Can Lyn Beat EVERY Class In Fire Emblem?
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- Опубликовано: 25 апр 2024
- I used FE Builder to make a gauntlet map to test gba fire emblem characters against every other class in the game. This installment features Lyn as our champion, and we can compare her performance against Roy, Lilina, Hector, Ross, and all the future units we will test in the gauntlet.
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If you're doing another Lord run - gotta see what ephraim can do. See what happens when he doesnt get to pick his fights
"I don't pick fights I can't win."
"What about if you don't have a choice?"
*Ephraim sweats nervously*
He shouldn’t do another lord run;
He should do a Seth run
@@someoneirrelevant6815Nah, make it Amelia but a General
@@delllee4915I mean maybe my levels were just good but my Amelia was a BEAST
This is exactly what would go through his mind
Okay we've had Lyndis, now let's see Mark, the tactician.
Villager- Finally a worthy opponent!
It's just brown haired Robin
But...isn't that just a proxy for the player?
@@optimaltt6070 Right you are!
@@optimaltt6070 you're not wrong but the player is Dora the Destroyer
So basically what we learnt is that the Mani Katti is stronger than an Iron Sword, and that Wyverns are better than the Mani Katti.
This is canonically correct. 🗡️ < 🐉
I think the reason people like Lyn other than dodge-tanking creating an attachment fear of losing her and *ahem* aesthetic reasons, is that she comes with a 45 use effective damage killing edge.
As a unit, that might be it. Character-wise, she's usually the one talking directly to the player(or the tactician), so there's that, too.
Aesthetic, lol
Yeah, I like speed-based characters, so she's always been a favorite, plus I've actually had more luck with her in my games than someone like Hector (he tends to die a lot for me, while she dodges entire maps of enemies). Plus, she's the first Fire Emblem character I ever met (outside of Smash Bros), and I really enjoy her character.
Sadly, their are people who only like her for 'aesthetic' reasons... 🙄
Yeah, her animations are aesthetic. Tru. Tru.
Yeah, her animations are aesthetic. Tru. Tru.
Lyn did WAY better than I thought she would. Dear Lord, the crits lol.
It was a fun time, the crits were great
Of course she did. Honestly, he could defeat some of them by waiting instead of attacking, thus removing the risk of being hurt twice in a single turn.
I think this video perfectly summarizes the appeal and drawbacks that Lyn have as unity. Her strength, defense, hp and res are all incredible lacking unless she is blessed so you will be relying a lot on dodges due to her high skill and speed.
The ManiKatti with the effective damage and high crit are an attempt to fix her flaws but without the effective damage Lyn has to always relying on luck(be dodges or crits) to kill her opponents and survive combat. But her stylish animations(specifically her crit animation) just incentive you to gamble more with her, so people that get lucky with her(as the video show) have an amazing time with her but the ones that get unlucky basically hate her to death 😅
Tbf, the triple effectiveness is entirely intended too. As far as I know, JP FE7 goes by the same rules as FE8 does everywhere, with triple effectiveness for normal weapons and double for legendaries.
How about letting Pent or Athos run the gauntlet. We move us a broken sage
Would need to be against a promoted gauntlet tho
@@jamestdfm I'd love a Promoted Unit gauntlet. :D
And trying out Seth as well, considering he's one of the most broken Units you can get that is not the automatic win-button in the last chapter.
Also for a suggestion, let's do ephraim. See if he finally picks a fight he can't win
Go Lyn! For the next round, I'd really like to see how Eirika does.
LYN LYN LYN LYN
I think it is really funny that even with the incredible luck in the second run if the Mani Katt had correct stats she would have ended at the cav leaving her in last place, placing five spots behind roy. Lyn truly is a unit of all time.
True, the double effectiveness in fe7 really hurts
@@BadAtFireEmblemyeah, the FE7 localizers really screwed her over (the English version is the only one with double effectiveness)
Can't wait to see Amelia run the gauntlet.
Me: I really wanna see this video, I love Lyn.
Also me: I don't wanna see this video, I get the feeling Lyn will really struggle after taking out the axe users.
I think Lyn will do good, but she won't do as well as Hector, she'll REALLY struggle against the Knight in particular, if she gets that far. She'll do better with the Mani Katti, if she gets to the knight, she'll take them down no issue with that, but with an Iron Sword... But yeah, she's squishy, relies on dodging and doubling to really do much, as opposed to Hector, who'll just tank hits to the face and hit back hard. And yeah, I don't think giving her a Steel Sword would have done too much, since it would have slowed her down, and if you slow down a unit whose main strength is speed...
Giving her the Mani Katti is a different story, of course, it's the best Prf weapons in the game... one of the ones you basically start with, at least, let's just ignore that she doesn't start with it in her own story XP Kinda makes you wonder why games like FEH and Warriors make her use the Sol Katti instead.
Also makes me realise how... not-average my Lyns tend to turn out. My pre-premotion Lyns usually end up hitting the speed and skill cap, and usually have more def and res (usually around 8) and less strength (around 9-10), and a bit more luck (around 18).
"Brother... I'm sorry..."
Never knew Lyn had a brother /j
Lyn: Haha, Mani Katti go brrrrrr
Have you considered trying out a promoted gauntlet? Obviously you did fighter and pirate for Ross, but I mean actual promotions. Increased stat caps and a longer stretch of enemies to get through could be fun.
We'll get promoted units eventually, but I'm not fully decided on how I'll implement it yet
We'll get promoted units eventually, but I'm not fully decided on how I'll implement it yet
@@BadAtFireEmblemHave pre promotes run a gauntlet agaisnt promoted enemies, with both being at average level 20? With maybe steel or silver weapons?
Such a great idea. I'll be keeping an eye here from now on~
Bah, I thought she'd outperform Roy but it really shows how well they balanced stats vs weapon completely perfectly
Hector is the mascot icon and showed Lyn. Next videos will test Florina and Farina to see which of Hector's potential wives win? Though I imagine they'll both struggle with archers having effective damage (maybe give them the Delphi Shield as a prf run?)
Eliwood can wait
Yes, as always, requesting Florina too! But I'd be just as happy to see Farina instead, or triple-happy to see the three swarm in for a triangle attack or something silly.
(Earlier, he said a delphi shield felt unfair as it's a real drawback fliers live with, but that it would make sense to move the archers to the very end for them.)
Eliwood will likely do worst than Lyn, due to being somewhat of a middle point between Hector's absurb strength and tankiness, and Lyn's speed and dodging. So he generally ends up in 'jack of all, master of none' position. He is slightly better when promoted, but still.
Hector being the mascot icon though? He's usually shoved kinda to the back, like you have to UNLOCK his story in FE7 by doing Eliwood's story first.
This is a great series! I'd love to see Wil!
Told you Lyn would go far!
She did better than I was expecting for sure
Lyn my goat
It's WILD that Lyn had an actual decent chance of dying to the freaking soldier. He just needed to land 2 52%'s and that would be the end
She do be squishy
Honestly, you can defeat it by simply waiting instead of attacking. If he does hurt her, use vulnerary next turn, if not, finish him off. Either way, he will be dead after 2 rounds.
You know who I want to see? I want to see Oswin. It'll be funny to see all the physical attacks bounce off of him for the first handful of rounds.
Would love to see the videos with both the unpromoted and promoted classes, to we have how well Lyn does unpromoted, but I wonder how she would do against a fully promoted gauntles as a promoted unit herself
I haven't played much of this game, but it sounds like most of the issues with Lyn come from the fact the bonus damage has been reduced from x3 to x2 in the localization.
By making her deal properly x3 damage with her exclusive weapons, she sounds like a proper lord class, at least from this experiment.
Haven't seen any other video so I'm going to assume you'll do another run using their respective promotions so that'll be fun to see
Potentially at some point :)
@@BadAtFireEmblem Heck yeah!
I admit, she did indeed do way better than i expected. Which is probably more attributed to how op of a weapon the Mani Katti is rather than Lyn being good. (I still love you, my first Lady!)
It'd be interesting to see a promoted Gauntled with some of the more notoriously op Units you get, like Seth or Pent. I haven't played Fe6 but i think Ruthger is pretty strong as well?
How about doing a promoted gauntlet?
Oh and my suggestion is Rutger. Just found these and loving it so far. Has potential to be a long running and fun series!
Promoted at some point, I need to work out how to implement it best
I'm gonna keep cheering for Kent & Sain as the next champions. My beautiful boys!
We need Eliwood to round out the Elibe lords!
For suggestions I'd like to see Ephraim, Eliwood, or Rutger go. Especially promoted Rutger. There's a lot that could go on with that one in particular
Lyn with Mani Katti looks like any unit in engage with her ring equipped. Pretty strong HAHA
Would it be fairer to make the rooms a little bigger? Since Lyn attacks first against the solider but 2nd against the monk it means characters like the monk already start with an increased damage against her and others.
Love Lyn!!! Great video!!
how do you decide class order for the gauntlet? It seems like some units would really struggle with some classes, like Lyn struggling with lance users with the iron sword, but having a very easy time against the axe wielders later on
It's the same class order every time.
Look at the first video where he pit every class against every class and ranks them. They are ordered worst to best
@@velvetbutterfly I haven't seen the first video, so I wasn't sure if there was an actual reason for the ordering or not. Thanks for the info though
Love these videos
I wonder how eliwood's results would compare to roy, and also doing this with the units you've done so far but promoted would be cool
I think we need to see some spear units! Ephraim is my vote.
Another cool option would be for Gerik to get some love, was always a cool unit
I'm curious how Marcus would fair, if memory serves his FE6 and FE7 versions are a bit different too so maybe two runs?
Yep, its like that meme:
Fe6 Marcus is you,
Fe7 Marcus is the guy she tells you not to worry about
On the surface, I would say that Mani Katti Lyn is better than Roy. But much to my surprise, it’s fascinating that Lyn ties with Roy in 3rd place, so far anyway.
It’s cool that Ross is in second, Hector in first. The blue hair is strong!
My initial thoughts upon seeing this was: "She's going to get absolutely bodied by the knight if she makes it that far."
Now before I go and confirm that she dies on or before the knight, I'd like to make this suggestion for a future run: Athos. You don't even have to level him up either, but you do get the decision of what magic to give him.
Please I'd love to see my boy Raven take on this gauntlet. Between him and Hector, they carry most runs, I feel like.
Dorcas with poison, poisoned Dorcas, everyone on stream said they wanted it, you have to do it now
Her sword is great. Also is it not standard practice to play Lyn on Hard before doing Hector since he starts on a later chapter?
You can get a free Knight's Crest out of it
Most people skip it, but the option's there if that's what you wanna do :)
Have you thought about doing a Lord skirmish video, or would it be borin because of weapon triangle?
Maybe eventually 👀
@@BadAtFireEmblem would love to see it. Keep up the great content!
Christmas Nights!!!!
I want to see Fir. And Rutger for comparison, but as far as I remember there's a Resistance difference. Curious about that factor.
Just something to think about. If the RNG was particularly mean, Lyn dies in room 2. The worst part? It's not even unlikely to happen if you attack first. She probably should have gotten a score of 1, which is sad.
really looking forward to eventually seeing Nino go through the gauntlet
Just a thought, maybe edit the AI if possible so it’s stationary but still attacks like bosses? Some of the units get first strike with no counter like the Shaman which might affect results.
Would love to see Rath and Rutger! JAFFAR!
Not gonna lie, the Mani Katti carried Lyn in original FE7. This gauntlet more or less supports this idea.
We should watch Seth body the gauntlet just like he bodies all of sacred stones
I still really want to see how you would do a manakete like Fae, but if thats still a ways behind id love to see Ephraim.
I was expecting this video to be like 5 minutes, tops. She's a better combat unit than I gave her credit for, apparently.
I underestimated her too lol
If pre-promotes aren't out of the question then I feel like a seth run would be fun, one with a sword and one with a lance
Lyn bros we did it
I'd love to see Lyon run the gauntlet but idk how you'd deal with a unique class. Sorry if you've explained it previously, this is the first gauntlet vid I've seen.
It's something we could do much further down the line
Prediction: with just the standard sword, I think Lyn will get around 9, and with her Signature Weapon I'm betting on her going all the way!!!
Edit: I'm glad she almost made it all the way! Tied with Roy is a great place to be, imho.
Very close Brock! Good prediction
God I love these videos
Naww, fanks
I am so here for this! Lynn is a great glass cannon but I fear her output vs the wyrm knight and knight
Ouch she got mangled by the cavalier.
Ouch, she got mangled by the cavalier. Her luck was pretty poor.
@@mysteryshadow5based on what we saw, it looks like she got a bit better than expected RNG
@@rekenner Maybe, but as a Lyndis fanboy I must believe there is a conspiracy if she falls short. Even though I know she had little chance against the lance users.
I'd like to see Raven do this.
Sword unit that can dish damage and tank hits without needing any special weapons
Let's see how Wolt does, I'm ready to cry.
Get Myrrh in there!
Personally, I do not know how you stand on the matter but I think it could be interesting to throw some of the FE8 units up to bat that you can only get from tower like Lyon, Selena, Orson, or others.
I think it could introduce a fun perspective. Though if you are only focusing on fe6, and fe7, I wouldn't mind seeing how Raven or Karla perform
Eventually we'll do no non-vanilla/playable characters, but we'll got through a lot more of the normal units first
I would love to see Oswin!
If I could pick the order:
General Amelia
Eliwood
Druid Ewan
FE8 Twins in a twofer, Erika first and then Ephraim to compare them with and without their prfs.
Now I want to see a run where you do not just attack the enemy every 1st round, but actually check the dmg and defence of both units to see if ir is better to let the enemy attack 1st on enemy phase and then you only attack on the 2nd player phase.
Mostly when it takes 3 hits to kill an enemy.
Just mindlesly attacking will mean you take 2 hits from the enemy.
Letting the enemy attack 1st and then immediatly killing him on the 2nd player phase, will make it so you only take 1 hit instead of 2.
And I take it the stats are based on a fully average lvl 20 unit? If you have a 50% growth, with 19 leevel ups, do you get 9 or 10 of the stat?
We all know who I'm gonna call for next. And I know I'm the only one doing it, but some things need to be done. Let's get level 20 Knight Wallace in the gauntlet!
I want all the lords done in their promoted form as well, against promoted enemies I suppose
Ive already said this in a past video but I would love to see myrrh starting at level 1
Lyn is one of those units I actually don’t think is as bad if she gets some heavy investment rolling. The high spd and access to bows are pretty nice, even in binding blade, so it was fun to see her be mildly successful here today ahhahah!
I honestly think if she joined in chapter 1 or Eliwood/hector it would make a massive difference, having to wait till Whereabouts unknown to really use her, she's just underlevelled
Lyn needs the Mani Katti in order to be good, Hector just needs a normal axe and he soloes all
This is why he's my boi
Throwing in some lance-wielders, how about Franz or Giliam?
Ephraim for sure, if you're doing modded lords I'd like to see if Alm from Echoes does well.
I'd love to see an Athos run!
I'd like to see a Fa/Fae run, my fluffy dragon child
Let’s end off the fe7 lords time for eliwood
Its that time again. Asking for Gonzales. I wonder how bad his hit rates are gonna be against the generics.
Lyn did about as well as I expected, since since she really doesn't have good defense.
I'm still hoping to see Raven and/or Lucius since they always seem to carry my FE7 runs!
I kinda wanna see Raven tackle this. He’s always been a stable unit that I never felt had any glaring flaws
That's actually abiit right for her, I'm not really surprised.
She's a pretty decent unit. Not great but fair from bad.
I’m curious about what happened to Dorcas run
He killed everyone in one hit; That about how my playthought went.
He starts the run with poison
@@BadAtFireEmblem his mutton 🍖
Can you do Rebecca? She's my favourite character. I don't expect her to do well, but I want to see her compete.
Let's have an archer, like Wolt or Dorothy or Neimi or something, but with Gaiden style 1-3 range bows
i still think you should do this with a level one seth just to see how broken he is at base
Q: How far does Lyn get?
A: Roll the dice.
I wanna see Dorcas run the gauntlet next!
I honestly thought more people would suggest him cos he's such a meme
@@BadAtFireEmblem I think the meme kinda died sadly
I’d love to see my favourite awakening characters run a gauntlet if that’s possible because I love Henry
I'll open it up to non-gba units eventually :)
Seth is pretty insane, I wonder how he'll fair in the gauntlet.
I'd like to see a magic user go up against the gaunt. Canas is going to be my vote
Maybe unpromoted Rutger for the Gauntlet? Put his brokenness to the ultimate test. Maybe an iron sword run and a killing edge/Wo Dao run?
Up next should be the one and only Lance user Ephraim. He doesn't pick fights he can't win
Great video 👍
I vote for Hawkeye 🪓💪.
Thanks!
Love the Tour Guide pfp
Let’s get Ephraim in there!!
If someone clears the gauntlet, I think it would be fun if you dropped them into a map where all the enemies get to attack at the same time. Maybe give them Elixers instead of Vulneraries.
Hmmmm 🤔
I’m predicting 6 wins for base, 9 for promoted. Let’s see.
Edit: Was not expecting that. Mani Katti is really good.
Yeah she did well!
Would love to see Zephiel vs all promoted classes
Fe7 Zephiel yeah?
@@BadAtFireEmblem naturally
Really suffering with the 20 cap on speed. Seems the unprompted units that rely on 1 defensive stat (speed) are really at a disadvantage when maxed level compared to units like hector who can expect solid growth in almost all their stats by lvl 20
We gotta do Lute. She is superior, after all.