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Very nice and informative video, i love my Arrow but haven't tried it with the new patch, so i am glad to see it performing well ^^ Keep up the good work :)
Yeah it's a fantastic fighter! You do need to be a bit more careful in atmosphere since the air drag slows down your maneuvering but it's still got sharp handling and is really agile.
Great video - thanks for this! I had myself convinced I had to wait to do VHRTs until I could afford a Sen, but you have disabused me of that. Looking forward to more videos from you - this one earned my sub!
Thank you! And no worries, there's no harm in trying things! If you're concerned you can always take off all your pricey gear and just go in the ship in the default undersuit and helmet so if you blow up the only harm done is a little bit of time lost and hopefully you learn something along the way! I've blown up many, many times :)
The arrow is the most effective in atmo because it has wings, you have to use the wings to turn and not thrusters. It is amazing that they got the flight characteristics right. Fly it in a fight just like an F16 would and you will not be touched. Rotate the aircraft and turn using the wing surfaces and not the thrusters.
thanks, yeah I did do that in a few fights but then it's tough to fight in a way that lets you keep your nose pointed at enemies for more than a pass at a time, and they recharge a bit between passes. I'm still working on figuring out what works best for atmo combat, but so far you can still use space tactics pretty decently on moons since their grav and atmo density isn't that high.
wait how do you turn using the wing surfaces instead of the thrusters? do you fly it around more like a normal aircraft instead of orbiting your target?
yeah I'm the same! There's just something about the way it feels in flight that makes it more fun, like it's doing what you ask of it and so you feel like you have more control over the experience. And thanks for the compliment!
Great video brether, Have been using this setup for a while - it's great. Was my first thought once news of the atmospheric bounties came into fruition. Good to see we're on the same wavelength :P
@@proneiv Haha so the thing about that is the prowler gets two Size 5 hardpoints, and the difference in dps between S4 and S5 is so big that I'd say always use S5 fixed weapons when you can instead of lowering to size 4, but if it's just for shits and giggles... well then giggle away :D
Thanks for the kind words! I also can't wait for 3.16 to hit live, it's got a bunch of great bug fixes and hopefully faster more consistent bounty spawns too!
Thanks a lot I just got into star citizen and this guide for the Arrow is perfect for me since I want to upgrade up to the Arrow to do some space pews pews.
That's awesome! Welcome to the game and thanks for checking out my video. If you're new to bounty hunting there's a few other videos you might be interested in: How to get started with bounty hunting: ruclips.net/video/G8onG31uKrI/видео.html New changes to bounty hunting coming in 3.16: ruclips.net/video/TQwpljCzF_I/видео.html Bounty hunting ship fitting guide that contains combat tips at the end: ruclips.net/video/dbXyfxyD7hY/видео.html
Thanks to you I now realise why I always hated gimbals - I used them with cannons. I always put it down to gimbals being broken and/or bad servers. Shout out to Spectre as a short range jump drive. I use it on ships I don't intend to take beyond a planet and its moons, maybe some nearby lagrange points, and in return it gives the fastest short range jumps in the game, shaving seconds off which add up over many bounty hunts.
Yeah! In 3.15 gimbals got an update that made them much more usable (they were pretty busted in 3.14). On top of that, they just really don't seem like they work well with cannons... I've tried on a few agile ships now (Talon, Khartu-al, Arrow) and I haven't really ever gotten them to work well for me in that combination. I do like them with repeaters though!
Alright, alright, I'll put gimbals back on my Arrow. I tried gimbals and didn't like them; felt like they just couldn't hit as reliably as I could especially in the Arrow. But you make a good point about atmo flying being a whole new ball of yarn. Great video as always. Keep em comin! Edit: 5% is correct, I was looking at burst dps...derp.
Haha I'm glad you liked it! And hey, if you don't like the gimbals don't use them! I find that they help me a lot in more agile ships so I liked them in 3.15, and I think I'm going to like them even more in 3.16 as atmoflying is like wrestling a 3-headed hydra while being kitted out in cotton armor.
High yoyo, immelmann are all useful maneuvers in atmo. People with a pure space sim background often fixate on always pointing the nose at the target without the concept of lag/pure/lead pursuit.(since angle of attack is basically not a factor in space) Knowing when NOT to point the nose at the target is key to preserving energy, and getting more firing time on target when you do set up the maneuver. Use the vertical component to your advantage. When you have more energy than your opponent, a climbing spiral helps bleed off speed and tighten your turn, while your opponent can't keep up, making them the perfect target. When your opponent have significantly more energy than you, a downward spiral makes them overshoot. Hopefully this is helpful to someone out there. o7
I feel like these ship's are way too arcade-y in atmosphere to take advantage of energy mgmt techniques with these wildly unrealistic flight models. All these ships are capable of exiting atmosphere on there own, surviving ship disintegrating structural strain, and your character can sustain God tier g-forces so energy and vertical considerations seem overly devalued if simply not worth the extra consideration. What do you think?
@@TomOliverez You are impacted by gravity in atmosphere, so especially if you're in a slightly larger ship which is less agile you can take advantage of some of these things a bit better by slowing movement while going "up" and increasing movement taking advantage of gravity while going "down". But yeah generally I think you're right.
Not sure if High yoyo still useful in here, in traditional air to air combat you need it to preserve energy while prevent overshoot, but arrow in this game has much better thruster force to weight ratio and maneuverability which allow it to almost instantly gain or lose speed, you could just keep point at the enemy while holding s and gain the speed back up when you complete the turn.
Thanks so much! I appreciate you checking out my vids and letting me know that you're liking them - really helps make all the time that goes into them worth it!
I've been using the FL-33 cannons and the FL-11s and its been working fine (except for some odd things in atmospheric battles where I suddenly drop like a rock), I prefer the manual aspect of locking on but I'll be sure to try out gimballed soon!
If you feel effective with fixed cannons, I'd recommend sticking with fixed ones! I really struggled to make the gimballed cannons work for me, and the fixed ones will do more damage and will at least consistently go where you aim them. Gimballed repeaters were excellent though :)
Thanks! The defender is on my list of ships to buy thanks to atmospheric bounties lol. I've got a couple other videos in the pipe but this will definitely be coming.
Great review! Hoping you'll do one for the Gladius soon as I'm trying to decide which to purchase in-game, the Arrow or the Gladius. Keep up the great content :)
Thank you! And yes the gladius and the Banu defender are next on my list, but I need more time to try out the gladius with all the new changes so I can hopefully give it a fair and insightful review :) in 3.15.1 I'd say the arrow, hands down, but with the atmospheric bounties I'm wondering if it's worthwhile to trade a bit of the arrows higher DPS for the extra shield that the gladius has :)
The Arrow handles way better in atmosphere than the gladius so I can highly recommend it. The only downside to the Gladius is the one shield generator. In every other aspect the arrow is superior to the Gladius. I fly the Arrow 90% of the time and no other ship gives me the same kicks.
@@k1mfor Arrow is the king of PvP due to its agility and speed, all other things being equal. For PvE, its a bit less capable now thanks to its single shield, and I'd definitely prefer the hornet over it. So I guess it depends which one you'd rather excel at :)
1:27 "the best way to do damage now is to have more weapons" can this philosophy be applied to the Anvil Hawk as well im thinking of going all gimballed size 1s.. Also where is the Hawk video for pve bounties?
yep it can! the overall dps loss by going to s1s instead of s2s is pretty minimal. I don't have a Hawk right now since I lost it with the 3.15 wipe, but I have one concern with it and that's its really low hull hp. In space, this was less of an issue because the hawk was agile enough to avoid most incoming fire, but in atmosphere the lighter fighters are taking some more hits due to the atmospheric resistance slowing them down. The hawk does have 2 size1 shields, but there's a bug right now where laser repeater fire is penetrating shields (when it's not supposed to) so you'll be taking a bit of hull hp even if your shields are up, and that could end up putting the hawk in a bad spot. If you have one and try it out, I'd love to hear how its performing for you, and whether or not you feel like you're suffering from that bug.
I recommend upgrading the power plant to the lowest reponse PP that still provides enough power for the ship. On a S1 ship the response time is 1.5 seconds and can go as high as 15 I believe. It's been a great quality of life change I've made.
Thank you! By a setup vid, do you mean one talking about how to fit your ships? I have this one, if that's what you're talking about: ruclips.net/video/dbXyfxyD7hY/видео.html
Hey there Zero, thanks so much for the killer videos you really are one of the main reasons i still play this game and my fighting skills have improved so much. anyways, I've been having a LOT of fun with the 85x Limited fully outfitted & running 4x xj1's as an atmo bounty fighter & GVHRT assist ship. I'd really like you to take one out for a little fun and tell me what your thoughts are?
i chose this setup after I noticed the issues with the Arrow in atmo, but the 85x is almost 20,000kg lighter with very similar pitch/yaw/roll and the 4x distortion cannons make for a really fast & fun fall to the surface! PS breaks work amazing and its a smaller overall target than the arrow in a nose to nose fight and pvp time with it is a lot of fun as well during jumptown & such
Thanks for the kind words! And that's interesting - I haven't actually flown that ship in combat yet, it's one of the very few that i haven't flown but I want to. When you say its a GVHRT assist ship do you mean you are partnering with someone else who can do hull damage to the enemies, since the distortion wouldn't be able to kill any bounties that spawn in space (or bounties that are on moons with basically no gravity?). The rotational pitch/roll/yaw rates don't tell the whole story for ships, there's also translational rates which is how many G's of thrust can the ship output in a given direction, and thats where the Arrow/Gladius really excel as single-seat fighters. I'd expect the 85x limited to be much lower there which means even though it may be able to point to the enemy as quickly as the other ships, it wouldn't be able to move around to position itself as easily. In the current implementation where you can fight multiple really tricky enemies at a time I think it'd be really challenging to pull off but it could be fun. On a ship with 4 guns I'd probably only use 1 xj1 and I'd make sure to gimbal it all but I think the ship should be able to make it happen :) I'm a bit busy with some real-life stuff right now but when I get a chance to get to this i'll let you know!
@@adaa60 Oh nice! Yeah then you can definitely play a support role and the fact that the incoming fire is split across 3 ships probably helps a lot with survivability and disengaging if your shield gets low. Did you go for a fully gimballed setup?
one thing to consider that no one mentions is that gimbaling weapons lowers their heat dispersion and makes them much more susceptible to overheating. I've noticed that putting giblets size 2 repeaters on a size 3 hard point leads to overheating, while just putting a size 3 repeater on the same hard point has no issues with overheating. any comments on that?
I've only seen this with the arrow when using laser cannons. I haven't ever overheated repeaters (which is my preferred loadout) so I don't think it's an issue. But for cannons, it definitely becomes a limiting factor, and that's yet another reason I don't like gimballed cannons lol. It matters on a ship-by-ship basis it seems.
For shield, don't use the Palisade. Use the Mirage. It has the same HP and HP/sec as the Palisade (Patch 3.16), but much less heat generated. And for Powerplant, use Slipstream for that low "Power Draw Request Time" of 1.25 sec. And it goes without saying that the QD should be the Atlas.
The voyage actually is a bit faster than the Atlas and can get anywhere in the verse on one tank. It's been my go to since 3.16 where the atlas was annoyingonly out of the way. Power draw request time doesn't really matter in PvE because you'll never get shut down in combat so I recommend just using whatever comes on the ship as long as it provides enough power. The palisade has better ballistic resistance so it's a better shield than all the others in 3.16, and I've never had shield heat been a problem with it. Your ship will generate high signature anyway while in combat so it doesn't really make a material difference
Great video as usual man. Really enjoy it. Because of the new bounties, are you gonna give another quick once over to the other ships you’ve already done?
Thanks a bunch for your kind words! And yeah, I'll probably have to once 3.16 hits Live. The minor issue is I don't have access to too many ships since the 3.15 wipe, but I was able to use the free 15M aUEC on PTU to test a few, the Banu defender being one of them ;) I'll spend some time flying with the new system with various ships and then figure out the right way to make an update :)
@@RaptorThings Thanks a lot! Yeah I have most of the common culprits for bounty hunting ;) It's more about rounding out the full list just to give more accurate and honest reviews.
whoa is that real? How'd you figure that out? I checked on erkul for live and PTU and both of those are showing the numbers as the same as the other repeaters, whereas back when the heat-based damage ramp worked erkul had that information listed out. I'm skeptical because since the damage ramp is heat-based, this means they'd have to have added heat mechanics back into weapons as well, which is a pretty big change for them to not mention in the the 3.17 LIVE or 3.17.1 PTU patch notes.
@@WingZeroType I’m not 100% sure when I think about it but I do know heat is working because my friend and I both damaged components by not controlling the heat management in PTU yesterday. Maybe not in PU but maybe PTU? I’ll have to test again because now I’m realizing.
Mixed canons and repeaters I found gives some balance two fl11s on the turret don't know if it is better but allows you to fire to keep their Shields from recharging
I prefer to keep all my weapons the same type so I can apply maximum burst when I get into a good position. I also try to keep my attention on the target so that they don't get to recharge their shields anyway. You need 5 seconds of not taking damage before shields start recharging, and ammo will typically full recharge in less than 5 seconds if you have your capacitor set to max weapons!
I try not to mix because of different fire rates but if you found a method to take advantage of that and it works well for you, that's awesome!! Perhaps I'll give it another go and experiment a little.
The aiming mode that I'm using is called "Lag PIP" which is something you can manually set. "Lead PIP" is the aiming mode that's on by default and is what you're currently using. You can change them in game by changing the default targeting reticule option in the gameplay settings (first options menu when you go to settings) or by setting a key to toggle between the two modes under "Flight - Targeting/Switch Flight Lead / Lag Reticle (Toggle)" in your advanced keybinds. some notes about the two: - Lead PIP's reticule shows you where you should fire your shot so that it will hit the targeted enemy based on how you and the target are currently moving. In this situation, your eyes are likely looking at the targeting reticle which is in front of the enemy. - Lag PIP makes the reticule show you where your shot will land based on how you and the target are currently moving (it can still miss if the target changes speed/direction after you've fired the shot, same as with lead PIP). In this situation, your goal is to place the reticule on top of the enemy's ship since that's where you want the shot to land. Because of this, your eyes are likely looking at the enemy ship since thats where you're trying to place the reticule, which makes it so that you can better predict and respond to the enemy's actions like turning or changing direction. - I also prefer lag PIP because with the lead PIP, the targeting indicator only goes green when you're lined up to perfectly hit the target in their center of mass. But with lag PIP, you can see when you're not hitting exactly in the center but you're still going to catch the edge of the target and do damage so you can better decide when it's worth it to shoot or not.
Do you think now with the ION nerf the Arrow is the best for HRTs/VHRTs? Or a better question, what is the best in 3.16 for solo bounties? Great video on the Arrow btw THANKS!
Thanks! IMO, the mantle of "King of Bounty Hunting" is back to the Sentinel after the 3.16 changes. The aiming changes have decreased the effectiveness of both Ares and combined with the additional fuel consumption in atmospheric bounties, that puts the sentinel ahead. I've actually been able to more effectively kill a hammerhead with a sentinel using laser cannons than the Ares Ion.
...oh my. I just tried this setup (flew the Arrow in the asteroids with full cannons, and later, with full (fixed) repeaters). It's amazing! In and out of atmo! I dump the capacitor on the target as I pass, by the time I'm done turning around, the guns have already recharged! And it's agile AF in atmo, compared to something like a Sentinel! The biggest downside to it, as far as I can see, is that it doesn't do much for improving my (limited) aiming skills. Btw, you mentioned the Banu Defender - what setup would you recommend with it? Fully gimballed as well?
yeah the arrow is great! the biggest downside for me was the low shield amounts, against 4 enemies in VHRTs I had to disengage quite a few times, but hopefully I get better and can become more effective with it in atmo as time goes on :) For the Defender, I've been liking a full fixed repeater setup, it's agile enough to be able to land its shots without gimbals and not so overly agile that it'll be difficult to aim with your movements, so i've been liking this fit so far. I've tried cannons in the past as well and they are decent but given that VHRTs can contain some light fighters as well, I tend to prefer repeaters unless you've got a S5 cannon on your ship.
Yep, I don't like that additional motion so I prefer to turn it off. I feel like it makes it easier for me to fly more precisely and aim more accurately
Hi! I've just started in SC and I love the bounty misions. My first ship is the Avenger Titan but I think I want to upgrade it. I've rented the Warden but it is so slow and cannot change the S5 mount.. What would you recomend me for the next step? Love your vids! Thank you!
Welcome to the verse! And thanks for the kind words, I'm really glad you're liking my vids! I apologize in advance for this wall of text :) So the Warden is the slowest of all the vanguards - they all have the same thrust but the warden is about 40% heavier than the others. My starter ship is also the Avenger Titan and I personally went with the Sentinel as my next ship because even though it's slower in maneuvering than light/medium fighters, the firepower and shields that it has are fantastic and it's excellent at NPC bounty hunting missions if you fit it with the S5 laser cannon and S2 MVSA laser cannons. It's hard to get a feel for their firepower with the rented ships b/c (like you said) you can't change the loadout, which is a really important part of setting up a ship for combat. If that type of mobility is just too low for your tastes, then you're looking at light and medium fighters, which will be a bit harder to handle in Atmospheric bounties in 3.16 I think b/c you can't really use as much maneuvering when you're in the moon/planetary atmosphere like you can in space. But in that case, I've been enjoying the Banu Defender (thanks to it's S2 shields, decent agility, and good firepower) but it is pretty expensive at around 2.7M aUEC and the styling is polarizing (you either think its super cool or you hate it lol). I need a bit more experience with different ships in atmosphere before recommending others, since those new types of bounties are a big part of bounty missions going forward. I've used the gladius and the arrow, and I've done ok with both but I've found the lower shields make me have to disengage from the fight more often. That is to say, you can do it with any of the fighters but the small/medium fighters will probably be slower at overall mission completion, even though they're "faster" ships :) The new patch is still early so this could change but my personal preference is currently looking like: 1. Vanguard sentinel 2. Banu Defender 3. Gladius 4. Arrow 5. Hornet 6. Sabre still need more experience to rank them: Freelancer, Buccaneer, Reliant, Constellations, 100-series, 300-series, 600i, Auroras, Mustangs, Avengers, Hawk, Khartu-al, Talon
@@WingZeroType Thank you so much for your time!!! I think i will follow your advice and save some money in game to buy the sentinel. It will be a grind lol Do you think is a good idea to pledge the argo cargo the gift me for an arrow, it is not so expensive but would she do the job in space... or the gladius is more money worthing?
@@EndComm So one thing to note is that if you got the referral gift argo cargo, any money you spend to upgrade that cannot be "melted" (aka turned back into credits). You can keep upgrading it to other ships in the future if you want but that money can never be turned back into credits so I would only upgrade that ship to something pretty cheap, personally. Also, the Titan is good enough to keep chugging along through bounties, but you're right, it is a grind lol. The Gladius and Arrow are both good ships though, they're both very agile fighters and really fun to fly. The gladius is a bit more tanky whereas the Arrow does more dps and is a bit more precise, so it kind of comes down to what you prefer. Personally, I think I'll probably prefer the gladius since atmospheric bounties output a lot of dps and having the extra shield is nice since you can't dodge the incoming fire as easily as in space.
There are two settings in the options that you can turn off, one of them is called Pilot Lookahead and the other is zooming in on selected target. Both of those things limit your view of your cockpit MFDs, so if you turn them both off you should get the same type of view that I have. If that doesn't work, you might need to increase your field of view setting under the graphics settings.
Totally agreed that it's way harder but it's still doable. You have to angle your engagement a bit more carefully (you can't just fly into the center of all the enemies willy nilly) and by performing corkscrews and/or flying decoupled you're able to get the enemy to miss some shots. The Arrow/gladius also do a better job of avoiding incoming fire than many other ships due to their small profiles but I still have to disengage sometimes to recharge my shields if one of the wingmen gets a clean shot at me.
Yeah I like gimballed weapons on the arrow since the turret on the back of the arrow is gimballed by default, and you only lose a tiny amount of dps by gimballing the size 3's down to size 2s. But the arrow is so nimble you could easily go fixed weapons as well if you wanted to, and that would give you some greater control in VHRTs when you're fighting valkyries/wardens/hurricanes with their "infinite" size 2 shield bug where the front shield doesn't go down if you hit it head one (since it often registers the damage against the back shield in those cases). In those situations you want to try to hit the back edge of the ship so that your damage is registered against the back hull, and having fixed weapons helps with that type of precision aiming. However, if you're missing a lot of shots anyway might as well go gimballed. With the gladius, I've been using fixed weapons and i'm happy enough with my performance with those that I've kept it fixed, but i don't think there's anything wrong with going gimballed. If you're trying to decide between the two, I think I personally prefer the gladius because it feels more forgiving, and having an extra s2 shield can be really helpful when you're fighting outnumbered and let you recharge shields mid-fight without needing to fully disengage. But there's no wrong answer, they're both absolutely incredible light fighters and I fly them both regularly. The arrow has a bit higher dps but the gladius is a bit chiller to fly thanks to its extra shield.
@@WingZeroType sweet thanks for the amazing reply! I pledged the arrow, 1. Because it’s cheaper and 2. I like the looks more. Used it against some Hrts and didn’t get hit once lol. I like the gimbals and love how nimble it feels. This is only my second week playing so still new to the whole pledging thing and just learned about IAE so I’m pretty bummed I didn’t wait till Anvil day to possibly pick one up with better insurance :(
@@keys299 you're very welcome! And don't worry, you might be able to message support and ask them for a refund if you had pledged really recently. Personally, I think a great way to do it is to buy the LTI Cutter game starter package that's currently being offered and then CCU that to an Arrow. That way, for a total of $75 you get a game package with an Arrow with LTI. And if you don't want to do that, don't worry. The devs have stated in the past that insurance isn't going to be a big deal, so don't fret if support doesn't get back to you in time. They're often very overburdened during IAE
I put the same guns you got in the loadout side but got less ammo in the repeaters is it because of a other power plant or do you have other repeaters equiped in the combat part?
The power plant that you're using won't affect the power, but the capacitor settings will! In the power MFD in the ship you have the power triangle and if you put the full power to weapons you get more ammo and faster ammo recharge. I typically keep my power set to max weapons for this purpose and only swap it to shields or thrusters when I need to recharge those. I've mapped keybinds in the advanced keybind settings to set max weapon power, thruster power, and shield power to the 1, 2, and 3 keys on the keyboard and on a hat switch on my joystick to make it easy to swap the power around with one motion during combat :)
I went with dual Gladiator NXT joysticks, I'm really happy with them. They have more than enough buttons to map everything I need and the quality seems plenty good enough. You can go cheaper or more expensive depending on what your price point is. I started with bindings that were developed by BuzZzKiller in conjunction with Subliminal and then remapped a bunch of stuff based on what I liked and what made sense to me. I ended up with the following: i.imgur.com/KPIBpAm.png This part was actually the most time consuming of the whole process but it was well worth it to have the buttons feel second nature since in the heat of combat you don't want to spend time thinking about what button something is mapped to. Then finally before actually flying in the PU with them I did some Arena commander to get used to them and build a bit of muscle memory. My concern was that I didn't want to have all the downtime of respawning in the PU, but thanks to all the time I spent making good bindings I actually didn't take long at all in AC before I was not dying anymore. Anyway, I hope that helps! BTW, depending on what sticks you get, you can map curves on the axis directly in to the joystick, or by using a 3rd party program. Gladiator NXTs supported flashing the curves into the sticks themselves so that's what I did using their provided software.
Hey I'm not sure if you would be aware of this kind of information, but I've been wondering for a while if you know the effect larger sized lasers have on capacitor power draw? You keep mentioning "Only a 5% loss to sustained DPS" where the DPS of larger weapons is about a 10-25% increase in damage, so I assume it has something to do with capacitors and how they affect your actual damage performance based on the size of the weapons. I think if it was knowledge you had it would be extremely informative to make a video on that kind of thing!
Hey, yeah the way we know that is that the new version of the erkul website factors the capacitor recharge of weapons into the sustained dps calculations based on power settings. Check it out, it's really cool! dev.erkul.games/ You can also see the total capacitor available to each ship and what their refill rate is, so you can see which ships have stronger capacitors and which ships have weaker capacitors. Most ships within the same size class have the same capacitor but there are some exceptions! You have a good idea though about making a video so that people know about this and how to use it, i'll add that to the list! Thanks!
@@WingZeroType Oh man this is actually game changing, thanks a ton for this information! This is the kind of thing I've been brainstorming on trying to draw estimates for, I never realized the newer version of Erkul had this information. Definitely I think it would make a good video topic though, it's something that would work great for a breakdown for people who either aren't aware of it's existence or are not informed about weapon sizes and how they affect capacitor gameplay.
@@MylesJacobSwie Thanks, and yeah I agree! Also if it wasn't obvious you can drag the capacitor dot around to see how things change when you set things to max capacitor - it's super good!
Personally I hate the base Arrow because it's using both cannons and repeaters, which have different projectile speeds. This means you need to lead your fire different amounts for the different guns, and I personally find that really unusable so I would swap the weapons to all cannons or all repeaters. And personally I like lag PIP but you should try them both out and see what you like. It takes a bit of getting used to but once I changed I really love it.
What do you think about gimballed repeaters vs fixed on other ships, in particular the hornet ghost and hawk? Do the ball turret and nose turret on hornet work with gimbal assist?
The hornet ghost can totally go gimballed weapons - swap the nose with the nose and back turrets from the super hornet (you don't need to buy the superhornet, you can just get the turrets in stores for cheap) and then you only need to gimbal the wings. For the hawk, you'd have to drop all your size 2s to a size 1 so you'd lose a chunk of dps so you'd have to play that by ear based on how well you can aim the fixed weapons. I like going fixed on the hawk but if you feel like you miss enough shots fixed that the gimbals lower your time to kill, then that's what you should go with.
@@WingZeroType Thanks. I'll try gimballed repeaters on the hawk. sustained dps with gimballed repeaters is 1035 and 1060 for fixed, not much dps loss. Do you aim at the lead/ lag pip, or at the ship when you use gimbal assist?
@@VoltKraken5555 Yeah the current weapon balance making s1 and s2 weapons so close really helps gimbals out :D I still try to aim my lag pip when using gimbals and I try to make the gimbals do as little work as possible so that they lock faster and stay locked longer. They have a maximum movement rate so the more you help them the better they'll perform!
Yep you could do that, but I think it would be less efficient than just having a full laser loadout (which does more damage) and just killing them. Also, depending on where the distortion damage goes and how high up in the atmosphere you are, you might not even disable them long enough to make them crash. It's something that I'm considering playing around with but I'm not sure it'll be the most effective loadout.
Hey I wanted to come back and reply to you again because I've had some more time to play around with distortion weapons. I think against hammerheads they're a no-brainer. The ability to shut down the HH makes it so much of a safer and easier kill that I think I'd always use them there. For VHRTs it's a little bit more on the fence. Against hurricanes, I think they're worth while because Hurricanes have enough hull hp that you will shut them down before they would've died and that actually lets you get a faster kill sometimes because you can land shots more easily and have one less source of incoming damage. The reason I'm not yet convinced it's always the best option is because Valkyries and Wardens actually take longer to kill using distortion vs using a full laser repeater loadout. So in the end the time to kill ends up averaging out roughly the same. I will probably recommend it since it can make hurricanes easier to deal with, and they're the most annoying targets due to their smaller size and high hull hp.
@@WingZeroType I think distortion weapons in general are meant to combat sub-capital to capital ships. Like you said, a full laser load out is much more effective on small/medium ships but you can’t easily destroy a capital ship so shutting down its systems would be more effective.
those are gimballed weapons. The turret on the top of the arrow can gimbal by default, and i added s3 gimbals to the wing hardpoints and added s2 guns to those gimbals so that I have a fully gimballed setup. Then you can press G to toggle your gimbal mode and if you set the guns to "auto" gimbal then they'll automatically lock onto your target if you get close to lining them up! it's a small dps loss to downsize the guns but usually the accuracy increase of gimballing weapons makes up for it for most pilots.
The arrow is actually doing more damage with the current setup than it would with 3xs3. The gladius has 3xs3 and the arrow is the higher dps ship, since right now with the current state of weapon balance the best way to get more damage is to have more guns :)
Hey great question! you can upgrade the ship that came with the starter pack and you won't lose the game, so you can upgrade without fear. One thing you should be cautious about is "melting" a ship that came with the starter pack (which means turning it into store credits) because then you will lose the game. But if you're just doing an upgrade you'll be fine
Thanks for the review man. I have a question the new atmospheric bounties will be random when you select a group VHRT or you have to select them as atmospheric bounties? Do they pay any different from space bounties?
Just like in 3.15, you'll get one bounty of each difficulty available to you, and it'll be random whether or not a given bounty spawns as atmospheric or not in Hurston and Crusader space. In microTech and ArcCorp they're always atmospheric. I go into a but more detail on how they work in my previous video (ruclips.net/video/TQwpljCzF_I/видео.html) if you're curious, but the payouts are the same. You can tell by reading the mission description whether or not the bounty is in space or on a moon/planet, but you can't decide what type of mission becomes available. I hope that helps! Edit: sorry I just saw you specifically asked about group bounties, for those I'm not sure... I haven't done those yet on PTU - sorry!
Hey I played some more today and got the group bounty contract missions in crusader space (It wasn't showing up for me in ArcCorp or microTech space). The group bounty I did had 2 bounties on moons and one in space, so it looks like group bounties will have a random combination of both!
@@WingZeroType In the atmosphere of the moons?Lol i guess no more quick money grind -.-. *Throws away the bounty hunter's helmet and wears the miner's hat*
@@AndreasNK hahaha yeah, we'll have to see how it pans out. I just killed a hurricane in my sentinel and it was still pretty easy, so as long as the QT markers show up I think it could still be pretty profitable to bounty hunt, with the right ship ;)
@@bamcorpgaming5954 I think when you buyback you don't get the CCU benefit though, right? If you've done a bunch of CCU chains to a specific ship, will you be able to buyback that ship at the same price?
they don't do the same damage but they are much more similar. This isn't the final phase of balancing, but as the first part of the rebalance they made some aspects of all the weapons uniform and then they'll add variations once they are happy with the base balancing. This is an alpha so we're seeing the live development of the game, not the finished product, and that's something we need to be cognizant of when looking at things.
@@WingZeroType true. But math guides these things. I've developed shield values and weapon values for things before. You don't start making them near all the same on the way to a balance or a scale. It's math. You work out how long would we want a size 3 shield to hold against 4 size 3 guns if one size 3 gun does x damage. If it was under sustained fire. Then you go from there and account for attack passes. Dog fighting. Missing. Recharging and you can get an idea how long an averaged involved engagement would last based on your math
@@thirdworldrider6991 right and i'm sure they're getting a lot of real-world data from the current phase of the balancing. It took them effort to change all the values back to being relatively the same, so I doubt they'd do it if they didn't find it useful in some way.
you were using ESP (enhanced stick precision) it makes small corrections in your input to be able to hit the target, i find it bad when using gymbals with stick, this is why you miss so much specially with cannons, your'e welcome
oh thanks, I was never able to figure out what ESP was doing for me. I'll try that next time I'm using gimballed cannons to see if that helps. I appreciate it!
It seems my other comment got lost somehow. Is gimbaled setup really just 5% less DPS? Calculator gives about 14% difference (something like 1400+ gimbaled and 1600+ fixed)
Yeah so I've been looking at the sustained DPS which accounts for the time spent recharging the capacitors as well, since that's a large factor in your total DPS. You can check it out on the new version of erkul at dev.erkul.games/ and move the weapon capacitor to Max weapons
@@WingZeroType that's a good point. But strangely, in this calc CF-227 Badgers give 958 sustained weapon DPS vs CF-337 Panthers 893! (i kept CF-117s in the turret for both options).
In the current version of the game's balance you lose very little dps by swapping from fixed to gimballed weapons. For me personally, the Arrow is such a fast ship that it takes more of my focus to pilot it with it's faster maneuvering capability so I appreciate having some aim assist on the gimbals. Otherwise, I end up focusing much more on lining up my aim perfectly and end up being a bit stationary in my maneuvering to help the aim a bit more, which wastes the arrow's greatest strength.
@@WingZeroType Cool cool thx alot. yea somehow i got one for free ^^ upgraded my package, and now i own one. i did change the weapons on my Hawk what i buyed ingame to Fix weapon and like it. But then im gonna test te Arrow with its original Settup. Im still searching a Ship who is able to kill the Idris :) i managed to get the shield down with my Hawk,, after 20 minutes haha.
@@rogerstalder7184 whoa you're trying to take out an Idris by yourself! That's a big task! You probably want to maximize your dps so I'd go with a heavy fighter most likely. I'm personally partial to the vanguards, but if you have friends with you you'll probably do more damage with a redeemer (although they're not available in-game until 3.17 and they're really expensive). If you're going with the original arrow loadout just be aware that they have mixed repeaters and cannons. That makes it harder to aim since the repeaters and cannons have different projectile velocities. And if you're trying to take out an idris you might benefit from going for a full cannon loadout since they do more dps due to being more capacitor efficient and since your target is giant it's not like you're going to miss your shots lol
@@WingZeroType Hehe yea i noticed that this Idris isnt just a Hammerhead what i can solo in a light fighter. but thats what gonna make me try even more ;) thx for those tips. And there are diffrent Weapons i have no idea what they for. The shatter guns are clear its basicly a Pumpgun weapon. butthe Disruptor Cannons what do they actualy do? or i have seen Neutron Canons like the NN-13. no idea what they for.
@@rogerstalder7184 so all the weapons fall in different categories. Distortion weapons do distortion damage, which can shut down components but don't do any hull damage to ships. Laser weapons are your bread-and-butter all around weapons that have good damage, range, and don't run out of ammo. balistic weapons have very limited ammo but do higher burst dps than laser weapons, don't require capacitor energy, and can partially penetrate shields with their damage and deal hull damage even while shields are up. certain weapons (like pyrobursts and ballistic c-788 cannons) do explosive damage, which can destroy internal components of ships and permanently disable them. Within each category listed above, there are different options (e.g. neutrons vs other types of laser weapons) but right now those are mostly the same while the weapons are being rebalanced. It's all a bit of a mess right now but that's because they're in the process of fixing it and trying to give each type of weapon it's own unique feel and characteristics in a balanced way. I'm not sure when they'll make more progres on that, but for now you mostly can stick with laser repeaters and cannons, unless you want to add in some distortion weapons (as a supplement to your laser loadout) to disable enemies as you're fighting them. This can be useful against more challenging targets... but I'm not sure how long it would take to disable an Idris.... probably a very long time lol
I typically use CF-series repeaters since they're the cheapest, and the s2 badgers are also the most accurate repeaters in the game since they have slightly less weapon spread than the NDB or attrition repeaters. In 3.16.1 the dps of all the repeaters are pretty much the same so you can really just use whatever you already have on hand, or you can use the NDBs if you like the blue projectiles, or if you want to get the slightly better accuracy for the S2s you can get the CF-badgers. for S1 and S3s, it's all the same for all the repeaters.
a PIP is just a preference thing, it won't change how well the weapons can actually hit the target. I'm very used to a lag pip and aiming my ship so that the cursor is on the enemy's ship and gimballed weapons work fine with it
Thank fuck they're nerfing gimbals in the near future. Hopefully they won't work on light fighters soon, nothing with that much maneuverability should have that much auto-aim. Now they just need to cut the hardpoint sizes on the Arrow and Gladius by 1 across the board, and reduce the capacitor on each by around 25% and they'll be doing pretty good. [Edit] And knock a shield generator off the Gladius if they're gonna keep it as agile as it is.
hmmm I think your suggestions go too far, but I wonder if some hardpoints decreases can help solve the issue. The thing is the ships are probably hardpointed for whatever ideas they're thinking of related to physicalized damage and armor, and the balance that will ensure after that. Gimbals will also have a much bigger implicit nerf when that happens since theoretically a lower sized weapon can't punch through armor as effectively, so the dps loss is more significant. I agree the gladius feels quite tanky with 2 shield generators, but I think it'd be a bit too flimsy with just 1. In that situation, you'd also fly the arrow since it has more dps, is more agile, and it's smaller (so more survivable).
The arrow is ultra-agile so it can pull a lot of Gs if you're turning while thrusting hard in multiple dimensions - in space it's even easier to hit high G levels because there's no atmosphere to push through. The G's aren't being generated by gravity, they're being generated by the thrust of your engines and all the various thrusters located around the ship.
@@user-fi8sp4dp3u nothing really, your screen just gets darker and goes black for a few seconds and then comes back. I usually pull off the Gs before it goes full black though so I don't know if you get some health damage if you keep pulling Gs
@@user-fi8sp4dp3u well if you pull into a maneuver really hard inerial dampeners won't do anything for you, right? You need to increase your ship's acceleration and you want to do it as quickly as possible (assuming combat maneuvers)
Do you dynamically manage your power? I typically fly with max power set to weapons which gives you a much higher ammo recharge rate, which translates to more damage. That said, they've made enemies MUCH more dangerous in 3.17 since the AI is much more effective with their aiming and maneuvering.
Yeah the stock loadout is so bad... mixed between laser/ballistic and mixed between cannon/gatling. I was going to recommend people rent it to try it and see it's handling for themselves but I couldn't bring myself to get people to do that b/c the loadout is such hot garbage that I can't imagine people liking the ship with it.
idk why you would go with gymball system when you clearly can easily acquire target on your own not only you do less dmg but also the guns are smaller so they look a lot worse... Yes seeing how awesome they look is a big part of this game (at least for me hehe)
Thinking your ship looks cool adds 15% damage - it's been proven ;) going gimbals for the arrow only costs 5% sustained damage, and I think the gimbals locking are adding more value than that 5% lost damage so I like them on this ship. It lets me split my attention to other things like piloting and monitoring my very tiny s1 shield so that I can get ready to disengage of things are about to go badly lol
yeah if that's your jam! there's such a small difference between fixed and gimballed now that folks should just use whatever feels better for them in most cases.
I think it's a bit more precise than the gladius, and it also has more dps than the gladius (at least right now) but yeah we'll have to see how that stacks up once armor is a thing.
Why would it need a nerf? It's super maneuverable and small but it can't take a lot of hits. A bad pilot will die in seconds. A good pilot will dominate. That's how it should be.
Why would anyone want to give up that much additional precision for only a 5% sustained dps loss? Folks are welcome to go fixed repeaters if they want but I don't find it worth it since its only giving you 5% more dps.
@@M4sterClass if you think flying fixed is the only right way to fly b/c gimbals make aiming easier, then so be it. I think gimbals are a great addition to the game as long as their consequences are balanced appropriately. Not everyone is able to hit precise aiming in 3d so giving a lower-dps option for folks to be effective is a great move.
If folks have encountered the issue of missing QT markers for NPC bounties, please contribute: issue-council.robertsspaceindustries.com/projects/STAR-CITIZEN/issues/STARC-28037
Just bought my Arrow and this is EXACTLY the kind of video I needed. Awesome.
That's great to hear! I'm glad this was useful for you :)
Great review man, I'm really happy to see how fast you are growing and I only hope it keeps up! gj yet again
Thank you so much! I'm glad you're enjoying the videos!
What a great video. Thanks for all the work you put into it
Thanks so much! I appreciate it :)
Very nice and informative video, i love my Arrow but haven't tried it with the new patch, so i am glad to see it performing well ^^
Keep up the good work :)
Yeah it's a fantastic fighter! You do need to be a bit more careful in atmosphere since the air drag slows down your maneuvering but it's still got sharp handling and is really agile.
Great video - thanks for this! I had myself convinced I had to wait to do VHRTs until I could afford a Sen, but you have disabused me of that. Looking forward to more videos from you - this one earned my sub!
Thank you! And no worries, there's no harm in trying things! If you're concerned you can always take off all your pricey gear and just go in the ship in the default undersuit and helmet so if you blow up the only harm done is a little bit of time lost and hopefully you learn something along the way! I've blown up many, many times :)
Thanks for this. Just picked an arrow on Sunday in the PTU. Seeing this helps A LOT!
That's great! I'm super glad that this was helpful for you!
The arrow is the most effective in atmo because it has wings, you have to use the wings to turn and not thrusters. It is amazing that they got the flight characteristics right. Fly it in a fight just like an F16 would and you will not be touched. Rotate the aircraft and turn using the wing surfaces and not the thrusters.
thanks, yeah I did do that in a few fights but then it's tough to fight in a way that lets you keep your nose pointed at enemies for more than a pass at a time, and they recharge a bit between passes. I'm still working on figuring out what works best for atmo combat, but so far you can still use space tactics pretty decently on moons since their grav and atmo density isn't that high.
wait how do you turn using the wing surfaces instead of the thrusters? do you fly it around more like a normal aircraft instead of orbiting your target?
Great video! I love the Arrow despite it being as durable as a wet piece of paper. Every time I fly it I always have a tremendous amount of fun.
yeah I'm the same! There's just something about the way it feels in flight that makes it more fun, like it's doing what you ask of it and so you feel like you have more control over the experience. And thanks for the compliment!
Great video brether, Have been using this setup for a while - it's great. Was my first thought once news of the atmospheric bounties came into fruition. Good to see we're on the same wavelength :P
Haha yeah, atmospheric bounties are going to shake up the bounty meta I think, which is nice. I need more time doing them with more ships though :D
@@WingZeroType I'm keen to try a fully gimbaled Esperia Prowler lol, for shits and giggles
@@proneiv Haha so the thing about that is the prowler gets two Size 5 hardpoints, and the difference in dps between S4 and S5 is so big that I'd say always use S5 fixed weapons when you can instead of lowering to size 4, but if it's just for shits and giggles... well then giggle away :D
Very well done. Thank you for the video. I look forward to trying out the atmo bounty's when they make it to live.
Thanks for the kind words! I also can't wait for 3.16 to hit live, it's got a bunch of great bug fixes and hopefully faster more consistent bounty spawns too!
Thanks a lot I just got into star citizen and this guide for the Arrow is perfect for me since I want to upgrade up to the Arrow to do some space pews pews.
That's awesome! Welcome to the game and thanks for checking out my video. If you're new to bounty hunting there's a few other videos you might be interested in:
How to get started with bounty hunting: ruclips.net/video/G8onG31uKrI/видео.html
New changes to bounty hunting coming in 3.16: ruclips.net/video/TQwpljCzF_I/видео.html
Bounty hunting ship fitting guide that contains combat tips at the end: ruclips.net/video/dbXyfxyD7hY/видео.html
@@WingZeroType I appreciate all the help and I look forward to my journeys through space and keep up the good work, your are doing great o7.
Great video man
thank you!
Thanks to you I now realise why I always hated gimbals - I used them with cannons. I always put it down to gimbals being broken and/or bad servers.
Shout out to Spectre as a short range jump drive. I use it on ships I don't intend to take beyond a planet and its moons, maybe some nearby lagrange points, and in return it gives the fastest short range jumps in the game, shaving seconds off which add up over many bounty hunts.
Yeah! In 3.15 gimbals got an update that made them much more usable (they were pretty busted in 3.14). On top of that, they just really don't seem like they work well with cannons... I've tried on a few agile ships now (Talon, Khartu-al, Arrow) and I haven't really ever gotten them to work well for me in that combination. I do like them with repeaters though!
Alright, alright, I'll put gimbals back on my Arrow. I tried gimbals and didn't like them; felt like they just couldn't hit as reliably as I could especially in the Arrow. But you make a good point about atmo flying being a whole new ball of yarn. Great video as always. Keep em comin!
Edit: 5% is correct, I was looking at burst dps...derp.
Haha I'm glad you liked it! And hey, if you don't like the gimbals don't use them! I find that they help me a lot in more agile ships so I liked them in 3.15, and I think I'm going to like them even more in 3.16 as atmoflying is like wrestling a 3-headed hydra while being kitted out in cotton armor.
High yoyo, immelmann are all useful maneuvers in atmo.
People with a pure space sim background often fixate on always pointing the nose at the target without the concept of lag/pure/lead pursuit.(since angle of attack is basically not a factor in space)
Knowing when NOT to point the nose at the target is key to preserving energy, and getting more firing time on target when you do set up the maneuver.
Use the vertical component to your advantage. When you have more energy than your opponent, a climbing spiral helps bleed off speed and tighten your turn, while your opponent can't keep up, making them the perfect target.
When your opponent have significantly more energy than you, a downward spiral makes them overshoot.
Hopefully this is helpful to someone out there. o7
Definitely! my knowledge of air combat maneuvers is pretty novice but it definitely is useful! thank you!
I feel like these ship's are way too arcade-y in atmosphere to take advantage of energy mgmt techniques with these wildly unrealistic flight models. All these ships are capable of exiting atmosphere on there own, surviving ship disintegrating structural strain, and your character can sustain God tier g-forces so energy and vertical considerations seem overly devalued if simply not worth the extra consideration. What do you think?
@@TomOliverez You are impacted by gravity in atmosphere, so especially if you're in a slightly larger ship which is less agile you can take advantage of some of these things a bit better by slowing movement while going "up" and increasing movement taking advantage of gravity while going "down". But yeah generally I think you're right.
Not sure if High yoyo still useful in here, in traditional air to air combat you need it to preserve energy while prevent overshoot, but arrow in this game has much better thruster force to weight ratio and maneuverability which allow it to almost instantly gain or lose speed, you could just keep point at the enemy while holding s and gain the speed back up when you complete the turn.
Love your content, bud.
Thanks so much! I appreciate you checking out my vids and letting me know that you're liking them - really helps make all the time that goes into them worth it!
I've been using the FL-33 cannons and the FL-11s and its been working fine (except for some odd things in atmospheric battles where I suddenly drop like a rock), I prefer the manual aspect of locking on but I'll be sure to try out gimballed soon!
If you feel effective with fixed cannons, I'd recommend sticking with fixed ones! I really struggled to make the gimballed cannons work for me, and the fixed ones will do more damage and will at least consistently go where you aim them. Gimballed repeaters were excellent though :)
Id like to see you do some missions with the Defender in Atmosphere!
Thanks! The defender is on my list of ships to buy thanks to atmospheric bounties lol. I've got a couple other videos in the pipe but this will definitely be coming.
Great review! Hoping you'll do one for the Gladius soon as I'm trying to decide which to purchase in-game, the Arrow or the Gladius. Keep up the great content :)
Thank you! And yes the gladius and the Banu defender are next on my list, but I need more time to try out the gladius with all the new changes so I can hopefully give it a fair and insightful review :) in 3.15.1 I'd say the arrow, hands down, but with the atmospheric bounties I'm wondering if it's worthwhile to trade a bit of the arrows higher DPS for the extra shield that the gladius has :)
The Arrow handles way better in atmosphere than the gladius so I can highly recommend it. The only downside to the Gladius is the one shield generator. In every other aspect the arrow is superior to the Gladius.
I fly the Arrow 90% of the time and no other ship gives me the same kicks.
@@WingZeroType what about Arrow vs Hornet Ghost? I'd like to do both PvE bounties AND PvP
@@k1mfor Arrow is the king of PvP due to its agility and speed, all other things being equal. For PvE, its a bit less capable now thanks to its single shield, and I'd definitely prefer the hornet over it. So I guess it depends which one you'd rather excel at :)
1:27 "the best way to do damage now is to have more weapons" can this philosophy be applied to the Anvil Hawk as well im thinking of going all gimballed size 1s.. Also where is the Hawk video for pve bounties?
yep it can! the overall dps loss by going to s1s instead of s2s is pretty minimal. I don't have a Hawk right now since I lost it with the 3.15 wipe, but I have one concern with it and that's its really low hull hp. In space, this was less of an issue because the hawk was agile enough to avoid most incoming fire, but in atmosphere the lighter fighters are taking some more hits due to the atmospheric resistance slowing them down. The hawk does have 2 size1 shields, but there's a bug right now where laser repeater fire is penetrating shields (when it's not supposed to) so you'll be taking a bit of hull hp even if your shields are up, and that could end up putting the hawk in a bad spot. If you have one and try it out, I'd love to hear how its performing for you, and whether or not you feel like you're suffering from that bug.
I recommend upgrading the power plant to the lowest reponse PP that still provides enough power for the ship. On a S1 ship the response time is 1.5 seconds and can go as high as 15 I believe. It's been a great quality of life change I've made.
for PvE isn't it only an issue on initial startup? For pvp I agree lower startup times can be really helpful in dealing with getting EMP'd.
Great vids! Have you thought about making a setup video. Thanks again.
Thank you! By a setup vid, do you mean one talking about how to fit your ships? I have this one, if that's what you're talking about: ruclips.net/video/dbXyfxyD7hY/видео.html
Hey there Zero, thanks so much for the killer videos you really are one of the main reasons i still play this game and my fighting skills have improved so much. anyways, I've been having a LOT of fun with the 85x Limited fully outfitted & running 4x xj1's as an atmo bounty fighter & GVHRT assist ship. I'd really like you to take one out for a little fun and tell me what your thoughts are?
i chose this setup after I noticed the issues with the Arrow in atmo, but the 85x is almost 20,000kg lighter with very similar pitch/yaw/roll and the 4x distortion cannons make for a really fast & fun fall to the surface! PS breaks work amazing and its a smaller overall target than the arrow in a nose to nose fight and pvp time with it is a lot of fun as well during jumptown & such
Thanks for the kind words! And that's interesting - I haven't actually flown that ship in combat yet, it's one of the very few that i haven't flown but I want to. When you say its a GVHRT assist ship do you mean you are partnering with someone else who can do hull damage to the enemies, since the distortion wouldn't be able to kill any bounties that spawn in space (or bounties that are on moons with basically no gravity?). The rotational pitch/roll/yaw rates don't tell the whole story for ships, there's also translational rates which is how many G's of thrust can the ship output in a given direction, and thats where the Arrow/Gladius really excel as single-seat fighters. I'd expect the 85x limited to be much lower there which means even though it may be able to point to the enemy as quickly as the other ships, it wouldn't be able to move around to position itself as easily. In the current implementation where you can fight multiple really tricky enemies at a time I think it'd be really challenging to pull off but it could be fun. On a ship with 4 guns I'd probably only use 1 xj1 and I'd make sure to gimbal it all but I think the ship should be able to make it happen :) I'm a bit busy with some real-life stuff right now but when I get a chance to get to this i'll let you know!
@@WingZeroType we were 2x gladius + myself
@@adaa60 Oh nice! Yeah then you can definitely play a support role and the fact that the incoming fire is split across 3 ships probably helps a lot with survivability and disengaging if your shield gets low. Did you go for a fully gimballed setup?
@@WingZeroType yea full gimbal since no loss
one thing to consider that no one mentions is that gimbaling weapons lowers their heat dispersion and makes them much more susceptible to overheating. I've noticed that putting giblets size 2 repeaters on a size 3 hard point leads to overheating, while just putting a size 3 repeater on the same hard point has no issues with overheating.
any comments on that?
I've only seen this with the arrow when using laser cannons. I haven't ever overheated repeaters (which is my preferred loadout) so I don't think it's an issue. But for cannons, it definitely becomes a limiting factor, and that's yet another reason I don't like gimballed cannons lol. It matters on a ship-by-ship basis it seems.
For shield, don't use the Palisade. Use the Mirage. It has the same HP and HP/sec as the Palisade (Patch 3.16), but much less heat generated. And for Powerplant, use Slipstream for that low "Power Draw Request Time" of 1.25 sec. And it goes without saying that the QD should be the Atlas.
The voyage actually is a bit faster than the Atlas and can get anywhere in the verse on one tank. It's been my go to since 3.16 where the atlas was annoyingonly out of the way.
Power draw request time doesn't really matter in PvE because you'll never get shut down in combat so I recommend just using whatever comes on the ship as long as it provides enough power.
The palisade has better ballistic resistance so it's a better shield than all the others in 3.16, and I've never had shield heat been a problem with it. Your ship will generate high signature anyway while in combat so it doesn't really make a material difference
Great video as usual man. Really enjoy it.
Because of the new bounties, are you gonna give another quick once over to the other ships you’ve already done?
Thanks a bunch for your kind words! And yeah, I'll probably have to once 3.16 hits Live. The minor issue is I don't have access to too many ships since the 3.15 wipe, but I was able to use the free 15M aUEC on PTU to test a few, the Banu defender being one of them ;) I'll spend some time flying with the new system with various ships and then figure out the right way to make an update :)
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Good stuff man. Really looking forward to it. I probably don’t have any ships you don’t already have access to otherwise I’d offer you.
@@RaptorThings Thanks a lot! Yeah I have most of the common culprits for bounty hunting ;) It's more about rounding out the full list just to give more accurate and honest reviews.
For anyone that likes the attrition weapons… THEY FIXED THEM! The damage ramp works now!
whoa is that real? How'd you figure that out? I checked on erkul for live and PTU and both of those are showing the numbers as the same as the other repeaters, whereas back when the heat-based damage ramp worked erkul had that information listed out. I'm skeptical because since the damage ramp is heat-based, this means they'd have to have added heat mechanics back into weapons as well, which is a pretty big change for them to not mention in the the 3.17 LIVE or 3.17.1 PTU patch notes.
@@WingZeroType I’m not 100% sure when I think about it but I do know heat is working because my friend and I both damaged components by not controlling the heat management in PTU yesterday. Maybe not in PU but maybe PTU? I’ll have to test again because now I’m realizing.
Mixed canons and repeaters I found gives some balance two fl11s on the turret don't know if it is better but allows you to fire to keep their Shields from recharging
I prefer to keep all my weapons the same type so I can apply maximum burst when I get into a good position. I also try to keep my attention on the target so that they don't get to recharge their shields anyway. You need 5 seconds of not taking damage before shields start recharging, and ammo will typically full recharge in less than 5 seconds if you have your capacitor set to max weapons!
I try not to mix because of different fire rates but if you found a method to take advantage of that and it works well for you, that's awesome!! Perhaps I'll give it another go and experiment a little.
At 2:03 what is the setting to change the targeting where you put the reticle on the ship and not have to aim ahead if that makes sense
The aiming mode that I'm using is called "Lag PIP" which is something you can manually set. "Lead PIP" is the aiming mode that's on by default and is what you're currently using. You can change them in game by changing the default targeting reticule option in the gameplay settings (first options menu when you go to settings) or by setting a key to toggle between the two modes under "Flight - Targeting/Switch Flight Lead / Lag Reticle (Toggle)" in your advanced keybinds.
some notes about the two:
- Lead PIP's reticule shows you where you should fire your shot so that it will hit the targeted enemy based on how you and the target are currently moving. In this situation, your eyes are likely looking at the targeting reticle which is in front of the enemy.
- Lag PIP makes the reticule show you where your shot will land based on how you and the target are currently moving (it can still miss if the target changes speed/direction after you've fired the shot, same as with lead PIP). In this situation, your goal is to place the reticule on top of the enemy's ship since that's where you want the shot to land. Because of this, your eyes are likely looking at the enemy ship since thats where you're trying to place the reticule, which makes it so that you can better predict and respond to the enemy's actions like turning or changing direction.
- I also prefer lag PIP because with the lead PIP, the targeting indicator only goes green when you're lined up to perfectly hit the target in their center of mass. But with lag PIP, you can see when you're not hitting exactly in the center but you're still going to catch the edge of the target and do damage so you can better decide when it's worth it to shoot or not.
Do you think now with the ION nerf the Arrow is the best for HRTs/VHRTs? Or a better question, what is the best in 3.16 for solo bounties? Great video on the Arrow btw THANKS!
Thanks! IMO, the mantle of "King of Bounty Hunting" is back to the Sentinel after the 3.16 changes. The aiming changes have decreased the effectiveness of both Ares and combined with the additional fuel consumption in atmospheric bounties, that puts the sentinel ahead. I've actually been able to more effectively kill a hammerhead with a sentinel using laser cannons than the Ares Ion.
...oh my. I just tried this setup (flew the Arrow in the asteroids with full cannons, and later, with full (fixed) repeaters). It's amazing! In and out of atmo! I dump the capacitor on the target as I pass, by the time I'm done turning around, the guns have already recharged! And it's agile AF in atmo, compared to something like a Sentinel! The biggest downside to it, as far as I can see, is that it doesn't do much for improving my (limited) aiming skills.
Btw, you mentioned the Banu Defender - what setup would you recommend with it? Fully gimballed as well?
yeah the arrow is great! the biggest downside for me was the low shield amounts, against 4 enemies in VHRTs I had to disengage quite a few times, but hopefully I get better and can become more effective with it in atmo as time goes on :)
For the Defender, I've been liking a full fixed repeater setup, it's agile enough to be able to land its shots without gimbals and not so overly agile that it'll be difficult to aim with your movements, so i've been liking this fit so far. I've tried cannons in the past as well and they are decent but given that VHRTs can contain some light fighters as well, I tend to prefer repeaters unless you've got a S5 cannon on your ship.
@@WingZeroType Thank you!
Man said landing shots with gimbals
There's nothing wrong with using gimbals to help with aim.
Looks like you have the settings disabled that make your character look around as your ship maneuvers?
Yep, I don't like that additional motion so I prefer to turn it off. I feel like it makes it easier for me to fly more precisely and aim more accurately
@@WingZeroType Cool, I'll give it a try!
Hi! I've just started in SC and I love the bounty misions. My first ship is the Avenger Titan but I think I want to upgrade it. I've rented the Warden but it is so slow and cannot change the S5 mount.. What would you recomend me for the next step? Love your vids! Thank you!
Welcome to the verse! And thanks for the kind words, I'm really glad you're liking my vids!
I apologize in advance for this wall of text :)
So the Warden is the slowest of all the vanguards - they all have the same thrust but the warden is about 40% heavier than the others. My starter ship is also the Avenger Titan and I personally went with the Sentinel as my next ship because even though it's slower in maneuvering than light/medium fighters, the firepower and shields that it has are fantastic and it's excellent at NPC bounty hunting missions if you fit it with the S5 laser cannon and S2 MVSA laser cannons. It's hard to get a feel for their firepower with the rented ships b/c (like you said) you can't change the loadout, which is a really important part of setting up a ship for combat. If that type of mobility is just too low for your tastes, then you're looking at light and medium fighters, which will be a bit harder to handle in Atmospheric bounties in 3.16 I think b/c you can't really use as much maneuvering when you're in the moon/planetary atmosphere like you can in space. But in that case, I've been enjoying the Banu Defender (thanks to it's S2 shields, decent agility, and good firepower) but it is pretty expensive at around 2.7M aUEC and the styling is polarizing (you either think its super cool or you hate it lol). I need a bit more experience with different ships in atmosphere before recommending others, since those new types of bounties are a big part of bounty missions going forward. I've used the gladius and the arrow, and I've done ok with both but I've found the lower shields make me have to disengage from the fight more often. That is to say, you can do it with any of the fighters but the small/medium fighters will probably be slower at overall mission completion, even though they're "faster" ships :) The new patch is still early so this could change but my personal preference is currently looking like:
1. Vanguard sentinel
2. Banu Defender
3. Gladius
4. Arrow
5. Hornet
6. Sabre
still need more experience to rank them: Freelancer, Buccaneer, Reliant, Constellations, 100-series, 300-series, 600i, Auroras, Mustangs, Avengers, Hawk, Khartu-al, Talon
@@WingZeroType Thank you so much for your time!!! I think i will follow your advice and save some money in game to buy the sentinel. It will be a grind lol
Do you think is a good idea to pledge the argo cargo the gift me for an arrow, it is not so expensive but would she do the job in space... or the gladius is more money worthing?
@@EndComm So one thing to note is that if you got the referral gift argo cargo, any money you spend to upgrade that cannot be "melted" (aka turned back into credits). You can keep upgrading it to other ships in the future if you want but that money can never be turned back into credits so I would only upgrade that ship to something pretty cheap, personally. Also, the Titan is good enough to keep chugging along through bounties, but you're right, it is a grind lol. The Gladius and Arrow are both good ships though, they're both very agile fighters and really fun to fly. The gladius is a bit more tanky whereas the Arrow does more dps and is a bit more precise, so it kind of comes down to what you prefer. Personally, I think I'll probably prefer the gladius since atmospheric bounties output a lot of dps and having the extra shield is nice since you can't dodge the incoming fire as easily as in space.
How do you get the MFD to stay in view like that ? 😮
There are two settings in the options that you can turn off, one of them is called Pilot Lookahead and the other is zooming in on selected target. Both of those things limit your view of your cockpit MFDs, so if you turn them both off you should get the same type of view that I have. If that doesn't work, you might need to increase your field of view setting under the graphics settings.
Would love to see that atmo fight in 3.17.1, it's way harder when AI is hitting 99% of shots from 3 escorts.
Totally agreed that it's way harder but it's still doable. You have to angle your engagement a bit more carefully (you can't just fly into the center of all the enemies willy nilly) and by performing corkscrews and/or flying decoupled you're able to get the enemy to miss some shots. The Arrow/gladius also do a better job of avoiding incoming fire than many other ships due to their small profiles but I still have to disengage sometimes to recharge my shields if one of the wingmen gets a clean shot at me.
Do you still recommend gimballed weapons? Trying to decide between the arrow and gladius.
Yeah I like gimballed weapons on the arrow since the turret on the back of the arrow is gimballed by default, and you only lose a tiny amount of dps by gimballing the size 3's down to size 2s. But the arrow is so nimble you could easily go fixed weapons as well if you wanted to, and that would give you some greater control in VHRTs when you're fighting valkyries/wardens/hurricanes with their "infinite" size 2 shield bug where the front shield doesn't go down if you hit it head one (since it often registers the damage against the back shield in those cases). In those situations you want to try to hit the back edge of the ship so that your damage is registered against the back hull, and having fixed weapons helps with that type of precision aiming. However, if you're missing a lot of shots anyway might as well go gimballed. With the gladius, I've been using fixed weapons and i'm happy enough with my performance with those that I've kept it fixed, but i don't think there's anything wrong with going gimballed. If you're trying to decide between the two, I think I personally prefer the gladius because it feels more forgiving, and having an extra s2 shield can be really helpful when you're fighting outnumbered and let you recharge shields mid-fight without needing to fully disengage. But there's no wrong answer, they're both absolutely incredible light fighters and I fly them both regularly. The arrow has a bit higher dps but the gladius is a bit chiller to fly thanks to its extra shield.
@@WingZeroType sweet thanks for the amazing reply! I pledged the arrow, 1. Because it’s cheaper and 2. I like the looks more. Used it against some Hrts and didn’t get hit once lol. I like the gimbals and love how nimble it feels. This is only my second week playing so still new to the whole pledging thing and just learned about IAE so I’m pretty bummed I didn’t wait till Anvil day to possibly pick one up with better insurance :(
@@keys299 you're very welcome! And don't worry, you might be able to message support and ask them for a refund if you had pledged really recently. Personally, I think a great way to do it is to buy the LTI Cutter game starter package that's currently being offered and then CCU that to an Arrow. That way, for a total of $75 you get a game package with an Arrow with LTI.
And if you don't want to do that, don't worry. The devs have stated in the past that insurance isn't going to be a big deal, so don't fret if support doesn't get back to you in time. They're often very overburdened during IAE
I put the same guns you got in the loadout side but got less ammo in the repeaters is it because of a other power plant or do you have other repeaters equiped in the combat part?
The power plant that you're using won't affect the power, but the capacitor settings will! In the power MFD in the ship you have the power triangle and if you put the full power to weapons you get more ammo and faster ammo recharge. I typically keep my power set to max weapons for this purpose and only swap it to shields or thrusters when I need to recharge those. I've mapped keybinds in the advanced keybind settings to set max weapon power, thruster power, and shield power to the 1, 2, and 3 keys on the keyboard and on a hat switch on my joystick to make it easy to swap the power around with one motion during combat :)
Also, what's you joystick setup? Planning to do one and would appreciate advice :)
I went with dual Gladiator NXT joysticks, I'm really happy with them. They have more than enough buttons to map everything I need and the quality seems plenty good enough. You can go cheaper or more expensive depending on what your price point is. I started with bindings that were developed by BuzZzKiller in conjunction with Subliminal and then remapped a bunch of stuff based on what I liked and what made sense to me. I ended up with the following: i.imgur.com/KPIBpAm.png This part was actually the most time consuming of the whole process but it was well worth it to have the buttons feel second nature since in the heat of combat you don't want to spend time thinking about what button something is mapped to. Then finally before actually flying in the PU with them I did some Arena commander to get used to them and build a bit of muscle memory. My concern was that I didn't want to have all the downtime of respawning in the PU, but thanks to all the time I spent making good bindings I actually didn't take long at all in AC before I was not dying anymore. Anyway, I hope that helps! BTW, depending on what sticks you get, you can map curves on the axis directly in to the joystick, or by using a 3rd party program. Gladiator NXTs supported flashing the curves into the sticks themselves so that's what I did using their provided software.
@@WingZeroType great, thanks a lot for the details!
I second dual VKB Gladiator NXTs. They are fantastic sticks for the money and are easy to open up and replace parts on.
@@LowKey_YT Yep! I haven't had to replace anything yet but it's just a few screws and you have easy access to everything.
Hey I'm not sure if you would be aware of this kind of information, but I've been wondering for a while if you know the effect larger sized lasers have on capacitor power draw? You keep mentioning "Only a 5% loss to sustained DPS" where the DPS of larger weapons is about a 10-25% increase in damage, so I assume it has something to do with capacitors and how they affect your actual damage performance based on the size of the weapons. I think if it was knowledge you had it would be extremely informative to make a video on that kind of thing!
Hey, yeah the way we know that is that the new version of the erkul website factors the capacitor recharge of weapons into the sustained dps calculations based on power settings. Check it out, it's really cool! dev.erkul.games/ You can also see the total capacitor available to each ship and what their refill rate is, so you can see which ships have stronger capacitors and which ships have weaker capacitors. Most ships within the same size class have the same capacitor but there are some exceptions! You have a good idea though about making a video so that people know about this and how to use it, i'll add that to the list! Thanks!
@@WingZeroType Oh man this is actually game changing, thanks a ton for this information! This is the kind of thing I've been brainstorming on trying to draw estimates for, I never realized the newer version of Erkul had this information. Definitely I think it would make a good video topic though, it's something that would work great for a breakdown for people who either aren't aware of it's existence or are not informed about weapon sizes and how they affect capacitor gameplay.
@@MylesJacobSwie Thanks, and yeah I agree! Also if it wasn't obvious you can drag the capacitor dot around to see how things change when you set things to max capacitor - it's super good!
is the base unmodified arrow viable?
which aiming pip is easier ?
Personally I hate the base Arrow because it's using both cannons and repeaters, which have different projectile speeds. This means you need to lead your fire different amounts for the different guns, and I personally find that really unusable so I would swap the weapons to all cannons or all repeaters. And personally I like lag PIP but you should try them both out and see what you like. It takes a bit of getting used to but once I changed I really love it.
What do you think about gimballed repeaters vs fixed on other ships, in particular the hornet ghost and hawk? Do the ball turret and nose turret on hornet work with gimbal assist?
The hornet ghost can totally go gimballed weapons - swap the nose with the nose and back turrets from the super hornet (you don't need to buy the superhornet, you can just get the turrets in stores for cheap) and then you only need to gimbal the wings. For the hawk, you'd have to drop all your size 2s to a size 1 so you'd lose a chunk of dps so you'd have to play that by ear based on how well you can aim the fixed weapons. I like going fixed on the hawk but if you feel like you miss enough shots fixed that the gimbals lower your time to kill, then that's what you should go with.
@@WingZeroType Thanks. I'll try gimballed repeaters on the hawk. sustained dps with gimballed repeaters is 1035 and 1060 for fixed, not much dps loss. Do you aim at the lead/ lag pip, or at the ship when you use gimbal assist?
@@VoltKraken5555 Yeah the current weapon balance making s1 and s2 weapons so close really helps gimbals out :D I still try to aim my lag pip when using gimbals and I try to make the gimbals do as little work as possible so that they lock faster and stay locked longer. They have a maximum movement rate so the more you help them the better they'll perform!
Wouldn’t distortion weapons be good for atmosphere bounties? Like, you could potentially get their power plant with it and cause them to crash?
distortion do a lot less damage and to disable a component, you would need so much more time. and even then, what would you do after?
Yep you could do that, but I think it would be less efficient than just having a full laser loadout (which does more damage) and just killing them. Also, depending on where the distortion damage goes and how high up in the atmosphere you are, you might not even disable them long enough to make them crash. It's something that I'm considering playing around with but I'm not sure it'll be the most effective loadout.
Hey I wanted to come back and reply to you again because I've had some more time to play around with distortion weapons. I think against hammerheads they're a no-brainer. The ability to shut down the HH makes it so much of a safer and easier kill that I think I'd always use them there.
For VHRTs it's a little bit more on the fence. Against hurricanes, I think they're worth while because Hurricanes have enough hull hp that you will shut them down before they would've died and that actually lets you get a faster kill sometimes because you can land shots more easily and have one less source of incoming damage. The reason I'm not yet convinced it's always the best option is because Valkyries and Wardens actually take longer to kill using distortion vs using a full laser repeater loadout. So in the end the time to kill ends up averaging out roughly the same. I will probably recommend it since it can make hurricanes easier to deal with, and they're the most annoying targets due to their smaller size and high hull hp.
@@WingZeroType I think distortion weapons in general are meant to combat sub-capital to capital ships. Like you said, a full laser load out is much more effective on small/medium ships but you can’t easily destroy a capital ship so shutting down its systems would be more effective.
How do you lock the crosshair on target while shooting?
those are gimballed weapons. The turret on the top of the arrow can gimbal by default, and i added s3 gimbals to the wing hardpoints and added s2 guns to those gimbals so that I have a fully gimballed setup. Then you can press G to toggle your gimbal mode and if you set the guns to "auto" gimbal then they'll automatically lock onto your target if you get close to lining them up! it's a small dps loss to downsize the guns but usually the accuracy increase of gimballing weapons makes up for it for most pilots.
I love the arrow but i really want the 3x s3 back
The arrow is actually doing more damage with the current setup than it would with 3xs3. The gladius has 3xs3 and the arrow is the higher dps ship, since right now with the current state of weapon balance the best way to get more damage is to have more guns :)
@@WingZeroType oh didn’t knew that, thx. It fellt weak but i should look closer
Hello, I have a question, if I uprgrade the ship that was include in the starter pack, am I going to lose the game or what ?
Hey great question! you can upgrade the ship that came with the starter pack and you won't lose the game, so you can upgrade without fear. One thing you should be cautious about is "melting" a ship that came with the starter pack (which means turning it into store credits) because then you will lose the game. But if you're just doing an upgrade you'll be fine
Thanks for the review man. I have a question the new atmospheric bounties will be random when you select a group VHRT or you have to select them as atmospheric bounties? Do they pay any different from space bounties?
Just like in 3.15, you'll get one bounty of each difficulty available to you, and it'll be random whether or not a given bounty spawns as atmospheric or not in Hurston and Crusader space. In microTech and ArcCorp they're always atmospheric. I go into a but more detail on how they work in my previous video (ruclips.net/video/TQwpljCzF_I/видео.html) if you're curious, but the payouts are the same. You can tell by reading the mission description whether or not the bounty is in space or on a moon/planet, but you can't decide what type of mission becomes available. I hope that helps!
Edit: sorry I just saw you specifically asked about group bounties, for those I'm not sure... I haven't done those yet on PTU - sorry!
Hey I played some more today and got the group bounty contract missions in crusader space (It wasn't showing up for me in ArcCorp or microTech space). The group bounty I did had 2 bounties on moons and one in space, so it looks like group bounties will have a random combination of both!
@@WingZeroType In the atmosphere of the moons?Lol i guess no more quick money grind -.-. *Throws away the bounty hunter's helmet and wears the miner's hat*
@@AndreasNK hahaha yeah, we'll have to see how it pans out. I just killed a hurricane in my sentinel and it was still pretty easy, so as long as the QT markers show up I think it could still be pretty profitable to bounty hunt, with the right ship ;)
Do one comparing the Delta and the arrow in atmo?
Thanks for the idea! Yeah I'm thinking of doing one talking about a bunch of ships in atmo, but I need to get some more ships first lol.
@@WingZeroType could just melt and use credits to compare starters and other ships for sale. Then just use buyback to buyback whatever you melted
@@bamcorpgaming5954 I think when you buyback you don't get the CCU benefit though, right? If you've done a bunch of CCU chains to a specific ship, will you be able to buyback that ship at the same price?
@@WingZeroType unfortunately no. CCU chains can't be bought back iirc
@@bamcorpgaming5954 ahh... well then i can't do that b/c my ships are pretty heavily CCU'd lol
how is it good balance to have size 1-4 weapons do the same damage? LAWL??
they don't do the same damage but they are much more similar. This isn't the final phase of balancing, but as the first part of the rebalance they made some aspects of all the weapons uniform and then they'll add variations once they are happy with the base balancing. This is an alpha so we're seeing the live development of the game, not the finished product, and that's something we need to be cognizant of when looking at things.
@@WingZeroType true. But math guides these things. I've developed shield values and weapon values for things before. You don't start making them near all the same on the way to a balance or a scale. It's math. You work out how long would we want a size 3 shield to hold against 4 size 3 guns if one size 3 gun does x damage. If it was under sustained fire. Then you go from there and account for attack passes. Dog fighting. Missing. Recharging and you can get an idea how long an averaged involved engagement would last based on your math
@@thirdworldrider6991 right and i'm sure they're getting a lot of real-world data from the current phase of the balancing. It took them effort to change all the values back to being relatively the same, so I doubt they'd do it if they didn't find it useful in some way.
could you re-review the gladius?
Yep it's on the list! That and the Banu defender :)
you were using ESP (enhanced stick precision) it makes small corrections in your input to be able to hit the target, i find it bad when using gymbals with stick, this is why you miss so much specially with cannons, your'e welcome
oh thanks, I was never able to figure out what ESP was doing for me. I'll try that next time I'm using gimballed cannons to see if that helps. I appreciate it!
It seems my other comment got lost somehow. Is gimbaled setup really just 5% less DPS? Calculator gives about 14% difference (something like 1400+ gimbaled and 1600+ fixed)
Yeah so I've been looking at the sustained DPS which accounts for the time spent recharging the capacitors as well, since that's a large factor in your total DPS. You can check it out on the new version of erkul at dev.erkul.games/ and move the weapon capacitor to Max weapons
@@WingZeroType that's a good point.
But strangely, in this calc CF-227 Badgers give 958 sustained weapon DPS vs CF-337 Panthers 893! (i kept CF-117s in the turret for both options).
@@GlebVS so I'm getting 851 with the badgers (and i do see 893 with the panthers). Are you sure you didn't misclick something?
@@WingZeroType yes, sorry, doublechecked this and somehow there were NN-13s in the turret in badger config
@@GlebVS haha yeah those are the default, no worries!
Is everyone using gimbeld weapons on the Arrow?
In the current version of the game's balance you lose very little dps by swapping from fixed to gimballed weapons. For me personally, the Arrow is such a fast ship that it takes more of my focus to pilot it with it's faster maneuvering capability so I appreciate having some aim assist on the gimbals. Otherwise, I end up focusing much more on lining up my aim perfectly and end up being a bit stationary in my maneuvering to help the aim a bit more, which wastes the arrow's greatest strength.
@@WingZeroType Cool cool thx alot. yea somehow i got one for free ^^ upgraded my package, and now i own one. i did change the weapons on my Hawk what i buyed ingame to Fix weapon and like it. But then im gonna test te Arrow with its original Settup. Im still searching a Ship who is able to kill the Idris :) i managed to get the shield down with my Hawk,, after 20 minutes haha.
@@rogerstalder7184 whoa you're trying to take out an Idris by yourself! That's a big task! You probably want to maximize your dps so I'd go with a heavy fighter most likely. I'm personally partial to the vanguards, but if you have friends with you you'll probably do more damage with a redeemer (although they're not available in-game until 3.17 and they're really expensive). If you're going with the original arrow loadout just be aware that they have mixed repeaters and cannons. That makes it harder to aim since the repeaters and cannons have different projectile velocities. And if you're trying to take out an idris you might benefit from going for a full cannon loadout since they do more dps due to being more capacitor efficient and since your target is giant it's not like you're going to miss your shots lol
@@WingZeroType Hehe yea i noticed that this Idris isnt just a Hammerhead what i can solo in a light fighter. but thats what gonna make me try even more ;) thx for those tips. And there are diffrent Weapons i have no idea what they for. The shatter guns are clear its basicly a Pumpgun weapon. butthe Disruptor Cannons what do they actualy do? or i have seen Neutron Canons like the NN-13. no idea what they for.
@@rogerstalder7184 so all the weapons fall in different categories. Distortion weapons do distortion damage, which can shut down components but don't do any hull damage to ships. Laser weapons are your bread-and-butter all around weapons that have good damage, range, and don't run out of ammo. balistic weapons have very limited ammo but do higher burst dps than laser weapons, don't require capacitor energy, and can partially penetrate shields with their damage and deal hull damage even while shields are up. certain weapons (like pyrobursts and ballistic c-788 cannons) do explosive damage, which can destroy internal components of ships and permanently disable them.
Within each category listed above, there are different options (e.g. neutrons vs other types of laser weapons) but right now those are mostly the same while the weapons are being rebalanced. It's all a bit of a mess right now but that's because they're in the process of fixing it and trying to give each type of weapon it's own unique feel and characteristics in a balanced way. I'm not sure when they'll make more progres on that, but for now you mostly can stick with laser repeaters and cannons, unless you want to add in some distortion weapons (as a supplement to your laser loadout) to disable enemies as you're fighting them. This can be useful against more challenging targets... but I'm not sure how long it would take to disable an Idris.... probably a very long time lol
What repeaters are you using??
I typically use CF-series repeaters since they're the cheapest, and the s2 badgers are also the most accurate repeaters in the game since they have slightly less weapon spread than the NDB or attrition repeaters. In 3.16.1 the dps of all the repeaters are pretty much the same so you can really just use whatever you already have on hand, or you can use the NDBs if you like the blue projectiles, or if you want to get the slightly better accuracy for the S2s you can get the CF-badgers. for S1 and S3s, it's all the same for all the repeaters.
@@WingZeroType thanks man!!
you using kinda the wrong pip for the gimbled weapons
a PIP is just a preference thing, it won't change how well the weapons can actually hit the target. I'm very used to a lag pip and aiming my ship so that the cursor is on the enemy's ship and gimballed weapons work fine with it
Thank fuck they're nerfing gimbals in the near future. Hopefully they won't work on light fighters soon, nothing with that much maneuverability should have that much auto-aim.
Now they just need to cut the hardpoint sizes on the Arrow and Gladius by 1 across the board, and reduce the capacitor on each by around 25% and they'll be doing pretty good.
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And knock a shield generator off the Gladius if they're gonna keep it as agile as it is.
hmmm I think your suggestions go too far, but I wonder if some hardpoints decreases can help solve the issue. The thing is the ships are probably hardpointed for whatever ideas they're thinking of related to physicalized damage and armor, and the balance that will ensure after that. Gimbals will also have a much bigger implicit nerf when that happens since theoretically a lower sized weapon can't punch through armor as effectively, so the dps loss is more significant. I agree the gladius feels quite tanky with 2 shield generators, but I think it'd be a bit too flimsy with just 1. In that situation, you'd also fly the arrow since it has more dps, is more agile, and it's smaller (so more survivable).
Wait how do you go into G-LOC in space?
The arrow is ultra-agile so it can pull a lot of Gs if you're turning while thrusting hard in multiple dimensions - in space it's even easier to hit high G levels because there's no atmosphere to push through. The G's aren't being generated by gravity, they're being generated by the thrust of your engines and all the various thrusters located around the ship.
@@WingZeroType ok, what happens in the game if you pass out due to g force
@@WingZeroType and you'd think that there'd be inertial dampeners
@@user-fi8sp4dp3u nothing really, your screen just gets darker and goes black for a few seconds and then comes back. I usually pull off the Gs before it goes full black though so I don't know if you get some health damage if you keep pulling Gs
@@user-fi8sp4dp3u well if you pull into a maneuver really hard inerial dampeners won't do anything for you, right? You need to increase your ship's acceleration and you want to do it as quickly as possible (assuming combat maneuvers)
i dunno man, i just put the exact same loadout in to my arrow and i think they mustve nerfed it because im getting a lot less damage output then you
Do you dynamically manage your power? I typically fly with max power set to weapons which gives you a much higher ammo recharge rate, which translates to more damage. That said, they've made enemies MUCH more dangerous in 3.17 since the AI is much more effective with their aiming and maneuvering.
@@WingZeroType oh wow, never thought to do that! thats probably the reason. thanks heaps for replying. O7
I rented an Arrow the other day, amd I love how it flies, but man, the stock weapons are awful
Yeah the stock loadout is so bad... mixed between laser/ballistic and mixed between cannon/gatling. I was going to recommend people rent it to try it and see it's handling for themselves but I couldn't bring myself to get people to do that b/c the loadout is such hot garbage that I can't imagine people liking the ship with it.
@@WingZeroType I'm probably going to get one eventually, but first I'm going for the Vanguard Sentinel.
@@lhhn7245 yep! The sentinel was my first ship buy after the 3.15 wipe :D I'm a big fan
idk why you would go with gymball system when you clearly can easily acquire target on your own
not only you do less dmg but also the guns are smaller so they look a lot worse... Yes seeing how awesome they look is a big part of this game (at least for me hehe)
Thinking your ship looks cool adds 15% damage - it's been proven ;)
going gimbals for the arrow only costs 5% sustained damage, and I think the gimbals locking are adding more value than that 5% lost damage so I like them on this ship. It lets me split my attention to other things like piloting and monitoring my very tiny s1 shield so that I can get ready to disengage of things are about to go badly lol
Fixed weapons all day long
yeah if that's your jam! there's such a small difference between fixed and gimballed now that folks should just use whatever feels better for them in most cases.
Its just a worse gladius to be honest lol
I think it's a bit more precise than the gladius, and it also has more dps than the gladius (at least right now) but yeah we'll have to see how that stacks up once armor is a thing.
@@WingZeroType I own both
@@legobuildingsrewiew7538 yeah me too
The Arrow needs a nerf really. Its still the goto ship. Either this or glad or in pvp you have no chance
Yeah for PvP it definitely seems like it outperforms, but it feels pretty ok for PvE
Why would it need a nerf? It's super maneuverable and small but it can't take a lot of hits.
A bad pilot will die in seconds.
A good pilot will dominate.
That's how it should be.
Really you are flying with your auto aim gimbal... Go manual please.
Why would anyone want to give up that much additional precision for only a 5% sustained dps loss? Folks are welcome to go fixed repeaters if they want but I don't find it worth it since its only giving you 5% more dps.
@@WingZeroType 5% dps more and 95% skill less... lol
@@M4sterClass if you think flying fixed is the only right way to fly b/c gimbals make aiming easier, then so be it. I think gimbals are a great addition to the game as long as their consequences are balanced appropriately. Not everyone is able to hit precise aiming in 3d so giving a lower-dps option for folks to be effective is a great move.