What makes the Sofia character good, is just the fact that. "hey, look at this person go through horrible shit, and come out on top!" She isn't buildt from the getgo to be "above the rest". Which so many shows and movies just get so wrong. Same in Daredevil, here is a person getting beat the fuck up in every fight scene, but he overcomes. Writers and directors seem to have cooompletly forgotten that hero-stories are a psykological expression of overcoming struggles. much like a great horror film or show is a good psykological expression of our fears and inner darkness. Some one stated that Oz is not a anti-hero, and you're not suppose to like him. But on the other hand, Sofia is scaaaaary, as she is unpredictable in another way to penguin. The show is in that way, very unpredictable and makes you think "what the f is gonna happen next?" my 5 to 10 cents! Great video!
Also Sofia is made to be completely innocent, she was going to be head of the family until she spoke to the reporter. She was still bad, but at the same time she was completely innocent of those crimes and didn’t understand why the family would rat her out like that.
I think Sofia dies by the end of the miniseries but not before giving Oz the biggest fight of his entire life and to the Penguin she will always be remembered as the only worthy adversary he ever had.
I’ve never really been a huge DC or Batman fan but man this Penguin series is solid. I’m really enjoying watching weekly episodes too, not done that in a few years, it helps each episode sink in more, allowing time for discussions and theories. After Ep 4 I’m now having to watch first 3 again, knowing what we know now, perceptions towards Sofia are not what I had first thought.
Dude, spoilers alerts! Not all of us have your deep knowledge of extremely obscure Batman comics written by exceptionally underrated & unknown authors like Jeff Loeb. By the way, I know that you already know this, and that you simply wrote too fast, but Sophia was the Hangman in *Batman: Dark Victory* , not in *Batman: The Long Halloween* ... The show *Gotham* had already paid hommage to that situation in season 4, in which Sofia Falcone was played by Crystal Reed, ended up in a wheelchair with a metallic neck-supporter-thingy that looks like a medieval torture device.
Personally I'm a Gotham lover since its the closest to a full live action batman tv show. However i will be honest im surprised the cw didn't die sooner but Matt reeves is cooking with his batman universe im sure he'll keep giving us banger after banger.
@@ketienne1021 no, I said that I'm SURE he'll give us banger after banger not that it's guaranteed but mean Reeves can fall off eventually. However He is a good director who knows what he's doing so far so I'm sure he'll keep his universe in check.
I feel you on Smallville. I barely missed an episode for 10 years. It has its ups and downs but I still always looked forward to it. And Lana Lang, she was just on another level. Gosh Damn... lol
BTW guys, Isn't this limited series setting up the rise of The Court of Owls? Vitti and a bunch of rich tycoons makes Penguin their public face. Then they frame Sofia and send her back to Arkham, until Batman gets wind of it? Then Metas and assassins get hired to take him out, but he eventually exposes them anyway? This is where Huntress, Deathstroke, Joker etc comes in? What story line am I thinking of, if I'm wrong?
@@SoulTrainBro not sure if it will follow that story directly but i do think this will lead into Batman 2 (which i think is most likely court of owls) and i do think sofia gets sent back to Arkham at the end of the show.
Hit the nail on the head, I still have the same fears you have about the last 4 episodes but if the show continues with this quality we should be eating well.
this show is so fucking good and the world building is just setting up so well for the Batman 2...Matt Reeves is a genius. I think Black Mask and the GOATED Red Hood would fit in really well in this universe.
Man your videos wzs so nice it feel like i know you for a long times and a just discover you , the mask , the personality that you have the way you talk its really fun to watch hopes you grow a comlunity
🎯💯✅ You are spot on. I didn’t believe that she was the hangman because I couldn’t figure out how a 5’5” 120 pound female could overpower another woman and then string that woman up. What is she, a black belt 🥋 in jui-jitsu?? The math don’t math. Sophia and Francis Cobb are well developed believable female characters. I think this because the writers aren’t full on making them woke female archetypes.
I would be more worried about David Zaslav and other executives at HBO max destroying the franchise. Look what they did to House of the Dragon (season 2). And that was their biggest show
Titans wasn't a CW show, but... How can you possibly list off the DC shows in the last 10+ years and NOT mention Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing, or Stargirl? If Stargirl wasn't for you, that's fine. But ignoring Swamp Thing and Doom Patrol? And don't even get me started on Krypton.
Maybe a cameo, but no this should be mainly about the penguin and his story, if you want more Batman wait for the next movie, because this show isn’t about him
Just imagine, the kid continues going deeper and deeper in the underworld helping Oswald and trying to prove himself, we know that in Gotham you just need a really bad day to snap...
Okay, essay incoming, but this is serious bizness, can't let that slide! 1) Aww mate it's a shame that you listed the bottom o' the barrel DC shows like Supergirl, Batwoman, Gotham Knights, later seasons of The Flash, etc etc to explain why it's all crap, but not even mention actual quality shows like Stargirl, Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing, Constantine, The Sandman, Dead Boy Detectives [same universe as Sandman], Watchmen.... and arguably middle-o'-the-barrel show like Krypton or Black Lightning. 2) Och mate time to let the ol' *Arrow be stealing Batman villains jobs* , -season 1's Big Bads were The Dark Archer in the present & Edward Fyers in the flashback (pure, dyed in the whool Green Arrow villains) -season 2's big bads were Deathstroke, Brother Blood, Ravager in the present (all 3 of them Titans villains) and in the flashback, Professor Ivo (JLA rogue, last seen on TV in the great *My Adventures with Superman* ) -season 3's Big Bads, alright, when it comes to the present, I have no choice but to give you that one, Ra's Al Ghul is indeed a Batrogue. 😩 Buuut when it comes to the flashback, the main villain is Matthew Shrieve from the *Creature Commandos* -season 4's Big Bads, imma feel mighty cocky 'ere since in the present, HIVE is not an organisation known for taking on Batman, and in the past, Baron Reiter aka Baron Blitzkrieg started of mainly as a Wonder Woman rogue and later became a All-Star Squadron staple. -season 5's big bads, Prometheus is a Justice League villain, though if we want to pinpoint which heroes he tends to target the most, then Midnighter and Green Arrow would probably be it. And in the past, the main baddie is Konstantin Kover, aka Red Star, a Teen Titans dude. When it comes to live action, we last saw him in the show *Titans* - season 6: the main Big Bad is notorious Green Arrow nemesis, Ricardo "Dragon" Diaz. - season 7: ach, this one serves my purpose well! The Big Bads are, at the beginning, the Longbow Hunters (a group of villains who specifically target Oliver Queen) and later *The Ninth Circle* led by GA villain Dante & Emiko. -season 8 is a bit of a special case innit? One thing is for sure, the Anti-Monitor ain't exactly a "Bat-rogue" 3) When it comes to the show *Gotham* (love me some *Gotham* , it waddled so *The Penguin* could waddle faster) I'd have to create another post just to contain all my unhinged ranblings, this one [Debunking t] is already long enough
TBH haven’t gotten to The Penguin yet but will ASAP-It’s a Must for Sure. But what happened to Ur P. Roster: No Burgess Meredith Z-Man ? Haha Nonetheless it was another Classic Vid by U man !
I always wonder why people dont know that The Boys used to be a DC property but they ended with Ennis going to Dynamite. Preacher is a very solid DC show on AMC. Y: The Last Man was terrible even tho it is a FX show. Swamp Thing is underrated asf. Watchmen is good aswell and Pennyworth and Doom Patrol lost its vision. The Penguin is a limited series and theres no continuation planned.
I listened to the podcast for Penguin episode 4 and it seems like the writers of this episode come from a feminist background and wrote it from that point of view; But thankfully they didn't forget the storytelling basics, and the character has flaws; not to mention the actress elevates the character A LOT. She's perfect for the role
I AM BE REAL, and this isn’t cause i am a D1 Simp for Sofia. I think Penguin losing might be interesting or at least like stalemate. Like it would be wild if sofia won with 0 effort, like Oz didn’t give her a bang for her. I am be real i think it can work, I think her winning can work or at most a stalemate. However, lets be real for a fact i think she gonna be shot in the head or she goes back to Arkham. Or a cool ending might be thattheir fight didn’t end and they are still fighting it out leaving Gotham in a “no mans land”. However, I think i might be simping (but u can’t blame me)
Chicks start sleeping with the right ppl and things that make no sense start happening. Like this country, feminism started sleeping with the right ppl and stopped waging war on hot chicks and men at the same time.
All the comics are cornball stuff and eventually made for kids. I dont know what fans expect. Your not getting consistency with inconsistent source material. DC and Marvel have always been up and down with stories art and direction. People are way too critical of these comic shows. When shows get goofy I stop watching. Stop forcing stuff on yourself just because you like the comic.
"People say they want to fix her? I don't want to fix her, she's perfect!" So fucking true😭😭
@@francismartial6427 Let me guess you don’t know if should be afraid of her or if you should slide into her DMs ???? That’s about where I’m at.
We need to let Matt reeves cook , i can already guess that THE BATMAN 2 will be a masterpiece
Same
Nah I doubt it
@Coldr_za Both The Batman and Penguin are great, so there's no need for doubt. Also, sequels are usually superior to the originals.
@@RyanG0899 i prefer the penguin to the batman, the batman wasn't good at all
@@Coldr_za hahahaah wtf are you saying? The Batman was excellent
What makes the Sofia character good, is just the fact that. "hey, look at this person go through horrible shit, and come out on top!" She isn't buildt from the getgo to be "above the rest". Which so many shows and movies just get so wrong. Same in Daredevil, here is a person getting beat the fuck up in every fight scene, but he overcomes. Writers and directors seem to have cooompletly forgotten that hero-stories are a psykological expression of overcoming struggles. much like a great horror film or show is a good psykological expression of our fears and inner darkness. Some one stated that Oz is not a anti-hero, and you're not suppose to like him. But on the other hand, Sofia is scaaaaary, as she is unpredictable in another way to penguin. The show is in that way, very unpredictable and makes you think "what the f is gonna happen next?" my 5 to 10 cents! Great video!
@@DemiK-AE great points
I think Sofia is so good because of Cristin Milioti herself. There’s just something about that woman, but she’s a really talented actress.
Also Sofia is made to be completely innocent, she was going to be head of the family until she spoke to the reporter. She was still bad, but at the same time she was completely innocent of those crimes and didn’t understand why the family would rat her out like that.
@@uncle_ben_rices_nephew Wont deny ya there buddy. its a win/win both actor and script!
this man dressed up as Deathstroke you know he is DEDICATED
I think Sofia dies by the end of the miniseries but not before giving Oz the biggest fight of his entire life and to the Penguin she will always be remembered as the only worthy adversary he ever had.
I’ve never really been a huge DC or Batman fan but man this Penguin series is solid. I’m really enjoying watching weekly episodes too, not done that in a few years, it helps each episode sink in more, allowing time for discussions and theories. After Ep 4 I’m now having to watch first 3 again, knowing what we know now, perceptions towards Sofia are not what I had first thought.
Only 8 episodes there won't be any repetition.
dude. she was the hangman in the comics of the long halloween. she died in the comics
@@leonarddement3432 indeed
Dude, spoilers alerts!
Not all of us have your deep knowledge of extremely obscure Batman comics written by exceptionally underrated & unknown authors like Jeff Loeb.
By the way, I know that you already know this, and that you simply wrote too fast, but Sophia was the Hangman in *Batman: Dark Victory* , not in *Batman: The Long Halloween* ...
The show *Gotham* had already paid hommage to that situation in season 4, in which Sofia Falcone was played by Crystal Reed, ended up in a wheelchair with a metallic neck-supporter-thingy that looks like a medieval torture device.
@@randallflagg3700 wow. noone cares. you complain about spoilers when society does that shit all the time. grow up baby
Personally I'm a Gotham lover since its the closest to a full live action batman tv show. However i will be honest im surprised the cw didn't die sooner but Matt reeves is cooking with his batman universe im sure he'll keep giving us banger after banger.
Take it easy. 1 movie and a show, now we're claiming everything from here on out is gold?
@@ketienne1021 no, I said that I'm SURE he'll give us banger after banger not that it's guaranteed but mean Reeves can fall off eventually. However He is a good director who knows what he's doing so far so I'm sure he'll keep his universe in check.
I feel you on Smallville. I barely missed an episode for 10 years. It has its ups and downs but I still always looked forward to it. And Lana Lang, she was just on another level. Gosh Damn... lol
@@dqreps facts
BTW guys, Isn't this limited series setting up the rise of The Court of Owls? Vitti and a bunch of rich tycoons makes Penguin their public face. Then they frame Sofia and send her back to Arkham, until Batman gets wind of it? Then Metas and assassins get hired to take him out, but he eventually exposes them anyway? This is where Huntress, Deathstroke, Joker etc comes in? What story line am I thinking of, if I'm wrong?
@@SoulTrainBro not sure if it will follow that story directly but i do think this will lead into Batman 2 (which i think is most likely court of owls) and i do think sofia gets sent back to Arkham at the end of the show.
Hit the nail on the head, I still have the same fears you have about the last 4 episodes but if the show continues with this quality we should be eating well.
this show is so fucking good and the world building is just setting up so well for the Batman 2...Matt Reeves is a genius. I think Black Mask and the GOATED Red Hood would fit in really well in this universe.
I'm surprised they made a tv series for grown ups and the first time in a long time i'm watching something I enjoy!
Man your videos wzs so nice it feel like i know you for a long times and a just discover you , the mask , the personality that you have the way you talk its really fun to watch hopes you grow a comlunity
with this video alone I subbed. Incredible
@@swervezki thanks man
@@Cinemavigilante go watch smile 2 if you haven't already! It's a good ass movie dude!
🎯💯✅ You are spot on. I didn’t believe that she was the hangman because I couldn’t figure out how a 5’5” 120 pound female could overpower another woman and then string that woman up. What is she, a black belt 🥋 in jui-jitsu?? The math don’t math. Sophia and Francis Cobb are well developed believable female characters. I think this because the writers aren’t full on making them woke female archetypes.
I would be more worried about David Zaslav and other executives at HBO max destroying the franchise. Look what they did to House of the Dragon (season 2). And that was their biggest show
Gotham was like watching a modern Adam West Batman series.
Sir, you are a mercenary. Not a vigilante.
@@JasonMontgomery no
Smallville was good for its time. I mean, it lasted for 10 seasons for a reason.
Titans wasn't a CW show, but... How can you possibly list off the DC shows in the last 10+ years and NOT mention Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing, or Stargirl? If Stargirl wasn't for you, that's fine. But ignoring Swamp Thing and Doom Patrol? And don't even get me started on Krypton.
Love Sofia she is one of the biggest highlights of the penguin. Great video by the way
@@damianstarks3338 thanks man, i ❤️ her too
Excellent overview bra. I was looking to disagree with something, but I have nothing.
Thanks man!
Before i watch this is there any spoilers? Idk much of penguins story but ive seen the 4 episodes and i love the show
@@este3625 the only stuff i talk about is from the first 4 eps
@@Cinemavigilante ok thanks gonna watch it now
Gotham is honestly goated, top 5 dc shows of all time
Half the audience will be disappointed if there's no Batman or at least Bruce Wayne.
Batman is my fav hero but nah we dont need him in this
Maybe a cameo, but no this should be mainly about the penguin and his story, if you want more Batman wait for the next movie, because this show isn’t about him
@imsentinelprime9279 Nah it's Gotham all over again
@@My-YT-profile but this is actually good tho, don’t get your panties in a twist, this will tie in with Batman, just enjoy the fcking show.
@imsentinelprime9279 No, we're divorced now jfjdheje I do like the show. I just think it's even better with batman
Have you read the boys? Did you know it was Published by DC originally ?
@@Darkphantaria haven't read it, pretty fucked up from what ive seen and nah i didnt know it was a DC property before. Interesting
Great videos man your earned a subcriber
@@users10116 thanks man
Something tells me that Victor is going to kill Sophia and becomes Victor Zsasz at the end of the show...
@@joelburgos69 interesting
Just imagine, the kid continues going deeper and deeper in the underworld helping Oswald and trying to prove himself, we know that in Gotham you just need a really bad day to snap...
Okay, essay incoming, but this is serious bizness, can't let that slide!
1) Aww mate it's a shame that you listed the bottom o' the barrel DC shows like Supergirl, Batwoman, Gotham Knights, later seasons of The Flash, etc etc to explain why it's all crap, but not even mention actual quality shows like Stargirl, Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing, Constantine, The Sandman, Dead Boy Detectives [same universe as Sandman], Watchmen....
and arguably middle-o'-the-barrel show like Krypton or Black Lightning.
2) Och mate time to let the ol' *Arrow be stealing Batman villains jobs* ,
-season 1's Big Bads were The Dark Archer in the present & Edward Fyers in the flashback (pure, dyed in the whool Green Arrow villains)
-season 2's big bads were Deathstroke, Brother Blood, Ravager in the present (all 3 of them Titans villains) and in the flashback, Professor Ivo (JLA rogue, last seen on TV in the great *My Adventures with Superman* )
-season 3's Big Bads, alright, when it comes to the present, I have no choice but to give you that one, Ra's Al Ghul is indeed a Batrogue. 😩 Buuut when it comes to the flashback, the main villain is Matthew Shrieve from the *Creature Commandos*
-season 4's Big Bads, imma feel mighty cocky 'ere since in the present, HIVE is not an organisation known for taking on Batman, and in the past, Baron Reiter aka Baron Blitzkrieg started of mainly as a Wonder Woman rogue and later became a All-Star Squadron staple.
-season 5's big bads, Prometheus is a Justice League villain, though if we want to pinpoint which heroes he tends to target the most, then Midnighter and Green Arrow would probably be it. And in the past, the main baddie is Konstantin Kover, aka Red Star, a Teen Titans dude. When it comes to live action, we last saw him in the show *Titans*
- season 6: the main Big Bad is notorious Green Arrow nemesis, Ricardo "Dragon" Diaz.
- season 7: ach, this one serves my purpose well! The Big Bads are, at the beginning, the Longbow Hunters (a group of villains who specifically target Oliver Queen) and later *The Ninth Circle* led by GA villain Dante & Emiko.
-season 8 is a bit of a special case innit? One thing is for sure, the Anti-Monitor ain't exactly a "Bat-rogue"
3) When it comes to the show *Gotham* (love me some *Gotham* , it waddled so *The Penguin* could waddle faster) I'd have to create another post just to contain all my unhinged ranblings, this one [Debunking t] is already long enough
Yo when u said u still "enjoyed" Smallville even when it sucked, I knew it was the girl 😂. That chick picked up where Jennifer Love Hewitt left off.
TBH haven’t gotten to The Penguin yet but will ASAP-It’s a Must for Sure. But what happened to Ur P. Roster: No Burgess Meredith Z-Man ? Haha Nonetheless it was another Classic Vid by U man !
I always wonder why people dont know that The Boys used to be a DC property but they ended with Ennis going to Dynamite.
Preacher is a very solid DC show on AMC. Y: The Last Man was terrible even tho it is a FX show. Swamp Thing is underrated asf. Watchmen is good aswell and Pennyworth and Doom Patrol lost its vision. The Penguin is a limited series and theres no continuation planned.
I listened to the podcast for Penguin episode 4 and it seems like the writers of this episode come from a feminist background and wrote it from that point of view; But thankfully they didn't forget the storytelling basics, and the character has flaws; not to mention the actress elevates the character A LOT. She's perfect for the role
Nice deadpool mask
The arrowverse problem was not dc it was the cw
I am watching this guy going mad
@@kurtis_field yes
Constantine was tough. I don't like what they did to him on Legends at all.
Valid fear.
I AM BE REAL, and this isn’t cause i am a D1 Simp for Sofia. I think Penguin losing might be interesting or at least like stalemate. Like it would be wild if sofia won with 0 effort, like Oz didn’t give her a bang for her. I am be real i think it can work, I think her winning can work or at most a stalemate. However, lets be real for a fact i think she gonna be shot in the head or she goes back to Arkham. Or a cool ending might be thattheir fight didn’t end and they are still fighting it out leaving Gotham in a “no mans land”. However, I think i might be simping (but u can’t blame me)
@@leotheleo8967 i def cannot blame u
Chicks start sleeping with the right ppl and things that make no sense start happening. Like this country, feminism started sleeping with the right ppl and stopped waging war on hot chicks and men at the same time.
Sees a guy in the ds mask. I click like.
WB and CW ruined DC characters for years now but The Penguin is a great show
The penguin is an hbo show not cw show
@@yarc9 i know
@@CinemavigilanteI want sophia falcon to fight Batman
@@yarc9 "Equal rights, equal fights" - Batman
episode 5 ruined it.... it was terrible
I can’t stand CW shows for that reason alone the soap opera feel
Dc has always dominated TV series over Marvel. TV and animation is they GOLD!
@@Hollowedmoonproductions dc animation is top tier
All the comics are cornball stuff and eventually made for kids. I dont know what fans expect. Your not getting consistency with inconsistent source material. DC and Marvel have always been up and down with stories art and direction. People are way too critical of these comic shows. When shows get goofy I stop watching. Stop forcing stuff on yourself just because you like the comic.
People need to relax my boy Matt Reeves is cooking. Matt Reeves is embarrassing Marvel right now. Let the man cook.
@@callmejacob3234 His name sounds like it’s out of the comics. Just my opinion.
bro has ptsd about cw, like its being worked on by the same people lmao
@@Nevermindsir1 yes i do
They've already ruined Sofia's character. They had a brilliant antagonist, and threw it away to make her a typical feminist victim.
No they didn't, time for you to go outside for some fresh air 😂.
incel alert
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Not necessarily. Tragic backstories make both villains and heroes more interesting and appealing imo
No way you are a real person😭