People are talking about how this sounds like a hidden track in Signals, but it sounds more like a mix of Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows to me.
This is cool. It's like discovering a hidden track from the Signals CD. The instruments, and their style of playing sound like a glimpse of that period for them. It almost reminds me of a Max Webster collaboration. Thanks for sharing!
We were getting a little bored with inactivity. During the mixing of "Exit... Stage Left" there was really not much for us to do except say "it sounds good" or "it doesn't sound good". I had been working down in the little studio, cleaning and renovating an old set of Hayman drums that were kicking around, and had started working on a "Jack Secret" song with Jack and Skip from the crew. Geddy and Alex soon joined in on keyboards and rhythm guitar, and we later recorded the song ("Tough Break") up in the studio. ... - Neil Peart This song is the bonus track by "the fab pros" on the bootleg Power Run.
As far as I can remember, the line-up for this song is: Jack Secret-vocals and bass Alex Lifeson & ??--guitars Geddy Lee--keyboards and backing vocals Neil Peart--drums
From Signals tourbook: "I had been working down in the little studio, cleaning and renovating an old set of Hayman drums that were kicking around, and had started working on a "Jack Secret" song with Jack and Skip from the crew. Geddy and Alex soon joined in on keyboards and rhythm guitar, and we later recorded the song ("Tough Break") up in the studio. "
cool video. Fun tune, especially the last 1/3rd when the tempo picks up and you can really sense Rush's DNA all over it, even if it was the roadie's song.
Don't kill the messenger, but being a RUSH fan, as I have for a few DECADES now, this just doesn't have the same kick of old. It's not bad, but it's not up to the level of greatness these guys are capable of... I still vote thumbs up but this song won't make my "rotation " or top song(s) list , I am afraid to say.
Well 'Subdivisions' was birthed at the same time as this song (it's from that autumn 1981 period where they toured Europe playing Moving Pictures as well as road-testing 'Subdivisions'). It sounds like Alex is playing the black Strat' & Geddy with his Mini-Moog & Oberheim OBX or 8-voice!
I don’t know if this is considered “ pop main stream” of 82’ . BUT if Neil had have done a “ pop” song , it would have been like this , so simple , but his style still rings through . R.I.P professor . ❤
Jack Secret is a nickname for Tony Geranios (i believe he was Rush's keyboard tech circa Power Windows) Skip Gildersleeve was with Rush's crew for many years. He held many positions over the years. I don't think this song has anything to do with Rush. They did play with Max Webster on the Universal Juveniles lp in 1980, but I'm not sure about this one. I could be wrong.
Mr. Geranios, er...Jack Secret has been nice enough to upload this and other tracks to his Myspace. Just promise not to laugh too hard at the fact he it's a Myspace.
Hey man this is pretty good.All these folks knocking this should appreciate this as a fan.It is just a jam session.Nothing serious.I think it would have made a good side project.
Hey Ratchetfan2007, please include this in the description. I will explain more to these folks who are flaming about this tune. "I had been working down in the little studio, cleaning and renovating an old set of Hayman drums that were kicking around, and had started working on a "Jack Secret" song with Jack and Skip from the crew. Geddy and Alex soon joined in on keyboards and rhythm guitar, and we later recorded the song ("Tough Break") up in the studio." - Neil Peart
If this is Rush, then it's Ged on Drums, Alex on Bass and Neil on guitar. I reckon this is more likely to be Rush's roadies having a crack at something....
As I understand it; Jack sang, Skip played bass while Ged and Alex played Keyboards and guitar. The drums you hear are played by Neil who was renovating a set that was lying around the studio.
I wonder if anyone realizes that Rush did most of the instrumental stuff when they say "This sounds like crap!!", The only difference is that Geddy isn't the singer (nor perhaps the bassist?), but you can tell it's Geddy doing the background vocals at 2:00. So don't disrespect the music! The lyrics are indeed cheesy and the singer doesn't fit into what is basically an unreleased Rush track, but I believe that overall this is still a good song..
though very power synth(80's rush or anything else) it's not Rush without Geddy's tea kettle voice.(mellowed in '80's it was) sounds like Parson's Project, and they are as good as APP!
It's not really a "Rush Song" It's a Jack Secret song, Geddy and Alex helped out with keys and rhythm guitars. Neil played drums for all of Jack's/Tony's tracks.
I get that’s it’s not technically a Rush song, but does have Geddy, Alex AND Neil all playing. So to me it’s basically a Rush song. It sounds more like Rush than anything on Geddy’s or Alex’s solo albums if you ask me……..
@tumcast 2/4/09 he added to information is what he means. This is Rush but it features Jack Secret as lyrics and synth. The song does not have Geddy Lee and was a short recording that was never published by the band. Parts of this later became subdivisions.
@Delgift This is all I know about this song Aprox 1980, it was just before Signals came out and was the first song they began to work on from the album, it would later become Subdivisions. As for the Singer don't know but Geddy wasn't there when this song was being worked on initially.
I hate to correct the person who uploaded this video, but if you pause the video and look at Neil's bass drum, its from the Roll the Bones tour or rehearsal
@MqZane I never said it was the same, simply that it became... note simmilarities around 2:27 (to clarify, definatly not identical, but simmilarity is there) and a few of the cords used in this song are very simmilar to the ones in Subdivisions. Sorry that there are few to no reliable sources and I don't have a "Signals tour programme"
Now this is definitely a RASH song. They made a metaphorical BATTLESCAR on By-Tor as keyboard guru Tony G gave a GRAND FUNK RAILROAD/PAUL RODGERS performance. And man up - Peart would never write this kind of lyric.
It's really hard to sit and hear this guy sing, instead of Geddy. Still, the music is clearly rush. Listen from 2:55 through 3:21and tell me it's not Rush. Of course it is. Just like the Battlescar song they did with Max Webster's group. A true Rush nut like me still wants this in their collection.
Everyone should keep Jack Secret (a secret). This song sounds like crap! It starts out sounding like the police,and not a good sounding police, and ends up sounding like a cheesy bar band at 1:45 in the morning.
this sounds like right in the middle of signals and moving pictures they should of used the song but with geddy and not cheassy 80's lyrics and neils lyrics
Davie Henry nah, it’s rush, but it’s just one of the roadies on vocals and another on bass. Geddy’s on keyboards, Alex on Rhythm guitar, and Neil on an old kit that was laying around the studio. Just a little post-production jam they did
What is cool about Tough Break is that even when the boys are merely dickin around the studio they STILL blow away everybody else! :-) I love this!
People are talking about how this sounds like a hidden track in Signals, but it sounds more like a mix of Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows to me.
Tony - Bass and Vocals
Skip - Lead Guitar
Alex - Rhythm guitar
Geddy - Keys and Backing Vocals
Neil - Drums
Tony who?
@@felipearancibia8872 Geranios
Who is skip?
@@toekneemarz8824 Gildersleeve
This is cool. It's like discovering a hidden track from the Signals CD. The instruments, and their style of playing sound like a glimpse of that period for them. It almost reminds me of a Max Webster collaboration. Thanks for sharing!
Definitely a Signals feel. Also reminds me of Vital Signs feel (which also has a Signals feel)
The Max Webster colab was done a year before this i believe
This singer proves that Geddy Lee is the best singer for Rush!
Really. Could you imagine? I've never thought of that before, but it is totally friggen true.
Daj spokój, ten człowiek nie ma pojęcia o śpiewaniu. To tylko ekspresja. Ot, kuzyn Axla W Rose'a. Gdzie mu do Geddy'ego?
@@pawemulak2878 Hehe, racja.
@@olganesterowicz Instrumentalistów da się zastąpić bez zauważalnego uszczerbku dla brzmienia, wokalisty - nigdy
Love Alex's guitar sound on this. Outstanding.
We were getting a little bored with inactivity. During the mixing
of "Exit... Stage Left" there was really not much for us to do except
say "it sounds good" or "it doesn't sound good".
I had been working down in the little studio, cleaning and renovating
an old set of Hayman drums that were kicking around, and had started working on a "Jack Secret" song with Jack and Skip from the crew. Geddy and Alex soon joined in on keyboards and rhythm guitar, and we later recorded the song ("Tough Break") up in the studio. ...
- Neil Peart
This song is the bonus track by "the fab pros" on the bootleg Power Run.
Was Skip doing anything on this, he was a friend of mine from LP...
First listening today. Big grin on face!
@@lpjbird Skip played rhythm guitar. In fact he was the first one jamming with Neil.
@@tonygeranios1138I love this song. Everyone always says there’s no rush “vault” recordings. But I consider this a vault recording.
@@ruthylopez Thank you Carlos. Working with these guy's was a wonderful way to go through life.
You can hear the influence of the Po-Po...tha Police ! THat would be a mega tour of the ages. The two best power trios of all time
You can hear shades of the upcoming Signals and GuP here.
Love that Geddy synth at 2:26
I met Jack Secret a few days ago. He's a really nice guy really :)
As far as I can remember, the line-up for this song is:
Jack Secret-vocals and bass
Alex Lifeson & ??--guitars
Geddy Lee--keyboards and backing vocals
Neil Peart--drums
Was Skip playing guitar?
Jr Bondy Yes, that’s who I forgot. It’s Skip.
Adam Dean , thanks he was a friend of mine from LP, we grew up together, great kid...
This is actually a great song lol.....the instrumental from 2:00 to 3:20 sounds really good and fits into this tune very well.
Kinda has a pink Floyd vibe(except the drums)
From Signals tourbook:
"I had been working down in the little studio, cleaning and renovating an old set of Hayman drums that were kicking around, and had started working on a "Jack Secret" song with Jack and Skip from the crew. Geddy and Alex soon joined in on keyboards and rhythm guitar, and we later recorded the song ("Tough Break") up in the studio. "
I did the song all around. Idk why so many folks are knocking the singing. He’s got my approval! Actually, he almost sounds like Pat Travers.
I've been waiting to hear this song for decades. Thanks. Pretty cool.
This actually isn't bad! LOL! Unmistakable Rush guitar sound as well.
All instruments sound great. Those drums are so I unmistakenly Neil.
I've been watching Rush videos almost daily on RUclips since it started, and FINALLY I get this in my recommendations.
cool video. Fun tune, especially the last 1/3rd when the tempo picks up and you can really sense Rush's DNA all over it, even if it was the roadie's song.
Listening to this for the first time on Rush Day 21/12/2021
2:05 got a little alan parsons vibe going..
And sounds like the Fixx at the beginning.
I'm impressed. Obviously it ain't Rush, but I'll be damned if it ain't Rush! Where has this been all my life??? Tasty stuff!
Don't kill the messenger, but being a RUSH fan, as I have for a few DECADES now, this just doesn't have the same kick of old. It's not bad, but it's not up to the level of greatness these guys are capable of... I still vote thumbs up but this song won't make my "rotation " or top song(s) list , I am afraid to say.
How 'Signals' is that synth and guitar?!
Well 'Subdivisions' was birthed at the same time as this song (it's from that autumn 1981 period where they toured Europe playing Moving Pictures as well as road-testing 'Subdivisions'). It sounds like Alex is playing the black Strat' & Geddy with his Mini-Moog & Oberheim OBX or 8-voice!
Tony Geranios on vocals? Not a bad singing voice.
thish shouldda been like a bonus track on signals or somethin. sounds like subdivision's long lost brother.
I don’t know if this is considered “ pop main stream” of 82’ . BUT if Neil had have done a “ pop” song , it would have been like this , so simple , but his style still rings through . R.I.P professor . ❤
Great track! And its so good it should have been like a b-side or hidden track!
Even for a studio fuck-around song, it's still great. That's Rush for ya.
Alex Lifeson on tuba.
Jack Secret is a nickname for Tony Geranios (i believe he was Rush's keyboard tech circa Power Windows) Skip Gildersleeve was with Rush's crew for many years. He held many positions over the years. I don't think this song has anything to do with Rush. They did play with Max Webster on the Universal Juveniles lp in 1980, but I'm not sure about this one. I could be wrong.
Mr. Geranios, er...Jack Secret has been nice enough to upload this and other tracks to his Myspace.
Just promise not to laugh too hard at the fact he it's a Myspace.
One of the rare instances of Geddy doing harmony vocals it sounds like
There are no Geddy vocals on this
yes there is.@@johnsmith7140
@@johnsmith7140 You are wrong.
@@tonygeranios1138 I stand corrected. Thanks, Tony.
@gravultrabasser I would proudly wear a t-shirt that says, "Needs More Weinrib".
Thompsongs so would I
wow. thanks, man!! appreciate your awesomeness. now that we have that cleared up....we're done here.
The first 23 or so seconds right up to when the vocals start sounds so much like a Police song
They were definitely listening to a LOT of the Police at the time.
How can anyone not like this song?!!!
Hey man this is pretty good.All these folks knocking this should appreciate this as a fan.It is just a jam session.Nothing serious.I think it would have made a good side project.
Uh, not mentioned here: Jack wrote the song!
I think his vocals are pretty damned good myself..This could have been a good side project for the guys.
I totally agree!
Hey Ratchetfan2007, please include this in the description. I will explain more to these folks who are flaming about this tune.
"I had been working down in the little studio, cleaning and renovating
an old set of Hayman drums that were kicking around, and had started working on a "Jack Secret" song with Jack and Skip from the crew. Geddy and Alex soon joined in on keyboards and rhythm guitar, and we later recorded the song ("Tough Break") up in the studio."
- Neil Peart
If this is Rush, then it's Ged on Drums, Alex on Bass and Neil on guitar. I reckon this is more likely to be Rush's roadies having a crack at something....
Ged on drums? Stop smoking dog shit and get back to your kazoo lessons pal!
As I understand it; Jack sang, Skip played bass while Ged and Alex played Keyboards and guitar. The drums you hear are played by Neil who was renovating a set that was lying around the studio.
@RedElephantStampede Yes, it was produced shortly before Signals came out and parts became Subdivisions
That is indeed NP on drums, or a very very good imitation of his style. It has the Signals-era sound.
I wonder if anyone realizes that Rush did most of the instrumental stuff when they say "This sounds like crap!!", The only difference is that Geddy isn't the singer (nor perhaps the bassist?), but you can tell it's Geddy doing the background vocals at 2:00. So don't disrespect the music! The lyrics are indeed cheesy and the singer doesn't fit into what is basically an unreleased Rush track, but I believe that overall this is still a good song..
though very power synth(80's rush or anything else) it's not Rush without Geddy's tea kettle voice.(mellowed in '80's it was) sounds like Parson's Project, and they are as good as APP!
I really wish they put this song on signals. With geddy singing of course
pryt86 It does sound like@3 Signals (synth solo, atmosphere)/GUP (intro)
Hmm…a good idea to try with A.I. technology someday!
YEAH~~~
It's not really a "Rush Song" It's a Jack Secret song, Geddy and Alex helped out with keys and rhythm guitars. Neil played drums for all of Jack's/Tony's tracks.
I get that’s it’s not technically a Rush song, but does have Geddy, Alex AND Neil all playing. So to me it’s basically a Rush song. It sounds more like Rush than anything on Geddy’s or Alex’s solo albums if you ask me……..
Damn...2:48. Alex looks darkly, dangerously delicious.
I like the crackle of neils snare on this track. cool track. voice sounds good. a lil like g. therogood.
Just in case you didn't know...that shot is in the Moving Pictures album jacket sleeve
@tumcast 2/4/09 he added to information is what he means. This is Rush but it features Jack Secret as lyrics and synth. The song does not have Geddy Lee and was a short recording that was never published by the band. Parts of this later became subdivisions.
Totally untrue
what?
@pjammana The singer was Rush's old guitar and keyboard tech Tony Geranios
I can see why this was not released... but kinda funny to hear though.
god i love that growl of the ric
@Delgift This is all I know about this song
Aprox 1980, it was just before Signals came out and was the first song they began to work on from the album, it would later become Subdivisions. As for the Singer don't know but Geddy wasn't there when this song was being worked on initially.
This is the song that led to Subdivisions
Nope
pretty sure it's Geddy's keyboard tech, singing. Nickname is Jack Secret. Not Kim Mitchell.
Is this Max Webster (Canadian band and friends of Rush)? Rush played on their song Battle Scar - I don't think this is Rush but they are great.
I hate to correct the person who uploaded this video, but if you pause the video and look at Neil's bass drum, its from the Roll the Bones tour or rehearsal
@MqZane I never said it was the same, simply that it became... note simmilarities around 2:27 (to clarify, definatly not identical, but simmilarity is there) and a few of the cords used in this song are very simmilar to the ones in Subdivisions.
Sorry that there are few to no reliable sources and I don't have a "Signals tour programme"
SAME HERE!!
Ahhh thanks :)
Which album is this a part of? Can't find this anywhere. Must be an unreleased single.
it's Max Webster or Kim Mitchell.Gotta be (A).
What happened to Liam Birt?
Cool song. I wish that Rush would have reworked this and released this with Geddy signing..
They did. This is the beginnings (humble though it may be) of what eventually became Subdivisions. And now your mind is blown......Rush on.
@@ruthylopez lol no
Signals production
Now this is definitely a RASH song. They made a metaphorical BATTLESCAR on By-Tor as keyboard guru Tony G gave a GRAND FUNK RAILROAD/PAUL RODGERS performance. And man up - Peart would never write this kind of lyric.
Was this during the Signals era (circa '82-'83?)
Recorded one evening in September 1981
I also really like the picture at 3:20. A RARE shot indeed: Geddy Lee circa late 70's or very early 80's and with a Fender, not a Rickenbacker!
That pic it's from moving pictures album artwork, 1981 when geddy started using the fender jazz bass.
great pics. its hard to believe sometimes that Rush is still making music and touring!
No more
It's really hard to sit and hear this guy sing, instead of Geddy. Still, the music is clearly rush. Listen from 2:55 through 3:21and tell me it's not Rush. Of course it is. Just like the Battlescar song they did with Max Webster's group. A true Rush nut like me still wants this in their collection.
this song is fuckin awesome
Okay, so this is really a Jack Secret song featuring Rush, then, right? It sounds pretty cool, a basic old school rock tune.
What the hell is the picture at 1:01 ?? :O
haha yeah!
Dude in the middle looks like Michael Anthony from Van Halen.
not bad at all
i actually quite like this song
the synth sounds like geddy
It's Tony Geranios (Jack Secret) , not Skip Gildersleeve
All due respect but Peart does not state that Ged is on the recording he does say that Ged and Alex soon joined in. Have a good one!
Would of liked it more if Geddy sang it, i don't care for Jack Secrets vocals, but hes not bad
Everyone should keep Jack Secret (a secret). This song sounds like crap! It starts out sounding like the police,and not a good sounding police, and ends up sounding like a cheesy bar band at 1:45 in the morning.
Parts of the song resemble "Stand or Fall" by The Fixx
the backing vocals sound quite like subdvisios because this song got turned into subdvisions
rush rules!
Thumbs Up If you agree!
the guy singing is geddy's guitar tech
When was this recorded and why is this dude on vocals?
lol, definitely
this sounds like right in the middle of signals and moving pictures they should of used the song but with geddy and not cheassy 80's lyrics and neils lyrics
and I'm referring to the picture at 1:01
Eiderwine....You hace just proven that stupid can not be fixed!
Just wondering, what's MitA?
I haven't missed much by not ever hearing this before now....
Who is this because it's not Rush.
Davie Henry nah, it’s rush, but it’s just one of the roadies on vocals and another on bass. Geddy’s on keyboards, Alex on Rhythm guitar, and Neil on an old kit that was laying around the studio. Just a little post-production jam they did
who played bass?
And the one in the desert at 2:00 . Wtf?
Who WROTE this song????
its Max Webster
during Moving Pictures
Why is this guy singing? Did the want to add a singer or something?