As someone in the Uk I believe that we should receive a bill after treatment but that is zero’d off at the end, just so people really know how much they’ve “saved” by having the NHS.
Can't you check online? I know we have "free healthcare" in Hungary, so I paid via my taxes. But on the national health insurance website I could check every single health related spending under my name ever, even back in 2000. It had everything from GP visits to subsidized drugs and specialist visits. I lived in the UK a bit, but I tried to cut all my ties there since, so I can't check anymore if NHS has something like that. I do have my full NHS history with me, but I'm too lazy to check now if it has costs.
@@slavianalbanovich9025 because the average american doesn't understand that our system is different from other countries. here in the usa nobody talks or thinks about anywhere else but here
@@slavianalbanovich9025 She means that very few people in the US think much about other countries besides the US, much less travel to another country (only about 1/3 of us have a valid passport). We get very few news reports about things that happen in other parts of the world unless the US has something to do with it.
@@Januaryschild sure, but today the world has changed and thanks to the internet it is possible to communicate with other people from all over the world. Americans, at least the young ones, will have to ask themselves why the whole world is horrified at the thought of American healthcare.
As a nurse in the UK, im sure ill be paid more working the US, but i would rather stay in the NHS because it is such a huge honor to work for a health system that gives people so much comfort financially and do not burden them with having their health and medical needs taken care of. Such a huge honor! Like its just the humanly thing to do with your citizens tbh
Whatever is free is not always good. Europe has a much better healthcare system which is also not expensive as in the US. I am a doctor working in the NHS and I am EMBARRASSED that I joined this idiotic system that provides AVERAGE training for their doctors with ridiculous salaries and very poor quality of care for their patients.
No there is no guarantee that you'd get paid more here in the states. In fact most nurses are quitting cuz the conditions are so poor and not enough for the pay. Stay where you are it's most likely better there. We currently have a massive nurse shortage. 😏 teacher shortage too!
@@ariabm44 huh that's a really interesting perspective. Which system would you say works the best out of the modernly developed countries that have more developed medical technology? Cuz it seems to me that there are issues in each system. And not small ones either.
@@caitlynlawrence8502 yes I agree that all systems have issues. Personally I have worked both in central Europe and NHS. Now you don't always need advanced technology to provide care when you have a system (NHS ) that due to cost effectiveness treats you with guidelines and medication that people in Europe have abandoned 20 years ago. In UK you might be able to help people with very rare or chronic diseases requiring modern technology in medicine but if you have something simple you suffer. Unfortunately when non medical people like managers step into a healthcare system this is what happens. Managers should be people coming from a healthcare profession that they are able to understand the nature of the job. Not some random tesco managers that's stepped in taking also double the salary of a front line worker.
@@evan Very funny and sarcastic response Evan 😂 Communism is not the same as universal healthcare. You can still have some capitalism and universal healthcare like European countries
So I’ve experienced both American medical and NHS. Here is my comparison: in America, I once passed out from some bad period cramps at work. I worked LITERALLY across the street from the hospital. My boss called 911, had me taken to the ER, where I woke up and was given one disposable heat pad and released. Total due: $1,780. Over $900 of that was for the ambulance ride… of about 25 feet. In England, I got an eye infection. I went to A&E in Morden, and while I DID have to wait for quite a while, when I was finally taken back, the doctor came right in, checked me out, and then left and immediately returned with a tube of antibiotic gel for me to take home. I wasn’t covered by the NHS yet, so I agreed to pay cash for services and medicine. £7 total.
Yes the American health care system sucks and is broken. The damned insurance companies run it not the doctors. Doctors get frustrated when insurance companies decide what care they can give not what care they feel the patients need. A woman barley gets 24 hours of care after giving birth. Insurance companies are constantly fighting not to pay bills even though you pay to have insurance. I have insurance, 4,000 deductable. Might just as well not have it. Disgusting. I would rather wait a little longer and get better and affordable care and not lose my house cause I got real sick!
Wow! First of all - what a robbery the situation in the US is. Second of all - I'm so sorry to hear someone can actually pass out from period cramps. 😳
@@Vikinggirl1679 while I somewhat agree, my mother was a medical malpractice claims insurance adjuster. Basically decided how much the insurance companies (that insured the doctors) could pay out, or if fighting the charge in court was worth the legal costs. Part of the issue is the legal system. So many people sue doctors when the outcome of their treatment isnt perfect, which is rarely the doctor’s fault. So part of the high price is to cover doctor’s insurance against civil suits, which cost money no matter how frivolous.
@@kivzzzz One of the queens of England had the same issue (it’s called dysmenorrhea). She used cannabis as treatment. Before we had legal weed, I just passed out from the pain. Now I self medicate.
@@thefreedommovementsorry but baloney! Don't believe that for a second! Greed greed greed and me me me is all this country is now. Especially those at the top. 4 years of a false orange blob presidency have exemplified that.
You are so right! I don't think that people in the US get the idea of caring for your friends, family and fellow man. They also don't understand the freedom that comes from not having to worry about the cost of medical conditions/emergencies. My son was hospitalized 7 times with asthma before he was two years old. I never once had to think about the cost of treatment.
I had stemcell transplant in Germany, of course for free. I was told the coasts for all of it would be arround 250.000€. Can't even imagine how much it would be in the US..
@@vinlondon8904 of course not! :) I had a chronic disease called Neutropenia that stopped my immune system from fully developing. After an incident that brought me to the icu doctors said we can't take the risk for that to happen again, so we decided for chemo and SCT
The craziest thing about American healthcare wasn't even listed here. It's the fact that your insurance company can deny coverage for something your doctor recommends. Like, if your doctor recommends a procedure or a certain medication, your insurance company can say "no, we don't think you need that". My doctor and I have been struggling to get prescriptions approved for over a year now. She's tried several different medications, and the insurance company doesn't like anything. Bear in mind that without insurance, some of these prescriptions are over $100/month. One was $500/month. So it really limits your medical care based on your health insurance's decisions.
my wifes sisters daughter was in the US navy and had something happen to her which needed surgery. It became bothersome since the hospital (she was a civilian then) did not want to work with US navy insurance!! Fortunately she lived in Phoenix AZ, and so did (at the time) senator John McCain definitely a navy man. He was contacted and intervened - she got her operation. Shame on the hospital!!!
Immediately clicked, I am a us health care economics reporter who stayed in London for a month to report on the differences. This video was made for me. My medication is $7,800 per month in the US and 8£ on the NHS
That’s because America is corrupt as shit. If only Medicare could negotiate prescription drug prices with pharmaceutical companies we would have the same prices as the UK.
@@emmaw_5719 it's free in England for children, OAPs and those whose life depends on the meds. However, what right-minded person would begrudge a few quid to help the NHS? I prefer to pay. It's the least we can do.
I love how you're not just saying 'everything in the UK is free', you're actually giving an idea of how much these procedures cost the NHS...makes me feel even more grateful that we get so much paid for, when you're not on huge amounts of money it's a huge burden off your shoulders 💙
@@QE2Glasgow ok, it's free at the point of delivery ;) and NI is a relatively small amount compared to say, what I paid for health insurance as a freelancer in Germany (if you have an employer they pay a fair bit of it), or what an American would pay if they had a medical emergency, like the example he gives of the MI and two heart stents.
A few years ago, I had some medical issues. I spent 3 weeks in hospital. I was in a coma for 6 days. Had a CT scan, an MRI, chest xray, EKG, IV, medications, meals, consultations with 3 specialists, blood tests. Since discharge, I've seen two more specialists, I see my family doctor every 2 months for follow-up. I see the specialist for follow up every year. I have routine testing to monitor my health. I'm due for another CT scan soon. I'm Canadian. I didn't get a bill for any of it. Americans love to sneer about how "it's not free, your taxes pay for it!", as if we don't know that. Well, I was a doctor before I retired. The taxes I paid over the course of my working life MIGHT have covered that, but I doubt it. Also, I don't have to worry that some insurance company is going to disallow my claim after the fact, or that my coverage will run out. Sorry, Americans, but, bad as our system is, it's better than yours. I was courted by American head hunting firms when I was in practice. Turned them all down. It would go against my personal ethics to work under the American system. I can't imagine qlworking in an ER, not being able to resuscitate someone with a cardiac arrest, and handing their gelrieving family a dead body and a bill for thousands of dollars. I honestly think that's evil.
That taxes argument is just stupid. Yes some part of my taxes is going to healthcare, but when I or someone in my family have a medical emergency we don't need to pay thousands or tens of thousands of dollars out of pocket. Just in recent years my family members had several big surgeries and it cost us nothing. Including an open heart surgery. I live in Russia btw
@@Khagrimnot to mention if you had a operation, it isn’t going to raise your taxes to cover it… your tax is just tax that your gov uses for whatever it is responsible for. Your tax specifically might not even go to health care, it might go to defense or in the UK’s case benefit funds and so on… The irony is with the US is that they wanted to be free from the British Empire and their taxes so they rebelled and became independent… now look at them taxing their citizens home and abroad with gigantic tax bills AND forcing them to pay up to 6+ figure bills just to exist and breathe
@@lesliejohnson827 true, I believe they should be free too!! But it must be difficult since it isn’t a one size fits all solution and people have preferences that they probably wouldn’t cater to if they made them free, they’d just mass produce one size and shape of pad to make production as cheap as possible. Also I can see people (wrongly) arguing that you won’t necessarily die if you don’t wear pads or tampons etc. It should absolutely be free but there is defo obstacles, I mean governments being majority male is the first one 😂
@@lesliejohnson827 A bit of a flippant answer really :( Having a period is not a life threatening situation. My daughter not having her insulin, she would be dead within a few days. We pay thousands every year to keep her alive in the USA. In the UK the thyroxin that both my sister and father take to keep them alive is free. Just food for thought.
@@michaelsmith7425 agreed, but neither are a choice and neither can really be cured so ideally they’d both be free. In the U.K. obviously insulin is free and some supermarkets have taken the tax off period products but we’re still working on making them free- it’s something that the U.K. is much more likely to implement than the US
I live in Australia, we have Medicare. Similar to NHS. Years back I had an ectopic pregnancy. Was admitted as an emergency - had blood tests, 2 types of ultrasound, x-rays, surgery, a tube removed then had to stay 4 nights in hospital. When I left there was no bill. All covered by Medicare. That's what a good health system looks like. NHS is great also. America is broken.
So but how often do ppl sue drs in Australia? How much do drs have to pay for malpractice insurance? Here in America most drs have to get astronomical malpractice insurance. Anesthesiologists have it the worst. Those costs have to get factored in as well.
@@caitlynlawrence8502 Obstetricians in the public system here in Australia are covered. It's only obstetric services in the private sector which have to be insured. There are no obstetricians in the private hospitals any longer.
@@zapkvr so only pain management is covered for birth? Anesthesiologists do more here in the states than just labor epidurals. Here anything to do with getting injected pain meds are quite expensive. My sister had to pay for years for just the epidural portion of her labor. One of my old acquaintances was an Anesthesiologist and they had to have their own malpractice insurance not covered by the hospital that was just an insane amount. He had to have like at least 10 mil on coverage so his monthly payment for the insurance was super high.
It took my mom 5 years of dealing with our insurance to get them to pay for my $47,000 appendectomy when I was 6 years old. They refused to pay for it because it wasn't a "scheduled operation" as if you're going to wait around when your kid is screaming in the middle of the night. It took away a lot of my childhood because as a single mom she was already struggling and having a 47k bill hovering over you affecting your credit doesn't help with your stress levels. It's disgusting how many people have to suffer because the medical system here leaves you bankrupt.
wow that's terrible. Its like business first, compassion... well, somewhere down the line. In the UK, paying through our taxes (its roughly 8% of your income, but can vary on your tax rate, etc) its for everyone and anyone, everyone is treated equally and its about care for every citizen, without any financial burden. I know in the US anything centralised is seen as socialist or communist 😂 the UK is actually quite far from both and is essentially a capitalized country and has been for about 400 years. BUT... you can have a balance. You can have free trade, democracy, etc. AND have socialist type elements, like healthcare (defence/military, our criminal justice system is completely non-political as well and separate from the elected government. No one is above the law, etc., certain things that are just well, common sense). Hope things change for you in the US.
47 thousand 😮😮😮😮. I paid about 16 dollars for staying two nights after an appendectomy 15 years ago. The surgery was free, it was staying overnight that costed a few dollars. Heart surgery, 12 dollars for staying the night and zero for the surgery. This was/is in Sweden.
Sometimes I think this country is going to the dogs (and in many ways it is) but then whenever I do any comparisons with the US, I suddely feel extremely grateful to be living here! That "skin on skin contact ($40) really summed it up for me....it seems there is literally NOTHING (including holding your own baby) that corporations in the US won't put a price on. It all pretty sick really.
They got to get rid of the corporations owning politics/politicians. There is no government that can take care of it's people. It seems to me everybody is owned by corporate America. It is a difficult situation America is in right now. The political and economical division amongst the people is so big, the only ones who are truly profiting are the corporations , holding everybody hostage at gunpoint allmost, for the allmighty dollar. Charging $40,-, for a mother holding her baby just after being born? Charging EVERYTHING to the max!! CRAZY...
This is very good because the doctor is stating how much the procedure actually costs the hospital, so you can see the vast profiteering that goes on in US hospitals.
But it's not just profiteering, it's extravagant rampant wide-scale theft, and insurance fraud, deception, corporate fraud, bank fraud, tax fraud, consumer fraud, trade descriptions violations and service description violations and a whole pile of other things. Literally, if you as a civilian were to try to pull this shit, you'd be facing both criminal and civil proceedings. But they are rich and protected and the American justice system is fucked, it will jail a poor person for jumping a turn style but let a President off for defrauding a charity for millions, and you can get a full life sentence cuffed in the back of a police car because your buddy gets shot by the police running away.
Which is why you refuse to pay them. You won't face civil proceedings, there are too many people that can't afford to pay. The hospital can't afford lawyers to sue everyone. It's much cheaper for them to accept a tiny settlement or just write it off.
@@themoviedealers That ruins credit. When your credit is bad, it's hard to even rent apartments. Employers check credit and don't prefer to hire people with low scores. Bad credit leads to expensive loans, and in most places people must have a car to live (public transport is bad). If you have a big debt they just go to the court and garnish your wages. I work with several people who just have money taken directly from their paycheck before they even see it because of debt garnishment. Bankruptcy would be the only way to stop that but that still has all of the limitations from bad credit.
@The Unknown I'm sorry about that. It's a worry for people in less urban areas. Mediocre, expensive hospitals. I just happened to end up needing 3 surgeries this year for Ulcerative Colitis, and to live within an hour of a top hospital for that (Cleveland Clinic). Been roomed up with several people getting previous surgeries fixed done by mediocre but still extortionately expensive hospitals. To afford hospitals you have to either be impoverished and on Medicaid or have corporate insurance. I daren't lose my job or the bills would bankrupt me. Imagine that, but with a bad hospital? It's truly awful. If they mess you up they shouldn't get paid.
@@themoviedealers A friend of mine's wife had a baby a few years back. There were lots of complications and it ended up costing well over a million dollars. He set up a "payment plan" and is "paying it off" $5 a month.
This is why I haven't been to a DR in almost 3 years. Last time I went was because I broke all 4 of my small toes on one foot. So it couldn't be avoided.... im pretty sure I have some major health issues. I've had headaches at least 2times a week for years and I have major stomach issues regularly. But it doesn't seem like I'm going to die from it... pretty sure. So its not worth the cost. I can barely afford rent can't be worrying about my heath.
@@scotthullinger4684 Actually the base cost for services and medication is considerably different. Even in the UK which has the NHS, you still have to pay for medication and prescriptions in certain parts of the UK. If you look up the price of an epipen say, the base cost is considerably different (costs around £45 per pen or £90 for 2 OR £8.80 with NHS prescription charge) when in the US it is $650. Obviously, you have to take in the cost of living and wage difference however the US just has the price inflated for further profit margins not because of the actual cost of manufacturing.
@@scotthullinger4684 Never did I say the NHS system could work in the US and would resolve problems, I didn't even highlight 'problems'. YOU brought up how it costs the same everywhere, which it does not and I simply expressed that and then YOU started spewing about capitalism and socialism. My initial comment was simply expressing how insane it is that a simple treatment in the US is the equivalent of a down payment in the UK. Nothing more, nothing less. It sounds as though you are trying to have a debate with yourself here and getting a little too carried away while you're at it.
I absolutely busted up laughing when you said it was the Ryan Air of Healthcare. That’s the best description of the US healthcare system I’ve ever heard.
Americans: "Nothing is free, you're still paying for it in your taxes!" Me: "Yeah, but because *everyone* is paying for it in their taxes, you're each paying *a shit-ton less* for it. That's how division works, genius."
@@grayhalf1854 "If I do it myself, it's charity and wonderful, but if the law makes me do it, it's communism and evil!" "So you'll donate to charities that pay people's medical bills?" "Psh, of course not, it's my hard-earned money!"
@@pigs18 "Insurance is factored into the cost of all goods and services sold in the US"? Um... can you please explain that a bit more to me? If I buy an apple, what part of that cost exactly is going towards what kind of insurance?
I wash up in a pub and get £11 per hour…. Junior doctors are caring for us and saving lives, not washing pans and they get a£1.50 more Does not make sense. Rebecca xx
Doctors should defo get paid way more, but £11/hr washing up in a pub?? That's very good money lmao, trying to get a part-time pub job at the min and struggling to find jobs that are more than minimum wage (which for me at 20 years old is £6.56/hr)
@@solared No, it's actually a very clever way to make lots money off of people, who don't live in the US, and the US government doesn't do anything for them since they don't live in the US. Very clever, and immoral, and unfair, but that's basically what 'Murica is build on.
I'm an Aussie. During my pregnancy and birth of my son, including my 1 week stay in hospital, it cost me ZERO dollars. I had an epidural and a water birth was my original plan. After returning home from hospital, I had a nurse come to my home to do a check up....again, free because of our national health care system. America is no dream lol
I grew up in the US but now I live in NZ and what Evan said about not going to the doctor unless you’re in a dire emergency because of fearing the cost is something that is hardwired into me despite the fact that NZ healthcare is free or extremely low cost
Free? Healthcare isn’t usually free In New Zealand. It’s only free if you’re in an accident, if you’re sick then you have to pay for it yourself. My mum had to get a few surgeries a couple years ago and luckily it was all covered by our insurance otherwise we would of had to pay like $20,000. It’s cheaper than America but still tons of money.
@@rachelcookie321 ive had two seizures, broken bones, suicide attempt and a brest reduction surgery every single thing was free, the only thing i paid for was the prescriptions and ambulance for my seizures which cost 90 each from st johns.
@@rachelcookie321 assuming NZ is like aus, you likely went to a private hospital that was in partnership with your private insurance. if you went to a government hospital, it would have been free.
@@rachelcookie321 ? My brother got really sick and we didn’t pay a cent. My friends have also had many surgeries and haven’t paid anything. Did you go private ??
The NHS staff saved mine and my unborn baby's life in January. I had covid and ended up in ICU. I was at deaths door and may had never met my little boy. Thank you NHS. You are my guardian angels xxx
@@ShammaAzmi bless you. My one regret is I wish I'd listened to my instincts, I was working up until 8 months pregnant in a GP practice so still had contact with people. This was also before the vaccination programme progressed to pregnant people. So it was even more risky. This was my second too. Just do what feels right, and look after yourself as much as possible x
There was this thing years ago, someone explained a hip replacement cost in the US was $41,000 at the time and it was explained that you could fly and move to spain, live there for 2 years, have two hip replacement surgeries and fly back to the US for less. US medical is not for the people, its a business built for profit.
I'm an EU citizen living in the UK. I happen to work in the NHS, which I love despite the terrible pay. I have 2 children. My first birth was very complicated and traumatic. I'm guessing it cost them loads just to keep me alive, let alone patching me up after it. I was in hospital for over a week, had to have surgery, was intubated, etc. Second birth, I chose to have a cesarean because emotionally and mentally I couldn't go through the same thing again. It was straight forward, some hemorrhage but as I had had a massive one with my first, they knew it could happen and were ready for it. I spent 3 days in. Easier recovery this time and my guess is that it cost roughly the same. I'm thankful I could chose and that I didn't have to be in debt to have my babies. I love working in the NHS. When I'm at work I give my all to my patients. That's how I want to be treated so I make sure my patients know I care and will do my best for them. That's what everyone deserves. A little bit more pay is needed but we are definitely not working in the NHS for the pay 🩵
I have heard from a couple of people whose close friends in the states (I’m Canadian) that they chose NOT to be treated for cancer even though there was a pretty high cure rate, due to the extreme cost. I think the for profit system in the US is tragic.
The scary part is you have no idea what the treatment will cost when you start it. Last year, I had to go to the hospital for blood clots in my lungs. Once they told me what I had, I had no choice but to have it treated then or there was a high possibility that I would throw another clot and die. When I was admitted, I couldn’t say what my end total would be. Luckily, I have pretty good health insurance, so I felt it was something I could handle. I ended up paying $2,000 out of pocket. I shudder to think what may have happened to me if I didn’t have insurance, since my presenting symptoms didn’t seem that bad to me. Maybe I would just blow them off for fear of getting a $50,000 bill.
The cost, I believe, would go down significantly if hospitals were forced to be honest about how much each treatment costs. If someone is able to shop around for the best price then that forces the hospitals to compete, which would lower the price. I don't mind paying for my medical bills, but I can't stand calling around only to be told how they don't know how much having a baby at their hospital will cost, and can't give me even a range of prices. Same with urgent care clinics and most doctors offices.
Had an illuminating chat with a taxi driver when I was in England in 2019. The issue of privatizing healthcare was hot and he wanted to know what two Americans thought. I broke down just how much my work provided healthcare cost me per month plus the deductible plus the surprise bill plus the lack of control in keeping any part of your healthcare service ‘in network’ plus your tied to your job or loss your healthcare making it harder to move job. Just dear god, if you have nationalized healthcare, hold onto it for dear life. I mean, right now I’m in the middle of a fight between my insurance company and the largest healthcare provider in the state, both writing me letters asking me to tell the other company to play ball with them like we’re in fucking elementary school. It’s ridiculous and potentially catastrophic to life and finances. Why would you willingly trade what you have for this?
@@Colourmad314 We have legal bribery of our politicians here in the land of the free so the odds of actual people changing anything at this point are slim to none
You also pay more in taxes towards healthcare than people in the uk. 25% compared to 22.8%. Because you still pay medicare for old people. At astronomical prices.
@@lilbaz8073 a friend of mine in Canada went to work in the United States for a year. He did not tell me his tax rate, but let say it was 40% in Canada; those taxes include health care. For the same salary in the United States, his taxes were 20% and his medical insurance was 20%. That means he paid the same in both countries... except that in the United States there are also deductible, copay, out-of-network fees. While the tax rate is lower in the United States, the overall cost is higher there.
@@ghyslainabel think you may have misundertood the point i was making. Of all taxes collected by the fed in america (corporation tax, income tax etc...). 25% are spent on helthcare. While it is 22.8% of all taxes paid to the government in the uk. Yet the uk is mostly free, while americans still have to pay insurance, deductables etc... It is a con.
I recently gave birth in Finland and the total cost (yeah we do actually have to pay some ourselves) ended up at around 300€. This included everything, from our 2 night stay for me and my husband, to the emergency c-section etc. Super happy to be living in Europe whenever I need health care.
@@peternicol9355 No it isn't. The idea that the NHS is the best healthcare in the world is nonsense. Even if we ignore the disgusting dereliction of duty and the manipulation by the NHS currently, many European countries provide a much better service
@@peternicol9355 We don't travel to the UK for healthcare. That is why. Unless you're talking about healthcare in the private sector. That is pretty much the only thing the UK has going for it. And thanks to Brexit and the Tories being in power, it won't take long at all before private healthcare in the UK starts to reach US prices and the NHS covers less and less critical care. Ditch your exceptionalism. The UK isn't special.
@@peternicol9355 Don't make me laugh. The UK is currently collapsing and Ireland has clearly demonstrated that England is doing worse in terms of vaccinations. And don't even get me started on that ridiculous "herd immunity" bullshit that greedy lying sacks of shit in leadership positions spouted at the start of the pandemic. It was nothing more than an excuse to make sure the rich kept making money while everyone around them were dropping like flies.
Genuinely, I wish the US had a similar health care system to the UK. We'd still complain, but we'd complain less & have a physically healthier population overall. It shouldn't cost a small fortune just to keep yourself alive if you're physically healthy, but have small complications, or have a kid.
@@khwezik3894 No. Obamacare/the ACA was a health care bill that opened up a lot of people to getting health care that couldn't before. It limited how health care companies could drop people with pre-existing conditions & whatever else. It apparently had a universal option if you couldn't afford an insurance company...that was removed before it passed because they wanted to get more Republican support on it. The Trump Administration removed the individual mandate, which I think is for the better because it forced people who couldn't afford insurance to pay a fine, which isn't something people SHOULD be doing, with no benefits to them. Unfortunately, the mandate also removes protecting people with pre-existing conditions from getting dropped from the insurers, bit that's why I think the shit should just be redone anyways.
For sure. No human should ever have to choose not to stay alive because if they got help they would be crippled with debt for the rest of their lives. I'm very grateful to live in the UK and be able to get the help I need when I need it
Being charged for skin to skin contact with something I created within that skin is just adding a slap to a compromised crotch, salt on the wound ,etc etc
And I saw somewhere else here on youtube that women in the USA are automatically put on a drip while in labour. The whole health service in the USA is about giving you as many medical prodecures as they can charge for, whether or not you really need it. And apparently end of life care in the USA is just a money racket.
@@rusticpartyeditz I mean I guess the drip is good to have ready incase of having to get drugs in quick. Just saying as USA has a _wonderfull_ rate in deaths during childbirth. Edit: Apparently people don't read sarcasm. I'm using heavy sarcasm at the statement of childbirth death rates of women and babies. The reason why I even mentioned it is because women in my country don't go to the hospital fearing of dying while in labour. 😂
@@marialindell9874 Maternal death rate US 14 per 100k. UK 8 per 100k. Child death rate US 6 per 1000, uk 4 per 1000. Whatever the US is doing, it isn't good.
OK but as a resident of the UK can I just say that a JUNIOR DOCTOR earning £12 an hour is outrageous. Your doctor should be able to afford the average price of a Nando's for FUCK'S sake.
you want to pay more tax to fund that? I would happily do so but that is what would be needed the money has to come from somewhere for pay rises. If the overall NHS budget does not change and you increass pay you have less money for everything else. yet raisng taxes to fund such things dont win votes so it does not happen
@@lordomacron3719 I personally would pay for it by making companies like Amazon actually pay taxes, but if you're asking "If literally the only way to pay NHS workers more would be a tax increase on you, would you still be in favour?" the answer is yes.
@@LynxChan good i wish more would think that way. One point thought the Likes of Amazon DO pay their Taxes perfectly legally that is not the fualt of the companies that is the fault of those who wrote the tax laws that can be exploited in such ways. in the debate about big compaines and tax all i hear is how the company are the ones who should face critisisim and not the politicians who make the tax laws in the first place. they are both responsable
@@lordomacron3719absolutely agree, it's our governments that must be held to account for the loopholes and back doors they install for the benefit of large companies to exploit. Companies will do everything they legally can to keep and grow their money, that is their entire purpose, it's government that has to ensure they pay their fair share, and it's our job to hold politicians who don't to account.
@@lordomacron3719 Not necessarily, a wage increase usually ends up paying for itself. This is because they will have extra money that they can spend on things they want and funnel it back into the economy. When people are struggling they only spend when they have to. "How do we pay for it?" is a redundant question. Especially when the government has spaffed 36 billion pounds on track and trace, spent 12 million on their new conference stage, and Boris spent £900,000 painting a bloody plane! Not to mention the government spends approximately £8000 a minute on nuclear weapons and keeping Trident going.
I lived with an undiagnosed, untreated chronic illness that kept me from attending school consistently when I was in high school. I suffered for almost the entire school year (about 10 months) and only went to the doctor once the school told me my attendance was getting bad enough that I would have to repeat the year if I didn't fix it. My family and I were too worried that I had something seriously wrong with me healthwise and would rather live in blissful ignorance than have to add a ton of medications and doctor visits to our bills. Thankfully it wasn't that bad... It just ended up being one visit and some OTC drugs taken daily. A few years later, I was in college/university, away from my parents for the first extended period of time. I was having menstrual cramps so bad that I thought my appendix burst... every single month. Sometimes even when I wasn't menstruating. I remember one time where I got a sudden bout of cramps and I was knelt on the school library floor sobbing and cradling myself. It was agony. I've had shingles before and this was worse. I still didn't go to a doctor until many months later because my insurance wasn't taken at the closest doctor offices -- I had to go home from school and take some days off school and go to urgent care to figure it out. I still had to pay close to $100 after insurance coverage for two doctor visits and some more for the lab work. The USA just clearly prefers people suffer for free rather than get the health care they need. Especially since my family is lower middle class, we couldn't afford to go. It's easier and cheaper to just die.
@@scotthullinger4684this is backwards thinking and entirely self centred. You’re not paying for other people - you’re paying for you when your body starts going wrong. Screw America, third world pretending it’s a first world
Americans get hostile (I’m American, I know) when they see a system that they think is communistic, ignoring the fact that it’s not really about whether or not you pay for medical treatments in the UK-it’s about how grossly overcharged everything is in America. That’s the stark difference. That’s the main issue.
Totally agree. Reminds me of when I was taking a sociology class in college where we briefly covered collectivism and individualism. Since weekly online discussions were encouraged, I started a post on how western societies (typically considered individualistic) were not completely devoid of collectivism. I gave a few examples like fraternities/sororities(since we were on a college campus), but the responses I got were pretty...interesting. Ppl would say collectivism = communism = bad, and US is not like communist countries, so my examples don’t count and such. I made no statement that collectivism is bad, or mention any relationship to communism at all, and yet some ppl reacted so overly defensive! It’s crazy how you can’t even have a civil discussion about anything that can be remotely associated with communism, it’s ridiculous. I know that isn’t everyone, but these ppl tend to be obnoxiously loud.
Watching this…I’m thankful for the “expensive” medical/healthcare in my country. We have a national insurance and a “medical account” called Medisave that we contribute from our salary. Giving birth in a govt hospital costs between $4000 to $1000 depending on the ward class and we end up paying between $800 to $3000 in cash, with the rest paid from insurance and Medisave. I had a major surgery for colon cancer and a 13 days hospital stay in a Govt hospital and a subsidised ward. Total bill? ~ $48k After subsidies ~ $11k All paid for from my insurance and Medisave. I opted out of chemo ~ that would have cost me $800 per cycle in cash. Each review with carcinogenic test costs $80. Each CT Scan cost $800 plus (we can use up to $600 from our Medisave per year for CT/Pet/MRI scans). My double scoping procedure costs $1500 each time (as a day surgery, I can claim under insurance and Medisave).
I'm so sorry! I had a friend who thought he might be having a heart attack and when I called 911 asking for an ambulance they actually asked me again how serious it was bc if I could drive him myself i could save the cost of the ambulance which they said was a lot. Then another friend who was in the hospital, they gave them a pain medication drip where they could press a button for more pain relief but the nurse warned him that every click of the button is like $100 so make sure you need it. Omg us health care sucks
Last year, I ended up in the ER following a suicide attempt. I was under observation for 12hrs to ensure my heart didn’t go into distress and start arresting. I was given IV saline and IV antiemetics to help flush my system, as well as blood tests, and an EKG. After I was discharged, I received my ER bill less than a week later. Even with insurance, it cost me 6x what I make in a month. After getting that bill, I almost wished I had succeeded, because the financial price was (at that time of my life) worse than paying with my life. There’s something severely wrong with the American healthcare system if I’d rather successfully end my life, than get emergency intervention and live to face the bill.
In England during the height of covid I needed double shoulder surgery they gave me an mri scan and 2 weeks later they gave me flawless surgery! On top of that they gave me 6 months of physiotherapy !! All medication was included ! Furthermore my dad needed a life saving heart surgery again during the height of covid! All of this cost £0 I love the nhs and everyone that works there, I always always buy an nhs worker a pint when I meet them! They are up there with our soldiers, thankyou boys and girls
This was an excellent video. I’ve seen videos criticising US healthcare costs before but not one where UK costs are broken down to this level. As a Brit, I’m glad to fund the NHS in the way that we do but we definitely take it for granted. Thanks for producing a very informative video. Very interesting.
We definitely do take it for granted. We allow or even encourage a lot of extremely unhealthy behaviour when said behaviour is a public burden. If you smoke you're not just causing problems for yourself but for all of society who must finance the inevitable treatment for the consequences of your behaviour.
@@10538overture What a well-reasoned, well-thought out response. You fanatical cult members who treat the NHS like an untouchable God are insane. You know full well what I wrote is not absolute bollocks.
@@nogoogleyounothavingmycred253 the irony here lol. We could say the same about your first comment how you said just as much as he did to back up your claim.
The government play on the fact we take it for granted too, by slowly selling it all off and underfunding it without us making a stink about it. The fact they haven't increased the budget IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC or to give its workers a reasonable pay rise says all you need to know about the Tory's.
I can’t thank the NHS enough. For free, they saved my life as a child from meningococcal septicaemia. They’ve given my child life through a difficult and complex pregnancy and birth. They saved her fathers leg from being amputated with a cage and pins through his leg & rods and screws keeping his spine together. We are so blessed 🙏🏻
@@davidevans3223 Yeah but it’s still substantially less than the US. The US pays more in healthcare than pretty much the entire developed world and on top of that they pay around 250% more for routine medicine compared to the rest of the developed world. This as well as your taxes each year. So the US actually has to pay for insurance, pay for medical treatment, pay their taxes and then pay through the nose for medicine (if required.) Compared to all of that being covered by everyone’s tax dollars in pretty much the rest of the developed word. I’d rather pay my taxes and not go bankrupt for visiting the doctor, thank you very much.
I'm for NHS in America. However, no private health insurance will pay for an ambulance ride if you are drunk..even dead drunk..You will have to pay maybe 2500 pounds and 1000 pounds for the ER room. If you are falling down drunk and pass out chances are nobody will call an ambulance..American's are very careful when they use the health system. In some cities like the one I live in, you have to pay for a fire truck that you have called for...
I live in India and we just recently had a baby. it cost us totally around of 965 USD(77000 INR) for a 4 day stay in a private room of a very well equipped and modern hospital. this was including everything the doctors fees, medicine, babys bill etc. Most of it was reimbursed by our insurance as well .
My wife's British and it blew my mind when she went to the hospital for a check-up, and had surgery the next day like it was nothing. I had a bad cramp in my neck and charged $1,500 for just walking into the hospital in the US.
This is why it annoys me when people from the US say "yeah but you have huge wait lists" or "yeah but you'll die waiting to be treated". The NHS will treat you VERY quickly if it's needed. I needed surgery following a severe tear during birth. They saw me on the Thursday and operated on the following Tuesday. Also I'm sure I read that the wait times AND quality of care are generally worse in the US and many go bankrupt for it too. They have one of the worst maternal death rates of the developed world.
@@kingasparagoose6849 Nah, I'm British and the NHS does sometimes have huge wait times, but those wait times are only as long as they are due to the chronic and purposeful underfunding the NHS has been receiving over the last decade, they've been getting longer over time and it's a big part of why NHS staff keep going on strike, as the NHS needs more funding. However those wait times are also usually for things that aren't immediately urgent, if you need surgery right now then you'll get surgery right now. Despite wait times, the NHS is miles ahead of the US system of healthcare and if you really want you can still go private anyway and at least private costs in the UK are fairly reasonable, unlike the US. The security the NHS provides cannot be understated.
I grew up desperately wanting to be American ... I believed that everything was superior there .. Then i travelled and my eyes were opened . America is a great country but sadly i don't think it looks after its people well. That shocked me ...
The health care system in the US is actually disgusting. It's funny hearing the differences but when you consider what someone can owe for a medical emergency they have no control over it's so depressing.
There are occasional news stories about people refusing ambulances after car crashes because they know they can't pay. It's really messed up, to be perfectly honest, and it's one of the biggest reasons I hope to leave this country in a few years.
I mean, not even a car accident, where there's someone to blame maybe because they ran a red light or something. You just fall at home or something equally unpredictable and not anyone's fault and that's it, that's your year's salary, if you're lucky, down the drain. It's crazy
@@nahuelma97 too true. I specifically highlighted the car accident thing because I remember reading a news story about it, but I know it also happens in many other circumstances. Either way it's messed up
The thought occurs to me that maybe many US citizens who are afraid of the costs or have no insurance did not even go to the hospital during this pandemic and may have died (undetected) of the virus.
@@manub.3847 I think the undetected part may not be as feasible as one would initially think, since there would have to be an autopsy, which would reveal the cause of death to be COVID-19, but people being afraid to go to the doctor, yeah, that's pretty messed up
I'm from the Netherlands. My partner had to have open hart surgery a couple years back. He had two open heart surgeries (1st one didn't fix it, so they had to go in a second time). Each surgery was followed by 2 days in intensive care and about 5 days in general care. For the surgeries, hospital care and all the drugs, I think the hospital declared about 15,000 euro to his insurance. For the insurance he only had to pay his "own risk" portion, which at the time was 385 euro. If we lived in the US, we would have been bankrupt.
I live in Spain and had an open ankle dislocation in which 65% of my ankle was open. I was ambulanced into emergency surgery, hospitalised and 2 years later still having check up MRIs. I paid ZERO. Only a small amount for medication prescriptions which probably totally came to 20 dollars if that. I am walking fine and everytime I look at the ever fading scar, I am so grateful for National Health
Capitalism: "Companies that compete with each other will lead to more effective healthcare and cheaper prices for the consumer." NHS: "Here, hold my bag of saline."
This is true though, on paper at least. The problem with American healthcare is its badly propped up by insurance companies and the government so the prices get jacked up. If they didn't rely so much on insurance and just had people pay a reasonable price per consultation I.e €50 like we have here, plus a bit extra for special procedures line x-rays, there would be significantly less problems
@@frostyblade8842 to be honest, it's partly true, partly not. The companies which survive are not always the ones offering the best consumer experience - they are the ones who make the most profit. Offering the best customer experience / best price is one method, but cutting your costs (even in immoral ways) or monopolising are also popular methods
@@frostyblade8842 The NHS has massive bargaining power when it comes to drug companies. It negotiates on behalf of 60M patients. If a pharmaceutical company is being greedy - the NHS just says NO! Most drug companies blink first - and reduce their price. The multitude of US insurance companies have no such bargaining - and just pass the cost to the patient. Capitalism at its finest.
Only until they wipe out smaller or individual health establishments and they get monopoly . American healthcare is actually forefather of ubers to nyc taxis 😁
There are states in the USA that take peoples homes and put them in jail if they cant pay their medical bills. Last year I had to put 9000 dollars on my credit card to pay for two root canals and a crown. Im still trying to pay it off. I hate living in the USA as I get older.
@@pieflower6419 it is underfunded and understaffed but its our NHS its a beautiful place to go when you need help. No one panics and think oh dear can they afford that ambulance. No one is thinking about a bill while in the most vulnerable moment of their life. My husbands picking you up in that ambulance and all he's thinking is how do I save, treat and/or help this person.
@@sagnhill That price is insane. I live in Norway, for some reason dental is not considered part of our public healthcare(though still free for children) so it's all private. A normal checkup would cost about 100$, I'd guess two root canals and a crown would cost somewhere between 300-500$.
😂 I cut my finger in France (I’m Dutch). Went to the hospital. Doc had to check my tendon for damage, had to call in another doctor. We spent about two hours there in a private room. The only thing I paid was the over the counter meds afterwards (€50) and I could charge most of that to my insurance when I got home. French medical service was excellent.
Australian here 🙋♀️ my son had an appendectomy last year, emergency surgery; including ambulance ride to the children's hospital about 40mins away. After we got home, he had acute pain so back to children's hospital ED in another ambulance, we were there about 8 hours, he just needed an adjustment to his pain meds. Cost me about $70 in parking at the hospital. That's it. I love Medicare and our public system. Edit: I forgot to mention diagnosing GP came to our home, at night and said my son probably had appendicitis, he organised the first ambulance. How much? $0.
Canadian here: My best friend ended up in hospital with a very rare condition for 7 months. She was in ICU twice during that time and on extremely expensive drugs. Multiply CT and MIR scans. It cost her zero dollars until she was officially discharged but had to go into extended care which took a couple of weeks, so then she was being charged for her bed which was about $400 in the end. Her diagnosis was Neuromyelitis optica. Sadly she passed away 4 years later from complications of NMO.
This is why (in America) I (a paramedic) try to save my patients as much money as possible. I absolutely hate how I work really hard to save a patient's life only to have them drown in medical bills.
I’ve just spent three months in hospital with bowel cancer surgery, 3 ambulance trips, 3 bouts of septicaemia, morphine withdrawal, wound went septic, three weeks in intensive care, can’t count the x rays scans and different treatments including chemotherapy and then carers when I came home and the biggest expense I had was for my dogs fees while I was in there. God knows how much that would have cost me in the States, probably half a million maybe more.
my mother was walking around with a burst appendix for a week and she didn’t go until she absolutely had to. i’m sure so many americans have died from this
@@cmmndrblu I'm a diabetic here in the UK and all my medications are free, it truly heartless that in the US you are held accountable to either your job, parents or how much you have in your bank account to survive any or all life changing health issues. A truly Dog eat Dog society.
I considered driving myself to the hospital when I was in NO CONDITION to drive because I didn't want to pay for an ambulance. I eventually called an ambulance because I didn't want to crash and kill someone. The ride and ER visit cost me $2,000 (and that was only because I didn't need any major procedures)
The most amazing thing about the NHS, above and beyond everything they do for us, is the fact they do it with a smile despite being criminally overworked and underpaid!
You work a few year's of your life to pay for the NHS out of tax you can work another full year and give them every penny and it will still be underfunded
@@davidevans3223 agree, staff are often underpaid and not happy about it. I have seen the NHS change so much. Peoples lifestyles have brought its needs type 2 diabetes is the biggest cost to the NHS. Diet and exercise people.
Still treated better then EMT here. They made the work contract in such a way that if you aren't actually responding to a call then you're 'on call' ( as off you were sitting about at home hoping to pick up extra hours despite being on a scheduled 8 hr shift). Those 'on call' wages? $2/hr...then they have the nerve to bitch about the lack of paramedics (keeping in mind you have to work your way up to paramedic) massive wait times, and burnout. I'm sorry but if someone expected me to work even their 'actively responding pay' (15/hr btw) with massive student debt, long often 12-16hr shifts despite the fact they aren't supposed to be allowed to do that, then add in ppl treating you like shit drunks addicts idiots treating you like a taxi and ptsd due to having to make split second decisions with minimal information and occasionally outright wrong information...I'd go tell them to get fucked too. Hell, a damn gas station cashier makes more without the student debt. A bus driver makes 4x more then a paramedic here... To me, that's disgusting. An athlete lives like a king but medical staff make barely enough to cover their student debt never mind costs of living. These are the people we should be paying the highest not the crappiest.
I work in the NHS and this is a myth. SOME NHS workers are underpaid - Paramedics, criminally so and also there are a LOT of minimum wage admin staff, usually middle aged women, who often run whole departments who are criminally underpaid. Doctors and Nurses are NOT UNDERPAID, in fact, they are paid very well indeed. Doctors in particular are now the highest paid profession in the country. Nurses start low, like most professions, but Staff Nurses (sisters) can see packages of £40-50k, Matron level - up to £80k. Senior nursing management, in excess of £100k. When looking at healthcare salaries you have to understand that the publicly listed data is far removed from actual take-home. Most will work a 35 hour week and will pick up an additional shift paid on locum rates or bank and this can be 3-4 times higher than their permanent hourly rate. At time of writing, November 2022 a standard Band 5 Ward nurse in London working Agency shifts is paid £36.5 per hour. I can cite examples of theatre nurses working for Insourcing Companies (which run whole NHS Departments) who are on £900 per day plus. Last year when Doctors were demanding yet more money, the NHS responded by doing a deal with Tesla which would allow them to write off the cost of a Tesla against tax, this is why so many doctors are driving around in Tesla sports cars - paid for by you and me BTW.... underpaid! my hairy caledonian ring piece!
I was really surprised to hear that he was only paid £12/hour... I knew wages on the NHS were low but this is ridiculous... you guys deserve to be paid so much more
I was a student nurse in Scotland back in 2014/15 and we were paid £500 a month. We were doing 36 hours a week and official nursing jobs. I believe the grant is now £10,000 per annum.
Well let's remember that you can't give away free services to 50 million people and then pay all the people providing those services huge salaries..... the money has to come from somewhere.....
Every US politician, healthcare executive, pharmaceutical executive and anyone else opposed to universal healthcare should have to watch this and then defend their position. I have two relatives through marriage who are MD's in the NHS - they are specialists who could practice anywhere but choose to stay in with NHS. Thank you for posting this Evan.
The size and population of the U.S could easily not just afford a low tax national health service, but they could have the best in the world, I once did the maths on the entire working populous paying $3 per month in healthcare tax and it far surpassed what was necessary for free healthcare, the drug companies would also still profit with a $10 prescription rate. Imagine what the system would be like if you rounded it up to $5 per month.
from a quick Google search that would come to 5.6 Billion Annually. We currently ALREADY spend 812 billion on Medicare so add that up to 818 billion just to round it. Different studies suggest different things but from the three studies I read Administrative savings from would be about $600 billion a year. Savings on prescription drugs would be between $200 billion and $300 billion a year, if we paid about the same price as other comparable countries paid. So lets just value it all at like 818b + 800b in savings to get 1.6 trillion dollars. Estimates of projected costs for universal health care place us at around 30 to 40 trillion dollars over a 10 year period or 3-4 trillion annually. So it would actually be 13-14 dollars a month instead of 3. Which is a good fucking deal isnt it?
@@avro9159 I mean if you read my reply to him I already pointed that out. We would have to pay 13-14 a month. It wouldn't cover the cost but it would basically even out with savings and additional revenue what we already pay.
Working middle class adults pay 400 euros per month in France for the equivalent of the NHS. And about 30 to 60 euros for eyes and dental insurance that also cover most of private clinics
@@avro9159 So you’re ok with privatizing healthcare? You really want that “for profit” healthcare system? You really think “making money and profits” is more important than HEALTH?
A patient of mine had stents in the US whilst on holiday, and was charged £500,000. 10 years later has needs further stents in the UK, and didn't pay a penny out of pocket
Can confirm US health bills for heart attacks are insane; my grandmother had one earlier this year. The total bill was ~$150,000, and going through the individual charges was impossible to decipher and so frustrating
@@evan my favorite was the mysterious $15,000 charge for “materials” that apparently weren’t included in the room charge, the bed charge, or the drugs charge 🤷♀️
What drove me crazy when giving birth to my daughter, was that they charged me a room occupancy fee of 7k for myself, and an additional room occupancy fee of 5k for my newborn. We were in the same room the entire time! I was caring for her the entire time myself, outside of the standard newborn checks, which they also charged me for! Gtfo
Wtf! If you have insurance would it still cost as much? Like for here in Australia you have the choice to go public which is free or go private which you may have an out of pocket cost of maybe ranging from 200 to 1k maybe. And do most people in the US have private health? How do people pay for those exorbitant bills? That's just so fucked up
The answer is we don't :/ plenty of people can't afford healthcare at all. Lots of low income people just kinda live in debt... even with my mother's most expensive insurance plan through her work, her deductible is still so high she can never go to the doctor, so she's working on a broken (never fully healed) ankle but just works through the pain cuz bills don't pay themselves
@@instinctivejudgement Most people don’t. It gets put on your credit report and affects the rest of your life of being able to buy a home or anything like that it shows up as debt.
I had a baby at the start of the month and it wasn’t the smoothest and the thought of having to pay £££ on top of the trauma is terrifying. Also. The US charge you for skin-to-skin?!?! That’s horrific 💔 So thankful for the NHS we really don’t know how lucky we are until we compare to other countries.
I mean, you Brits take universal free healthcare for granted because you’ve had the NHS since 1946 while in America we still don’t have universal healthcare. Thankfully there’s a political movement here called Medicare for all so we eventually catch to the rest of the world.
@@koukkoufos2000 well you would if the politicians who support it would get elected. Your F’ed up system means that Medicare for all probably won’t be a thing until you fix gerrymandered districts and finally elect a left leaning president rather than moderates like Biden
@@lukas97671 Dude, we had a chance to elect a left leaning president in Bernie Sanders but unfortunately corruption chose Biden. Also gerrymandering needs to die but we can do Medicare for all even without banning gerrymandering. Also we have a few politicians who support Medicare for all in congress but they are too scared to challenge Nancy pelosi on it who is against it
As an American in the midwest, I still pay a lot for my healthcare, but my last trip to the ER in an ambulance (including x-ray and stitches) was about $3,500 without insurance. The numbers I hear about what must be the rest of the country are even shocking to me!
i went to the ER because of gallbladder pain had a few blood tests done, an EKG and finally taken back to an exam room and spoke to a doctor. About 6 1/2 hours later and i have $15,000 in medical bills that won't be covered because I hadn't paid my $4,700 deductible yet and my out of pocket maximum is $8,700. I have to have the removal surgery tomorrow so that's going to add even more debt
You do realise an ambulance is just a small van with underpaid, glorified drivers, right? Including petrol, depreciation, staff, it probably cost under $300.
"I hate the smell when it's not santized properly" Remember that people when you complain that hospital stink of disinfectant and/or bleach it could smell of something a WHOLE lot worse
I had an ovarian cyst rupture when I was out of town once and was so scared of a high emergency room bill, that I just laid in pain in my hotel room. Luckily I had no further complications when I got an ultrasound years later- but it goes to show in the US how scared we all are because hospital bills are so high.
That is so scary and I'm so sorry that happened to you. So many people have to stay home out of fear, or try to practice "frontier medicine" on themselves. I know a few people who have stitched themselves up, and one guy that goes to a veterinarian he knows, under the table. The risks are overshadowed by potential costs of seeking care.
It’s also worth mentioning that a lot of people will get their prescriptions free as well - people with significant health conditions like cancer or epilepsy will get an exemption card.
Lol I had epilepsy and I had to pay for my prescriptions. Luckily I'm now 5 years med free seizure free so I don't have to worry about that anymore but never even had a doctor mention an exception card.
Sorry to hear that but yep as someone with epilepsy I only pay for my dentist (prescription it has a tick box for exrmpt or chronic conditions) and even then he often gets it done for free by saying that as i grind my teeth in a seizure its disproportionate wear and tear. He does charge me for the coffee stain removal mind.
I'm so glad and thankful for our NHS! They saved my life on at least 3 occasions( 3 brain aneurysm operations with stand's including a burst one with massive bleed) plus 2 kidney transplants and dialysis treatment for 3 years inbetween. And 10 different and very expensive medicines I have to take daily for the rest of my life. Cost to me £ 0.00 I don't dare imagine what that would have cost me in USA. Thanks to NHS I'm able to see my 11 year old son grow up. And that is PRICELESS!!! ❤️ NHS ❤️
Still just baffles me completely how the US can live with its health system. I'm from the UK and dislocated my shoulder in Italy. They didn't even ask for my EHIC card or anything just told me it was free in the most stereotypically Italian way, fixed me up and sent me on my way all in the same night. The only thing I paid for was the taxi ride home.
I dislocated my knee in Spain. Had to show my EHIC but other than crutches and medication (painkillers and blood clot preventative injections) which cost about €30 it was free.
Evan never says in any of his videos, you can call the billing department of the hospitals in the US and make arrangements to pay what you can afford every month until the bill is paid.
@@marydavis5234 Doesn't that still just saddle you with a bunch of debt though? You are still forced into an expense for the purpose of your own health. My shoulder dislocation is part of a wider instability in both of my shoulders that means I've been in the hospital several times this year as well as having physio on the NHS. Even for a monthly cost I dread to think how long I would be paying that for if the cost fell directly onto me.
From what I can now recall about a video - or it may have been a documentary that I have seen before somewhere. The EHIC card was created to make sure that any EU citizen was guaranteed treatment in any EU country. The idea of the card was that, if used, where you are then treated can then be used to send a bill back to their own country for whatever your care package was that was needed at the time . . . I still remember now from it that the NHS paid these incoming bills off very quickly. Whereas many other countries always owed the NHS millions, up to perhaps hundreds of millions for not paying for what had been done in the UK for their own countrymen/women. And from what I can just about recall from a year or two ago since watching it now - the NHS was owed a few billion by them all together - as in some countries, a lot more than others, it was dependant upon wherever the most UK tourists went to on holiday and then went to get something seen to . . .
I’m from the US but have been living in Taipei, Taiwan for the past two years. They have national health insurance, where they cover 90% of the cost. I have several severe chronic illnesses that because of how expensive it was in the US I would frequently not go to doctors because I couldn’t afford to add to ever mounting medical bills. Here in Taiwan I go to PT twice a week (which I will need virtually forever), and this is covered in my once a month doctors visit, which also covers me for my meds for 3 months. I go to the top hospital in Taiwan, and the doctors visit, 3 months worth of medication, and month of physical therapy cost me about 500NTD or roughly $18 USD(at smaller hospitals or clinics this can get as cheap as $3 USD)… my health insurance is about $29 USD a month… paid annually. I’m just so incredibly glad that I can get the help I need and not be constantly under the crushing pressure that medical debt makes you feel. In Taiwan’s stated reason for their healthcare system they said that they didn’t want anyone with a chronic illness to have to go bankrupt because of it. Healthcare should be a basic human right. I’m not someone who gets angry at many things, but the US healthcare system is just… a disgusting business that has absolutely no desire to help people in need. It’s there to just make money off people’s misfortune.
My husband's family is Taiwanese - even though we are in Australia and covered by Medicare (they are dual citizens), the healthcare is so brilliant in Taiwan his parents fly back for certain treatments.
American with multiple chronic illnesses here. I had to live with family for many years as an adult, because literally everything I earned at a full-time but low-wage job had to go towards healthcare costs. (Couldn't finish university because of health problems.)
I live in third world Philippines where our “sort of” government funded health care (PhilHealth)-my monthly contribution for PhilHealth is about 10usd- is sooo corrupt but atleast they still cover a portion of our hospital bills if we ever get confined and hospitals dont charge for skin-to-skin contact. If you work in big companies, they also provide private health care that will shoulder the remaining bill PhilHealth wont cover.
I turned 60 last year. A couple of weeks after my birthday I got an NHS Bowel Cancer Screening test kit through the letterbox. I didn't ask for this care, and it was free.
In Australia we get this from age 50. Women receive free breast cancer screening every two years from age 50 as well, and men receive free prostate checks from age 50. Also at age 50 your GP encourages a full workup blood sugar etc etc again, like in the UK, all free.
We in Australia also get the kit And free breast screening for women over 50. My daughter 27 had a little lump on her breast had a needle biopsy ultrasound etc.. and bill = $0 God bless Australia. My question is if you're poor what happens to you if you get sick and can't afford to pay hospital bill , do they still treat you ?
And that's how my dad's cancer was found this year. Esp grateful as if bowel cancer is found when you're symptomatic, it's in an advanced stage. Also grateful that NHS does this
I live in America but am an Englishman, my wife had to have blood tests which as she is a nurse at the hospital she gets for free, but the insurance company sent her a rundown of the bill for records snd it would have cost her $3,650. My mother in law was prescribed new medication for her heart and they wanted $1,000 every month for that one medication. It's a bloody rip off.
GP out of hours service saved my dad's life. A couple of years ago he had a brain hemorrhage and it was thanks to the people at the out-of-hours clinic that he actually went to A&E and is now still alive.
My husband had a medical emergency and had to be life flighted - insurance didn’t pay all of it and I had to appeal the bill was almost $50,000, insurance finally paid it. After being in the hospital for two weeks had to be taken off life support the total of everything was almost $300,000 and I had to pay almost $8,500. Having to deal with a sudden loss and then deal with months of calling about bills and etc is beyond frustrating (especially when trying to figure out financials if you can afford where you live etc because you don’t have their income either).
This is perhaps the worst thing about the American system - that people have to worry so much about money while they're already going through a physical and emotional crisis. It's like "oh, you're going through something horrible? Let's add to that". I'm very sorry for you and all other Americans who have to go through things like that.
That's so sad, and unnecessary, too. My mother was airlifted back to our town from the city in an air ambulance and it cost us nothing. I always feel sorry for Americans struggling with healthcare. But not for the ones that imply Australia is a Communist nation for having a free health system.
@@shoutforit tbh if you didnt count the 1% and adjust for cost of living US would be among the poorer developed maybe even going into developing territory.
This is so interesting, my Dad had a heart attack, including Ambulance, several nights in hospital, an Ambulance transfer to another hospital, a double bypass surgery and they managed to do it all while his heart was beating, then the intensive care afterwards. He paid absolutely nothing, nothing at all, for one of the leading heart surgeons in the UK.. The US is mad
My father was admitted to hospital because he didn’t feel well following a blood transfusion for his cancer treatment. Two days on he was admitted to ITU for 9 days with sepsis at which point he unfortunately died. I cannot fault the treatment her received in the NHS.
As somone from America I absolutely hate our medical system when it comes to Billing and Insurance. I am very lucky that my Mom works at a large hospital in the area as a house keeper, she gets really good insurance but a lot of our most reasonable insurance prices dont even cover most visits or prescriptions. Its terrifying to know that if my Mom lost her job rn we'd have to pay $500+ a month to live. (Me and My Mom both are on heart medication, my Mom would Die without it and Id be essentially bed ridden if I didnt have mine) Not including our yearly visits to make sure our bodies are still healthy and that our medication doesnt need adjusting. Im 18 years old and ppl would rather not pay taxes and lower our Military Budget to make health care more accessible to all and instead let hundreds of thousands of ppl suffer and even die bc they cant afford the treatment they need and it disgusts me.
The amount of people in the UK that will go to Doctor or A&E unnecessarily is unbelievable. I remember one occasion that I popped in to A&E to ask about nearest walk-in centre and staff said just come in here - I was seen pretty quickly - I think partially because I was asking about non-A&E. I would have been happy to go to walk-in. Thank you to NHS and their Docs & Nurses
I know I had a seizure and fell down the stairs and busted my face open and I was put in a room with another 3 people and one was there for a sore toe?? SMH
US citizen here: went to the er in another state because I cut my finger while cutting potatoes on vacation, insurance didn't cover it and ended up paying $8000 out of pocket for something I honestly probably could have done just as well a job myself wrapping up and waiting for the bleeding to stop. The US healthcare system is a joke. Even with insurance, I am terrified of falling ill and going into debt.
As an Englishman I just can’t get my head around you paying that much for medical treatment it’s just madness. The last thing you need to be worrying about when ill is how much is this going to cost. 2 years ago I had a 6hour operation and spent 3 weeks in hospital a bed 3 meals a day and all my medication all for free
@@busking6292 My anxiety is through roof because I’m always worried that I might get hurt or get sick. I don’t even dare do some things that I want to do because I don’t want to go into debt if I get hurt.
The NHS isn NOT free, it's free at source. i.e. you don't have to pay at the hospital or your GP. However everyone who works pays National Insurance which pays for the NHS and social security benefits, government pension, etc. It's taken directly from your salary but is only a small easily affordable percentage of your wage and is taken off before tax.
@@speleokeir yeah obviously lmao, when people say NHS is free they mean free at point of service, and it is "cheaper" since instead of paying let's say 2000 dollars in one month on medical bills, you pay 2000 dollars on a whole year, which is less of a burden on the individual (the numbers are only examples)
Not to mention, even if the NHS *wasn't* free at the point of use, the costs to the system are reasonable. It's the prices of US healthcare that are astonishing. Do Americans think this is just how much those services are supposed to cost?
@@ygiuzebbe it’s not cheaper. A healthcare plan in the US is about $100 for a single individual, whilst in the UK most people pay more than that to the NHS
I had reconstructive surgery on my feet as a child so I could walk and I remember my mama showing me the bill because it was covered by insurance but she was explaining that if we didn't have insurance it would have been well over 4 million dollars for each foot. It's INSANE
I'm German, we are historically and presently very docile towards our government, famously so even. And I wonder how the fuck US Americans haven't already burned their entire country down over this shit.
My wife had a heart attack and had 2 stents fitted and due to complications she was in hospital for 15 days…. Cost nothing…and to add to that she was off work for 7 months and she was on her full pay (35hrs per week) on 6 months and half pay after that for up to another year.
I’m American and ended up in the ER in London during a business trip. I either had food poisoning or a stomach bug and couldn’t stop throwing up. My British friend says I went to one of the best hospitals in London, which is a bit scary based on the waiting area and check in process. Once I was seen by a doctor, services were great. And I wasn’t charged anything.
I live in the US and during the first year of covid my fireplace blew up and my legs got second degree burns. I had no job, so no health insurance so I literally treated myself at home instead of going to the hospital because I knew I couldn’t afford it. This video really made me want to move out of the US.
Sadly, those are pretty expensive as well. 😖 Fortunately (?), it's only "buy a decent used car" expensive, not "buy a decent small house in many markets" expensive...
@@leahdavis9434 depends on the funeral. And how you decided to take care of the body. Burial can be anywhere from $20,000 to $50,000 and cremation is typically around $15,000. There are tons of fees and extras. It's so preditory that my sister bout me without my permission a glass necklace of my grandpa's ashes.
my 2 lads have both had double transplants, many many hours of other surgeries, weeks in intensive care and months in hospital and thanks to the NHS it cost us nothing!! we can't thank ALL the medical staff enough 💙
I will never stop enjoying Evan’s utter shock at how “cheap” the costs of NHS procedures/drugs/surgeries are. Or his disbelief at how generous the NHS is. Though it’s no wonder considering the US charges you to touch your baby for the 1st time (omg).
As an audiologist, I would like to clarify that the audiology fee in the birth cost is for newborn hearing screening, not listening to mum and bus’s heart. Note that in Australia where I work, this screen, and any further testing if there is a hearing loss, and any associated costs for hearing aids, are completely free.
I lost my insurance a week before I needed an emergency gall bladder removal. My hospital bill was $48,000, which did not include the anesthesiologist or surgeon, or the follow-up care. I despise the US “healthcare” system. It’s despicable. I don’t expect anything for free. I just want the system to make sense and be reasonable and fair.
The hospital is forced to give away care for free due to EMTALA. They swear that the high costs are to offset that. However, the nonprofit large organization around me spend tens of millions of dollars a year to have their names on the local football teams. Odd, isn’t it?
I had my gall bladder removed last october, with everything from emergency room visit to doctors visits, surgery with all that comes with that and removal of staples afterwards I paid 1100 swedish kronor. That's about 127 USD. $48,000 is absolute madness! I really do hope that your system can be fixed, no one should risk going bankrupt to get the treatment they need :(
That is insane. I had emergency gall bladder removal about 18 months ago, which included 6 nights in hospital. I can’t even imagine having that much debt as a result of essential surgery! I didn’t even pay for the antibiotics or pain relief I took home, as anything they send you home with from the hospital is not charged for!
I live in Aus. I had my gall bladder removed in 2019. It wasn't urgent so I went through private healthcare and I payed $250 as a premium. If it was urgent I would have payed $0
This happened to me as well. I was working as a tips-only server at the time while going to university full time and taking care of my three year old daughter. They quoted me 30k for the procedure, which also didn't include the anesthesiologist or surgeon or pre/post op appointments. Sad, isn't it?
I'm a Swede, and I "had to" get an AKG. Called at 8 in the morning, got an oppointment at 11. Went there, the nurde did the EKG, then a doctor had a little chat and a general check-up, did some blood tests and then I went home. Total cost for me? 10 bucks.
Me as a scientist: a box of PBS (lab equivalent of saline), probably £50 or less. And we’re paying for the brand labelling! So the US is so ripped off!
a bag of saline in the up costs 75 pence. Cost price in US is one dollar, or 2 dollars for the branded version! How are they charging the customer so much?!!
@@emilygee3122 They claim part of it is dispensing it-hooking up an IV. I get dehydrated easily and sometimes get migraines and they just give me one or two bags. I'm in Canada so I never see a bill. Yes it's paid by taxes but everyone is treated equally.......
In Denmark where I’m from, unless you go private, everything is free… You pay for it through tax, but all together you never have to worry about the bill after a trip to the hospital
i've tried explaining that to someone in germany, that you do pay for medical care through your taxes. In a way i wish we had that in america. we do have whats called medicade or medicare and we pay about as much as you do through payroll taxes, but its very very hard to get on it.
@@deinnydoes5356 hmm.. this effects if you live or not..so it is definately a human right. If there is a large amount of people disagreeing with the high prices, I would think arguing about if it's a right or not is pointless. Its already something a mass amount of citizens are asking for.
"Forcing people to become doctors and treat patients is slave labor and making someone else a slave to ensure your 'human rights' is reprehensible. What about the doctor's human rights?" I have gotten that response multiple times from people when I bring up governmnet funded healthcare. That being said, it is a minority of people who are crazy like that (and probably either foreign agents trying to stir up shit online, or those who have been duped by them). The USA has an actually decent health care system for retirees and the elderly (its basically government run insurance that charges based on a sliding scale). Over 70% of American citizens support removing the age restriction and making it available to everyone. Exactly 2 federally elected politicans openly and enthusiastically support that position. The real problem in America is that our politicians have learned that they can change the topic of conversation every few years and we will give up fighting for before we can make any headway.
@@justincenter4061 the worst part of slavery was the ill affected and it been non consensual. People who choose to be drs get paid and supported so it cant be compared. If the elderly who paid their taxes are been cared for, what change does doing that for everyone affect? Drs are paid, people are irrefutable helped so they live better lives and less money is squandered to help the economy. I think the strangest thing is how this is brought into politics with only 2 people fighting for a major impact that every single person from a newborn baby is affected by. Politics isnt for things like this since its not a fighting issue. If they were arguing about the tax rates that would make some sense.
@@jwb52z9 thats a good point. But this is still a point that can be fixed through spreading knowledge. the pros outweigh the cons of paying a small price if you even need to in taxes. I know that those who are living with families can be helped this way with childcare. I know i actually recieved some cash back from making more donations and medical refunds (glasses and dentistry) through my taxes while working a fulltime job. Everything else like healthcare is covered from a small amount. Which is hundreds and for the states, id say thousands of dollars. Learning something new everyday is possible for everyone, if this can fix the cost of medicine i think spreading info would have massive effects.
German here, we have a private healthcare system besides the public one. Was privately insured for about 8 years being self-employed. My monthly fee was 450€ with a co-pay of 1000€ max per year. If I had bills below that threshold within a year, I paid them out of pocket and got two monthly fees back in return, so effectively my co-pay was 100€.PER YEAR. Now the interesting part: You get the bill from your doctors sent to your home, this way you see how much a treatment does really cost. Example: I had a little 'knob' (felt like a pebble about 5mm under the skin) right beneath my chin that could be removed through ambulant surgery by a specialist. The first visit, the ambulant surgery (three stitches) and the lab test of the tissue (just to make sure it was not harmful) added up to 240€. After this video I am sure in the US the bill would easily be 10k or higher.
Nah. A couple hundred, even without insurance. I had a mole removed for cosmetic reasons by a plastic surgeon in NJ (not covered by insurance for obvious reasons). It cost about 300.
You know what I find interesting, I’m a family practice doctor I’m the US and just finished residency and I would need a hospital bill for reference to know what things cost. We barely touch on cost of things in America as doctors. It’s not taught which is crazy. The NHS doc just knows all the costs of things off the top of his head.
Doctors are aware of costs because the NHS has an internal market system. He’s probably looking at a career involved in the hospital business planning and then become a healthcare commissioner or a family clinic share holder. If you are Family Clinic share holder or we call GP Partner, you get a share of the profits made. The way they profit is by injecting innovation, buying their supplies well, getting rewarded (meeting best practice incentives) for not receiving patient complaints, and using their practice to maximum use like entering into a cooperative with other clinics by sharing the cost of sauna chiropractor or a nutritionist (professionals who would be going from one village to another using the doctors clinic to maximise their hours when theirs low demand in just one area).
I work for a bunch of doctors as the manager of revenue cycle management. Basically my team and I work your claims for you. Anyway, you're 100% right, they teach absolutely nothing about billing, credentialing, etc in the US to the doctors. I have so many doctors that don't know a lick about it and it's sad because they lose out on so much money.
The thing is, the hospitals still have to pay to build the multi storey. Which costs a lot. And they need to find that money somewhere, and it shouldn’t come out of patient care. And at some of the hospitals I worked at, people used the hospital car park to go shopping as it was the cheapest car park in town. So the actual sick people and staff couldn’t park for people shopping. 😡
@@andiematrix9082 Very often, yes. Because then the hospital doesn’t have to find millions to build a car park. Get someone else to take the initial cost and make the money back. It’s just a better way to use what little money they have.
Thank goodness I’m Canadian where we care for each other by spreading the health care costs out through the taxation system. Eight hours of cancer surgery, stay in intensive care, ambulance ride, recovery and home care…total out of pocket to me zero. We don’t quite have fully covered prescription drug costs yet but it’s coming. It’s called a compassionate society.
I live in the US! One of my medications is name brand only here and is $1600 a month without insurance, and about $60 a month with insurance (after my doctor does some stuff with insurance), but I can get 100 pills (roughly 3 months worth) from Canada for basically a dollar a pill! Worlds better than my current situation!! Anything’s better than the US’ crazy pricing for medications and stuff!
Just to clarify that ambulances are not usually covered and some provinces charge multiple hundreds of dollars. Some provinces have a fixed rate that is affordable so it’s not a deterrent to call the ambulance.
@@amyseaden9069 in Ontario at least transfers between hospitals are at no cost to patients and the last time I had to take a senior from a retirement home to hospital I think it was $25. And at that, since it wasn’t an emergency, the driver took a slightly longer route as it was less bumpy for the patient.
@@qwincyq6412 Yes if the hospital requests the transfer it is free. Ambulances cost $45 in Ontario if deemed medically necessary and $225 if not. Not all provinces are so inexpensive.
Skin-on-skin contact costing money is the most insane concept I have ever heard of
Because thats what they arent charging for other things they would charge if they didnt let you hold it.
It is evil. Positively evil.
It’s probably consulation, not just a hand shake
@@ss-pw4zjdidn’t know people shook hands with their baby after it comes out like «good job bruh, welcome to the world». 😂😂
So what happens if you can't pay for it? Do they not allow you to hold your baby?
As someone in the Uk I believe that we should receive a bill after treatment but that is zero’d off at the end, just so people really know how much they’ve “saved” by having the NHS.
I agree with this
That's a good idea
Can't you check online? I know we have "free healthcare" in Hungary, so I paid via my taxes. But on the national health insurance website I could check every single health related spending under my name ever, even back in 2000. It had everything from GP visits to subsidized drugs and specialist visits.
I lived in the UK a bit, but I tried to cut all my ties there since, so I can't check anymore if NHS has something like that.
I do have my full NHS history with me, but I'm too lazy to check now if it has costs.
100% it may stop some people taking advantage?
@@petergilmartin2906 but you don't see an itemised bill
My mom got breast cancer and went bankrupt from all the hospital bills…. Having to go bankrupt just to not die is disgusting.
I don't understand why the people accept all this.
@@slavianalbanovich9025 because the average american doesn't understand that our system is different from other countries. here in the usa nobody talks or thinks about anywhere else but here
@@karlee462 but here.. ?
@@slavianalbanovich9025 She means that very few people in the US think much about other countries besides the US, much less travel to another country (only about 1/3 of us have a valid passport). We get very few news reports about things that happen in other parts of the world unless the US has something to do with it.
@@Januaryschild sure, but today the world has changed and thanks to the internet it is possible to communicate with other people from all over the world. Americans, at least the young ones, will have to ask themselves why the whole world is horrified at the thought of American healthcare.
As a nurse in the UK, im sure ill be paid more working the US, but i would rather stay in the NHS because it is such a huge honor to work for a health system that gives people so much comfort financially and do not burden them with having their health and medical needs taken care of. Such a huge honor! Like its just the humanly thing to do with your citizens tbh
what about now? 🤣🤣🤣
Whatever is free is not always good. Europe has a much better healthcare system which is also not expensive as in the US. I am a doctor working in the NHS and I am EMBARRASSED that I joined this idiotic system that provides AVERAGE training for their doctors with ridiculous salaries and very poor quality of care for their patients.
No there is no guarantee that you'd get paid more here in the states. In fact most nurses are quitting cuz the conditions are so poor and not enough for the pay. Stay where you are it's most likely better there. We currently have a massive nurse shortage. 😏 teacher shortage too!
@@ariabm44 huh that's a really interesting perspective. Which system would you say works the best out of the modernly developed countries that have more developed medical technology? Cuz it seems to me that there are issues in each system. And not small ones either.
@@caitlynlawrence8502 yes I agree that all systems have issues. Personally I have worked both in central Europe and NHS. Now you don't always need advanced technology to provide care when you have a system (NHS ) that due to cost effectiveness treats you with guidelines and medication that people in Europe have abandoned 20 years ago. In UK you might be able to help people with very rare or chronic diseases requiring modern technology in medicine but if you have something simple you suffer. Unfortunately when non medical people like managers step into a healthcare system this is what happens. Managers should be people coming from a healthcare profession that they are able to understand the nature of the job. Not some random tesco managers that's stepped in taking also double the salary of a front line worker.
The only thing I don't understand about the American health care system is why Americans put up with it.
“Cause at least it’s not communist!!1”
@@evan yeah, they're haunted by the spectre of socialism. 😨
This implies that Americans have a choice...
@@torianderson6982 individually, no.
@@evan Very funny and sarcastic response Evan 😂
Communism is not the same as universal healthcare. You can still have some capitalism and universal healthcare like European countries
So I’ve experienced both American medical and NHS. Here is my comparison:
in America, I once passed out from some bad period cramps at work. I worked LITERALLY across the street from the hospital. My boss called 911, had me taken to the ER, where I woke up and was given one disposable heat pad and released. Total due: $1,780. Over $900 of that was for the ambulance ride… of about 25 feet.
In England, I got an eye infection. I went to A&E in Morden, and while I DID have to wait for quite a while, when I was finally taken back, the doctor came right in, checked me out, and then left and immediately returned with a tube of antibiotic gel for me to take home. I wasn’t covered by the NHS yet, so I agreed to pay cash for services and medicine. £7 total.
Yes the American health care system sucks and is broken. The damned insurance companies run it not the doctors. Doctors get frustrated when insurance companies decide what care they can give not what care they feel the patients need. A woman barley gets 24 hours of care after giving birth. Insurance companies are constantly fighting not to pay bills even though you pay to have insurance. I have insurance, 4,000 deductable. Might just as well not have it. Disgusting. I would rather wait a little longer and get better and affordable care and not lose my house cause I got real sick!
Wow! First of all - what a robbery the situation in the US is. Second of all - I'm so sorry to hear someone can actually pass out from period cramps. 😳
@@Vikinggirl1679 while I somewhat agree, my mother was a medical malpractice claims insurance adjuster. Basically decided how much the insurance companies (that insured the doctors) could pay out, or if fighting the charge in court was worth the legal costs. Part of the issue is the legal system. So many people sue doctors when the outcome of their treatment isnt perfect, which is rarely the doctor’s fault. So part of the high price is to cover doctor’s insurance against civil suits, which cost money no matter how frivolous.
@@kivzzzz One of the queens of England had the same issue (it’s called dysmenorrhea). She used cannabis as treatment. Before we had legal weed, I just passed out from the pain. Now I self medicate.
@@thefreedommovementsorry but baloney! Don't believe that for a second! Greed greed greed and me me me is all this country is now. Especially those at the top. 4 years of a false orange blob presidency have exemplified that.
My friend recently had a heart transplant here in Australia. It cost him nothing. And I’m totally thrilled my taxes helped towards it.
You are so right! I don't think that people in the US get the idea of caring for your friends, family and fellow man. They also don't understand the freedom that comes from not having to worry about the cost of medical conditions/emergencies. My son was hospitalized 7 times with asthma before he was two years old. I never once had to think about the cost of treatment.
I had stemcell transplant in Germany, of course for free. I was told the coasts for all of it would be arround 250.000€. Can't even imagine how much it would be in the US..
@@runningwild.flowerxoxo6296 stem cell transplant for what exactly, if you mind me asking pls?
@@vinlondon8904 of course not! :) I had a chronic disease called Neutropenia that stopped my immune system from fully developing. After an incident that brought me to the icu doctors said we can't take the risk for that to happen again, so we decided for chemo and SCT
@@runningwild.flowerxoxo6296 thank you for letting me know.
The craziest thing about American healthcare wasn't even listed here. It's the fact that your insurance company can deny coverage for something your doctor recommends. Like, if your doctor recommends a procedure or a certain medication, your insurance company can say "no, we don't think you need that". My doctor and I have been struggling to get prescriptions approved for over a year now. She's tried several different medications, and the insurance company doesn't like anything. Bear in mind that without insurance, some of these prescriptions are over $100/month. One was $500/month. So it really limits your medical care based on your health insurance's decisions.
my wifes sisters daughter was in the US navy and had something happen to her which needed surgery. It became bothersome since the hospital (she was a civilian then) did not want to work with US navy insurance!! Fortunately she lived in Phoenix AZ, and so did (at the time) senator John McCain definitely a navy man. He was contacted and intervened - she got her operation. Shame on the hospital!!!
i forgot they can deny shit thats crazy
How people think USA is better than Europe is beyond me. Not saying is a shithole, not at all. But we are decades ahead from them
evil
If its drug you need cant you get them from a Canadian or indian pharmacy? They are 1000x cheaper
I swear if Americans found a way to privatise the oxygen in the air and sell it at a profit they probably would.
The lorax o’hare😂
I mean that already exists with regards to oxygen canisters and delivery.
don't give them any ideas. :P
PLease! Don't give them any more ideas!
I would not be surprised. Here, you have to pay for just about everything you get, and have to pay much higher amounts for it than in other countries.
Immediately clicked, I am a us health care economics reporter who stayed in London for a month to report on the differences. This video was made for me. My medication is $7,800 per month in the US and 8£ on the NHS
I think it's £9, now. What a rip off 😂
That’s because America is corrupt as shit. If only Medicare could negotiate prescription drug prices with pharmaceutical companies we would have the same prices as the UK.
People don’t realise that Scotland get free prescription aswell as the nhs!
@@emmaw_5719 it's free in England for children, OAPs and those whose life depends on the meds. However, what right-minded person would begrudge a few quid to help the NHS? I prefer to pay. It's the least we can do.
Living in the “greatest country in the world” suddenly feels like a lie doesn’t it???
I love how you're not just saying 'everything in the UK is free', you're actually giving an idea of how much these procedures cost the NHS...makes me feel even more grateful that we get so much paid for, when you're not on huge amounts of money it's a huge burden off your shoulders 💙
I’d be happy to pay what the nhs pays over what we pay. Still significantly cheaper.
It isn't actually free. You pay National Insurance off your earnings here in the U.K.
@@QE2Glasgow ok, it's free at the point of delivery ;) and NI is a relatively small amount compared to say, what I paid for health insurance as a freelancer in Germany (if you have an employer they pay a fair bit of it), or what an American would pay if they had a medical emergency, like the example he gives of the MI and two heart stents.
@@QE2Glasgow the cheapest insurance I could find over here.. $400/month. And still has a copay and doesnt cover everything
@@QE2Glasgow yes we know. When we say free we mean free at point of delivery
A few years ago, I had some medical issues. I spent 3 weeks in hospital. I was in a coma for 6 days. Had a CT scan, an MRI, chest xray, EKG, IV, medications, meals, consultations with 3 specialists, blood tests. Since discharge, I've seen two more specialists, I see my family doctor every 2 months for follow-up. I see the specialist for follow up every year. I have routine testing to monitor my health. I'm due for another CT scan soon. I'm Canadian. I didn't get a bill for any of it.
Americans love to sneer about how "it's not free, your taxes pay for it!", as if we don't know that. Well, I was a doctor before I retired. The taxes I paid over the course of my working life MIGHT have covered that, but I doubt it. Also, I don't have to worry that some insurance company is going to disallow my claim after the fact, or that my coverage will run out. Sorry, Americans, but, bad as our system is, it's better than yours. I was courted by American head hunting firms when I was in practice. Turned them all down. It would go against my personal ethics to work under the American system. I can't imagine qlworking in an ER, not being able to resuscitate someone with a cardiac arrest, and handing their gelrieving family a dead body and a bill for thousands of dollars. I honestly think that's evil.
That taxes argument is just stupid. Yes some part of my taxes is going to healthcare, but when I or someone in my family have a medical emergency we don't need to pay thousands or tens of thousands of dollars out of pocket.
Just in recent years my family members had several big surgeries and it cost us nothing. Including an open heart surgery.
I live in Russia btw
WHAT!!!!!!
@@lorettatayor5840 Which point confuses you?
@@wfcoaker1398Being american lol, the medical costs sounds horrifying honestly.
@@Khagrimnot to mention if you had a operation, it isn’t going to raise your taxes to cover it… your tax is just tax that your gov uses for whatever it is responsible for. Your tax specifically might not even go to health care, it might go to defense or in the UK’s case benefit funds and so on…
The irony is with the US is that they wanted to be free from the British Empire and their taxes so they rebelled and became independent… now look at them taxing their citizens home and abroad with gigantic tax bills AND forcing them to pay up to 6+ figure bills just to exist and breathe
I can’t ever wrap my head around the fact that life saving medication isn’t free in the US… like a diabetic person has to pay for insulin!! WHAT?
Well, people pay for pads too to deal with periods 🙄 (which are a necessity for everyone who has them)
@@lesliejohnson827 true, I believe they should be free too!! But it must be difficult since it isn’t a one size fits all solution and people have preferences that they probably wouldn’t cater to if they made them free, they’d just mass produce one size and shape of pad to make production as cheap as possible. Also I can see people (wrongly) arguing that you won’t necessarily die if you don’t wear pads or tampons etc. It should absolutely be free but there is defo obstacles, I mean governments being majority male is the first one 😂
@@lesliejohnson827 A bit of a flippant answer really :( Having a period is not a life threatening situation. My daughter not having her insulin, she would be dead within a few days. We pay thousands every year to keep her alive in the USA. In the UK the thyroxin that both my sister and father take to keep them alive is free. Just food for thought.
A need ensures a higher payment than a want, especially if it means life or death.
@@michaelsmith7425 agreed, but neither are a choice and neither can really be cured so ideally they’d both be free. In the U.K. obviously insulin is free and some supermarkets have taken the tax off period products but we’re still working on making them free- it’s something that the U.K. is much more likely to implement than the US
this is very surreal
I hope you're doing well and covid isn't being too awful for you.
I cant believe I sat through this whole video thinking "who is this guy" to then find out he's YOUR BROTHER!?!?!?!
Evening oodles!
Isn't it just?
@@abbey4750 Dodie is American? With that accent? Not a chance
I live in Australia, we have Medicare. Similar to NHS. Years back I had an ectopic pregnancy. Was admitted as an emergency - had blood tests, 2 types of ultrasound, x-rays, surgery, a tube removed then had to stay 4 nights in hospital. When I left there was no bill. All covered by Medicare. That's what a good health system looks like. NHS is great also. America is broken.
N. America is PURE HELL for everyone.
So but how often do ppl sue drs in Australia? How much do drs have to pay for malpractice insurance? Here in America most drs have to get astronomical malpractice insurance. Anesthesiologists have it the worst. Those costs have to get factored in as well.
@@caitlynlawrence8502 Obstetricians in the public system here in Australia are covered. It's only obstetric services in the private sector which have to be insured. There are no obstetricians in the private hospitals any longer.
@@zapkvr so only pain management is covered for birth? Anesthesiologists do more here in the states than just labor epidurals. Here anything to do with getting injected pain meds are quite expensive. My sister had to pay for years for just the epidural portion of her labor. One of my old acquaintances was an Anesthesiologist and they had to have their own malpractice insurance not covered by the hospital that was just an insane amount. He had to have like at least 10 mil on coverage so his monthly payment for the insurance was super high.
@@josefinigo7100 the USA, Canada and Mexico have social medicine
It took my mom 5 years of dealing with our insurance to get them to pay for my $47,000 appendectomy when I was 6 years old. They refused to pay for it because it wasn't a "scheduled operation" as if you're going to wait around when your kid is screaming in the middle of the night. It took away a lot of my childhood because as a single mom she was already struggling and having a 47k bill hovering over you affecting your credit doesn't help with your stress levels. It's disgusting how many people have to suffer because the medical system here leaves you bankrupt.
wow that's terrible. Its like business first, compassion... well, somewhere down the line. In the UK, paying through our taxes (its roughly 8% of your income, but can vary on your tax rate, etc) its for everyone and anyone, everyone is treated equally and its about care for every citizen, without any financial burden. I know in the US anything centralised is seen as socialist or communist 😂 the UK is actually quite far from both and is essentially a capitalized country and has been for about 400 years. BUT... you can have a balance. You can have free trade, democracy, etc. AND have socialist type elements, like healthcare (defence/military, our criminal justice system is completely non-political as well and separate from the elected government. No one is above the law, etc., certain things that are just well, common sense). Hope things change for you in the US.
47 thousand 😮😮😮😮.
I paid about 16 dollars for staying two nights after an appendectomy 15 years ago. The surgery was free, it was staying overnight that costed a few dollars.
Heart surgery, 12 dollars for staying the night and zero for the surgery.
This was/is in Sweden.
Sometimes I think this country is going to the dogs (and in many ways it is) but then whenever I do any comparisons with the US, I suddely feel extremely grateful to be living here! That "skin on skin contact ($40) really summed it up for me....it seems there is literally NOTHING (including holding your own baby) that corporations in the US won't put a price on. It all pretty sick really.
They really do own us😒
They got to get rid of the corporations owning politics/politicians. There is no government that can take care of it's people. It seems to me everybody is owned by corporate America. It is a difficult situation America is in right now. The political and economical division amongst the people is so big, the only ones who are truly profiting are the corporations , holding everybody hostage at gunpoint allmost, for the allmighty dollar. Charging $40,-, for a mother holding her baby just after being born? Charging EVERYTHING to the max!! CRAZY...
Keep the Tories away. The Republicans helped this along her in the US.
The saline really did it for me lol. Its just salt water for Christ's sake
America IS the "Dogs" we are going to.....
This is very good because the doctor is stating how much the procedure actually costs the hospital, so you can see the vast profiteering that goes on in US hospitals.
But it's not just profiteering, it's extravagant rampant wide-scale theft, and insurance fraud, deception, corporate fraud, bank fraud, tax fraud, consumer fraud, trade descriptions violations and service description violations and a whole pile of other things.
Literally, if you as a civilian were to try to pull this shit, you'd be facing both criminal and civil proceedings.
But they are rich and protected and the American justice system is fucked, it will jail a poor person for jumping a turn style but let a President off for defrauding a charity for millions, and you can get a full life sentence cuffed in the back of a police car because your buddy gets shot by the police running away.
Which is why you refuse to pay them. You won't face civil proceedings, there are too many people that can't afford to pay. The hospital can't afford lawyers to sue everyone. It's much cheaper for them to accept a tiny settlement or just write it off.
@@themoviedealers That ruins credit. When your credit is bad, it's hard to even rent apartments. Employers check credit and don't prefer to hire people with low scores. Bad credit leads to expensive loans, and in most places people must have a car to live (public transport is bad). If you have a big debt they just go to the court and garnish your wages. I work with several people who just have money taken directly from their paycheck before they even see it because of debt garnishment. Bankruptcy would be the only way to stop that but that still has all of the limitations from bad credit.
@The Unknown I'm sorry about that. It's a worry for people in less urban areas. Mediocre, expensive hospitals. I just happened to end up needing 3 surgeries this year for Ulcerative Colitis, and to live within an hour of a top hospital for that (Cleveland Clinic). Been roomed up with several people getting previous surgeries fixed done by mediocre but still extortionately expensive hospitals. To afford hospitals you have to either be impoverished and on Medicaid or have corporate insurance. I daren't lose my job or the bills would bankrupt me. Imagine that, but with a bad hospital? It's truly awful. If they mess you up they shouldn't get paid.
@@themoviedealers A friend of mine's wife had a baby a few years back. There were lots of complications and it ended up costing well over a million dollars. He set up a "payment plan" and is "paying it off" $5 a month.
It's insane to think that a simple treatment in the US could be the equivalent of a house downpayment in the UK...
It's a house down-payment here, too. That's why so many people don't have homes, and avoid going to the doctor. We can't afford it.
This is why I haven't been to a DR in almost 3 years. Last time I went was because I broke all 4 of my small toes on one foot. So it couldn't be avoided.... im pretty sure I have some major health issues. I've had headaches at least 2times a week for years and I have major stomach issues regularly. But it doesn't seem like I'm going to die from it... pretty sure. So its not worth the cost. I can barely afford rent can't be worrying about my heath.
How can people live like this?
@@scotthullinger4684 Actually the base cost for services and medication is considerably different. Even in the UK which has the NHS, you still have to pay for medication and prescriptions in certain parts of the UK. If you look up the price of an epipen say, the base cost is considerably different (costs around £45 per pen or £90 for 2 OR £8.80 with NHS prescription charge) when in the US it is $650. Obviously, you have to take in the cost of living and wage difference however the US just has the price inflated for further profit margins not because of the actual cost of manufacturing.
@@scotthullinger4684 Never did I say the NHS system could work in the US and would resolve problems, I didn't even highlight 'problems'. YOU brought up how it costs the same everywhere, which it does not and I simply expressed that and then YOU started spewing about capitalism and socialism. My initial comment was simply expressing how insane it is that a simple treatment in the US is the equivalent of a down payment in the UK. Nothing more, nothing less. It sounds as though you are trying to have a debate with yourself here and getting a little too carried away while you're at it.
I absolutely busted up laughing when you said it was the Ryan Air of Healthcare. That’s the best description of the US healthcare system I’ve ever heard.
Pity it's not correct
Americans: "Nothing is free, you're still paying for it in your taxes!"
Me: "Yeah, but because *everyone* is paying for it in their taxes, you're each paying *a shit-ton less* for it. That's how division works, genius."
And then they reply that you're paying for other people, hence COMMUNISM!! 🙄
@@grayhalf1854 "If I do it myself, it's charity and wonderful, but if the law makes me do it, it's communism and evil!"
"So you'll donate to charities that pay people's medical bills?"
"Psh, of course not, it's my hard-earned money!"
@@IceMetalPunk But they do, with every single item they purchase. They just like to pay it twice.
@@pigs18 "But they do" -- who does what? I'm not sure which part of my comment or my other reply you're... well, replying to.
@@pigs18 "Insurance is factored into the cost of all goods and services sold in the US"? Um... can you please explain that a bit more to me? If I buy an apple, what part of that cost exactly is going towards what kind of insurance?
I wash up in a pub and get £11 per hour…. Junior doctors are caring for us and saving lives, not washing pans and they get a£1.50 more
Does not make sense. Rebecca xx
Doctors should defo get paid way more, but £11/hr washing up in a pub?? That's very good money lmao, trying to get a part-time pub job at the min and struggling to find jobs that are more than minimum wage (which for me at 20 years old is £6.56/hr)
I work in a pub for £6.60 an hour. You’re deffo making good money in your pub
@@zoelundy5561 what is the minimum wage in the UK that seems kind of low like US minimum wage low.
I work for the NHS in a blood sciences lab running urgent and routine blood tests and I only make £9.20 an hour 😅
@@zoelundy5561 Yeah, thats illegal. Unless you are under 18 you need to be payed more.
Welcome back to a man who is increasingly more relived that he is now a British citizen.
He still needs to pay America's taxes, though.
@@SeanoHermano no, as long as he has US citizenship, he must pay taxes and file Tax returns, even if he is living permanently abroad. it's stupid.
@@solared No, it's actually a very clever way to make lots money off of people, who don't live in the US, and the US government doesn't do anything for them since they don't live in the US. Very clever, and immoral, and unfair, but that's basically what 'Murica is build on.
@@solared Wow, that is messed up. What if he never pays? What would the US do to him? Would they ban him from the US? Or perhaps extradite him?
@@solared He is a British citizen now
I'm an Aussie. During my pregnancy and birth of my son, including my 1 week stay in hospital, it cost me ZERO dollars. I had an epidural and a water birth was my original plan. After returning home from hospital, I had a nurse come to my home to do a check up....again, free because of our national health care system. America is no dream lol
I grew up in the US but now I live in NZ and what Evan said about not going to the doctor unless you’re in a dire emergency because of fearing the cost is something that is hardwired into me despite the fact that NZ healthcare is free or extremely low cost
Yep--lucky us...... dental care for adults is another question, unfortunately.
Free? Healthcare isn’t usually free In New Zealand. It’s only free if you’re in an accident, if you’re sick then you have to pay for it yourself. My mum had to get a few surgeries a couple years ago and luckily it was all covered by our insurance otherwise we would of had to pay like $20,000. It’s cheaper than America but still tons of money.
@@rachelcookie321 ive had two seizures, broken bones, suicide attempt and a brest reduction surgery every single thing was free, the only thing i paid for was the prescriptions and ambulance for my seizures which cost 90 each from st johns.
@@rachelcookie321 assuming NZ is like aus, you likely went to a private hospital that was in partnership with your private insurance. if you went to a government hospital, it would have been free.
@@rachelcookie321 ? My brother got really sick and we didn’t pay a cent. My friends have also had many surgeries and haven’t paid anything. Did you go private ??
The NHS staff saved mine and my unborn baby's life in January. I had covid and ended up in ICU. I was at deaths door and may had never met my little boy. Thank you NHS. You are my guardian angels xxx
I hope you and your baby are ok. I'm due this June and I'm terrified even though this is my second child.
@@ShammaAzmi bless you. My one regret is I wish I'd listened to my instincts, I was working up until 8 months pregnant in a GP practice so still had contact with people. This was also before the vaccination programme progressed to pregnant people. So it was even more risky. This was my second too. Just do what feels right, and look after yourself as much as possible x
@@ShammaAzmi also, my little boy is great, he turns one next week 💙 thank you x
Congratulations! I hope all is well for you!
Hope you are good and healthy now. And congratulations for your baby boy
Stay safe stay healthy
There was this thing years ago, someone explained a hip replacement cost in the US was $41,000 at the time and it was explained that you could fly and move to spain, live there for 2 years, have two hip replacement surgeries and fly back to the US for less. US medical is not for the people, its a business built for profit.
Exactly! It's totally a business.
I'm an EU citizen living in the UK. I happen to work in the NHS, which I love despite the terrible pay.
I have 2 children. My first birth was very complicated and traumatic. I'm guessing it cost them loads just to keep me alive, let alone patching me up after it. I was in hospital for over a week, had to have surgery, was intubated, etc. Second birth, I chose to have a cesarean because emotionally and mentally I couldn't go through the same thing again. It was straight forward, some hemorrhage but as I had had a massive one with my first, they knew it could happen and were ready for it. I spent 3 days in. Easier recovery this time and my guess is that it cost roughly the same. I'm thankful I could chose and that I didn't have to be in debt to have my babies.
I love working in the NHS. When I'm at work I give my all to my patients. That's how I want to be treated so I make sure my patients know I care and will do my best for them. That's what everyone deserves. A little bit more pay is needed but we are definitely not working in the NHS for the pay 🩵
I have heard from a couple of people whose close friends in the states (I’m Canadian) that they chose NOT to be treated for cancer even though there was a pretty high cure rate, due to the extreme cost. I think the for profit system in the US is tragic.
The scary part is you have no idea what the treatment will cost when you start it. Last year, I had to go to the hospital for blood clots in my lungs. Once they told me what I had, I had no choice but to have it treated then or there was a high possibility that I would throw another clot and die. When I was admitted, I couldn’t say what my end total would be. Luckily, I have pretty good health insurance, so I felt it was something I could handle. I ended up paying $2,000 out of pocket. I shudder to think what may have happened to me if I didn’t have insurance, since my presenting symptoms didn’t seem that bad to me. Maybe I would just blow them off for fear of getting a $50,000 bill.
The cost, I believe, would go down significantly if hospitals were forced to be honest about how much each treatment costs. If someone is able to shop around for the best price then that forces the hospitals to compete, which would lower the price. I don't mind paying for my medical bills, but I can't stand calling around only to be told how they don't know how much having a baby at their hospital will cost, and can't give me even a range of prices. Same with urgent care clinics and most doctors offices.
That's why the US is the only developed country that had a decreasing life expectancy even before Covid.
@@justdefacts Well there is also the obesity and drug abuse, diabetes, smoking, alcoholism etc.
And yet 300 million people accept it as inevitable!
Had an illuminating chat with a taxi driver when I was in England in 2019. The issue of privatizing healthcare was hot and he wanted to know what two Americans thought. I broke down just how much my work provided healthcare cost me per month plus the deductible plus the surprise bill plus the lack of control in keeping any part of your healthcare service ‘in network’ plus your tied to your job or loss your healthcare making it harder to move job. Just dear god, if you have nationalized healthcare, hold onto it for dear life. I mean, right now I’m in the middle of a fight between my insurance company and the largest healthcare provider in the state, both writing me letters asking me to tell the other company to play ball with them like we’re in fucking elementary school. It’s ridiculous and potentially catastrophic to life and finances. Why would you willingly trade what you have for this?
@@Colourmad314 *companies*
@@Colourmad314 We have legal bribery of our politicians here in the land of the free so the odds of actual people changing anything at this point are slim to none
You also pay more in taxes towards healthcare than people in the uk. 25% compared to 22.8%. Because you still pay medicare for old people. At astronomical prices.
@@lilbaz8073 a friend of mine in Canada went to work in the United States for a year. He did not tell me his tax rate, but let say it was 40% in Canada; those taxes include health care. For the same salary in the United States, his taxes were 20% and his medical insurance was 20%. That means he paid the same in both countries... except that in the United States there are also deductible, copay, out-of-network fees. While the tax rate is lower in the United States, the overall cost is higher there.
@@ghyslainabel think you may have misundertood the point i was making. Of all taxes collected by the fed in america (corporation tax, income tax etc...). 25% are spent on helthcare. While it is 22.8% of all taxes paid to the government in the uk.
Yet the uk is mostly free, while americans still have to pay insurance, deductables etc...
It is a con.
I recently gave birth in Finland and the total cost (yeah we do actually have to pay some ourselves) ended up at around 300€. This included everything, from our 2 night stay for me and my husband, to the emergency c-section etc. Super happy to be living in Europe whenever I need health care.
@@peternicol9355 No it isn't. The idea that the NHS is the best healthcare in the world is nonsense. Even if we ignore the disgusting dereliction of duty and the manipulation by the NHS currently, many European countries provide a much better service
Congrats on the baby! I heard that the state gives you a box with baby stuff, is it true?
@@janak.1449 in Scotland you get a baby box with items that can double as a Moses basket.
@@peternicol9355 We don't travel to the UK for healthcare. That is why. Unless you're talking about healthcare in the private sector. That is pretty much the only thing the UK has going for it. And thanks to Brexit and the Tories being in power, it won't take long at all before private healthcare in the UK starts to reach US prices and the NHS covers less and less critical care.
Ditch your exceptionalism. The UK isn't special.
@@peternicol9355 Don't make me laugh. The UK is currently collapsing and Ireland has clearly demonstrated that England is doing worse in terms of vaccinations. And don't even get me started on that ridiculous "herd immunity" bullshit that greedy lying sacks of shit in leadership positions spouted at the start of the pandemic. It was nothing more than an excuse to make sure the rich kept making money while everyone around them were dropping like flies.
I bankrupted at 19 due to medical bills in the USA. Moved to the UK when I was 29 years old., best thing I ever did. The NHS is amazing!
That is so sad to hear :( Glad you were happier after the move!
Genuinely, I wish the US had a similar health care system to the UK. We'd still complain, but we'd complain less & have a physically healthier population overall. It shouldn't cost a small fortune just to keep yourself alive if you're physically healthy, but have small complications, or have a kid.
...and not having to ever worry about the economic side of falling ill.
@@jarls5890 Yep. My brother's fiance had their son in January & _required_ a C-Section. I'd rather them not to have to pay for that shit.
Wasn't that Obama Care a sort of NHS, that got contested from conception and then completely removed when the next president took power?
@@khwezik3894 No. Obamacare/the ACA was a health care bill that opened up a lot of people to getting health care that couldn't before. It limited how health care companies could drop people with pre-existing conditions & whatever else. It apparently had a universal option if you couldn't afford an insurance company...that was removed before it passed because they wanted to get more Republican support on it. The Trump Administration removed the individual mandate, which I think is for the better because it forced people who couldn't afford insurance to pay a fine, which isn't something people SHOULD be doing, with no benefits to them. Unfortunately, the mandate also removes protecting people with pre-existing conditions from getting dropped from the insurers, bit that's why I think the shit should just be redone anyways.
For sure. No human should ever have to choose not to stay alive because if they got help they would be crippled with debt for the rest of their lives. I'm very grateful to live in the UK and be able to get the help I need when I need it
Being charged for skin to skin contact with something I created within that skin is just adding a slap to a compromised crotch, salt on the wound ,etc etc
Salt in the wound? That'll be 75 bucks!
@@DomingoDeSantaClara A saline bag for that salt? That'll be $700!
And I saw somewhere else here on youtube that women in the USA are automatically put on a drip while in labour.
The whole health service in the USA is about giving you as many medical prodecures as they can charge for, whether or not you really need it.
And apparently end of life care in the USA is just a money racket.
@@rusticpartyeditz I mean I guess the drip is good to have ready incase of having to get drugs in quick.
Just saying as USA has a _wonderfull_ rate in deaths during childbirth.
Edit: Apparently people don't read sarcasm. I'm using heavy sarcasm at the statement of childbirth death rates of women and babies. The reason why I even mentioned it is because women in my country don't go to the hospital fearing of dying while in labour. 😂
@@marialindell9874 Maternal death rate US 14 per 100k. UK 8 per 100k. Child death rate US 6 per 1000, uk 4 per 1000.
Whatever the US is doing, it isn't good.
OK but as a resident of the UK can I just say that a JUNIOR DOCTOR earning £12 an hour is outrageous. Your doctor should be able to afford the average price of a Nando's for FUCK'S sake.
you want to pay more tax to fund that? I would happily do so but that is what would be needed the money has to come from somewhere for pay rises. If the overall NHS budget does not change and you increass pay you have less money for everything else. yet raisng taxes to fund such things dont win votes so it does not happen
@@lordomacron3719 I personally would pay for it by making companies like Amazon actually pay taxes, but if you're asking "If literally the only way to pay NHS workers more would be a tax increase on you, would you still be in favour?" the answer is yes.
@@LynxChan good i wish more would think that way. One point thought the Likes of Amazon DO pay their Taxes perfectly legally that is not the fualt of the companies that is the fault of those who wrote the tax laws that can be exploited in such ways. in the debate about big compaines and tax all i hear is how the company are the ones who should face critisisim and not the politicians who make the tax laws in the first place. they are both responsable
@@lordomacron3719absolutely agree, it's our governments that must be held to account for the loopholes and back doors they install for the benefit of large companies to exploit. Companies will do everything they legally can to keep and grow their money, that is their entire purpose, it's government that has to ensure they pay their fair share, and it's our job to hold politicians who don't to account.
@@lordomacron3719 Not necessarily, a wage increase usually ends up paying for itself. This is because they will have extra money that they can spend on things they want and funnel it back into the economy. When people are struggling they only spend when they have to. "How do we pay for it?" is a redundant question. Especially when the government has spaffed 36 billion pounds on track and trace, spent 12 million on their new conference stage, and Boris spent £900,000 painting a bloody plane! Not to mention the government spends approximately £8000 a minute on nuclear weapons and keeping Trident going.
I lived with an undiagnosed, untreated chronic illness that kept me from attending school consistently when I was in high school. I suffered for almost the entire school year (about 10 months) and only went to the doctor once the school told me my attendance was getting bad enough that I would have to repeat the year if I didn't fix it. My family and I were too worried that I had something seriously wrong with me healthwise and would rather live in blissful ignorance than have to add a ton of medications and doctor visits to our bills. Thankfully it wasn't that bad... It just ended up being one visit and some OTC drugs taken daily.
A few years later, I was in college/university, away from my parents for the first extended period of time. I was having menstrual cramps so bad that I thought my appendix burst... every single month. Sometimes even when I wasn't menstruating. I remember one time where I got a sudden bout of cramps and I was knelt on the school library floor sobbing and cradling myself. It was agony. I've had shingles before and this was worse. I still didn't go to a doctor until many months later because my insurance wasn't taken at the closest doctor offices -- I had to go home from school and take some days off school and go to urgent care to figure it out. I still had to pay close to $100 after insurance coverage for two doctor visits and some more for the lab work.
The USA just clearly prefers people suffer for free rather than get the health care they need. Especially since my family is lower middle class, we couldn't afford to go. It's easier and cheaper to just die.
@@scotthullinger4684this is backwards thinking and entirely self centred. You’re not paying for other people - you’re paying for you when your body starts going wrong. Screw America, third world pretending it’s a first world
Americans get hostile (I’m American, I know) when they see a system that they think is communistic, ignoring the fact that it’s not really about whether or not you pay for medical treatments in the UK-it’s about how grossly overcharged everything is in America. That’s the stark difference. That’s the main issue.
Totally agree.
Reminds me of when I was taking a sociology class in college where we briefly covered collectivism and individualism. Since weekly online discussions were encouraged, I started a post on how western societies (typically considered individualistic) were not completely devoid of collectivism. I gave a few examples like fraternities/sororities(since we were on a college campus), but the responses I got were pretty...interesting.
Ppl would say collectivism = communism = bad, and US is not like communist countries, so my examples don’t count and such. I made no statement that collectivism is bad, or mention any relationship to communism at all, and yet some ppl reacted so overly defensive! It’s crazy how you can’t even have a civil discussion about anything that can be remotely associated with communism, it’s ridiculous. I know that isn’t everyone, but these ppl tend to be obnoxiously loud.
thats how capitalist portrait communism to masses, to demonize it. or any other socialistic aproach
A lot of Americans believe that EVERYTHING is superior in America and become angry if you hint at imperfection.
That's what decades of propaganda does to a country.
Watching this…I’m thankful for the “expensive” medical/healthcare in my country.
We have a national insurance and a “medical account” called Medisave that we contribute from our salary.
Giving birth in a govt hospital costs between $4000 to $1000 depending on the ward class and we end up paying between $800 to $3000 in cash, with the rest paid from insurance and Medisave.
I had a major surgery for colon cancer and a 13 days hospital stay in a Govt hospital and a subsidised ward.
Total bill? ~ $48k
After subsidies ~ $11k
All paid for from my insurance and Medisave.
I opted out of chemo ~ that would have cost me $800 per cycle in cash.
Each review with carcinogenic test costs $80.
Each CT Scan cost $800 plus (we can use up to $600 from our Medisave per year for CT/Pet/MRI scans).
My double scoping procedure costs $1500 each time (as a day surgery, I can claim under insurance and Medisave).
My cousin died of a heart attack at 36. His last words were I’m fine. I can’t afford an ambulance.
That's so sad... May he rest in peace
That hurts to hear. I'm so sorry.
😯😯😯😥😥😥
😭😭
I'm so sorry! I had a friend who thought he might be having a heart attack and when I called 911 asking for an ambulance they actually asked me again how serious it was bc if I could drive him myself i could save the cost of the ambulance which they said was a lot. Then another friend who was in the hospital, they gave them a pain medication drip where they could press a button for more pain relief but the nurse warned him that every click of the button is like $100 so make sure you need it. Omg us health care sucks
Last year, I ended up in the ER following a suicide attempt. I was under observation for 12hrs to ensure my heart didn’t go into distress and start arresting. I was given IV saline and IV antiemetics to help flush my system, as well as blood tests, and an EKG.
After I was discharged, I received my ER bill less than a week later. Even with insurance, it cost me 6x what I make in a month.
After getting that bill, I almost wished I had succeeded, because the financial price was (at that time of my life) worse than paying with my life.
There’s something severely wrong with the American healthcare system if I’d rather successfully end my life, than get emergency intervention and live to face the bill.
Take care. x
I hope you're okay now
Mental health care is lacking everywhere.
I was monitored and admitted for 3 days. All free.
@jenna5960 simple, move to the US.
In England during the height of covid I needed double shoulder surgery they gave me an mri scan and 2 weeks later they gave me flawless surgery! On top of that they gave me 6 months of physiotherapy !! All medication was included ! Furthermore my dad needed a life saving heart surgery again during the height of covid! All of this cost £0 I love the nhs and everyone that works there, I always always buy an nhs worker a pint when I meet them! They are up there with our soldiers, thankyou boys and girls
This was an excellent video.
I’ve seen videos criticising US healthcare costs before but not one where UK costs are broken down to this level. As a Brit, I’m glad to fund the NHS in the way that we do but we definitely take it for granted.
Thanks for producing a very informative video. Very interesting.
We definitely do take it for granted.
We allow or even encourage a lot of extremely unhealthy behaviour when said behaviour is a public burden. If you smoke you're not just causing problems for yourself but for all of society who must finance the inevitable treatment for the consequences of your behaviour.
Well it's doing almost fuck all for people now
@@10538overture What a well-reasoned, well-thought out response. You fanatical cult members who treat the NHS like an untouchable God are insane. You know full well what I wrote is not absolute bollocks.
@@nogoogleyounothavingmycred253 the irony here lol. We could say the same about your first comment how you said just as much as he did to back up your claim.
The government play on the fact we take it for granted too, by slowly selling it all off and underfunding it without us making a stink about it. The fact they haven't increased the budget IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC or to give its workers a reasonable pay rise says all you need to know about the Tory's.
If you want to watch 20 minutes of Evan slowly getting more and more depressed about US Healthcare boy is this the video for you xD
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I'm not an American and I got depressed not even halfway through the video 😅
Imagine how depressed us Americans are... And how much it costs to treat that depression
@@bloodfaythe13 Oh yeah I pity you guys greatly
@@bloodfaythe13 and mental healthcare isn't always covered by insurance, so whatever that treatment cost is very possibly all out of pocket.
I can’t thank the NHS enough. For free, they saved my life as a child from meningococcal septicaemia. They’ve given my child life through a difficult and complex pregnancy and birth. They saved her fathers leg from being amputated with a cage and pins through his leg & rods and screws keeping his spine together. We are so blessed 🙏🏻
Nothing's free you work year's of your life to pay for just the NHS in tax when you add it up
@@davidevans3223 Yeah but it’s still substantially less than the US. The US pays more in healthcare than pretty much the entire developed world and on top of that they pay around 250% more for routine medicine compared to the rest of the developed world. This as well as your taxes each year. So the US actually has to pay for insurance, pay for medical treatment, pay their taxes and then pay through the nose for medicine (if required.) Compared to all of that being covered by everyone’s tax dollars in pretty much the rest of the developed word.
I’d rather pay my taxes and not go bankrupt for visiting the doctor, thank you very much.
I'm for NHS in America. However, no private health insurance will pay for an ambulance ride if you are drunk..even dead drunk..You will have to pay maybe 2500 pounds and 1000 pounds for the ER room. If you are falling down drunk and pass out chances are nobody will call an ambulance..American's are very careful when they use the health system. In some cities like the one I live in, you have to pay for a fire truck that you have called for...
@@davidevans3223 better than it not happening because you cant afford it or being in debt where they can repossess your assets.
@@davidevans3223 This is a stupid comment and I doubt you understand why.
I live in India and we just recently had a baby. it cost us totally around of 965 USD(77000 INR) for a 4 day stay in a private room of a very well equipped and modern hospital. this was including everything the doctors fees, medicine, babys bill etc. Most of it was reimbursed by our insurance as well .
My wife's British and it blew my mind when she went to the hospital for a check-up, and had surgery the next day like it was nothing. I had a bad cramp in my neck and charged $1,500 for just walking into the hospital in the US.
One thing i see usonians do a lot is say 'nhs has huge wait times' like no.. they dont
This is why it annoys me when people from the US say "yeah but you have huge wait lists" or "yeah but you'll die waiting to be treated". The NHS will treat you VERY quickly if it's needed. I needed surgery following a severe tear during birth. They saw me on the Thursday and operated on the following Tuesday. Also I'm sure I read that the wait times AND quality of care are generally worse in the US and many go bankrupt for it too. They have one of the worst maternal death rates of the developed world.
@@kingasparagoose6849 Nah, I'm British and the NHS does sometimes have huge wait times, but those wait times are only as long as they are due to the chronic and purposeful underfunding the NHS has been receiving over the last decade, they've been getting longer over time and it's a big part of why NHS staff keep going on strike, as the NHS needs more funding.
However those wait times are also usually for things that aren't immediately urgent, if you need surgery right now then you'll get surgery right now.
Despite wait times, the NHS is miles ahead of the US system of healthcare and if you really want you can still go private anyway and at least private costs in the UK are fairly reasonable, unlike the US. The security the NHS provides cannot be understated.
What hospital did she go to? Surgery the next day? That's not how the NHS works. "Get on the waiting list" is how the NHS works.
@@kingasparagoose6849 Yes, it does.
I grew up desperately wanting to be American ... I believed that everything was superior there .. Then i travelled and my eyes were opened . America is a great country but sadly i don't think it looks after its people well. That shocked me ...
Same!!!!!
Yep I am American can't afford Healthcare if I get sick I better die or be in debt forever makes me want to emigrate honestly
Same! Health, education, prison system etc. Should not be businesses. It’s crazy
It's getting worse. The income stratification in the US is the worst in the developed world.
@@phathuevos697 why don't you vote M4A?
The health care system in the US is actually disgusting. It's funny hearing the differences but when you consider what someone can owe for a medical emergency they have no control over it's so depressing.
There are occasional news stories about people refusing ambulances after car crashes because they know they can't pay. It's really messed up, to be perfectly honest, and it's one of the biggest reasons I hope to leave this country in a few years.
I mean, not even a car accident, where there's someone to blame maybe because they ran a red light or something. You just fall at home or something equally unpredictable and not anyone's fault and that's it, that's your year's salary, if you're lucky, down the drain. It's crazy
@@nahuelma97 too true. I specifically highlighted the car accident thing because I remember reading a news story about it, but I know it also happens in many other circumstances. Either way it's messed up
The thought occurs to me that maybe many US citizens who are afraid of the costs or have no insurance did not even go to the hospital during this pandemic and may have died (undetected) of the virus.
@@manub.3847 I think the undetected part may not be as feasible as one would initially think, since there would have to be an autopsy, which would reveal the cause of death to be COVID-19, but people being afraid to go to the doctor, yeah, that's pretty messed up
I'm from the Netherlands. My partner had to have open hart surgery a couple years back. He had two open heart surgeries (1st one didn't fix it, so they had to go in a second time). Each surgery was followed by 2 days in intensive care and about 5 days in general care. For the surgeries, hospital care and all the drugs, I think the hospital declared about 15,000 euro to his insurance. For the insurance he only had to pay his "own risk" portion, which at the time was 385 euro. If we lived in the US, we would have been bankrupt.
How? If you had insurance you would only have to pay out of pocket max. Having insurance is not unheard of.
I live in Spain and had an open ankle dislocation in which 65% of my ankle was open. I was ambulanced into emergency surgery, hospitalised and 2 years later still having check up MRIs. I paid ZERO. Only a small amount for medication prescriptions which probably totally came to 20 dollars if that. I am walking fine and everytime I look at the ever fading scar, I am so grateful for National Health
Capitalism: "Companies that compete with each other will lead to more effective healthcare and cheaper prices for the consumer." NHS: "Here, hold my bag of saline."
hahaha
This is true though, on paper at least. The problem with American healthcare is its badly propped up by insurance companies and the government so the prices get jacked up. If they didn't rely so much on insurance and just had people pay a reasonable price per consultation I.e €50 like we have here, plus a bit extra for special procedures line x-rays, there would be significantly less problems
@@frostyblade8842 to be honest, it's partly true, partly not. The companies which survive are not always the ones offering the best consumer experience - they are the ones who make the most profit. Offering the best customer experience / best price is one method, but cutting your costs (even in immoral ways) or monopolising are also popular methods
@@frostyblade8842 The NHS has massive bargaining power when it comes to drug companies. It negotiates on behalf of 60M patients. If a pharmaceutical company is being greedy - the NHS just says NO! Most drug companies blink first - and reduce their price. The multitude of US insurance companies have no such bargaining - and just pass the cost to the patient. Capitalism at its finest.
Only until they wipe out smaller or individual health establishments and they get monopoly . American healthcare is actually forefather of ubers to nyc taxis 😁
Every Brit who moans about the NHS should be made to watch this.
There are states in the USA that take peoples homes and put them in jail if they cant pay their medical bills. Last year I had to put 9000 dollars on my credit card to pay for two root canals and a crown. Im still trying to pay it off. I hate living in the USA as I get older.
it's severely underfunded and understaffed, but I much prefer it to the USA.
@@pieflower6419 it is underfunded and understaffed but its our NHS its a beautiful place to go when you need help. No one panics and think oh dear can they afford that ambulance. No one is thinking about a bill while in the most vulnerable moment of their life.
My husbands picking you up in that ambulance and all he's thinking is how do I save, treat and/or help this person.
@@sagnhill That price is insane. I live in Norway, for some reason dental is not considered part of our public healthcare(though still free for children) so it's all private. A normal checkup would cost about 100$, I'd guess two root canals and a crown would cost somewhere between 300-500$.
@@avon8794 One x-ray cost me 400 dollars.
😂 I cut my finger in France (I’m Dutch). Went to the hospital. Doc had to check my tendon for damage, had to call in another doctor. We spent about two hours there in a private room. The only thing I paid was the over the counter meds afterwards (€50) and I could charge most of that to my insurance when I got home. French medical service was excellent.
Australian here 🙋♀️ my son had an appendectomy last year, emergency surgery; including ambulance ride to the children's hospital about 40mins away. After we got home, he had acute pain so back to children's hospital ED in another ambulance, we were there about 8 hours, he just needed an adjustment to his pain meds. Cost me about $70 in parking at the hospital. That's it. I love Medicare and our public system.
Edit: I forgot to mention diagnosing GP came to our home, at night and said my son probably had appendicitis, he organised the first ambulance. How much? $0.
Canadian here: My best friend ended up in hospital with a very rare condition for 7 months. She was in ICU twice during that time and on extremely expensive drugs. Multiply CT and MIR scans. It cost her zero dollars until she was officially discharged but had to go into extended care which took a couple of weeks, so then she was being charged for her bed which was about $400 in the end. Her diagnosis was Neuromyelitis optica. Sadly she passed away 4 years later from complications of NMO.
Im sorry for your loss
Sorry for your loss. Canadian too!
Sorry for your loss.
@@ma_kal Thank you
@@eringage1511 Thank you
This is why (in America) I (a paramedic) try to save my patients as much money as possible. I absolutely hate how I work really hard to save a patient's life only to have them drown in medical bills.
Thanks for all you do ❤ I'm sure it makes a huge difference to the people that you help
I’ve just spent three months in hospital with bowel cancer surgery, 3 ambulance trips, 3 bouts of septicaemia, morphine withdrawal, wound went septic, three weeks in intensive care, can’t count the x rays scans and different treatments including chemotherapy and then carers when I came home and the biggest expense I had was for my dogs fees while I was in there. God knows how much that would have cost me in the States, probably half a million maybe more.
my mother was walking around with a burst appendix for a week and she didn’t go until she absolutely had to. i’m sure so many americans have died from this
And they wait until it's much worse than going as soon as you have symptoms. Cancer probably gets a couple stages higher bc people don't want to pay.
@@downhomesunset its not even that they don't want to pay. Its that the just can't.
diabetics have died in the US from not being able to afford a medication which is affordable in civilised nations
@@cmmndrblu I'm a diabetic here in the UK and all my medications are free, it truly heartless that in the US you are held accountable to either your job, parents or how much you have in your bank account to survive any or all life changing health issues. A truly Dog eat Dog society.
I considered driving myself to the hospital when I was in NO CONDITION to drive because I didn't want to pay for an ambulance. I eventually called an ambulance because I didn't want to crash and kill someone. The ride and ER visit cost me $2,000 (and that was only because I didn't need any major procedures)
The most amazing thing about the NHS, above and beyond everything they do for us, is the fact they do it with a smile despite being criminally overworked and underpaid!
You work a few year's of your life to pay for the NHS out of tax you can work another full year and give them every penny and it will still be underfunded
@@davidevans3223 agree, staff are often underpaid and not happy about it. I have seen the NHS change so much. Peoples lifestyles have brought its needs type 2 diabetes is the biggest cost to the NHS. Diet and exercise people.
Yet Sports stars get paid millions for doing very little really
Still treated better then EMT here. They made the work contract in such a way that if you aren't actually responding to a call then you're 'on call' ( as off you were sitting about at home hoping to pick up extra hours despite being on a scheduled 8 hr shift). Those 'on call' wages? $2/hr...then they have the nerve to bitch about the lack of paramedics (keeping in mind you have to work your way up to paramedic) massive wait times, and burnout. I'm sorry but if someone expected me to work even their 'actively responding pay' (15/hr btw) with massive student debt, long often 12-16hr shifts despite the fact they aren't supposed to be allowed to do that, then add in ppl treating you like shit drunks addicts idiots treating you like a taxi and ptsd due to having to make split second decisions with minimal information and occasionally outright wrong information...I'd go tell them to get fucked too. Hell, a damn gas station cashier makes more without the student debt. A bus driver makes 4x more then a paramedic here... To me, that's disgusting. An athlete lives like a king but medical staff make barely enough to cover their student debt never mind costs of living. These are the people we should be paying the highest not the crappiest.
I work in the NHS and this is a myth. SOME NHS workers are underpaid - Paramedics, criminally so and also there are a LOT of minimum wage admin staff, usually middle aged women, who often run whole departments who are criminally underpaid. Doctors and Nurses are NOT UNDERPAID, in fact, they are paid very well indeed. Doctors in particular are now the highest paid profession in the country. Nurses start low, like most professions, but Staff Nurses (sisters) can see packages of £40-50k, Matron level - up to £80k. Senior nursing management, in excess of £100k. When looking at healthcare salaries you have to understand that the publicly listed data is far removed from actual take-home. Most will work a 35 hour week and will pick up an additional shift paid on locum rates or bank and this can be 3-4 times higher than their permanent hourly rate.
At time of writing, November 2022 a standard Band 5 Ward nurse in London working Agency shifts is paid £36.5 per hour. I can cite examples of theatre nurses working for Insourcing Companies (which run whole NHS Departments) who are on £900 per day plus.
Last year when Doctors were demanding yet more money, the NHS responded by doing a deal with Tesla which would allow them to write off the cost of a Tesla against tax, this is why so many doctors are driving around in Tesla sports cars - paid for by you and me BTW....
underpaid! my hairy caledonian ring piece!
I was really surprised to hear that he was only paid £12/hour... I knew wages on the NHS were low but this is ridiculous... you guys deserve to be paid so much more
It’s only because he is a trainee doctor. Believe me once fully qualified he will be earning biiiig bucks.
whilst I'm sure that's true, doesn't it take like 8 years of being a junior doctor to become a consultant?
@@papayasaf5134 Yeah, but you don't stay at £12 in the meantime...
I was a student nurse in Scotland back in 2014/15 and we were paid £500 a month. We were doing 36 hours a week and official nursing jobs. I believe the grant is now £10,000 per annum.
Well let's remember that you can't give away free services to 50 million people and then pay all the people providing those services huge salaries..... the money has to come from somewhere.....
Every US politician, healthcare executive, pharmaceutical executive and anyone else opposed to universal healthcare should have to watch this and then defend their position. I have two relatives through marriage who are MD's in the NHS - they are specialists who could practice anywhere but choose to stay in with NHS. Thank you for posting this Evan.
The size and population of the U.S could easily not just afford a low tax national health service, but they could have the best in the world, I once did the maths on the entire working populous paying $3 per month in healthcare tax and it far surpassed what was necessary for free healthcare, the drug companies would also still profit with a $10 prescription rate.
Imagine what the system would be like if you rounded it up to $5 per month.
from a quick Google search that would come to 5.6 Billion Annually. We currently ALREADY spend 812 billion on Medicare so add that up to 818 billion just to round it. Different studies suggest different things but from the three studies I read Administrative savings from would be about $600 billion a year. Savings on prescription drugs would be between $200 billion and $300 billion a year, if we paid about the same price as other comparable countries paid. So lets just value it all at like 818b + 800b in savings to get 1.6 trillion dollars. Estimates of projected costs for universal health care place us at around 30 to 40 trillion dollars over a 10 year period or 3-4 trillion annually. So it would actually be 13-14 dollars a month instead of 3. Which is a good fucking deal isnt it?
@@avro9159 I mean if you read my reply to him I already pointed that out. We would have to pay 13-14 a month. It wouldn't cover the cost but it would basically even out with savings and additional revenue what we already pay.
I wish you could put it in a blog and everyone will make it viral. Maybe that’s a push or inspiration that Americans need to see?
Working middle class adults pay 400 euros per month in France for the equivalent of the NHS. And about 30 to 60 euros for eyes and dental insurance that also cover most of private clinics
@@avro9159
So you’re ok with privatizing healthcare?
You really want that “for profit” healthcare system?
You really think “making money and profits” is more important than HEALTH?
A patient of mine had stents in the US whilst on holiday, and was charged £500,000. 10 years later has needs further stents in the UK, and didn't pay a penny out of pocket
Can confirm US health bills for heart attacks are insane; my grandmother had one earlier this year. The total bill was ~$150,000, and going through the individual charges was impossible to decipher and so frustrating
HOW is that legal just BIZARRE
@@evan my favorite was the mysterious $15,000 charge for “materials” that apparently weren’t included in the room charge, the bed charge, or the drugs charge 🤷♀️
@@MeredithVolkman so do American hospitals charge an entrance fee just to enter?😂
@@eyeofthetiger6002 I was in the waiting room for 3 minutes and they charged me $500 for it.
Wtf? I think the bill alone would give me a heart attack
So glad we have the NHS here. Makes you realise how lucky we really are, & we shouldn’t take it for granted
What drove me crazy when giving birth to my daughter, was that they charged me a room occupancy fee of 7k for myself, and an additional room occupancy fee of 5k for my newborn. We were in the same room the entire time! I was caring for her the entire time myself, outside of the standard newborn checks, which they also charged me for! Gtfo
Wtf! If you have insurance would it still cost as much? Like for here in Australia you have the choice to go public which is free or go private which you may have an out of pocket cost of maybe ranging from 200 to 1k maybe.
And do most people in the US have private health? How do people pay for those exorbitant bills? That's just so fucked up
The answer is we don't :/ plenty of people can't afford healthcare at all. Lots of low income people just kinda live in debt... even with my mother's most expensive insurance plan through her work, her deductible is still so high she can never go to the doctor, so she's working on a broken (never fully healed) ankle but just works through the pain cuz bills don't pay themselves
@@instinctivejudgement Most people don’t. It gets put on your credit report and affects the rest of your life of being able to buy a home or anything like that it shows up as debt.
I can't believe that 'skin on skin' charge for a new mother & her baby !!!
they charged the baby lmaooooo, what a joke your healthcare is
This is something that I didn’t know I wanted but apparently you knew I did
I never knew a lot of this stuff Iain said so I found it super interesting! :)
Margaret Thatcher
I had a baby at the start of the month and it wasn’t the smoothest and the thought of having to pay £££ on top of the trauma is terrifying.
Also. The US charge you for skin-to-skin?!?! That’s horrific 💔
So thankful for the NHS we really don’t know how lucky we are until we compare to other countries.
I mean, you Brits take universal free healthcare for granted because you’ve had the NHS since 1946 while in America we still don’t have universal healthcare. Thankfully there’s a political movement here called Medicare for all so we eventually catch to the rest of the world.
@@koukkoufos2000 well you would if the politicians who support it would get elected. Your F’ed up system means that Medicare for all probably won’t be a thing until you fix gerrymandered districts and finally elect a left leaning president rather than moderates like Biden
@@koukkoufos2000 minor correction: the NHS was founded it 1947 not 1946
@@amiscellaneoushuman3516 My bad. 1947 not 1946. Close enough 😂
@@lukas97671 Dude, we had a chance to elect a left leaning president in Bernie Sanders but unfortunately corruption chose Biden. Also gerrymandering needs to die but we can do Medicare for all even without banning gerrymandering. Also we have a few politicians who support Medicare for all in congress but they are too scared to challenge Nancy pelosi on it who is against it
As an American in the midwest, I still pay a lot for my healthcare, but my last trip to the ER in an ambulance (including x-ray and stitches) was about $3,500 without insurance. The numbers I hear about what must be the rest of the country are even shocking to me!
i went to the ER because of gallbladder pain had a few blood tests done, an EKG and finally taken back to an exam room and spoke to a doctor. About 6 1/2 hours later and i have $15,000 in medical bills that won't be covered because I hadn't paid my $4,700 deductible yet and my out of pocket maximum is $8,700.
I have to have the removal surgery tomorrow so that's going to add even more debt
You do realise an ambulance is just a small van with underpaid, glorified drivers, right? Including petrol, depreciation, staff, it probably cost under $300.
"I hate the smell when it's not santized properly"
Remember that people when you complain that hospital stink of disinfectant and/or bleach it could smell of something a WHOLE lot worse
And it also indicates that patients are being neglected if the smell is more than passing.
Am I the only one who actually likes the bleach alcohol smells?
@@xymonau2468 yes you can tell alot about the level of patient care by how a ward looks/smells.
@@coolworms7297 no your not the only one 😁
The thought of that... can u imagine previous health care...or lack of
I had an ovarian cyst rupture when I was out of town once and was so scared of a high emergency room bill, that I just laid in pain in my hotel room. Luckily I had no further complications when I got an ultrasound years later- but it goes to show in the US how scared we all are because hospital bills are so high.
That is so scary and I'm so sorry that happened to you. So many people have to stay home out of fear, or try to practice "frontier medicine" on themselves. I know a few people who have stitched themselves up, and one guy that goes to a veterinarian he knows, under the table. The risks are overshadowed by potential costs of seeking care.
That must have been terrifying
That had to hurt…
It’s also worth mentioning that a lot of people will get their prescriptions free as well - people with significant health conditions like cancer or epilepsy will get an exemption card.
Prescriptions are free in Scotland for everyone.
At worst, in England and Wales, an annual prescription payment certificate is £108.10 for as many medicines as your require.
And people under the age of 18 if they are on education
Lol I had epilepsy and I had to pay for my prescriptions. Luckily I'm now 5 years med free seizure free so I don't have to worry about that anymore but never even had a doctor mention an exception card.
Sorry to hear that but yep as someone with epilepsy I only pay for my dentist (prescription it has a tick box for exrmpt or chronic conditions) and even then he often gets it done for free by saying that as i grind my teeth in a seizure its disproportionate wear and tear. He does charge me for the coffee stain removal mind.
I'm so glad and thankful for our NHS! They saved my life on at least 3 occasions( 3 brain aneurysm operations with stand's including a burst one with massive bleed) plus 2 kidney transplants and dialysis treatment for 3 years inbetween. And 10 different and very expensive medicines I have to take daily for the rest of my life. Cost to me £ 0.00
I don't dare imagine what that would have cost me in USA.
Thanks to NHS I'm able to see my 11 year old son grow up. And that is PRICELESS!!!
❤️ NHS ❤️
Still just baffles me completely how the US can live with its health system. I'm from the UK and dislocated my shoulder in Italy. They didn't even ask for my EHIC card or anything just told me it was free in the most stereotypically Italian way, fixed me up and sent me on my way all in the same night. The only thing I paid for was the taxi ride home.
I dislocated my knee in Spain. Had to show my EHIC but other than crutches and medication (painkillers and blood clot preventative injections) which cost about €30 it was free.
How? The power of brainwashing.
Evan never says in any of his videos, you can call the billing department of the hospitals in the US and make arrangements to pay what you can afford every month until the bill is paid.
@@marydavis5234 Doesn't that still just saddle you with a bunch of debt though? You are still forced into an expense for the purpose of your own health. My shoulder dislocation is part of a wider instability in both of my shoulders that means I've been in the hospital several times this year as well as having physio on the NHS. Even for a monthly cost I dread to think how long I would be paying that for if the cost fell directly onto me.
From what I can now recall about a video - or it may have been a documentary that I have seen before somewhere. The EHIC card was created to make sure that any EU citizen was guaranteed treatment in any EU country. The idea of the card was that, if used, where you are then treated can then be used to send a bill back to their own country for whatever your care package was that was needed at the time . . .
I still remember now from it that the NHS paid these incoming bills off very quickly. Whereas many other countries always owed the NHS millions, up to perhaps hundreds of millions for not paying for what had been done in the UK for their own countrymen/women. And from what I can just about recall from a year or two ago since watching it now - the NHS was owed a few billion by them all together - as in some countries, a lot more than others, it was dependant upon wherever the most UK tourists went to on holiday and then went to get something seen to . . .
I’m from the US but have been living in Taipei, Taiwan for the past two years. They have national health insurance, where they cover 90% of the cost. I have several severe chronic illnesses that because of how expensive it was in the US I would frequently not go to doctors because I couldn’t afford to add to ever mounting medical bills. Here in Taiwan I go to PT twice a week (which I will need virtually forever), and this is covered in my once a month doctors visit, which also covers me for my meds for 3 months. I go to the top hospital in Taiwan, and the doctors visit, 3 months worth of medication, and month of physical therapy cost me about 500NTD or roughly $18 USD(at smaller hospitals or clinics this can get as cheap as $3 USD)… my health insurance is about $29 USD a month… paid annually. I’m just so incredibly glad that I can get the help I need and not be constantly under the crushing pressure that medical debt makes you feel. In Taiwan’s stated reason for their healthcare system they said that they didn’t want anyone with a chronic illness to have to go bankrupt because of it. Healthcare should be a basic human right. I’m not someone who gets angry at many things, but the US healthcare system is just… a disgusting business that has absolutely no desire to help people in need. It’s there to just make money off people’s misfortune.
My husband's family is Taiwanese - even though we are in Australia and covered by Medicare (they are dual citizens), the healthcare is so brilliant in Taiwan his parents fly back for certain treatments.
The US in general is mostly a disgusting business meant to make money off of people's misfortune.
American with multiple chronic illnesses here. I had to live with family for many years as an adult, because literally everything I earned at a full-time but low-wage job had to go towards healthcare costs. (Couldn't finish university because of health problems.)
I live in third world Philippines where our “sort of” government funded health care (PhilHealth)-my monthly contribution for PhilHealth is about 10usd- is sooo corrupt but atleast they still cover a portion of our hospital bills if we ever get confined and hospitals dont charge for skin-to-skin contact. If you work in big companies, they also provide private health care that will shoulder the remaining bill PhilHealth wont cover.
I turned 60 last year. A couple of weeks after my birthday I got an NHS Bowel Cancer Screening test kit through the letterbox. I didn't ask for this care, and it was free.
In Australia we get this from age 50. Women receive free breast cancer screening every two years from age 50 as well, and men receive free prostate checks from age 50. Also at age 50 your GP encourages a full workup blood sugar etc etc again, like in the UK, all free.
We in Australia also get the kit
And free breast screening for women over 50.
My daughter 27 had a little lump on her breast had a needle biopsy ultrasound etc.. and bill = $0
God bless Australia.
My question is if you're poor what happens to you if you get sick and can't afford to pay hospital bill , do they still treat you ?
When I turned 50, I was called for a general health screening run by the GP's practice nurse. I also availed myself of the 60+ bowel cancer programme.
And that's how my dad's cancer was found this year. Esp grateful as if bowel cancer is found when you're symptomatic, it's in an advanced stage. Also grateful that NHS does this
It s cheaper for them to do cheap testing of everyone and then cheap treatment earlier then expensive treatment later.
I live in America but am an Englishman, my wife had to have blood tests which as she is a nurse at the hospital she gets for free, but the insurance company sent her a rundown of the bill for records snd it would have cost her $3,650. My mother in law was prescribed new medication for her heart and they wanted $1,000 every month for that one medication. It's a bloody rip off.
GP out of hours service saved my dad's life. A couple of years ago he had a brain hemorrhage and it was thanks to the people at the out-of-hours clinic that he actually went to A&E and is now still alive.
My husband had a medical emergency and had to be life flighted - insurance didn’t pay all of it and I had to appeal the bill was almost $50,000, insurance finally paid it. After being in the hospital for two weeks had to be taken off life support the total of everything was almost $300,000 and I had to pay almost $8,500. Having to deal with a sudden loss and then deal with months of calling about bills and etc is beyond frustrating (especially when trying to figure out financials if you can afford where you live etc because you don’t have their income either).
That's so awful, sorry for your loss and what a stressful extra burden to have to deal with
This is perhaps the worst thing about the American system - that people have to worry so much about money while they're already going through a physical and emotional crisis. It's like "oh, you're going through something horrible? Let's add to that". I'm very sorry for you and all other Americans who have to go through things like that.
That's so sad, and unnecessary, too. My mother was airlifted back to our town from the city in an air ambulance and it cost us nothing. I always feel sorry for Americans struggling with healthcare. But not for the ones that imply Australia is a Communist nation for having a free health system.
That's disgusting, especially when USA is the richest country in the world.
@@shoutforit tbh if you didnt count the 1% and adjust for cost of living US would be among the poorer developed maybe even going into developing territory.
This is so interesting, my Dad had a heart attack, including Ambulance, several nights in hospital, an Ambulance transfer to another hospital, a double bypass surgery and they managed to do it all while his heart was beating, then the intensive care afterwards. He paid absolutely nothing, nothing at all, for one of the leading heart surgeons in the UK.. The US is mad
My father was admitted to hospital because he didn’t feel well following a blood transfusion for his cancer treatment. Two days on he was admitted to ITU for 9 days with sepsis at which point he unfortunately died. I cannot fault the treatment her received in the NHS.
@@kathrynabbott5032 the only thing anyone British can fault the NHS on is there lack of budget! And it's not even there fault ffs
@@jwb52z9 I don't understand that though, Americans pay out more monthly for health insurance than they would for a national health system
As somone from America I absolutely hate our medical system when it comes to Billing and Insurance. I am very lucky that my Mom works at a large hospital in the area as a house keeper, she gets really good insurance but a lot of our most reasonable insurance prices dont even cover most visits or prescriptions. Its terrifying to know that if my Mom lost her job rn we'd have to pay $500+ a month to live. (Me and My Mom both are on heart medication, my Mom would Die without it and Id be essentially bed ridden if I didnt have mine) Not including our yearly visits to make sure our bodies are still healthy and that our medication doesnt need adjusting. Im 18 years old and ppl would rather not pay taxes and lower our Military Budget to make health care more accessible to all and instead let hundreds of thousands of ppl suffer and even die bc they cant afford the treatment they need and it disgusts me.
@@davifmcmonies2306 yes!! The NHS needs more funding ASAP. Plus more walk in centres and GP surgeries
The amount of people in the UK that will go to Doctor or A&E unnecessarily is unbelievable. I remember one occasion that I popped in to A&E to ask about nearest walk-in centre and staff said just come in here - I was seen pretty quickly - I think partially because I was asking about non-A&E. I would have been happy to go to walk-in. Thank you to NHS and their Docs & Nurses
I know I had a seizure and fell down the stairs and busted my face open and I was put in a room with another 3 people and one was there for a sore toe?? SMH
US citizen here: went to the er in another state because I cut my finger while cutting potatoes on vacation, insurance didn't cover it and ended up paying $8000 out of pocket for something I honestly probably could have done just as well a job myself wrapping up and waiting for the bleeding to stop. The US healthcare system is a joke. Even with insurance, I am terrified of falling ill and going into debt.
Anxiety in itself can cause various disorders,in the US it's basically the 'sword of Damocles' syndrome(the worry about getting ill can make you ill)
As an Englishman I just can’t get my head around you paying that much for medical treatment it’s just madness. The last thing you need to be worrying about when ill is how much is this going to cost. 2 years ago I had a 6hour operation and spent 3 weeks in hospital a bed 3 meals a day and all my medication all for free
@@busking6292 My anxiety is through roof because I’m always worried that I might get hurt or get sick. I don’t even dare do some things that I want to do because I don’t want to go into debt if I get hurt.
Sadly your system is far more than a joke.
@@SteveTidz Because the dividend on hospital profits to pay for 152,000 retired people in Florida is why.
On this episode of “Is it cheaper to do it- oh wait it’s free regardless...”
The NHS isn NOT free, it's free at source. i.e. you don't have to pay at the hospital or your GP.
However everyone who works pays National Insurance which pays for the NHS and social security benefits, government pension, etc.
It's taken directly from your salary but is only a small easily affordable percentage of your wage and is taken off before tax.
@@speleokeir yeah obviously lmao, when people say NHS is free they mean free at point of service, and it is "cheaper" since instead of paying let's say 2000 dollars in one month on medical bills, you pay 2000 dollars on a whole year, which is less of a burden on the individual (the numbers are only examples)
Not to mention, even if the NHS *wasn't* free at the point of use, the costs to the system are reasonable.
It's the prices of US healthcare that are astonishing. Do Americans think this is just how much those services are supposed to cost?
@@LabradorIndependent as an american…yeah i thought that was about what it’s supposed to cost until i started consuming content from other countries.
@@ygiuzebbe it’s not cheaper. A healthcare plan in the US is about $100 for a single individual, whilst in the UK most people pay more than that to the NHS
I had reconstructive surgery on my feet as a child so I could walk and I remember my mama showing me the bill because it was covered by insurance but she was explaining that if we didn't have insurance it would have been well over 4 million dollars for each foot. It's INSANE
Woooooooow 🤤
I'm German, we are historically and presently very docile towards our government, famously so even.
And I wonder how the fuck US Americans haven't already burned their entire country down over this shit.
God damn thats... wow
When was this?... 😮😮😮
Shocking
My wife had a heart attack and had 2 stents fitted and due to complications she was in hospital for 15 days…. Cost nothing…and to add to that she was off work for 7 months and she was on her full pay (35hrs per week) on 6 months and half pay after that for up to another year.
I’m American and ended up in the ER in London during a business trip. I either had food poisoning or a stomach bug and couldn’t stop throwing up. My British friend says I went to one of the best hospitals in London, which is a bit scary based on the waiting area and check in process. Once I was seen by a doctor, services were great. And I wasn’t charged anything.
I live in the US and during the first year of covid my fireplace blew up and my legs got second degree burns. I had no job, so no health insurance so I literally treated myself at home instead of going to the hospital because I knew I couldn’t afford it. This video really made me want to move out of the US.
Do it!
Many places have where you can apply for aid to remove most of the bill. I hope you're ok. We really need to get a control of our medical expenses.
Be careful what you ask for and read more news about NHS. Many people have to wait a long time to get an appt and die while waiting
@@lindaallen8800 - However private healthcare would still exist. If that happens, I have options.
@@lindaallen8800 liar bot
Honestly with those American prices, I'd skip straight to planning my funeral
Sadly, those are pretty expensive as well. 😖 Fortunately (?), it's only "buy a decent used car" expensive, not "buy a decent small house in many markets" expensive...
Yeah funerals are like $30k I think?
Depending what funerals, it costs 4k to millions of dollars.
@@leahdavis9434 depends on the funeral. And how you decided to take care of the body. Burial can be anywhere from $20,000 to $50,000 and cremation is typically around $15,000. There are tons of fees and extras. It's so preditory that my sister bout me without my permission a glass necklace of my grandpa's ashes.
Oh, and do you want live flowers with that? That will be an additional $100!
my 2 lads have both had double transplants, many many hours of other surgeries, weeks in intensive care and months in hospital and thanks to the NHS it cost us nothing!! we can't thank ALL the medical staff enough 💙
It cost you through your taxes. What are you talking about?
@@zuzanazuscinova5209 yes and I gladly pay them as the millions amd millions my kids medical care cost were covered!!!
@@zuzanazuscinova5209right...because paying taxes is worse than having your kids die. Sure
I will never stop enjoying Evan’s utter shock at how “cheap” the costs of NHS procedures/drugs/surgeries are. Or his disbelief at how generous the NHS is. Though it’s no wonder considering the US charges you to touch your baby for the 1st time (omg).
As an audiologist, I would like to clarify that the audiology fee in the birth cost is for newborn hearing screening, not listening to mum and bus’s heart. Note that in Australia where I work, this screen, and any further testing if there is a hearing loss, and any associated costs for hearing aids, are completely free.
I lost my insurance a week before I needed an emergency gall bladder removal. My hospital bill was $48,000, which did not include the anesthesiologist or surgeon, or the follow-up care. I despise the US “healthcare” system. It’s despicable. I don’t expect anything for free. I just want the system to make sense and be reasonable and fair.
The hospital is forced to give away care for free due to EMTALA. They swear that the high costs are to offset that. However, the nonprofit large organization around me spend tens of millions of dollars a year to have their names on the local football teams. Odd, isn’t it?
I had my gall bladder removed last october, with everything from emergency room visit to doctors visits, surgery with all that comes with that and removal of staples afterwards I paid 1100 swedish kronor. That's about 127 USD. $48,000 is absolute madness! I really do hope that your system can be fixed, no one should risk going bankrupt to get the treatment they need :(
That is insane. I had emergency gall bladder removal about 18 months ago, which included 6 nights in hospital. I can’t even imagine having that much debt as a result of essential surgery! I didn’t even pay for the antibiotics or pain relief I took home, as anything they send you home with from the hospital is not charged for!
I live in Aus. I had my gall bladder removed in 2019. It wasn't urgent so I went through private healthcare and I payed $250 as a premium. If it was urgent I would have payed $0
This happened to me as well. I was working as a tips-only server at the time while going to university full time and taking care of my three year old daughter. They quoted me 30k for the procedure, which also didn't include the anesthesiologist or surgeon or pre/post op appointments. Sad, isn't it?
I'm a Swede, and I "had to" get an AKG. Called at 8 in the morning, got an oppointment at 11. Went there, the nurde did the EKG, then a doctor had a little chat and a general check-up, did some blood tests and then I went home.
Total cost for me? 10 bucks.
Me as a scientist: a box of PBS (lab equivalent of saline), probably £50 or less. And we’re paying for the brand labelling! So the US is so ripped off!
a bag of saline in the up costs 75 pence. Cost price in US is one dollar, or 2 dollars for the branded version! How are they charging the customer so much?!!
@@emilygee3122 They claim part of it is dispensing it-hooking up an IV. I get dehydrated easily and sometimes get migraines and they just give me one or two bags. I'm in Canada so I never see a bill. Yes it's paid by taxes but everyone is treated equally.......
@@emilygee3122 exactly. When I say a box of PBS, I’m talking 10 bottles of 500ml, so less than £5 a bottle, and even then it’s probably over priced!
In Denmark where I’m from, unless you go private, everything is free… You pay for it through tax, but all together you never have to worry about the bill after a trip to the hospital
i've tried explaining that to someone in germany, that you do pay for medical care through your taxes. In a way i wish we had that in america. we do have whats called medicade or medicare and we pay about as much as you do through payroll taxes, but its very very hard to get on it.
Whenever i hear the prices from america i feel a bit sick and disgusted. How on earth are they allowed to be charged so terribly for a basic right.
A loud populous does not believe it's a right, unfortunately.
@@deinnydoes5356 hmm.. this effects if you live or not..so it is definately a human right. If there is a large amount of people disagreeing with the high prices, I would think arguing about if it's a right or not is pointless. Its already something a mass amount of citizens are asking for.
"Forcing people to become doctors and treat patients is slave labor and making someone else a slave to ensure your 'human rights' is reprehensible. What about the doctor's human rights?" I have gotten that response multiple times from people when I bring up governmnet funded healthcare.
That being said, it is a minority of people who are crazy like that (and probably either foreign agents trying to stir up shit online, or those who have been duped by them).
The USA has an actually decent health care system for retirees and the elderly (its basically government run insurance that charges based on a sliding scale). Over 70% of American citizens support removing the age restriction and making it available to everyone. Exactly 2 federally elected politicans openly and enthusiastically support that position. The real problem in America is that our politicians have learned that they can change the topic of conversation every few years and we will give up fighting for before we can make any headway.
@@justincenter4061 the worst part of slavery was the ill affected and it been non consensual. People who choose to be drs get paid and supported so it cant be compared.
If the elderly who paid their taxes are been cared for, what change does doing that for everyone affect? Drs are paid, people are irrefutable helped so they live better lives and less money is squandered to help the economy.
I think the strangest thing is how this is brought into politics with only 2 people fighting for a major impact that every single person from a newborn baby is affected by. Politics isnt for things like this since its not a fighting issue. If they were arguing about the tax rates that would make some sense.
@@jwb52z9 thats a good point. But this is still a point that can be fixed through spreading knowledge. the pros outweigh the cons of paying a small price if you even need to in taxes. I know that those who are living with families can be helped this way with childcare. I know i actually recieved some cash back from making more donations and medical refunds (glasses and dentistry) through my taxes while working a fulltime job. Everything else like healthcare is covered from a small amount. Which is hundreds and for the states, id say thousands of dollars. Learning something new everyday is possible for everyone, if this can fix the cost of medicine i think spreading info would have massive effects.
German here, we have a private healthcare system besides the public one. Was privately insured for about 8 years being self-employed. My monthly fee was 450€ with a co-pay of 1000€ max per year. If I had bills below that threshold within a year, I paid them out of pocket and got two monthly fees back in return, so effectively my co-pay was 100€.PER YEAR. Now the interesting part: You get the bill from your doctors sent to your home, this way you see how much a treatment does really cost. Example: I had a little 'knob' (felt like a pebble about 5mm under the skin) right beneath my chin that could be removed through ambulant surgery by a specialist. The first visit, the ambulant surgery (three stitches) and the lab test of the tissue (just to make sure it was not harmful) added up to 240€. After this video I am sure in the US the bill would easily be 10k or higher.
Nah. A couple hundred, even without insurance. I had a mole removed for cosmetic reasons by a plastic surgeon in NJ (not covered by insurance for obvious reasons). It cost about 300.
You know what I find interesting, I’m a family practice doctor I’m the US and just finished residency and I would need a hospital bill for reference to know what things cost. We barely touch on cost of things in America as doctors. It’s not taught which is crazy. The NHS doc just knows all the costs of things off the top of his head.
Doctors are aware of costs because the NHS has an internal market system. He’s probably looking at a career involved in the hospital business planning and then become a healthcare commissioner or a family clinic share holder. If you are Family Clinic share holder or we call GP Partner, you get a share of the profits made. The way they profit is by injecting innovation, buying their supplies well, getting rewarded (meeting best practice incentives) for not receiving patient complaints, and using their practice to maximum use like entering into a cooperative with other clinics by sharing the cost of sauna chiropractor or a nutritionist (professionals who would be going from one village to another using the doctors clinic to maximise their hours when theirs low demand in just one area).
You are permitted to look things up and to call and to ask questions.
Doctors in the UK have no idea how much things cost! He must have looked it all up.
@@jennywoodruff9187 So, who do we believe, you or the doctor? hmmm hard one that lol.
I work for a bunch of doctors as the manager of revenue cycle management. Basically my team and I work your claims for you. Anyway, you're 100% right, they teach absolutely nothing about billing, credentialing, etc in the US to the doctors. I have so many doctors that don't know a lick about it and it's sad because they lose out on so much money.
"Are there any hidden fees though? At all?"
I'm guessing Evan has never parked at a hospital during his time here? 😁
it’s funny tho that we complain abt paying for parking when it could be a whole lot worse
The thing is, the hospitals still have to pay to build the multi storey. Which costs a lot. And they need to find that money somewhere, and it shouldn’t come out of patient care. And at some of the hospitals I worked at, people used the hospital car park to go shopping as it was the cheapest car park in town. So the actual sick people and staff couldn’t park for people shopping. 😡
Most hospital car parks are actually managed by private companies so that money doesn't even go to the NHS!
@@andiematrix9082 Very often, yes. Because then the hospital doesn’t have to find millions to build a car park. Get someone else to take the initial cost and make the money back. It’s just a better way to use what little money they have.
Both of my local hospitals have free car parks in addition to paying ones.
Thank goodness I’m Canadian where we care for each other by spreading the health care costs out through the taxation system. Eight hours of cancer surgery, stay in intensive care, ambulance ride, recovery and home care…total out of pocket to me zero. We don’t quite have fully covered prescription drug costs yet but it’s coming. It’s called a compassionate society.
I live in the US! One of my medications is name brand only here and is $1600 a month without insurance, and about $60 a month with insurance (after my doctor does some stuff with insurance), but I can get 100 pills (roughly 3 months worth) from Canada for basically a dollar a pill! Worlds better than my current situation!! Anything’s better than the US’ crazy pricing for medications and stuff!
Just to clarify that ambulances are not usually covered and some provinces charge multiple hundreds of dollars. Some provinces have a fixed rate that is affordable so it’s not a deterrent to call the ambulance.
@@amyseaden9069 in Ontario at least transfers between hospitals are at no cost to patients and the last time I had to take a senior from a retirement home to hospital I think it was $25. And at that, since it wasn’t an emergency, the driver took a slightly longer route as it was less bumpy for the patient.
@@qwincyq6412 Yes if the hospital requests the transfer it is free. Ambulances cost $45 in Ontario if deemed medically necessary and $225 if not. Not all provinces are so inexpensive.
@@amyseaden9069 It's because ambulances are not classified as important service like police and fire. So it's a big mess with it in the US.