This is actually a stellar example of one of the many reasons why dogfights don't usually happen in modern aircombat irl lol. "I don't want to dogfight, and they can't make me"
The only reason gen 5 aircraft lose in exercises is because they go into dogfights. If they were allowed to engage BVR it wouldn't happen. WT is fairly realistic in that regards.
@@jediknight1294 Even then they tend to be gimped more. From having to carry drop tanks during the fight, to being forced to start in front of the enemy, to being so new that the pilot isn't practiced with the plane. And for every fight that a Raptor or Lightning loses that gets paraded around the Internet, there's dozens that aren't where they win.
The worst Squadron is objectively [100]. Their describtion says all you need to know. And they really go by it, always space climbing in AAB and Spawncamping
With that organized DDOS attack comment, your to an extent literally using some cold war era dogfight concepts in that you are getting into their OODA loop and breaking it by over-saturation. Its basically using quickness/short sharp engagements to bypass their ability to react/act reasonably. Its kinda amazing you organically got to it.
Yeah, there was no one to explain TTAA to me. So, I kinda just screwed around and figured it out. I have to make up names for all this stuff too lol, since I have no idea what the names are or if they even have one >
@@Aoeilaeiepae getting into their OODA loop: throw a monkey wrench into their plan over-saturation: order a DDOS attack on their brain Short sharp engagements: the jungle speaks AIM-9M Also you used a fuckload of terrain, which is a very available cold-war era tactic. Textbook air guerilla.
@@Aoeilaeiepaeyou essentially fly like a Vietnam era pilot. Very similar to US Agressor Squardron tactics for training. Hit and run ambushes, flying well outside of expected doctrine, fast hit and run and using terrain. The way you use your airfields is also pretty similar to Soviet doctrine, in the Korean war.
Yeah... and I haven't even got to the part where I counter-ambush people. It's really easy to players hiding behind terrain features f you know how to find 'em.
VPO used to play low-mid tier air arcade back in the day and me and my boys would absolutely wipe the floor with them. Thanks for letting me know where they went after all these years lmao. Keep up the good work.
@@LordDanielG jsyk this clip is old and yeah these are not our best players, our best players flatten him easy. I have replays of,him going 0-5. Also look at his win rate compared to MadKitty’s clear difference in skill. One wins 80%+ and the other wins under 50%.
Ive only just learned that TTAA is a thing with lore. This feels a lot like how in Ace Combat 7 multiplayer, there are four types of FFA players: 1) Honorbound, folded-ten-million-times furball denizens who basically only ever hard focus each other (your sponges, presumably) 2) Cackling, smelly space goblins lobbing BVR weapons towards #1 from somewhere in the stratosphere (you) 3) QAAM raptors / darkstar chuds, who mostly spend their time wiping cheetos from their joysticks and mildly annoying #2 type pilots (these clans) 4) Timmy. He likes the F-15 with the big laser. Bless his soul. (super sponge)
And 99.9% of players stay away from the EML because it's literally just hacks. Mig-21 MGP players are based and you do not want to see one because they will kill you. Same with the A-10 guy getting aerial kills with bombs.
@@notarealfirstnamenotareall746 EML is pain to deal with, especially because I'm a certified Timmy whose plane of choice is the F104C which really can't survive an EML shot no matter what you do. I can dodge most anything fairly consistently, except for EMLs, QAAMs, and upgraded MSL.
@@notarealfirstnamenotareall746 It has its upsides. The SAAM is an incredibly fun to use and shockingly effective Sp.W (its so fun to slap down someone who thought they scratched your missile but in reality you just intentionally let them out of the radar cone), it's *just* maneuverable enough to dodge any missile at least once with good timing (though reengaging weapons like upgraded MSL and QAAM present additional complication), and it's pretty much always the cheapest plane in the sky, which means you're always a less juicy target *and* you get a lot more points for any hits and kills you get.
An excerpt about Vietnamese air doctrine: "The VPAF flew their interceptors with guidance from ground controllers, who positioned the MiGs in ambush battle stations to make "one pass, then haul ass" attacks.[46] The MiGs made fast and often accurate attacks against US formations from several directions (usually the MiG-17s performed head-on attacks and the MiG-21s attacked from the rear). After shooting down a few American planes and forcing some of the F-105s to drop their bombs prematurely, the MiGs did not wait for retaliation but disengaged rapidly. These "guerrilla warfare in the air" tactics[46] generally proved successful during the war. In December 1966, the MiG-21 pilots of the 921st FR downed 14 F-105 Thunderchiefs without any losses.[47] On 11 May, two MiG-21s, playing the "bait", brought four F-4s to 2 MiG-21s circling at low altitude. The MiGs quickly stormed the Phantoms and 3 missiles shot down two F-4s. On 13 May, a MiG-21 unit intercepted a group of F-4s and a second pair of MiGs made a missile attack before being hit by two F-4s. On 18 May, VPAF aircraft made 26 sorties, eight of which resulted in combat, downing four F-4s without any VPAF losses." Keep up the great work. 🤩
It should be mentioned how this was eventually countered by a very specific American mad lad deciding to pretend an entire flight of F4`s were THUD's right down to EW pods, callsigns, and flight patterns. The result was a LOT of dead fishbeds.
@@MacerXGPEh except it wasn't? The US failed to counter the strategy at all. The rest were swaths of destroyed Phantoms to the point where for each lost PAVN aircraft, the US lost 89 in retuen lol
Operation Bolo. That ambush put an end to that particular Thunderchief Turkey Shoot, and the NVAF changed tactics, but the US tactical disadvantage stemmed from the fact they were pushing into NVA territory and the advantage is with the defending party. Like the RFC in WW1 and LW in WW2, they were trying to overcome local air superiority outwith their ability to provide cover.
Those are real tactics -during Iran-Iraq war Iraq had more pilots with more flight hours as well as more planes which were soviet fighters, superior for dogfighting, Iraq was bound to win, and then suddenly Iraqis exploded in the sky for no reason. You see, Iran had Tomcats with superior US missiles and by hiding behind terrain or shooting from beyond the horizon they were sending missiles killing Iraqis that weren't even aware they were being attacked unless first missile missed - problem is, by using 2 or 3 planes Iraqis weren't even coming home to describe how they were attacked. At one point they outright refused to fly sorties thinking Allah cursed them...
Because Aieilaeiepae is too complicated for me, I am giving you a new name. You shall now be known as Kill Six Billion Trolls, bearer of the word madness, king of AIM-9s, breaker of squadrons, plane smashing lord. (Yes, this IS a ksbd reference)
Did you know there are three kinds of aces? Those who seek strength. Those who live for pride. And those who can read the tide of battle. Those are the three. And him... *He was a true ace* I don't play War Thunder nowadays, but thank you for bringing justice to arcade battles
Oddly enough, I have an encounter with a VPO guy in 10.0 before. I still remembering demoting that guy to a Yak-30D, then to a MiG-9, then demoting him again to props, in my F-8E. Maybe you can make you own squadron with subscribers so that we can fight those VPO and GUUD guys together, well unless you prefer to fight them solo.
The F-8E is a monster, and individual VPO or GUUD players are often just some guy with a fancy squadron tag when they solo-queue. The squadrons do genuinely have standards - if you see a VPO or GUUD player its a mark that they are at the very least a solid player - but the real power comes from the teamwork and coordination.
@@Aoeilaeiepae I hope I'm not miffing anyone but "the squadrons do genuinely have standards" is one of the saddest sentences I've read this month, and it has All Quiet on the Western Front as competition.
I love that is this almost the exact textbook of how Vietnamese pilots with Mig-17 and 21 managed to down large number of F-4 Phantoms in the early war by flying low within visual gun range engagement with ambush tactics, then lower their altitude near terrain to pull out.
Well, only the US has aircraft in any numbers, and the newest ones have significant issues. Spamming F-16s would be the sensible strategy if you end up having to fend off Russia. Attacking Russia would however just give the antiaircraft battalions something to do. Pretty much why the Cold War never got hot. Neither side could feasibly win, and ‘winning’ means thermonuclear death anyway.
@@boggisthecat The US would definitely have won against Russia The cold war didnt go hot because no one wanted a war and careful politicking behind the scenes prevented it. not because no one could win, its an ignorant take ignoring the nuance of it all
The constant loud sitcom credits music combined with the speed of your narration and constant digressions into the current state and history of this apparently godforsaken mode made me feel like I was watching some kind of indoctrination video. Two thumbs up, very kino.
This reminds me of BONK squadron in ground RB, an annoying squadron that only allow KDR above 1. They immediately quit the game if they only kill one or below before getting destroyed moreover they always go for spawn kill. Hunting them in early rounds becomes my job whenever I play against them.
@@nick4754 well i have a MiG-29 (9-13) with R-60M is even more pain but i think trying to hit and run while using ground cover is a good strategy to counter more skilled pilots
You are doing gods work mate, top tier jets in arcade is cancer with GUUD, VPO, ITRA and NAJA. When i get a game without them its such a delight to play. Please keep doing this my good sir
former GUUD here. can confirm pretty much everything you said, and a bunch of stuff in the comments too. fun fact: they kicked me out because i didn't play top tier enough, because i liked to play props and bluewater fleet as well. also when they recruited me, they said "hey u fly good, want to join?" literally never mentioning that there's a whole slew of rules you have to agree to and abide by. they started kicking people out for not using voice comms, to ensure they always have communication with and from whomever they end up in match with. they actually ruined the game for me AFTER i joined them, not before. and only because i found out exactly how sweaty they actually are over a f2p game in fucking arcade battles. also GUUD is led by an iranian, so... do with that information what you will... P.S. the really active ones are honestly some of the most pathetic people i've ever met online, and that's saying a whole hell of a lot :)
The comparison at 1:10 is spot on, this is kind of how it work and getting a lobby consisting mostly of VPO against GUUD is the wildest thing you will ever see !
Maniac, that is me right there. Almost always solo and always in the middle of the scoreboard. Would be nice to be in a squadron, but so far nobody seems to be active in any I've looked at.
This is beautiful, your whole channel is beautiful. I've personally sworn off WT, but I'll never get tired of seeing its players lose their cool. Thank you for sharing these clips ❤
Been playing WT for so long I literally forgot arcade was even a thing. I'm both amazed and incredibly amused to know this much drama exists there and you're absolutely aggravating the hell out of them. Nicely done sir.
This video is my first notice that actual big organized group of players exist in WT, and that one player also goes full waco after them 🤣 Gained a fan
Amazing video man! Between the top tier comedy, sick gameplay and thought provoking strategys one of the best vids ive seen recently from the warthunder side!
It's so fun to see your guerrilla strats work out so well. I do pretty much the same but at a much lower BR, using the fastest WW2-era planes available to boom and zoom before then hiding behind terrain to prepare for my next attack. Granted, this tactic doesn't work as well as yours with the generally slower planes and without any kind of guided missiles, but it's still fun and must be super frustrating for my enemies
Okay, found this randomly through the algorithm, I don't know shit about War Thunder aside from Arcade at very low ranks, so your shenanigans look incredibly fun. Video is hilarious. The worst part is, it may be """""honorless""""", but those tactics are smart. I mean, when you're facing groups like that, with individual players that are very good in a straight fight and that work well as a team, getting into a frontal gunfight is the best way to get jumped and lose your lunch money. From an exterior viewpoint, it just makes sense to play this kinds of tactics. Also, can I just say your flying is superb ? Brings me Ace Combat vibes, as a compliment. Earned a sub !
i rlly havent played top tier arcade since top tier was the sabre and mig15, but i DO play lotsa top tier air custom battles in rb mode. funny enough there you run into similar types of people who will try to sic a whole squadron of their friends in top tier meta vehicles on u for killing them ! its rlly funny when they get so mad because you know better than them on how to just play like a gremlin and guerilla your way into winning a focused 4v1 even when they have infinite respawns lol, all those ppl usually know is how to rely on their numbers and meta vehicles really. if any of them are caught 1v1 they usually die in a couple turns or run lmao its so lame too
Just stumbled upon your content and I've been binging for the last two hours or so. Love watching you slaughter teams, and I'm gonna do what I can to take your advice to heart. Keep up the great work, hope to see you in the air one day!
back in the days in rb when mig-15 / f-86 /mig/17 was top dogs that was when the game peaked for me fights could go on and on untill both had no ammo or bingo fuel the last alive on the battlefield would start to remember eachothers and would come up with tactics to their weakenesses great video :)
not to self promo or anything cuz I don't care about youtube progress but if yall want to see some good old warthunder I have a few video on this channel im posting this from :)
i just found this channel and you do almost exactly what i do (but a little bit better) its like sun tzu said "the easiest fight to win is the one you don't take" which in this context means never dogfight large groups and take the fights one at a time. im subscribed now
For reference, I know very little to nothing about warthunder, played a lil of all, but didn't like the grind and such. But like, this video is hilarious cause it's literally "How do you deal with these high tier squads?" and the answer is "modern air to air tactics" also part of why everything is connected and shit like awacs exist. Fun vid and thanks for sharing.
What's funny to me about this is that this is the exact same thing I do in air realistic, and I've also described it as "Vietnam guerilla tactics." I select the MiG-17AS or MiG-21S, throw on a pair of R-3Ss, hug the ground, fly up behind someone who's not paying attention, shoot them with a missile, and then type "Penis blasted," in all chat for comedy. Except I'm typically hunting random schmucks who are alone/slow in a dogfight, so I'm more of a low-altitude bully than a low-altitude Robinhood like yourself. Awesome video! It was genuinely interesting to see a funny and even coherent video come out of top-tier air arcade!
holy crap please tell me you have a discord server!! the viet cong gurilla warfare had me dying xd Edit: i never knew there was literall gang wars in air arcade
Haters are bad players who try really hard to kill you. Friendly rivals are skilled players who try really hard to kill you. VPO and GUUD are friendly rivals, and some individual members are actual friends. I've learned a lot by face-tanking their missiles.
İ just found your channel today and i think your videos are better quality wise than most of the videos out there and you are really good at speaking (like you are not talking in a monotone way like most people) i hope you can get a bigger audience in the future.
Ok, that was fun and informative. I watch a lot of the Realistic side content creators and as so many of them always play with friends it pretty obvious that’s the best way to have a shot at winning. But seeing that Arcade gives you a chance to be solo sneaky snek and still have a good time and good chance to help your team win may have opened my eyes to a new option. Subscribed.
You can if you know how the AB spotting system works. It's same as RB, so sometimes it doesn't register and it can be something as simple as a double fence. Manual rangefinding is pretty important in some of those situations though as you have no aim assist and often no way to rangefind with the in game cursor.
@N4CR5 Yep, N4CR5 is absolutely right. You would be surprised at the amount of sneaky tactics I've used to ambush people. Also people don't realize that scouting makes a huge difference in arcade.
The beauty about ambush air tactics is you have the initiative. you pick the time and place to pounce and disengage when things aren't favorable. Simple but good tactics in general
Huh, as someone that used to play Ace Combat 7 online this is actually very similar to how it worked there. There are DLC planes which are OP, clans that coordinate even in free 4 all battle royale matches and players with Macros, flight sticks and VR headsets. Not to mention the hackers and sweaties literally spinning in place with railguns that hit you instantly anywhere on the open. So the best way to mess with them is to pick the longest range SAAMs, super fast HVAAs and high capacity HCPAA. Then get far away into the height ceiling, look down and basically orbital strike them with saturation tactics. Or, alternatively, keep your afterburners constantly on, show up from the clouds and mountains, fire a volley out then instantly disappear out of their radar too. Fly erraticaly, be a nuisance and target their best players to break their formation. Eventually, they either pursue you en masse, opening themselves to others, or you cause enough damage to at least even the fight.
"Your friend can't win monopoly if you flip the board and stab them to death". The war thunder equivalent of "The enemy cannot fire a nuke if you disable his hand".
There’s a lot of words that I don’t understand but I’m interested and will always love seeing a top tier player in a proper strategic game like this trounce his opponents entirely. The chance to see an ACE dog fighter in combat is highly interesting, so I’m gonna subscribe and hope to see more videos from ya doing this. And the thing with a good balanced game is that it allows players who are clever enough to use various kinds of strategies to win… including hiding, closing ground, acting erratically as a dangerous idiot and catching his opponents off guard. So not even radar can be faulty or difficult to use. My favorite strategies to use are those cunning hit and run tactics… you’ll probably die using them, BUT it gives your team a chance to close ground, take out anyone you’re distracting or displacing from their positions, and slows your enemies advances. It is however VERY important to remember…. You’re GOING to piss people off like this. You aren’t sitting around camping with a sniper headshoting people or anything, so there IS a fair fight available to the enemy…. But you WANT them getting flustered and slightly angry AND FOCUSING ON TAKING YOU OUT SINCE YOURE BEING ANNOYING…. This means your strategy is working and is even more likely to keep working since they’re focusing all their efforts on you. It’s the strategy I used in red dead redemption 2…. After the first or second round I’d have sniper fire flying around my head the moment the game would start… it was the indication that I was doing something right. It did mean it was going to be more difficult proceeding forward and I’d have to get more creative…. But that’s ok, I wasn’t trying to solo everyone on the opposite team… just force them out of cover by focusing on me and giving my team the ability to close distance and take their shots.
As someone whos played 1500 hours of war thunder, the majority of which has been in Air Arcade, I honestly had no idea about any of this. Its always nice to find someone who actually talks about arcade seriously.
“Your friend cannot win monopoly if you flip over the board and stab them to death.” This is so true! I’m going to use this strategy now in games, thank you
As someone who only plays Air Realistic your channel serves as a window to see how truly deranged top tier arcade players can be.
Am trying to slog out tech trees, top tier makes it easier. But fuck it's bullshit with costs and F-14's
Isn't his tatics just plays the arcade plane like reaelistic but with faster pace?
ye he sucks bruh
wait, people play top tier arcade???
I quit as soon as afterburners were added, it's far too stupid how you have to wait for it to "recharge"
Hi, I play air sim bombers and naval.... Where am I
"I have, infact, organized a DDOS attack on their brain" - Least deranged thing a toptier war thunder player has ever done
I Fly a boat at top tier called the BV238 and get kills soooooo that count?
@@lb0178 how the fuck do you fly a boat
@@triplus198the bv238 is a flying boat
My ADHD riddled brain laughs and accepts the challenge... Also how he plays is how I always play. I play to win not have an "honorable" fight.
@@triplus198 BV238 is a sea plane and weights 110t so many call it the flying battle ship
"Welcome to top tier, the jungle speaks AIM-9M"
That goes so hard
It doesn’t you’re just corny
@@GiddygooberIt does
@@Giddygoober unloved shitter mad asl
@@Giddygoober someone got hit in their feelings it seems lol
@@Giddygoober it is a good line ,ur the one with a poor wit
“After all Your Friend can’t win monopoly if you flip over the table and stab them to death” fucking killed me
Damn, sorry to hear you lost monopoly
Much like that knife
You were killed by the random AIM-9M that came from the other side of the map
GUUD and VPO? Lmao! Ive been trying to deal with those huys
Holy cow iv been playing top teir without even realising that there are big clans ahhahaha
This is actually a stellar example of one of the many reasons why dogfights don't usually happen in modern aircombat irl lol.
"I don't want to dogfight, and they can't make me"
Also because there are no dogs
@@Viper-l666l there are still fights, however!
The only reason gen 5 aircraft lose in exercises is because they go into dogfights.
If they were allowed to engage BVR it wouldn't happen.
WT is fairly realistic in that regards.
@@Viper-l666l DOGS AREN'T REAL! WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!
@@jediknight1294 Even then they tend to be gimped more. From having to carry drop tanks during the fight, to being forced to start in front of the enemy, to being so new that the pilot isn't practiced with the plane. And for every fight that a Raptor or Lightning loses that gets paraded around the Internet, there's dozens that aren't where they win.
“If you are in a fair fight in war, something has gone seriously wrong.” -someguy
I think the USMC said that
Ironic seeing as that is the 100 squadron’s motto, and they’re a very hated spawn-kill squadron that camp around rank 5.
@@brotherhoodofsteeld.c.chap1917 well i dont play WT so idc
The version I heard in the Air Force was: "Fair" is where you go to pet baby farm animals.
@@PolterDev If you don't care and don't play the game why are you even here?
He's in the walls, HE'S IN THE GOD DAM WALLS!
Hes.....the man in the wall?............
Rap....tap....tap........
@@Nezha_Main I get that reference! I, too, am a Nezha main.
@@TanyaSapienVintage ITS A TRAP!
Nice Aliens reference! :)
@@philipped.r.6385 thats a Matrix quote tho isnt it..?
The worst Squadron is objectively [100]. Their describtion says all you need to know. And they really go by it, always space climbing in AAB and Spawncamping
I virtually never see them. They either died or just get stuck in rank 5 or something.
@@AoeilaeiepaeMost of them usually stays below rank 5 so they can abuse the 104's UFO FM in arcade and energy trap everyone at spawn
Never heard of them, what does the description say?
the only time I saw 100 was when the Sabres and Mig-15 were Top TIer, i rarely see those guys in air
@@Unknown_Comrade_ gotta play AB to see them in planes.
as a mainly realistic player, i never realized there was this much drama and tactics in top tier air AB lmao. gud vid
top tier ab kinda cringe imo
Arcade lame
Only people with no life get this far. Like do you really think someone that playes war thunder for 9 hours a day doesnt live with their mom?
😂😂😂😂 Exactly Arcade players are lame. Probably why I never heard of this guy. Russian mains are lame too.
@@grimtygranule5125in this day and age living with your parents is cheaper
With that organized DDOS attack comment, your to an extent literally using some cold war era dogfight concepts in that you are getting into their OODA loop and breaking it by over-saturation. Its basically using quickness/short sharp engagements to bypass their ability to react/act reasonably. Its kinda amazing you organically got to it.
Yeah, there was no one to explain TTAA to me. So, I kinda just screwed around and figured it out. I have to make up names for all this stuff too lol, since I have no idea what the names are or if they even have one >
@@Aoeilaeiepae getting into their OODA loop: throw a monkey wrench into their plan
over-saturation: order a DDOS attack on their brain
Short sharp engagements: the jungle speaks AIM-9M
Also you used a fuckload of terrain, which is a very available cold-war era tactic. Textbook air guerilla.
@@Aoeilaeiepaeyou essentially fly like a Vietnam era pilot.
Very similar to US Agressor Squardron tactics for training.
Hit and run ambushes, flying well outside of expected doctrine, fast hit and run and using terrain.
The way you use your airfields is also pretty similar to Soviet doctrine, in the Korean war.
So having fun in top tier air arcade is achieved by unleashing your inner Ace Combat protagonist
You alone are the reason I’m scared of reaching top tier
Yeah... and I haven't even got to the part where I counter-ambush people. It's really easy to players hiding behind terrain features f you know how to find 'em.
@@Aoeilaeiepae its funny how the squadron vpo is named - vpo-101 and vpo-209 are good rat guns in escape from tarkov
@@jurisjancevskis9076 only the 366 vpo is worth it
just dont play arcade and he'll never kill you
@@F-18Super it’s a joke man
VPO used to play low-mid tier air arcade back in the day and me and my boys would absolutely wipe the floor with them. Thanks for letting me know where they went after all these years lmao.
Keep up the good work.
Yeah i Remember them lmao,they were delicious food for my US 3.7 lineup
Bro about to return as their nightmare
@@LordDanielG Uh, no we floor them easy , this video is just one clip of him killing our ground target focused players.
@@nicholaspowera55 Yea nah people who need to get in fully organised teams in such games, always suffer from severe skill issue
@@LordDanielG jsyk this clip is old and yeah these are not our best players, our best players flatten him easy. I have replays of,him going 0-5. Also look at his win rate compared to MadKitty’s clear difference in skill. One wins 80%+ and the other wins under 50%.
I am honored to be called a sponge by you sir
no way pin this man
Ive only just learned that TTAA is a thing with lore.
This feels a lot like how in Ace Combat 7 multiplayer, there are four types of FFA players:
1) Honorbound, folded-ten-million-times furball denizens who basically only ever hard focus each other (your sponges, presumably)
2) Cackling, smelly space goblins lobbing BVR weapons towards #1 from somewhere in the stratosphere (you)
3) QAAM raptors / darkstar chuds, who mostly spend their time wiping cheetos from their joysticks and mildly annoying #2 type pilots (these clans)
4) Timmy. He likes the F-15 with the big laser. Bless his soul. (super sponge)
I was thinking the same, it makes me think that these types of games (WT TTAA, AC7, others) that don't have a very big playerbase tend to do that
And 99.9% of players stay away from the EML because it's literally just hacks.
Mig-21 MGP players are based and you do not want to see one because they will kill you. Same with the A-10 guy getting aerial kills with bombs.
@@notarealfirstnamenotareall746 EML is pain to deal with, especially because I'm a certified Timmy whose plane of choice is the F104C which really can't survive an EML shot no matter what you do.
I can dodge most anything fairly consistently, except for EMLs, QAAMs, and upgraded MSL.
@@maitele Oof. That is a rough plane to fly in multiplayer. Also fun using the MPBM as an absolute meme in FFA furballs.
@@notarealfirstnamenotareall746 It has its upsides. The SAAM is an incredibly fun to use and shockingly effective Sp.W (its so fun to slap down someone who thought they scratched your missile but in reality you just intentionally let them out of the radar cone), it's *just* maneuverable enough to dodge any missile at least once with good timing (though reengaging weapons like upgraded MSL and QAAM present additional complication), and it's pretty much always the cheapest plane in the sky, which means you're always a less juicy target *and* you get a lot more points for any hits and kills you get.
An excerpt about Vietnamese air doctrine:
"The VPAF flew their interceptors with guidance from ground controllers, who positioned the MiGs in ambush battle stations to make "one pass, then haul ass" attacks.[46] The MiGs made fast and often accurate attacks against US formations from several directions (usually the MiG-17s performed head-on attacks and the MiG-21s attacked from the rear). After shooting down a few American planes and forcing some of the F-105s to drop their bombs prematurely, the MiGs did not wait for retaliation but disengaged rapidly. These "guerrilla warfare in the air" tactics[46] generally proved successful during the war. In December 1966, the MiG-21 pilots of the 921st FR downed 14 F-105 Thunderchiefs without any losses.[47] On 11 May, two MiG-21s, playing the "bait", brought four F-4s to 2 MiG-21s circling at low altitude. The MiGs quickly stormed the Phantoms and 3 missiles shot down two F-4s. On 13 May, a MiG-21 unit intercepted a group of F-4s and a second pair of MiGs made a missile attack before being hit by two F-4s. On 18 May, VPAF aircraft made 26 sorties, eight of which resulted in combat, downing four F-4s without any VPAF losses."
Keep up the great work. 🤩
It should be mentioned how this was eventually countered by a very specific American mad lad deciding to pretend an entire flight of F4`s were THUD's right down to EW pods, callsigns, and flight patterns. The result was a LOT of dead fishbeds.
What article is this from?
@@MacerXGPI wonder who
@@MacerXGPEh except it wasn't?
The US failed to counter the strategy at all. The rest were swaths of destroyed Phantoms to the point where for each lost PAVN aircraft, the US lost 89 in retuen lol
Operation Bolo. That ambush put an end to that particular Thunderchief Turkey Shoot, and the NVAF changed tactics, but the US tactical disadvantage stemmed from the fact they were pushing into NVA territory and the advantage is with the defending party. Like the RFC in WW1 and LW in WW2, they were trying to overcome local air superiority outwith their ability to provide cover.
It's always beautiful to see someone troll sweaty players with stupidly simple tactics.
Its almost like these are the tactics real air vehicles use.
Those are real tactics -during Iran-Iraq war Iraq had more pilots with more flight hours as well as more planes which were soviet fighters, superior for dogfighting, Iraq was bound to win, and then suddenly Iraqis exploded in the sky for no reason. You see, Iran had Tomcats with superior US missiles and by hiding behind terrain or shooting from beyond the horizon they were sending missiles killing Iraqis that weren't even aware they were being attacked unless first missile missed - problem is, by using 2 or 3 planes Iraqis weren't even coming home to describe how they were attacked.
At one point they outright refused to fly sorties thinking Allah cursed them...
That was until the IrAF adapted to ambushing the Tomcats like we see OP adapting in this video @@mareczek00713
What I learned, is if theres a bastard squad, you have to out bastard them. Good advice!
Because Aieilaeiepae is too complicated for me, I am giving you a new name.
You shall now be known as Kill Six Billion Trolls, bearer of the word madness, king of AIM-9s, breaker of squadrons, plane smashing lord.
(Yes, this IS a ksbd reference)
I just love encountering KSBD fans in random corners of internet
What's a KDs B ?
@@Freedom_Half_Off KSBD is the acronym of Kill Six Billion Demons, a web comic I highly encourage you to read.
Oh
I thought it was the ac7 1 million lives thing
man really did a Top Gun and said "the terrain will confuse his targetting systems" lol
Top Gun*
Did you know there are three kinds of aces?
Those who seek strength. Those who live for pride. And those who can read the tide of battle. Those are the three.
And him... *He was a true ace*
I don't play War Thunder nowadays, but thank you for bringing justice to arcade battles
Aoeil: Let the victor be justice
Oddly enough, I have an encounter with a VPO guy in 10.0 before. I still remembering demoting that guy to a Yak-30D, then to a MiG-9, then demoting him again to props, in my F-8E. Maybe you can make you own squadron with subscribers so that we can fight those VPO and GUUD guys together, well unless you prefer to fight them solo.
The F-8E is a monster, and individual VPO or GUUD players are often just some guy with a fancy squadron tag when they solo-queue. The squadrons do genuinely have standards - if you see a VPO or GUUD player its a mark that they are at the very least a solid player - but the real power comes from the teamwork and coordination.
@@Aoeilaeiepae me preparing to slog an 103mm at one of em and then duck the rest next game
How do you demote people, I wonder?
@@Eagleblazer69 demote as in take out their better planes
@@Aoeilaeiepae I hope I'm not miffing anyone but "the squadrons do genuinely have standards" is one of the saddest sentences I've read this month, and it has All Quiet on the Western Front as competition.
"This might seem like a really bastard way to play the game..."
Me: "But?"
"... anyways..."
😂
I love that is this almost the exact textbook of how Vietnamese pilots with Mig-17 and 21 managed to down large number of F-4 Phantoms in the early war by flying low within visual gun range engagement with ambush tactics, then lower their altitude near terrain to pull out.
"I don't want to dog fight, and you can't make me" perfectly explanes mid teir america
pov: you're nato laughing at russian planes trying to dog fight you
Well, only the US has aircraft in any numbers, and the newest ones have significant issues.
Spamming F-16s would be the sensible strategy if you end up having to fend off Russia. Attacking Russia would however just give the antiaircraft battalions something to do.
Pretty much why the Cold War never got hot. Neither side could feasibly win, and ‘winning’ means thermonuclear death anyway.
@@boggisthecat The US would definitely have won against Russia
The cold war didnt go hot because no one wanted a war and careful politicking behind the scenes prevented it. not because no one could win, its an ignorant take ignoring the nuance of it all
@@slechein
The Nazis also ‘would definitely defeat the Soviet Union’, according to Churchill and Roosevelt.
@@boggisthecat soviet union is nazi
@@slechein If by "won" you mean everyone dies then yes, they would have "won"
The constant loud sitcom credits music combined with the speed of your narration and constant digressions into the current state and history of this apparently godforsaken mode made me feel like I was watching some kind of indoctrination video. Two thumbs up, very kino.
This reminds me of BONK squadron in ground RB, an annoying squadron that only allow KDR above 1. They immediately quit the game if they only kill one or below before getting destroyed moreover they always go for spawn kill. Hunting them in early rounds becomes my job whenever I play against them.
Yeah I already face these Goblins in Air AB but that video is the best and will definitely help me so much to counter them
we watch it too :)
My 11.7 f16a is PAIN with am9j
@@nick4754 well i have a MiG-29 (9-13) with R-60M is even more pain but i think trying to hit and run while using ground cover is a good strategy to counter more skilled pilots
You are doing gods work mate, top tier jets in arcade is cancer with GUUD, VPO, ITRA and NAJA. When i get a game without them its such a delight to play.
Please keep doing this my good sir
VPO and GUUD are total sweats... Not to mention they have like three groups each...
former GUUD here. can confirm pretty much everything you said, and a bunch of stuff in the comments too. fun fact: they kicked me out because i didn't play top tier enough, because i liked to play props and bluewater fleet as well. also when they recruited me, they said "hey u fly good, want to join?" literally never mentioning that there's a whole slew of rules you have to agree to and abide by. they started kicking people out for not using voice comms, to ensure they always have communication with and from whomever they end up in match with. they actually ruined the game for me AFTER i joined them, not before. and only because i found out exactly how sweaty they actually are over a f2p game in fucking arcade battles. also GUUD is led by an iranian, so... do with that information what you will...
P.S. the really active ones are honestly some of the most pathetic people i've ever met online, and that's saying a whole hell of a lot :)
“After all, your friend cant win monopoly if you flip over the board and stab them too death” truest words I have ever heard
The comparison at 1:10 is spot on, this is kind of how it work and getting a lobby consisting mostly of VPO against GUUD is the wildest thing you will ever see !
I had no idea these squadrons existed :P
But yeah makes sense, i just never thought about it XD
Why does this just look like Ace Combat lmao.
Top tier Arcade battles is literally just Ace Combat but better.
Arcade battles
Top tier arcade. I've heard legends of such battles taking place
With this new perspective, I have decided that Air RB is actually heaven and the perfect game-mode.
Aoeilaeipae: "the strategy is yours for the taking. You just have to find it!!!"
So climb aboard and bring aloooong all you hopes and dreams...
This was great to watch. Nobody likes sweats, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
It’s was fun watching this guy troll.
You are the goblin who hides in the floorboards and stabs people's feet through the gaps.
listening to these strats sounds like a dcs pvp beginer explaining how a-a combat works
Maniac, that is me right there. Almost always solo and always in the middle of the scoreboard. Would be nice to be in a squadron, but so far nobody seems to be active in any I've looked at.
this is an actually entertaining air arcade video holy sh!t
This commentary and editing style itches a spot in my brain that I didn't realize needed scratching. Subscribed.
I got sick of Warthunder ages ago, this is the first video i seen of you and its was freaking amazing.
The commentary is 11/10 amazing work.
This is beautiful, your whole channel is beautiful. I've personally sworn off WT, but I'll never get tired of seeing its players lose their cool. Thank you for sharing these clips ❤
To quote a very smart man:
Just when they think they have the answers, I change the questions...
this is the first video ive seen by you, and i love your editing and comentary!
i used to be in ITRA for a bit, they are chill guys, but this is beautiful to watch
Amazing video. I've seen some of your videos before, yet this has earned my subscription the squad shenanigans are hilarious.
Been playing WT for so long I literally forgot arcade was even a thing. I'm both amazed and incredibly amused to know this much drama exists there and you're absolutely aggravating the hell out of them. Nicely done sir.
So basically real life tactics when out numbered. Nice! 😅
This video is my first notice that actual big organized group of players exist in WT, and that one player also goes full waco after them 🤣
Gained a fan
Amazing video man! Between the top tier comedy, sick gameplay and thought provoking strategys one of the best vids ive seen recently from the warthunder side!
It's so fun to see your guerrilla strats work out so well. I do pretty much the same but at a much lower BR, using the fastest WW2-era planes available to boom and zoom before then hiding behind terrain to prepare for my next attack. Granted, this tactic doesn't work as well as yours with the generally slower planes and without any kind of guided missiles, but it's still fun and must be super frustrating for my enemies
This man turns War Thunder into Ace Combat lmao.
I always wrote TTAA off as all luck no skill but your videos have changed my opinion on that and now I want to get good at it too
Okay, found this randomly through the algorithm, I don't know shit about War Thunder aside from Arcade at very low ranks, so your shenanigans look incredibly fun. Video is hilarious.
The worst part is, it may be """""honorless""""", but those tactics are smart. I mean, when you're facing groups like that, with individual players that are very good in a straight fight and that work well as a team, getting into a frontal gunfight is the best way to get jumped and lose your lunch money. From an exterior viewpoint, it just makes sense to play this kinds of tactics.
Also, can I just say your flying is superb ? Brings me Ace Combat vibes, as a compliment.
Earned a sub !
I love the music while you explain this.
Also watching your videos made me better at warthunder
i thought arcade was the easy mode where the casuals hang out, i was lied too
i rlly havent played top tier arcade since top tier was the sabre and mig15, but i DO play lotsa top tier air custom battles in rb mode. funny enough there you run into similar types of people who will try to sic a whole squadron of their friends in top tier meta vehicles on u for killing them !
its rlly funny when they get so mad because you know better than them on how to just play like a gremlin and guerilla your way into winning a focused 4v1 even when they have infinite respawns lol, all those ppl usually know is how to rely on their numbers and meta vehicles really. if any of them are caught 1v1 they usually die in a couple turns or run lmao its so lame too
Just stumbled upon your content and I've been binging for the last two hours or so. Love watching you slaughter teams, and I'm gonna do what I can to take your advice to heart. Keep up the great work, hope to see you in the air one day!
Awww thank you!
@@Aoeilaeiepae I will very likely die several frustrating deaths if we meet as opponents, but I'm gonna try my best
back in the days in rb when mig-15 / f-86 /mig/17 was top dogs that was when the game peaked for me fights could go on and on untill both had no ammo or bingo fuel the last alive on the battlefield would start to remember eachothers and would come up with tactics to their weakenesses great video :)
not to self promo or anything cuz I don't care about youtube progress but if yall want to see some good old warthunder I have a few video on this channel im posting this from :)
This has just solidified my opinion that arcade is for... Those types of people.
absolute gigachad
i just found this channel and you do almost exactly what i do (but a little bit better) its like sun tzu said "the easiest fight to win is the one you don't take" which in this context means never dogfight large groups and take the fights one at a time. im subscribed now
I had no idea this was a thing when I started and now you have given me a new goal in warthunder thx my guy 😂😂
As an rb player player I’m confused but more power to you
For reference, I know very little to nothing about warthunder, played a lil of all, but didn't like the grind and such.
But like, this video is hilarious cause it's literally "How do you deal with these high tier squads?" and the answer is "modern air to air tactics"
also part of why everything is connected and shit like awacs exist.
Fun vid and thanks for sharing.
I have never played this game, nor do I know anything about it.
But you sir have my respect and a sub.
You are giving people a loaded weapon. And I absolutely love it.
Keep up the good work.
What's funny to me about this is that this is the exact same thing I do in air realistic, and I've also described it as "Vietnam guerilla tactics."
I select the MiG-17AS or MiG-21S, throw on a pair of R-3Ss, hug the ground, fly up behind someone who's not paying attention, shoot them with a missile, and then type "Penis blasted," in all chat for comedy.
Except I'm typically hunting random schmucks who are alone/slow in a dogfight, so I'm more of a low-altitude bully than a low-altitude Robinhood like yourself.
Awesome video! It was genuinely interesting to see a funny and even coherent video come out of top-tier air arcade!
holy crap please tell me you have a discord server!! the viet cong gurilla warfare had me dying xd
Edit: i never knew there was literall gang wars in air arcade
Ahaha how about we compromise and I join your discord server.
:P
@@Aoeilaeiepae oh that works lmao xd
Maaaan I need in on this xD
This may have been the most entertaining war thunder vid I've seen, and I've been watching and playing since early beta.
"your friend can't win monopoly if you've flipped the table and stabbed them to death" - great analogy 😂😂😂
Still waiting for Sim))))
Duuuuude, you already got a hater comunity, congratulations!!!!!
Haters are bad players who try really hard to kill you. Friendly rivals are skilled players who try really hard to kill you.
VPO and GUUD are friendly rivals, and some individual members are actual friends. I've learned a lot by face-tanking their missiles.
makes sense, good disctinction.@@Aoeilaeiepae
i'd say the game is hated and your just an afterthought for promoting this garbage@@Aoeilaeiepae
İ just found your channel today and i think your videos are better quality wise than most of the videos out there and you are really good at speaking (like you are not talking in a monotone way like most people) i hope you can get a bigger audience in the future.
Ok, that was fun and informative. I watch a lot of the Realistic side content creators and as so many of them always play with friends it pretty obvious that’s the best way to have a shot at winning.
But seeing that Arcade gives you a chance to be solo sneaky snek and still have a good time and good chance to help your team win may have opened my eyes to a new option. Subscribed.
could you be a gremlin in ground ab?
Oh please god yes
I need to see that with me being a Ground Arcade main LOL
You can if you know how the AB spotting system works. It's same as RB, so sometimes it doesn't register and it can be something as simple as a double fence. Manual rangefinding is pretty important in some of those situations though as you have no aim assist and often no way to rangefind with the in game cursor.
@N4CR5 Yep, N4CR5 is absolutely right. You would be surprised at the amount of sneaky tactics I've used to ambush people. Also people don't realize that scouting makes a huge difference in arcade.
holy motherfucking shit you are so fucking cracked at war thunder, jesus christ
I didn't think I could love your content more, but here we are!
One of the best, most entertaining videos I've seen in a very long time ^^
I’m gonna assume this guy is schizophrenic and these are all random players that do not know each other
😂
That's usually how it goes.
Mf is playing ace combat while everyone else is stuck playing war thunder
Just found your channel, and though I don't play arcade this is super amusing. New subscriber.
Subscribed, and your brain is added to the immortality matrix. Good job!
The air game modes in WT are such trash. It's amazing that we're flying su27's and f16c's and still dealing with modes clearly made for props.
i woudn't say vpo is much of threat they try to bomb the whole game to win
That's not our tactic anymore if there are GUUD members
The beauty about ambush air tactics is you have the initiative. you pick the time and place to pounce and disengage when things aren't favorable. Simple but good tactics in general
Huh, as someone that used to play Ace Combat 7 online this is actually very similar to how it worked there. There are DLC planes which are OP, clans that coordinate even in free 4 all battle royale matches and players with Macros, flight sticks and VR headsets. Not to mention the hackers and sweaties literally spinning in place with railguns that hit you instantly anywhere on the open.
So the best way to mess with them is to pick the longest range SAAMs, super fast HVAAs and high capacity HCPAA. Then get far away into the height ceiling, look down and basically orbital strike them with saturation tactics. Or, alternatively, keep your afterburners constantly on, show up from the clouds and mountains, fire a volley out then instantly disappear out of their radar too. Fly erraticaly, be a nuisance and target their best players to break their formation. Eventually, they either pursue you en masse, opening themselves to others, or you cause enough damage to at least even the fight.
"Your friend can't win monopoly if you flip the board and stab them to death".
The war thunder equivalent of
"The enemy cannot fire a nuke if you disable his hand".
I love the gamblers tail! I actually visited Shaw AFB 2 days ago and its super cool to see you repping the Wild Weasels!
lmao this is awesome, I've only played arcade like back in 2015 so i have no idea how accurate this is but this was an entertaining watch for sure
There’s a lot of words that I don’t understand but I’m interested and will always love seeing a top tier player in a proper strategic game like this trounce his opponents entirely.
The chance to see an ACE dog fighter in combat is highly interesting, so I’m gonna subscribe and hope to see more videos from ya doing this.
And the thing with a good balanced game is that it allows players who are clever enough to use various kinds of strategies to win… including hiding, closing ground, acting erratically as a dangerous idiot and catching his opponents off guard.
So not even radar can be faulty or difficult to use.
My favorite strategies to use are those cunning hit and run tactics… you’ll probably die using them, BUT it gives your team a chance to close ground, take out anyone you’re distracting or displacing from their positions, and slows your enemies advances.
It is however VERY important to remember…. You’re GOING to piss people off like this. You aren’t sitting around camping with a sniper headshoting people or anything, so there IS a fair fight available to the enemy…. But you WANT them getting flustered and slightly angry AND FOCUSING ON TAKING YOU OUT SINCE YOURE BEING ANNOYING…. This means your strategy is working and is even more likely to keep working since they’re focusing all their efforts on you.
It’s the strategy I used in red dead redemption 2…. After the first or second round I’d have sniper fire flying around my head the moment the game would start… it was the indication that I was doing something right.
It did mean it was going to be more difficult proceeding forward and I’d have to get more creative…. But that’s ok, I wasn’t trying to solo everyone on the opposite team… just force them out of cover by focusing on me and giving my team the ability to close distance and take their shots.
You are the most calm chaotic evil WT player ive ever seen and I'm all here for it
As someone whos played 1500 hours of war thunder, the majority of which has been in Air Arcade, I honestly had no idea about any of this. Its always nice to find someone who actually talks about arcade seriously.
“Your friend cannot win monopoly if you flip over the board and stab them to death.” This is so true! I’m going to use this strategy now in games, thank you
"your friend can't win monopoly if you flip the board and stab them to death" is my favorite quote from the video. such wisdom