Its at 12.3 because it only has 4 missiles and the super 530 is the worst of the SRH missiles. You know this already. You have already discussed all the reasons why it is lower BR. Yes, the Mirage 2000 has an outstanding flight model. But that only maters in the hands of a skilled pilot who is very good at dogfighting. That is not the vast majority of players. This is why you don't see a lot of people using it. Most players want to sling missiles and get easy kills at range. You can't do that as well with M2K. You have to know how to dogfight to use M2K. This is why it stays at lower BR.
Super 530D's are better than AIM-7M's, Magic 2's are better than AIM-9L's, trading 2 IR missiles for IRCCM is the compromise. Super 530D is the best sub-12.7 radar missile other than the Aspide and Skyflash superTEMP which are both limited by the planes carrying them. Most players don't sling missiles and get long range kills at 12.3, the only sub-13.0 plane that does that is the Iranian F-14A. If the Belgian F-16A is 13.0 with just AIM-9M's, the Mirage-2000C can be 12.7.
@ It doesn't have HMD and the F-16A's fm isn't that much better. It only has 60 countermeasures at 13.0 and you can't take BOL pods with sidewinders so you're forced to sacrifice one of your sidewinders.
@ The JAS-39A is very similar to the Belgian F-16A in that it's a 13.0 AIM-9M slinger but it has 720 countermeasures (without having to sacrifice sidewinders), an HMD, and a better flight model.
I would say c-s5 could be 12.7 cuz of amount of countermeasures but c-s4 should be 12.3 by that its hard to fly high with that by 36 counters vs a lot of fakours, phoenix, r-24r, aim7f dont mind just barrel roll
@ I know I have both lol and you realize the mirage 2000 s5 wouldn’t not be a good jet anymore at 13.7 wouldn’t even be fair at all look at how the mirage 2000D performs lol trust me I know what I’m talking about
@@lilMungo I trust that you don't know what you're talking about. The Mirage 2000 C5 has a 12.7 flight model, IRCCM missiles and good SARH missiles. It's OP.
You’re off base I have to be honest the Mirage is perfect where it’s at that plane is very hard to understand and very hard to employ properly. I see a lot of mirage fighters who are completely oblivious if you ambushed them from top it’s an almost guaranteed kill also the stock grind in this BR would be impossible on an up tier
The M2K would have a higher BR if people knew how to play it. Gaijin has tuned the game towards inexperienced players; it’s why the F-14 is as high as it is, and the M2K sits at 12.3 while the F1CT is just 0.3 lower.
YEA it'zs an amazing aircraft but try stock grinding it is hell to get through with a stable mind however once finished it is an incredible jet ive got 800+ kills with it
Its good for 12.3. 13.3 is the max u can get right, and its fair, its ok. But with more amraam and ARH slingers, u are useless for example in the C-S4, cuz the lack of flare/chaff... Maybe even with the C-S5. The 12.3 is perfect for it. I literally fight the new kfir, r77 slingers, and a lot of 13.0 and 12.7. Its on the right place. Both the CS4 and 5. You dont have to complain about this jet. If this has to be moved up, then do the same with 12.7 and 13.0s too.
I don't think it's OP, I think the other jets at 12.7 like the mig-29 either need the R-73 or they need their BR reduced to 12.3. The reason why it's not OP is simply because it only has 4 average missiles, dogfighting is just not that important at top tier, you can only do it at the end of the match otherwise someone else is just going to ram a missile up your rear. You can get far more kills with 8 missiles than you can with 4 missiles and a plane that turns better.
It should be same br as the f16 at 12.7 id gladley trade 4 9ls for 2 magics just cause of how much superior they are. Sure youll probably get less kills but the irccms make up for it
The F1 its at 12.0 only for the 2 magic 2 and maybe the countermeasures, the rest of the kit is terrible, special mention to the 4 directions RWR, the same one that some 9.3 planes have, wile facing fox 3.
It’s obvious that this jet is completely broken at 12.3 (and was even more broken back I the days at 11.7), whoever thinks differently - just check KD of those players who have this jet and you’ll see that literally everyone, even the worst ever players have ~2x higher KD in this jet than their average which tells that this jet is undertiered asf. I for instance have average 2.5KD in RB and 2.2 in sim but in this jet I have 4 KD in RB and 5 in sim. Basically it is the fastest jet of its BR, it has the best IR missiles in the entire game (at its BR 2 Magic 2’s are always 2 free kills), it has the 3rd best FM in the game and the best FM at its BR, it has the 2nd best radar of its BR, the best RWR at its BR etc so no jets of its BR can outrun or win DF or win missile fight against it so it has to be moved to 12.7
Comparing to it's own BR it's radar is worse than f-4ej kai(f-16 radar) and bison in terms of target aquisition, FM is the best but it doesn't matter that much in missile hell these BR's at, as well it's high speed pull rate is abysmal compared to both(above about M0.8-0.7). Magics 2 are amazing ngl but again, there's r-73 on bison which is debatably as good(better for dogfights, less stable for range) and it has HMD to fully utilise their insane pull. 530D's are the best on paper, but: 1. ej kai has four 7f's so double the lethal potential, and while r-27r are worse in terms of speed, it has inertial guidance and datalink, which allows you to loose your lock for a moment. 2. Being the worst radar out of these three planes it's just harder to utilise them. But it is the fastest one. And the addition of MAW is nice. Also the best CM package. But, overall compared to it's own BR, excluding assortment of attackers, it's on par with others. Also - KD of minor nations usually higher than main nations and ofc premiums.
I love the fact that 90% of the french nation is vehicle to high in BR, and yet people have good KD, because obly french and good player plays them. So they get higher. M2kC is good, and hopefully. The mirage f1c sucks so much. Shitty FM in the game, only 2 proper missiles. 1 plane is a shit hole, and the other is good. Come on
Mirage F1C-200's radar missile are very chaff eating machines because of pulse seekers. This mirage uses the more modern 530D which is chaff resistant because of CW seekers. In addition, 530D is more agile but slower than a sparrow.
Mirage 2000c should go up to 12.7, not the event one which is the mirage c-s4 it only gets a total of 34 total countermeasures and doesn't have hmd/hms
people that type here in coments that the plain is broken bla bla bla you are just brain dead if you tell me that this plain is op ok ok i buy it but then i ask you what can you tell me of this plains mig 21 bison f14 a yak 141 italy av8bplus(13.0) f4 ice(13.0) when we talk abot this plains that make the player bether we can talk about plains that players make bethe(+ its a premium killer aka brandead killer)
@@qltcn you probably dont play it to be saying that, it beats pretty much every 4th gen fighter in game in a dogfight, has one of the best top speeds etc. It only lacks engine power
Would you rather be in a tornado with 2 missiles and terrible flight performance or mirage 2k with miles better flight performance and 2 more missiles?
Its at 12.3 because it only has 4 missiles and the super 530 is the worst of the SRH missiles. You know this already. You have already discussed all the reasons why it is lower BR. Yes, the Mirage 2000 has an outstanding flight model. But that only maters in the hands of a skilled pilot who is very good at dogfighting. That is not the vast majority of players.
This is why you don't see a lot of people using it. Most players want to sling missiles and get easy kills at range. You can't do that as well with M2K. You have to know how to dogfight to use M2K. This is why it stays at lower BR.
Super 530D's are better than AIM-7M's, Magic 2's are better than AIM-9L's, trading 2 IR missiles for IRCCM is the compromise. Super 530D is the best sub-12.7 radar missile other than the Aspide and Skyflash superTEMP which are both limited by the planes carrying them. Most players don't sling missiles and get long range kills at 12.3, the only sub-13.0 plane that does that is the Iranian F-14A. If the Belgian F-16A is 13.0 with just AIM-9M's, the Mirage-2000C can be 12.7.
Skyflash on the Gripen is the worst SARH missile, Skyflash isn't even competitive at 12.0 but the Gripen is 13.0.
@@BENKYism Cause it has 6 AIM9M's with HMD and better flight performance???
@ It doesn't have HMD and the F-16A's fm isn't that much better. It only has 60 countermeasures at 13.0 and you can't take BOL pods with sidewinders so you're forced to sacrifice one of your sidewinders.
@ The JAS-39A is very similar to the Belgian F-16A in that it's a 13.0 AIM-9M slinger but it has 720 countermeasures (without having to sacrifice sidewinders), an HMD, and a better flight model.
45 years of Mirage 2000 in 2023.
mig 29: "we cant give it fov irccm because it will be too op on a fighter"
meanwhile m2k
the mirage 2000 c5 is hella fun, currently my fav plane in the game rn
I would say c-s5 could be 12.7 cuz of amount of countermeasures but c-s4 should be 12.3 by that its hard to fly high with that by 36 counters vs a lot of fakours, phoenix, r-24r, aim7f dont mind just barrel roll
Yeah no…..
@@lilMungo 34 countermeasures on the C4 vs 50 countermeasures and 48 chaff on the C5
@ I know I have both lol and you realize the mirage 2000 s5 wouldn’t not be a good jet anymore at 13.7 wouldn’t even be fair at all look at how the mirage 2000D performs lol trust me I know what I’m talking about
@@lilMungo I trust that you don't know what you're talking about. The Mirage 2000 C5 has a 12.7 flight model, IRCCM missiles and good SARH missiles. It's OP.
@@lilMungo How is F-14A with AIM-9H's at 12.7 any less fair?
idk i like 12.3 as its BR
yea now face it in a F-4E
Its compeable to f16a block15 but you get less irs but better ones
Actually grinding rafale and i play 24h hours non stop 💀
You’re off base I have to be honest the Mirage is perfect where it’s at that plane is very hard to understand and very hard to employ properly. I see a lot of mirage fighters who are completely oblivious if you ambushed them from top it’s an almost guaranteed kill also the stock grind in this BR would be impossible on an up tier
The M2K would have a higher BR if people knew how to play it. Gaijin has tuned the game towards inexperienced players; it’s why the F-14 is as high as it is, and the M2K sits at 12.3 while the F1CT is just 0.3 lower.
The mirage 2000 struggles in up tiers, it should go 12.7 but shouldn’t meet 13.7 fox 3.
F-16A with 6 AIM-9Ls?
@ it has 6 missiles but yes it should be 12.3.
@@lamafrance1390 it is insanely good at 12.7
Please don't jinx us. Let us have this treat.
11.3 is painful again these thing. 12.7 would be nice but it could put the mirage in a bad spot in an up tier.
YEA it'zs an amazing aircraft but try stock grinding it is hell to get through with a stable mind however once finished it is an incredible jet ive got 800+ kills with it
Stock grind wasn’t that bad for me. After getting magic 2s it’s a breeze and magic 1s aren’t that bad either.
1700+ here 😊
@@progy7 there the last thing u can unclock so yea it does get pretty easyafter that
If that thing is any higher it will get washed, every time I encounter it I always win.
Its good for 12.3. 13.3 is the max u can get right, and its fair, its ok. But with more amraam and ARH slingers, u are useless for example in the C-S4, cuz the lack of flare/chaff... Maybe even with the C-S5. The 12.3 is perfect for it. I literally fight the new kfir, r77 slingers, and a lot of 13.0 and 12.7. Its on the right place. Both the CS4 and 5. You dont have to complain about this jet. If this has to be moved up, then do the same with 12.7 and 13.0s too.
I don't think it's OP, I think the other jets at 12.7 like the mig-29 either need the R-73 or they need their BR reduced to 12.3.
The reason why it's not OP is simply because it only has 4 average missiles, dogfighting is just not that important at top tier, you can only do it at the end of the match otherwise someone else is just going to ram a missile up your rear. You can get far more kills with 8 missiles than you can with 4 missiles and a plane that turns better.
it is at 12.3 bc of compression. same with the mig21 bison
I have the f-20 and the mirage 2000C and for me the m2kc is better in every way than the f-20
It should be same br as the f16 at 12.7 id gladley trade 4 9ls for 2 magics just cause of how much superior they are. Sure youll probably get less kills but the irccms make up for it
nah it’s fine. if it has more missiles i would say 12.7 but that’s not the case. i kill them all the time with the f4-s or f-4ej kai
The 2000 is a 3rd Gen…no?
BRO HAD TO RUIN THE GATEKEEPING
mig 29 com r60 no 12.7 😎
The F1 its at 12.0 only for the 2 magic 2 and maybe the countermeasures, the rest of the kit is terrible, special mention to the 4 directions RWR, the same one that some 9.3 planes have, wile facing fox 3.
It’s obvious that this jet is completely broken at 12.3 (and was even more broken back I the days at 11.7), whoever thinks differently - just check KD of those players who have this jet and you’ll see that literally everyone, even the worst ever players have ~2x higher KD in this jet than their average which tells that this jet is undertiered asf.
I for instance have average 2.5KD in RB and 2.2 in sim but in this jet I have 4 KD in RB and 5 in sim.
Basically it is the fastest jet of its BR, it has the best IR missiles in the entire game (at its BR 2 Magic 2’s are always 2 free kills), it has the 3rd best FM in the game and the best FM at its BR, it has the 2nd best radar of its BR, the best RWR at its BR etc so no jets of its BR can outrun or win DF or win missile fight against it so it has to be moved to 12.7
Comparing to it's own BR it's radar is worse than f-4ej kai(f-16 radar) and bison in terms of target aquisition, FM is the best but it doesn't matter that much in missile hell these BR's at, as well it's high speed pull rate is abysmal compared to both(above about M0.8-0.7).
Magics 2 are amazing ngl but again, there's r-73 on bison which is debatably as good(better for dogfights, less stable for range) and it has HMD to fully utilise their insane pull. 530D's are the best on paper, but:
1. ej kai has four 7f's so double the lethal potential, and while r-27r are worse in terms of speed, it has inertial guidance and datalink, which allows you to loose your lock for a moment.
2. Being the worst radar out of these three planes it's just harder to utilise them.
But it is the fastest one. And the addition of MAW is nice. Also the best CM package. But, overall compared to it's own BR, excluding assortment of attackers, it's on par with others.
Also - KD of minor nations usually higher than main nations and ofc premiums.
Its bad because the radar is bad and 530d are like r 24 and only 4 misiles
I love the fact that 90% of the french nation is vehicle to high in BR, and yet people have good KD, because obly french and good player plays them. So they get higher. M2kC is good, and hopefully. The mirage f1c sucks so much. Shitty FM in the game, only 2 proper missiles. 1 plane is a shit hole, and the other is good. Come on
Technically M2k isnt gen4.
tf u mean. its 1984. After both the F-15 and F-16
Source????
@@Lulzwhat it litterally is tho ?
Technically the Kfir C.10 is 4th gen fighter
@@wardogleader3200 C10 have AESA radar and Fox-3, early M2k dont.
12.3 is where the f-16a should be
Cs4 should be 12.0
Tje Radar missile sucks and the irccm only works side aspect
Mat any leaks? Please respond
I dont think he can comment on leaks anymore without gaijin permission.
@CarameloWT aww
having been a long time user of the Mirage F1C-200, the French radar missiles doesn't inspire confidence in me.
Every missile is designed to complete a specific task. Mofos be using it as Sparrows and wondering why it isn't working.
Mirage F1C-200's radar missile are very chaff eating machines because of pulse seekers. This mirage uses the more modern 530D which is chaff resistant because of CW seekers. In addition, 530D is more agile but slower than a sparrow.
s530F is way worse than the 530D, they really can't be compared
@ it does have a slower acceleration speed but i think it has a mach 5 top speed
Mirage 2000c should go up to 12.7, not the event one which is the mirage c-s4 it only gets a total of 34 total countermeasures and doesn't have hmd/hms
none of the 2000C have hms
dumbest take iv ever seen
It has 34 CM that drops one by one so technically it has more CM than F-16A/ADF/MLU, F-14A or MiG-29/Yak-141
@@goldenbao3510 French main are mostly dumb so I'm not surprised
The br is good u already talk about it and we already said that the br was good so PLEASE stop talking about it
NO NEED TO CHANGE THE BR
It should be at 11.0 do not touch it. I.m always fighting with premium 21 bison. No it dhould stay .
people that type here in coments that the plain is broken bla bla bla you are just brain dead if you tell me that this plain is op ok ok i buy it but then i ask you what can you tell me of this plains
mig 21 bison
f14 a
yak 141
italy av8bplus(13.0)
f4 ice(13.0)
when we talk abot this plains that make the player bether we can talk about plains that players make bethe(+ its a premium killer aka brandead killer)
the mirage 2k is fine at 12.3 its the f16a and mig29 that should moved down to its br
5th comment
I mean it has the worst flight performance out of any 4th gens
Probably you don’t know how to play it because i still can get 2 and 3 kill’s almost every game
@@qltcn you probably dont play it to be saying that, it beats pretty much every 4th gen fighter in game in a dogfight, has one of the best top speeds etc. It only lacks engine power
Would you rather be in a tornado with 2 missiles and terrible flight performance or mirage 2k with miles better flight performance and 2 more missiles?
I’ve beaten prime gripens in it by using full controlls. Seems like you don’t know how to use it.
@@BIueWRLDevery but F-16 block 10/15 and F-15A