Why NASCAR on NBC FAILED the First Time
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Nowadays NASCAR on NBC is the favorite broadcast partner for the majority of racing fans. With such great moments and great progress with NASCAR it was odd though to many why they broke it off with NASCAR after the 2006 season. Today we look back, at the reasons they were good, the reasons they were bad, and everything in between 2001 and 2006. This is why NASCAR on NBC failed the first time.
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What is your favorite NASCAR on NBC moment?
2021 Coke 400(the only time they did good in my personal opinion)
2022 Martinsville (Fall Race)
My favorite moment was when they revamped themselves in 2015.
It’s probably pure nostalgia, but I could re-watch any race from the second half of ‘05-06 just to hear Bill, BP, and Wally.
Felt like they could make the most boring races exciting just by having a conversation on the side.
Nothing beats Kellie Stavast lying live on a national TV broadcast saying that the crowd was chanting, “Let’s Go Brandon”. Epic Cringe became permanently etched into the nation’s political culture.
Loved NASCAR on NBC during the early 2000’s. They had great coverage and great personalities as well.
Allen Bestwick is my favorite NASCAR announcer ever!
Nobody could ever top Bob Jenkins or Ken Squier regardless of what network NASCAR was on. Just saying 😄
@@Napoli41482 we all can have our opinions, that's just mine.
@@justingriffith735 Of course, and I respect that.
@@Napoli41482 no argument there. But in this generation of nascar, it’s definitely Mike Joy and Allen Bestwick.
@@hamlinfanVA Yeah, I can agree to that. Maybe I'm just a bit nostalgic with certain things. 😆
NBC was solid from 2001-2004 but the commercials, the decline of broadcast quality after 2004, and the Dateline race baiting incident gave NBC a bad reputation. NBC has mostly repaired its reputation with NASCAR since 2015 thanks to its broadcasts but there are still some big problems with NBC that FOX haters fail to point out.
I believe the biggest, is not showing more races on its own channel. Too many races are shown on USA, I don’t understand why they show more races not on it’s own network. But this is NBC we’re talking about, a network that shows one MLB game on its own channel then puts everything else on Peacock. Then on top of that, they won’t even simulcast any NASCAR race on USA too Peacock. Their announcing is absolutely horrid, Jeff Burton yells way too much, and Earnhardt Jr. isn’t much better either, Letard is okay, but likes to repeat himself over and over and over again. It’s a broadcast that I don’t look forward too.
Then nbc pushes the races to usa if it goes longer than scheduled like bro nobody care about local news
With everything being shunted to Peacock and the same 6 commercials in constant rotation - it’s hard to watch any of NBCs coverage. Will not give them more money and attention for IMSA GT and Indy cars - never mind NASCAR. I’ll find alternatives
Correction: NBC broadcasted the 1999 and 2000 Homestead races probably because they had a deal with the track.
Yeah, prior to 2001 the tracks picked their broadcasters
Yes they did. NBC aired the Homestead race originally from 1999-2006. The 1999 and 2000 Homestead races was of course the only race NBC would air during those years since those years still saw NASCAR's TV contracts negotiated individually by each track, and Homestead was probably the only track NBC could get a contract with. I think this was another motivator for NASCAR shifting its TV rights away from the tracks to NASCAR itself under centralized deals. They probably felt it was BS that NBC got to air only one race and probably wanted more races for the networks. Of course the 2001-2006 Homestead races aired on NBC as part of the centralized deal where it was one of 20 races to air on either NBC or TNT. Then of course under the 2007-2014 contract, the Homestead race aired on ABC from 2007-2009 then 2010-2014 on ESPN with the race returning to NBC in 2015 then it aired briefly on Fox in 2020 and 2021 before yet again returning to NBC in 2022.
The 2002 Sharpie 500 in general. It seemed like the trio was just having a good time watching and commenting on the chaos in that race. Almost like they were just a couple of good buddies getting together 😊
I had sort of drifted away from NASCAR during NBC's first stint covering the sport, but my most striking memory of that era came before any car had turned a wheel on the network in 2001. NBC broke into its NBA broadcast (Lakers vs. somebody) with the news Dale Earnhardt Sr. was dead. In comparison with FOX, who broadcast that Daytona 500 but made no on-air announcement (until, I think, FSN's National Sports Report;; confirmation of his death came after the telecast ended), it was a classy, respectful move.
Rumor has it that Fox ran a crawl on the bottom of the screen during a Futurama episode
I think an underrated part of this was that Brian Williams was a the weekend national anchor in 2001 and was a big NASCAR/Dale fan
@@kjambrose I’ll give you another example. Chase Elliott wins his first race and Brian France has his DUI incident in the Hamptons.
NBCs NASCAR show aired before Race Hub did. NBC covered both the first win and the DUI.
FOX only covered the first win. Right before a commercial break, Adam Alexander briefly touched on France’s DUI and that was it😭.
Not only that, but the next night Dale Sr's death was the top story on NBC Nightly News.
You know what NBC had that was great back then? Rain delay coverage. They would go in depth with drivers, crew cheifs, owners, and even have some great comedy in there. I miss old rain delay coverage for real.
And believe it or not, considering these days they are willing to bump races to USA at 6:00 PM, NBC was the first OTA network for NASCAR who WOULDN"T dump their races to their cable partner in the event of a long rain delay
Besides the 3 wins by Dale Earnhardt Jr in 2001, and his 2004 Daytona 500 win, I would say Bill Elliott winning the 2002 Brickyard 400 Jamie McMurray getting the win at Charlotte in 2002, and Jimmie Johnson's Atlanta win in 2004. Plus the last race in the Winston Cup era in 2003 when Bobby Labonte getting his last win and Terry Labonte's final win in the 2003 Southern 500.
It was actually 1999 it started not 2000 but only for homestead
Benny Parsons was diagnosed with cancer in 2006. That also did not help NBC
I liked NBC's first run. they definitely made a mistake by putting bill weber as lead commentator. he was better off as a pit reporter
I always had a problem with Dallenbach in the booth. His biggest accolade was a pole win and yet he’s up there harshly critiquing Jeff Gordon of all people on his driving strategy. Typically the in-booth former driver was someone who had some sort of accomplishment to their name, with him it just felt like a guy which couldn’t cut it in the track got a job trying to tell those who actually still had a job of what to do. Just rubbed me the wrong way.
Well Dallenbach is a legend in trans am/IMSA and has won some of the biggest sports car races in the world.
So he had the racing accolades but I get it’s not Nascar related. But the dude was a wheelman.
When Dallenbach was driving in Cup, my nickname for him was Dolly Fallingback
@@bobbyblair8478 which would be important if he was calling Trans Am/IMSA and/or sports car races. You don't see John Force critiquing Marco Andretti's driving during the Indy 500.
Ok with that Metallica intro how could it fail 😂
That song is "Fuel"
@@muhammadwahyuhidayat21498 thank you i knew that 😂
@@caydenchilders7858 Always:)
2001-2004 nbc/tnt NASCAR coverage was great, especially when the opening song fuel from Metallica really got you hyped for the race.
I remember preferring Fox over NBC at the time, probably because of the tragedy at Daytona that they went through, but also because I learned a lot from DW & Larry Mac (I was young and new). In retrospect, both teams were excellent. There will never be a better era for motorsports TV coverage. Afterwards, it seemed as though criticism of (or even questioning) NASCAR's decisions was highly discouraged, if not forbidden.
I also found Bill Weber irritating as a play by play man, but in the years that followed I discovered worse alternatives like Adam Alexander, Marty Ried, and Vince Welch. Bill was a great pitlane reporter and prerace host, but while not great in the booth, I prefer him over the 3 I just named.
Weber was also more recognizable than anyone else on NBC/TNT, having worked at ESPN/ABC Speedworld in the 90s.
I like that era because Like nascar on fox it gave us a badass soundtrack
Dateline actually did that? WTF
I always thought NASCAR on MBC was pretty good back in the day. Not as good as FOX, but still really good
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I think it only failed at the end of the contract, but 2002 was great, especially the Sharpie 500 which is arguably the best coverage of a race that I've seen.
It's a crime that NBC had Allen Bestwick on pit road
He should have replaced Weber as pre race host instead of Weber doing both pre race and the race
Took years for Bestwick to return the booth until ESPN lost NASCAR
It definitely fell after BP died and Alan wasn't in the booth
BP's death doesn't correlate at all as to why Nascar & NBC's first run fell off considering he passed away in January 2007, a couple months after the 2006 season ended along with NBC's broadcast deal.
My Opinion
@@JJA1987 its not an Opinion its a wrong statement from you
It's certainly not
BP was one of the best announcers NASCAR ever had in my opinion.
I agree with you.
The intro was so rad
One rumor that I remember reading a couple of years ago as to why Bestwick was moved from the booth to pre-race duties permanently was because he and Wally Dallenbach didn't get along very well. Anybody know if there's any truth to this or was it just hearsay?
I remember it very well. There was one race where they got into it with each other on air. Can't remember what it was about but I remember it happening.
That's a very interesting as to why NASCAR On NBC failed the 1st time you touched on when they decided to trade roles for Allen Bestwick, and Bill Weber. I understood why did at first but have Weber be lead commentator was strange. Now I'm not saying Bill Weber was terrible which he was not, I felt like having AB there made sense to lead. And then NBC had a lame duck year in 2006, which did not help them after NBC got back into the NFL and Sunday Night Football, and then the infamous Dateline episode as well did not help NBC and everybody there in NASCAR was like get them off NBC, Now they work together again.
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Allen Bestwick, BP, and Wally is just a god tier commentator team from NASCAR
Let’s be real here
(Late) Benjamin "Benny BP" Parsons
They also had a one race trial in 1999 as well 😉
I swear if they ever bring back fuel, I'm gonna scream like a school girl
Replacing Allen Bestwick with Bill Weber in 2005 didn't help! That was the nail in the coffin for me!
Then Weber getting fired before 2005 was finished
@@danieljackett4193 pretty sure that was 2009 with TNT.
Bestwick and Wally Dallenbach also didn't get along. I remember one race where they got into it on air.
They should have just fired Wally Dallenbach or moved him to the pits, not move Bestwick to pit road!
Honestly ESPN should've never gotten an 8 year deal. Maybe just a 5 year deal which would mean the end of it would be 2011. Plus speed didn't go off air until the middle of 2013. Pfft
2011 is when ESPN actually got good
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Allen Bestwick was also a GOAT pit reporter at MRN before he was NBC/TNT's PBP man
The original NASCAR on NBC is and will always be better than current reboot NASCAR on NBC
NASCAR On NBC and USA/Peacock to this day,the Broadcast on Nascar has never forget like this one.
Dale Jr does a good job though. U gotta admit, Ian
@@kjprodouctions9050 he’s honesty the good and maybe the only good thing about the reboot
Radio style broadcasts are the only good thing on reboot Nascar on NBC.
@@travisglantonthetowerenthusias oooo I love that part too
Starting grid theme
One thing missed... in 2006 Daytona 500 qualifying, due to NBC having the Winter Olympics, they bumped about the last 8 cars (Including Big Names like Sadler, Stewart, and Gordon) to Speed instead of TNT.
Also, another sign of NBC being a lame duck? Instead of having NBC's first race of the summer being in Chicago, like they did in 2002/2004... instead NBC's first race was the 2006 Brickyard 400, with Chicago airing on TNT.
NBC didn't want NASCAR outside of the Daytona 500 for 2006 anyway. There were rumors that after NBC lost the package for 2007-2014, the network went to NASCAR for permission to sell their non-Daytona 500 races to TNT (who were continuing on), but NASCAR essentially told them to pound sand.
I really miss Allen Bestwick.
I think why it’s worked better the second run is because they went back to merge the best of what worked the first time and infused it with some sensibilities from the ESPN Speedworld era.
It always feels fresh because they’re resurrecting broadcasting concepts that sort of just died off around the early 00’s.
It feels like a race you’d put on in ‘98 or something.
Though Bestwick is amazing Ken Squier and Mike Joy are thee GOATS
Nowadays, NBC is better than ever for NASCAR now
I hope that NBC comes back in 2025. I used to dislike them back in the late 2010's but ever since 2021, I started to like them more than FOX.
@@-saltheknight-7318 Not For ESPN and NASCAR On CBS/Paramount Plus will be Return of The Broadcast since Last Race at Daytona Pepsi 400 Cup Series and Chevy Silverado 250 Craftsman Truck series in 2000.
The Dateline thing really wouldn't have been so bad had they taken the reactions they got and made it into a positive story about how welcoming the NASCAR crowd was. It was the dumping of the segment because of the welcoming response they got that's the real issue. Sending people in undercover to gauge the kind of reaction a crowd gets to something is not in itself a bad thing, after all, it is in fact very informative when you go into it just wanting to know the results, whether they be good or bad.
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My favorite moment from NASCAR on NBC's first tenure was Jeff Gordon clinching his 2001 NASCAR Winston Cup Series Championship.
Alan Bestwick during a race: "Gimme Fuel, Gimme Fire. Wally?"
Wally Dallenbach: "Gimme That which I desire"
For some reason I weirdly remember that
I think a huge reason for NBC chasing NASCAR coverage in the late 90s and early 2000s was because NBC stopped doing the NFL in 1998 as a result of losing the AFC leg of the NFL to CBS. CBS had regained NFL coverage after a 4-year hiatus as a result of losing the NFC TV rights to Fox in 1994. I think NBC went after NASCAR for counterprogramming to fill the Sunday afternoon timeslots where they were no longer doing football. They probably chose NASCAR as it was the second-biggest thing in the country at the time and was possibly looking at rivaling football. NBC probably chose not to go after NASCAR for the 2007-2014 contract probably because they decided to pursue NFL coverage once again after acquiring broadcast rights to Sunday Night Football from ESPN for the 2006 NFL season. This actually created a conflict in the fall of 2006 where the post-race of some NBC races in September-November of 2006 had to be shifted to CNBC if the NASCAR race on NBC overlapped with the pre-game show for NBC's Sunday Night Football coverage. What NBC did with Sunday Night Football of course eventually made Sunday Night Football the most-watched program in America. Then of course NBC chose to reacquire NASCAR in 2015 while still keeping Sunday Night Football. I think the goal ratings-wise with NASCAR in 2015 was to increase NASCAR ratings by using it as a lead-in to Sunday Night Football. All this to say basically the centralized NASCAR deals and NFL broadcast deals went hand-in-hand.
Yep. If you remember, NBC used to have College Football on a full time basis, but CBS/ABC bid on those conferences and won, and NBC bid on doing every Norte Dame Home Game, since 1991, but without the NFL, Norte Dame was all they had, so NASCAR just felt right on their station, and Notre Dame games were good lead in’s to NASCAR coverage on Saturday Nights. The 2005 game between Notre Dame vs USC overlapped, so NBC allowed NASCAR to postpone the race for 14 minutes until the football game was over, and as soon as the football game ended, they immediately switched it to NASCAR and the green flag flew.
@@justinturley7071 To add about the Charlotte fall race, it was probably considered landmark when the fall Charlotte race was moved from Sunday afternoon to Saturday night in 2003 that the race remained on NBC instead of going to TNT. In 2001 and 2002, there were 5 night races: the Coca-Cola 600, the Daytona summer race, both Richmond races, and the Bristol night race. The Coca-Cola 600 and the Daytona summer race both aired on network television (the Coca-Cola 600 on FOX, the Daytona summer race on NBC in 2001 and FOX in 2002) while the other three aired on cable. NBC retaining coverage of the fall Charlotte race even with its shift to Saturday nights signified primetime time slots were becoming lucrative for races broadcast on network television. In 2004, when Fontana gained a second race on Labor Day weekend, that race would be broadcast on NBC on network television. In 2005, Phoenix added a second race as a night race in the spring coinciding with the track's installment of lights. That race aired on FOX on network television. In 2005 also, Darlington was cut to one race with its lone race being shifted to Mother's Day weekend and becoming a night race also broadcasted on FOX. Like I said, night racing was becoming lucrative for over-the-air, which is why the new night races started during the mid-2000s were put network television instead of cable.
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They were great!
Bill Webber: Kevin Harvick sweeps at Bristol! (Seconds later) At Richmond.
Wally: Where are we Bill? You big dummy! 😂
NBC, the network that gifted us with “Let’s Go Brandon”. 😂
Replacing Allen Bestwick With Bill Weber Was A Bad Choice For NASCAR on NBC/TNT.
If only they kept the rights to Fuel for the 2nd time around... Also, NBC is becoming the Fox of the new era of NASCAR, whilst Fox has become so cringe and dumb. Ironic
NBC messed up replacing Alan Bestwick with Bill Webber in the booth imo.
10:33 damn that car kahne ran at indy was sexy af
NBC had the best grid theme
BP cue the duck!
Where are we bill?!
NBC round 2 has been much better. I was always a “FOX is the best” guy. Especially during the SPEED channel days since FOX owned that. Ever since SPEED channel fell, FOX coverage took a plummet. And ever since NBC came back in 2015, their coverage towers FOX. NBC right now is way better than FOX.
Also, NBC’s graphics are very visually appealing. FOX has gotten better in the last couple years with their new graphics package. But those stupid animated characters they use for the athletes are awful. Even other sports FOX broadcast people complain about it. FOX graphics are terrible.
@@nascarman14Rick Allen is actually maturing as an announcer. I think he’s doing well
The added cost of these various streaming platforms is problematic for me. No more 'live' viewing. Only YT after the fact.
For this fan, watching the xfinity series live is something I desire nearly as much as the Cup series.
Way out here in Idaho, I just take what is available, and not behind additional pay walls.
Bestwick > Joy
You know it's true
Damn seeing Miami flat again is kind of cursed
Pretty sure they had a try out in 1999 as well
Bring Nascar back to CBS Sports. They're plenty of room for grow there & succeed. They won't be much for them to compete with there. What else do the have beside the NFL & NCAA march madness? Bellator MMA?
There's not a single outward-facing media personality whose job is specifically formula one who's surprised about the recent popularity in Formula 1 they literally all blame the same thing as well. Their new attitude towards media and drive to survive it's literally not a mystery to anybody why it's becoming such a fad
3:17 except NASCAR was and is actually good, F1 ain't racing it's an engineering sport, the actual "races" are just parades of hyper aero sensitive cars and almost 0 mechanical failures to liven things up.
Agreed! The aspect of the F1 cars being utterly reliable takes away the suspense [of mechanical failures] with the 'event' [note I don't use the term 'race'] in the final laps.
*Here's the truth regarding why the first version of why the original NASCAR on NBC era failed:*
A. For some reason NASCAR on FOX was more popular, which I *never* understood. I always thought NBC/TNT was eons better in every way. And you can tell because of how stupid people would attack the 3 main announcers (Name calling & saying they suck & stuff; Basically things they aren't). Obviously people now know just how valuable Allen Bestwick really is, & compared to Mike Joy now.
B. The theory of NBC/TNT having "too many commercials". Both networks had this problem, but FOX way more. But of course that was ignored for the longest time. It wasn't until the last couple years people realize FOX is the bad one in terms of commercials.
C. The music change. A broadcasts momentum & mood can change drasitcally. Unfortunately it was a bad move for NBC to go from "Fuel" to... whatever that other music was. That music change was not a good one.
D. The Bestwick/Weber lead announcer swap. That one really hurt NBC. Fact of the matter was Bill Weber was not lead announcer material. NBC for some reason thought Weber was good enough to give him a try. That unfortunately was the final nail in the coffin for NBC's original tenure.
Bill Webber in the booth
NBC never gave me a reason to remember them.
This video is so interesting and amazing
The chase is nothing more than a forced recreation of 92 makes it feel cheap
Hi, I'm Allen Bestwick.
Get ready for NASCAR HEAT!
Contrived championship battle lol
back when Brian France had competence, even he knew what stupidity was.
He allowed the Chase to become a thing. So no, he didn't
@@tsholts5173 he had competnce meaning he caught the bs NBC was pulling in martinsville not the chase for the cup one later he was looney.
@@tsholts5173when you realize nascar had thought about making a points format like since the 90s
It actually didn’t
well for starters the racing was better.....
The Top 35, and Charters were the death of great racing
I always like nbc than fox especially with Allen, wally, and Bp.
as a fan i want less bull shit less commercials skits and mid race crap more about the race or racing maybe some stories about the history or have a specail guest driver tell about something that was on track like a fight or a point of view that nobodys seen yet at said paticualar track the anoucers usually go off topic of some talk they are having thats not even racing related and please go back to victory lane interviews and post race coverage
Mike Joy tweeted earlier this season that NASCAR "charges" (more like Fox agreed to pay) $25 million per race for the rights
Allen, BP and Wally were awesome in the booth. Bill Weber sucked, especially when he was in the booth
Remember NBC tried to race bait nascar fans how cowardly can you be
Nothing
AND i took too many Shots AND i Drunk AND i thank the Iceberg
I thought the reason why nbc replace Allen bestwick with Bill weber is when in 2004, Allen broke his leg and missed some races
Allen missed 1 race after his injury, the Talledega race, he returned the week later. It was actually Turner who got Bill Weber in the booth and wanted to fire Allen, but NBC didn’t, so it was due to NBC, that Allen stayed, although as a pit reporter.
no dale jr could be the answer
This guy really hates on FOX and I’m not sure why
NBC is annoying. At least replace Rick Alan. With Adam Alexander. And lose the overwhelming serious nasal yelping of Jeff and Steve.
@@johnhaas2523 I'm with u on that
If you watched Rick Allen call truck/Nationwide races on Speed Channel, he was always that "excited"
Steve and Dale Jr. ain't bad in the sense they each discussed the 2001 Pepsi 400; which my ideal lap by lap NBC pick Allen Bestwick called there. All they need with them is Dave, Marty, Wally and Bill TOGETHER on pit road.
@@JasonDelarosa2000 I like Steve and Dale Jr too
Second
Next Deal they need to swap the 500 like they did in 01-06
cause if fox is staying...we dont need them making a crap 500 broadcast😊
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