It's always good to see TW200 videos, so keep up the good work. I have a mile or two on the TW myself. Since you're making this before you've mounted your 241, it's like saying the stock footpegs get the job done. Yeah, they do, but aren't upgraded ones better? The TW31 gets the job done, and I agree with Jim's comments, but an upgrade is just that, an upgrade. It can get so much better. The pegs can be upgraded, the seat can be upgraded, the suspension can be upgraded, the grips can be upgraded, the shift lever can be upgraded, etc. All are called "upgrades" for a reason...they make your riding experience better and more enjoyable than with what the manufacturer put on stock. I can't wait for the future vid where you explain how the 241 is most definitely an upgrade and a near perfect match for the TW200 in most riding conditions.
Hey, I've seen some of your videos! You've got some great stuff! You're right, they are all called upgrades for a reason and I'm not trying to take that away at all. But, with all the bad about the TW31 I was just trying to let people know that it isn't something that should keep them from getting the bike and that with proper tire care it can be something that they can still get out and enjoy. It's not the best tire for everything, that's true, but it still allows you to get out and have a good time. Thanks for commenting!! I really appreciate it!
I've had my TW200 for 8 months now. I've had 20 bikes before, but here's my take. I didn't know about the reputation of the front tire. I took it out with another TW rider and we hit the dirt. Let me say, I'm 230 lbs and on the aggressive scale of 1-10, I ride at about 8.5 max since I'm in my 50's now. I actually HATED the Trailwing in the dirt. I lowered the pressure to 12 front and 12 rear and things improved considerably but my front tended to wash out a lot, especially on hard dirt with light gravel/sand on it. My buddy had a Shinko and told me about the reputation and I told him I see why. I swapped to a Shinko SR241 and things got much better. HUGE difference in the dirt. I still run about 12 front and maybe more like 13 in the back now. I've also changed the rear springs and the fork springs to help things out, but if you ride primarily dirt, the original tire really is crap. If you are just putting around and just on flat trails or streets, the OEM tire is ok. Actually, the Trailwing is better on the street than the Shinko, but I didn't buy this bike for the street. Now that I have some actual miles on my TW, I think it's dialed in just right. Just to be clear, the Trailwing is probably a better street tire and if you're a not too aggressive rider and don't ride loose gravel much, it's probably fine. But if you push hard in the dirt, I think you should get something safer, like the Shinko.
Jim, thanks for the comment and for the detail you brought to the table! I have a new 241 in the garage but wanted to point out that this tire will get the job done if you want to just get out and ride. Like I mentioned in the video, there are some places that I am not very confident with the tire so I have bought the other to enhance the little more aggressive riding off road. Thanks again! Matt
I have the 244 Shinko tire on my bike and happened to love it quite a bit it does sound quite well in the rough terrain where I ride a lot and on the highway it does quite well as well. I have not tried the 241 yet but I might try that as my next tire to compare the two. But for now I can say I really like how the 244 Shinko Tire is off-road it's a little heavier than that 241 and I'm only 125 lb and it does quite well for me on single track and the off-road that I do that is quite quite off-road. I only do some back dirt roads, most of my riding is off in the trails
I been riding dirt motorcycles for over 30 years. I agree about running proper tire pressure for each type of riding conditions. Definitely run specified tire pressures on the street. But with off road conditions are very different, as there are so many types. On average, I Run 12 to 14 psi on rear & 14 to16 up front. Now they have air compressors that small, battery operated packs made by DeWalt & Milwaukee are the best. As ones that run off your bike battery may drain battery unless you keep bike running. Always Remember You Can Jump Start Bike KEY & KILL SWITCH ON, By Rolling Down Hill, Pull Clutch, SECOND Gear, Pop Clutch, As You Pop Down On Seat. With Small Air Compressor you can easily carry with you so you can change tire pressure on different types of terrain. I also suggest carrying: Large Can Of Fix-A-Flat. Flat On The Trail Is A Pain To Repair. This Will Hopefully Get You Back To Trailhead. If you are Hard Core Endurance Rider, Traveling, Carry: Spare Front Tube Can Work On Front Of Rear, Air Pump/Compressor/CO2 Cartridge Kits, Tire Irons, Tools Needed, Etc. Godspeed Your Journeys, Mr.T.
Sorry, I've watched so many of the videos I didn't realize I never subscribed, I just go a nice 05 tw200, currently have 4' of snow in northern NY so watching your videos Definitely keep me excited for spring, keep up the great job
Sweet!! Congrats on the new bike! That is a ton of snow, we don't have that here! Thanks for taking the time to watch the videos, I appreciate it! Also, thanks for the support! I've got more videos coming so hopefully they'll help hold over till spring!
Great video! I have 1100 mile on my 2021 and so far I have no complaints. I ride mainly paved back country roads and dirt roads. I haven’t really gone off road yet. For what I’ve done so far, it’s fine.
Hi Matt, I bought a new 2020 in June. I too like the tire on the street ok, but feel like it lacks a lot off road. I'm 60, and don't ride really aggressively. Where I live, (The panhandle of Texas) most of the dirt roads are caliche, and they vary from hard packed to loose sand on top and sometimes very slick even when dry. When they are wet, they are like ice. I haven't dumped it, but have come close several times wet and dry. I have experimented with different pressures, and have found that around 18psi works well for me off road. I weigh 225 Pounds. When I wear the original set out, I will probably replace the rear with a stock replacement, as I am happy with it, and more than likely try a different front. Thanks for your time doing your videos, and keep up the great work! Bill
Hey Bill! Thanks for the comment! I agree with you on all that you have said and I know that tire pressure does make a difference! I thought that I would run this tire until I couldn't any more but I really wanted to try the Shinko 241 to see if it lives up to the hype that I have seen! I'll be installing it soon and let you know how it goes! Thanks for watching, I really do appreciate it! Best Regards! Matt
Hey Matt love your videos and I’ve been a subscriber for a while now. I carry a small battery powered air compressor with me and find lowering tire pressure while in the dirt at low speeds really improves the feel of the death wing. You should try this in some of your least favourite conditions and let us know if you notice any appreciable difference. Thanks for taking the time to entertain us.
Hey Gary!! I have thought of taking a bicycle tire pump with me so that I can adjust the tire pressure. The video I posted today I did air down the tires a bit, but it got really squirrelly on me and found that I actually prefer a bit more pressure in the tires than less. But, I have been good with the stock tire so far! Thanks for sticking around and being part of the MOBStreet Originals, I really appreciate it!
I'm an old slow guy who lives in the desert, have yet to be on a paved road. I still have the OEM tires, run 15 PSI, and the front is ok, but the sand slappers get old. I've heard that the Shinko will help, and I need all the help I can get. After new year I may go for it. But as a side note, rocks suck for everybody!
Hey Brad, I'm like you and actually enjoy going slow and taking it easy. I've bought the Shinko 241 but wanted to get this out there before I swapped it over. Thanks for the watching and the support!
You waded into the burning pit of death wings :). Crazy controversy over this tire. It is what it is. Basic, fills Yamaha's requirements, and gets along for the most part. Still crazy happy that I upgraded to the 241 (which I run 10psi to 12psi by the way).
Sure did!! I knew that this was gonna upset some people, but like you said it gets along for the most part and that is really what I was trying to point out. I've got the 241 and looking forward to installing it! Did you do.anything to the handlebars? I might install some risers.
@@MOBStreet83 I installed Ken Gould's risers on some higher bars. Was worth the $35.00. I'm glad my bars weren't something crazy like ATV bars, or my electric cables wouldn't have reached. Control cables were fine, but I'm maxed out on the electric lines. I like the higher reach, but it changed the feel enough that I'm still getting used to the new position and keep playing with the position of my bars.
Very informative and accurate. I am 6'2 ,210 lbs.lanky build I have experience all of what you said and have started addressing handle bar height and placement along new front springs. The handle bar height changed many things but still a little fall out/ wash out always unexpected too. Springs should make better confidence but none in the tire , I'm shinko bound
Thanks for taking the time to watch and to comment, I really appreciate it! I have thought about doing the spring upgrade, I just haven't felt the need to do it yet. I do really like the shinko 241 that I have now though! I have been pretty impressed with the difference and for the cost I think it'll be one of my top choices from here on out! All the best!
@@MOBStreet83 I think you need springs and I would do the cartridge emulators. I don’t know your experience with dirt bikes, but a cartridge fork is unbelievably better than damping rods. I’ve watched a few videos on these bikes and read quite a bit about them. Super soft forks are a big complaint. Watching your videos, it’s easy to see that your forks are not keeping up with the terrain. Reminds me of the days when I started riding with a DT250. Absolutely horrible suspension. The last bike I had before the family was a CR500. What a Cadillac in the suspension department. We just picked up a 2021 for my daughter who is going to learn to ride on it. I took it for a ride and could not believe how crappy that front fork is. Absolutely horrible and no excuse from Yamaha on why they haven’t upgraded it. Don’t get me started on the rear brake. After I properly adjusted it, it was still disappointing. My ‘74 DT’s rear drum is better. Going to order the parts today myself.
The tire suddenly washing out at random I believe is the true reason the tire was coined that. The tire seems to have plenty of grip when all the sudden you fall to the ground.
That's what I am trying to figure out and that is why I caution to maintain a proper tire pressure. I know there are a lot of folks out there who have had the tire do that to them and I am not trying to take away from that at all. I just think that the proper pressure and tire care can help a lot. There are guys out there that have 10k miles on them and haven't had any issues.
Hey Matt. When I bought my new TW straight from dealer it had 35psi in both tires. Adj it as soon as I got home lol. Great content. Look forward to ur next one.
Wow, those were pumped!! I've got mine set at the 22 & 25 and have been happy so far! The next video will be out next week, thanks for watching, I really appreciate it!
Great video. That being said I was one of those viewers , the 90 something percent that didn’t subscribed that watch your videos. Lol Sorry , I do enjoy your videos and your opinions. I subscribed less ten a week ago after you answered a comment of mine. You have great content and you responded fast with good advice on my question regarding the tw and the crfl250 . Maybe you recall that? Anyway I’m a happy subscriber now. You can remove me off the 90 percentile. Lol. I have a new question. You mentioned you are over 200lbs plus gear. Did you change the shocks to handle the weight or is it stock? I plan on riding it with my children and that’ll raise our weight a tad over 200 plus gear. Id prefer not to have to make any modifications. Thanks you.
Thanks! I do remember and I am glad that I was able to help out! As far as suspension goes, I haven't changed anything yet. The stock setup has been great for me so far and I have had well over 300 lbs on the bike many times. I usually have my kids with me as well and they like to sit out on the rack that I have. The rack and the bike handle it all just fine. Again, I am not an overly aggressive rider so stock so far has been good! Thanks for watching and for subscribing!
I have the same tire but different size that came stock on my Suzuki DRZ 400. It actually works superb on the street. But the dirt performance is very sub par. You just have to watch how you ride in the dirt. I have almost 3000 miles on my tires and for the most part am happy with them, but I do mostly dirt road and pavement riding. Living in the Midwest, you don't have alot of off road options.......What area do you ride? It looks kinda like the high desert area.
That's good to hear!! I agree with you, I am mostly happy with the tire and there are only a few places that I have felt a bit uneasy with them. I live it Central Utah. We have a lot of the high desert and some pretty cool single track in the mountains! It's a good place to own a TW!
Good information. At 76 I put on about 500 miles on the stock. I had a fall in what they call moon dust in the Cascades. I also felt uncomfortable on rocky areas and gravel type terrain. I switched at 600 miles to the recommended aftermarket... I find on trail the 241 is better and the road fine. It may be mental but I like the 241 and I am 220 6’ thanks
The 241 is what I'm switching over to as well! Luckily I was able to make it for more than 2k miles on the tire without any major mishap. I'm looking forward to what the new tire will be like! Thanks for taking the time to comment, I appreciate it!
For off road, the TW31 has worked perfect for me, but like you, I'm not going for any speed records. Where I do have some problems with it is on the pavement at higher speed. There are a couple of curves I have to slow down just a little more than what should be needed to reduce the lean angle or else I feel the front tire walking out from under the bike... not what you want on curves lined with barbed wire fences and oak trees. It seems to depend on the road surface texture. A few weeks ago we lost another motorcyclist on one of those curves due to "failure to negotiate the curve". Also, sometimes between 55 and 60, the front end starts going unstable and begins going into a tank slapper, so I'm forced to roll off the throttle and settle it down. I have a TW203 to try later.
Those are some good points you bring up. I haven't had the bike in a sharp turn going those speeds so I haven't experienced that just yet. What tire pressure are you running when you're on the road? I have the Shinko 241 to try but let me know how that 203 works out!
@@MOBStreet83 I played with many different pressure combinations, and found 20 PSI front, and 22 PSI rear gave the best handling on pavement. For off road, the pressure didn't seem to make much difference, other than making coarse gravel a little less rough at the lower pressures. I've gone through long stretches of Florida sugar sand on the TW31, and never had any problem... I'm afraid that's where the 203 will be a problem, but it just means I have to take some alternate routes to certain places. I'll see if I can upload a short video clip.
The DeathWing is solidly ADEQUATE, but inferior to other tire options when doing hard turns on wet pavement due to less surface area of the knobs in contact with the ground. If you take a hard turn on slick, wet pavement, there's a fair chance you will drop the bike, especially if you have less experience riding a T-Dub and if the tire pressure is too high. In most situations, you're still better off with a Shinko 241 on the front end than a DeathWing.
I think that is true for all open tread tires. All tires respond differently in wet conditions, some are made for it others aren't but I understand the open tread design. I am a fan of the 241 as well! Thanks for the insight!
I Love the content! and the subject I have some insight I would like to share. I have been riding bikes primarily off-road, but on-road as well for about 12 years and within the last year put 4,000 miles on the Trail wing and my opinion is that the Trail wing is not an ideal tire, but is capable of being a dual-sport tire. the issues people have are likely related to running too high of pressure and pushing the tire to its limits the fact is it's a good tire for soft farmland and aired down on moderate trails but it isn't a motocross tire and it's not exactly soft compound either so not great on-road or off-road. when you start pushing its limits on one or the other, you are taking a risk, this is a risk that dual-sport tires always will pose to some degree because just for instance say you have a 50/50 tire you're making a compromise in both on and off-road riding performance so you can ride both of them with lesser than ideal performance but getting the job done. I have pushed it in the windies down the local mountain on dry tarmac and kept up with other street bikes, however, it is not ideal and you can feel that. I have gone on some very extreme terrain up hills and down hills, over big rocks, gravel, sand and in the snow. and found it is much better with side-to-side traction than forward and backward traction because the tread pattern is formed almost like an older dune buggy front tire in the sense the tread nobs are long and can function almost like a rudder for lateral traction on soft terrain or sand. that's why my opinion is it's probably best in soft terrain and aired down so that the tire can form around the surface on trails I run about 15 psi and it does well for me keep in mind I'm a featherweight at 135-140lbs and The 18-22psi is probably better for heavier riders though it's good to have some tire flex on trails which has to be matched for your body weight and riding style terrain etc. I know a lot of people like to test the limits and show what the TW200 can do and for those people the stock front tire is not ideal in my opinion. and actually, most tires with similar tread patterns have not been ideal in my opinion. To sum up this long comment I Think anyone buying the TW200 shouldn't be afraid to use the stock front trail wing and decide within its span if it works for them. Though if you are planned on doing aggressive riding you need a tire geared more towards that riding style so that you aren't risking it for the biscuit. Hope this helps someone and happy riding!
Well, pretty sure I don't have anything to add to that except, well put! Thanks for taking the time to watch and to give us your opinion and advice on the tire. I like what you said. Thanks for the support!
@@forestlehnerd2308 You Bet! I had a lot of fun with that 241 video. That tire has been the best tire I have used on the TW so far. Here is where I found the best price on them: www.rockymountainatvmc.com/tires-and-wheels/shinko-sr241-series-trials-tire-p?ref=1033& I have the Dunlop K180's on my 2021 TW and that review video is in the works.
I had Trail Wings on my DRZ400. And DR200. Hated them, they slip on wet streets, and wash out in the dirt. Front 21, rear 18, bought Dunlops 605’s, just my preference
I really don't think it is a tire problem more than it is a tire pressure situation with folks. My 2003 has the stock tire on it and my son can corner faster with that than I can with my Dunlops. He flies with that tire on the bike and it grips good for him.
I wonder if ill be able to give away my 3000 mile tw31 when i take it off, they are that hated. It inspires no confidence on road or off for me. I cannot wait to replace it. I also want a +1"-2" swingarm for hillclimbing, washboard roads etc.
I bet you'll be able to give it away to someone. For those who don't like it there are just as many that do! It is a good little all around tire but it isn't the best tire. If you find a new swingarm let us know! That would be cool to see!
@@MOBStreet83 i plan to just fab a new swingarm out of 2 stock ones cut and welded together, the longer ones from japan are way too long for what i want.
I rode 2500 miles with mine. I went all over the place and only had a few times I wasn't totally confident. Air pressure is a must on that tire for sure.
I admit it. It was me. I have been watching but I have not subscribed. I am a bad man. I have been interested in the TW200 and thinking about buying one. Trying to get a feel for the pros and cons before I take the plunge. I will be on the street more than off road. Some say a 47 rear sprocket others say 44 for my needs. Okay I will shut up and subscribe.
Hey, thanks for subbing! I just found it entertaining that I had more non-subs watching than subs. How fast are you planning on going on the street? I think a 47 would be good enough for most everything but the freeway. I was able to hit 66mph with a 52 tooth on my bike.
I've owned two TW's, rode on and offroad with both and I don't know what the hell this front tire hubub is all about. How long have they been using these trail wings? Pretty sure forever... and this was never an issue till recently? 🤔 I've pushed one of these bikes at 60mph so hard through an extended curve WITH a passenger (I was a 17 yo incredibly stupid stoner) that I could hear and feel the tires smearing sideways but guess what... no wash out! I'd be willing to bet 90% of this hubub is ignorant ass newbies who straight grabbed their front brake or overused it against the rear brake all together. People can't take responsibility for their own stupidity and/or ignorance these days! You don't make abrupt decisions or movements when riding and thats what it takes to wash this tire out. I never heard ANY of this nonsense on the big forum the entire time I owned my '07 but I do know that people have only gotten dumber this day and age.
I think a lot of it is user related. I agree that knowing how to apply your front brake makes a big difference and abrupt grabbing of the brake in a turn is a big culprit. I ran that stock tire for almost 2500 miles in varying terrain and didn't have an issue with washout. I also think that front and rear tire pressure play a huge part. This is one of the most overlooked maintenance issues on motorcycles. They have specific pressures that need to be followed. Thanks for the comment!
This is about views vs subscribers. Are you able to tell how long the average viewer watched the video? Kind of interested in this model but the echo in your video caused by the open garage caused me to stop after a few minutes and move on.
Funny, I opened the garage because everyone was telling me that would stop the echo. It didn't. Yeah, the RUclips analytics lets me know at what point of the movie people drop off. I bought a microphone and it worked great for a bit, then it died and my computer died so this video was all done with my cell phone.
@@MOBStreet83 It looks like it would be a great apocalyptic vehicle. Extra gas container strapped to the rear, 40ch CB radio on the handle bars with whip antenna. Crossbow at the ready.
Haha I just subbed, but I have the same problem, 95 percent of the people are new, amd from the 40k I have, 1k watch my videos the rest are just dead youtubers haha
Thanks for subbing, I appreciate it! You're channel looks awesome with all the info you have on all those different bikes! Hopefully some day I will have that many subscribers! It's funny though, after I mentioned that in this video I have so many more of my subscribers watching now! It's awesome!
It's always good to see TW200 videos, so keep up the good work. I have a mile or two on the TW myself. Since you're making this before you've mounted your 241, it's like saying the stock footpegs get the job done. Yeah, they do, but aren't upgraded ones better? The TW31 gets the job done, and I agree with Jim's comments, but an upgrade is just that, an upgrade. It can get so much better. The pegs can be upgraded, the seat can be upgraded, the suspension can be upgraded, the grips can be upgraded, the shift lever can be upgraded, etc. All are called "upgrades" for a reason...they make your riding experience better and more enjoyable than with what the manufacturer put on stock. I can't wait for the future vid where you explain how the 241 is most definitely an upgrade and a near perfect match for the TW200 in most riding conditions.
Hey, I've seen some of your videos! You've got some great stuff! You're right, they are all called upgrades for a reason and I'm not trying to take that away at all. But, with all the bad about the TW31 I was just trying to let people know that it isn't something that should keep them from getting the bike and that with proper tire care it can be something that they can still get out and enjoy. It's not the best tire for everything, that's true, but it still allows you to get out and have a good time. Thanks for commenting!! I really appreciate it!
Factory skid plates absolute trash.
I've had my TW200 for 8 months now. I've had 20 bikes before, but here's my take. I didn't know about the reputation of the front tire. I took it out with another TW rider and we hit the dirt. Let me say, I'm 230 lbs and on the aggressive scale of 1-10, I ride at about 8.5 max since I'm in my 50's now. I actually HATED the Trailwing in the dirt. I lowered the pressure to 12 front and 12 rear and things improved considerably but my front tended to wash out a lot, especially on hard dirt with light gravel/sand on it. My buddy had a Shinko and told me about the reputation and I told him I see why. I swapped to a Shinko SR241 and things got much better. HUGE difference in the dirt. I still run about 12 front and maybe more like 13 in the back now. I've also changed the rear springs and the fork springs to help things out, but if you ride primarily dirt, the original tire really is crap. If you are just putting around and just on flat trails or streets, the OEM tire is ok. Actually, the Trailwing is better on the street than the Shinko, but I didn't buy this bike for the street. Now that I have some actual miles on my TW, I think it's dialed in just right.
Just to be clear, the Trailwing is probably a better street tire and if you're a not too aggressive rider and don't ride loose gravel much, it's probably fine. But if you push hard in the dirt, I think you should get something safer, like the Shinko.
Great comment...
Jim, thanks for the comment and for the detail you brought to the table! I have a new 241 in the garage but wanted to point out that this tire will get the job done if you want to just get out and ride. Like I mentioned in the video, there are some places that I am not very confident with the tire so I have bought the other to enhance the little more aggressive riding off road. Thanks again! Matt
I have the 244 Shinko tire on my bike and happened to love it quite a bit it does sound quite well in the rough terrain where I ride a lot and on the highway it does quite well as well. I have not tried the 241 yet but I might try that as my next tire to compare the two. But for now I can say I really like how the 244 Shinko Tire is off-road it's a little heavier than that 241 and I'm only 125 lb and it does quite well for me on single track and the off-road that I do that is quite quite off-road. I only do some back dirt roads, most of my riding is off in the trails
nice. what size 241 did you install? i ordered the 241 size 4x18, but was really debating between the 4x18 and 5x18. thoughts?
@@TheGearDudes I got the 4.00-18
I been riding dirt motorcycles for over 30 years. I agree about running proper tire pressure for each type of riding conditions. Definitely run specified tire pressures on the street. But with off road conditions are very different, as there are so many types. On average, I Run 12 to 14 psi on rear & 14 to16 up front. Now they have air compressors that small, battery operated packs made by DeWalt & Milwaukee are the best. As ones that run off your bike battery may drain battery unless you keep bike running. Always Remember You Can Jump Start Bike KEY & KILL SWITCH ON, By Rolling Down Hill, Pull Clutch, SECOND Gear, Pop Clutch, As You Pop Down On Seat. With Small Air Compressor you can easily carry with you so you can change tire pressure on different types of terrain. I also suggest carrying: Large Can Of Fix-A-Flat. Flat On The Trail Is A Pain To Repair. This Will Hopefully Get You Back To Trailhead. If you are Hard Core Endurance Rider, Traveling, Carry: Spare Front Tube Can Work On Front Of Rear, Air Pump/Compressor/CO2 Cartridge Kits, Tire Irons, Tools Needed, Etc. Godspeed Your Journeys, Mr.T.
Way good info Mr. T! I appreciate all the input.
Sorry, I've watched so many of the videos I didn't realize I never subscribed, I just go a nice 05 tw200, currently have 4' of snow in northern NY so watching your videos Definitely keep me excited for spring, keep up the great job
Sweet!! Congrats on the new bike! That is a ton of snow, we don't have that here! Thanks for taking the time to watch the videos, I appreciate it! Also, thanks for the support! I've got more videos coming so hopefully they'll help hold over till spring!
Great video! I have 1100 mile on my 2021 and so far I have no complaints. I ride mainly paved back country roads and dirt roads. I haven’t really gone off road yet. For what I’ve done so far, it’s fine.
Dang, that's a good start on Mike's for a new bike! Nice work! Thanks for watching!
Hi Matt, I bought a new 2020 in June. I too like the tire on the street ok, but feel like it lacks a lot off road. I'm 60, and don't ride really aggressively. Where I live, (The panhandle of Texas) most of the dirt roads are caliche, and they vary from hard packed to loose sand on top and sometimes very slick even when dry. When they are wet, they are like ice.
I haven't dumped it, but have come close several times wet and dry. I have experimented with different pressures, and have found that around 18psi works well for me off road. I weigh 225 Pounds. When I wear the original set out, I will probably replace the rear with a stock replacement, as I am happy with it, and more than likely try a different front.
Thanks for your time doing your videos, and keep up the great work!
Bill
Hey Bill! Thanks for the comment! I agree with you on all that you have said and I know that tire pressure does make a difference! I thought that I would run this tire until I couldn't any more but I really wanted to try the Shinko 241 to see if it lives up to the hype that I have seen! I'll be installing it soon and let you know how it goes! Thanks for watching, I really do appreciate it! Best Regards! Matt
Hey Matt love your videos and I’ve been a subscriber for a while now. I carry a small battery powered air compressor with me and find lowering tire pressure while in the dirt at low speeds really improves the feel of the death wing. You should try this in some of your least favourite conditions and let us know if you notice any appreciable difference. Thanks for taking the time to entertain us.
Hey Gary!! I have thought of taking a bicycle tire pump with me so that I can adjust the tire pressure. The video I posted today I did air down the tires a bit, but it got really squirrelly on me and found that I actually prefer a bit more pressure in the tires than less. But, I have been good with the stock tire so far! Thanks for sticking around and being part of the MOBStreet Originals, I really appreciate it!
I'm an old slow guy who lives in the desert, have yet to be on a paved road. I still have the OEM tires, run 15 PSI, and the front is ok, but the sand slappers get old. I've heard that the Shinko will help, and I need all the help I can get. After new year I may go for it. But as a side note, rocks suck for everybody!
Hey Brad, I'm like you and actually enjoy going slow and taking it easy. I've bought the Shinko 241 but wanted to get this out there before I swapped it over. Thanks for the watching and the support!
What do you mean by sand slappers?
You waded into the burning pit of death wings :). Crazy controversy over this tire. It is what it is. Basic, fills Yamaha's requirements, and gets along for the most part. Still crazy happy that I upgraded to the 241 (which I run 10psi to 12psi by the way).
Sure did!! I knew that this was gonna upset some people, but like you said it gets along for the most part and that is really what I was trying to point out. I've got the 241 and looking forward to installing it! Did you do.anything to the handlebars? I might install some risers.
@@MOBStreet83 I installed Ken Gould's risers on some higher bars. Was worth the $35.00. I'm glad my bars weren't something crazy like ATV bars, or my electric cables wouldn't have reached. Control cables were fine, but I'm maxed out on the electric lines. I like the higher reach, but it changed the feel enough that I'm still getting used to the new position and keep playing with the position of my bars.
Very informative and accurate. I am 6'2 ,210 lbs.lanky build I have experience all of what you said and have started addressing handle bar height and placement along new front springs. The handle bar height changed many things but still a little fall out/ wash out always unexpected too. Springs should make better confidence but none in the tire , I'm shinko bound
Thanks for taking the time to watch and to comment, I really appreciate it! I have thought about doing the spring upgrade, I just haven't felt the need to do it yet. I do really like the shinko 241 that I have now though! I have been pretty impressed with the difference and for the cost I think it'll be one of my top choices from here on out! All the best!
@@MOBStreet83 I think you need springs and I would do the cartridge emulators. I don’t know your experience with dirt bikes, but a cartridge fork is unbelievably better than damping rods.
I’ve watched a few videos on these bikes and read quite a bit about them. Super soft forks are a big complaint. Watching your videos, it’s easy to see that your forks are not keeping up with the terrain. Reminds me of the days when I started riding with a DT250. Absolutely horrible suspension. The last bike I had before the family was a CR500.
What a Cadillac in the suspension department.
We just picked up a 2021 for my daughter who is going to learn to ride on it. I took it for a ride and could not believe how crappy that front fork is. Absolutely horrible and no excuse from Yamaha on why they haven’t upgraded it. Don’t get me started on the rear brake. After I properly adjusted it, it was still disappointing. My ‘74 DT’s rear drum is better.
Going to order the parts today myself.
I also totally agree with you Matt. Thank you for the quality content and I' am already subscribed.
Thanks for chiming in, I appreciate it! Thank you for following along and being part of the channel!!
The tire suddenly washing out at random I believe is the true reason the tire was coined that. The tire seems to have plenty of grip when all the sudden you fall to the ground.
That's what I am trying to figure out and that is why I caution to maintain a proper tire pressure. I know there are a lot of folks out there who have had the tire do that to them and I am not trying to take away from that at all. I just think that the proper pressure and tire care can help a lot. There are guys out there that have 10k miles on them and haven't had any issues.
Hey Matt. When I bought my new TW straight from dealer it had 35psi in both tires. Adj it as soon as I got home lol. Great content. Look forward to ur next one.
Wow, those were pumped!! I've got mine set at the 22 & 25 and have been happy so far! The next video will be out next week, thanks for watching, I really appreciate it!
I was about to ask what you dropped them to.... I just got one yesterday, going to check my psi on both tires tomorrow. Thx for the shared info!
Great video. That being said I was one of those viewers , the 90 something percent that didn’t subscribed that watch your videos. Lol Sorry , I do enjoy your videos and your opinions. I subscribed less ten a week ago after you answered a comment of mine. You have great content and you responded fast with good advice on my question regarding the tw and the crfl250 . Maybe you recall that? Anyway I’m a happy subscriber now. You can remove me off the 90 percentile. Lol. I have a new question. You mentioned you are over 200lbs plus gear. Did you change the shocks to handle the weight or is it stock? I plan on riding it with my children and that’ll raise our weight a tad over 200 plus gear. Id prefer not to have to make any modifications. Thanks you.
Thanks! I do remember and I am glad that I was able to help out! As far as suspension goes, I haven't changed anything yet. The stock setup has been great for me so far and I have had well over 300 lbs on the bike many times. I usually have my kids with me as well and they like to sit out on the rack that I have. The rack and the bike handle it all just fine. Again, I am not an overly aggressive rider so stock so far has been good! Thanks for watching and for subscribing!
I have the same tire but different size that came stock on my Suzuki DRZ 400. It actually works superb on the street. But the dirt performance is very sub par. You just have to watch how you ride in the dirt. I have almost 3000 miles on my tires and for the most part am happy with them, but I do mostly dirt road and pavement riding. Living in the Midwest, you don't have alot of off road options.......What area do you ride? It looks kinda like the high desert area.
That's good to hear!! I agree with you, I am mostly happy with the tire and there are only a few places that I have felt a bit uneasy with them. I live it Central Utah. We have a lot of the high desert and some pretty cool single track in the mountains! It's a good place to own a TW!
Good information. At 76 I put on about 500 miles on the stock. I had a fall in what they call moon dust in the Cascades. I also felt uncomfortable on rocky areas and gravel type terrain. I switched at 600 miles to the recommended aftermarket... I find on trail the 241 is better and the road fine. It may be mental but I like the 241 and I am 220 6’ thanks
The 241 is what I'm switching over to as well! Luckily I was able to make it for more than 2k miles on the tire without any major mishap. I'm looking forward to what the new tire will be like! Thanks for taking the time to comment, I appreciate it!
Great explanation, learning a lot from your channel.
Sweet!! Glad to hear it Orlando! There is more to come all the time.
For off road, the TW31 has worked perfect for me, but like you, I'm not going for any speed records. Where I do have some problems with it is on the pavement at higher speed. There are a couple of curves I have to slow down just a little more than what should be needed to reduce the lean angle or else I feel the front tire walking out from under the bike... not what you want on curves lined with barbed wire fences and oak trees. It seems to depend on the road surface texture. A few weeks ago we lost another motorcyclist on one of those curves due to "failure to negotiate the curve".
Also, sometimes between 55 and 60, the front end starts going unstable and begins going into a tank slapper, so I'm forced to roll off the throttle and settle it down. I have a TW203 to try later.
Those are some good points you bring up. I haven't had the bike in a sharp turn going those speeds so I haven't experienced that just yet. What tire pressure are you running when you're on the road? I have the Shinko 241 to try but let me know how that 203 works out!
@@MOBStreet83 I played with many different pressure combinations, and found 20 PSI front, and 22 PSI rear gave the best handling on pavement. For off road, the pressure didn't seem to make much difference, other than making coarse gravel a little less rough at the lower pressures. I've gone through long stretches of Florida sugar sand on the TW31, and never had any problem... I'm afraid that's where the 203 will be a problem, but it just means I have to take some alternate routes to certain places. I'll see if I can upload a short video clip.
The DeathWing is solidly ADEQUATE, but inferior to other tire options when doing hard turns on wet pavement due to less surface area of the knobs in contact with the ground. If you take a hard turn on slick, wet pavement, there's a fair chance you will drop the bike, especially if you have less experience riding a T-Dub and if the tire pressure is too high. In most situations, you're still better off with a Shinko 241 on the front end than a DeathWing.
I think that is true for all open tread tires. All tires respond differently in wet conditions, some are made for it others aren't but I understand the open tread design. I am a fan of the 241 as well! Thanks for the insight!
💯 Agree with you Matt, enjoy your content!
Thanks for taking the time to watch, I'm really glad you like it! All the best! Matt
I Love the content! and the subject I have some insight I would like to share. I have been riding bikes primarily off-road, but on-road as well for about 12 years and within the last year put 4,000 miles on the Trail wing and my opinion is that the Trail wing is not an ideal tire, but is capable of being a dual-sport tire. the issues people have are likely related to running too high of pressure and pushing the tire to its limits the fact is it's a good tire for soft farmland and aired down on moderate trails but it isn't a motocross tire and it's not exactly soft compound either so not great on-road or off-road. when you start pushing its limits on one or the other, you are taking a risk, this is a risk that dual-sport tires always will pose to some degree because just for instance say you have a 50/50 tire you're making a compromise in both on and off-road riding performance so you can ride both of them with lesser than ideal performance but getting the job done. I have pushed it in the windies down the local mountain on dry tarmac and kept up with other street bikes, however, it is not ideal and you can feel that. I have gone on some very extreme terrain up hills and down hills, over big rocks, gravel, sand and in the snow. and found it is much better with side-to-side traction than forward and backward traction because the tread pattern is formed almost like an older dune buggy front tire in the sense the tread nobs are long and can function almost like a rudder for lateral traction on soft terrain or sand. that's why my opinion is it's probably best in soft terrain and aired down so that the tire can form around the surface on trails I run about 15 psi and it does well for me keep in mind I'm a featherweight at 135-140lbs and The 18-22psi is probably better for heavier riders though it's good to have some tire flex on trails which has to be matched for your body weight and riding style terrain etc. I know a lot of people like to test the limits and show what the TW200 can do and for those people the stock front tire is not ideal in my opinion. and actually, most tires with similar tread patterns have not been ideal in my opinion.
To sum up this long comment I Think anyone buying the TW200 shouldn't be afraid to use the stock front trail wing and decide within its span if it works for them. Though if you are planned on doing aggressive riding you need a tire geared more towards that riding style so that you aren't risking it for the biscuit. Hope this helps someone and happy riding!
Well, pretty sure I don't have anything to add to that except, well put! Thanks for taking the time to watch and to give us your opinion and advice on the tire. I like what you said. Thanks for the support!
@@MOBStreet83Thank You! and also thank you for the video on the 241after your review I'm gonna be getting one and testing it out for myself.
@@forestlehnerd2308 You Bet! I had a lot of fun with that 241 video. That tire has been the best tire I have used on the TW so far. Here is where I found the best price on them: www.rockymountainatvmc.com/tires-and-wheels/shinko-sr241-series-trials-tire-p?ref=1033&
I have the Dunlop K180's on my 2021 TW and that review video is in the works.
@@MOBStreet83 Awesome thank you and I'll be following and be sure to watch that video aswell!
I had Trail Wings on my DRZ400. And DR200. Hated them, they slip on wet streets, and wash out in the dirt. Front 21, rear 18, bought Dunlops 605’s, just my preference
I haven't used the 605's yet. I do know that most the guys at RMATV were huge fans of the 606's. I'll look into other options.
I will have to look into this. I just bought a 2024 on the 19th of October. Why does Yamaha not address this problem?
I really don't think it is a tire problem more than it is a tire pressure situation with folks. My 2003 has the stock tire on it and my son can corner faster with that than I can with my Dunlops. He flies with that tire on the bike and it grips good for him.
I just picked up a 2021...I watched this with much attention. Thx!
Nice!! Congrats on the new bike! I was looking pretty hard at the 2021's but since no one had them in stock I kept my 2019!
I'm already subscribed 🤣
Thanks for subscribing! I so those analytics and just thought I would remind those who like Tdubs to follow along! All the Best! Matt
i subbed bro!!!
Sweet! Thank You, I appreciate it!
2 weeks & the deathwing came off. Cant be crashing that much.
I had 2500 miles on my first stock tire. I found tire pressure was a massive part of it.
@@MOBStreet83 Slow turns in loose stuff put me on the ground WAY too much. New Kenda stopped that nonsense.
I wonder if ill be able to give away my 3000 mile tw31 when i take it off, they are that hated. It inspires no confidence on road or off for me. I cannot wait to replace it. I also want a +1"-2" swingarm for hillclimbing, washboard roads etc.
I bet you'll be able to give it away to someone. For those who don't like it there are just as many that do! It is a good little all around tire but it isn't the best tire. If you find a new swingarm let us know! That would be cool to see!
@@MOBStreet83 i plan to just fab a new swingarm out of 2 stock ones cut and welded together, the longer ones from japan are way too long for what i want.
I just don't understand why they such a crappy front tire on a stock TW???
I rode 2500 miles with mine. I went all over the place and only had a few times I wasn't totally confident. Air pressure is a must on that tire for sure.
recommend to watch at x1,5 speed
Note to self..........record at 1.5 the speed.
I always watch stuff faster. That way I can watch more videos 😂
I admit it. It was me. I have been watching but I have not subscribed. I am a bad man. I have been interested in the TW200 and thinking about buying one. Trying to get a feel for the pros and cons before I take the plunge. I will be on the street more than off road. Some say a 47 rear sprocket others say 44 for my needs. Okay I will shut up and subscribe.
Hey, thanks for subbing! I just found it entertaining that I had more non-subs watching than subs. How fast are you planning on going on the street? I think a 47 would be good enough for most everything but the freeway. I was able to hit 66mph with a 52 tooth on my bike.
Subscribed Yah
Thanks much!
I've owned two TW's, rode on and offroad with both and I don't know what the hell this front tire hubub is all about. How long have they been using these trail wings? Pretty sure forever... and this was never an issue till recently? 🤔 I've pushed one of these bikes at 60mph so hard through an extended curve WITH a passenger (I was a 17 yo incredibly stupid stoner) that I could hear and feel the tires smearing sideways but guess what... no wash out! I'd be willing to bet 90% of this hubub is ignorant ass newbies who straight grabbed their front brake or overused it against the rear brake all together. People can't take responsibility for their own stupidity and/or ignorance these days! You don't make abrupt decisions or movements when riding and thats what it takes to wash this tire out. I never heard ANY of this nonsense on the big forum the entire time I owned my '07 but I do know that people have only gotten dumber this day and age.
I think a lot of it is user related. I agree that knowing how to apply your front brake makes a big difference and abrupt grabbing of the brake in a turn is a big culprit. I ran that stock tire for almost 2500 miles in varying terrain and didn't have an issue with washout. I also think that front and rear tire pressure play a huge part. This is one of the most overlooked maintenance issues on motorcycles. They have specific pressures that need to be followed. Thanks for the comment!
This is about views vs subscribers. Are you able to tell how long the average viewer watched the video? Kind of interested in this model but the echo in your video caused by the open garage caused me to stop after a few minutes and move on.
Funny, I opened the garage because everyone was telling me that would stop the echo. It didn't. Yeah, the RUclips analytics lets me know at what point of the movie people drop off. I bought a microphone and it worked great for a bit, then it died and my computer died so this video was all done with my cell phone.
@@MOBStreet83 It looks like it would be a great apocalyptic vehicle. Extra gas container strapped to the rear, 40ch CB radio on the handle bars with whip antenna. Crossbow at the ready.
You might explain to folks that when they subscribe it is free.
That is a good point......I will do that from now on! Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it.
First. lol hey so you should get another TW for your wife to ride
I'm working on it! They aren't here at the dealer yet.
Haha I just subbed, but I have the same problem, 95 percent of the people are new, amd from the 40k I have, 1k watch my videos the rest are just dead youtubers haha
Thanks for subbing, I appreciate it! You're channel looks awesome with all the info you have on all those different bikes! Hopefully some day I will have that many subscribers! It's funny though, after I mentioned that in this video I have so many more of my subscribers watching now! It's awesome!