Conditions and lane choice play a factor in any sled race. Those chain case F7s were really fast in there glory years. I'm betting that XC 700 has a set up that works. Let's get that F7 some maintenance etc and have another round. Great video with the boys, cheers from Ontario
I know alot of F7 fans we're saying that it would eat up the XC 700.. but I knew that wasn't going to be the case. I never owned a XC 700 but my buddy did and it was a VES which are even a little bit quicker and we use to do drags up on our river and not much could touch them, the closest sleds to them was the F7 or triples on long runs.. alot of F7 fans are unfamiliar that the XC's are Big Block motors and they work very good.. coming from a Yamaha rider
Wasn't this year a liberty 700small block just like the 600, it's just before they put powervalves on it? I thought only the pre edge 700's were big blocks? Like 98-99
@nick no they are all big blocks only thing that changed was the cylinders with power valves and VES which gave them more power.. alot of people talk about the 220 jugs being the best but it's not true because they had more power in the later years... IN STOCK FORM.
@Shane Rose yes they are both quick, and I knew they we're gonna be pretty much even. Like I said we use to run ice drags years ago and it was a big event in our area in Canada here and I remember those stock XC's we're taking down modified sleds and F7's we're pretty evenly fast basically they lost just as many as they won when they lined up and it was fun to watch. Remembering those day's I knew the F7 wasn't going to walk away, that it was going to be close and the XC did win and so did the F7 just like back when we dragged them
I've been looking forward to this shoot out. Goes to show you that you don't have to spend gobs of cash to have a rocking sled. As always, thanks for great content.
awesome channel! thought that firecat would take that non ves Polaris! Polaris guy here but those old fire kitties would kick ass back in the day! thanks for the content! 👍
I bought an 04 F7 new, and buddy had an 02 XC 700 at the time. Both were bone stock with studs. He was a handful and beat me multiple times. The 02 700 was rumored to have some hotter timing in it vs later yrs. The F7 was a quick sled and showed its tail lights to many larger CC sleds, but that XC 7 gave me all I could handle. Both great sleds in there era.
Need to get the XC and the F7 on a lake or long field where they can stretch their legs, I think that's where the F7 will take it. Great video, that XC is quick.
The FireCat typically reaches 110-112mph. full out. I just watched a great video of someone doing just that on radar. The sled went by the fellow holding the gun only a couple feet away from that top end run. PLUS, the camera was also focused on the sleds speedo and reading the SAME MPH !! I always felt the newer Cat digital speedos in those years were pretty accurate. I own one (2004), and at absolute top end on a LONG lake......................110mph. (O: It's 140HP in a 521 lb. sled WET................it makes perfect sense.
I own 4 xc700 sp sleds and let me tell you they really do rip for 1999 models. Bought one and was floored first time i opened it up on some hardpack. I love what you guys do and i wished i had the resources to come hang out with you for a few days. As allways guys keep them videos coming because here in illinois my 7 sleds have seen no snow to ride on so im living Vicariously through your adventures! As far as this video is concerned.....NICE ONE!!!!! LOL
I feel ya here southwest Michigan nothing besides 1week around Xmas is only lake effect snow we got,it's been 7/8 years since we've had snow that didn't melt in two days,14 I think.
with that f7 you have to make sure the fuel pressure is correct 38-45 psi, some of these have way too much pressure due to clogged regulator, with everything else being good it would smoke that xc700,
Same, I’m in upstate NY and every year I say I’m gonna buy a sled and get back into snowmobiling, then then come February I’m glad I didn’t waste the money because we just don’t get snow. Hell our local lake didn’t even freeze this year (at least not well enough to trust riding on it).
Some F7's (dependent on year and chain-case drive) are super fast due to a number of things: 1. Fuel injected. 2. Front air pick up (colder and more flow). 3. 13.5 x 128" track vs. the Polaris 15 x 121" (an extra lug and studs on the ground at any given time and lighter rotating mass). 4. Higher stock head compression (more stock H.P.). 5. Weight (stock vs stock the Cat is lighter by about 60 lbs.!). I believe the the 2003 F7 stock HP is around 140. The 2001 Polaris XC 700 is around 120-125 (Not the SP). The reason that "Scooter's" sled is neck to neck with that F7 is simple, his sled (a 2001 XC 700 SP) has a VES type cylinder head from a 2001+ 700 (higher compression probably equaling a stock F7). Don't know what gas Scooter is running but with that head 91+ octane. If the XC could "cheat" some weight and have a similar track it would likely beat the F7 most runs (based on similar track conditions). Cheers from Caledon ON CANADA... love the content
Thanks Pete for the videos! Great fun and entertainment! I was cringing a bit when u were studding the cat up the middle thou cuz thats where the tunnel protector sits on the heat exchanger. Hope it works out ok. Taker easy!
The 2002 xc700 was so strong they detuned it the next year. The 98 was also quick. I don't remember anything stock (700cc) beating that sled when it came out, it dynoed @ 124hp with the early 220 torque ported jugs. The 2002 was outperforming their own 800's. I think the 03 firecat was the fastest 06 was also very quick.
I can't believe you guys are shocked at how fast them liberty Polaris are in the day those 700 and 800 could bring the mail and had above average for the time suspensions 🤓👍
Just saying , my Apex GT with mono suspension when it was stock back in the day , transfer Rod to max no studs good tight snow took out a lot of sleds from start to finish and on >>> . Add my 100lb girlfriend and it jumped harder !! Awesome video !
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Those are 2 good looking sleds. You gotta give them new 4-strokers their respect. Them 4-strokes came along why from what they use to be back in the day...😉😉😉
Only the SPs got it, unless you asked for it. We had 2 03 F7s and 1 440SPs brand new. That XC700 would never be seen at drags in stock classes. The F7s needed clutching and they are complete different animals, and removing the rear couplers.
@@romper4444 There was tons. We built them also. They can't touch a stock for stock 700s with clutching in 660' is what we dragged. 500' not a chance. 1000' the SRX 700 would run it down. Also if you don't know much about the 03s. There claimed 135hp, was more like 145/150hp with minor tweaks. Mod 700s and stock and mod 800 classes didn't like the chain drive 03s. DD machines were slow 05/06s. They needed alot of work to make quick, plus they were a bit heavier. We had many wedges, Gen 2s, pro X , IQ and IQRs. I even had a IQR with a cat motor. The polaris 700 is a reliable fast motor. But they needed a ton of work to make them layback block fast. Unless your in your game, and hitting a light all day long on that tree. The XC 700 wasn't worth its weight for speed. What the video is showing is a bone stock F7 with nothing done with a 13x1.25 track. It's like a chainsaw in the snow.
Awesome shoot out, I still own a 2003 pro-x 700. Still amazes me when I squeeze the throttle. But I also own a 2015 Sno pro zr9000 with some up grades done to it. No comparison, she likes to lift my helmet almost immediately when I squeeze her throttle, yeah she dangles!
what a blast, I would have lost money betting against that XC, I would have thought for sure, the F7 would have won every race...nice!!! Makes me want to get back into sledding
I love the older sleds, reminds me of good times when I was younger. I always wanted a F7 like that. Maybe I'll have to look around. Cheers from Wisconsin! 😎🍻
That F7 is one beautiful 👍 machine. Great video once again Pete. Thank you for your videos they got me into snowmobiles again after 15 years of leaving my machines sitting idol 🍺🍻🍺🍻🍺🍻
This looked a boat load of fun very evenly matched sleds it was nice to see something hang with scooter and win & the sidewinder is more Morden way more expensive so it winning is to be expected but I loved watching have a great week take care have a nice one 👊💨
Lets look at the whole picture, Its NOT the more modern part. It's the 65 hp. MORE part. (and I'm thinking that 4 stroke had some exhaust work by the sound of it)
Buddies wife turned into an Angry Beaver in 1999 , when he decided to go to Thunder Bay with me to ride the Luge , 18 miles of one way trails , on Valentines Day ! She divorced him , than he bought a faster snowmobile ! Silver lining !
Another great episode. Look forward to new episodes.Arctic cat guy love those F 7s and that’s a beauty you bought there. but I also love my Yamaha SRX sleds
I had a 1995 XCR600XLT SP. When I popped the hood, it lQQked like a S.L.P catalog had been thrown at it, which it had!..lol and I'd blow off the 700cc twins that came out a few year's later, the F7 with clutching was the only stock 700 with a can, class sled to beat me, a few sled lengths not much!..from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸🤠
Thing here is, you got a light weight (F7) @ 140 hp. vs. a new 205 hp. sled = quickest/fastest available today. (is that a stock exhaust note I hear??) I would be willing to bet that a NEW sled in the 'same engine class' as a 20 year old Cat such as in the presentation here, the owner of the new model may be greatly surprised out there on the lake. Outside of the suspension changes and added comforts, the new sleds have not come all that far when the track meets the snow. (O: I just watched a video about the Catalyst, and the presenter made mention about Cat's 'lay down' engine. Guess what, that 2003 F7 is when Cat INTRODUCED the lay down engine......yes, it is 20 years old now and appearing on a 2024 model ! At any rate, it is all in good fun anyway....thank you!
That was VERY interesting. My last sled was a Arctic Cat Powder Extreme 600 Triple. I had V Force Reeds installed, PSI pipes, the 1.6" lug track replaced with a 2.0" , plus K&N air filters ever before leaving the shop. Then I ended up having the heads milled .090. It was fast, but not probably as fast as those 3 sleds. Being a triple, I didn't hit my power band till higher RPM. Did pretty good in grass drags with it.
She's last winter but I gotta throw a little info note here. 6k miles is an extremely wise time for pistons and rings on a 2 smoke sled. 30 years of putting them back together tells me that is the average life cycle of the slugs. Russian roulette beyond that point 👉🏼. More studs = slower top end. F7 got a skinny track to reduce rotating weight with the extra length.
Thanks for the videos I love watching and I learn a lot about how to work on them. I love the older sleds but those newer ones are starting to rub off on me a little but I just love the look of the older sleds!! I have a 96 mxz 583 and I just love it!! Thanks guys for the videos keep um coming!!
We have a 94 Skidoo Formula Z583 121x1 that screams, 1995 Skidoo MXZ583 121x2&studs! We also have some early 90's Arctic Cat Mtn cat's 🐈, of various models! All with around 2000miles on them! I became disabled in 2003 and can't mechanic anymore, and disability pay won't allow me to take them to a shop!..
Exactly, only one video I just found recently where this was done. The F7 made it to 111-112 on the radar AND camera focused on the speedo reading the same!
I love to hang with you guys I love wrenching on things and you have a fridge full of my favorite beverage to bad your so far away ! You have inspired me to get my vintage Chaparral going again
Great Video... I was not surprised on the outcome. Those sleds can get it!. Thanks for another Great Video! How about a Shoot out with them 2 Sidewinders next lol! Cheers all, and Keep er Goin!!!
had a buddy that had a f7 same year as that one only i didnt like is that rear skid with only 2 wheels on the back they do make an update to make them 4 wheels. they are great riding sled though i must say
Bought the F7 for $2,000. Single owner so far so good, I've been a ski-doo guy since the 70's , but my buddy was killin me back in 03 -04' w his f7, he was beatin my Mxz 700 (2000) but he couldn't beat my Mach z 800 (1997) on the lake, I will say my ski-doo Mxz is better on trail than the f7.
I’ve been looking forward to this shootout also Pete. Nothing better than watching a new dangle video while waiting for my daughter to finish dance practice!😂
Oh by the way the headlight switch is built into your brake lever just push the brake lever forward that will swap it from high beam to low beam Nice video by the way. Nice one! Love this s***
I was the most loyal Polaris guy around and the 2003 f 7 with the cdi box with a triangle on it. mopped me up over and over. If the f7 lost put a real track on it.
Back in 05 I bought a 04 F7 snopro. I put 144 chisel tooth studs ., sucked down the Fox zero pro shocks put a can on it and I filled the flywheel key to get 6 degrees advance. Then I put a Thundercat primary spring and weights and cut fairly deep notches in the weights where the rollers contact the weights at idel which brought the weight almost back to stock but it engaged at 5300. Xc 700 were not worth racing I never even got beat buy an XCR 800. That Firecat would run 114 in 1000 ft. Back then the only Polaris sleds that could compete with Yamaha and CAT were full mods.
i rode a 1999 xc 700 some years back and it suprised me how fast it was. i hadnt rode much sleds at that point and it was a bit to much for me at the time to really use all the power it was almost scary. my brother had an 04 xc 800 and he said that thing was beating all the sleds he went against then as well. that would be a cool race to do
Nice! Have u had the secondary apart in the xc? What helix and spring? What about the primary, what weights n springs. I wanna see how a 2000 xcsp 600 ves does against scooter!
My dad used to use it was like an electric screwdriver but it was like a pointy nail instead of a Phillips or flathead and he would burn a hole through the track for studs
HA!....nice one Pete! I'm still sledless here in Mn....but relentlessly searching. We always rode Skidoos but I'm leaning more towards Cats. They want too damned much money
...for 20+ year old skidoos! I did find an '03 F7....not near as nice as yours...and WAY overpriced for the condition. ...still looking!! You guys are having TOO much fun!.....and I'm bored as hell! 🍺
too bad ya weren't closer...I've got that sweetheart of a cat ZR 700 still and thinking about letting her go 🤔. hope you find something sweet before the snows all gone! any sled that runs is a Nice One! lol 🤣 🍻
@@stevenbaker9327 What is over priced for an F7? I was curious because I have a mint 2004 F7 with only 800 miles. Got the pristine original cover as well. I paid $8600 back when I ordered it in '03....
@@rednecksdirtyhands going to check out an EXT on Sun. Nothing special but it runs and drives! A project sled that'll at least get me on the snow! Been melting fast here....but we've been known to get hammered here in Feb March!
Iv owned both depending on clutching both sleds r very fast. Actually believe it or not the XC 700 was a better performing sled than the the 800 XC. My father had a new sabercat 600 in 04. Another buddy had a XC 800 that 600 saber would eat up that 800. I know that cats stock clutching was a lot better than the Polaris clutching. When my father and i rode polaris we would always clutch ourselves and jet. Our polaris’a were always fast sleds. But anyhow great stuff keep up the great work. Thanks Josh.
700 big block non VES Polaris is very impressive...or that F7 is tired ..? Also i think the track setup on the Polaris is better ...XC 700 had better use of its power and clutching. A fresh F7 with proper track setup and clutching should gap the XC quickly. what did they look like across the lake WFO top speed?
Conditions and lane choice play a factor in any sled race. Those chain case F7s were really fast in there glory years. I'm betting that XC 700 has a set up that works. Let's get that F7 some maintenance etc and have another round. Great video with the boys, cheers from Ontario
thank you and cheers 🍻
what are the glory years
@@phoenixluke8132 before the triples died when sleds didn't cost more than bloody cars man!
@@phoenixluke8132 I have a 04 700 FC , I put 153,2 inch, fuel pressure regulator. Runs wicked and has tons of kms
😮😮 rrear.😊arez😊/😮😮😢😢
I know alot of F7 fans we're saying that it would eat up the XC 700.. but I knew that wasn't going to be the case. I never owned a XC 700 but my buddy did and it was a VES which are even a little bit quicker and we use to do drags up on our river and not much could touch them, the closest sleds to them was the F7 or triples on long runs.. alot of F7 fans are unfamiliar that the XC's are Big Block motors and they work very good.. coming from a Yamaha rider
Yeah the polaris has been played with its a shocker it even runs
Wasn't this year a liberty 700small block just like the 600, it's just before they put powervalves on it? I thought only the pre edge 700's were big blocks? Like 98-99
@nick no they are all big blocks only thing that changed was the cylinders with power valves and VES which gave them more power.. alot of people talk about the 220 jugs being the best but it's not true because they had more power in the later years... IN STOCK FORM.
Both are quick polaris was always fast when they dial them in. But those f7s are rockets man
@Shane Rose yes they are both quick, and I knew they we're gonna be pretty much even. Like I said we use to run ice drags years ago and it was a big event in our area in Canada here and I remember those stock XC's we're taking down modified sleds and F7's we're pretty evenly fast basically they lost just as many as they won when they lined up and it was fun to watch. Remembering those day's I knew the F7 wasn't going to walk away, that it was going to be close and the XC did win and so did the F7 just like back when we dragged them
I've been looking forward to this shoot out. Goes to show you that you don't have to spend gobs of cash to have a rocking sled. As always, thanks for great content.
those f7s are nuts. But if you are trail riding you are gonna feel every bump
Need to take that cat out to the lake and let her run that's where she will really shine!!
hopefully we will soon! 🍻
It doesn't matter which was quicker in the end, I'll never get sick of that F7 sound
The best years of sleds, bring me back
awesome channel! thought that firecat would take that non ves Polaris! Polaris guy here but those old fire kitties would kick ass back in the day! thanks for the content! 👍
thank you! cheers🍻
That black face on your Speedo means it’s an early build f7. First year 2003. What a gem. I own two late build 2003 myself
thanks for the info! 🍻
I bought an 04 F7 new, and buddy had an 02 XC 700 at the time. Both were bone stock with studs. He was a handful and beat me multiple times. The 02 700 was rumored to have some hotter timing in it vs later yrs. The F7 was a quick sled and showed its tail lights to many larger CC sleds, but that XC 7 gave me all I could handle. Both great sleds in there era.
Love this. Great friends poking at each other on whos sled is better. Ya don't have to grow up, ya just gotta grow old.👍👍👍
THOSE ARE GREAT WORDS TO LIVE BY😁😁✊✊✊
That Yamaha sounds like an irrigation pump
Need to get the XC and the F7 on a lake or long field where they can stretch their legs, I think that's where the F7 will take it. Great video, that XC is quick.
Totally agree! 🍻
The FireCat typically reaches 110-112mph. full out. I just watched a great video of someone doing just that on radar. The sled went by the fellow holding the gun only a couple feet away from that top end run. PLUS, the camera was also focused on the sleds speedo and reading the SAME MPH !!
I always felt the newer Cat digital speedos in those years were pretty accurate. I own one (2004), and at absolute top end on a LONG lake......................110mph. (O: It's 140HP in a 521 lb. sled WET................it makes perfect sense.
@@garysmith8455 you are right, those lay down 700 Suzukis were close to 140 hp stock. Those 700 polaris were barely 120 hp.
@@johnbabb1138 Thanks for your reply and agreeing on true history from back in the day (O:
Better check compression on that F7 😂 they aren’t too far behind my 113mph Edge Triple when setup right!
I had a 2004 Yamaha Warrior with some Clutch, Intake, and Jetting upgrades that ran about even with my buddies XC 700, and another F7!
Nice One! 🍻
I own 4 xc700 sp sleds and let me tell you they really do rip for 1999 models. Bought one and was floored first time i opened it up on some hardpack. I love what you guys do and i wished i had the resources to come hang out with you for a few days. As allways guys keep them videos coming because here in illinois my 7 sleds have seen no snow to ride on so im living Vicariously through your adventures! As far as this video is concerned.....NICE ONE!!!!! LOL
haha thanks! and Nice One!! cheers 🍻
I feel ya here southwest Michigan nothing besides 1week around Xmas is only lake effect snow we got,it's been 7/8 years since we've had snow that didn't melt in two days,14 I think.
with that f7 you have to make sure the fuel pressure is correct 38-45 psi, some of these have way too much pressure due to clogged regulator, with everything else being good it would smoke that xc700,
I think I would keep the 700's and the 18,000 bucks
At least someone's got snow ! I'm in CNY, have a vmax-700 & all I can do is watch ....lucky youz guys !
I think a stock F7 cat has a narrower track .
Same, I’m in upstate NY and every year I say I’m gonna buy a sled and get back into snowmobiling, then then come February I’m glad I didn’t waste the money because we just don’t get snow. Hell our local lake didn’t even freeze this year (at least not well enough to trust riding on it).
Some F7's (dependent on year and chain-case drive) are super fast due to a number of things: 1. Fuel injected. 2. Front air pick up (colder and more flow). 3. 13.5 x 128" track vs. the Polaris 15 x 121" (an extra lug and studs on the ground at any given time and lighter rotating mass). 4. Higher stock head compression (more stock H.P.). 5. Weight (stock vs stock the Cat is lighter by about 60 lbs.!). I believe the the 2003 F7 stock HP is around 140. The 2001 Polaris XC 700 is around 120-125 (Not the SP). The reason that "Scooter's" sled is neck to neck with that F7 is simple, his sled (a 2001 XC 700 SP) has a VES type cylinder head from a 2001+ 700 (higher compression probably equaling a stock F7). Don't know what gas Scooter is running but with that head 91+ octane. If the XC could "cheat" some weight and have a similar track it would likely beat the F7 most runs (based on similar track conditions). Cheers from Caledon ON CANADA... love the content
cheers 🍻
I had one of those xc 700s with a dyno port exhaust clutch an vforce reeds that thing was an animal
Sidewinder sounds like a messed up vacuum ! I ll take the older sleds over the hoover
THAT is pretty funny 😄
@@garysmith8455 it's true, they are faster, more comfy, just sound like a sputtering dyson
Owned a 2000 XC sp700 since new cages in reeds clutches cut and tuned its a dominant machine 107mph
Thanks Pete for the videos! Great fun and entertainment! I was cringing a bit when u were studding the cat up the middle thou cuz thats where the tunnel protector sits on the heat exchanger. Hope it works out ok. Taker easy!
haha thanks! it's all good 👍 cheers 🍻
The 2002 xc700 was so strong they detuned it the next year. The 98 was also quick. I don't remember anything stock (700cc) beating that sled when it came out, it dynoed @ 124hp with the early 220 torque ported jugs. The 2002 was outperforming their own 800's. I think the 03 firecat was the fastest 06 was also very quick.
I have a 98 xc700 and it rips, really fun sled😎
I can't believe you guys are shocked at how fast them liberty Polaris are in the day those 700 and 800 could bring the mail and had above average for the time suspensions 🤓👍
Really regret not buying my buddy's 04 rmk 151 700 liberty, she chooched!
Just saying , my Apex GT with mono suspension when it was stock back in the day , transfer Rod to max no studs good tight snow took out a lot of sleds from start to finish and on >>> . Add my 100lb girlfriend and it jumped harder !! Awesome video !
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thank you! cheers 🍻
Great video Pete. Love the 20 yr old sleds💪🏼
Thanks 👍🍻
Sweet video ! I’ve been waiting for this one . Had mixed thoughts on who would win . I think you would have been just fine without them extra studs .
Those are 2 good looking sleds. You gotta give them new 4-strokers their respect. Them 4-strokes came along why from what they use to be back in the day...😉😉😉
Another variable here is the track, alot of f7s back in the day were sno pros with the 1 3/8 track, which worked very very well.
Only the SPs got it, unless you asked for it.
We had 2 03 F7s and 1 440SPs brand new.
That XC700 would never be seen at drags in stock classes.
The F7s needed clutching and they are complete different animals, and removing the rear couplers.
@@mitchellandrew3318 maybe not at your drags
@@romper4444 There was tons.
We built them also.
They can't touch a stock for stock 700s with clutching in 660' is what we dragged. 500' not a chance. 1000' the SRX 700 would run it down.
Also if you don't know much about the 03s. There claimed 135hp, was more like 145/150hp with minor tweaks.
Mod 700s and stock and mod 800 classes didn't like the chain drive 03s.
DD machines were slow 05/06s. They needed alot of work to make quick, plus they were a bit heavier.
We had many wedges, Gen 2s, pro X , IQ and IQRs.
I even had a IQR with a cat motor.
The polaris 700 is a reliable fast motor. But they needed a ton of work to make them layback block fast.
Unless your in your game, and hitting a light all day long on that tree. The XC 700 wasn't worth its weight for speed.
What the video is showing is a bone stock F7 with nothing done with a 13x1.25 track. It's like a chainsaw in the snow.
I love watching these shoot outs especially with the older sleds. Like to see some type of obstacle coarse race.
Awesome shoot out, I still own a 2003 pro-x 700. Still amazes me when I squeeze the throttle. But I also own a 2015 Sno pro zr9000 with some up grades done to it. No comparison, she likes to lift my helmet almost immediately when I squeeze her throttle, yeah she dangles!
Very Cool! Really like watching older sleds be just as much fun. Still have my 2002 SX Viper (Love that sled!)
That was great to see the ending of this one going through the trees that fast reminded me of the good old days
good times! cheers 🍻
Awesome video as usual. F7s were my favorite sleds growing up, crazy to see they still hold their own. Thanks guys!!!
Right on!🍻
what a blast, I would have lost money betting against that XC, I would have thought for sure, the F7 would have won every race...nice!!! Makes me want to get back into sledding
The brake lever is the hi/lo beam, push it forward you’ll see👍 on the f-7
I love the older sleds, reminds me of good times when I was younger. I always wanted a F7 like that. Maybe I'll have to look around. Cheers from Wisconsin! 😎🍻
right on! cheers Wisconsin 🍻
That F7 is one beautiful 👍 machine. Great video once again Pete. Thank you for your videos they got me into snowmobiles again after 15 years of leaving my machines sitting idol 🍺🍻🍺🍻🍺🍻
that's awesome! thank you and cheers 🍻
This looked a boat load of fun very evenly matched sleds it was nice to see something hang with scooter and win & the sidewinder is more Morden way more expensive so it winning is to be expected but I loved watching have a great week take care have a nice one 👊💨
Lets look at the whole picture, Its NOT the more modern part. It's the 65 hp. MORE part. (and I'm thinking that 4 stroke had some exhaust work by the sound of it)
I loved this 700 shootout series. Keep up the great work!
thank you! cheers 🍻
That was cool to see your channel and the friends racing there sleds. Keep it right side up Boys.
Thanks 👍🍻
SUPER clean 03 Firecat 7 , Looking forward to how this ends , was my dream sled when it came out!
Great tuning in, I love watching these video. I think both sleds are still darn good finds!
I really love this channel, I wish I lived by u guys bc u seem like a great bunch to hang out with!
well thank you very much! cheers 🍻
Buddies wife turned into an Angry Beaver in 1999 , when he decided to go to Thunder Bay with me to ride the Luge , 18 miles of one way trails , on Valentines Day ! She divorced him , than he bought a faster snowmobile ! Silver lining !
Another great episode. Look forward to new episodes.Arctic cat guy love those F 7s and that’s a beauty you bought there. but I also love my Yamaha SRX sleds
You and me both! 🍻
Mother of God JP's Yamaha is Quick!! So are your both older sleds! Apples to Apples !! Nice vid!!
Thanks!!🍻
Entertaining video as always Pete, keep up the great work! 🍻
thank you! 🍻
I used to have one identical to that f7 but had a 144 track and tunnel extension put on it, that thing always screamed
I had a 1995 XCR600XLT SP. When I popped the hood, it lQQked like a S.L.P
catalog had been thrown at it, which it had!..lol and I'd blow off the 700cc twins that came out a few year's later, the F7 with clutching was the only stock 700 with a can, class sled to beat me, a few sled lengths not much!..from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸🤠
Nice One! cheers Wyoming 🍻
4:50 "Take it easy boys". That was funny!
Thing here is, you got a light weight (F7) @ 140 hp. vs. a new 205 hp. sled = quickest/fastest available today. (is that a stock exhaust note I hear??) I would be willing to bet that a NEW sled in the 'same engine class' as a 20 year old Cat such as in the presentation here, the owner of the new model may be greatly surprised out there on the lake.
Outside of the suspension changes and added comforts, the new sleds have not come all that far when the track meets the snow. (O: I just watched a video about the Catalyst, and the presenter made mention about Cat's 'lay down' engine. Guess what, that 2003 F7 is when Cat INTRODUCED the lay down engine......yes, it is 20 years old now and appearing on a 2024 model !
At any rate, it is all in good fun anyway....thank you!
That was VERY interesting. My last sled was a Arctic Cat Powder Extreme 600 Triple. I had V Force Reeds installed, PSI pipes, the 1.6" lug track replaced with a 2.0" , plus K&N air filters ever before leaving the shop. Then I ended up having the heads milled .090. It was fast, but not probably as fast as those 3 sleds. Being a triple, I didn't hit my power band till higher RPM. Did pretty good in grass drags with it.
Nice One! 🍻
JP looks like safety cone in that hilarious outfit . MAN that's one loud Getty up
She's last winter but I gotta throw a little info note here. 6k miles is an extremely wise time for pistons and rings on a 2 smoke sled. 30 years of putting them back together tells me that is the average life cycle of the slugs. Russian roulette beyond that point 👉🏼. More studs = slower top end. F7 got a skinny track to reduce rotating weight with the extra length.
Thanks for the videos I love watching and I learn a lot about how to work on them. I love the older sleds but those newer ones are starting to rub off on me a little but I just love the look of the older sleds!! I have a 96 mxz 583 and I just love it!! Thanks guys for the videos keep um coming!!
thanks for the support! cheers 🍻
We have a 94 Skidoo Formula Z583 121x1 that screams, 1995 Skidoo MXZ583 121x2&studs! We also have some early 90's Arctic Cat Mtn cat's 🐈, of various models! All with around 2000miles on them! I became disabled in 2003 and can't mechanic anymore, and disability pay won't allow me to take them to a shop!..
That F7 is fully equiped with the case of Bud Light! Beauty!
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Been waiting for this video! How about a long lake race with the XC, the SRX and the F7!!! Stretch them out!!
that would be awesome! 🍻
Exactly, only one video I just found recently where this was done. The F7 made it to 111-112 on the radar AND camera focused on the speedo reading the same!
Love your videos man and that sense of humor 😁👌 cheers from Sweden! We got some snow coming in tonigth 🤟😎🤘
that's awesome! cheers Sweden 🍻
I’ll buy that F7 if u decide to get rid of her 👍. Love the videos. Just the boys having a laugh. Nice one 🤙
haha well if I decide to let her go I'll let ya know! but I plan on Danglin it for a bit lol🤣🍻
Throw in some older mountain sled stuff. I have a 2000 summit that's a beast of a machine. Be fun for all of us
I love to hang with you guys I love wrenching on things and you have a fridge full of my favorite beverage to bad your so far away ! You have inspired me to get my vintage Chaparral going again
that's awesome! cheers 🍻
Sweeeeeet stuff Pete. Good showdown of some awesome old sleds !
Thank you! 🍻
Great Video... I was not surprised on the outcome. Those sleds can get it!. Thanks for another Great Video! How about a Shoot out with them 2 Sidewinders next lol! Cheers all, and Keep er Goin!!!
thank you! and yeah the sidewinder shootout would be a Nice One!! 🤣🍻
had a buddy that had a f7 same year as that one only i didnt like is that rear skid with only 2 wheels on the back they do make an update to make them 4 wheels. they are great riding sled though i must say
i’d love to see that winder and a new polaris boost race that’d be a show
that would be cool! people are sayin the new boost is faster than a stock winder, but I'd like to try one and see lol 🍻
That cat is a sexy beast and u can't go wrong with a badass jacket to match!! Checkered flag all day! Cheers bud;)
haha cheers! 🍻
They need to bring back those machines just because theyre great sleds.
absolutely!! 🍻
Gotta love old school sleds 👍🏻
Nice one Pete. I sure would love some RNDH merch...... Keep up the awesome videos.
Coming soon! cheers 🍻
It was great to see the showdown. Both sleds did well.
2000 to 2003 was a great year
Your my favorite RUclipsr.that was an awesome video bro. That was a fair race also. They both performed well.
that's awesome to hear! thank you very much 🍻
As a guy who owned an xc700 there is no competition, the F7 is in a different class properly tuned. An xcr800 has a shot, but the F7 is bananas
Bought the F7 for $2,000. Single owner so far so good, I've been a ski-doo guy since the 70's , but my buddy was killin me back in 03 -04' w his f7, he was beatin my Mxz 700 (2000) but he couldn't beat my Mach z 800 (1997) on the lake, I will say my ski-doo Mxz is better on trail than the f7.
I’ve been looking forward to this shootout also Pete. Nothing better than watching a new dangle video while waiting for my daughter to finish dance practice!😂
haha right on! 🍻
Better a full beer fridge then an empty one
Oh by the way the headlight switch is built into your brake lever just push the brake lever forward that will swap it from high beam to low beam Nice video by the way. Nice one! Love this s***
thank you! cheers 🍻
calling tech inspection on the XC. or it's the only XC 700 on the planet to ever beat an F7...anything is possible.
740cc's vs 700cc's🤔
Badass I had a Polaris 700 triple my cousin had a F7 I would walk off at 70+
Im doo guy but will admit those tuned F7s are giant killers when chiped an have a full exhaust an some gearing few sleds will beat it.
Good show man, Scooter's XC is dialed in to stay with that f7 NOW GET A TRIPLE 😎
Fyi, the firecat high beam is in the brake lever. Push it forward with the back of your hand
I was the most loyal Polaris guy around and the 2003 f 7 with the cdi box with a triangle on it. mopped me up over and over. If the f7 lost put a real track on it.
Glad to see I'm not the only one to zip tie the snow flap.
Back in 05 I bought a 04 F7 snopro. I put 144 chisel tooth studs ., sucked down the Fox zero pro shocks put a can on it and I filled the flywheel key to get 6 degrees advance. Then I put a Thundercat primary spring and weights and cut fairly deep notches in the weights where the rollers contact the weights at idel which brought the weight almost back to stock but it engaged at 5300. Xc 700 were not worth racing I never even got beat buy an XCR 800. That Firecat would run 114 in 1000 ft. Back then the only Polaris sleds that could compete with Yamaha and CAT were full mods.
That Yamaha sounds angry… what a fast machine ✌🏻
And here I am ripping a 40-year-old Exciter with half the horsepower 😅
i rode a 1999 xc 700 some years back and it suprised me how fast it was. i hadnt rode much sleds at that point and it was a bit to much for me at the time to really use all the power it was almost scary. my brother had an 04 xc 800 and he said that thing was beating all the sleds he went against then as well. that would be a cool race to do
Nice! Have u had the secondary apart in the xc? What helix and spring? What about the primary, what weights n springs. I wanna see how a 2000 xcsp 600 ves does against scooter!
THAT LEATHER JACKET IS 25 ADDED H P
My dad used to use it was like an electric screwdriver but it was like a pointy nail instead of a Phillips or flathead and he would burn a hole through the track for studs
Great coverage on two great sleds!!
Thanks!🍻
HA!....nice one Pete! I'm still sledless here in Mn....but relentlessly searching. We always rode Skidoos but I'm leaning more towards Cats. They want too damned much money
...for 20+ year old skidoos! I did find an '03 F7....not near as nice as yours...and WAY overpriced for the condition. ...still looking!! You guys are having TOO much fun!.....and I'm bored as hell! 🍺
too bad ya weren't closer...I've got that sweetheart of a cat ZR 700 still and thinking about letting her go 🤔. hope you find something sweet before the snows all gone! any sled that runs is a Nice One! lol 🤣 🍻
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What is over priced for an F7? I was curious because I have a mint 2004 F7 with only 800 miles. Got the pristine original cover as well. I paid $8600 back when I ordered it in '03....
@@rednecksdirtyhands going to check out an EXT on Sun. Nothing special but it runs and drives! A project sled that'll at least get me on the snow! Been melting fast here....but we've been known to get hammered here in Feb March!
Love your stuff
Let's go!!! On the way to 20k subs...great content
thank you! 🍻
Iv owned both depending on clutching both sleds r very fast.
Actually believe it or not the XC 700 was a better performing sled than the the 800 XC.
My father had a new sabercat 600 in 04. Another buddy had a XC 800 that 600 saber would eat up that 800. I know that cats stock clutching was a lot better than the Polaris clutching.
When my father and i rode polaris we would always clutch ourselves and jet.
Our polaris’a were always fast sleds.
But anyhow great stuff keep up the great work.
Thanks
Josh.
thank you! cheers 🍻
700 big block non VES Polaris is very impressive...or that F7 is tired ..? Also i think the track setup on the Polaris is better ...XC 700 had better use of its power and clutching.
A fresh F7 with proper track setup and clutching should gap the XC quickly. what did they look like across the lake WFO top speed?
Those 700 liberty motors are no joke!!!