Powerscaling 101: The Difference Between Attack Potency and Destructive Capacity
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- How do you scale the strength of a character? Well, in my first collaboration video with Noodles, we answer that question and more! Mainly diving into the differentiation between Attack Potency, Destructive Capacity, Striking Strength, and even Lifting Strength.
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It's good to see more and more people start to understand AP vs DC. It's really common for people to try applying the outlier argument or being confused with how it compares with other feats because of how they're portrayed. Because of that, it's interesting for anyone who doesn't know that distinction very well. Good shit.
I think the more you explain it there it honestly doesn’t make sense and I feel like people wont admit that because they feel it will invalidate their argument.
AP makes no logical sense at all. It’s all about make believe upscaling
Destructive feats mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of actual fights, sins. Characters can actually do far greater ones, then Dragonball z that doesn’t need energy blast.
Not to mention that most of the actual fields are just pointing out, destroying the planet, cause, and leaving the planet before blows, but not actually wiping the planet out.
@@lost.name636brother9 wouldn't destructive capacity in most cases be like, a minimum display of what a character can really do?
Terrible idea to discuss physics for anime as the speed of light makes mass infinite
I consider you and Seth the programmer as one of the best power scaling youtubers I've seen due to how knowledgable you too are on the subject.
Thanks for the video, as before viewing it I didn't know the differences between AP and DC (I knew there were differences, I just didn't know what those differences entailed).
Him who meatrides the whole db and downplays the opponent so much😂 ya right
Noice Consistent Uploads, and Great Intro 👌
Powerscaling AP can be difficult within certain series, bleach is probably the best example, where characters display a notable change in their attack potency without showing a display of increased destructive capability. I would say the best example of this is bleach where characters get multiple times stronger to damage an opponent without showing a feat of destructive capability
The AP vs DC section was very insightful. I watch a lot of powerscaling so I had a speculation that what you said was true but I needed to make sure. Thank you so much.
dude the intro and editing was amazing, it's only a matter of time till your channel blows up
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I just watched all 3 powerscaling videos and I think I now understand the basics. 🔥🔥 these videos are fire and so useful
Ikr
Short, simple and sweet. Loved the video.
One more thing to point Out is to consider for DC if the character at will can manipulate his DC without lowering attack pottency but showed he has a similar DC level as his AP if he isn't reducing it at will. As that would be a Hax or characteristic of the Character instead of a difference between both aspects
Yoooooo! That intro was cleeeeeeeannn!!!
edit: i wanna see a future trunjs version of this character.
edit edit: yo where did the cat go?XD
So this how Ultra Instinct Shaggy controls 1.0 percent of his power without destroying the universe.🤔
Holy moly now I understand ap and dc thanks to this guy 😭🙏
I remeber watching people like you powerscale and was always amazed, thanks for this series man.
Many ppl doesnt understand this Difference & make weird claims like for an example "look X character didnt bust a star so he isnt star lvl" They dont know that U dont need to destroy a star on screen always to be star level
Also they dont understand AoE
If a character's strongest destroy a Star they say he is only star lvl while he have other better scalings & he can do more but His attack restricts to an area of effect
So good Job making this video
This is a bit late but you’re so right. This stuff is common in naruto powerscaling since naruto is more focused on ap than dc due to the story taking place on one planet so it’s not like their powers are written to be able to directly destroy earth. So it’s common for people to say “this character isn’t planetary, when did they destroy a planet”
@@reddotsxul8166 yeah naruto, bleach & dragon ball maybe even one piece have more ap stuffs currently than dc
Naruto being not planetary in 2021 sounds really caveman logic
Personally I think he is even beyond normal planetary
Thats video was actually nice and explains very well AP and DC
You could have also talked as to how creation feats work since not a lot of people understands it from what i've seen
Continue on the great work
I love the way you explain these things in depth that no one else talks about
This is such a underrated channel!😞
I'm personally hoping for a durability video or something in the future because that can have some debates that personally make no sense. Like how Frieza can destroy a planet but can get taken out by basically a regular Destructo-Disk and I don't believe that those can destroy a planet.
Such a video has crossed my mind and I definitely plan on talking about it relatively soon. Also what you're describing is what we call "by-passing conventional durability" or "durability negation."
In other words, it's more about cutting through things or ignoring the durability of others rather than just pure destruction and blowing shit up.
@@surfbone Reminds me of how wonder woman could probably survive being thrown from the moon but she can be easily hurt by bullets which is why she's so good at blocking them
@@Gwolf303 Exactly
Just discovered your channel a few days ago, and I gotta say your content is great!
This video was great! I didn't even know what DC stood for before clicking on the video
That intro is so clean! 🔥🔥🔥
love the videos! earned a new sub!
Amazing vid bro it’s helping me understand stuff
That intro is 🔥
Ap = somebody, Dc = something
Striking strength isn’t really reliant on force, generally momentum instead
Yessir this is what i needed😊
Frieza is in no way, shape, or form a Glass Cannon, as Frieza had survived a countless number of attacks from the Z-Fighters that would have instantly defeated Great Ape Vegeta from the Saiyan Saga and completely and utterly destroyed the Planet Earth's Solar System too.
POV: You don't know what an example is
Also he didn't destroy the Solar System lol.
Yeah only earth
I find more interesting this that my online lesson literally right now lol
This video was awesome I hardly understood this kinda stuff
One of the problems with diferentiating between "attack potency" and "destructive capacity" is that energy bleeds into the environment when you do any action thats how physics work, is like the billiard balls or a Newtons cradle, you hit one and the energy gets transfered to the next one and the next one and so forth
In our daily lives we don't notice that because, well, there is no one irl that can punch with enough power to destroy an entire house let alone a planet, but logic says that all that energy would bleed regardless into the environment that sorrounds the characters, like if they are touching the ground Newtons third law would dictate that they get thrown against it because of the energy, and that energy would bleed into the ground and the sorroundings
So if you have a pair of characters that can destroy a whole planet by throwing a punch (that btw it's stupidly ridículous and usually makes no fucking sence, to destroy a planet you need to surpass it's gravitational binding energy that in the case of a planet the size of earth is basically the amount of energy liberated by the sun, the whole sun, in a period of half a month, with that amount of energy concentrated in a body the size of a human you would become a black hole and aside from all the implications of that i just feel that most if not all writers that pull such stunts are completly clueless of that fact, they just think that making your characters destroy a planet is cool and completly forget to make the requiered investigation since even a basic Google search that takes 10 seconds can show you just how fucking stupid and world changing having such a power is to a fundamental level)
Anyways as i was saying if you have a pair of characters that can somehow punch soo hard that they can destroy a whole fucking planet then you have the situation that if they punch each other then the energy that bleeds into the environment would still be enough to at the very shatter a continent, as i say the energies involved in planet busting are soo insane (2x10³² joules or energy, or a 2 followed by 32 zeroes, probably a little more) that justbthe fact of exchanging punches would kill all life on the surface easily unless the fighters are somehow able to either absorb all that energy into their bodies perfectly or completly nullify it, because even just 0.1% of that energy is enough to cause a lot of damage
The same with any other power, like Superman heat visión if it's trully as strong as some people claim it it then it should burn the entire atmosphere each time he used it seriously because that amount of heat has to go somewhere and that usually means bleeding into the environment
Well obviously fiction ignores specific the law that states any form of energy output will effect its environment and any law fiction blatently ignores is a law we also ignore when having powerscaling discussion about said fiction story.
@@joyboy2413 but that usually doesnt happens, like if we ignore Newtons law of movement then we can't use the popular argument of "well X character can punch and blow a planet appart which means that he needs to have planetary durability because of Newtons laws" and that is something that even this vídeo mentions
If you ignore some laws of physics then entire arguments fall apart
@@carso1500 Well certain laws apply whilst others just don't, that's just the way the laws of fiction work, fiction isn't grounded within the believeability which the real world holds, fiction is only loosely based within the laws of physics so because of that it's a given that fiction stays true to some laws whilst competely ignoring or altering others
@@joyboy2413 it's still pretty stupid to take certain laws into consideration and ignore others
We can't just assume that law A applies but law B doesn't
The only way to actually prove that a character is as durable as their attack is to use feats and statements given within their universe
Like in DBZ it was stated and shown multi times that a character is as durable as their attack
But in Naruto mountain buster characters casually get pierced by blades and it was even stated by a character that their would've killed them if they weren't basically a regenerating zombie
@@teezus2036 It's stupid when using OUR reality, because obviously in our reality you can't expect something to function if you only account some laws whilst completely ignoring others but in a fictional verse that isn't grounded in our reality no.
I love the intro
Underrated
Nice video. This point applies so much for those that used to say Cell couldn't destroy the solar system using excuses. It was never implied he was going to destroy the solar system (DC) but rather he gathered enough ki equivalent to destroying the solar system and then some...(AP)
Guides confirm it and games even show cell destroying the solar system if he bets gohan
Epic and extremely educational. You earned my subscription. Could you make a video on versal scaling like in terms of destructive capacity
If you're referring to the AP/DC Tiering System, don't worry, that video is scheduled to come out fairly soon (in terms of what will be uploaded next). Once you see a video going over Combat Speed vs Travel Speed vs Reaction Speed, just know to expect the Tiering System video will be coming out next!
@@malkuth7223 Got you boss!
@@surfbone
Do a book on power scaling
Like I keep saying: who would you choose to be: a sniper or a demolitionist. Someone who oneshots enemies, or someone who blows up environments? Single-target vs AoE?
Thank you for clearing this up-
Someone said Naruto is low balled to Solar system level because he damaged Kaguya which apparently she's as durable as a star
the explanation can be much simpler and do away with DC completely, AP is the amount of energy one can exert in a single attack, AoE is the area they cna affect or how far they can project their energy, DC is just whichever of those two previous are smaller
Holy crap that intro
I was in a debate which ended in a draw. I mentioned that AP=Durability of said person and he said to prove it which I thought was an assumed thing. And I used Newton 3rd law to try prove it. But the person said prove it works in the verse. So my question is how would I prove it in a debate
You would always assume that AP = Durability (Newton's 3rd Law) applies within a verse unless proven otherwise. To assume otherwise without evidence requires a greater amount of assumptions to be made (look up Occam's Razor). Basically, it's his burden to prove that it doesn't work that way.
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Yeah even tho VBW sorta explains it this is needed cuz some people are either ignorant and don’t understand the difference or are stubborn so they deny it’s a thing calling it is a bs excuse lol
Damn that’s a clean and epic animation
5:43 Can we take a moment to appreciate how much of a _SPECIMEN_ the lad on the left is right here?
Under this logic what would be the AP of an avada kadavra spell (who can kill any living thing) or a lightsaber (whi call kill even the son in star wars?)
Quick question I got into an argument on Twitter..... Does Creating = Destruction..... Like does the ability to create something equal there ability to destroy something. I believe they aren't equivalent but this guy is claiming they are. Whats your opinion?
I mean, they should be equal, but in fact i think creating is even better
@@Lacy6352 imo creating or a much better feat
Hey man. ik i keep coming to you for questions but i feel like you’re a reliable source. so in death metal wally stalemated perpetua. doesn’t that scale him to outer? and would it also make him 6D? im not really sure how determining a character’s dimension works but ik he’s at least 4 but does it work the same as scaling him to outer would (meaning since he stalemated a 6D being, he’s also 6D)
I plan on making a Dimensional Tiering vid soon, so I'll better elaborate that in that video.
Thank you
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@@harrishromero6447 ?
6:11 can someone explain to me how exactly it comes, that 2.67 gram per cubic centimeter require 19.000 pounds of pressure to break? I'd like to do something like that for another material but I don't know how I have to calculate that.
5:16 I see
Intro 🔥🔥🔥🔥
My dumbass though dc meant "direct combat"
Hey dude just found your channel and saw you haven't uploaded in a month hope everything is alright
AP is power and DC is range
what ap and dc would you give natsu ? remember he burned time
I couldn't tell you since I don't scale Fairy Tail Lol
@@surfbone if you don’t mind me asking, what verse or verses do you scale then
@@icywtf5959 Naruto, DC, OPM, Dragonball, among other less popular verses. Fairy Tail just so happens to be not one of them. But depending on how many requests I get, I might consider doing it later down the line. Lol
@@surfbone looking forward to that and watching you grow, i recommend it tho... that verse is strong. i heard it was stronger then narutos. all love tho gang
Surfbone Where would you scale adult Naruto?
Hello, does striking strength always depend on the speed of impact?
Yes
Yeah.
Striking strength is pretty much the epitome of F=MA.
The power of a strike is all dependent on the strike’s total mass + the speed it’s moving at, assuming the attacker isn’t holding back.
The 3rd law reasoning doesn't really hold water I feel, most of the time people don't write with laws of physics in mind beyond what is engrained as common sense (Ie people can't fly for 0 reason). However, I feel like the "AP is equal to durability unless demonstrated otherwise" is a fair assumption to make, since most characters can take the amount of punishment they can give. Not very useful to be planet level in your attacks but still be only human in durability.
A notable example of an exception to the rule is Homeless Emperor.
TLDW
Say you have 2 characters Character A can punch with enough power to destroy a universe and character B can raise the temperature of a universe by 1-degree Character B can Affect an entire universe but he can not destroy it (I think I don't know what raising the temperature of the universe by 1 would do) but if character A punches a planet he won't destroy the universe (cus space is a vacuum) but he has the strength to do so.
This is an explanation I came up with on a comment when someone was saying the infinite gauntlet was only universal correct me if I got something wrong
Thats... Not how physics work
@@carso1500 what did i get wrong?
@@justdrawing231 for once if someone where to have the power to literaly punch the universe away it would transform into a black hole, a really big one and probably consume the universe, this is because all that energy concentrated into a body the size of a human (or close to it) would surpass the schwarzschild radius and transform into a black hole once again
The amounts of energy involved for such an action are stupid, something like 1.5x10⁷⁹ that is a 1.5 followed by 79 zeroes) the amount of energy requiered for such and action would probably cause a lot of damage because it would get liberated pretty violently into the sorroundings following Newtons third law
Thats if we follow real life physics, simply speaking one can't have the "strength" to destroy the universe because striking potential isnt even determined by the size of your muscles but by your mass and your speed, the more masive you are and the faster you move the stronger you hit
Of course we follow fiction, but there are a lot of logical problems that come from having a character that can "destroy the universe" by throwing punches
@@carso1500 well obviously it wouldn't work IRL but I was giving a simple example to give people an idea of the difference between attack potency and range
Can someone's destructive capacity scale above their attack potency?
It's definitely possible
@@surfbone How so?
@@thegemman520 Wdym "how so?" Are you denying that it is even possible for such a character to exist? Lol
Or are you just curious and want an example?
@@surfbone I think he’s just curious, I also want to know how that works.
Well, I made a character with explosive punches that grow stronger and bigger the stronger the impact of the initial attack was with no potential limit to that, so yeah, it's definitely possible.
In yuyu hakusho kuwabara with his dimension sword can basically cut anything including dimensions and hyperspace would that scale to his attack potency?
Ok I have a question, shouldn’t dura=ap, but rather dura=striking strength?
No because, being durable doesn’t mean you can hit hard.
@@princelamar1735 what? I am referring to ss being dura via Newton’s 3rd law instead of ap hopefully that makes more sense
@@calvinsling9859 Oh now I get ya. Yeah your durability should be equal to both your AP and striking strength due to Newton’s 3’rd law.
@@princelamar1735 should it be just ss tho because ap can refer to like ki attacks etc ss should be what dura is actually equal to
@@calvinsling9859 It depends on the attack. For example let’s take a ki blast and crossbow arrow and say you have to fire them. Let’s say the ki blast is set to explode but the arrow remains an arrow, both of their targets are mountain. The ki blast blows up the mountain and the arrow blasts right threw decimating the mountain. Here’s where Newton’s 3rd law comes into play. With the arrow your durability would scale directly with your AP because you directly withstood the force that was generated in order to fire that arrow and destroy the mountain. With the ki blast on the other hand, Newton’s 3rd law would scale your durability to the force you used to fire the ki blast, but it cannot scale you to the explosion that destroyed the mountain, because it’s the explosion that did all the work, not the force the ki blast was fired with. So if a character uses a ranged attack that explodes (like the ki blast in this example) keep that in mind. Did this help?
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so a good ex would be goku is plantary ap THANK YOU BRO NOW I UNDER STAND WHAT AP AND DC MEAN
Will this affect the dimensional scaling too so if im able to harm planet level thing will i be planetary? Thank you surfbone
Well yes, that’s what AP is, it proves your attack has that level of potency while not necessarily having the ability to make it into an AoE attack
@@surfbone so it is correct thank you
1:25 this is a logical fallacy
Or maybe a should say it's not specific enough (or even inherently true) but a more specific and accurately the BODY PART that launched the attack should be capable of withstanding the attack. IE a boxers fist>wrist>elbow>shoulder, it should not be foreign or a surprise that a body has differing levels of durability depending on the bodypart.
A 6 foot drop onto your feet will have a completely different effect than the same drop onto your head
How are you gonna say that what I said was a “logical fallacy” (which you never actually specify which one) then say I was technically correct. Sure what you said is true, but that explanation is not necessary when talking about fiction. Hell, the concept of Attack Potency would never actually work in regards to how real life works, but it’s a common thing displayed in fiction.
@@surfbone how am I gonna say...
Read the whole comment and it's explained lol
Also ap goes BEYOND fiction and is basically just a fantasy nerd term for statical data analytics. We see/hear it all around us all the time. For instance you could say all of our safety regulations for products are based around it as 1 example
@@dobi287 I did read the whole comment, you didn’t say what logical fallacy I violated. And no, it’s not just “statical data analytics.” You obviously didn’t listen to anything I said in regards to it. If you wanna join my discord, I would be more than happy to explain it to you there
@@surfbone I listened to this video and certain section repeatedly actually so don't tell me I didn't listen to anything you said and my comment literally explains itself
And what will be different by joining your discord that you didn't already attempt in your video
@@dobi287 since this video didn’t do it for you, I’m willing to try and explain it in a way that you understand it in a vocal conversation. I’m just trying to be considerate, that’s all. That’s what this channel was made for, to help best explain basic concepts in power scaling to those who wish to get into it
3:40
Superman in the top picture??😳
1:15
the appeal to netwon's third law seems inappropriate. Take Goku releasing a kamehameha mid-air for example.
1-force is coming out of his hands towards his enemy, so -according to newton's 3rd law- there is an equal force pushing back on Goku.(which provides the durabilty feat)
2-ok, why doesn't goku fly back then? ( the same way recoil would push you back a lil). So now you have to posit a NEW unexplained force that counteracts the recoil from the kamehameha which is equal to the Kamehameha in force.
3-But wait, this new force there has an equal and opposite reaction. So this new force basically generates another kamehameha shooting in the opposite direction of the original one.
clearly, goku can shoot a kamehameha mid air without shooting another out of his ass. Thus, the third law doesn't hold.
Also if you really wanna stick with the third however you may justify it. The third also means that Goku releasing a kamehameha mid air without being sent flying back means that goku can tank TWO Kamehamehas coming from his front and back.
Man, you just joined my server Lol. Just talk to me there instead of wasting your time making this dumb comment
@@surfbone I don’t think I joined your server but thanks for the invite.
I don’t have anything to say apart from what I said in my comment so I won’t be waisting your time.
@@karayi7239 Oh my bad, I mistook you for someone else in my comment section because they have the same color. But if you actually wanna discuss this, you can join my discord server.
Why is it called a tag policy and not kinetic transference since you would have to calculate the actual impact and the radius of expenditure of the radiating joules of energy impacts don’t correlate to position they correlate on impact upon pounds per square inch of the object, delivering the energy.
Leaving it sounding like it’s talking about a sword sting rather than calculations over how potentially damaging a strike is.
Not to mention the after affects that could actually temporarily affect the person from the energy transferred.
And don’t get me started on weight class since literally destroyed most characters in how painfully they just get destroyed with heavier characters.
If you can punch and kill for example Roshi from og dragonball and (as is nearly universaly the case in dragon ball) he is as durable as his attacks are powerful.
Then the force of my punch is equal to the force that destroys earths moon. If you punch a bed that makes contact with a wall in the opposite end with to you with enough force that it would move it the wall would be exposed the force you put on the bed - any energy losses from things compressing in the bed and heat. In the Roshi attacking the moon there would be about the same energy losses as if i punched the moon except probably even more heat generation. If i punch the moon the force would spread as the parts of the moon push against echother the same way it did when Roshi destroyed it and with enough force to destroy it and it would be destroyed.
I have heard people argue that planet buster busters can't bust planets before and that legends darth has planet busting power but not the range or of effect despite being able to exert his full power in close range and thus force push the ground imidiatly beneath himself and lett the laws of motion do it for him.
How does planet busting power not being planet busting work unless it's some kind of drilling attack like a laser or special beam canon?
Unless of course the laws of motion are entirely different in that universe which makes sense in very few universe's.
U should do fsiq idek what it means and same for some other manipulation anime stats
FSIQ = Full Scale IQ
i've seen a whole post on multiple manipulation stats @@thestrangerontheinternet8432
According to my knowledge gained from this video, Saitama has super ap but low dc compared to dc?
Talking about boxers and powerlifting, who's excited for the Eddie Hall Vs Thor match?
Tough Eddie Talked a big game.
Hey Surfbone I was wondering if I could ask you something?
Is there really a difference, though? Ap is directly scaled off of dc, which seems a bit fallacious to me.
How so???
AP can be scaled off of DC because like, with DC, you’re still generating energy just like AP. So if a character were to destroy a continent, then they’d have both continental DC and AP. It’s just that they also have the AoE to affect that much distance, while generating the energy needed to destroy the whole continent.
Also AP isn’t directly scaled off of DC. You can scale a character’s attack potency through other means, like the good ol fashion of them damaging/hurting another character who reaches a level of durability.
Ex: A kicks B hard enough to injure B. B has 6-A level durability, so A’s ovr. AP is 6-A without being on that tier of destructive force.
Shouldn't Planetary AP = Capable of destroying anything with Planter DURABILITY not Planet DC? Cause the Durability of a character is not automatically the same as uts AP.
If i kill a monkey who has a laser who can blow up the moon, does that mean i am moon AP? I dont think so. I would be AP+ what a regular monkey Durability is (Skin level?"
If you’re talking about the planetary Trump example used in the video then the reason why harming a character who can destroy planets would also scale you to their attack potency is because the character who is able to destroy planets are able to withstand the energy levels that they are producing to destroy planets.
That means Trump, who can physically destroy planets in the example, also has planetary durability because his body can take the energy he’s generating.
That also means that you harming the monkey with the Moon+ level laser means you’re Moon+ level as well because that monkey’s body is able to withstand the energy produced by the moon-destroying laser, assuming the monkey is doing it physically and not through some weapon and whatnot. And since you’re able to harm said monkey yourself, your AP scales to its durability.
Do u have a discord server
Not yet, in the background I have been constructing one. I believe once I hit 1K subs, is when I plan to make it public (but that depends on if I get everything set up by then).
But I plan on my Discord server actually being a place for people (my audience especially) to have a community to get into, interact with other likeminded people, and mainly be a good starting ground for learning how to power scale and debate. There's a lot of thought being put into it and it's going to be less of a fan server, more of a server like Character Stats'.
I am on Discord and you can join like Noodles' server if you wanna talk to me on there. If you wanna link, just look throughout the comment section. Noodles put it out when getting on this one dude's ass Lol.
Could someone possibly making a decent argument for a version of Goku being Outerversal? (Other than God 4D)
Currently, I've not seen any good consistent arguments for him being that strong
@@surfbone how about jump force goku, since he scales to Prometheus? And Prometheus sees the real world and all of shounen jump, so would he be outer or boundless?
So punching frieza would mean I can destroy a planet🧐 hell naw that gives you speed feats not strength. Freeza isn’t a planet so harming him doesn’t give you planetary ap. It would only be that way if you gave the ap based on how durable the character is. Scaling is flawed
Bruh, I literally said the opposite, I said punching someone like Frieza doesn't inherently entail that you have Planetary DC, just Planetary AP. Try watching the video first before making such a dumb ass argument.
@@surfbone I commented that before watching the full video and forgot abt it sorry
I still don't get the difference between AP and DC. They sound like the same thing. Unless DC is just the max output and AP is just whatever you're holding back to? But then AP doesn't tell you anything about the character because they might always be holding back more.
How about this?
An example of DC:
Character A uses an energy blast which causes the destruction of an Earth-sized planet, which is planetary
An example of AP:
Character B strikes Character C whose durability scales to the Tsar Bomba. B’s attack injures Character C with this attack. This means that Character B’s AP scales to city level because the energy output of his attack was able to match the power of the Tsar Bomba BUT WITHOUT creating the amount of destruction that the Tsar Bomba could do.
DC is how much a character’s attack can destroy.
AP is how much energy is released from a character’s attack without igniting any kind of collateral damage.
Yo did noodles quit YT cuz I tried accessing his channel, from the link below and it was invalid
Lol no, that just means the link expired and I gotta let Noodles know to update it.
ruclips.net/channel/UCxfJyN7EucUnf57TAmb4_oQv
Here you go
Are you gonna make how strong videos soon?
I do have plans to make videos like that, but currently, I'm mainly focusing on Powerscaling 101 videos. When I feel like I covered at leas the basics, then maybe I'll start considering to make a video on certain characters.
Except destruction feet are largely pointless in of themselves because they don’t mean anything and the example of Naruto doesn’t make any sense sense didn’t their arena have dirt for the ground not stone and it’s dry dirt since it’s a battlefield four trainees so it’s coarse dirt.
And even then an average ninja, does Dad several times since chart correct, and just accomplish it, regardless not to mention the scene you showed was during the nine tails being used so he was power boosted.
... But when does Powerscaling 201 start?
When he has finished 200 power scaling videos
I'd imagine a "powerscaling 201" would delve more into complicated subjects within powerscaling debates itself.
Maybe talking about certain logical fallacies like the no limits fallacy.
Or maybe talking about viewer inference vs author intention when it comes to powerscaling and statements
@@rhysjonsmusic Yeah. After 200 videos talking about the more basic stuff
Shup up in learning all the laws of phisical so i can make the most coehrent powerscaling made by man
You can learn me for how to win debates and how to scale characters
You mean "teach me", right?
@@mekingtiger9095 yeah
@@lunilmao6200 Yeeeah, unfortunately, I am no real powerscaler. Or maybe I technically am, but a pretty casual one. Sorry. At least _I_ can't provide you with tips. Barely even the most general ones.
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@@lunilmao6200 The best I believe I can tell you is to be aware of the concept of outliers and PIS instances. In other words, when a character shows a feat or a fail that is not representative of his or her average capabilities and mostly only happened because of "plot". These tend to be subjective, so use it with discretion. But remember: Consistency is everything.
I still confused
These are senseless mental masturbation, to try to glue together all the non-canonical nonsense, not written by Toriyama, like when Goku lifts thousands of tons on King Kai's planet and then Vegeta fails to lift 1000tons
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Do you think a light weight in boxing can hit harder than a heavyweight? No, maybe there's a reason why they invented weight categories. Some people should stop crying if Superman lift more weights than Goku. Who care? They not exist, i can now invent an invincible character...bother you in some way?
Plus, those images of Superman pushing all those planets aren't canon, because Clark's original creators stopped working in 1950 and sold Superman to DC, which created stories where his strength was never consistent, like DBS.
What's a glass cannon
It means a character Is very powerful or strong but their durability doesn't match their power or strong for a example
Scarlet Witch is very powerful but has the durability of a normal human meaning if someone shot her in the head when her guard is down it kill her like anyone else
Unless explicitly shown a charachter is not a glass canon
I know there was a video about strength tiers (lifting and striking), can someone tell me where it is? It better not have been taken down, that would just be stupid.
I wonder how anime fanboys rejects real life physics and using laws of physics at the same time, lol.
Duur applying IRL physics to dumb cartoons
Your point about durability being equal to attack potency doesnt make any sense, like for example humans use guns but if you shoot someone theyll die
Man, it’s almost like mentioned it’s a concept that only exists certain phenomenon in FICTION.
@@surfbone i legit cannot understand what this means
@@jacobneault3264
He’s saying that AP is used in fiction. It doesn’t apply to real life because it violates the Law of Conservation of Energy.
Conclusion: goku solos
Vegeta solos
This comment is because what you said (at 1:40 min )So power scaleing fools are all like that (I don't like power scalers)😂
Just imagine if now if there are two goku
First goku uses kamehameha on second you are saying second one should be fine because he can withstand his own attack 😂
I get what you're trying to get at but I think it's poorly and incorrectly explained
Then tell me, what did I state in this video was either “poorly or incorrectly explained”
so naruto isnt even planetary got it.
Wanna debate this
Kurama is planetary
Kaguya is star to uni
Momoshiki is uni+ to low complex multi
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@@Glitch1125 no
@@hanselbarlowe2575 says no them ducks debates. Naruto has planetary to star level ap
Your first point doesnt even make sense. Even just humans can hit each other and kill others that way. So that also means they can't "take" their own destructive force. So why should you not assume that everyone is a "glass cannon"?
Tell me you don’t understand how physics works without telling me you don’t understand physics
@@surfbone ??? Here is your exact quote: "Essentially, you would always assume first, that a character should be able to tank whatever they can dish out". But that's not even true to regular humans. A hit to the head can be fatal. Hence, we can "dish out" a force that we can not "tank out".
@@surfbone no response?
@@SquallTheBlade Look dude, if you actually wanna have a discussion about this, feel free to join my Discord and tag me or my bud Hashi. Otherwise I’m not gonna have a Bible exchange in a RUclips comment section Lol
@@surfbone It wouldnt be that hard to accept that your premise is flawed
Donald Trump could have started a war that destroyed the planet…..
Stealing seths intro... ok
Huh???? It looks nothing like his intro, at all
@@surfbone The concept
@@jaredbowen3527 I don't think Seth invented the concept of animated collab intros my guy Lol
@@surfbone ok tell me where you got this idea from
@@jaredbowen3527 It was not just Seth, several other anime channels on RUclips have there own animated intros and I thought it would be cool to have one of my own with Noodles since we plan on doing more collabs in the future.
So no, I didn't STEAL anything Lmao
omg other fallacies .. every manga has its own invented physics, no mangaka goes to study formules before drawing an explosion. Goku in Namek saga struggles to move at 100g which is 8 tons, do you think that with a push of even 10 tons you can destroy a planet? NO dude, it's not even Toriyama's fault for this inconsistency. You all power scaling fanatics who carry on this nonsense and do not want to read the original manga, where it explains that's is enough penetrate planets with a Ki blast and hit the inner core to make a planet explode automatically, I made two videos about it. And this is Toriyama physics, it has never been proven in reality.
No not every manga has it’s own invented physics, most manga adopt our physics because it’s the easiest to explain within the narrative that’s why it is the most likely and base assumption when discussing power scaling. No one ever claimed the author studies physics formula’s when writing their manga’s but there are still mathematical or logical explanations as to why certain things happen within their manga and power scalers take it upon themselves to figure out those explanations. It has nothing to do with the author and all to do with the work the author created. As for the “push of 10 tons” example you have clearly you didn’t want the video because there was an entire portion dedicated to the differences between lifting strength, and attack potency. Please actually watch the video before making moronic comments next time thank you.
@@noodlesyoutuber You can't apply logic to the illogic. Especially if your speech has no logic ...I see the video, completely non sense ... if i lift 400Kg and you 20Kg do you think you can be stronger than me? Do you think a lightweight boxer can hit harder than a heavyweight? Better stop with bullshits.
And many power scalers try to mix manga, anime and databooks, which are made by different people and represent things differently. It is already hard to find logic using manga only!
Naruto Boruto Theory
Yes we can apply logic to the illogical if the author gave a specific set of rules to that thing in question. In that first analogy you would be stronger in regards to lifting but not hitting. Just because you can lift heavier things then someone doesn't mean you can hit harder, as your muscles would be specificaly trained for lifting whereas the other guys muscles would be trained for striking (which is why lifting and striking strength are not the same thing). No a lightweight can't hit harder then a heavy weight but the thing is there both trained for striking, if the heavier fighter was a lifter instead of a striker then the lightweight could knock him down.
We can use the manga and all that if the original author approves all of them as canon. However if the differences are major, like differences between the dragon ball super manga and anime then we simply scale them separately rather then scale them like there the same series (for example Holy never used the Kaioken in the manga). However if an anime uses the same materials as the manga but posses more details then what was previously shown in the original, then its still canon to the manga as the author couldn't draw all those details in the manga whereas in an anime they more freedom to convey what they want to show. For example the author of demon slayer cried tears of joy when she saw episode 19 of the anime as the fight scene in the episode included way more details then the manga.
@@narutoborutotheory4419 can’t apply logic to illogic? I don’t think you understand what I am arguing. There is nothing illogical about power scaling. In scenarios where it is impossible to quantify or find an explanation for an occurrence within the narrative of a story we call those plot holes, because they’re is simply no explanation for how such a thing occurred. So in any situation where there is a illogical scenario occurring power scaling accounts for that as well as scenarios where logical things do occur. The goal of power scaling is not to apply logic to illogical scenes of a manga but rather to derive an explanation from scenes in the manga that do have a logical conclusion. And for the most part we generally can figure out how strong or fast a character is by the feats or statements they possess. If you lift 400kg and I lift 20k in regards to power scaling you would have stronger lifting strength, but that does not account for other kinds of strengths that people have such as striking strength. I literally explained this all in the video so I highly encourage you to actually watch it this time around before you make another dumb ass comment like that. As for the lightweight heavyweight point you made, no generally heavyweights hit harder than lightweights, it is possible that a lightweight does possess stronger striking strength but simply unlikely. This argument is also a red herring and completely irrelevant to the discuss.
As for mixing manga databooks and anime, it all depends upon what is canon. For instance in naruto the databooks are canon to the manga, therefore we can utilize both the manga and databook to scale characters, although manga would take precedence. In Boruto the anime is also stated to be canon to the manga, so you would be able to use both of those as well, just because it makes the scaling more complex does not mean we should just ignore it because it’s hard. I can’t help that you lack the brain ability to comprehend multiple pieces of source material. Anyway though I’ve been typing this bible out too long and have grown tired of text debating. If you want to continue this discussion further with me feel free to join my discord. There you can join a voice call and debate me on it.
Here’s the link- discord.gg/tPRZTKt
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@@princelamar1735 Like "the actor Bruce Lee hit harder than the champion Mike Tyson", right?? Naive sweet child...this is your fantasy world, real life not work like that.