Another thing with the Bradley's is that there was a variant called the m2a2 ods and they are able to carry javelins, with the introduction of fire and forget missiles, that could be really neat.
The javelins are being used by the soldiers tho, unless gaijin implelents a small squad of anti tank infantry which could be deployed its not gonna add anything.
@@STRYKER1467 so how it worked was the reloadable tow pods could be loaded with javelins too, so we could see an M2 Bradley with the ability to fire javelins from the atgm launcher, there's already 2 vehicles with fire and forget missiles. So perhaps the Bradley could be a 3rd
HSTV-L : Not forgetting that its current implementation is missing the xm885 delta 3 and delta 6 apfsds with much more performance than the current xm885, in addition to the HE-p, auto tracker, the correct 0.8s reload and the armor applique that should be composite (supposedly ceramic and kevlar) instead of the current rha. All those features that existed and are documented that are currently ignored by gaijin are essential for hstvl to be competitive in the future of the line.
@@hdehilter9016 yeah, not like the 2s38 is in game and entire 1.3 br lower than the hstv-l but it gets irst, proxy fuse, darts, and a .5 second reload.
All American Abrams variants have DU armor. From the original M1 to the most modern day versions. They all have the same internal DU armor layout. Gaijin's models are trash.
You don’t need to turn the M60 line into a light tank branch. Although the US army stopped using the M60, many new variants of the M60 were developed for the foreign export market. Add things like M60-2000 after the M60A3
Those wouldn't go in the tech tree unless America got a subtree, I decided to use this line for the "alternate tank line" due to how it just stops after the M60's. Seemed fitting to add our light tanks there.
@@lazylime8046what subtree are you talking about? I’m referring to the projects that were proposed to the international market but ultimately no customer wanted. M60-2000 for example was developed by general dynamics land system (American company) that went to compete for the Turkish AMBT program but was never chosen. Since it never entered foreign service, the tank has absolutely no ties with any other country, it’s just American, you absolutely don’t need a subtree for it. I’m not proposing some other M60 variants in foreign service or upgraded by foreign companies (e.g. M60TM, Leonardo M60 upgrade etc.)
@@lazylime8046 And even IF we’re talking about some modified M60s in foreign service such like the Jordanian M60 Phoenix, it doesn’t mean you have to introduce a whole sub tree for the vehicle to be added. It’s already pretty common in game that you have a couple foreign vehicles in your tech tree, but not as a subtree. Germany got the Argentina TAM, TAM2C, JaPz.K A2, Russia got the M53/59 from Czech, Britain got the Canadian ADATS, we have the SK105A2 (Austria) in the French tree, Finish Ito90M added to the Swedish tree long before the Finland tech tree was a thing…… You don’t need a whole subtech tree for a couple foreign vehicles to be added.
For the HEMTT CIWS they would have to add automatic tracking and firing to it like irl so you don’t have to aim. You just lock a target anf press fire and it aims perfectly for you like irl since otherwise I think it would be practically useless.
IRL it will select a target automatically right? i dont think that gaijin will add all of its capabilities. but if they did it would be pretty op automatically shooting down incoming missiles, etc
@@whenlizardsfly Maybe I was unclear. I think how it is in game right now is good except aiming. It shows you a lead indicator but irl a computer aims for you and I think that should be implemented in game for top tier AA's. I think they need that since even with the lead indicator, it's still super easy to miss if the thing you're shooting at is at all moving. Finding and manually tracking targets doesn't really need to change.
Another addition after the HSTV-L could be the RDFLT. Which was the actual production variant of the HSTVL and better in every way. There are also a lot of Abrams prototypes from the 80s to now. Like thumper. CATTB and Abrams X that could be added
The Abrams X is a tech demonstrator, which we won't be adding. I did consider a production HSTV-L but it being added in the first place feels gross, not gonna lie. It was quite a stretch to add it to the tech tree in the first place.
@@saltysteel3996 The Abrams X is NOT a prototype, It's a technology demonstrator, nothing more nothing less. It was only made to demonstrate the capabilities it has to the public.
@@lazylime8046will you add vehicles like Leopard 2a8 to a potential Italian or German concept tree? Since they aren’t yet in service but on order. And they are the only Leopards with active protection system (besides some Leo2a7 can be equipped with it but aren’t)
The m1a1sa the only prem i might buy my dad used to be a mechanic on one and for a short while before retirement he was mainly an amx10rc mechanic but he loved the abrams so much
Yeah it's my favorite Abrams model, so I practically begged for him to allow me to add it to the tree. He didn't talk about the right M1A1SA though, I specified in the notes for the video that it was the American one. Mostly the same thing though, so it doesn't matter too much.
TTB & CATTB are two Abram's prototype tanks I'd like to see. Someone also mentioned a production version of the HSTVL. Other than you seem to nail a potential future ground tree. I wonder if there's any subtrees USA could get?
America could get South Korea unless Gaijin wants to make a United Korea tree, and America could also get Ukraine as a subtree, since there are 120mm models of most Ukrainian tanks in the modern day, and almost all Ukrainian engines and fire control systems are either straight up American or were heavily modified by American engineers, even their 125mm's were enhanced by American companies.
@lazylime8046 that kinda checks out with me...I also just realised you might have skipped over how sepv2 I think started implementing tusk 2 era system which was carried over to v3 and v4. One other thing in terms of subtrees... Japan could get some of the strong SEA nations (Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand etc) if south Korea goes to USA. I'm also still down for CAN, AUS, India subtrees in the UK tech tree. Would balance out the poor chally 2s. France could get Spain and or maybe Portugal as they are relatively close in proximity and apparently closely discuss defence matters. Germany gets Poland, Belgium maybe one or two other euro nations. Sweden gets all the Nordic countries, Denmark, Finland, Norway. Italy, Hungary Romania maybe? Isreal would be abit tricky...maybe slam in the middle eastern nations....Saudi, Iraq, Iran, Qatar, UAE, Turkey. They have some pretty cool modern military stuff desert Chally and Leclerc is 🔥.
@@braedynhoward3644 Yes, but it makes perfect sense for them to go to America. Gaijin's openly stated they're apolitical, and as such when there are very good reasons for a decision, they shouldn't neglect doing it becuase of political reasons.
The M1A2 SEP line would be completely useless changes for as long as Gaijin continues to ignore the existence of the depleted uranium armor. The Abrams would have received the DU hull armor by the M1A2, or the very latest the SEP 1. The fact that they deny its existence now with the SEP in game, none of the other SEPs would have it either. Any other improvement would be nearly useless. There is undeniable evidence of the existence of this DU armor in both the hull and the turret, and no one with half a brain cell thinks the SEPs have the same hull armor as the original 1980s M1 even with its change in hull size, weights used in prototypes, as well as literal unclassified documents that state it uses DU armor in its hull.
Sees the XM8 and the CCVL in the tech tree Me : " why not just put the stingray 1 and 2 instead , wouldn't be copy paste for the event vehicules" (There is so much more than that i can say about this tree , but i felt that's the main point that should have been talked about)
I was in 2nd LAR (light armored reconnaissance) battalion, 0313 on a 25. Not a tank. ATGM’s would not go on the 25, they would need to add the LAV-AT for that but there’s already so many missiles carriers in the game already that it would be kind of repetitive or pointless to just bring in the LAV-AT. They just shouldn’t bother with the LAV’s, they’re fucking terrible and a logistical nightmare. Armor is extremely light and it could stop maybe, JUST maybe a .50 but everything else is going right through it. I’ve only heard of one story in the LAR community of a tank kill with the 25, during the gulf war. He shot a little over 100 rounds of APFSDS-T until finally it got through and took it out
If you could get us in contact, I'd gladly get their insight into it. I can do most research myself but as I'm American, I don't have access to the best resources for non American vehicles. Some nations like India have made an internal plan and vow to make everything public in an easily digestible medium, but most nations have not done any such effort.
@@Niko_rjthe “several vehicle” or “no trailer” rule should be thrown out imo. It only serves to help Russia, which is (pretty much) the only nation that does single vehicle AA systems anymore
I know the AbramsX is a demonstrator model that won't be put into production....but it's just too cool not to have in game. That's my opinion. Same thing for the KF51 Panther.
HEMTT CIWIS wouldn’t make sense for a rank 7 vehicle, it’s just a glorified M163 VADS, And since in the future it will go up against F-35 and other stealth and Supermanueverable aircraft it will stand no chance, I know a patriot sounds overkill but it’s the only thing that would work for USAs rank 8 spaa
the MSHORAD's hellfires look like AGM-114L's, I've also seen footage of the hellfires taking out drones, they could be a good antitank weapon, but they could also be a great weapon against strike drones and Heli's!
Check the documents, SEPv3 had officially it's frontal hull armor upgraded. Sadly again we don't know how much. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ PS. Trophy was already installed on SEPv2
All Abrams variants from the first original M1 with the 105mm cannon, to the most advanced modern day Abrams tanks all have Depleted Uranium armor. War Thunder has the worst Abrams models in the world. The front upper hull plate also shatters sabots, but in game they just phase through like nothing is even there.
I think that since the game has fictional/experimental vehicles, there should be more active protection systems at higher tears that you can visually see. Imagine a light vehicle with active protection. Or more MBT's with active protection rather than just having 1 per tech tree (except Russia who has more). As well as stealth coating for infrared/thermal optics. Or the option to buy camo netting as a more expensive camouflage in the customization menu. I wanna add a camo net and set the anchor points of it so I can put it on and not have it fall off. There can be different kinds of camo netting too! Since camo netting has variants not just color wise but also type. Compare ww2 camo netting to modern day camo netting. I feel like it could be balanced as well like having older camo netting used in more BR's but having higher Tear camo netting used only at high BR's since they're so dense and have the addition of thermal/infrared stealth coating. Hell, I wanna use the mine clearing tanks as a vehicle. I bet those explosives can do some real damage and can shape the battlefield making split second small trenches. That would REALLY spice up the gameplay.
Why the light tanks in the M60 line? That line should go M60A3 TTS -> M60AX -> M60A3 SLEP -> M60-2000. No Stingray light tank? Also I don’t know how you missed out on adding the AN/TWQ-1 Avenger. Some LOSAT armed vehicles should go into the TD line. Lastly I would have added the M2A2 ODS or Bradley COMVAT as a premium.
I didn't add more M60's to America since we didn't really use any more, adding more would be making them a subtree - which we don't do on these kinds of videos. So I used it for the "alternate tank line" instead.
@@lazylime8046 I mean the X, SLEP, and 2000 were all American-made prototype M60s and they should all be represented in the M60 line. All of those light tanks belong in the LIGHT tank line.
@@frankbradley4487 American-made, not american-serviced. And we didn't want to add prototypes that weren't used in the field in service by the US military.
Making the air tree took two weeks of 12 hour work days every day, so I've tried to get a ton of other backlogged stuff out of the way before even attempting the French stuff again.
don't worry I know it take a while to make, and especialy for the french tech tree, you will have a all bunch of research to make, cause it's lacking many vehicule
@@faranghis5671 Thankfully I do have the sworn help of the French community as I did with the air tree, so it's not as bad - it's just a lot of work on my part that I may not have the time for for awhile.
it's pretty crazy how many more things Gaijin can add to the game after 10 years of content...this game easily has another 10 years of content left in the tank...and these tech trees dont even include the possibility of modern bombers being added if Gaijin adds a new game mode...
I'd actually love to do a Turkish air and ground tree. I'll add it to the list! It was already on my radar to work on, but if it's requested more I'll knock it out sooner.
i think even though the patriot missile system is just a regular hemmt carrying an anti air container it could probably still be added, some vehicles are 100% paper anyway so taking some artistic liberty would be nice
The most substantial update it could get is a south korean sub tree. It would either go to the US or Japan, but how Japan handles their history and refuses to take accountability for their wrongdoings I doubt many Koreans would accept it being in the Japanese tree. XK1, K1 Tank, K2 Black Panther would all be very cool, while they have a few light vehicles as well to be added.
Another idea could be to add South Korea as the main nation for a tree that has S Korea + minor SEA nations. Singapore has their own variants of the LEO 2 for instance. Malaysia has the PT-91M. make it like Israel where you have to have rank V for USA unlocked. What do you think? Good idea, or slightly too out there?
They don’t want to give abrams actually du armor because they are afraid of making the Russians gameplay like the nato gameplay is rn( streaks of losses)
@@emperororca9479iirc the type 10 has modifiable armor packages that is currently missing. So maybe they could add different variants with different packages or make it an add on
the CIWS HEMTT will be crap. its huge and super short range, and the 20mm is just a bad round because of raw physics, it doesnt matter how much fancy crap you tack onto it, its a small light round. it wont go as far or hit as hard as a larger heavier round, and its also too small to carry a explosive payload like 35mm or 40mm flak does. id also like to see the M48 Chaparral at some point too in the lower tier with Aim-9Gs for a high tier AA for US, it needs to have the NASAM-3
@@therant311 no it wont. unless its totally automated, even then it wont be very effective.. its the same gun on the M163 VADS and thats crap too. The only advantage this thing has over the M163 is a search radar in addition to a track radar. They wont automate this in game. That wont be enough to justify it outside of something like Br 7.7-8.0, & the 163 needs to go down to 7.0 or 7.3 where it belongs.
@@TheAngriestGamer. do you not see the videos of it intercepting mortars and rockets on RUclips? It could easily intercept bombs or missiles. Automate it to an extent and slap that mf at a convenient BR. It has a place somewhere.
@@therant311 Yes, in preparation for the video I specified that the CIWS would have to be completely automated, as its range is a maximum of like 2.5km or so, and munitions would be approaching too quickly for a human to properly react and aim accordingly. It'd rival the Pantsir in a way, where aircraft can't take down a partly-competent user of the platform, leaving the ground to have to make a trek to the system's location to take it out.
can you pls do the same vid for great brit. cause i know they are lacking of a lot of light tanks and also have some aa's that can fill some gaps all in all it would be VERRY interesting to see that
Yup yup! The tree's been done for awhile but that means I have to go back and update it before he makes a video on it due to how Gaijin decided to implement a couple vehicles.
German ground with polish sub tree please. I would like to see that so hard With Boxer Ifv, Boxer AA(not yet in service but is going into service next year ) Leo2a7, Leo2a8(going to be equipped with active defense system, also not yet but next year in service. And Italy ordered 225 of them too) And I really want to see the Pzh2000 one day. Pt91 Abrams K2 (Would be cool to see you adding t55, t54 and Bmp2 as well so we can get more GDR vehicles)
Adding artillery is super iffy, but if it were to be added it probably wouldn't be in rank 6 or 7, as similar systems in other trees are at lower ranks as well.
the only thing i see in this video is the M1A1's on premium's and Event's lines, it would take 0 skill to go from 0 to 100 in the US tech tree, in my opinion the M1 KVT should be the best thing you can get with US, imagine that 10.3 is already garbage, a 11.3 tank as a premium... Yeah, no. Low Levels are the reason that 8.3-10.3 is garbage, if you get more than 3 low levels your loss is confirmed. or, they should add it but with conditions, like: Already having the Tech tree version Having a certain minimum level, like 60-100 Your account should be X months or Years to buy it, etc.
Bro we know whats gonna happen eventually they are gonna add any tank they can why if tomorrow you say ok the SEP v3 will be added soonish and a year from now it is added of course it was!!!! Every fucking vehicle will eventually be added thier is nothing speculate about...ok this chanell has to go off my list now. Enjoy
@lazylime8046 lol seriously it's not even speculation this game adds new vehicles it's eventually gonna add every vehicle there is within 5 years there will be f22s in this game
Another thing with the Bradley's is that there was a variant called the m2a2 ods and they are able to carry javelins, with the introduction of fire and forget missiles, that could be really neat.
Due to all the missing stuff on the M3A3, I've always jokingly referred to it as the ODS lol
@@lazylime8046 kek, honestly, where's the mre heater???
Yea the desert storm variant wasn't that special. Another 9.7
The javelins are being used by the soldiers tho, unless gaijin implelents a small squad of anti tank infantry which could be deployed its not gonna add anything.
@@STRYKER1467 so how it worked was the reloadable tow pods could be loaded with javelins too, so we could see an M2 Bradley with the ability to fire javelins from the atgm launcher, there's already 2 vehicles with fire and forget missiles. So perhaps the Bradley could be a 3rd
HSTV-L : Not forgetting that its current implementation is missing the xm885 delta 3 and delta 6 apfsds with much more performance than the current xm885, in addition to the HE-p, auto tracker, the correct 0.8s reload and the armor applique that should be composite (supposedly ceramic and kevlar) instead of the current rha.
All those features that existed and are documented that are currently ignored by gaijin are essential for hstvl to be competitive in the future of the line.
that's called Balancing.
Gaijin already talked about it.
@@hdehilter90162s38 ?
@@hdehilter9016 yeah, not like the 2s38 is in game and entire 1.3 br lower than the hstv-l but it gets irst, proxy fuse, darts, and a .5 second reload.
The M1A2 Abrams in the game is technically the export versions since they don't have the DU armor in it
Yup, basically.
All American Abrams variants have DU armor.
From the original M1 to the most modern day versions.
They all have the same internal DU armor layout.
Gaijin's models are trash.
@@saltysteel3996 No, the M1, M1IP, and M1A1 did NOT have depleted uranium armor. That only came with the M1A2 in American service.
@@lazylime8046no the first Abrams with DU was the M1A1HA
@@aflyingcowboy31 correct
You don’t need to turn the M60 line into a light tank branch. Although the US army stopped using the M60, many new variants of the M60 were developed for the foreign export market.
Add things like M60-2000 after the M60A3
Those wouldn't go in the tech tree unless America got a subtree, I decided to use this line for the "alternate tank line" due to how it just stops after the M60's. Seemed fitting to add our light tanks there.
@@lazylime8046what subtree are you talking about? I’m referring to the projects that were proposed to the international market but ultimately no customer wanted. M60-2000 for example was developed by general dynamics land system (American company) that went to compete for the Turkish AMBT program but was never chosen. Since it never entered foreign service, the tank has absolutely no ties with any other country, it’s just American, you absolutely don’t need a subtree for it. I’m not proposing some other M60 variants in foreign service or upgraded by foreign companies (e.g. M60TM, Leonardo M60 upgrade etc.)
@@lazylime8046 And even IF we’re talking about some modified M60s in foreign service such like the Jordanian M60 Phoenix, it doesn’t mean you have to introduce a whole sub tree for the vehicle to be added. It’s already pretty common in game that you have a couple foreign vehicles in your tech tree, but not as a subtree. Germany got the Argentina TAM, TAM2C, JaPz.K A2, Russia got the M53/59 from Czech, Britain got the Canadian ADATS, we have the SK105A2 (Austria) in the French tree, Finish Ito90M added to the Swedish tree long before the Finland tech tree was a thing…… You don’t need a whole subtech tree for a couple foreign vehicles to be added.
idk in what world the m10 booker wouldn't be after the striker
@@lazylime8046 its there
For the HEMTT CIWS they would have to add automatic tracking and firing to it like irl so you don’t have to aim. You just lock a target anf press fire and it aims perfectly for you like irl since otherwise I think it would be practically useless.
IRL it will select a target automatically right? i dont think that gaijin will add all of its capabilities. but if they did it would be pretty op automatically shooting down incoming missiles, etc
@@whenlizardsfly Maybe I was unclear. I think how it is in game right now is good except aiming. It shows you a lead indicator but irl a computer aims for you and I think that should be implemented in game for top tier AA's. I think they need that since even with the lead indicator, it's still super easy to miss if the thing you're shooting at is at all moving. Finding and manually tracking targets doesn't really need to change.
@@Lazeee__ i agree they should make it so you have to select target and fire
the hemtt cwis is also fake so
@@tkdboyjohn76 What?
Another addition after the HSTV-L could be the RDFLT. Which was the actual production variant of the HSTVL and better in every way. There are also a lot of Abrams prototypes from the 80s to now. Like thumper. CATTB and Abrams X that could be added
The Abrams X is a tech demonstrator, which we won't be adding. I did consider a production HSTV-L but it being added in the first place feels gross, not gonna lie. It was quite a stretch to add it to the tech tree in the first place.
A lot of vehicles in game were prototypes and never made it to production, which qualifies the Abrams X for being added to the game in the future.
@@saltysteel3996 The Abrams X is NOT a prototype, It's a technology demonstrator, nothing more nothing less. It was only made to demonstrate the capabilities it has to the public.
@@lazylime8046will you add vehicles like Leopard 2a8 to a potential Italian or German concept tree?
Since they aren’t yet in service but on order. And they are the only Leopards with active protection system (besides some Leo2a7 can be equipped with it but aren’t)
@@lazylime8046lmfao and yet that op 2s38is here setting at br 10.0💀 while that nstvl is setting at max br with half its stats, lol get lost
The m1a1sa the only prem i might buy my dad used to be a mechanic on one and for a short while before retirement he was mainly an amx10rc mechanic but he loved the abrams so much
Yeah it's my favorite Abrams model, so I practically begged for him to allow me to add it to the tree. He didn't talk about the right M1A1SA though, I specified in the notes for the video that it was the American one. Mostly the same thing though, so it doesn't matter too much.
M48a5 is still the vehicle i want the most in the US tree to be added
I would love to see the M60-2000 after the TTS and the M1 TTB as an event vehicle.
US are currently missing a tech tree ATGM carrier like IT-1 or Khrizanteme, we can get LAV-TUA or M1134 Stryker ATGMV in the tech tree.
i feel we would need the M1 Thumper just because its a goofy big gun tank with alot of penetration from the 140mm
TTB & CATTB are two Abram's prototype tanks I'd like to see. Someone also mentioned a production version of the HSTVL.
Other than you seem to nail a potential future ground tree.
I wonder if there's any subtrees USA could get?
America could get South Korea unless Gaijin wants to make a United Korea tree, and America could also get Ukraine as a subtree, since there are 120mm models of most Ukrainian tanks in the modern day, and almost all Ukrainian engines and fire control systems are either straight up American or were heavily modified by American engineers, even their 125mm's were enhanced by American companies.
Taiwan must become a separate tech tree.
@lazylime8046 that kinda checks out with me...I also just realised you might have skipped over how sepv2 I think started implementing tusk 2 era system which was carried over to v3 and v4.
One other thing in terms of subtrees...
Japan could get some of the strong SEA nations (Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand etc) if south Korea goes to USA.
I'm also still down for CAN, AUS, India subtrees in the UK tech tree. Would balance out the poor chally 2s.
France could get Spain and or maybe Portugal as they are relatively close in proximity and apparently closely discuss defence matters.
Germany gets Poland, Belgium maybe one or two other euro nations.
Sweden gets all the Nordic countries, Denmark, Finland, Norway.
Italy, Hungary Romania maybe?
Isreal would be abit tricky...maybe slam in the middle eastern nations....Saudi, Iraq, Iran, Qatar, UAE, Turkey. They have some pretty cool modern military stuff desert Chally and Leclerc is 🔥.
@@lazylime8046 Ukraine e may be... controversial. Obviously.
@@braedynhoward3644 Yes, but it makes perfect sense for them to go to America. Gaijin's openly stated they're apolitical, and as such when there are very good reasons for a decision, they shouldn't neglect doing it becuase of political reasons.
The M1A2 SEP line would be completely useless changes for as long as Gaijin continues to ignore the existence of the depleted uranium armor. The Abrams would have received the DU hull armor by the M1A2, or the very latest the SEP 1. The fact that they deny its existence now with the SEP in game, none of the other SEPs would have it either. Any other improvement would be nearly useless. There is undeniable evidence of the existence of this DU armor in both the hull and the turret, and no one with half a brain cell thinks the SEPs have the same hull armor as the original 1980s M1 even with its change in hull size, weights used in prototypes, as well as literal unclassified documents that state it uses DU armor in its hull.
am i the only one who would love to see the HMMWV with the TOW? i mean for new additions to the game the US lacks in new content(ground) so why not
Also a willies jeep with recoilless rifle for rank V
Instead of the xm8 and ccvl moving I think the xm8 thunderbolt with a 120 should be added and the stingray set of lights
Oh yes i am very excited for devs to add these tanks without realistic stats and nerf them even more after addition
Sees the XM8 and the CCVL in the tech tree
Me : " why not just put the stingray 1 and 2 instead , wouldn't be copy paste for the event vehicules"
(There is so much more than that i can say about this tree , but i felt that's the main point that should have been talked about)
No such thing as SEP v4 pacakages. Maybe they might add the Abrams X which is a technology display just like the british black night
It's brand new, it came out for late 2023 or early 2024. Just started going into production/use
Really enjoy these.
Keep it up
I was in 2nd LAR (light armored reconnaissance) battalion, 0313 on a 25. Not a tank. ATGM’s would not go on the 25, they would need to add the LAV-AT for that but there’s already so many missiles carriers in the game already that it would be kind of repetitive or pointless to just bring in the LAV-AT. They just shouldn’t bother with the LAV’s, they’re fucking terrible and a logistical nightmare. Armor is extremely light and it could stop maybe, JUST maybe a .50 but everything else is going right through it. I’ve only heard of one story in the LAR community of a tank kill with the 25, during the gulf war. He shot a little over 100 rounds of APFSDS-T until finally it got through and took it out
Italy Ground would be cool. I'm sure Nicho from the forums would gladly help out
If you could get us in contact, I'd gladly get their insight into it. I can do most research myself but as I'm American, I don't have access to the best resources for non American vehicles. Some nations like India have made an internal plan and vow to make everything public in an easily digestible medium, but most nations have not done any such effort.
i think a good top tier spaa for the US would be the SLAMRAAM, which was basically a humvee designed to fire SAM converted aim-120s
In this case I wait for S400 for Russia...
SLAMRAAM consists of several vehicles. how will you shoot without a radar
@@Niko_rjhow about the avenger then?
@@therant311 why? Just why, if LAV AD exists?
@@Niko_rj because it exists and would add variety. You really ask that after seeing how many Sherman variants there are?
@@Niko_rjthe “several vehicle” or “no trailer” rule should be thrown out imo. It only serves to help Russia, which is (pretty much) the only nation that does single vehicle AA systems anymore
the updated M8 AGS or the m8 Thunderbolt would be nice light tanks aswell as the Stryker dragoon with the same 30mm on the cv9030 and vbci2 (mct30)
I know the AbramsX is a demonstrator model that won't be put into production....but it's just too cool not to have in game. That's my opinion.
Same thing for the KF51 Panther.
they will at the end, KF51, Armata T-14, Abram X, MGCS etc
HEMTT CIWIS wouldn’t make sense for a rank 7 vehicle, it’s just a glorified M163 VADS, And since in the future it will go up against F-35 and other stealth and Supermanueverable aircraft it will stand no chance, I know a patriot sounds overkill but it’s the only thing that would work for USAs rank 8 spaa
Patriots would be hella cool, they could be used to intercept munitions as well as aircraft
the MSHORAD's hellfires look like AGM-114L's, I've also seen footage of the hellfires taking out drones, they could be a good antitank weapon, but they could also be a great weapon against strike drones and Heli's!
Still waiting to see other nations future ground tech trees. These videos are so good.
In surprised the M60-2000 wasnt before the M10 booker
Check the documents, SEPv3 had officially it's frontal hull armor upgraded. Sadly again we don't know how much. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
PS. Trophy was already installed on SEPv2
All Abrams variants from the first original M1 with the 105mm cannon, to the most advanced modern day Abrams tanks all have Depleted Uranium armor.
War Thunder has the worst Abrams models in the world.
The front upper hull plate also shatters sabots, but in game they just phase through like nothing is even there.
No, no they do not.
But yeah WT does not do the Abrams justice at all.
I think that since the game has fictional/experimental vehicles, there should be more active protection systems at higher tears that you can visually see. Imagine a light vehicle with active protection. Or more MBT's with active protection rather than just having 1 per tech tree (except Russia who has more). As well as stealth coating for infrared/thermal optics. Or the option to buy camo netting as a more expensive camouflage in the customization menu. I wanna add a camo net and set the anchor points of it so I can put it on and not have it fall off. There can be different kinds of camo netting too! Since camo netting has variants not just color wise but also type. Compare ww2 camo netting to modern day camo netting. I feel like it could be balanced as well like having older camo netting used in more BR's but having higher Tear camo netting used only at high BR's since they're so dense and have the addition of thermal/infrared stealth coating. Hell, I wanna use the mine clearing tanks as a vehicle. I bet those explosives can do some real damage and can shape the battlefield making split second small trenches. That would REALLY spice up the gameplay.
Why the light tanks in the M60 line?
That line should go M60A3 TTS -> M60AX -> M60A3 SLEP -> M60-2000.
No Stingray light tank?
Also I don’t know how you missed out on adding the AN/TWQ-1 Avenger.
Some LOSAT armed vehicles should go into the TD line.
Lastly I would have added the M2A2 ODS or Bradley COMVAT as a premium.
I didn't add more M60's to America since we didn't really use any more, adding more would be making them a subtree - which we don't do on these kinds of videos. So I used it for the "alternate tank line" instead.
@@lazylime8046 I mean the X, SLEP, and 2000 were all American-made prototype M60s and they should all be represented in the M60 line. All of those light tanks belong in the LIGHT tank line.
@@frankbradley4487 American-made, not american-serviced. And we didn't want to add prototypes that weren't used in the field in service by the US military.
@@lazylime8046 But yet you added prototype light tanks in that line that weren’t ever fielded by the US military either which makes even less sense.
@@frankbradley4487 We fielded the XM8 lol
I'm hope to see the vid about the future of french tech tree
Making the air tree took two weeks of 12 hour work days every day, so I've tried to get a ton of other backlogged stuff out of the way before even attempting the French stuff again.
don't worry I know it take a while to make, and especialy for the french tech tree, you will have a all bunch of research to make, cause it's lacking many vehicule
@@faranghis5671 Thankfully I do have the sworn help of the French community as I did with the air tree, so it's not as bad - it's just a lot of work on my part that I may not have the time for for awhile.
Can you do a future US air tech tree
it's pretty crazy how many more things Gaijin can add to the game after 10 years of content...this game easily has another 10 years of content left in the tank...and these tech trees dont even include the possibility of modern bombers being added if Gaijin adds a new game mode...
Excelent video ! Will you do this kind of video with the german ground tech tree as well ??
Is the Turkish tech tree possible or which nation would it be a subtree belonging to?
Probably Italy or US.
I'd actually love to do a Turkish air and ground tree. I'll add it to the list! It was already on my radar to work on, but if it's requested more I'll knock it out sooner.
The Stingray light tank would be nice.
i think even though the patriot missile system is just a regular hemmt carrying an anti air container it could probably still be added, some vehicles are 100% paper anyway so taking some artistic liberty would be nice
i know it needs a radar vehicle (in real life) but maybe they can add a magical (invisible) radar somehwere
nice! Cant wait for the US Air tree, cant wait for whats to come
these videos are great , could you do german air (most are lend-lease for DDR)
We already did a German air tree redux! ruclips.net/video/eyUapt7JjF4/видео.html
American mains when they get another abrams to add to their lineup
Love these style of videos
The most substantial update it could get is a south korean sub tree. It would either go to the US or Japan, but how Japan handles their history and refuses to take accountability for their wrongdoings I doubt many Koreans would accept it being in the Japanese tree.
XK1, K1 Tank, K2 Black Panther would all be very cool, while they have a few light vehicles as well to be added.
Another idea could be to add South Korea as the main nation for a tree that has S Korea + minor SEA nations. Singapore has their own variants of the LEO 2 for instance. Malaysia has the PT-91M. make it like Israel where you have to have rank V for USA unlocked. What do you think? Good idea, or slightly too out there?
I think china would make sense. DPRK and ROK, we already have ROC and PRC in one tree
All I want is the m-shorad
CATTB isnt coming for US ????
where is m60 AMBT they said it will came to techtree
Its in the premium section
M60T is the real M60 AMBT
They don’t want to give abrams actually du armor because they are afraid of making the Russians gameplay like the nato gameplay is rn( streaks of losses)
Why is there no CATTB, TTB, Abrams X ?
We didn't want to add prototypes and tech demonstrators that weren't absolutely necessary.
There's already a lot of prototype vehicles in game which qualifies these vehicles being added.
These vehicles are too modern. We would never get the specifications right.
For the Chinese video you can mention this beauty WZ-551
Finally a reason to resume grinding the us
Honestly I'd say still don't, nothing American has been implemented correctly in the ground tree for years, it's all cucked to all hell.
still hate that the AIM is in the american tree even though every other aussie vehicle has been in britan
If you making a air tech tree for us would you add the f-20 tiger shark becuse the yak-141 is a failed aircraft and it’s in the game
New thermals and armor? You want a trophy system too! It's not 13:22 going to happen. Only soviet trees get good stuff like armor. 😂
I would love to see the M109, but I don't think it fits the game
I’m excited so see what Japan can get, these vids are always nice
Nothing more for top tier, maybe AA
@@Niko_rj Maybe if the type-10 worked it would be better lmao
@@emperororca9479iirc the type 10 has modifiable armor packages that is currently missing. So maybe they could add different variants with different packages or make it an add on
the CIWS HEMTT will be crap. its huge and super short range, and the 20mm is just a bad round because of raw physics, it doesnt matter how much fancy crap you tack onto it, its a small light round. it wont go as far or hit as hard as a larger heavier round, and its also too small to carry a explosive payload like 35mm or 40mm flak does.
id also like to see the M48 Chaparral at some point too in the lower tier with Aim-9Gs
for a high tier AA for US, it needs to have the NASAM-3
The CIWS hemmt could intercept incoming missiles and bombs which would make it good for defending against already released munitions.
@@therant311 no it wont. unless its totally automated, even then it wont be very effective.. its the same gun on the M163 VADS and thats crap too. The only advantage this thing has over the M163 is a search radar in addition to a track radar. They wont automate this in game. That wont be enough to justify it outside of something like Br 7.7-8.0, & the 163 needs to go down to 7.0 or 7.3 where it belongs.
@@TheAngriestGamer. do you not see the videos of it intercepting mortars and rockets on RUclips? It could easily intercept bombs or missiles. Automate it to an extent and slap that mf at a convenient BR. It has a place somewhere.
@@TheAngriestGamer. the m163 doesn’t have the self detonating ammo, does it? You live up to your username.
@@therant311 Yes, in preparation for the video I specified that the CIWS would have to be completely automated, as its range is a maximum of like 2.5km or so, and munitions would be approaching too quickly for a human to properly react and aim accordingly. It'd rival the Pantsir in a way, where aircraft can't take down a partly-competent user of the platform, leaving the ground to have to make a trek to the system's location to take it out.
can you pls do the same vid for great brit. cause i know they are lacking of a lot of light tanks and also have some aa's that can fill some gaps
all in all it would be VERRY interesting to see that
Yup yup! The tree's been done for awhile but that means I have to go back and update it before he makes a video on it due to how Gaijin decided to implement a couple vehicles.
You have to do ussr next
Can you do the swedish ground tree? Im wondering if they could get LVSytem 103 and the archer artillery system
It's on the list, but there's a lot to do before making more ground trees.
pls do the german tech tree
Still waiting on the tow humvee
When us get f 22 boi gah dam
gaijin would make so much money from a premium Bradley
German ground with polish sub tree please. I would like to see that so hard
With
Boxer Ifv, Boxer AA(not yet in service but is going into service next year )
Leo2a7, Leo2a8(going to be equipped with active defense system, also not yet but next year in service. And Italy ordered 225 of them too) And I really want to see the Pzh2000 one day.
Pt91 Abrams K2
(Would be cool to see you adding t55, t54 and Bmp2 as well so we can get more GDR vehicles)
We won't be adding subtrees to these videos unless they're already present.
No humvee?
so much is missing from this one
So you dont think we will get the M109 Paladin?
Adding artillery is super iffy, but if it were to be added it probably wouldn't be in rank 6 or 7, as similar systems in other trees are at lower ranks as well.
@@lazylime8046 You are probably right. Still, think it would be fun to have all different types of meme vehicles even if they wont fit the meta.
Men this comment age very well
Can't wait for the Soviet
I need more objects
We need t90m and t14 armata
Same!
there will be a lot of work on it
@@Niko_rj Probably, I mean he’s gotta do American Air tech tree before he can do Russian Ground tech tree
hoping to see uk tree soon or later
Israel ground tech tree maybe?
please Germany Ground next
Do it for german tech tree pls
After the American tech tree. we need the German
Where abrams X
can u do germany ground
source?
What about german?
Then rank 8 will have the abrams x there 🤷🏻♂️
if ciws was add in the game, radar need to be more accurate.
ciws is in the game, but they dont target bombs or missiles for some reason.
the only thing i see in this video is the M1A1's on premium's and Event's lines, it would take 0 skill to go from 0 to 100 in the US tech tree, in my opinion the M1 KVT should be the best thing you can get with US, imagine that 10.3 is already garbage, a 11.3 tank as a premium... Yeah, no.
Low Levels are the reason that 8.3-10.3 is garbage, if you get more than 3 low levels your loss is confirmed.
or, they should add it but with conditions, like:
Already having the Tech tree version
Having a certain minimum level, like 60-100
Your account should be X months or Years to buy it, etc.
Thats all useless if they didnt buff the rp gain, imagine, ARB rp gain is x2 GRB
Please make Germany next
They won't be next, but I do want to start work on them soon.
Holy hell is this real?
No M1A1FEP : l
Pls next Soviet
i hope M60T will be in M60 line.
Its M1s all the way down.
Do Sweden
CIWs would be worst than the ADATs lol
No it wouldn't, it's just not for anti-aircraft work. It's anti-munitions.
@@lazylime8046 that'd be so trash in war thunder
@@sirhayden5516 How so?
@@lazylime8046 CIWs was made to kill slow moving rockets and mortar rounds. and plus it'd be worthless at killing high flying planes
7 premium abrams ok blud
You mean M1A2C
Is there a video about GROUND Russia ?
hemtt ciws is fake and this list is missing the M109 howitzer tank
german one pls
That would actually be quite fun, but I don't have the time right now to dedicate to it. In the future it's for sure planned, just not right now.
@@lazylime8046 what
@@platinumpanzer5900 What?
Patriot system
Russians ground next!
Need the soviet ground asap
Bro we know whats gonna happen eventually they are gonna add any tank they can why if tomorrow you say ok the SEP v3 will be added soonish and a year from now it is added of course it was!!!! Every fucking vehicle will eventually be added thier is nothing speculate about...ok this chanell has to go off my list now. Enjoy
lol what
@lazylime8046 lol seriously it's not even speculation this game adds new vehicles it's eventually gonna add every vehicle there is within 5 years there will be f22s in this game
U.S. plane tree 😅😅😅