I Tried iRacing For The First Time.
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2021
- What happens when a sim racer of 6 years tries iRacing for the first time.
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Oh look its the medicore simracer who thinks he knows anything about racing.
Its your opinion, thats all. Stop talking like you know what the hell you are talking about
Pin of shame.
Edit: haha get ratioed, nerd.
You iracing fanboys really are the worst. So hostile.
So hostile and toxic yikes
oh no! someone critizised your favorite overprized racing sim.
guys guys...calm down..maybe he is a master and biggest sim racer pro in the world..maybe he knows more than others. maybe we should love Iracing like he does...
"I tried iRacing for the last time"
-Ermin's wallet
'Stop trying iRacing'
Ermin's Partner
Well the thing is like he said in the beginning he had one of his friends lend them his account for a short while so he basically had his experience bankrolled for him, if everyone had that experience I bet iracing would be more well liked by the broader sim racing community since you wouldn't have to play it like a shitty f2p mobile game and subscribe and microtransact for literally everything :v
iRacing is the most realistic racing sim only in that it perfectly replicates how expensive it is to race.
kinda
It almost seems more expensive tbh lol
@@wolfgang_h3t I don't think so, honestly all the content costs about the same as one race weekend of proffesional karting 😄
@@atlantic_loveyou need to try LFM then. Was avid on ACC and now playing IRacing and I must say the online system in LFM is almost identical, although it’s obviously a blatant copy of Iracing’s model.
@@Dany_Fox1 that depends on how much you penny pinch and reuse the same tires lol
I must point out that the multiplayer experience is the aspect that the whole iracing system is built around. It leaves a gigantic blind spot in this sim's evaluation only passing by the multiplayer almost like as if it was a minor feature of the game.
Its a sim afterall, I think rating its physics and driving dynamics comes first. Awesome multiplayer should be built on top of that.
@@SpartanArmy117 Well, out of respect for someone who lend me their account, I would have done the same so not to plummet their SR.
Exactly, I can get in my rig whenever I want and experience online races against drivers on my skill level.
I already raced in N2003 that‘s why I love iRacing but… even if another sim would be twice as good when it comes to the driving, physics or whatever , what I want is that multiplayer experience.
The others don’t have it, and that‘s why I simply don’t care (for those sims).
Yea the rule in most sim racing game has no rules.
Yeah I agree.. Ive played on ACC Assetto and PC2 online with IDIOTS, TROLLS and pure shit drivers!! ALL BE IT NOT THE BEST.. iracing has a protest system and a huge online base! YES iracing graphics are dated and audio and everything else..LOL However.. its the competition of the multiplayer that brings drivers back.. not the shiney sparkly things..
I liked the part where I was in front of you. 😜
Best racers 😈😈😈😂😂
I'm sure theres a joke somewhere in there.
Was it a reverse grid race? :)
Actually I was right behind him 🤣
Yh thats what happens when you race real people it brings out your skill and competence. When you get used to racing AI at a set level for the sake of producing a presumed good battled video. The real skill and racecraft shines through when racing with real people.... jmo Will and Ermin ;)
I am definitely one that needs to spend more time experiencing other sims! But for me the main reason I get drawn back to iracing every time I wanna race around is down to the super addictive multiplayer official races! Don't ask me why, but getting to the end of a race to see I gained 70 irating is just so satisfying!
You could get the same on SRS
I could never explain why i didnt like the way iracing looked. Turns out it was too much yellow😎
It reminds a bit of RaceDriver GRID lol
I always say every race is set at sundown, even at 12 o'clock
That's why most people active in iRacing use a reshade. Still the best all around package in simracing.
@@SpartanArmy117 You just nailed it on the head... "The feeling that there's something on the line." Well said.
@@TangoDown357 I dont get the leg shakes in other sims, when i grid up for a race.. in iRacing i do... its because its your one account with your money sank into it. And you genuinely feel as if you have something to lose. I just dont get that feeling from those other sims.
The reson why I play Iracing regardless of its flaw. Vr implementetion is best I've ever seen, and multiplayer experience (format, playerbase and in most cases netcode)
Jimmy another all the race sims tuber thinks Project cars 2 is the best or can be the best... have your tried that yet?
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough only pcars 1. Rarely play single based racing games so hade no interest of getting it
ermin when he sees nordschleife in a sim: *happiness noises*
I think the thing for most people is iRacing is the only place where you can get populated, clean pick-up-racing at ANY time of day. This is something that the other sims haven't really offered, except GTSport, but thats a PS4 exclusive.
Like you have to join a league if you want good races, but iRacing offers them every 15 mins, with the option of league if you still want them
Don't forget hugely populated special endurance events, open to all. Not just the elite teams who qualify for a single split. Special events that actually ARE special. Special NASCAR events for those guys, Indy500, chili-bowl for the dirt ovals.
I agree with this, and with the video as well, both are equally correct. Also, since I exclusively race in VR, I feel that the VR support is pretty good in iRacing, compared with ACC for example, and it's massively more resource efficient than ACC. Can't speak for rFactor 2 or Automobilista though, haven't tried them.
It also gives you something to race for, if you're in a league there's no incentive to racing, not to mention spending an entire week practising to race once only to speend the next week practising once again. In iracing racing unlocks the ability to race different types of cars and to race the best/fastest people in the service
@@XavierGoncalves89 Well typically leagues give you prizes for 1st, 2nd, 3rd
@@duck74UK I didn't know that, thx
You skipped past iracings biggest feature with barely a mention. The ranked racing is what keeps it clean. The threat of a ban or dropping down a licence forces people to learn racing. The fair racing is the stand out feature of this title, and why people pay to play it, and you ignored it Ermin.
Physics and FFB aside (which I don't have any quarrels with) this is my #1 reason for using iRacing and not the other games. (Yes I said game) The structure of it having practice, qual, and races on set schedules every hour or 2 means I know exactly what to race and when and that there will always be a full grid (unless it's anything over c class dirt road lol) so competition is never lacking because you're always racing people in your general skill range (more so in higher Strength Of Field races). I race with a lot of SCCA Competition Racers and they use it as a tool before competition weekends and 1 person even broke a class track record by a significant margin when they trained in iRacing at a track they've never driven in feal life before that weekend. Who really cars if it's the best or the worst all that I care about is if I'm having fun and if I am gaining skills and I believe both to be true.
@@seebarry4068 way too much iceracing fanaticism.
@@TheKwod yep there is. But I gave my reasons for preferring it, and they’re valid reasons. 🤷🏻♂️
I think you missed talking about the absolutely biggest selling point for iRacing, at least as far as I am concerned, and that is the ranked racing combined with its vast player base.
The fact that I can not only choose to join a ranked online race (almost) whenever it suits my schedule, but have that race be split into several servers based on rank so I'm MUCH more likely to end up racing someone around my skill level, is the only reason I keep paying for and playing iRacing.
I find the sim itself to be as you say, passable to good in different aspects (tho few sims are as complete in terms of features for online racing, which you also didn't mention, stuff like towing, driver swaps, day/night cycle, player made liveries etc etc).
As great as most other sims are, none of them are even close to offering the online racing experience that iRacing does, I wish this wasn't true as I'd love for them to have some competition on this bit, but as of yet, they just don't.
Bro wrote an essay
Really glad that you did this review. Even though you didn't touch on the core of the sim (Multiplayer aspect). Now I can watch your very detailed physics and ffb reviews (Nobody does it better than you) knowing you have a complete understanding of the entire spectrum 👍
So you've never driven a fast car...
iRacing like every Sim out there has some major issues, but overall it’s the best option we have for multiplayer and league racing.
You have to remember they offer Road, Oval, Dirt Oval, RX/Off Road all on the same platform and all presented to a very consistent level.
On the price thing... rF2 content is not cheap, there’s just less of it and I find it hard to justify given its meme levels of sliding.
Most hobbies can get expensive... people are happy to spend lots of money on golf clubs, an electric buggy, then pay a club membership, and pay green fees on top of that... all to play the same 18 holes over and over again.
For me... iRacing offers experiences I can’t get anywhere else. Expensive or not, it’s up to users to balance the costs Vs the enjoyment they get from it.
You have hit quite a lot of issues with the sim right on but you missed one biggest advantage iracing has over every other sim and that is online play and userbase. This is what a lot of other ACC fans and rf2 fans can only dream of having. To really get a proper "hook" on iracing you need to play it for few months online and go through the ranks and understand what the online community really offers. This is one of the biggest reasons why iracing is still a benchmark and until other sims start following suit with online structure such as this, iracing will remain on top.
I'd even go so far to ask a nasty question: Are all the people p[l]aying iracing stupid and not smart enough/too fanboy to play other sims? I don't know exact numbers but in order to fill all the iracing races you need a certain amount of regular racers and it might just be that the other sims, that are supposedly so much better than iracing, just have less of regular racers. Which would be a sign, that either iracing is better than it's getting credit for or those regular iracers are all stupid/blind fanboys...
@@staenker1983 i race at 5-9 am EST. i get races go multiple splits at these times. ACC, RRE, Rf2 are dead at these time slots. if you dont have a working matchmaking system in 2021 your game is dead to me. plain and simple
This. There is no ladder to climb in other sims. To get good racing you have to join leagues, and 99.99% of leagues are nowhere close to the kind of skill required to win a top split race in iRacing during peak hours. The only exceptions are the leagues that attract the major sim racing eSports teams and offer prizes/broadcasts, those are the only thing at a higher level than public iRacing lobbies.
Also disagree about the graphics, to me iRacing looks a hell of a lot better than everything apart from ACC (GT3 only) and the pCARS engine games (crap physics). I do agree with the FFB criticism though. The 60Hz signal is absurdly outdated, and you shouldn't have to use a fancy reconstruction filter (or irFFB) to get a decent FFB signal.
@@balkntv To add on to this, when you start racing a certain series at a certain time slot, you start noticing other drivers that are doing the same. For me iracing isn't the best sim for driving cars, but it has the best community and system to create great racing anytime of day at any competition level. All of this as well before you even consider the iracing specials events and leagues. The community aspect I think is the best thing about iracing.
Also you don't need to spend 1k on the game, you buy what you need and yeah sure its not cheap but its is no where near 1k and to suggest and show that price is a bit laughable. You would spend 1.5k and only use about 100 dollars worth of content. There is buying guides to make the game cheaper and as your progress through the game the cost of the game diminishes. Is it more expensive then other sims yes, vastly more expensive no.
i've been playing both ACC and iracing for a while but for the last six months or so i keep coming back to ACC way more often. ACC makes you feel like a racecar driver, iracing makes you feel like a simracer.
ah yes, the
I N D U S T R Y
S T A N D A R D
just like Pro Tools in Pro Audio.
Yep just like Iracing Pro Tools needs a revamp.
Exactly right!
And just as frustrating. Reaper people!
Glad you finally gave it a go. Impartial as can be too. Used to think you were talking out your arse when you said "this sim is best at X" when you hadn't even tried iRacing. At least now you have an idea. Like you said, it's not a silver bullet but it's also not a pile of crap. To me, with limited time to race, it's all I'm racing these days. Mainly because of the public lobby racing which feels closer to club racing than anything else I've tried.
Not to sound biased (although most who read this will think it is), but:
Yellow - likely from the sunlight model, which is, you guessed it, yellow. TBH iRacing used to be rather flat, but when real-time day/night transitions were introduced, I think this yellow stuff was introduced. With the white color balance changed you edited, I wonder how the sunrise/sunset transitions would look?
The Sliiiide - iRacing veteran pro tip; if you find yourself in the infamous never ending slide, just simultaneously mash the throttle and brake momentarily. No one knows why it works, but it does… and believe me - you don’t know what “iceRacing” is like unless you drove the sim circa 2014 or older. Getting on the grass was unrecoverable! At least now, going off track doesn’t necessarily mean the end of your race.
FFB - it’s easy to overlook, but a lot of people don’t realize that many favored a homebrew FFB plug-in for the original rFactor. rFactor 2’s FFB was much better out of the box - why? Because ISI just licensed the plug-in from the original author and made it part of the gMotor engine. Anyway, the FFB in iRacing does a decent job for me. Granted, I don’t have a DD wheel to be snobby about it, but I find that it does a good job of differentiating cars with Power steering over cars without.
Graphics engine - sure, it’s dated - but considering that I have an older system, I can still enjoy iRacing. ACC is an absolute slide show for me… plus, I don’t know if they fixed it, but the fact that you have to use NVidia Surround to enjoy Triple screens in ACC is a deal-breaker for me… I’ve had WAY too many issues over the years with Surround to put up with it anymore, and unlike other sims, ACC doesn’t allow for the same kind of “full Windows desktop” hacks due to Unreal.
Competition - for what it is, iRacing offers the best hands down competition, particularly in official series races, pitting you with relatively matched drivers. It’s not perfect, but I’ve always liked it.
Price - no argument here, it’s expensive - BUT, you don’t have to buy it all at once, and with the licensing system, you really don’t have to buy too much at once to get through a given season at a new license level… but DO take advantage of those discounts for multi-item purchases.
Anyway, not a criticism of your review - in all honesty, I thought it was fair.
Hey just so you know. You don't need Nvidia surround for triple monitor in acc. I run an ultra wide with two 16:9s on the sides so Nvidia surround doesn't work for me.
Just turn on windowed mode. Stretch it across. Turn on the triple monitor option and adjust all the settings for your setup. Works great.
Tho I'd imagine if it's a slide show for you with a single monitor. Triple probably wont help haha
@@chrisb62 Hmm, good to know, and thanks for the info - as of about a year or so ago, people had asked about not using Surround for triple screens in their support forums. Kunos cited limitations in Unreal Engine that did not allow for proper utilization of large desktop sizes for “full desktop” sized Windowed mode, which is the typical workaround to use triple screens in rFactor and iRacing without Surround via their config files. Seems like either Epic updated Unreal to support what they needed, or they figured something out with the engine as is.
And yeah, I use triple screens (it’s the only way to drive!)… And since I was using single monitor mode to play ACC, it was still a slide show in anything other than single car practice. I wouldn’t want to think how bad it would be with all 3 monitors, lol.
@@jcchaconjr dude, I agree with all of this except you must not have tried VR. iRacing works really well in VR. I can't go back to screens now. If you get a chance to drive VR in IRacing, do it. And I used to run a Thrustmaster TX and finally blew the wad on a DD1. I have never regretted it. Just yesterday I was commenting to my pals as we shredded Laguna at how good the Porsche feels. Also the Radical at Suzuka on Sunday. Soooo good.
@@CanadianDad73 I’ve never had the pleasure of trying it, but just as you could never go back to a single monitor after trying Triples, I’m sure that the same applies to Triples after trying VR! 😂
Real sunlight is pretty blue, actually... Only sunrise and sunsets are yellow
Iracing is my go to sim and I'm happy to see you finally give iracing what seems like a pretty fair shot. I still don't fully agree with some of your opinions on it but I can see where your coming from and respect your opinions. Biggest thing is I'm happy to just see you give iracing a fair shot.
For me ACC a R3E are games I can jump into for a few hours every few months and have fun with then go back to not touching it for month. I see iRacing more as a hobby that I'm constantly working at improving and playing I put some time into it every week and I love it.
I'm sure you can agree they charge several times more than they should..... But all the power to you 👍
@@Jerry-tg2lj I won't deny it's expensive and my first year and I racing was tough. The buy-in is really high but now that I've been on I racing for 5 years I've got almost all the tracks and the cars I want to race so at this point it's just the yearly fee and I do enough races that I get the $10 credit each season that can go towards any new content so at that point it's really not that bad but the buy-in definitely is tough
@@Jerry-tg2lj they charge what the market will bear.
@@Jerry-tg2lj it's worth it if you want to race against actual human competition without having to spend time scouring leagues and discord channels. The laser scanned tracks are unbeatable as well. Out of all the current sims, having iRacing, AMS2, and Assetto w mods covers everything a sim racer needs. The others in my opinion (ACC, RF2, R3) fall short in key areas
@@Jerry-tg2lj its expensive yes, but it all comes down to people's wallets, needs and satisfaction. You go into iRacing knowing the costs needed.
For me, iRacing will always be my main simulator (only sim). I tried raceroom and didn't like it, ACC doesn't interest me nor do any simulators.
That was a fair commentary Ermin. For me, as a stand alone sim it wouldn't be on my list. But for the online experience I love it. Anytime day or night I know I can fire it up and get a competitive race in just about any car class I choose.
Good stuff Ermin. It's strength is definitely it's ranked multiplayer, it's still after all these years unmatched. The licence system and the fact that you've paid for the service keeps me coming back for more, much like hiring a real race car. It's not for everybody though, enjoy.
As someone how enjoys iRacing, and had heard a few snide remarks about it from Ermin before, after reading some of the comments from iRacing fanboys thought that he must have ripped it apart but it's pretty tame and on point imo :D Damn fanboys are always the worst!
If there was no subscription and massive cost for just one track or car I’d be interested. I really want to feel the online experience but having both subscription and content prices is a joke
Exactly... Should be free to play. I don't have enough time for it tbh
@@SpartanArmy117 But laser scared tracks and the best detail means nothing when the force feedback feels like canned spam, what's the point of all that detail if it can't even be translated properly enough to show said details.
The thing is, there will be no "iracing x" that will cost you 70€ every few years, thus dividing the community with each game, there's a single multiplayer community that probably has more concurrent players than all the other sims peak player count combined, so racing is easy to find and depending on the series and opponents too
@@manny4707 ye i get you the detail is great even if the graphics looks shit but catching the spins, low frequency FFb (Not sure if irFFB fixed that) and wierd pricing strategy ruins it, I'd happily buy packs or if the game was just buy it now then buy cars and tracks I'd be semi okay but both will fucking hurt your wallet so much man. I really want to get into Competitive online racing and i'm hoping for a competitor cus I'm not tryna spend that much but if needs be that day could happen depending if I can justify it in the future.
I get your point tho They're detailed but not £15 per car detailed that's just too far
@@XavierGoncalves89 r3e is getting there.. fast
We deserved a video like this. Congratulations for your work, I love your approach to racing simulators and I really appreciate your effort in making this kind of videos. 👏
Greetings from Spain.
That was an amazing first lap (in this sim) of the Nordschleife! You must have done more laps here than anyone would dare to count. Kudos on a great video.
no mate, he purposely cut to the replay screen to hide the time to make himself look better than what he actually is. my mate timed it and he did a time 15 seconds quicker. lmfao
@@leoheaton387 it made sense to cut the video from the replay, and add the voice in the production - I have no reason to doubt it was the first one.
As the first lap in a new sim that's a phenomenal effort. Of course times would improve with experience, each Sim has differences that must be learned.
Wish he had also had a crack at the Porsche Cup, it's just so bloody God-like there.
@@JSmith73 he didnt even do an official, which is the whole point of the subscription.
@@leoheaton387 is it? Most of my races are in leagues.
Some might just love doing time attacks, others fight the AI - and others again simply practise hotlaps.
There are so many use cases and everyone is different and has different time, net availabilities etc.
I'm a 100% club member fwiw, and joined in June 2008.
@@JSmith73 yeah, the league part Your mostly correct, im in many leagues myself but still do mostly officials and smurf hosteds every now and again But racing ais ive never heard anyone doing ais before for training etc. ive done ais, but that was inly to try it.
As an iRacing fan i think the review was fairly balanced. You missed the biggest component though which is the online racing and set events and championships and the depth that it has with the iRating and Safety rating system. That you can jump in to any practice session with various people to check your pace then jump in to highly populated races in almost any series at any time of the day anywhere in the world. That’s where iRacing is set apart. All i need for my experience is people to race against who due to the rules of the iRating and safety rating system for the most the racing is fair and clean. That’s what makes it the best for me
So iRacing have now patched the over the top yellows out, finally. I just wanted to say thank you, I reckon your video as well as Will's NVIDIA Filter one were the triggers!
Also they vastly improved the tyre models in GT3s and others.
I'll be hastily retreating to XKCD 552 after submitting this.
Nice to see you dip a toe in the iRacing pond, but I think fair to say you can't actually give it a proper go until you pick a series or two and properly compete over a season. iRacing is not just a driving simulator, it is an online ranked racing simulator, the likes of which is not available anywhere else. You cannot comment on price or value without this perspective.
Thank you for a very honest review of this game. I have been debating on getting it or not. I find that many hype the game up to something that it isn't. And considering the cost and what you get for it, especially after your experience, I will stick with the options I currently have available. I'm fairly new to this level of sim racing anyway, so I can save my money for upgrading peripherals, haha.
if you are new to simracing , dont get it. Once you really enjoy simracing , get this as you can get a lot of enjoyment racing with others
The real payment simulator…
🤣🤣🤣👍👀
It's more realistic than any other sim because it also simulates the cost of real motorsports ;)
I dont know you, ive literally never seen this channel. RUclips told me to watch, I am telling myself to subscribe right now due to the good commentary and quality of the video. Thanks 🔥🔥
Iracing ffb can be improved to 360hz by running irffb. Irffb also adds sop (seat of pants) effect and understeer effect. Switch this on and iracing is as good as any other sim out there.
yeh, irffb isn't an option, it is necessary.
I’m glad he tried it. Now when he talks “racing simulators” he can include experience from one of, if not the most popular online racing platforms around.
I thought the ffb was great when I used a Thrustmaster T500 then a Fanatec CSW V2. When I got a Podium DD2 I could never get it feeling good. It was awful and almost unplayable.
Now I have a SC2 Pro and it feels great again right out the box almost.
Ok that's weird, I had every of those wheelbase apart from the T500. Difference between DD2 and SC2 Pro (that I own now) not that much. A bit more dynamics / differentiation between different effects a bit more crisper - that's it.
You really want to try irFFB. It elevates the ffb to a whole new level.
My mind is telling me noooo, but my wallet, my wallet is *also telling me no*
I would recommend iRacing only for dedicated simracing drivers.
Thanks for testing this. I likely won’t try it due to the pricing model
I knew I recognized you from somewhere but 13:47 (coffee with Ola) made me remember. So cool that you are so envolved in metal music and simracing in general. Keep up the good work!
Not every car in iRacing has the same FFB characteristics. The Ferrari is known to be a little numb.
I think the only thing you missed was going a little bit more in depth on the multiplayer aspect of iRacing where you can sign up for any race, pretty much at any time and find a bunch of competent people that will likely provide a good club style racing experience (apart from turn 1 chaos), which I would consider to be the main draw of iRacing. It's something other sims can't really provide unless you join a league.
Besides that, excellent review!
13:46 great choice of background music
Yes; YES; YAZ!! I've been waiting for this exact video for a long time!
Well done, Sir. You nailed it.
I got back into iR after a few years away in ACC, AMS2, and RF2. During this time I upgraded to the VRS DD wheel and VRS loadcell pedals. There were a few moments driving the Ferrari around Charlotte Roval this past weekend where I felt really connected to the sim; but in general the FFB (out of the box) just doesn't communicate. I was shocked the the VRS DFP could feel identical to a Logitech 920; but that's exactly what it was like.
iR needs to allow more specating/spotting features for free. A lot could be forgiven for that alone.
But leaning on Trading Paints, and other 3rd party support to prop up an aging product is highly disappointing.
What's never disappointing is new content from this channel! Hats off to you Ermin!!
That was a brilliantly written and presented review. Very good.
Excellent review, Ermin. I laughed out loud at your intro and appreciated your objectivity, your humor and your smarts. Thanks for this work.
Thanks for the kind words.
Wallet blackhole is biggest weak point i believe
iRacing still has the cleanest road graphics of all sims. I come back to it all the time to say 'Ahhhhhhh......clean corner lines!'
Happy to see you gave iracing a shot. Would really love to keep seeing more of it in your channel!
if the FFB would be increased from 60hz to 330hz or higher...it would make a huge difference with the missing small road details and the jerkyness/coarseness
due to low sampling rate.
My new favorite sim is RRE... their new FFB on F4 Tatus, F3, etc.. is insanely good, plus no one beats their sounds.
Rre is reason why I canceled my iRacing subscription and have zero desire of going back. Overall it just wins.
RaceRoom is such a great value! $50 for EVERYTHING!!! The new FFB is also very nice.
Raceroom is so amazing that you can barely find 10 people on their servers xD
@@mikelmaguna 😆
@@mikelmaguna Depends on time of day
Very good review, always looking forward to new content from you Ermin! Fun to see you trying it out, but please make sure try it once with irFFB, it kinda fixed it for me when I was very close to abandoning it for good. The problem lies with "growing up" sim racing wise on AC FFB I suspect.
Have to agree with everything (else) you said except maybe adding one point to it: You really have to delve deep into the ranked multiplayer aspect of iRacing to appreciate the sim's core feature. Without that, I still feel that the review is only around 80% complete.
Great video ! Although, I really think you couldve went deeper about the multiplayer aspect of iRacing. The fact that you can somewhat cleanly compete against real human drivers, on different categories, and even race the 24 hours of Le Mans without having to try and get invited into a private event, is astonishing. What I like about iRacing, is that it really transmit the feel of racing extremely well, with the competition and team aspect in endurance races, for example, and that is really really neat, and something I don't know any other sims have.
Well said, everything else out there is a driving simulator while this is a racing simulator
@@chuckystang Don’t know about that boys. I had a race in ACC last night that had me sweating bullets. If that wasn’t intense racing then you can rape my wallet harder than iRacing.
Need to justify that outlay hey?
Ermin, some facts you should know about iracing:
- since the pandemic introduced a lot of influx of pro drivers coming into iracing, there were a whole lot of updates introduced, being the tyre models and aero models completely overhauled. Before it really was ice racing.
-Iracing FFB doesn’t have any canned effects, is purely physics based, and it’s aim is to reproduce the exact feelings you would have over a real car steering columns wheel. That’s why there aren’t a lot of extra useful effects such as in rf2 or ACC.
- all of the pro drivers have actually said that iracing is harder than IRL, there’s less grip that there would be IRL, but it is pretty close. A pro Porsche cup driver said that the las pcup update made the car feeling 90% similar than the real Porsche cup car.
All in all iracing has some flaws, and in the end it’s all about personal tastes, luckily we have a lot of sims now a days, but in regards to online competition, trying to reproduce a real experiencie, there’s no competition to iracing.
That being said I hope you give iracing a chance, as when you start competing online here, you realize how good iracing really is.
Edit: also, there’s rain coming to iracing, expected to come in the end of 2021, or starts of 2022
All these features seem to be great but it worth all the money?
You can have a lot of fun for years playing with AC + ACC + rfactor2 with less than a $100!!
@@abdelchk3671 it’s different, in iracing you are paying for the service, you got to think that iracing has thousands of servers on 24/7, constant updates, special events, customer support. You can’t think of iracing as a “game” it’s subscription based service, which will only be worth it if you enjoy it and maximize its resources. In acc servers are made by players, there non organization. That is a “game”. Most of the people who is in iracing is in for the competitiveness, not for driving around. And if you only drive one or two series is not that expensive, that 1500usd is only if you buy all the content, which you will never use
@@abdelchk3671 it is expensive, and if any of the other sims could create an ecosystem that let me race competitively against other people at any time of the day then i would probably be racing them. But they haven't. And for me, and the thousands of others that use iracing, that is what keeps us coming back.
Also, think about this. if you're like me, you've got a racing setup you've spent many thousands of dollars (pounds) on. Is it really that expensive to pay a monthly subscription at about 8 dollars a month with discounts and 2 or 3 tracks every quater running to about 15 dollars a month?
@@abdelchk3671 There is literally nobody else offering this level of detail of tracks and cars + constant official online racing. I and many iRacing users would be happy to ditch it if ACC offered this type of multiplayer competition, but it doesn't.
@@abdelchk3671 Well in ACC you get a bunch of Gt3 cars and some tracks. In iRacing you buy single items like the car you want to race and each track you need or want.
And then there is the subscription. But I‘m okay with that, because they online experienced is superb. From servers around the world to a working report system, After a year of iracing I was never disappointed (just by my own lap times and getting involved in crashes..)
The yellow issue is actually the thing that keep me racing in iRacing, long run races your not killing your eyes, it is very relaxing and not aggressive expecially when you are sitting 600mm from triple 32inches screens.
While I agree with your feedback for the most part, however, I feel like you didn't touch the multiplayer component at all, which is the big selling point in iRacing.. You didn't mention the multiplayer competitions system (the 13 weeks season), iRating, safty rating and the amount of concurrent players online ready to fight in each races happening every 2 hours. Other games and trust me I own all of them the multiplayer is dead.. even ACC in Australia seems no one is aware of simgrid...
P.S I am not an iRacing fanboy, iRacing almost made me quit simracing!
As a side note iRacing with a Simucube 2 Pro feels amazing, butter smooth and zero latency ;) But, that being said, I totally agree with you regarding ffb, with the budget they got, it should be the industry standard.. 60Hz resolution is just ridiculous
Same, I love the eyecandy of AC with all the mods but especially in VR Iracing is so much more relaxing to the eyes for longer sessions.
It's very strange that iracing still has such a huge playerbase, even when it's so outdated in every way. Maybe there just hasn't been a good enough replacement on the market yet.
I used to hate iRacings FFB. SimCommander 4 has made it one of my favorite sims now. It’s one of the biggest reasons I refuse to get rid of my Accuforce V2 wheel.
Just got my accuforce not long ago.. do you run any game ffb or just foundation?
@@cory1944 I’ll have to look at my old settings when I get a chance. Lately I’ve been using the cloud tuning feature and just dialing in the total strength to my liking.
You have way more yellow than I’ve ever seen in iRacing even after you corrected the footage? Is it a hardware or calibration issue on your end?
That said I did like your before and afters and I’m sure it would be an improvement.
Iracing has been my main since I began sim racing, but it is starting to feel dated in comparison to other sims. FFB, Graphics and sounds are in need of major improvement, instead of new uphill tracks and cars to pay for. Raceroom is slowly becoming my fav for the FFB alone amongst other things. Great vid! And nice lap of the nords 👍
no need to fix as long as you keep paying.
nice driving on the Nords and a fair and competent review (and comparison) with a comprehensible summary. Great Ermin content as always. Forgot to say that iR graphics look and perform remarkably well in VR.
Performs well yes, but the graphics really aren't good and there's something about the way iRacing looks that just seems... off. It gives me a feeling of "I don't want to be here", whereas the Assettos feel like nice places to be in VR. Maybe it's the combination of iRacing's strange colouring and subpar graphics or something, but it's too uncanny valley for me in VR.
Best 410 winged sprint car experience in VR on a motion rig with fanatec dd2, only on iRacing.
it's pretty epic.
We almost lost him guys, almost
iracing is the best for multiplayer online VR as far as I've experienced.
Such a real race fan vid thanks the full laps at the end GOAT of a track respect
coffee with Ola made me laught! nice to see fellow a metalhead in the sim community. Also, agreed 100% with your opinion on Iracing and some indycar and nascar drivers also said similar things! Great video
Finally someone who isn't fanboying over iRacing 😅 I mean it's good, but it's way overhyped I feel
Agreed. I think it's just cos it's seen as the sim for pros that makes it so popular.
@@robertcarr4172 For me it's simply because it's the only sim that really does online multiplayer properly.
@@robertcarr4172 1000%
@@Daz555Daz that's my pov too... but there's still room for improvement : UI, graphics, physics, price...
If all you want to do is drive, then ac is great. But the ranked online multiplayer on iracing is unmatched, and if you're interested in ovals, its your only option
8:43 Some tracks are outdated but The Nürburgring and particulary The Nordschleife in iRacing is the best representation of all the public sims, and i'm saying that because i just drove the touristenfahrten one week ago
What about rfactor 2?
Biggest thing to me that got me into iRacing was because of all the things you could do and gain from iRacing from originally being on console with just Nascar Heat.
Very honest review which I definitely appreciate though.
Fantastic review. I ethically can't do this type of sim racing either thanks to the predatory impression I've gathered about it. Nice to hear it so eloquently ranked as to what I might be missing but still doesn't sound like good value. Thanks for all the info 👍
So, out of curiosity, how do you rank the various sims out there today from "Best to worst" in your opinion?
@@JJ_Khailha This clown placed Dirt Rally 2.0 above ACC, lol
@@kak8895 obviously he has Rally as a priority. So? ACC has no value to someone that wants Rally.
@@Krovven I thought it was best to worst not based on priority. Having played both games I can say ACC does what it tries to achieve best than arcade Rally 2.0
@@kak8895 and someone's best of list opinion is going to be effected by their priorities. That's common sense.
@@JJ_Khailha so you are contradicting your own best of list? I never said anything about AC. But you put Dirt Rally 2.0 above ACC which indicates you do prioritize Rally. Typical morons contradicting themselves and then arguing with the person that defended their opinion in the first place. Gotta love morons on the internet.
Honestly a good fair review all in all! :) But I am confused about your rant about FFB specs and then later state how good you are feeling the Porsche... Perhaps its not all about numbers, but also about good implementation.
i just got in to iracing like 6 or 9 months ago Would love to see you there giving it ago to share your full experience there good and bad ...... nice video as always
Enjoyed the Review
IRacing is unrivalled in VR. A truly fantastic experience.
That's one thing I'll give Iracing, the VR experience was good.
I can't do VR I tried with Assetto Corsa and it made me sick, like vertigo headache sick , do you get used to VR ? Mind you I get that weird inertia feeling if I stop then reverse really quickly in sim racing, its like my inner ear/ balance whatchya ma call it thing anticipating actually moving ...
100% accurate. The textures are worlds better than any other sim and it can actually run at 90hz. No competition in vr
I race in VR only and Iracing and AMS2 are the ones that have a intuitive and good experience.
@@Skippy-id9yt Reversing in VR if you don't have a sturdy inner ear will absolutely fuck you up. Definitely stay away from that until you've gotten yourself used to VR.
I'm a VR-only racer. What I found (and you'll see this advice repeated around the internet) is that the best way to get used to VR is to not push yourself right off the bat. The second you start to feel odd, get the headset off and stabilize your inner ear. Then, once you're good to go, the headset can go back on. It's a process for sure, it won't happen immediately, and how quickly you get used to VR will depend on your unique inner ear, but the above processed worked wonders for me, and now VR is seamless.
FWIW, my first title in VR was Dirt Rally. Do not be like me! I damn near threw up from all the bouncing. To be honest, while I can go around Sebring for an hour no problem in VR, a long rally stage can really test my inner ear. So, YMMV.
Another word of advice is to play with camera settings like horizon lock, in-car movement, etc. Personally, I prefer to lock my in-game head to the car, because it prevents an unconscious conflict between seeing me experience G-forces within the car while not actually feeling any. But people are different, and some people live by at least a bit of in-car movement. Play around.
iRacing is my favorite sim but I can't disagree with most of what was said. The FFB update rate is embarassing. I do think the graphics rant is a little misguided though. Hard to say ACC has the best graphics when VR is pretty much unplayable.
A customer of 10+ years myself and not a pro sim racer, it does have its faults and it has lots of issues but I keep going back to it after trying RR/rFactor2/ACC. Plus the sun emits a yellow hint...... The FFB is taken directly from the driveshaft of the front and they do need to update this to run higher now.
Idk if you can say "yellow land" but Im with you man! Awesome, informative, review!
Sorry Ermin, what did you do for the whole weekend in iRacing? You didn't "dive into the ranked ecosystem???" seriously? if not then you completely missed the point of iracing mate.
I'm with you with most points.
But believe it or not, I like the graphics (except the yellow ;) never recognized that. Thank you, know I will see it every time :P ;)). On the other hand I find the ACC graphics very weired. Never get it to a point I like it.
And big one thing I like iRacing most is the iRating and SR system. You can race against others of your skill. And most of my races are clean. Some crashes are normal in sim racing ;)
There are no alien drivers in your official races in my skill level. So you have the chance to win races and not getting frustrated getting overlapped in a long race. For a hobby driver who does sim racing for two or three days a week, its perfect. This is why I like iRacing the most. And because I dont like racing against AI, iRacing is the best for me.
@Djurre Diels yes, I know. But iRacing is the King of the Sims in case of skill balanced races.
Plus I have no weird graphics. I set it correct in ACC and tried many different settings, but nothing was good for me.
I stay with iRacing.
When I tried ACC or other sims, I every time tgought, I could do iRacing races or practice instead. This showed me, I stay were I am 😉
@@jensweber7106 That feeling of “well I’m paying for it, need to get my moneys worth?”
Iracing was the first major sim I ever tried, so when I jumped into ACC, i thought my car was going to fall apart because of all the clunks and bangs in the sound design lol
I didn't even notice the yellow until this video. Now I can't unsee
I can't believe you've done an iRacing review without really speaking about the multiplayer. This is its main asset and it hides all the flaws of this sim.
I feel like you were not introduced properly to this game and missed out all the potential.
Being in simracing for over 2 decades, and 15 years on FFB wheels.... I would say this review is very accurate. Including remarks about other sims. Well done Ermin!
Good assessment. All the criticisms you pointed out are real, and I've noticed or experienced them myself.
I do wonder if the "yellow" effect is intentional to balance how it looks on a wide variety of different (read: lower quality) monitors.
The Nurburgring was build to be a test track after all, Nordschleife and Sudschleife and Steilstrecke were all made to test different aspects, so giving it its own section for testing purposes seems appropriate.
I have to disagree with you on graphics Ermin. It's not that important in sims. They have day and night transitions and honestly that's all that matters. Also iracing runs really well on a variety of PC's and in vr. You're right about white balance tho
The yellow to me makes for more dramatic and realistic replays, no idea why but it does
you defo missed the most of the stuff which makes iRacing above all, maybe you should really get a dive into it. You completly left the Multiplayer, VR, Team-Races, Laserscanned Tracks, RX, Oval, Dirt Oval. There so much, no otger sim is capable to offer that amount of content.
I was racing R3e in eSports for about a year, but the graphics, handling model are sometimes gross.
ACC I'm racing here & then, but not a blast - lack of content and that stupid Kerb-Jumping is really annyoing
Kerbs and brakes on acc feels weird. Acc in gt3 also have a weird feeling of translating in curb like, you are sliding but neither over or under steering. Just getting pushed out of the track. On gt4 i understand it could happen but not gt3. And yeah iracing best part is multiplayer experience physic is great but not perfect. Iceracing was meant to slap on grass/gravel grip you have compare to r3e or acc i ve drive on. But the « passenger slide » is an irl thing that happen a lot! Its physics and no return point is a thing.
Sound is ok on ir but i miss the immersion of acc tho. R3e is good but really irregular. Some cars doesn’t sound at all like irl.
None are perfect. But the only one with true multiplayer a lot of content and variety is iracing. Some may criticise ir and sr, i feel like ir should be class related and not only kind of race related. Gt4/gt3/gte/lmp should have different ir. As they dont drive the same. And r3e is okay ish with its new system, acc is far back and public lobby are meh. And rf2 i just got it and still havent got the time to drive it. But its brand new. And ams2 have no competitive and ranking mp.
Ignoring this part in simracing is ignoring essence. Racing against ia isn’t real simracing as only human behavior really represent some simulation of racing. :)
You wouldn’t watch a robot f1 race…. ^^
A killer feature that no other sim has, and it is a SIM feature - you can have any input bindings.
Do you want to have 2 levers for adjusting ARB like in a real V8 Supercar or an Indycar? You can.
How about an actual ignition switch, that you flick on...
12 position dials for in car adjustments? go for it.
Crazy enough to use an analog input for your brake bias? We won't stop you.
If you can think of it, you can bind it.
That NFS High stakes song in your nordschleife part is perfect.
Many IRL pilots do not agree with your conclusions about force feedback feeling :D
and yeah, they compare with real
Iracing's force feedback is serviceable and ok for a lot of us on g29s and other lower budget wheels. But for people with better wheels... it can be rather meh..
Also the forcefeedback only runs at 60hz which by default makes it not that great.
@@PegAsi_ IRL pilot don't use low budget wheelbases) Simucube ultimate, dd2, custom wheelbase, but not g2x or equal.
added. btw all dd have "function autocatch spins", nondd can't do it)
Everything you said is pretty much spot on, but without getting your own account and actually racing with it, you're missing out on why this decade old sim is still so popular. For people that don't have a schedule that allows for league racing, being able to pop in at almost any time and find a great race is what makes iRacing worth its price.
This. It’s 2021 and no other sim seems to understand the value proposition of hourly drop-in ranked racing that iRacing has been delivering on for over a decade.
It’s why they’re the market leader.
@@shovas Also people see the cost of all the available content and say it's too expensive, but who signs up for iRacing and immediately buys every track and car across all four modes? There's a ton of free content, and now and then you spring for $12-15 to add a car or track and spice things up.
@@Sighman I completely agree. I've been on iRacing for a little under a year and at this point am paying on average ~$10 a month, which I pretty much just the subscription. You don't need to buy everything all at once. Just buying the cars once you get to them you and a few tracks every now and then and you're set. Not to mention the participation bonus which can pretty much pay for the subscription on its own if you race enough.
It's about time you delved into iRacing.
I posted a long comment encouraging you to do so a month or two ago so I'm very happy to see this video on your channel. I personally felt like your opinions on iRacing would change the moment you gave it a shot and I'm glad to see that this was indeed the case. The opinions in this video compared to your previous sentiments are exactly the reason why we should never live in a bubble. It's very important to experience things first hand before forming opinions and judgement.
I still 100% understand your stance on iRacing as a company but I'm very glad to see that you finally assessed iRacing's product like all of the other sim platforms you comment on. It's just too bad that you didn't get a chance to truly experience multiplayer progression as that is where iRacing's true value lives. iRacing is very far from perfect, but what it does well it does exceedingly well. That is the case for each and every one of the sim racing platforms we enjoy. Different strokes for different folks.
Cheers, Ermin. I gain respect for your opinions with each video I watch. Keep it up. :)
Erimin, thanks for posting. I drive my 3DOF in VR. BUT I only have drove the rig in AC. I have the other titles but no time to try them. I kinda always wanted to try I racing (since I used to race in real) but like I said.. no time (currently).. Thanks again buddy! DMAX motion sim CH
Reshade and irFFB are must haves with iRacing. But yea...iRacing is an acquired taste
As a very long time iRacing member and one of people bugging you about your refusal to try iRacing in a few of your comments sections, I'm very happy to see that you finally tried it and I agree with a large portion of your feedback. In regards to the driving feel near the limit, that has been by far the biggest physics improvement in the sim over the last few years. They finally started getting it right when they released the 911 Cup car and it's only been getting better since. Still far from perfect, but also far from what it used to be. As for the parts I disagree on, here are the two main ones:
Graphics - I know iRacing isn't always the most photogenic sim, but I actually really like the clean, sharp look of the game. Other games like ACC seem to get too caught up in post processing effects that cause the game to have a muddy look. I've never been able to get ACC to look the way I want it to. A lot of games tend to overcompensate with their graphical effects, much like how you showed the overcompensation of car dynamics from the external camera (which I loved that you brought that up, as it's my favorite part of iRacing's presentation). I think iRacing looks the most natural of the bunch. I never have noticed the yellow tint though...I have a bad feeling that now it's gonna be one of those "things that have been seen cannot be unseen" situations now XD
The other part I take a little issue with is the final conclusion that included the phrase "...sans the multiplayer experience..." I certainly understand that it's tough to review such a robust system, especially when having to tiptoe around the iRacing TOS, but I also think it's a little unfair to chuck 95% of a game's value proposition out the window in the summary. The multiplayer system is what makes the game what it is; the netcode, the ranking, the matchmaking, the special events, etc. As I've said in previous comments on your channel, until another game comes anywhere close to what iRacing offers here, I find it incredibly hard to either praise or criticize the pricing model compared to other sims that simply don't offer the same things. With that said, it is most certainly not for an average sim racer with only a passing interest and/or a light wallet.
One thing that didn't get touched on (at least not directly) was the sheer variety of racing disciplines - Asphalt road, dirt road, asphalt oval, dirt oval, stadium trucks etc. There is not a single other sim on the market that offers all of that, so they literally have whole market segments to themselves at the moment. As someone who enjoys asphalt road and both dirt and asphalt oval, I love having one place to do all of that. Also, I can't tell you the number of times I've seen/heard about people who have never had an interest in a certain type of racing, but tried it in iRacing and ended up really enjoying it, and are now big fans of racing series that they had never considered before.
Overall, I really enjoyed the video and I'm glad you finally came around to trying it. Aside from the couple of things I just mentioned, I largely agree with your feedback. You did a good job pointing out your preconceived notions and how the reality reflected or debunked them. Nice work!
You couldn’t say it better, there are also a few things I have said in a comment here, that I think ermin should know to better understand iracing, such as the ffb, which tries to represent only what you would feel in real life, no canned effects, only 100% physics based ffb. Hence not having that much info compared to rf2. But something iracing does great, is giving a lot of ffb in the LFE( buttkickers and bass shakers). You would be surprised about how much more info you can get through LFE ffb than through the wheel. Any other sim doesn’t have this option, it’s all third party’s soft like simhub, and it is very bad in comparison with LFE
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That drift through aqua at the end was so funny
The urin-yellow is making me sleepy when driving iRacing and it should since the body increase it's melatonin-level when watching sunset-colors. Now I need a nap😔
A few other things that are great in iRacing:
The updates are endless and insane if you compare them to other games
As long as you are not driving in daylight the graphics aren't actually that bad
The team racing is unparalleled
If you like to not only do road racing this is an amazing sim. If you only do oval, rx and/or oval dirt I'd say this is your best option.
Everything for some reason has a really "premium" feel. Everything is smooth sailing compared to others (namely rF2). For some reason it manages to make really difficult to understand things, really simple and I really love that idea. It's just really smart.
It's marketed as a racing school rather than a game.
The dev team
And last but not least obviously the multiplayer system. This is what iRacing is about and I do think you have to give it a shot to really know why it's so good😄
Some things I don't like:
The prize😖 Although I do justify it by designing liveries for people it still shouldn't be this expensive
The community in some parts
The yellow graphics at daylight
Some tracks have outdated graphics
The FFB in most cars (lmp2 for example is much better than normal)
The American mentality. Although sometimes this is also a + I do get irritated sometimes. It's a bit of a positive and a negative.
I think overall it would be the best game out there if it was a bit less pricy. I always seem to want to go back in iRacing and to be perfectly honest I don't know why. To me it's just really refreshing compared to other sims that felt "heavy" and made me really tired. That said it isn't the king at the moment
I looked into it but cant not justify the cost.
13:10
*hears NFS IV soundtrack in the background*
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well..
13:47 What the hell. I've been subscribed to Ola Englund for years, subscribed to you as a "sim racer" this summer, and NOW I hear you worked for Periphery, Plini, Devin Townsend, etc.? What?! Nice! Lol.
iRacing's pricing model has made it so that the game isn't even on my radar. I would never consider "owning" this game.
yes you may only rent the game
same
No offense but I enjoy the high cost because it keeps much of the arcade racers and children off the radar. I almost always have a clean race vs that of ACC or anything else for that matter
@@soldeera does the community race when i want ot race though? Some weeks it will be early evening. Others it will be 1 in the morning - like now.
FFB only 60hz? I've honestly never noticed that it was that bad. iRacing's FFB has always felt pretty good to me tbh.
Then maybe it's not just about the numbers and there is something else they do right
60hz compares really bad with 1000hz or what ever the wheel can do. Even to 120Hz it compares badly. But in order to fill 1khz with REAL FFB signals, you actually have to generate/SIMULATE the tires and springs and dampers and chassis flex and aero 1000 times a second. And even though modern computers are really awesome and cool and stuff, that is simply impossible with single CPU consumer level AMD/Intel boards/chips. So big BUMMER, something is applying a 'Filter' to the signal, be it the FFB Wheelbase, FFB Wheel Software or the sim itself. Granted, iracing should generate a signal which is providing a good feeling with modern days direct drive wheels(I am using the simucube 2 pro and it feels very sandy without filters on 60Hz iracing ffb) but it's not really required since it wouldn't do faster/better than the solutions built into the wheels. (The wheel controllers that apply those filters are actually faster/introducing less latency than the software solutions. Which means, if iracing is interpolating the simulation data so that a 1khz ffb signal can be generated, it might just be slower ;) )
Some of us iRacers don't use the FFB directly. For instance, I have an Accuforce wheelbase that uses the Sim Commander software to set up profiles, strength, etc. It has built in filtering and added effects derived from telemetry. So some of the "seat of the pants" forces actually get mixed back in for some folks using different wheel software.
If I boot up iRacing without Sim Commander, my wheelbase feels COMPLETELY different in how it translates the FFB.
Had never really noticed the yellow until now lol. Always thought Iracing had a unique look to it and I actually like the graphics especially for how much they are able to squeeze out of such an old engine (my gtx 1660 appreciates it). Not sure I can ever not notice the yellow now though, thanks. 😂