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Another Kind of Chaos: The 1972 Democratic National Convention
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- The 1972 Democratic National Convention was different than it had been four years before, but was, nonetheless, merely a different kind of chaos.
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I was in the army then. McGovern promised to cut military base pay by half. Lost by a landslide, no s*#t. Brings back weird memories.
If RUclips still around for another 10 years. THG will have tons of history for 2024 alone!
Ahhhhhh 2024. And the Party that says democracy is on the line is going into a nominating convention where voters have no input on whom will be nominated. Glad to see the Democrats have gone back to their core values.....backroom deals and party elite deciding who should be the nominee.
I doubt our robotic overlords will allow that!
Big "if"
@@jake9705 Yeahhhhh Big if? Why do you think an asteroid will hit earth in the year 2029?
@@jon9021 The robotic overlords are busy trying to figure out how Cloudstrike keeps crashing their operating systems.
What I remember about this convention is a news report, where the reporter tried to explain the process. He concluded his report with, "So easy, any rocket scientist can figure it out."
I have the 1972 party conventions to thank for my discovery of the original STAR TREK. I was nine years old in New York and looking for something else...ANYTHING else...to watch on TV. I happened to hit channel 11...the rest, dare I say, is history.
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"The policeman is not here to create disorder. The policeman is here to preserve disorder." Granted Daley said that at the 1968 democratic convention.
52 years years later and we got that chaos down to a science!
So true 😊
This time the chaos was short lived and over with a couple of months before the Convention. For the Republicans, the chaos that has been going on for almost eight years ramped up like crazy AFTER their Convention this year. Interesting times indeed!
10:23 - "He [McGovern] had led the commission to end backroom deals, and yet had secured the nomination on exactly that type of deal."
Sounds about right for the American political process.
Agreed. McGovern basically said let's step into the other back room.
It's only gotten worse since then.
@YouveBeenMiddled , George McGovern who, like Lyndon Johnson and John Kerry, tried unsuccessfully to grift off his military service.
@@edwardloomis887Mc Govern was a WWII veteran with a very commendable service record. He never tried to run on it for political gain.
A 19th Century politician wrote that the person who called patriotism the last refuge of scoundrels had never encountered “reform”.
McGovern famously said of his democratization process: “I opened up the doors of the Democratic Party, and 20 million people walked out.”
Nicely done. You really have to be old enough to remember both the 1968 and 1972 conventions. 1968 was on the news due to the violence, and I remember the sheer boredom of the 1972.
Do remember the phrase “Ohio Passes!”? 1968 was the first convention I remember watching.
I don't really remember '68, but '72 was the both the first convention I actually watched and the last.
I remember ‘68 convention as a child growing up in the Chicago suburbs. I believe I remember seeing a news story with the Mayor telling the police chief, “shoot to kill” was authorized… with 1972, I was older but still in grade school. But I do remember it was only with one candidate in 2016, that big political flags with someone’s name on it…..
The amount of smoke in the convention center was extreme!
I was at the convention in Miami. My mother was a Wallace delegate and I was a 17-year-old who'd protested his speech during his visit to our hometown. Shook hands with a very shaken and wheel-chair bound Wallace during his audience with the delegation from Indiana at the convention a few weeks after the assassination attempt. Shook hands with my idol Muskie, and witnessed several speeches--Shirley Chisholm's, among others. Campaigned hard for McGovern against Nixon--shook hands with Nixon twice too a couple years later when he visited his grandmother's home. Interesting times to be around.
Thomas 'Tip' O'Neill quipped, 'I think our convention proceedings were co-opted by the cast from Hair.' 😊
Things were such that I wondered if Crocker Jarman - what a politico's name ! - the character running for the US Senate against Robert Redford in the '72 film 'The Candidate' - might show up ! LOL 😅
If not Pat Paulsen, again ! Wait, wasn't he there ? 😊
As Will Rogers said, “I don’t belong to any organized political party. I’m a Democrat.”
Reminds me of the song _Uneasy Rider_ by Charlie Daniels:
"Can you belive this man
Has gone as far
As tearing Wallace stickers off the bumpers of cars,
And he voted for George McGovern for president!"
Love that song.
What an interesting posting, It no longer seems strange to me how we got into the political mess we're in today, Different players, a little different set of circumstances, same mess. Oh well, that's politics.
To change the subject. You often ask for ideas of subjects. How about a "History of the "Intercoastal Waterway". I've not found anything compressive, and I'll bet that there are lots of folks that have never heard of it, or know why it was built. It' your call, but does deserve to be remembered.
That's a good idea, the intercoastal waterway would be a good video subject.
That's the Electoral College System and the tragedy it has caused with the Supreme Court appointments who Presidents who didn't win the popular vote of the people.
Intracoastal Waterway. Seemingly everyone calls it the "Intercoastal" - I assume because of the interstate highway system. the key part of the waterway is not that it connects states, but rather that it is inside the coast.
Tubbs and Crockett approve of that opening.
And those two fictional characters were nothing like South Florida law enforcement. Hollywood ruins everything they touch.
I had the same Miami Vice flashback!
@@francispitts9440 TV being fiction? You are so enlightening boomer Frankie.
@@emperorlondomollari5511 great comeback princess
@@francispitts9440 P3do Boomer hitting on me.
I was 13 in 1972, and after being a 9 year old seeing 1968, had lost interest in the whole show. So imagine how I feel now.
Younger viewers might have difficulty understanding how popular and controversial Archie Bunker was in 1972. Mad magazine had a back cover poster reading "Nixon and Bunker in '72." I still have a small red, white, and blue button reading "Back Bunker."
The execs at CBS insisted the show open with a warning/apology to the viewers for what they were about to watch. I think they greatly underestimated the ability of the average viewer to understand the show. Yes, there were things said that were offensive, even by the standards of the time. But somehow people were still adult enough to understand that the person saying them was a fictional character and there was no need to freak out and demand the show be taken off the air. It was a comedy, not news or the opinion of CBS or any staff.
@@christopherconard2831 And Carroll O'Connor, who played Archie Bunker, was an ardent Democrat.
Good Wednesday (Hump Day) History Guy and everyone watching
Absolutely love the Miami Vice-style intro for this video. Well done!
I use a program called Viddyoze, and that animation is called “Miami.” It seemed apropos.
As a US Coast Guard Veteran ... happy to see the USCG hat behind you !!
Thanks for your service Puddle Pirate! From a retired Navy Sailor..
@@RetiredSailor60 - Careful there, mate. He’s gotta be at least 6’5” tall so he can walk ashore if his canoe sinks.
Thanks for your service. USN Vet.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Coast Guard!
@@navret1707 LOL. True. Has to find me first! Thanks for your service Shipmate..
Coast guard is the only service who's mission is to save lives. The rest are used by politicians To kill people who never did anything to the united states not too much to be proud of there.
Very interesting video. I was a delegate to our state republican caucus earlier this year. It started early in the morning and went to midnight. I am grateful for the opportunity to have served. It really opens one's eyes to how the sausage is made
Look at you crushing it with topical history. Loved this
A camel is a race horse designed by a committee. It is interesting how some people insist the more complicate anything is means it must be good.
Fear and Loathing in 72, is Hunter S Thompsons best book and covers this election in detail. He got first hand details from McGovern and his campaign staff.
I'm sure they told him the truth and he double-checked everything. /snarkoff
Thank you for the very timely history of the Democratic parties nomination process. Please cover the history for the Republican party as well. The history of party political processes are very important generally and most particularly at this time in our history..
An historian who wears a bowtie trumps all other historians 9 out of 10 times.
1972 is the last time Minnesota voted for the Republican candidate. When Ronald Reagan won by a landslide in 1984, Minnesota and the District of Columbia were the only jurisdictions to go for Walter Mondale, a Minnesotan.
Pretty much on the wrong side of history since then....kinda like Biden
@@lagoonbaboon5147 Biden will be remembered like Jimmy Carter, a good man who tried his best with an impossible hand that'll only be recognized as such with retrospect. Some of his policies were great.
Who knows this year Trump wins in a 1984-style Reagan landslide.
To paraphrase Sir Winston… democracy is the worst system of government… except for all the others. When you hear stories like this, or (frankly) when you see our political situation now, it can be very tempting to want our candidates to be carefully chosen by a team of elite experts, but of course the inevitable consequences of that would be far worse…
Thankfully the US is not a Democracy but a Constitutional Republic.
Even the Pledge of Allegiance (...and to the Republic, for which it stands) and Battle Hymn of the Republic highlights this.
Communism is a form of Democracy. Our family fled Communism. Believe me, you do not want that.
Two parties are to off set each other. Sadly many years we had a uniparty ie Bill Clinton, Bush, Obama all establishment big government off shore our jobs and take our freedoms away leaders
@@Absaalookemensch this might shock you given how many people try to point this out. 1. a republic is a form of democracy. 2. the pledge of allegiance is like from the 1950s and has nothing to do with the government. It's a poem.
One of the biggest problems of our current political situation is lack of understanding, perhaps just believing what talking heads say instead of actually paying attention. For instance, there have been two candidates “carefully chosen” just recently. First Bernie Sanders was removed to pave the way for Hillary. And now, Joe shuffled out the back door as Kamala (or whoever they end up with) strolls in the front door. All courtesy of powerful Democrat elites. If I were a Democrat, and the candidate I voted for and subsequently won the primary was unceremoniously removed by powerful elites and replaced by someone who served their whims, I’d be upset. Look up the word “coup” which may explain this more succinctly.
@@AbsaalookemenschWe are both a Republic and a Representative Democracy. The Republic refers to the central government. Democrat refers to the will of the people to elect their representatives, and keep power to the individual states The founders used both republic and democracy interchangeably. They themselves were a group of people who were not elected themselves, but were trying to settle on a new type of government where the people would be better represented. Initially, the people did not vote for their senators themselves. That didn't change until 1913 with the passage of the 17th Amendment.
Those communist countries that call themselves Democratic Republics are not democratic in any way. They simply hijacked the word.
Reminds me of Hunter S. Thompson's writings about the 1972 DNC. At one point, Ralph Steadman told HST that he had to leave. Immediately. When Thompson asked why, Steadman pointed out a little sparrow jumping around the cars and chaos at the convention center. "See that?" he said.
He explained how this whole thing made him feel EXACTLY like that little bird, dodging huge cars, limos and busses to hopefully find a few crumbs to survive on. And that was why he had to go back to England. Right then. As quickly as possible. The event was literally making him feel like he was going to die.
I'm old enough to remember Watergate and the defeat of McGovern. It was an ugly election, with seeming catastrophes looming from Nixon's covert break-in at the DNC's DC offices in the Watergate complex. Ralph read the mood correctly.
Maybe the History Guy can clarify further. For the record, President Nixon had nothing to do with the break-in at the DNC. He did have knowledge of it after the fact, and participated in the ham fisted attempted cover up. Richard Nixon was smart but not smart enough disclose knowledge of the break in as soon as he learned about it. Whether he was set up or not, we will probably never know.
The more things change...the more they stay the same.
Dude! Awesome 80s inspired intro. Your designer got the style, the colors and the music perfectly.
Always wondered if RFK had waited to run in '72 how he would have done against Nixon .
Had to go back and read Humphries' wiki bio. Interesting man, at an interesting point in history. The story would be so different if he'd beaten Tricky Dicky. "Ifs and ands, and pots and pans, if piggies walked on ceilings! "
The real what-if about 1968: What if RFK had not been killed? He could have beaten Nixon and US history is fundamentaly changed.
THANK YOU for making a video about this convention! Somewhat obscure but very interesting.
Thank you!
Loved the Miami Vice esque intro
Al Smith was the Democratic nominee in 1928, not 1924. In 1924 it was John W Davis
History may not repeat. But, it echoes.
... repeats especially when the 'echo' will be bigger than the initial event.
"First time as tragedy, second time as farce..."
"...and it rhymes."
It's a circle; not a line
@@listercat1 Any cycle of history you can recognize ought to be broken.
I lived close to McArthur Park in Los Angeles during the 70’s
There would be almost weekly political gatherings by all the spectrum of political groups. But even being a kid, I started noticing the chaos of liberal groups. There was a smell of marijuana in the air; the people looked unkempt and even sometimes dirty. No children were present. Fistfight between them were common and they would interrupt speakers whom they did not agree with. Conservatives were easily recognizable because by and large they wore suits or casual but very clean. Hardly any violence and any speeches were applauded by all present. Their meetings resembled more to family picnics with many children present. Sometimes they would provide hotdogs or sodas free to anyone. I guess I became a republican because of those hotdogs 🙄✋🏻🇺🇸
Sounds like you're comparing open discourse to an actual cult, and in that order.
As a republican, you're still getting the hot dog from Trump, but not in your mouth.
Richard Daley, there's a family name to conjure with, that story would be a good one to tell.
The last 2 you have done has been on controversy at democratic convention the way things are going now looks like you may soon have a part three
Nope. Kamala got her delegates.
My favorite channel. 🎉
THG, thank you for the concise summary of the 1972 Democratic convention. I great reminder of my past.
Good morning, Lance. As always, thanks for helping us remember our history.
I hope you don't mind, but I have shared both episodes (1968 & 1972) on my "X" feed. I feel they are relevant to the current "History" we are witness to.
And they help to keep current events in a more realistic perspective.
Thanks again!
why would he mind? you realize this is his business right? and the more views the more he's paid?
@@dziban303
Is that how this works? Golly. 🤓 Ya learn something new every day.
Since Lance doesn't have an obvious presence on "X", I thought it polite to inquire. If he has an objection, I could quickly remove them.
I would hope that you would understand the process of inquiry, even though it was only a fraction of the content that you chose to critique?
Great video, timely.
1:10 oh yes - 1972
Al Smith was not the nominee in 1924. Neither he nor William McAdoo could get a majority The Democrats finally chose John W. Davis as its candidate on the 103rd ballot.
"103rd ballot" jesus christ
"Hysteria" is probably not the wisest way to describe Gloria Steinem's reaction
That was a direct quotation from Elle magazine.
I appreciate you and thank you for making content.
One relic of where George Wallace got shot, in Laurel, MD that still stands is the old neon Giant Food (Giant of Landover, MD. Not to be confused with Giant of Carlisle, PA, though currently owned by the same Corporation) grocery store sign. We used to go there to shop when I was growing up in the 1970s.
Thanks for sharing this timely primer.
Despite being an anti-Vietnam War "Dove", I think Sen McGovern flew combat missions and was a decorated WW II veteran. Although not a Democrat but a Republican, Congressman Pete McClosky challenged Nixon for the 72 Republican Presidental nomination (also running on an anti-Vietnam War platform), he too being a decorated veteran (during the Korean War).
John W. Davis was the Democratic Party presidential nominee in 1924, not Al Smith; Smith was the presidential candidate in 1928.
I was 11 years old in the summer of 1972 when I came home and my parents were watching the DNC. I didn't know anything about politics but I was instantly intrigued by the speeches and interviews. There was so much talk against Nixon. Not knowing there was a 2 party system, I asked my dad 'doesn't anyone like President Nixon'? He said 'yes this is the Democratic Party Convention. Wait until the Republicans have their convention'. I watched the Republican Convention the next month and was intrigued with Nixon's speech at the end. I've been a political junkie ever since. I'm very much looking forward to this year's DNC. It may be the craziest convention in American history with Kamala Harris possibly being challenged and defeated by other candidates.
The most long-term impact this nomination/convention may be the thorough vetting of prospective vice presidential nominees - though party "bosses" arguably had done decent enough jobs of vetting candidates for that slot prior to the modern 'DIY' presidential candidacies.
7:05 That is A LOT of cigarette smoke!
Foreshadowing. Thank you THG!
Don't know if this was the year, but my civics teacher said he would have nominated the school principal if given the chance.
The Democrats and Republicans both held their conventions in Miami in 1972. The Miami Dolphins went undefeated that year.
Thank you History Guy
All I'm hearing is that it was chaos and that made me laugh. Thank you for giving me joy to start the day.
This was well worth my time to watch. And slightly amuzing.
The History Guy is always informative and history is something we should never forgot. My prayer is the 2024 National Democratic Convention follow the same path as 1972 and in redundancy, pick a similar candidate with George McGovern's popularity with the nation's legal voting electorate. Just saying...
And many know that Hillary was nominated this way
The smokey haze in the picture of the convention floor is cigarette and cigar smoke.
68, 72, ?, 2024
Good times.
?=1980
i went to school in the south after my first 16 years in MA. i recall writing a paper on H Humphrey when he was running and I couldn't understand the push back I got from the teacher/students. i had been an A student (back when that actually meant something) and thought I did an excellent job (now debatable tho) on my work & my first attempt at politics. it took time before i realized it wasn't my essay, it was the audience.
Have you read his “Bright Sunshine” speech from an earlier convention?
Great episode! ❤
I was in SE Asia from 12/71 to 5/73, so this account is a revelation. We all hated Nixon over there!
Imagine Democrats splitting their vote and the Republican candidate winning. Then we got 'Watergate'...
Great episode!
Bravo
Good vid
This is the first election I remember. I was 6 years old. All my friends were for Nixon, but my parents were for McGovern.
I was also 6 years old in 1972, but my parents supported Nixon. They had never voted Republican before.
your 6 years old friends were into politics?
@Game_Hero we even had mock elections in the school. I was in 2nd grade. The kid chanted, " Nixo Nixon he's our man, McGovern belongs in the garbage can. " Politics wasn't nearly as heated a topic as it is today. Our school system was trying to get children politically motivated at an early age to motivate them to vote when they were old enough. I think that I was more intrigued by the two parties and the electoral system, because my parents were for McGovern and all the kids at school were for Nixon. Of course, everyone just voted the way their parents did. I started watching both conventions in 1976. I voted in 1984 for the first time. By this time I was a Democrat.
@@joeanderson8839 interesting, thanks for sharing the story!
George McGovern said many years later that his acceptance speech at 03:00 A M was perfect for Samoa's (!) TV viewers...
"party bosses" - Party ELITES.
Same thing.
@@jamesslick4790 Yes .. same thing.
Next time you need surgery I hope you find a good plumber. "Elite" means being able to read and write these days.
@@charliesmith4072 try again buttercup.
ELITE - noun
- A group or class of persons considered to be superior to others because of their intelligence, social standing, or wealth.
- A member of such a group.
- The best or most skilled members of a group.
@@charliesmith4072 party bosses - party ELITES.
Timely Post
TY THG
John W Davis of West Virginia was the Democratic nominee in 1924, not Al Smith, who was nominated in 1928.
I wonder why Thomas Eagleton accepted the VP nomination. Earlier that year an unnamed Democratic senator was quoted in the press as saying that McGovern had no chance of winning the election. That turned out to be Eagleton. That may have a,so played a role in his being dropped from the ticket. He would have done better for himself and the party by simply turning down the nomination.
Thank the very AWESOME AMAZING FAMOUS
THG🎀for this EXCELLENT VIDEO.....
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Lance, I'm suuure you'll have PLENTY of 'forgettable' latter day history to mull over and curate for future THC installments lol.
Back in the Saddle Again Naturally
Forgot about Tom T. Hall!
So the Tammany Hall Machine party has not changed.
Ironically the ABM wing understood the American voters.
Question: This one and the Previous video on the 1968 convention have been interesting. Born in 1955 I am old enough to remember and the adult in my family discussing them. I was the type of child that listened in the back ground to the adult discussions as I play.
You talk about how the Democrats didn't come around to the present system until the 1972 and that "the 1972 Democratic primary system is considered to be the first modern primary in the United States", so what was the Republican system and when did "the party of Lincoln" come around to a "modern primary" system? Would that not make an interesting episode of History that deserves to be remembered?
Although they didn’t face the same chaos in those cycles, the Republican primary system was similarly unregulated. The RNC adopted many standards similar to those recommended by the McGovern commission.
John W Davis was the Democrat nominee in 1924. Al Smith was the 1928 nominee. He list to Republican Herbert Hoover.
Could you do a video on the 1924 Democratic convention? I was also choatic as was the 1948.
13:04 Voltes for Eagleton!
No mention of his replacement, Sargent Scriber
@@robertdragoff6909 I always wondered when he was going to get promoted to Major…
@@heskrthmatt
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Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72
Hunter S. Thompson
A 2024 video would b interesting
There has always been nonsense with politicians👍👍👍
they try their best
Maybe saying "White writes" several times sounds a little odd.. How about "White reports" instead. But perhaps it's just me..
Yeah, I caught that as well. THG should have used the author's first name and not just his last.
I was thinking it a bit baffling that DNC was this concerned with “white rights” in the 70s
A JD Vance ad before you talking about the Dem Convention😊
Campaign season is actually good for RUclipsrs, advertising pays the bills.
Still, it’s kinda ironic
George McGovern only exists in my mind as a lyric from Charlie Daniel's 'Uneasy Rider'
While trying to convince a bar full of southern bikers that one of their own was a communist spy, the verse goes,
"I said would you beleive this man has gone as far
As tearin' Wallace stickers off the bumpers of cars
And he voted for George McGoveren for president"
Personally I don't like either party and I don't like either candidate. I skipped the last prez election and I may very well skip this one.
You've never voted. But still enjoy all the benefits of the country affords.
@@Katchi_ did I say I have never voted??? Yes I have voted…Obama..George Bush… Bill Clinton…Reagan…George H. w bush.
I think it would be good to do an episode on the history of lie detection. Since we are inundated with so many liars, it might be good to have a few tips to be able to detect them when they’re lying. Unfortunately, most of them all they have to do is open their mouth and it’s lies.
I saw something not too long ago, where it said that if you lie to the Gov’t, it is a felony. If the Gov’t lies to you, it is politics. That does about sum it up.
I remember the floor rule that state electors were bound to vote for the primary winner only on the first ballot. What is the rule now?
Same idea-bound on first ballot based on who they pledged for/was voted for.
There was a pretty funny song made about the 1972 Convention named, simply enough, Covention '72. Don't remember the group that performed it but I remember it was fairly accurate in its portrayal of the various politicians at the convention.
The Delegates was the name of the artist.
@@ricknibert6417 Thank you.