First R1T Max Pack Road Trip! Miss GoElectric's Thoughts After 600+ Miles | Episode 173
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- Опубликовано: 31 окт 2023
- On today's episode of the Out of Spec Podcast, @MissGoElectric joins Francie to speak about her thoughts on the R1T Max Pack after her first roadtrip from Michigan to Tennessee! Laycee and Francie discuss the benefits of the Max Pack, the stats that Laycee has noted so far, what others can consider for their own R1T needs, and more.
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Great listen thank you! Congrats on your truck ⚡️
Thanks friend! 😁
I've asked for the maintenance person at hotels when it looks like a breaker issue. At first they will claim they know nothing about the equipment, then I ask if they can just check the breaker which they do understand and bingo. At a Holiday Inn in Nashville I got to know where the electrical room was, if the maintenance dude on duty claimed to not know where the breakers were for the chargers I'd say "I do!" and point to the electrical room. Larger hotels normally have a maintenance person available on site to deal with problems in the rooms, I see the charging equipment as an extension of the hotel services and we should be empowered to ask for help fixing issues. Once you have the attention of the maintenance person then you can request they report issues that are beyond their ability to deal with on site.
Exactly correct, just ask for the electrical room. Most commercial buildings put all electrical breakers in the same room and minimize sub-panels. Of course, you might have to open the door on numerous breaker panels to find the one breaker for EV charger, but it should be labeled.
@@johnpoldo8817 I doubt a hotel would let you into their electrical room. I was suggesting that it is sometimes necessary to let the maintenance staff know where the breaker is to be found.
At 1am when we arrived, there was not a maintenance person on duty. The electrical equipment was behind a locked fence outside.
@@oleston That sucks.
Enjoyed the podcast covering MissGoElectric’s R1T experience - nice to hear from an experienced industry insider - and a unique use case for her lifestyle, not just the typical driving to the office & local stores. Hopefully her feedback informs Rivian, competitors and charging providers!
Agreed. Thanks for tuning in!
She has my configuration. My story is similar to hers on early order, change from quad, power tonneau, etc as well. I want the max pack because we tow a camp trailer and I want more wilderness exploring range.
I am glad to see this real report. Long story short I’ll be driving my Mini Cooper SE from San Diego to Phoenix to trade in on my Rivian performance dual motor max pack and driving that back. ABRP is giving me similar numbers and a long stop in Quartzsite. The total distance from Phoenix to home is 350 miles. I would think a short splash and dash should do it. We’ll see. I’m picking mine up around thanksgiving.
Thanks for watching! Good luck on that road trip and congrats on the Rivian!
Great interview, very informative. 👍
Thank you for watching - so glad you enjoyed!
Yay! Women in STEM and in R1Ts like me. I'm a Chemist so I know all about batteries.
Amazing! Always need more women in STEAM! Thanks for watching Diane - as always.
@@OutofSpecPodcast Thank you, Francie.
Two GREAT journalists. Wow!
Very well conducted interview, Francie.
Delighted for Laycee, and look forward to hearing more about her switch to an R1T, especially when NACS adapters are available to use Superchargers.
@missgoelectric
My commute is 125 miles each way. Folsom, CA to OAK. So mild weather usually. I'm an airline pilot so then the truck will sit for 2-4 days. Gear guard on is a good idea. Then 125 miles back home.
In your opinion will the max pack be able to make that round trip with the sit without a charge?
I have a LRMY and had a LRM3. Neither are close to being able to at freeway speeds with or without Sentry mode.
(I've got the max pack on order and they're pressing me to confirm my configuration. I'm as hung up on the $10k as a lot of people - bc it's basically the same price as the quad max pack 180kwH - now it's great- I'm into efficiency too- but it's got a lot less hardware for the same price (choosing the acceleration boost for $5k)
If it could make my commute without a charge stop (no charging at the airport) - I'd do it.
Taking delivery of my max pack r1T on december 5th!!! Cannot wait.
Congrats! Let us know what you think!
Like Miss GoElectric, I have an R1T Max Pack on order. I also originally ordered the quad motor max pack with powered tonneau. I don't have a delivery window yet. I've been trying to get Rivian to tell me when the powered tonneau will be available again, either on the configurator or as a retrofit, but no luck. I'm also asking them if they will give me the old price when it arrives, since that's the way I originally ordered it. Mine's currently configured with the manual tonneau but from the videos I've seen that kind of sucks.
I cancelled my reservation after 3 years with R1T quad max pack with old price. Rivian kept moving the goal post, so I quit the game. Cybertruck up next.
MGE also ordered power tonneau, quad motors, and camp kitchen. Her original configuration video is online. It is too bad Rivian unilaterally removed all of those features from her order.
My most difficult use case is towing our camping trailer, and so i hope to add a large home- made lfp battery bank (possibly 30kwh) and solar to the trailer so my round trip range can be extended. It should come out cheaper than the max pack option and have an added benefit of generating power at home every other day as well!
I recently posted a tour of the pebble flow which is an electric travel trailer designed to lessen the impact of range loss when towing among other cool features. We hope to test it out when it goes to production.
@MissGoElectric I watched a couple videos on that trailer, and it is really nice but way out of our budget!
Hey Ho! If you add solar and a 30kwh battery pack, add two hub motors from Elaphe Motors in Eastern Europe, and have the trailer powered
So at 2.18 the difference between max pack and large, assuming 129 kwh usable for large and 142 usable for max its a difference of 29 miles. 281 for large and 310 for max... Assuming you use the entire battery which folks don't normally do. If you use 80-90% of the battery its even less. Im still having a hard time seeing the value in max pack for the extra 10k.
Rivian is The Car.
what defines a good company:
1. CEO is worshiped by employees
2. perfect product
3. plan
The last time I checked the chargers were to far away.. I live in an area depending on which direction, I am going the charges were up to 360 miles away. So I am waiting for at least 500 miles of range in case the nearest chargers are not working. I found that a lucid air has the range but $140.000 is a lot of money for a car I would drive around 6000 miles a year.
You may want to check again. It is very difficult to find a stretch of highway more than 100 miles anywhere in the USA without available chargers. Plugshare is a great resource.
one thing ppl don't realize, esp sunny-state EV owners, is that weather and wind have a much bigger effect that temperature on range. Dry, calm conditions with freezing conditions isn't as a big a deal as driving in rain, wind, or accumulating snow/slush
Question about the Max pack. Is there still under the rear seat storage? Rumor was the extra batteries were going to fill that spot.
Yes under rear seat storage is still there.
I never use hotels since I can't trust that they'll be available and working. I usually stay in areas where the DCFC chargers. We'll charge while eating dinner.
How fast was she driving on that highway road trip where she got 2.1 mi/kwh?
Great show. R1T max pack is on my short list for an electric tow vehicle.
Good to do the math on that as towing you will only get an extra 25 miles while towing. Will that reduce the number of charging stops on the trips you do? If so then the extra $10000 will have to be divided among those extra stops as the cost. Something to consider, I did.
Thanks for watching!
@@LarsDennert, not really planning on buying new, the price for options is much less when buying used.
Ty, but she never commented on the ride quality, and comparison to other trucks like the lightning, on which miss Go Electric did a nice review this year.
Hopefully we can have her back on in the future once she's put even more miles on the R1T!
I plan on doing a video 🤓
At 18:45 Miss Go Electric said she should have dropped the amperage on her truck when plugging into an unknown level two charger. That should never be required. The level two protocol clearly has the charger indicate to the vehicle how much power can be safely drawn. I’m very familiar with J1772 protocol because I made a tester for EV chargers at my workplace. if a breaker blue, it either means the charger was not correctly telling the truck how much power it should draw or that the truck is not honoring what the Charger is telling it. Either way, it is not her fault and I wouldn’t want users having to know what to have to set their vehicles to, that would be a very complicated world.
Without a tonneau cover it is not a valid test. Ask any ICE truck owner that when you put your tailgate down MPG goes up significantly! If you had a tonneau cover you would get much more than 251 miles (+16%)!
Interesting
Rivlin have a habit of if they find out the person/company ordering the vehicle is linked to a RUclipsr, influencer or famous person they will jump you up the line so you get your SUV/Truck earlier than a normal person.
Also they give you special treatment when it comes to repairs/serving as well.
They have been called out on this a number of times now but the CEO says it helps the company and orders when these people are showing off their vechiles on social media etc
The reservation was not initially in my name so they had no idea who I was.
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Laycee is the best
Agreed!!
So the range is 260ish miles on max pack?
I was averaging 330mi for the first stretch
Uhhh why would you get a Rivian to road trip when the thermal throttling issues are all over the internet?
It's the only electric pickup available right now that has over 400 miles of range and I have had zero issues with any thermals at any point. I would say I drive like the average person - not hammering it or tracking it. I prioritize hotel charging not DCFC so my stops are minimal.
Anyone else disappointed that they reduced the battery size from 180kwH to 150?
I was hoping they'd keep the capacity and get more range with the software and dual motor efficiency -
Crunching the math - I was hoping for 450-475miles? And I'd use it.
Great show......Keep it up! ....It is a huge jump for people to accept the limitations of EV's. It's too bad the infrastructure is so slow to roll out and that so much of the money wii get spent in Washington before it gets to the " EV charger every 50 miles on Interstate Freeways"...lol....Which is a huge waste of time and money if it ever gets built. People want EV chargers where they are needed not every 50 miles of freeways.....lol
Glad you enjoyed the episode. Thank you for tuning in!
How heavy?
This site says 8,532 lbs - but not 100% sure.
www.autoblog.com/buy/2023-Rivian-R1T-Adventure_Dual_Motor_Max_Pack__All_Wheel_Drive_Crew_Cab/specs/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAB7bnDwZOcu0kvfDIT7v6vUwiRGEl2A8wF54QcDRfbAa6qzEIaA9j0RKrIF-j1FnjC6ARtKFu1qCsDU3u8xCs3yzSY8FoAFa1XzsP87dwbU5zYOadhBz8DqgaJpJkxUpEX6TFLR2hLU66YnOP1lo34Moj0qj0np5Io-hRZs-frAm
@@OutofSpecPodcastyes this is the GVWR.
I had originally ordered Max Pack in Nov. 2018...finally gave in and got the Large...btw, the Max back then was a Quad w/180 kWh battery, so not even close to what they are calling it now. So Miss GoElectric got 251 miles + 50= 301 miles. I just did a 1,104-mile road trip last week (22" performance tires). We averaged 2.31 miles/kWh over 1,103.8 miles or 300 miles (mix of Conserve on hwy and All-purpose). A reminder also, her Max pack is front-wheel drive the majority of the time. If you've spent any amount of time in a Quad Rivian, it handles much more securely in the rain in All-purpose (all-wheel drive vs. conserve (front-wheel drive). I'll keep my Quad until Rivian makes some genuine improvements over the Large Quad. For now, the "Max Pack" and the huge cost factor are not worth it. I'm still waiting to see someone get close to 410 miles. Highly doubtful it can do it. My guess would be that 360 miles will be the best range the Dual Max can eke out.
What is the average speed of your trip?
What is the ambient temperature during your trip?
have you driven a dual motor in the rain. Front wheel drive vehicles tend to do better in the rain because they are pulling the vehicle not pushing it. Plus you have the huge benefit of the extra weight on an EV.
@@ecaseyburn Well, I've driven my Rivian in Conserve mode in the rain.. which is a front-wheel drive, the same as the dual on the highway. Can be unnerving. Have you? Also, the Quad can torque vector each wheel independently, which the Dual cannot.
@@bbq8282 Didn't record the average speed...but lots of this was highway...usually 78 mph. Temps...high 40's to mid 60's.
@@Eric-xp1kl thank you for sharing! Sounds like the max pack is overrated. I am a reservation hold also and this get me thinking deeply.🤔
so she said 250 for using 83 percent of her max pack battery. Was she driving in the rain and did she have the heater on the entire drive? She eluded to doing just that but never clarified it. Thats not normal conditions or average. i also love anyone whom didn't wait for the max pack are being negative about it. Must not have needed it from the beginning. Eh, to each thier own...
She did wait for and did buy the Max Pack, one of the first to get it. She has a right to complain about it because it was downgraded 31 kWh for 180 to 149 kWh, which is barely more than the large pack at 135. She waited way more than a year to hold out and get those 14 extra kWh. That's a fail from Rivian. The only saving grace is she was given the early pricing promised to her.
Laycee, how are they claiming 400 miles range, or do you think your efficiency experience was dinged that much by rain, cold, and speed you're driving?
lol, not complaining about her, was stating people whom don’t own the max pack are talking bad about it, she does have every right to complain, I said ANYONE BTW, not her. Thanks for you response though, I do agree….@@karlInSanDiego
Recirculation on, 72 degrees auto climate with passenger side turned off.
Thanks for the insight…😀@@MissGoElectric
Need a real range test hard to believe that a 410 rated vehicle would only get 300 miles
EPA testing is calculated with 65 mph as the common dividing factor. I was traveling nearly 80mph for the highway driving plus I was in colder temperatures and it rained on some of my trip.
@@MissGoElectric Absolutely understood which is why a real range test is needed preferably Dual Motor Max Pack Vs Dual Motor Large Pack so that consumers can make an educated decision as to which to purchase. I say this because there have been reviews of the Quad Motor Large Pack getting as much as 340+ miles on a charge.
@@darinbrazil5496cold and rain or snow kills range on an EV more than any other factor - maybe even more than speed-
@@scottmitchell3761 Absolutely understood, I drive only electric with a Tesla Model 3, Audi e-tron, and a Ford Lightning. Just looking for a real world true range test on a Max Pack Rivian R1T to decide which battery is the best way to go. I am a very efficient driver in California as my lifetime miles per kilowatt on my Ford lightning is 2.8 so I get a lot out of these vehicles.
cold affects vehicles like Rivian with inefficient cabin heating technology much more than models from brands like Tesla utilizing a much more efficient heat pump. Aerodynamics and rolling resistance are also very important, affected by road conditions, surface type, and interference with vehicle profile. Thanks for watching everyone. -Producer Tim
@@scottmitchell3761
Seems like hotels should charge for those chargers. People bringing in large battery EVs will pull a lot of energy, and that perk shouldn't be absorbed by everyone else
Not sure - hotels offer a lot of amenities for "free" - even if everyone doesn't use it. Heating the pools, hot tubs, etc costs money too but not everyone uses them. Either way if they charge for an they better be available. IMO.
Hotels I’ve stayed at have a pool, spa/hot tub, fitness room, free morning coffee / tea, plus many other amenities. Often, I don’t use any of these, but all amenities are still factored into my room charge. EV charging is simply another way to attract guests and differentiate a hotel from the competition. I remember as a child, some hotels advertised “heated” pool vs a standard pool.
These are fair responses. We probably stay at different places. I can't afford $299 a night, so I stay at $99 a night motels and that's still expensive to me. If the motel had to pay for 100kWh of electricity to top off a 150kWh Rivian Max Pack at $.32/kWh and that is actually less than the retail cost of power here, it would represent 33% of my stay at $32 worth of electricity AND the convenience of that happening onsite. There is early adopter hotel bragging rights that they have a charger, and then there is the reality of upholding that feature forever, which won't scale without an increase in price for the rooms for everyone regardless if they use the charger. That's the point I'm trying to make.
It's fine to try to think in terms of what helps EV adoption, but let's not act like it's not a privilege to power a large vehicle with a full tank of fuel, and that privilege is never offered to people without EVs. The people running motels (not hotels) aren't rich. They're often the working poor, and on our recent trip in the Southwest that included a Ramada which was being privately run as a franchise, so be aware that times are changing. So my reaction to the hotel charging rant was a little different.
Isn’t the R1T Max Pack model priced near six figures. Anyone who can afford that much money for an EV probably is staying at $400+ per night hotel.
I am ok with this, but if I book with the ev charging option, I want my spot reserved. They could valet another car there, but when I turn up I expect I park and plug.
a lot of words...
"I don't want an EV with a 200 kWh battery pack, I really think manufacturers need to work on efficiency" *Buys an EV with a 149 kWh pack* lol. what?