How Much DEX Would Spider-Man Have? | Baldur's Gate 3
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- Welcome back, Travelers! Today we're going to take a look at what a 20 DEX character might look like, as well as figuring out how much DEX Spider-Man would have if he were in DnD or BG3!
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I wanna show up to a table with this character, and look a DM dead in the eyes. "Yeah, I rolled these naturally. It was very lucky."
Just imagine playing as lore accurate Spider-Man in bg3. He solos that campaign so hard it isn't even funny.
It would be like a Gloom Stalker solo run but instead of killing everyone in sight, they're all just webbed up.
@@PanicRolling Just as soon as they let him spider-climb on walls and ceilings.
D'ya think Lolth would be worshipping HIM!?
Or just really quietly doing lots of lustful scrying 😵💫 🕸️ 😂
@@Wraithing that explains why Peter could never get a win in the romance department Lolth Has been using divine power to sabotage him the whole time. So that she could have him for herself
@@sharksam8583 Yup. We need that comic book series now! 😁
1 DEX: tries to drink from a glass and water drools down the side.
20 DEX: successfully pees against the wind.
Successfully pees into someone else's glass of water, which they are currently drooling down the side.
Spiderman is what happens when you're not trying to make a supersoldier and then accidentally make a supersoldier.
Are you referring to his creators or whomever experimented on those spiders?
@@Lordmewtwo151 scientist man, scientists. Everyone after Captain American tried to craft their own version of a super soldier, they all failed. However many years later, "did you hear about this kid from Queens that dresses up in spandex" to look like a spider and he's able to perform feats greater than what Steve Rodger's did on the regular.
@@mileslugo6430Playing a Fighter/Monk in BG3 now, & I justify the Strength Elixirs as his Super Soldier Serum, he just has to drink it every day.
@@mileslugo6430but the whole point is that they were trying to make super soldiers with the spiders. Well, they are in like 90% of continuities at least
"spiderman failing a dex roll" buddy, with a bonus of 25, the lowest he can roll is 26. even on a critical fail, he's still hitting higher than most characters can get on a good day.
Sounds about right.
Too bad that many DM have house rules where if you get a nat 1, you fail regardless of bonus or proficiencies.
@@LoboGuara5bruxaria i remember him mentioning in the video something about a legendary action where if he does fail, he can just say "no i didn't"
I would honestly rule it as him having something similar to reliable talent when it comes to dex rolls lol if he rolls low enough, it just overrides to a higher roll
@@kurtismay1325 this is probably the best way. His powers have been tied to his emotions in multiple stories, so he IS capable of having a bad day and getting hit by nonsense he would normally dodge.
I'd say he for sure can't roll lower than 15, and possibly even 20.
The interesting thing about daredevil and his perception is that it is well within D&D. Because blindsight, while rare, is a thing in that game. Spiderman is above and beyond in perception even when considering blindsight.
Yeh they are both very high on Wisdom checks also lol! And then of course INT is Spider-Man's best stat...he's so friggin broken.
@@PanicRolling yeah. Daredevil is probably a good 20 wis character example as well. And traditional Monk example.
@@PanicRolling Spider-Man: Brokenly high Dexterity and high perception. Daredevil: Brokenly high perception and high dexterity.
But then Daredevil's strength is like, 14 or something, so Spidey eclipses him pretty easily.
This is honestly why I put him next to Nightwing for comparison. I think a fight between DD and Nightwing would be awesome and almost as evenly matched as you can get, and I think they both get absolutely stomped by an enraged Spider-Man.
@@PanicRolling Well, there is a Death Battle between Nightwing and Daredevil if you're interested
Honestly if we are going try to keep Spider-Man’s DEX at 30, then he should also always have Advantage because of his Spider Sense.
I would actually equate Spidey's Spider-Sense less to a high perception and more to a sort of built-in blindsight, though it depends on which spidey we're talking. Some media describes it as the way spiders can use fine hairs on their body to detect changes in airflow, while others literally just describe it as like a mystical force, so its definitely up to interpretation
Yep absolutely. The way Marvel does multiverse nonsense every other week, you could explain any minor or major variations by saying they are from a different dimension.
It's a cop out, but if you can look past that part...totally viable.
Spidey would also basically have the equivalence of elven accuracy with spider sense when it comes to dex and perception rolls. Spider sense is basically multi-feature ability.
If leaning towards the mystical side, I’d say it’s nearly identical to the 9th level spell Foresight. Which is saying something about how powerful he is
You could have infinite dexterity and still slip on the ice surfaces one of your teammates created at the worst time.
Yep. That's one of those rolls where it might say 5%, but it's 95%.
@@PanicRollingAlso wanted to say this was a great video. Spider-Man has some ludicrous speed feats like catching a bullet in his hand while actually dying due to sickness and being fast enough to web up a gun after the trigger has been pulled. He tends to be one of the last people standing in huge fights for a reason.
Oh yeh. If Pete was bloodlusted, there are not many people I'd bet on over him.
What if spider man had the rogue skill where he can't roll less than 10 when dealing with dex checks.
Spiderman actually breaks every single attribute...except arguably charisma.
Have you seen Mary Jane, Gwen, and Black Cat?
His CHA might not be maxed, but I'd say he's doing ok 😄
It's the Parker luck that causes the Nat 1 rolls, not his Charisma lol
Nah, Spiderman has plenty high charisma. The problem is his luck stat.
...guys...all I said is that he doesn't BREAK charisma and even that's arguable. Like he's not got mindcontrol levels of charm in most incarnations.
...depending on the incarnation, he's depicted through his environment as socially awkward in quite a few. An outright loser in others. Yeah...that clashes with the girls he keeps attracting, but there's superhero logic for you.
That said...I remember dimly that there was an alternate reality version of Peter that was fabulously wealthy and wildly popular...so that one would probably have 20 at least...also really hard to tell what Spiderman can do, since it's kind of canon that there's near infinite versions?
I do agree however...peter has just about the second worst luck stat in superhero comics.
20 Charisma is not a break, sure.
But his permanent 60% chance to set his luck to -1 for a short time is sure a problem.
"What is his dex stat?"
The dm with the homebrew boss: *Yes*
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9:30 Imaginary Axis made a calculation on Spider-man's lift power. In one of the older comics he was capable to momentairly lift and crawl out of aprox. 50+ metric tonnes of rock and steel. Admittedly, this was the biggest example of calculable feat and it was the a strain to his absolute limits at the time. And he performed this in his late teens or at the verge of his twenties, so Spidey still had some room to grow even stronger.
So yes, Spider-man is a lot stronger than most ppl give him credit for. And durable. Peter literally rolls with the punches of normal humans solely to not break their wrists. Or so the story goes.
Yeh I've seen a few instances of buildings collapsing on him, or him jumping in there to protect someone else.
I definitely want that guy on my team.
People don't give Spider-Man the credit he deserves in the strength department because 9.8 out of 10 times Spidey is holding back his strength so that he doesn't accidentally kill everyone he touches.
Dexterity is definitely Spidey's key attribute score, and as you pointed out, his strength score is also clearly above 20, but he's also really high on ALL his stats.
Peter Parker is canonically one of the smartest people in the Marvel universe. He's a certified supergenius who builds all his own tech and has a cutting edge understanding of every field from molecular biology to particle physics, so his INT score is probably as high as or even higher than his STR.
His CON score is at least complementary to his strength score, since he is shown to be able to take a serious beating. He can't just throw a car, he can have one thrown at him and keep fighting.
His CHA score is also really high, though probably not above 20. He makes constant use of Vicious Mockery in battle, to great effect. His constant quipping reliably gets under his enemies' skin and keeps them off center.
Really the only stat he has that might be in the normal range is Wisdom, and...well...he's from Queens, so at least he has street smarts.
Yeh this is one of the challenges of trying to stat superheroes lol. They're each like 4 or 5 classes stapled together.
His luck would also be in the negatives potentially haha
Spiderman could be as well as a lv 20 Monk with 26 Strength, 30 Dexterity and 30 Wisdom, with expertise in athletic, acrobatic, insight and perception. Which would make his acrobatic, insight and perception check a +22, which is not that far off from +25. Monk also have Evasion feature which would let him dodge explosions, taking no damage on a successful save that require a Dex save. Spider Sense can act as the Alert and Observant feat, making it impossible to sneak on him.
You are right for the monk stats, yet wrong for Spiderman.
A thing most seems to forget is that the common/classic Spiderman limit himself. He never use his full strength and ability from fear to hurt people. It's pretty obvious from the very few times when he lost it from wrath.
You also forget a monk do all that because he is very focused. Spider do it casually, all the time, sometimes out cold or asleep !
So more 30 str, 60 dex, 20 con, 20 int, 18 wis, and 8 Cha. With a -10 luck.
Spiderman is a character you have to go back to 3.5 for the "Beyond Epic" rules, as most versions would also put him as a lv 10-20 artificer, where resources had been Peter's biggest roadblock to putting Tony out of business as an inventor.
You a madman if you do all the attributes. Good luck with Charisma and Wisdom
Ill take a wild guess...
Superman Strenght
Spiderman Dexterity
the hulk Constitution
The maker(or ridd Richard if you are lame)Intelligence
Batman Wisdom
Lucifer carisma
@@airprocidaredevil’d fit better for wisdom imo
Nah charisma is easy. Naruto.
I'd offer up purple man for charisma, but as a wild card, Logan for Wisdom
Charisma's easy, Jack Black.
I know that you justified it later on, but those DCs aren’t based on a human standard, when it says “nearly impossible” it isn’t referencing the human limit, it is talking about what even physically is possible to happen, that’s why it is considered a difficulty worthy of a god.
So yeah, Spidey *would* have his points near 30 and proficiency *would* help him go even further (he could even have expertise on those skills since he qualifies for both rogue and bard lol), but gods have their cap around the 30s and you implying Spider Man is at least twice as powerful as a god feels really weird
In the comics there are no gods that can match Spider-man for agility and dexterity. If DC had an Agility Force, Spider-Man would be it's avatar. (Yes. I know. That's the point.)
"god" is a title
a god in dc is not the same as a god in dnd is not the same as a god in warhammer is not the same as a god in god of war
I would need to know the feats of these "gods" so we can scale them. Can they dodge bullets? (Imagine you pull up to a god, and they act all that only to be unable to dodge a gun)
@@brightestlight9462 To be fair a God in Dnd is close enough to a God in God of War that it wouldn't be an unreasonable comparison.
@@truekurayami nah, gods in god of war are crazy powerful superhumans
a god in dnd is truly just a tier beyond the small scale reality warping/herald tier stuff that god of war gods do.
I remember looking up spidermans stats in marvel. And deciding to transfer that data into 3.5 dnd. And I did end up with something very similar. Super heroes and villains are just that. Super,
Based upon how lifting worked in 3.5 it ended around 60-70ish range for str for spiderman which is godly back then. And I based that upon lifting tonnage over head. Now I lost the sheets long ago but it gave a good idea of just how amazing spiderman is. And I do remember his dex ending up around 50s in 3.5 *yes spiderman is stronger then he is dexy. His strength is beyond what most people expect* Now I do not have the exact math on me as its lost long ago for all this but, Your numbers seem to check out to something very similar to rough memory of my own past experiments :D.
I think Danny MacAskill is probably a real-life representation of 20 Dex.
Simone Biles?
@@gamelairtim I just watched a video of this guy talking about just how physically strong and gifted she is, like how doing a floor routine when you look at her leaps she could easily jump over a whole Shaquille including the O'Neal. She is also 27 and for female gymnast of that caliber isn't that over their retirement age to compete at that level.
There is already a precedent within the 5e rules to include a bonus from a mental stat to increase a characters reaction (initiative) bonus. See Wizard War and Ranger Gloomstalker for adding Int or Wis to initiative, and of course the Alert feat. Given your comment on Spidey's insane wisdom score with his Spidey Sense, it'd make sense to me that he could include his Wisdom modifier on any Dex checks too.
I think this works perfectly, because it also represents the synergy of those 2 things very well.
Luckily, we have stories where Spidey's senses are messed up, and we can actually see the huge impact it has on his overall DEX scores. He basically has to re-learn how to be a superhero lol.
Okay, so this just occured to me. You mentioned that Daredevil slips in and out of the shadows. But... how does he know there's a shadow? And now I can't stop imagining him sitting in a corner that he believes is shrouded in darkness, but is actually fully illuminated.
Lmao and the bad guys just feel bad, so they pretend...
He can feel the heat difference?
Dex proficiency bonus - Spider-Man condition - breathing.
Spidey's Perception proficiency should be HIGHER than his Dexterity modifier. Because we've seen him many time PERCEIVE a threat through his Spidy Sense, but fail to react to it in time.
If his Dex mod is +25, then his passive Perception should easily be +30 or higher.
The crazy thing is - that's the Peter Parker who didn't "embrace" the spider within. The 616 version of him that did literally died, cocooned himself, and emerged practically a God. He's basically immortal. Spidey is the goat 🐐 🕷
The Spider-Man "other" series is absolutely crazy
Great video, as always!!
Wait, what? Cool!
While not a western comic, One Piece was shown in this video, so I honestly think that's a great place to draw insanely high Charisma characters from. If I were to make Luffy, for example, I’d copy a short I saw, and play a Warlock flavored as him stretching(fruit themed devil was the patron listed in the short), to facilitate having a very high Charisma. All of the leaders of all of the many factions have Charisma, with Conqueror’s Haki being the weaponized force of personality of a character, which sounds like it’s just Charisma. But the most Charismatic character, who talks himself into more and more important positions, despite not wanting them, is Buggy the Clown. That man is 100% maxed out on Charisma, with an automatic success on every Cha check he doesn’t want to make.
Just a suggestion for Charisma, when you eventually get there.
Lmfao Buggy is the epitome of "failing upwards"
Luffy is one of my favorite characters in all of media. Imagine his willpower with a Green Lantern ring. He'd be a planetbuster, for sure.
But you're 100% correct, the different forms of Haki are going to be mentioned in the next few videos!
you've struck gold with this kind of content and I'm looking forward future Marvel/DC characters DND scaling
Hey, I'm glad you're enjoying them! The CON video is up next, and it'll be soon!
I did something similar once for super heroes in 5e, as I thought back then that Spiderman was the strongest character in this attribute that 5e can simulate. Anyone better than him and the system implodes.
I put his Dex at 30, expertise instead of proficiency in all Dex related rolls (saves and attacks included), a homebrew version of Elven Accuracy that triggers on any Dex related roll, and since there's a 9th circle spell that is basically spider sense, I gave him that efffect as well, permanently. And there's a monster (marillith) that has infinite reactions (one per turn) and 7 attacks, so I gave Spider the same infinite reactions thing, and defined that he could make 1 attack for each point of his Dex modifier. And because Rogues can't roll bellow 10 on anything they are proficient with reliable talent, I just gave that as well to any Dex roll.
Lastly, I gave him a monk AC.
So we're looking at a +10+12 roll in which he can roll 3 times per attack, save, or check, and he can't roll bellow 10, and any action against him is made with "elven accuracy disadvantage" (roll 3 die, pick the worst).
ABSURDLY POWERFUL, and yet somehow inside the system. Beatable, if you have a lot of spellcasters.
Spidersense is straight up a Precognition ability, its just that some spider people have stronger versions of it, and the ability can be trained to get stronger like the assassin spiderman did. Madame Web has the strongest and can straight up see the future and past with it.
Spiderman has at will "foresight"
18:56 there is the lucky trait for halflings. If they roll a 1 they can reroll and take the second result. That could explain his always passing.
Nah man, Spider-Man just adds his Wis mod to his Dex checks.
That's a great way to think about it! That way, in the case that he loses his Spider Sense temporarily, you have an easy way to do those rolls.
@@PanicRolling So when he does a dex check, he rolls 1d20+dex+wis instead of just 1d20+dex, this is how you get around the +30 dex, though even with that workaround I'd peg him around 35ish dex. Just feels right, but the 60 is absurd.
Man, I discovered this channel a couple weeks ago, and I think it might be one of the more creative and entertaining things in the dnd space
17:40
I think the best you can get In d&d is a synergy of 4 features to emulate this & 4 expertise.
E1-Insight
E2 Investigation
E3 Athletics
E4 Acrobatics
F1 Blindsight
F2 you can make Investigation/perception/insight checks within the radius of blind sense
F3 when you make a perception checks you can add your Investigation or insight bonus to your roll (object Investigation/person insight)
F4 You gain a sense Emotion within range of blindsight
This would exponentially boost the passive Inv/per/ins granting synergetic bonuses to reactions & intuitions 👍
This sounds perfect! Makes sense that it takes all of this to replicate the power also...it's pretty busted.
9:50
Aide for exercising, very useful.
Profficiency when danger. remember he gets hit by bananas and stuff like that
Yeh this is true. Also makes it more scary that Venom doesn't trigger his Spider Sense.
Imagine that thing sneaking up on you.
@@PanicRolling YES!
I’m gonna have to do some serious modifications to my monk lol
Withers is always there for you! What a guy...
@@PanicRolling hell yeah
Great video as always Colo.
His spider scene allows him to dodge bullets.
Yeh except for that one cop that shot him in the leg in the movie. I was like 🤨🤨🤨
So spiderman's stats are as follows?
Str 20
Dex 30
Int 18
Wis 18
Con 16
Cha 14
Probably has the alert feet, designed the webshooters so definitely clever
Hate to say it, but higher.
Strength -> he can lift multiple tons, he's in the 30's with strength
Wisdom is perception. He is so good he's a natural pre-cog, at least 26 if not 30 if you count spidey-sense as a separate ability.
Con is debatable, 18 is a pretty crazy con, so it might count.
I had thought that, but it's difficult to work it out when considering skills associated with them such as insight. Strength, he could have expertise in athletics or something.
His intelligence matches that of reed richards, so it would be 20, or even higher there as well. Strength, too.
I'd see the few groups I've played with keeping the stats limited to 30. But there's a handful of bonuses / mechanics that one could assign to a spiderman-esque character.
• Cannot critically fail Dex checks/saves, 1 becomes a "Critical Success" like 20
• Always has advantage on Dex checks/saves
• Gains an extra dice for Dex advantage rolls. (rolls 3 dice for dex advantage)
If there's any concern that the spiderman character in question might fumble a mundane check, in spite of overpowered Dex advantages and modifier from the 30+ stat, one could just raise the bar for the lowest rollable number that counts as a critical success. Like, "Anything between 1 and 5, and of course 20, is a critical success." Or if that's too much, giving them what was mentioned in the video, a limited number of auto-succeeds per day as legendary actions if they fail a roll.
The main problem I see with actually trying to run any sort of campaign with an overpowered character like this is the same with any other overpowered character, raising the stakes and tension adequately to match. The DM would probably need to rip-off the Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse animated movie a bit. Specifically, how a spiderman's heightened perception and awareness from their spider senses can make them mentally vulnerable and on edge, causing panic attacks. Throw a bunch of psychic enemies at spiderman that mess with his mind and see what happens.
Honestly I think most of the more popular heroes and villains would work better as a Boss encounter.
I'm also personally fine with using scaled-down versions of characters to get a better story.
If someone wants to play the Hulk...they can pretty much do that with 20-24 STR. Special occurrences could happen, like ripping a vault door off the hinges...and for those, I think a roll bonus makes sense.
Superman doesn't need infinite STR to be an interesting character. It's arguably the least interesting thing about him.
Remember there are more ways to represent consistency in doing godly feats. If we, for example, gave Spiderman expertise in acrobatics, a +6 proficiency bonus, and reliable talent then he'd only need a Dex of 26 to be unable to roll below a 30. Definitely give him Unarmored Defence (Monk) as well, and permanent Danger Sense (Barbarian).
Spider Sense is basically a permanent Foresight spell. So he's got permanent advantage on all this too
Fatigue affects him. I would say 60 is still a bit high, but as you said his abilities all work in tandem. When he gets confused (Black Cat proposing to him) his spidersense disables. I would say his dex is around 30, but he gets an ungodly amount portent dice to replace rolls granted by his spidersense.
I imagined it was more like that scene from Batman vs Superman where Batman was just climbing on the walls in that movie fast asf for no reason
I would argue that spidersense doesnt count. It would be more like a divination wizards portent (both are time based powers). With spidersense peter could basically set his dex rolls to 20 on the dice, thus needing a +10 to auto achive nearly impossible challenges. A DEX score of 30 suffices (and conveniently is the 5e max).
Yeh it's very broken, but there are also stories where he doesn't have access to his Spider Sense, and he's still top tier in Agility and Reflexes. He just doesn't have the crystal ball to predict his future at those times lol.
spiderman does have the advantage of basically a permanent foresight spell cast on him at all times.
these videos are great! i like your ratings and your idea of the proficiency bonus, though in this case, wouldn't it be an extreme expertise bonus... lol
he has 30 dex expertise in things like acrobatics, proficiency and advantage on dex saves, and probably has a prof bonus of like 20 (if you really don't wanna break the 30 limit).
Humans usually make decisions long after the brain has begun processing it. So, it actually makes some sense that Spider-Man can sense Nick’s actions before he even imagines them. This, in 5e, would be high Insight, though, while Spidersense would either be Perception or, more likely, a straight Wisdom check.
I would also like to point out, 3.5e had an Epic-Level Handbook where feats such as this were possible.
Interesting idea for videos! Subbed!
I would add the caveat that dnd characters can represent feats of agility outside of the stat dexterity.
A lvl 1 human fighter could have 19 dexterity (assuming they rolled 4 dice, dropped the lowest, and got 6 on the remaining 3 and added 1 from racial bonuses)
A lvl 20 monk/rogue (assuming they don't have any items that break the cap) can only have 20 dex at most.
But because monks/rogues have a lot of movement related abilities they can do things that would make them a lot more "agile" than the lvl 1 wizard.
For example such a monk can move 120 feet up vertical surfaces or across the surface of water if they use the run action as opposed to a lvl 1 character only being able to run up to 60ft on level ground
Next one is what is the constitution of THE HULK
OK, based on the official Marvel Super Heroes TTRPG Spider-Man can dodge automatic weapon fire with skill alone and beam/light weapons in conjunction with his Spider-Sense. To effectively dodge a light-based weapon from *any* reasonable distance you would essentially need to be clairvoyant bc...physics. You would also need insanely strong bones, stronger than anything we have ever discovered bc you would need to be moving your body at near light speeds to avoid said shots *if* you didn't somehow _just know_ where you needed to be to avoid the shots. When it's a villain with a weapon you could say that he just moves where the gun is not pointed, easy-peazy, but he's shown dodging when he can't see who fired what, so the thing about the assassin version basically being psychic isn't that far off. He also wouldn't be the first insect of mammal who was extremely sensitive to changes in air pressure, could smell aggressive pheromones etc..
That said, 30 would be fine. He would just have to fail about 30 times in a row on any given athletic save bc of his dodge, uncanny dodge, acrobatics, athletics, threat clairvoyance etc etc etc. Tough to fail a DC 30 save with +10+5+5 and 30 rolls.
Yeh there was one panel where he jumps, contorts his body into the perfect shape and position, and dodges like 12 laserbeams at the same time.
If Pete was bloodlusted, and morality wasn't an issue...I can't imagine many things more terrifying, trying to hunt you down.
It would be a very short-lived nightmare.
You forgot one thing. Life HATES, DESPISES, peter parker
In slowly realising just how worthless the physical stats are compared to the mental stats in dnd. And then how weak everything is compared to comics.
Mutants are no jokes
I mean Wisdom is a godly stat in Dnd, but unless you're playing a class that requires INT, what exactly is the point it outside a few niche circumstances--mostly fighting a handful of enemy types, most commonly mindflayers or brain devourers?
I'm only 3:38 in, but I'd like to put forward that Spidey's Dexterity and Wisdom both are at least 22, and that he has a monk's unarmored defense. To that end, though, while Spidey's got preternatural reflexes (preflexes, even), he _does_ get hit sometimes, but bro's tough as nails, his Constitution is also probably way up there. Plus he's ridiculously smart, charming and witty, and actually strong to boot...bro's just OP in general, and a damn decent person, yet the universes all conspire to make him miserable... -u-;
The problem with using D&D's d20 system to represent this kind of thing is that no matter what there will always be at least a 5% chance to completely fail or succeed. That's great for a game, but not for telling a story in my opinion.
Yeh, agreed. Others have suggested guaranteed checks up to a certain difficulty for certain heroes, and I think that works out pretty well.
Superman is NEVER going to fail a normal STR check or save. Never once. So he pretty much just auto-passes any of those checks. But you could still have a player roll a DEX check or something to make sure he doesn't destroy everything around him during his STR check.
(Not that Superman has less than god-tier DEX, just using that as an example)
For his spider sense you could have him permanently under the effect of the 9th level foresight spell.
How much DEX would the Flash have? 100? The ability modifier of +70 to any non-surprise roll/check? Flash would absolutely break the rules. He's pretty much a god in the universe he's in.
Yeh I mentioned this in another comment. I didn't include the Flash in this video because his speed isn't really "Dexterity" as much as it is "Speed Magic".
Yes he is capable of doing the things I've mentioned in this video, easily...but he's also capable of running so fast that he time travels, or adding infinite mass to his punches by increasing his velocity.
Flash stories aren't about a nimble dude, they're about a Speed God.
26 Dex, expertise in some skills, the alert feat, and the reliable talent feature to never roll below a 10 on proficient checks.
Think a lot of Spiderman's feats of agility can count as the result of mixing 20 dex with high str and a bonus on accuracy.
Str not just cause he can punch hard and lift heavy things, but also in the sense that his own body weight is extremely light for him, so he can throw himself around even with just the muscles of his fingers alone.
And high accuracy because he can maintain focus on specific targets despite performing complex stunts under pressure.
I feel like Spiderman breaks the 20 limit but I think the Spidersense translates to Wisdom more so. So as a monk Spiderman would be untouchable...to nonfriends.
"the original Robin"
actually canonically there was one before him & she turned evil
I'm not aware of that version. You don't happen to remember her name do you? I wanna read that story!
@@PanicRolling I don't remember but also even before the one I mentioned here Bruce himself held the title of Robin for a period of time during his training
I am unsure who you are on about "canonically", any information only states the first Robin as being Dick Grayson. The first female Robin was Stephanie Brown who was the fourth Robin. There is a story of a prototypical Batman and Robin relationship between Phillip Wayne (Bruce's uncle) and Bruce when he was younger but I don't think they ever used the names of Batman & Robin, but I am happy to be proven wrong if information is out there.
After a little more digging, the only thing I could find close was Helena Wayne (Daughter of Bruce and Selina) of Earth 2 (2012 after Flashpoint 2011) that was raised to take over from Bruce and originally decided to use the name 'Robin Hood' till Selina told her to drop the hood part. Then she went on to be the Huntress, but I am unsure of the canon status of that story. Unfortunately they change stuff way too much to keep up with now 😂 but it gave me an interesting topic to look into.
@@Taybean maybe canonically is the wrong word but I know it's out there somewhere
The 5e rules has only defined stats from 1-30.
So a dex of 60 is menigless and does not have a bonus.
For the difference in bonus he may have a ability that adds twice he's proficiency bonus to dex checks and saves
Love these videos, keep it going.
Excellent video my good sir, bravo!!
A 20 dexterity technically only reduces your chances of being hit by 25% and would not save you from many bullets.
Counterpoint. Spider-Man’d likely be a rogue or monk, either way he’d get evasion and/or uncanny dodge to help with that.
So, here's my take based on a discussion back in the 3/3.5 days. Spidey would have between 28-32 dex. He'd have not just proficiency, but expertise in all STR and DEX skills. He rolls with Advantage on all DEX skills and Saves. He has Evation active at all times. He can never lose his DEX bonus, even when restrained or incapacitated. He has The monk Class feature of unarmored AC (potentially the Barbarian unarmored AC on top of that). He can force Disadvantage on an attacker (a la 'Silvery Barbs') as a reaction a number of times per short rest equal to his DEX bonus.
This is insanity, but... Canonically, he has had not just the foresight, but agility to evade an entire room of mounted LASERS set to random fire directions. You know... LASERS, moving at near lightspeed.
Spidey would be insane for strength too.
Honestly i feel like the dnd human limit, like comics, is higher than real life, id say the realistic peak strength in our world is probably like 15-16, giving the extra 4-5 stats to the adventurers cap the "passing the human limit" nightwing having 20 dex is accurate seeing as he truly is superhuman in his dexterity
Basicaly, spider man has a 35 AC and has a passive that grants him the adamantite armor passive of ignoring critical hits.
Spider-Man also has a genius level intellect up there with Tony Stark Bruce Banner and Reed Richards
What's incredible (or sad) is that the way a typical Spider-Man story is written it is easy for readers not to realize how incredibly Overpowered and god teir Spider-Man is.
Anyway I noticed you used a dexterity score of 20, I'm curious about your opinion on people saying you should only use even numbers in Baldur's Gate 3. So for a character with an ability score of 18 would you not add the extra point to make it 19? I've read some people say it would actually hurt the character by doing that. 🤔
You get additional bonuses on each even level, so they are automatically stronger than the odds.
Also I have some kind of OCD about leaving my stats on odd numbers. I don't like it lol.
@@PanicRolling Thank you! I swear you give me better advice on Baldur's Gate 3 than most of the guides I find online. I think it's because like your videos you are explaining it so that even people who haven't played D&D can understand it; so thank you again.
When you are choosing a weapon how do you determine a powerful one from a weak one? I was just going by which does the most damage, but a few days ago I noticed that different weapons have different dice (I think) and I am guessing that what the dice lands on determines how much damage? Why? Why not just have a weapon that deals 8 damage instead of 1d8? Then you add all the modifiers from stats and abilities and I get confused? In D&D how do you know when you actually are stronger than an enemy if everything is just left up to random dice rolls? 1d8 I assume means the dice could land on any number from 1-8 so (excluding ability and stat modifiers) your weapon could literally only do 1 damage if that's the dice roll???
Also does 2d6 mean 2 dice? What does the 6 mean? 6 sides each? Why is D&D (which Baldur's Gate 3 is based on) so complicated? 😅
Haven’t watched yet but im already going to ask you to keep making these.
I just default to him having some ability that lets him add his Wisdom modifier and proficiency bonus to all his rolls that use Dexterity. If we assume he's level 17+ and adds his proficiency bonus to EVERYTHING Dexterity related (including initiative), Spidey would need a Wisdom of 28 or 29 to achieve +25 at the bare minimum. Though, one could make the argument to swap Dexterity and Wisdom in this regard if you think the Spidey sense is actually stronger than his feats in Dexterity. But that's probably not accurate. Looking forward to the other videos!
Spider-man should have a dex of 30, proficiency in strenght and dexterity based skills and an ability based on spider-sense that gives him bonus in dangerous situations
So according to this in comparison Arkhamverse Nightwing is nerfed since he was able to be captured by penguin’s goons?
Nah, even a bunch of goons can get lucky rolls every once in a while.
Gotta have the heroes lose every now and then for plot shenanigans.
Decades ago I use to play A.D.& D. 2nd edition. Played it daily for many years and through a combination of pretty good ( not ridiculous ) initial rolled ability scores, years of campaigning with my character and magically raised scores (tomes, wishes etc.) I was able to raise his dexterity to 24. Yep he was a bad ass ! D.M.s hated him but hey they were the ones who made it possible.
20 anything, should be interpreted as the natural top performance for that stat that is possible for that race. A 20 Dex human should be the equivalent to an Olympic gymnast. Spiderman is far beyond those levels.
30 Dex, proficiency bonus of +6, double expertise in all dex checks for a total bonus of +28
If I remember correctly some versions of his spider sense are played off as biological while in others it is straight up super natural. I think the main 616 rolls with the super natural where he is connected to the Web of Fate. Man is literally able to predict fate on top of already having the dexterity to dodge things that can bypass his spider sense, like Venom. I haven’t read the comics or the wiki in a while so I could be completely off the mark and mixing fanon with canon.
I'd say at least 11 levels of rogue for reliable talent. The hare-trigger (proficient in intiative)ability that harengons get. Expertise in all DEX skills. Luck feat. Plus a 30 in both DEX and WIS. Also at LEAST 1 level in monk(possibly barbarian) for unarmored defense. Also alert feat.
Love this series
Considering dnd characters literally are magical superhuman monsters that can fight otherworldly magical creatures, transcedental entities, the avatar of a god, and a collosal monster (the tarrasque) that acts as a literal force of nature. dnd characters have literally dozens to nearly a hundred times the hp of an average person, to even a dnd character with only 16 strength being able to one shot kill the average person with one punch 100% of the time, I think daredevil and nightwing are more like 16 dex and spiderman is more like 20-24. I think 20th level dnd characters, especially spellcasters can more than keep up with the likes of spiderman, with a 20th level wizard being spidermans blatant superior.
Spider-Man is 30 dex, has the alert feat and can dodge all attacks with his reaction.
That number for spidys dex at the end... wow.
I mean. wow. I can see the logic, but theres still sticker shock.
You need to make a Mutants and Masterminds one day, it was custom made for Marvel/DC role-playing campaigns and is so similar to D&D to easily pick it up
The fact that they give you a limit of 20 in a fantasy game with Gods and Monsters makes no sense to me. Previous editions didn't have this problem. If you wanted to get the dexterity of Spider-Man or the strength of the Hulk you could have got there eventually.
Spiderman has been able to lift more then 20 tons for a while now. He can lift 55 tons fairly easily and if we bring up the live action versions its like triple that.
I believe it! I don't think a lot of people realize how much that adds to his agility and acrobatics, also.
If you are strong enough to lift buildings, your own body weight is going to be absolutely nothing for you to move around.
@@PanicRolling I will say that unless I'm missing a comic that said otherwise, his Spidersense doesn't help with his accuracy, it's not what he uses for his web swinging either, he just has a very intelligent mind that allows for the split second math calculations, if his spidersense was doing that for him he wouldn't occasionally slip up. The main thing Spidersense does is tell him when something is a danger to him or when somebody else is in danger, it's precognition that let's him see a second or so into the future.
Madame Web has the strongest and it let's her see into the future and past to help solve crimes.
It helps him in the same way The Flashes enhanced perception does, without it they wouldn't be able to utilize their agility and speed to the fullest.
If he didn't have over 20 in every stat, he wouldn't be able to use his Agility as well as he does, he is a good example of a character who has a perfect set powers that amplify each other on top of a super genius level intellect.
There are a few panels where they show him basically "detecting" his web targets as he swings. He definitely does calculations for swinging like you said though!
This is the best part about Spider-Man. He has like 5 unrelated powers, but they all synergize so well together, with the help of his genius-level INT...and he ends up with more powers than you originally thought.
I would say 30 Dex Proficiency and Expertise in athletics and acrobats (which gets another +12) so he has a +22 in acrobatics and athletics then spider sense give advantage on literally everything, the way that the Foresight spell does.
I mean, Nightwing was a genetialy altered human ment to become a Tallon. Easily has 20 Dex.
Edit: you should look up M&M 3e and the table they use for ability scores. The chart is very helpful as it shows how far you can throw X weight with Y score. It also does this for speed.
Spider Man would have 30 dex an expertise in acrobatics and dex saving throughs and the barbarian’s danger sense that gives him advantage on dex saves
Ok 2nd ed. D&D
Str: 19
Con: 18
Wis: 12
Int: 18 (genius level IQ)
Dex: 21
Char: 18(regionally) 15(other places) 10 (peter parker ID)
Now some stats could be higher, but in 2nd 18 was considered Peak Human with any higher numbers going into Deity level territory. The numbers are more condensed than 3.5+, so it's far tighter in balancing characters.
His Str is a big problem, but at 19 he can still pickup Large creature in one hand & throw'em without getting a Hercules type char.
Now Con was oriented at durability & health so 18 made sense without going overboard, but he could shake off hard hits. 17 could work, but 15-16 simply cannot. Though with a good skill set a 16 would work with A LOT of balancing.
Dex 21 is fine as a base number because he could get sensory skills that would give'em a boost to things like reaction/initiative/precog, multi-action, etc. Dex also affected movement SPD so longer Mv range. (Quicklings have a 99mv rate)
This puts him reasonably post human, but a playable NPC. The Monk & Psionics classes can give good skills.
I would've given him a 70 since +30 Dexterity bonus would make things nearly impossible trivial.
Spiderman has expertise in acrobatics which encapsulates his strongest assets. For his resulting profficency bonus to reach 15 he has to be cr 25 or higher. This places him at the level of a Marut the ultimate extraplanar police.
Expertise and an ability that lets him treat any roll lower than 11 as an 11 or 15 is also worth consideration.
These videos also kinda just make me miss Taking 10.
I think the daily abilities where he can just pass a dex check makes sense. There is no way he has a 5% chance to automatically miss a dex check. Maybe a .01% chance
There are no critical fails for skill checks in 5e. If the DC is 10 and you have +10 to the roll you will always pass.
I the idea of pushing against his limits. It's similar to stading upside down for hours!
Spiderman can run up building walls, but the spider in my sink can't climb out. Real spider must have rolled a bad dex score.
What a terrible spider. That thing should be ashamed of itself.
20 stats are peak human. Characters like Batman, daredevil, Robin and Captain America have 20’s. Beyond 20 is superhuman to godlike.
Easy fix: Keep the dex at 30 but he has expertise in ALL dex based checks and attacks
Okay side note what was that animation with the red eyed man fighting a wolf and archer? Cause that looks bad ass and I'd love to see more of that.
"Still Here" League of Legends cinematic.
Say what you want about League (I can't play mobas...I'm very bad at them and they piss me off too badly) but Riot's cinematics team is outrageous.
I recommend every single one of their cinematics.
Edit: just for another nugget of lore you might not care about - the Wolf and Lamb together are a character called Kindred. They show up when its time for you to die...like Death.
The character lore is fantastic in Runeterra.
I also came up to 60 Dex right before you said it because i thought about an adult fighting a child would be at least 3 times more effective so 3x20 = 60.
At start of the video i thought 30 Dex.