And this Scott is real nice compared to the shit he pull off the moment the real Jean came back in the comics, he completely stop giving a shit about Madelyne and Nathan.
All Scott said was that he couldn't WATCH his son leave, so he left. He knew they couldn't save him in the past, but he also knew he wasn't strong enough to watch his son leave so he opted out. That's not abandoning his son. If Bishop has said I can save your son AND I can bring y 'all along with me, and Scott chose to stay, THAT would be abandoning. It's weird how so many people FAILED to understand that scene because it was honestly very clear what he meant. Also Scott was abandoned as a child, forced into foster care where he was abused, so yea my man has serious abandonment issues. It's understandable that he would react this way.
I feel like this is his way of showing he loves his son. Rather than voluntarily seeing him go and moving on, he'd rather abstain. "I won't be like my family who whether or not believing it was for the right reasons, left me and continued".
In all fairness to Scott, his life went from I married the love of my life and we had a child together, to find out the love of his life is a clone and the true woman he loves returns. He hasn't even had a couple hours to process this before the love of his life tries to kill him and everyone. Then his son is kidnapped, and then is on a rescue mission to only have clone jean nearly kill him again only to change her mind to save his son together. then when they finally get Nathan back, finds out he his son is dying and to save him has to send him away. Scott was abandoned by his father for 20 years, so this is hard for him to make the choice and say. "Aight, son I held you for a day and I'm just going to toss you into the future." You can here the distress in his voice, how he doesn't want to give him up. making that decision would give him a mental break down. I sympathize with Scott greatly poor guy. he is messed up from this.
but regardless it happened so shouldn’t u be there for ur child in their final moments? He literally abandoned his child because he didn’t want to abandon his child😭😭dat man annoying ash!
Yah, He's only had his son for a few hours and held him maybe 3 times and then he's told he'll likely never see him again at least not until he's grown up.
@@amen20505 but I can understand it. He was abandoned as a child so he does not want to take part in sending his child away and immediately move on, it definitely takes strength to do that but he believes it's better to not accept it and take no part in it but he doesn't fight the fact that it needs to happen to save him, not fighting Madalyn on her decision. He believes what he's doing shows more respect and love in the fact that he can't bare to do it.
@@x0gucx At the same time you might come to regret those decisions where you didn't involve yourself as much as you could have. The chance to send his son off was lost, those final moments. He did what he could in that moment but it wasn't the best he could have done.
In Scott's defense he has no idea when Madelyn took jeans place unlike the comics and this is actually better because he's legitimately distraught from hearing this instead of immediately switching back to jean.
7:56 To be honest, I like Scott's reaction in this episode more than the comic's version. In the comics, when he found out Jean was alive after the Clone had their child, he literally left them to get back with Jean.
Exactly, I think what the xmen do is actually more f'ed up than what scott does in the comics. instead of him moving on then being a di## and going back to Jean abandoning his family, Madelyn for the longest time WAS JEAN. While scott is actually visually distraught by this, everyone else legitimately turn on her and abandon her. SJe wasn't some replacement in grief, she was your Jean for years for all you know and seemingly the only one to even attempt to talk to her is Scott and Jean.
Jennifer Hale (Jean) has played plenty of strong animated characters. Avatar Kyoshi in Avatar The Last Airbender, Tanya in Mortal Kombat X, & Kronika in Mortal Kombat 11 & 1. She’s voice acting royalty.
People are reading way too much into Scott's initial silence. The only reason he took pause was because he's in shock, processing the implications that come with Madelyne being a clone. He's worried about the team's safety (they don't yet know this clone's origins) and needs to exercise caution for their sake. He doesn't get angry or blame the clone and still demonstrates trust in their physical interactions. Also, at no point is Scott denying that Madelyne and him are Nathan's parents. Madelyne just got upset that Scott believes science over her assertions. He's also majorly conflicted that he unwittingly cheated on Jean and feeling immense guilt over Jean's being held captive all this time, blaming himself for not knowing sooner and saving her.
I can't even really be mad at Scott this episode. Lets be honest, he went through a whole lotta shit in one single episode and basically lost his whole family by the end of it, I can cut him some slack for not being able to properly process it all in the moment.
Exactly! And everyone saying he's abandoning his son because he doesn't want to be in the literal room when they sent Nathan away just need something to nitpick
Not Sheera roasting my man Cyke.😂 Give him a break. He just found out he had a baby with a whole clone, his mentor was killed, Magneto snatched the leadership position, his co-leader Storm got clapped, his baby is sick... it's too much. My guy is stressed.😭 And Mr. Sinister is a sicko though. He's OBSESSED with Cyclops' and Jean's genetics. Dude made a clone to just create a baby he can experiment on. NUTS!!!!! We definitely gonna see him again. Cyclops gotta get his whole lick back, lol.
Everyone bags on Cyclopes but how the hell is he supposed to process this. he doesn't even know when the switch happened. He at least tried to be there for Madelyn unlike everyone else who immediately dismissed her. Also in this, he can't stand to be the father that gives up his son and moves on, he believes it's better and more respectful to not accept and take no part showing that he never once wanted this. But even then, he didn't fight the decision itself knowing, it was needed to save his son.
@@x0gucx Cyclops knew he had to give Nathan away regardless but the reality of the situation he wanted no part of. He was at his brraking point with this. And he potentially gotta get a divorce because he don't even know if it was the real Jean he married or not. It's messed up.
In the comics, Apocalypse is the one who infected the baby with the virus. Sinister wanted Scott and Jean's DNA to create a mutant strong enough to kill Apocalypse. Apocalypse figured it out and infected the baby to prevent that from happening. Cable survived but his powers were always heavily nerfed because of the virus.
Most of theorized that the switch happened during the Beyond Good and Evil arc. Quick recap, Apocalypse wanted to destroy time and re-create reality in his image. In order to do so he kidnapped a bunch of psychics. Sinister was in charge of capturing Jean because Apocalypse promised him that he would help him create the ultimate mutant. Sinister most likely knew that Jean would die from the process so he created a clone. That way if the clone died, he would still have Jean to conduct his twisted experiments. Also, in the shows original final season when the animation changed, Jean no longer was wearing her hair in a ponytail.
@@jhayceionvalverde7173 but unlike the comics, he actually didn't abandon them and actively took part in their rescue attempt. That is his baby momma, and after he shot her while SHE WAS DOMINATING HIS TEAM, he couldn't stop himself from apologizing because he hurt her. and after she stopped hurting his team, and she turned her focus to him, he didn't even fight back. Unlike the rest of the xmen, Logan included, He went to her after she ran off, he went to get her and the baby. He doesn't even know when the switch happened. Neither of the Jeans know either. they don't even know who married him.
Alot of us were curious about how this would play out. Cuss comic wise Jean was dead for a bit and Scott moved on and had a child with Madeline and it was later revealed to be a jean clone (don't remember if that was a retcon or bad writing) anyway scott leaves his kid and madeline to rejoin the xmen , then jeans returns then madeline goes evil etc, etc. Honestly prefer this version that doesn't make scott look like a crap father
Chris Claremont wanted Jean dead permanently but the higher ups brought her back, so he had to make up inferno, and Madelyn being a clone. He wasn't happy about it.
The fantastic 4 found the real jean at the bottom of a lake, everyone thought she died but all they did was get rid of phoenix. In the comics he doesn't come back to the team until he finds out jean was alive. Once he found that out he literally left and then Madelyn went crazy and started doing things with havoc...
In the comics he stayed with Madelyn until he found out real jean was alive then he left her and the baby. The fantastic 4 are the ones that found her at the bottom of a lake. Then Madelyn went crazy because of all of it and got with havoc Scott's bro..
Madelyn Pryor was not there the whole time. It’s been less than a year & and half, two years tops since Sinister cloned Jean. Sinister has been in Scott’s life since he was a child. Sinister’s experiments on Scott as a child is why he can’t control his optic blasts. Everything that has gone wrong with Scott’s life is basically Sinister’s doing. Sinister is old. He experimented on an ancestor of Jean Grey & has been obsessed both with Scott & Alex (Havok’s) genetics convinced that Summers + Jean = super mutant. In different iterations there are several of these combinations: Nate Grey (X-Man), Rachel Grey (Phoenix), & The one you see here, the baby, Apocalypse’s nemesis, Cable. In the original comic run, Jean was presumed dead, as she has been many times. Scott met Madelyn, thinking she just looked like Jean, she had no powers & he left the X-Men to live with Madelyn & their child…until Jean was discovered alive…& Scott abandoned them to go back to Jean & the X-Men. She got her powers by making a pact with a demon & with magic became the Goblin Queen. That was called Inferno when she basically opened Hell on Earth. There was also a run called the adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix where they go into the past & through X-Mem time bs start the whole Sinister obsession with them & into the future with Cable. & other “Summerseeds” as Scott’s children across the multiverse are called.
Tbh, this is way better than the Scott in the comics, he legitimately didn't know what the f to do. He actually didn't want to abandon his son like he was with everyone else in the room dead set on it, he doesn't want to be the man that watches his child leave and move on with his life like it never happened. No one else was there for Madelyn either. Everyone else's response was basically Scott's in the comics but here she wasn't just a random woman she was their Jean which is more f'ed, yet Scott is still the bad guy.
This adaptation of the Madeline Pryor/Goblin Queen story arc is honestly FAR better than in the comics. Originally Madeline broke bad not because of Sinister’s influence, but from Scott abandoning her for the real Jean. Which made Scott look horrible because while Madeline is a clone she’s still the mother of his child and their feelings for each other were in fact real. And I loved that in the end Madeline was freed of Sinister’s control and will now live her own life free to do what she wants. It was also a great idea to have their memories merge so that no one knows who was who during when. Also I loved her costume redesign. Instead of looking like it was designed by a horny teenage boy she looks like an actual witch. And I’m still surprised that the animators made the nightmare scenes look like if Guillermo Del Toro did a remake of The Thing.
I don't get how Scott is still the bad guy here. In the comics, he definitely was but here everyone does the exact same thing as him in the comics but instead of a random woman it's literally Jean Grey. How is he the bad guy here? Logan still obsessed over that jean and she was still part of the x men team for however long and they all abandoned her instantly while Scott was actually distraught. He was orphaned, he doesn't want to be the dad that watches his son leave him then immediately turn around and go on with his life. No one on the team was there for Madelyn either as well.
@@AzulApeBeing a clone doesn't stop her from being an actual person with real feelings they shared and had a real child together. The X-Men/Marvel universe is full of way crazier stuff than clones, even other X-Men that are clones and/or science experiments. (X-23 anyone?) It basically completely undermines the entire message of the X-Men to suggest that the circumstances of someone's birth invalidates their existence. There's just no scenario where his actions were okay in the comics and they were at least questionable here.
Cool reaction guys. Understanding the history of Scott Summers is crucial to understanding why he acted the way he did. I'll try and break it down to the most important bits. He was abandoned as a child when his parents were abducted by extraterrestrials whilst they were flying a private plane leaving him as a young boy and his baby brother inside. The plane went into freefall and the trauma activated Scott's powers for the first time. He somehow managed to save both himself and his brother but suffered a head injury which is why he can't fully control his powers. He they got separated from his brother and eventually put into the foster care system where he suffered abuse, made even worse by him being a mutant. Then Prof X found him. Mr Sinister has messed with Scott for a long time by this point because his genes are unique and are virtually a perfect building block for Omega class mutants. His reaction was messy but human. He should have seen his son off, but he knew that he probably would have tried to stop them if he was there. Scott is a complex character and I'm glad they are delving into it.
Scott is an orphan and is obviously going to be conflicted with letting his son go. It’s amazing how some people can’t see things from his point of view. He had the love of his life taken from him and was basically graped by a science experiment. Who is gonna be acting calm and collected in this situation?
People forget how privileged they are once they start hearing other people's stories. Some got a chance to be raised by 2 successful parents some don't, some lost their parents at a young age and are classified as orphans. Some don't have a roof to live under. We as humans just forget that alot of us are lucky and that's the sad part. Cyclops is an orphan himself and assumed his father died and it turns out that didn't happen. Being a mutant didn't help either when it's comes to being accepted. Cyclops just wants to be a better father/family man but he can't. At least until him and Jean maybe have another kid. The women you had feelings for is a clone is tough. Losing a father figure in Professor X. Yeah that sounds a bit too much for a man who has to lead a team. But that's my take.
Magneto never stood a chance against Madelyn Pryor. Just to give you a glimpse of how powerful Jean is, her clone is weaker than she is and yet she was strong enough to easily beat Magneto. Jean is the Saitama of the X-Men.
Sadly over the years she's been powered down..I believe Emma frost, the cuckoos, Xavier and exodus because the top. I am not sure if they fixed that yet though
People keep saying, "Even if she's a clone she's still the mother of his child", y'all aren't thinking this through to it's full implications! They don't know when the Jeans were switched, at all. He doesn't know if the woman he married is standing next to him or lying unconscious. For all he knows, Jean could've been replaced after she got pregnant, meaning the clone would be pregnant with someone else's kid, and that Scott's real child with the actual Jean could've either been miscarried, or out their in someone else's hands. There's so many implications the fact that the clone is a clone brings up that it makes sense every one freaking pauses. They don't know what's true or not about her, but they do know Beast's science is very advanced, and he wouldn't drop that on all of them unless he were certain. Hell, it's a credit to them they didn't try to lock her up or separate her from the kid until they knew for sure.
So you're telling me that if you found out Rosh was cloned and replaced the man you love you would be loyal to the clone Sheera?? You wouldn't be furious that this clone replaced your real man, slept with you, and you get pregnant by him? You would be calling that clone every name in the book but "Roshi" and might put a knife in him too for good measure. Yoooo, it is crazy how women will defend other women even when it makes no sense.
Goblin Queen makes a little more sense in the original comic story. Instead of hitting everyone with psychic nightmares she actually took over Limbo and brought Demon armies to earth (Big crossover event called Inferno)
When it came to the Phoenix saga in the og series that's around the time where Madeline Pryor came in and so everything b4 that was the actual Jean grey within the x men 90s continuity
No jean hasn't been a clone the entire time She's been with Scott. They two have known and been together since childhood. Jean was most likely replaced when her and Scott arrived on Sinisters island.
There have been many comparison videos between the original series opening and this one's, and inevitably people commenting shit like "the old animation was so much better," probably kids that don't know better. I dare any of them to say that after watching this episode. I can't remember anything in the original that came close to looking as gorgeous as some shots in this episode.
in the comics, Goblin Queen is a clone of Jean that (long story short) becomes a ruler of Limbo (a sub dimension of Hell) so she’s a psychic and a demon sorceress
Y'all remember the ep in the original Animated Series where Jean and Scott got married and then she was snatched into that portal by Mr Sinister and his gang taken to that dimension yeah that was the true jean, she remained with Sinister that whole time and the Jean the team rescued was the clone
*Ororo* : Hi Jean, it's so good to be back, I hope that I didn't miss anything while I was gone. BTW, where's Nathan? *Jean* : Well... right after you left, we found out that the Jean that was pregnant was actually a clone of me created by Mister Sinister; then he showed up, kidnapped Nathan, and infected Nathan with a techno-organic virus, to which we were forced to send him to the future to cure him. So anyway, what have you been up to? *Ororo* : ......
Well with so many retcons in these comic books. You can narrow it down to when Mr. Sinister trapped the X-men when they first fought each other. Right after the Dark Phoenix saga when she died and he stole the body
Explaining this again because so many people seem to either not know this or forgot it but Jean and Scott have been together for a LONG time, pretty much since they were teenagers or young adults like 19-20. Both Jean and Madelyn have been with Scott, Scott has been with them both, they got switched when they were adults and her Scott had already had a preestablished loving relationship, it's not like they never met the real Jean before they just don't know when, in the most recent years, did she get switched out. The only thing we DO know for sure is that Madelyn is Nathan's mother, so the clone has been with them for at least 9 months. Scott didn't switch up on Madelyn, he had every right to question who the real Jean was, along with everyone else, especially since this directly affects his family.
And as someone else pointed out, the fact that he thought he was sleeping with Jean but it was someone else literally means Madelyn raped him, even if unintentionally. He has every right to be upset.
I love seeing Mr Sinister again since he was always my favourite X-Men villain. Ngl Madelyne Pryer is FINE ASF!😍 I loved how trippy this episode got and the exploration into Jean's mind and the tragedy of Scott and Jean/aka Madelyne having to give up their kid to save him which is truly tragic as Scott cannot catch a break after finding out his wife is a clone and his son will die unless he's sent to the future.
Come up looking like that, you _better_ be the Gobblin' Queen. (I've been making this joke on every reaction, FINALLY someone else on the same wavelength. I see you, Paul.)
Reminded me of the times I use to watch the old X-men reruns as a kid. Oh and a new delinquent anime called Windbreaker came out today. Better than Tokyo revengers already.
Yo, can we get a shootout to Beast for being the most emotionally stable member of the team? Everyone else is going through some nightmare scenario based on actual trauma or insecurities Pryor plucked from their brains and Beast just sees some Miyazaki creature shit.
Mr Sinister is one of the most evil people in all of Marvel. Name an awful thing that happened after the 1800s and just know he or one of his clones was there. The shit he did to Scott and Professor X when they were children can fill a whole book
Again fun fact jean hasnt been jean since the end of the dark phoenix saga and maybe even before. The phoenix took on her appearance and put the real jean to heal in a cocoon...she was actually found at the bottom of a lake by the fantastic 4..
Scott just straight up abandons Madelyne AND Nathan for MONTHS (I think it was months anyway) after he finds out that real Jean is back in the comics. Just...straight up abandons his family to go back to Jean and the X-Men. So this version of Scott is a much better guy XD
@YaBoyRoshi So no this clone Jean aka Madelyn Pryor aka The Goblin Queen has not been their Jean thee entire time…only 9 months or more prior to episode 1 of this new reboot season of the OG series was she replaced. They have left it vague on purpose to at what point was Jean switched but it could have been any of the various times Jean was kidnapped in the OG series or perhaps it happened sometime after the end of the OG series but still 9 months prior to the start of this new rebooted season.
Yall goin in on Scott, Yall know how clones work ? He had every right to be confused,😂..and in the comic Sinister separated them after the Phoenix saga so they where already married, So his relationship with the original was well established
X97 Cyclops is understandably confused and still dealing with he sheer ramifications of this reveal. He doesn't know when they were switched or if even the time they spent together was genuine or ploy by sinister. And he has to deal with all of that while he's still grieving for Xavier (who while isn't actually dead can likely never return to earth so might as well be), dealing with insecurities as a leader, and the fact he may very well lose his son either way just after he was born. It's a lot to take in. Comics Scott though. Yeesh this storyline he was real dickish: Oh no Jean is dead - I'ma marry and retire with this woman (Madelyn Pryor) who inexplicably looks like my dead girlfriend -> Have a kid with her too -> get angry at her for looking like his dead girlfriend -> then dip on his wife and son the moment his dead girlfriend stops being dead. Comics Madelyn had every right to want to castrate Comics Scott.
will the real Jean please stand up?
READY FOR THAT INVINCIBLE REACTION
A pair of jeans 👖
Nah, the real Jean would faint.
And this Scott is real nice compared to the shit he pull off the moment the real Jean came back in the comics, he completely stop giving a shit about Madelyne and Nathan.
CAUSE IM JEAN GREY-DY YO THE OTHER JEAN GREY-DY’S ARE JUST IMITATING
“Gambit can never unsee that.”
Perfect meme material. 😅
Wait til next ep...☕
Agreed! 😂👏
7:29 Only the real Jean can faint so well in a fight.
I was thinking the same thing 😂 can't fool me that's Jean right there look look look look the hand over the forehead faint yep that's her.
I am glad someone remembers that running joke(?). Jean probably fainted a total of 20006434 times in the original show😂😂😂
Beast really like "Girl, you a clone. Deadass the science is sound." Like no tack whatsoever
Man violated so many HIPAA rules lmao
Aint nobody got time for tact. Theres only 20 min to tell the tale. Lolzzzz
@@skyhime 28 minutes, lol.
@@tkm1875
Its about 20 min when u cut out recap, intro, outro,
Damn there’s two Jean greys and wolverine still couldn’t get none… damn shame
Scott gets all the psychics on his tip. Logan is destined to get his runoff.
@@AzulApe true!!!
They just gonna skip straight to the Logan and Scott ship 🤣
No wonder that mf wants to die so bad.
Wolverine is clapping jeans cheeks in the comics
All Scott said was that he couldn't WATCH his son leave, so he left. He knew they couldn't save him in the past, but he also knew he wasn't strong enough to watch his son leave so he opted out. That's not abandoning his son. If Bishop has said I can save your son AND I can bring y 'all along with me, and Scott chose to stay, THAT would be abandoning. It's weird how so many people FAILED to understand that scene because it was honestly very clear what he meant. Also Scott was abandoned as a child, forced into foster care where he was abused, so yea my man has serious abandonment issues. It's understandable that he would react this way.
I feel like this is his way of showing he loves his son. Rather than voluntarily seeing him go and moving on, he'd rather abstain. "I won't be like my family who whether or not believing it was for the right reasons, left me and continued".
In all fairness to Scott, his life went from I married the love of my life and we had a child together, to find out the love of his life is a clone and the true woman he loves returns. He hasn't even had a couple hours to process this before the love of his life tries to kill him and everyone. Then his son is kidnapped, and then is on a rescue mission to only have clone jean nearly kill him again only to change her mind to save his son together. then when they finally get Nathan back, finds out he his son is dying and to save him has to send him away. Scott was abandoned by his father for 20 years, so this is hard for him to make the choice and say. "Aight, son I held you for a day and I'm just going to toss you into the future." You can here the distress in his voice, how he doesn't want to give him up. making that decision would give him a mental break down. I sympathize with Scott greatly poor guy. he is messed up from this.
but regardless it happened so shouldn’t u be there for ur child in their final moments? He literally abandoned his child because he didn’t want to abandon his child😭😭dat man annoying ash!
At least the clone has as much heart as Jean. It will be hard for the both of them.
Yah, He's only had his son for a few hours and held him maybe 3 times and then he's told he'll likely never see him again at least not until he's grown up.
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but I can understand it. He was abandoned as a child so he does not want to take part in sending his child away and immediately move on, it definitely takes strength to do that but he believes it's better to not accept it and take no part in it but he doesn't fight the fact that it needs to happen to save him, not fighting Madalyn on her decision. He believes what he's doing shows more respect and love in the fact that he can't bare to do it.
@@x0gucx At the same time you might come to regret those decisions where you didn't involve yourself as much as you could have. The chance to send his son off was lost, those final moments. He did what he could in that moment but it wasn't the best he could have done.
Cyclops: there’s two Jeans? 😨
Wolverine: hear me out ☝🗿
Cyclops: No Logan, I get both Jeans and Emma Frost. You may have my runoff if you stop acting like a rebellious teenager. Cry me a river otherwise. 😎
Morph looked at Wolverine from afar
While Gambit throws an explosive rock into a pond and watches the horizon with sad looking eyes.
Jean and Madelyn: "No, Logan. Never."
In Scott's defense he has no idea when Madelyn took jeans place unlike the comics and this is actually better because he's legitimately distraught from hearing this instead of immediately switching back to jean.
7:56 To be honest, I like Scott's reaction in this episode more than the comic's version. In the comics, when he found out Jean was alive after the Clone had their child, he literally left them to get back with Jean.
Exactly, I think what the xmen do is actually more f'ed up than what scott does in the comics. instead of him moving on then being a di## and going back to Jean abandoning his family, Madelyn for the longest time WAS JEAN. While scott is actually visually distraught by this, everyone else legitimately turn on her and abandon her. SJe wasn't some replacement in grief, she was your Jean for years for all you know and seemingly the only one to even attempt to talk to her is Scott and Jean.
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He didn't leave to be with Jean. He left to confirm if she was actually alive, then came back to his wife and baby, but they were gone.
@@Armlace He confirmed it, but didn't go back to Madelyn for a while. He started X-Factor and went on several missions before he went back.
Ngl I'm folding to Madelyne in baddie mode. Voice had me weak in the knees too 💀
"Say my name Scott" that shit did something to me, the way she said that.
Wrd too
@@angelsppp11 right? also, my heart was beating way too fast when she stood from her chair XD
@@PortgasDAce-wt2quthey knew what they were doing when they animated that
Jennifer Hale (Jean) has played plenty of strong animated characters. Avatar Kyoshi in Avatar The Last Airbender, Tanya in Mortal Kombat X, & Kronika in Mortal Kombat 11 & 1. She’s voice acting royalty.
People are reading way too much into Scott's initial silence. The only reason he took pause was because he's in shock, processing the implications that come with Madelyne being a clone. He's worried about the team's safety (they don't yet know this clone's origins) and needs to exercise caution for their sake. He doesn't get angry or blame the clone and still demonstrates trust in their physical interactions. Also, at no point is Scott denying that Madelyne and him are Nathan's parents. Madelyne just got upset that Scott believes science over her assertions. He's also majorly conflicted that he unwittingly cheated on Jean and feeling immense guilt over Jean's being held captive all this time, blaming himself for not knowing sooner and saving her.
I really don't blame cyclops for being very confuse with the whole Jean switch thing
Especially when a lot of it happens back to back
I can't even really be mad at Scott this episode. Lets be honest, he went through a whole lotta shit in one single episode and basically lost his whole family by the end of it, I can cut him some slack for not being able to properly process it all in the moment.
Exactly! And everyone saying he's abandoning his son because he doesn't want to be in the literal room when they sent Nathan away just need something to nitpick
Not Sheera roasting my man Cyke.😂 Give him a break. He just found out he had a baby with a whole clone, his mentor was killed, Magneto snatched the leadership position, his co-leader Storm got clapped, his baby is sick... it's too much. My guy is stressed.😭
And Mr. Sinister is a sicko though. He's OBSESSED with Cyclops' and Jean's genetics. Dude made a clone to just create a baby he can experiment on. NUTS!!!!! We definitely gonna see him again. Cyclops gotta get his whole lick back, lol.
Everyone bags on Cyclopes but how the hell is he supposed to process this. he doesn't even know when the switch happened. He at least tried to be there for Madelyn unlike everyone else who immediately dismissed her. Also in this, he can't stand to be the father that gives up his son and moves on, he believes it's better and more respectful to not accept and take no part showing that he never once wanted this. But even then, he didn't fight the decision itself knowing, it was needed to save his son.
@@x0gucx Cyclops knew he had to give Nathan away regardless but the reality of the situation he wanted no part of. He was at his brraking point with this. And he potentially gotta get a divorce because he don't even know if it was the real Jean he married or not. It's messed up.
In the comics, Apocalypse is the one who infected the baby with the virus.
Sinister wanted Scott and Jean's DNA to create a mutant strong enough to kill Apocalypse. Apocalypse figured it out and infected the baby to prevent that from happening.
Cable survived but his powers were always heavily nerfed because of the virus.
And he ironically is the cause of the virus infecting him when he accidentally infected -•A•-
Also isn't the nerf because half of the power is actually focused on suppressing the virus?
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I'm glad we're getting Cable's origin story in this series
@@x0gucxyes, he also has a clone named stryfe that doesn't have the virus
Most of theorized that the switch happened during the Beyond Good and Evil arc. Quick recap, Apocalypse wanted to destroy time and re-create reality in his image. In order to do so he kidnapped a bunch of psychics. Sinister was in charge of capturing Jean because Apocalypse promised him that he would help him create the ultimate mutant. Sinister most likely knew that Jean would die from the process so he created a clone. That way if the clone died, he would still have Jean to conduct his twisted experiments. Also, in the shows original final season when the animation changed, Jean no longer was wearing her hair in a ponytail.
That was after the Dark Phoenix saga right?
When the "rumours" about redheads are true, you get the Goblin Queen.
Well in the comics she hooked up with Alex Summers "Havok", so she likes goblin summers apparently.
Cyclops refusing to abandon his Son was so heartbreaking.💔
In the comics he straight up goes to get milk and never comes back because he finds out that real jean was back..
no it wasn’t seeing that in that same part he abandoned his whole family not just his son
I like how they use Morph for all the references and cameos of X-men characters they don't have in the lineup
Damn they ain't giving this man Scott no sympathy 😂
he doesn’t deserve nun she his wife mother of his kid that’s all that matters💀
@@jhayceionvalverde7173nope evil science experiment doesn’t matter.
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but unlike the comics, he actually didn't abandon them and actively took part in their rescue attempt. That is his baby momma, and after he shot her while SHE WAS DOMINATING HIS TEAM, he couldn't stop himself from apologizing because he hurt her. and after she stopped hurting his team, and she turned her focus to him, he didn't even fight back. Unlike the rest of the xmen, Logan included, He went to her after she ran off, he went to get her and the baby. He doesn't even know when the switch happened. Neither of the Jeans know either. they don't even know who married him.
@@jhayceionvalverde7173 I'd love to see ho you would handle all that Scott did in a couple of hours ,while still holding it down
He gotta take the licks along with the praise! They're three-dimensional characters that mess up sometimes, but that's ok, we still love 'em!
Alot of us were curious about how this would play out. Cuss comic wise Jean was dead for a bit and Scott moved on and had a child with Madeline and it was later revealed to be a jean clone (don't remember if that was a retcon or bad writing) anyway scott leaves his kid and madeline to rejoin the xmen , then jeans returns then madeline goes evil etc, etc. Honestly prefer this version that doesn't make scott look like a crap father
Chris Claremont wanted Jean dead permanently but the higher ups brought her back, so he had to make up inferno, and Madelyn being a clone. He wasn't happy about it.
The fantastic 4 found the real jean at the bottom of a lake, everyone thought she died but all they did was get rid of phoenix. In the comics he doesn't come back to the team until he finds out jean was alive. Once he found that out he literally left and then Madelyn went crazy and started doing things with havoc...
@@TheShadowcat6969 exactly
In the comics he stayed with Madelyn until he found out real jean was alive then he left her and the baby. The fantastic 4 are the ones that found her at the bottom of a lake. Then Madelyn went crazy because of all of it and got with havoc Scott's bro..
Madelyn Pryor was not there the whole time. It’s been less than a year & and half, two years tops since Sinister cloned Jean. Sinister has been in Scott’s life since he was a child. Sinister’s experiments on Scott as a child is why he can’t control his optic blasts. Everything that has gone wrong with Scott’s life is basically Sinister’s doing. Sinister is old. He experimented on an ancestor of Jean Grey & has been obsessed both with Scott & Alex (Havok’s) genetics convinced that Summers + Jean = super mutant. In different iterations there are several of these combinations: Nate Grey (X-Man), Rachel Grey (Phoenix), & The one you see here, the baby, Apocalypse’s nemesis, Cable. In the original comic run, Jean was presumed dead, as she has been many times. Scott met Madelyn, thinking she just looked like Jean, she had no powers & he left the X-Men to live with Madelyn & their child…until Jean was discovered alive…& Scott abandoned them to go back to Jean & the X-Men. She got her powers by making a pact with a demon & with magic became the Goblin Queen. That was called Inferno when she basically opened Hell on Earth. There was also a run called the adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix where they go into the past & through X-Mem time bs start the whole Sinister obsession with them & into the future with Cable. & other “Summerseeds” as Scott’s children across the multiverse are called.
Tbh, this is way better than the Scott in the comics, he legitimately didn't know what the f to do. He actually didn't want to abandon his son like he was with everyone else in the room dead set on it, he doesn't want to be the man that watches his child leave and move on with his life like it never happened. No one else was there for Madelyn either. Everyone else's response was basically Scott's in the comics but here she wasn't just a random woman she was their Jean which is more f'ed, yet Scott is still the bad guy.
Shut up lol not you with the spoilers. Also it’s confirmed that WE DONT know when they were switched you mongol
Also in the comics Mister Sinister is the reason why Gambit who is Omega level like Jean, Prof X and Storm levels got nerfed before joining the team
Cyclops saw the "made in China" tag on Jean and was like nope
Based Cyke
lmao
Made in Victorian London, in a factory that also processes Frankenstein Wannabes.
This adaptation of the Madeline Pryor/Goblin Queen story arc is honestly FAR better than in the comics. Originally Madeline broke bad not because of Sinister’s influence, but from Scott abandoning her for the real Jean. Which made Scott look horrible because while Madeline is a clone she’s still the mother of his child and their feelings for each other were in fact real. And I loved that in the end Madeline was freed of Sinister’s control and will now live her own life free to do what she wants. It was also a great idea to have their memories merge so that no one knows who was who during when.
Also I loved her costume redesign. Instead of looking like it was designed by a horny teenage boy she looks like an actual witch. And I’m still surprised that the animators made the nightmare scenes look like if Guillermo Del Toro did a remake of The Thing.
I don't get how Scott is still the bad guy here. In the comics, he definitely was but here everyone does the exact same thing as him in the comics but instead of a random woman it's literally Jean Grey. How is he the bad guy here? Logan still obsessed over that jean and she was still part of the x men team for however long and they all abandoned her instantly while Scott was actually distraught.
He was orphaned, he doesn't want to be the dad that watches his son leave him then immediately turn around and go on with his life. No one on the team was there for Madelyn either as well.
@@x0gucx how would you feel if it turned out one of the people you loved was actually a clone, one who was planted by one of your greatest enemies.
Nah, Cyclops isn’t obligated to care about a science project. I was fine with how he reacted.
@@AzulApeBeing a clone doesn't stop her from being an actual person with real feelings they shared and had a real child together. The X-Men/Marvel universe is full of way crazier stuff than clones, even other X-Men that are clones and/or science experiments. (X-23 anyone?) It basically completely undermines the entire message of the X-Men to suggest that the circumstances of someone's birth invalidates their existence.
There's just no scenario where his actions were okay in the comics and they were at least questionable here.
@@Zeik56 actually being a clone is by definition not an actual person. No soul and clearly easy to corrupt. She wasn’t “born”, what are you on about?
Cool reaction guys. Understanding the history of Scott Summers is crucial to understanding why he acted the way he did. I'll try and break it down to the most important bits. He was abandoned as a child when his parents were abducted by extraterrestrials whilst they were flying a private plane leaving him as a young boy and his baby brother inside. The plane went into freefall and the trauma activated Scott's powers for the first time. He somehow managed to save both himself and his brother but suffered a head injury which is why he can't fully control his powers. He they got separated from his brother and eventually put into the foster care system where he suffered abuse, made even worse by him being a mutant. Then Prof X found him. Mr Sinister has messed with Scott for a long time by this point because his genes are unique and are virtually a perfect building block for Omega class mutants. His reaction was messy but human. He should have seen his son off, but he knew that he probably would have tried to stop them if he was there. Scott is a complex character and I'm glad they are delving into it.
Scott is an orphan and is obviously going to be conflicted with letting his son go. It’s amazing how some people can’t see things from his point of view. He had the love of his life taken from him and was basically graped by a science experiment. Who is gonna be acting calm and collected in this situation?
Some people unfortunately can only think one dimensionally. It's kinda sad if you think about it.
Exactly! Anyone hating on Scott for how he acted this episode is just being an ass.
People forget how privileged they are once they start hearing other people's stories. Some got a chance to be raised by 2 successful parents some don't, some lost their parents at a young age and are classified as orphans. Some don't have a roof to live under. We as humans just forget that alot of us are lucky and that's the sad part.
Cyclops is an orphan himself and assumed his father died and it turns out that didn't happen. Being a mutant didn't help either when it's comes to being accepted. Cyclops just wants to be a better father/family man but he can't. At least until him and Jean maybe have another kid. The women you had feelings for is a clone is tough. Losing a father figure in Professor X. Yeah that sounds a bit too much for a man who has to lead a team. But that's my take.
Magneto never stood a chance against Madelyn Pryor. Just to give you a glimpse of how powerful Jean is, her clone is weaker than she is and yet she was strong enough to easily beat Magneto. Jean is the Saitama of the X-Men.
Saitama is a discount Silver Age Superman. There is literally no parallel to Jean Grey. 🤣
Here's the scary part. That was her without the Phoenix.
@@AzulApe When I said ‘’Saitama’’ I clearly meant how broken both of them are in their respective verses. Literally nobody in OPM can beat Saitama.
@@saiyanobe23g6 maybe a better comparison could be Mob, just to stay with the same author
Sadly over the years she's been powered down..I believe Emma frost, the cuckoos, Xavier and exodus because the top. I am not sure if they fixed that yet though
Thus begs the age old question "if evil, why hot?"
Shit went from X-Men to Resident Evil real quick
People keep saying, "Even if she's a clone she's still the mother of his child", y'all aren't thinking this through to it's full implications! They don't know when the Jeans were switched, at all. He doesn't know if the woman he married is standing next to him or lying unconscious. For all he knows, Jean could've been replaced after she got pregnant, meaning the clone would be pregnant with someone else's kid, and that Scott's real child with the actual Jean could've either been miscarried, or out their in someone else's hands.
There's so many implications the fact that the clone is a clone brings up that it makes sense every one freaking pauses. They don't know what's true or not about her, but they do know Beast's science is very advanced, and he wouldn't drop that on all of them unless he were certain. Hell, it's a credit to them they didn't try to lock her up or separate her from the kid until they knew for sure.
Very good point
didn’t beast science prove the baby was the clone and scott son? so yes it was their baby but the rest of what you said is true
This is a whole arc in like 20min. Crazy.
And didn't answer anything
@@smd1876 it did tho
"Where did she get the scrunchy?" is the realest observation I've ever heard. 😅
10:34 “waitttttt….. where’d she get the scrunchie??” LMAOO
I'm sorry, Sheera, but if my wife turns into a psychopath... I'm still going to want to keep my son. 😅
So you're telling me that if you found out Rosh was cloned and replaced the man you love you would be loyal to the clone Sheera?? You wouldn't be furious that this clone replaced your real man, slept with you, and you get pregnant by him? You would be calling that clone every name in the book but "Roshi" and might put a knife in him too for good measure.
Yoooo, it is crazy how women will defend other women even when it makes no sense.
The last sentence was entirely unnecessary lmfao.
They ain’t had no sympathy for my boy Scott at all😂😂. All this happened in a matter of hrs for Scott
Goblin Queen makes a little more sense in the original comic story. Instead of hitting everyone with psychic nightmares she actually took over Limbo and brought Demon armies to earth (Big crossover event called Inferno)
When it came to the Phoenix saga in the og series that's around the time where Madeline Pryor came in and so everything b4 that was the actual Jean grey within the x men 90s continuity
🎵Cable's mom has got it going on🎵
7:48 Norman Osborn is calling up his lawyer Immediately.
Y'all should have been able to tell who's the _real_ Jean -- the one who moaned and fainted immediately. Good ole' anemic Jean.
Her only memory worthy of a change of heart. I love the psychological complex story telling of the 90’s.
No jean hasn't been a clone the entire time She's been with Scott. They two have known and been together since childhood. Jean was most likely replaced when her and Scott arrived on Sinisters island.
14:00 I had to replay this a couple times, you guys had me cracking up lol
"Remember..."
"WhO yOu ArE" 💀💀
Lupa & Sheera had me dying
There have been many comparison videos between the original series opening and this one's, and inevitably people commenting shit like "the old animation was so much better," probably kids that don't know better. I dare any of them to say that after watching this episode. I can't remember anything in the original that came close to looking as gorgeous as some shots in this episode.
Cyclops yells "I won't abandon my son!"
60 secs later: *Cyclops abandons his son* 😂😂😂
Scene went over your head. He wasn’t going to be apart of turning his son into an orphan like his father did to him.
The entire plan was to abandon the child lol
@@AzulApelol right 😅
@@AzulApe He was going to be abandoned ether way. The least he could have done was be there before seeing him off to the future.
@@Bionickpunkanyone who has seen the original series or read the comics knows that isn’t an option for him.
"Put the baby in a boiling pot of science" lmfaooooo
in the comics, Goblin Queen is a clone of Jean that (long story short) becomes a ruler of Limbo (a sub dimension of Hell) so she’s a psychic and a demon sorceress
1:30 that picture of with Wolverine in the front got me dying!
"Boiling pot of science" is too damn funny. 😂😂
Y'all remember the ep in the original Animated Series where Jean and Scott got married and then she was snatched into that portal by Mr Sinister and his gang taken to that dimension yeah that was the true jean, she remained with Sinister that whole time and the Jean the team rescued was the clone
"keep going deeper" -Logan
been having so much fun with this show, nice seeing heroes done right after so long.
Sheeras' theatrics were hilarious 😂
*Ororo* : Hi Jean, it's so good to be back, I hope that I didn't miss anything while I was gone. BTW, where's Nathan?
*Jean* : Well... right after you left, we found out that the Jean that was pregnant was actually a clone of me created by Mister Sinister; then he showed up, kidnapped Nathan, and infected Nathan with a techno-organic virus, to which we were forced to send him to the future to cure him. So anyway, what have you been up to?
*Ororo* : ......
The real Jane Grey was taken by Mr. Sinister at the end of the phoenix saga, when see like sacrifice herself to save the universe.
14:03 Alright Mufasa 😂y'all cracked me up with that lmfaoo
Well with so many retcons in these comic books. You can narrow it down to when Mr. Sinister trapped the X-men when they first fought each other. Right after the Dark Phoenix saga when she died and he stole the body
7:55 The emoji 😂
HAHAHA when Jean said "Beast, please!"
Glad they went comic accurate with Cable being the son of Jean's clone.
Explaining this again because so many people seem to either not know this or forgot it but Jean and Scott have been together for a LONG time, pretty much since they were teenagers or young adults like 19-20. Both Jean and Madelyn have been with Scott, Scott has been with them both, they got switched when they were adults and her Scott had already had a preestablished loving relationship, it's not like they never met the real Jean before they just don't know when, in the most recent years, did she get switched out. The only thing we DO know for sure is that Madelyn is Nathan's mother, so the clone has been with them for at least 9 months. Scott didn't switch up on Madelyn, he had every right to question who the real Jean was, along with everyone else, especially since this directly affects his family.
And as someone else pointed out, the fact that he thought he was sleeping with Jean but it was someone else literally means Madelyn raped him, even if unintentionally. He has every right to be upset.
That Magneto vs Madelyn fight was so Castlevania esque, loved it
i was so happy to see maddy animated here 🤣
The Gobussy is craaaaazy
the gat dang sailor moon transformation was a vibe. and Maddie with that Basic Instinct pose on the throne. perfection.
Wolverine: keep going deeper.
Me: no no no Logan she supposed to say that to u
You've got a fan in me, keep 'em coming!
Did anyone else catch it when Jean said 'BEAST PLEASE'🤣
"Can you imagine seein' that on your CRT?" 🤣🤣🤣
the time period in when the switch happened in the books is after the phoenix saga as for the show its unknown
yo those scenes where clone jean was controlling the mansion were possibly my favorite scenes of the show so far
Sinister really put a baby in some boiled Mountain Dew and said “science!”
Poor lil Cable
I love seeing Mr Sinister again since he was always my favourite X-Men villain. Ngl Madelyne Pryer is FINE ASF!😍
I loved how trippy this episode got and the exploration into Jean's mind and the tragedy of Scott and Jean/aka Madelyne having to give up their kid to save him which is truly tragic as Scott cannot catch a break after finding out his wife is a clone and his son will die unless he's sent to the future.
I forgot Jean got kidnapped like twice by Sinister in the old series.
Was not expecting a Cable origin story so soon. Guess that means we got some Apocalypse and X-Force action coming in the future.
this was a awesome episode and it came out after one of my favorite comic book artists streamed drawing the goblin queen :)
This was close to the real story. Inferno. Scott left her and the baby in the real story, which made her turn this way.
Come up looking like that, you _better_ be the Gobblin' Queen. (I've been making this joke on every reaction, FINALLY someone else on the same wavelength. I see you, Paul.)
That's the most dominatrix-looking villain I've ever seen.
Love how they showed telekinesis countering magnetism.
The Gobblin' Queen 😂
+gramdalfthewhite
Everyone became a simp of hers after this episode
4:01 "damn you a whole sim" is insane 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Reminded me of the times I use to watch the old X-men reruns as a kid. Oh and a new delinquent anime called Windbreaker came out today. Better than Tokyo revengers already.
Scott is a fierce fighter and a great leader... but he's got some issues they haven't even scratched the surface of yet.
Dope content another positive year for yall. Awesome show. 80s baby here
Yo, can we get a shootout to Beast for being the most emotionally stable member of the team? Everyone else is going through some nightmare scenario based on actual trauma or insecurities Pryor plucked from their brains and Beast just sees some Miyazaki creature shit.
_Bap bap bap._
Mr Sinister is one of the most evil people in all of Marvel. Name an awful thing that happened after the 1800s and just know he or one of his clones was there.
The shit he did to Scott and Professor X when they were children can fill a whole book
8:51 Not her quetoing a Bible verse 😭😂
Rouge said as soon as she can touch someone else..its on. I also think she trying to keep an eye on him too
Again fun fact jean hasnt been jean since the end of the dark phoenix saga and maybe even before. The phoenix took on her appearance and put the real jean to heal in a cocoon...she was actually found at the bottom of a lake by the fantastic 4..
"He put the baby in a bowling pot of science", is my favorite quote from this reaction video. 😅
THANKS for this!!!!
Scott just straight up abandons Madelyne AND Nathan for MONTHS (I think it was months anyway) after he finds out that real Jean is back in the comics. Just...straight up abandons his family to go back to Jean and the X-Men.
So this version of Scott is a much better guy XD
"Sinister is a real piece of shit" It's in his name 🤣
@YaBoyRoshi So no this clone Jean aka Madelyn Pryor aka The Goblin Queen has not been their Jean thee entire time…only 9 months or more prior to episode 1 of this new reboot season of the OG series was she replaced.
They have left it vague on purpose to at what point was Jean switched but it could have been any of the various times Jean was kidnapped in the OG series or perhaps it happened sometime after the end of the OG series but still 9 months prior to the start of this new rebooted season.
lupa, not caesar, it was poncio pilatos who wash his hands and let jesus die.
This is like Superman and his parents, where they had to make the choice to send him off to earth
Yall goin in on Scott, Yall know how clones work ? He had every right to be confused,😂..and in the comic Sinister separated them after the Phoenix saga so they where already married, So his relationship with the original was well established
X97 Cyclops is understandably confused and still dealing with he sheer ramifications of this reveal. He doesn't know when they were switched or if even the time they spent together was genuine or ploy by sinister. And he has to deal with all of that while he's still grieving for Xavier (who while isn't actually dead can likely never return to earth so might as well be), dealing with insecurities as a leader, and the fact he may very well lose his son either way just after he was born. It's a lot to take in.
Comics Scott though. Yeesh this storyline he was real dickish: Oh no Jean is dead - I'ma marry and retire with this woman (Madelyn Pryor) who inexplicably looks like my dead girlfriend -> Have a kid with her too -> get angry at her for looking like his dead girlfriend -> then dip on his wife and son the moment his dead girlfriend stops being dead. Comics Madelyn had every right to want to castrate Comics Scott.
Except for the part where their marriage wasn't real, because someone pretended to be a minister