The problem with A < B < C is that some characters are better suited to fight certain characters. A might beat B but C can beat A due to having an ability that counters A but C will still lose to B.
Like the world even if your scrawny and cant punch through walls like paper doesn't matter if you can freeze time and go up to them and stab them in there kidney and 💀
Keep up the good work man. Hopefully this series helps people who don't know or want to learn more about power scaling either get into it or help them understand it.
Definitely thought this was very good for people who are new to power scaling. We need more content like this on RUclips for normie scalers. Please keep up the good work! 👍
Thank you for educating the masses so we don't have to argue with newcomers on vocab and basic concepts of power scaling for an hour. Really helpful video!
I'm glad to see that people are now more willing to accept statements in debates. I was at my wits end seeing these "feats>statements, I only want to see feats" elitist arguing that the dbz verse was only planet level.
Glad to hear that this video helped you better properly understand the concept! Comments like these reassure me I'm doing my job well and I very much appreciate it. While a video concerning Hax won't be for a while. As I plan to have few more videos out before it that will most definitely make it a lot easier to understand when watched in order. But it is guaranteed to happen, so look forward to that!
dude thank you sm this has helped me SOO much in debates and i want to see more like what universal power and stuff like that is still confusing to me lol
I'm just learning however there's 1 thing in powerscaling that I disagree with. That being the A>B>C argument. Because of different characters abilities. C could be able to beat A, but not B. Its very possible I've been in real life situations where this was the case. In terms of actual power it would hold up, but not in terms of who would win the fight.
There are situations where this is true like Bleach as it’s very Hax based, however generally speaking the A > B > C argument holds up because abilities that other characters tend to have can only go so far to help them when they’re far inferior to someone where they can’t hurt them. Abilities really only work, when they tend to be relative to each other, as abilities wouldn’t matter if they can’t hurt the person they’re fighting.
Friend sent me this video because I wanted to know how powerful a character I liked was Still not quite sure where I'd place him, but this video is great! Very informative!
@@Balazs1102_ he might not be done even as im typing this. If he’s like cross scaling every character to make sure it’s completely consistent, it might take years depending on how specific he’s being with it
@@shwingcrimson8202 That's gotta be way too much effort for a relatively minor thing. Doing it for years. You could have the best, most consistent powerscaling known to fiction, and nobody would read it if the story is crap Poin is, you have to know how much time is worth investing in a thing
The funny thing is, quantifying things up to the speed of light through mass and energy. Though I would think that if you were to edge into the quantification of things that approach the speed of light, it would probably be more of a debate of the cannons ability to describe something. Then when we are comparing a characters/cannons ability to describe something, if there isn’t agreeance, then have they failed to describe light? I think though this may seem paradoxical, the ability to come to terms would exhibit a cannons ability to navigate the structure of things that are unchangeable, which would in turn be the other side of the equation of power scaling to balance itself out. Basically just using e=mc^2 because I find it fitting for most things in life if you can describe them as being three separate expressions.
To people new to powerscalling, start with the Demon Slayer verse. The feats are not that hard to compare and understand. Things such as comparing two characters speed is quite easy
I appologize ahead of time for the long comment. I'd appriciate a response if you have a second. SOLID VIDEO!!! You basically took all the fundemental ideas of power scaling that I was already aware of from reading other's debates and string it together into a cohesive video that I can use as a reference when debating others. I have a question on a debate I'm active in. I debate sword art online kirito vs yuuki frequently. SAO is very tricky to scale bc most of the feats don't have easy paralels to anything in the real world, nor could they be compared against other canonical feats. Add to that an issue where the characters jump to different VR games frequently and it's been explicitly stated and even demonstrated canonically that each VR game operates under fundementally different balance and physics (a good paralel would be comparing a vs where the universe is the size of a planet to a vs where the universe is the size of our universe). The issue here is that because it's a video game, their avatars scale to their respective universe resulting in a character being able to react to bullets only with foresight of where they come from to that same character reacting to light speed with no indication on timing or direction. Am I wrong to say it's therefore impossible to directly compare characters between games because no scaling methodology can be used with any semblance of accuracy? In order to solve this I came up with something called OSS scaling which I think is pretty accurate in concept but the results seem too absurd to be accurate. In 1 of the games there is a game mechanic called OSSs which allows the characters to create a custom special move if they can perform a custom series of sword swings under very specific and difficult conditions. Because of said restrictions, the maximum combo of the OSS and the amount of grinding it takes to make it in my belief could be used to measure kirito against yuuki. To be brief, kirito made a 6 hit combo OSS in 2 months while Yuuki created an 11 hit combo OSS on her first attempt, and there is reason to believe she could have done better but was simply trying to make something impressive quickly to attract attention. It's also heavily implied that OSS difficulty scales exponentially and that a single hit combo increase represents an exponential increase in difficultly. After running the numbers, that would put Yuuki thousands of times faster and more consistent than kirito even without factoring exponential difficulty. Even a modest exponential curve would put it in the tens of thousands. Her strength is backed up by character and author statements and direct fights, and this idea of her being capable of system level attacks on demand is backed up in a fight with a feat of her's parrying a sword skill by the fastest player in the game in unfavorable conditions, however that number just seems absurd to me and I have no idea how to relay it to my viewers for the video I'm making in a way that they will actually take it seriously. What do you think? Thanks for your time.
So basically what I understand from this is that you could only scale characters mainly throughout feats and statements by you have to be specific about what these "feats" or what these "statements" statements help give context to both of them and you HAVE to use inverse scaling for each other when comparing two from different verses
I do talk about Statements and their validity a bit in this video in case you missed that. Although I do plan on making a whole video dedicated to that, mainly tackling Author Statements or statements made by people outside the story. So look forward to that!
Thanks a lot for the sub, I appreciate that very much! And I don't plan to disappoint considering the amount of videos I have already planned, some already scripted and have been working on the next upcoming video which will be coming soon. So look forward to that!
My issue with these arguments is that they depend on scaling rules that the authors themselves have inconsistently applied. You can't really scale a character where the author is just going to release a new issue where the scale no longer makes sense. Who wins just depends on what the author wants, usually.
You can argue about inconsistencies all you want, that’s really just terrible writing on the author’s part, but has nothing to do with the scaling itself.
@@sebastiansandoval4861 You can get around it via of course saying that its an outliner, and wouldn't be consistent with most of the feats shown, so normally people tend to use consistent feats, however of course you can give the hypothetical when using these sort of inconsistent feats if someone is deciding to use them.
I’m gonna watch this bcuz I’m abt to have a argument with a jean grey stan and I’ve never debated and they seem rly experienced I rly hope this is gonna work
What I think about when I hear powerscaling: The classic “my dad can beat your dad” but with science, math, and an ungodly amount of toxicity leaking from the cracks in its structure
About your point with kefla, her strength actually does make since in the context of the story. This is because dragon ball has shown numerous times that a mortal can surpass a god in power. Just because goku has god ki doesn't mean he should one shot any mortal he faces(nor has dbs tried to convey that). Plus we already know that fusion multiplies the power of two characters many times over their total output. So the fact that Kefla is made up of two characters that have showed strong abilities makes it so that she can contend with god goku.
You see, what you did just there is power scaling. You took the story and analyzed it to where Kefla being that strong can make sense in the context of the narrative. Which is why it's such a great form of narrative analysis. However the reason I brought Kefla specifically was because it was an popular instance where power scalers were being called apologists for the series.
Surfbone thanks for your reply. Btw I made a post on reddit recently that explains why Kale and Caulifla were great villians for goku in the tournament of power. The post itself is called "kale and caulifla are great antagonists" (you'll find it if you type the title in Google) if your interested please give it a read and tell me what you think (any critique will be appreciated).
"Quantify reality warping" I would have said, "well we know Heaven and Hell is equal to the universe in size(idk I am pulling their size out of my ass) meaning he has at least universe size reality warping, because he didn't just change it but actively change their nature then we can say that he did a Law manipulation(or a conceptual manipulation?)" Idk if Broly has pulled a universe destruction feat.
Great video! Only I didn't understand the part about inverse scaling. A > B > C wouldnt give us any information that is valid, because C can counter A.
I know this video is kind of old and what not. I am also not a part of this subculture, although I have dabbled in the debate of fictional characters here and there for funzies. However, it would seem to me that folks might just be using the term "Power Scaling" instead of "Power Creep" since they may not be aware of this subculture in the first place. "Bad Power Creep" is a critique of the writing, since Power Creep itself is a writing term. And considering "Scaling" and "Creep" both can mean to "progress" (scaling a mountain, for example) it seems like this is a way simpler answer to why folks use that term than them explicitly harshing on your specific subculture. I've noticed a fair amount of victimization and us-vs-them-ism that I guess I don't really understand.
I mean if you compare two characters from different fictions, you have to have a setting if you want to get anywhere or else nothing you say matters because without those assertions you can write the story any way you want so the winner then become ambiguous.
Have you ever make videos about the Inverse scaling? The Wis Community are so confused about what is Inverse is and they don't understand of what actually inverse scale. Because they had no idea what is it they don't understand How it works and the example including DC Comics & Marvel Comics Character. Like saying Base Comics Spiderman negs TOAA Base Comics Batman negs Darkseid And they don't understand that parts and they highly disagree with it because all of their never experienced of Wha Inverse scale is and what Crossverse scale is. So if you have did the video about Inverse since I'm missing something that i did watched all your videos and i couldn't find it at all. So do you mind make an Video about the Inverse Scale?
old video, hopefully someone is still checking comments. how do you deal with a statement that introduces a contradiction, and you argue it is a contradiction. but, what if the other person argues it is a retcon?
I've searched high and low for a topic like this on RUclips (explained in detail) and now that I found it.......my head hurts (The Boss was right! seek and ye shall find..)👊😣
It might be a while due to a couple videos being scheduled to come before the "What are Hax?" video As those videos will help make it much easier to understand. But I'll do my best to get it out as soon as I can!
@@mohammedteladia312 I'm currently working at least 2 videos. One is delving into the differences between the different types of Speed such as Combat, Reaction and Travel Speed. The other is talking about Gag Characters and how they work in power scaling. Mainly tackling their supposed "I'm not capable of being beaten" trait.
I remember debating with a guy about Goku and Saitama where I was on Goku's side and the other guy was on Saitama's side and the guy was just using bad writing as an excuse to why Goku loses(Like Goku getting hit by a laser gun,Goku getting hurt while getting thrown on 100fts)And oh it was bloody frustrating so I just left and I still hate to debate with such people because they lack power scaling knowledge and just start hating and downplaying characters on the excuse of bad writing
19:30 I just thought about something about your ruler example. When people say that a series has bad power scaling they are talking about the inconsistent measurements of the house itself instead of blaming the "ruler". So if a series contradicts its own scaling rules then what's wrong with pointing out the bad " measurements" of the house itself(instead of blaming the ruler)? I think that's what the term "bad power scaling" should mean or am I mistaken?
What I'm getting at is that power scaling and writing are NOT the same thing; and a lot of people back then and some still today don't understand that. Because Power Scaling is a form of narrative analysis and not a form of writing. As author can use it to help him better write and establish a consistency within their series (heck, Toriyama literally says that about the Daizenshu) but it's often used by fans to help better interpret their work. "Bad Power Scaling" would mainly apply to a fan who misinterprets the scaling of a verse. Or in case of the ruler example, the man that uses the rule improperly or measures the house incorrectly while attempting to use the ruler. Because just like the Ruler, Power Scaling is a TOOL we use to help better interpret someone else's work. You should blame the MAN that used the ruler (a fan trying to power scale) and the ARCHITECT (the author) as they are fallible. So if you find something wrong with how a series is explaining the scaling of their own characters, you shouldn't just point fingers and say "It's because of Power scaling." You should point out what's wrong with the writing. Because as I said eariler, Power scaling is form of analyzing a narrative, and not a form of writing.
Bruh that Seth vs Vacheeto was so cringe. If he wanted to prove his point on Janemba being stronger than Broly he could had just went with the easier route of saying that he was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, who Goku in himself should be way stronger than Broly in his SSJ3 form at that point for Dragonball inverse standards.
Ah but seths argument in the “broly wars” video was that the movie’s don’t scale to each other or the anime. You should watch it mate, he brought up pretty convincing arguments for broly being the strongest(in regards to Z and the movies).
The problem with A < B < C is that some characters are better suited to fight certain characters. A might beat B but C can beat A due to having an ability that counters A but C will still lose to B.
That is true, I probably should've brought this up. But it wasn't that necessary and I also didn't think about that at the time Lol
@@surfbone power of friensdship & plot makes everything irrelevant
9:43
@@surfbone Thank you.
Like the world even if your scrawny and cant punch through walls like paper doesn't matter if you can freeze time and go up to them and stab them in there kidney and 💀
First cuz I’ve got Irrelevant Speed
Also Eww 13 Reasons Why is god awful lol
Cuties is just asking for FBI Open Up Lol
But great video overall 👌
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls I heavily agree with you
My speed is irrelevant too: I'm so slow that my running capacity barely makes any diference.
That’s great
*now prove that you’re omnipresent by replying on all comments in this video*
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls my speed is irrelevant
Came From Noodles's Bleach Hub Video. Glad you got you're name cleared up, Nobody has to go through that.
Nice pfp my guy
The subtitles in that seth vs vacheeto debate were needlessly funny lol
Keep up the good work man. Hopefully this series helps people who don't know or want to learn more about power scaling either get into it or help them understand it.
Definitely thought this was very good for people who are new to power scaling. We need more content like this on RUclips for normie scalers. Please keep up the good work! 👍
@@nothingimportanthere2082 nobody gives a fuck aboug power scaling 💀
@@blindt3279 You wouldn't be here if that were the case so here's your free duncecap. While we're at it, this is a 3 year old comment, you donut.
@@blindt3279 ur so wrong
@@bradleywilliams548 im not lmao get a life
Awesome shit man; can't wait for more "Lessons on" videos! It's great stuff.
Thank you for educating the masses so we don't have to argue with newcomers on vocab and basic concepts of power scaling for an hour. Really helpful video!
I'm glad to see that people are now more willing to accept statements in debates.
I was at my wits end seeing these "feats>statements, I only want to see feats" elitist arguing that the dbz verse was only planet level.
Don't forget the Naruto verse, so cancerous that the toxic fans in particular are always looking to win an arguement.
@@xeli3046 Ong ppl be like “give me feats” but never take context in for consideration
Thank you for this, I haven’t understood power scaling very well and this really helped me. Can’t wait for the video about hax :>
Glad to hear that this video helped you better properly understand the concept! Comments like these reassure me I'm doing my job well and I very much appreciate it. While a video concerning Hax won't be for a while. As I plan to have few more videos out before it that will most definitely make it a lot easier to understand when watched in order. But it is guaranteed to happen, so look forward to that!
I came from Noodles’ video and I wasn’t disappointed. Amazing work, man!
dude thank you sm this has helped me SOO much in debates and i want to see more like what universal power and stuff like that is still confusing to me lol
Glad to hear this video helped you out! I promise to continue bringing quality content that'll help you better understand power scaling
@@surfbone have u released it yet??
@@tarkeondomaster6314 Not yet Lol
It's not confusing, it's easy to do.
I'm just learning however there's 1 thing in powerscaling that I disagree with. That being the A>B>C argument. Because of different characters abilities. C could be able to beat A, but not B. Its very possible I've been in real life situations where this was the case. In terms of actual power it would hold up, but not in terms of who would win the fight.
There are situations where this is true like Bleach as it’s very Hax based, however generally speaking the A > B > C argument holds up because abilities that other characters tend to have can only go so far to help them when they’re far inferior to someone where they can’t hurt them. Abilities really only work, when they tend to be relative to each other, as abilities wouldn’t matter if they can’t hurt the person they’re fighting.
This was awesome. I did not know what power scaling was, but now I understand exactly how someone could say power scaling is a cop out.
Friend sent me this video because I wanted to know how powerful a character I liked was
Still not quite sure where I'd place him, but this video is great! Very informative!
Honestly this guy explains so well
I want to try powerscaling my characters for my story (I pride myself on being a good story architect), so this series will be pretty useful!
What did you get, how strong are they?
@@Balazs1102_ he might not be done even as im typing this. If he’s like cross scaling every character to make sure it’s completely consistent, it might take years depending on how specific he’s being with it
@@shwingcrimson8202 That's gotta be way too much effort for a relatively minor thing. Doing it for years. You could have the best, most consistent powerscaling known to fiction, and nobody would read it if the story is crap
Poin is, you have to know how much time is worth investing in a thing
powerscaling should be the last thing you think about for a story
@@berjoxhn5142I agree
am just getting into powerscaling and debating and this video is very informative. You deserve way more subs than u have. ^.^
The funny thing is, quantifying things up to the speed of light through mass and energy. Though I would think that if you were to edge into the quantification of things that approach the speed of light, it would probably be more of a debate of the cannons ability to describe something. Then when we are comparing a characters/cannons ability to describe something, if there isn’t agreeance, then have they failed to describe light? I think though this may seem paradoxical, the ability to come to terms would exhibit a cannons ability to navigate the structure of things that are unchangeable, which would in turn be the other side of the equation of power scaling to balance itself out. Basically just using e=mc^2 because I find it fitting for most things in life if you can describe them as being three separate expressions.
To people new to powerscalling, start with the Demon Slayer verse. The feats are not that hard to compare and understand. Things such as comparing two characters speed is quite easy
That debate in the beginning is so aggressive for no reason 😂💀
I’m so glad I found this I’ve been trying to start for a while
Great video,definitely informative and is overall a great start for people who want to get in powerscaling
You're toooo underrated
I appologize ahead of time for the long comment. I'd appriciate a response if you have a second.
SOLID VIDEO!!! You basically took all the fundemental ideas of power scaling that I was already aware of from reading other's debates and string it together into a cohesive video that I can use as a reference when debating others.
I have a question on a debate I'm active in. I debate sword art online kirito vs yuuki frequently. SAO is very tricky to scale bc most of the feats don't have easy paralels to anything in the real world, nor could they be compared against other canonical feats. Add to that an issue where the characters jump to different VR games frequently and it's been explicitly stated and even demonstrated canonically that each VR game operates under fundementally different balance and physics (a good paralel would be comparing a vs where the universe is the size of a planet to a vs where the universe is the size of our universe). The issue here is that because it's a video game, their avatars scale to their respective universe resulting in a character being able to react to bullets only with foresight of where they come from to that same character reacting to light speed with no indication on timing or direction. Am I wrong to say it's therefore impossible to directly compare characters between games because no scaling methodology can be used with any semblance of accuracy?
In order to solve this I came up with something called OSS scaling which I think is pretty accurate in concept but the results seem too absurd to be accurate. In 1 of the games there is a game mechanic called OSSs which allows the characters to create a custom special move if they can perform a custom series of sword swings under very specific and difficult conditions. Because of said restrictions, the maximum combo of the OSS and the amount of grinding it takes to make it in my belief could be used to measure kirito against yuuki. To be brief, kirito made a 6 hit combo OSS in 2 months while Yuuki created an 11 hit combo OSS on her first attempt, and there is reason to believe she could have done better but was simply trying to make something impressive quickly to attract attention. It's also heavily implied that OSS difficulty scales exponentially and that a single hit combo increase represents an exponential increase in difficultly. After running the numbers, that would put Yuuki thousands of times faster and more consistent than kirito even without factoring exponential difficulty. Even a modest exponential curve would put it in the tens of thousands. Her strength is backed up by character and author statements and direct fights, and this idea of her being capable of system level attacks on demand is backed up in a fight with a feat of her's parrying a sword skill by the fastest player in the game in unfavorable conditions, however that number just seems absurd to me and I have no idea how to relay it to my viewers for the video I'm making in a way that they will actually take it seriously. What do you think?
Thanks for your time.
Ey, hey there, Mineta's quirk is really decent and allows good speed boost and defense with staggering.
So basically what I understand from this is that you could only scale characters mainly throughout feats and statements by you have to be specific about what these "feats" or what these "statements" statements help give context to both of them and you HAVE to use inverse scaling for each other when comparing two from different verses
damn I've been looking for a guide on power scalling
I love how this works exactly like scientific field lol
Nice video man. I would like you to make a video explaining about how to verify the validity statements.
I do talk about Statements and their validity a bit in this video in case you missed that. Although I do plan on making a whole video dedicated to that, mainly tackling Author Statements or statements made by people outside the story. So look forward to that!
@@surfbone Thanks.
I'm subscribed to you now I hope you don't disappoint in the future cuz I like you're videos so far
Thanks a lot for the sub, I appreciate that very much! And I don't plan to disappoint considering the amount of videos I have already planned, some already scripted and have been working on the next upcoming video which will be coming soon. So look forward to that!
@@surfbone I'm excited already ☺🙂
My issue with these arguments is that they depend on scaling rules that the authors themselves have inconsistently applied. You can't really scale a character where the author is just going to release a new issue where the scale no longer makes sense. Who wins just depends on what the author wants, usually.
This
You can argue about inconsistencies all you want, that’s really just terrible writing on the author’s part, but has nothing to do with the scaling itself.
@@reflex9238 i agree but i would argue scaling inconsistent characters is a bit pointless. Maybe not but i personally find it boring
@@sebastiansandoval4861 You can get around it via of course saying that its an outliner, and wouldn't be consistent with most of the feats shown, so normally people tend to use consistent feats, however of course you can give the hypothetical when using these sort of inconsistent feats if someone is deciding to use them.
@@reflex9238 Sorry but no. You can't separate the writer from their characters and extrapolate their power because you desperately powerscale.
I’m gonna watch this bcuz I’m abt to have a argument with a jean grey stan and I’ve never debated and they seem rly experienced I rly hope this is gonna work
Best Explanation ever👑
Your quality is watt above your channel size.
What I think about when I hear powerscaling: The classic “my dad can beat your dad” but with science, math, and an ungodly amount of toxicity leaking from the cracks in its structure
I’ve already made 4 iPhone notes pages on this one video. I have so much to learn my brain is begging for mercy
nice i’ll be scaling myself to literally unkillable now
Thx I’ve been trying to get into power scaling
U need more subs tbh
That Seth vid was gnarly. 😬
I ain’t never watch the two people who debated but They ain’t gotta do my boy like that in the debate tho! 😂
This man spittin fact 🔥🔥🔥
The part where you were debating the guy was funny af
That wasn't surfbone, that was Seth the programmer. Seth is also a power scaler you should check him out
Cool video and editing, keep it up :)
About your point with kefla, her strength actually does make since in the context of the story. This is because dragon ball has shown numerous times that a mortal can surpass a god in power. Just because goku has god ki doesn't mean he should one shot any mortal he faces(nor has dbs tried to convey that). Plus we already know that fusion multiplies the power of two characters many times over their total output. So the fact that Kefla is made up of two characters that have showed strong abilities makes it so that she can contend with god goku.
You see, what you did just there is power scaling. You took the story and analyzed it to where Kefla being that strong can make sense in the context of the narrative. Which is why it's such a great form of narrative analysis. However the reason I brought Kefla specifically was because it was an popular instance where power scalers were being called apologists for the series.
Surfbone thanks for your reply. Btw I made a post on reddit recently that explains why Kale and Caulifla were great villians for goku in the tournament of power. The post itself is called "kale and caulifla are great antagonists" (you'll find it if you type the title in Google) if your interested please give it a read and tell me what you think (any critique will be appreciated).
No bad Surfbome
I'm going to binge all your videos to get better
May the 4th be with you.
Came back so I could relearn, but why you got a cuties image for this video 😭
I’ve been trying to scale Ohio Final boss with his feats ty for this video
Chair level 🗿
is goji chronic reliable
"Quantify reality warping" I would have said, "well we know Heaven and Hell is equal to the universe in size(idk I am pulling their size out of my ass) meaning he has at least universe size reality warping, because he didn't just change it but actively change their nature then we can say that he did a Law manipulation(or a conceptual manipulation?)" Idk if Broly has pulled a universe destruction feat.
The name vecheeto is absolutely hilarious to me
I watch anime for fun but debating seems fun
Oh yeah. This guy gets it
Great video! Only I didn't understand the part about inverse scaling. A > B > C wouldnt give us any information that is valid, because C can counter A.
I know this video is kind of old and what not. I am also not a part of this subculture, although I have dabbled in the debate of fictional characters here and there for funzies. However, it would seem to me that folks might just be using the term "Power Scaling" instead of "Power Creep" since they may not be aware of this subculture in the first place. "Bad Power Creep" is a critique of the writing, since Power Creep itself is a writing term. And considering "Scaling" and "Creep" both can mean to "progress" (scaling a mountain, for example) it seems like this is a way simpler answer to why folks use that term than them explicitly harshing on your specific subculture. I've noticed a fair amount of victimization and us-vs-them-ism that I guess I don't really understand.
Thank you 40 year old man
great video!
Amazing video but I won’t tolerate the mineta slander
LMAO
@@surfbone bro can you explain gag characters in cross verses battles in detailed please 🙏
@@kingofkings9391 idk what there is to explain, you would just scale there abilities like you would any other character.
Regardless if it's gag or not
@@surfbone okay then what is a neutral verse?
the way seth shut that dude down is the same way i do it, but they arent usally as calm as this dude is all ima say
please do a saitama vs goku power scaling vid
u see, when im debating i always pop in some jokes here in there so that when i get debunked or some shit i can just be like: “fuck- anyways-“
I mean if you compare two characters from different fictions, you have to have a setting if you want to get anywhere or else nothing you say matters because without those assertions you can write the story any way you want so the winner then become ambiguous.
my Brain Exploded
Great video.
I don’t get how you would find the quantity of something to qualify it
Nice vid.Do more videos about dc in the future please🙏
How to argue against characters with High godly regeneration.
Underrated asf
I was tryna see what's higher than stuff
Have you ever make videos about the Inverse scaling? The Wis Community are so confused about what is Inverse is and they don't understand of what actually inverse scale. Because they had no idea what is it they don't understand How it works and the example including DC Comics & Marvel Comics Character.
Like saying Base Comics Spiderman negs TOAA
Base Comics Batman negs Darkseid
And they don't understand that parts and they highly disagree with it because all of their never experienced of Wha Inverse scale is and what Crossverse scale is.
So if you have did the video about Inverse since I'm missing something that i did watched all your videos and i couldn't find it at all. So do you mind make an Video about the Inverse Scale?
I guess I also got crossverse scaling down
old video, hopefully someone is still checking comments. how do you deal with a statement that introduces a contradiction, and you argue it is a contradiction. but, what if the other person argues it is a retcon?
The death note music 😭😭
It got this shit copyrighted too Lol
I've searched high and low for a topic like this on RUclips (explained in detail) and now that I found it.......my head hurts
(The Boss was right! seek and ye shall find..)👊😣
Ok i understand a lot now
Learning how to power scale so I can powerscale my own OCs lmfao
Whats ur oc's name?
Great video , though when will you're what are haxes video come out ?
It might be a while due to a couple videos being scheduled to come before the "What are Hax?" video As those videos will help make it much easier to understand. But I'll do my best to get it out as soon as I can!
@@surfbone thanks , I really appreciate you replying, if its not too much trouble, what are you working on next ?
@@mohammedteladia312 I'm currently working at least 2 videos. One is delving into the differences between the different types of Speed such as Combat, Reaction and Travel Speed. The other is talking about Gag Characters and how they work in power scaling. Mainly tackling their supposed "I'm not capable of being beaten" trait.
@@surfbone thanks, good luck with your videos .
damn seth is dis you cause damn this video was fuckig great man gg
IM OMNIPRESENT
I'm more than omnipresent
I remember debating with a guy about Goku and Saitama where I was on Goku's side and the other guy was on Saitama's side and the guy was just using bad writing as an excuse to why Goku loses(Like Goku getting hit by a laser gun,Goku getting hurt while getting thrown on 100fts)And oh it was bloody frustrating so I just left and I still hate to debate with such people because they lack power scaling knowledge and just start hating and downplaying characters on the excuse of bad writing
I understand that pain, no worries man
@@surfbone Thanks man I really appreciate it
Fr I hate that too
13:23 Oh I hate statements they remind me of the time I farted a universe into existence.
I guess I got inverse scaling down
This is nice .
3:47 I see.
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8:25 So another example would be Applejack is faster than Rainbow Dash because she can keep pace with Pinkie Pie.
19:30 I just thought about something about your ruler example. When people say that a series has bad power scaling they are talking about the inconsistent measurements of the house itself instead of blaming the "ruler". So if a series contradicts its own scaling rules then what's wrong with pointing out the bad " measurements" of the house itself(instead of blaming the ruler)? I think that's what the term "bad power scaling" should mean or am I mistaken?
What I'm getting at is that power scaling and writing are NOT the same thing; and a lot of people back then and some still today don't understand that. Because Power Scaling is a form of narrative analysis and not a form of writing. As author can use it to help him better write and establish a consistency within their series (heck, Toriyama literally says that about the Daizenshu) but it's often used by fans to help better interpret their work.
"Bad Power Scaling" would mainly apply to a fan who misinterprets the scaling of a verse. Or in case of the ruler example, the man that uses the rule improperly or measures the house incorrectly while attempting to use the ruler. Because just like the Ruler, Power Scaling is a TOOL we use to help better interpret someone else's work. You should blame the MAN that used the ruler (a fan trying to power scale) and the ARCHITECT (the author) as they are fallible.
So if you find something wrong with how a series is explaining the scaling of their own characters, you shouldn't just point fingers and say "It's because of Power scaling." You should point out what's wrong with the writing. Because as I said eariler, Power scaling is form of analyzing a narrative, and not a form of writing.
@@surfbone Now I get it, my bad.
@@surfbone so powerscalling is so important right
hey how much power does a character have when he can destrpy over 3 million universes in one fully powered hit that he can do many times
The power to destroy 3 million universes in one shot Lol
What is this question? if your talking about what tier that feat is, it would be multiversal.
It's something that doesn't matter in most fictional settings.
Thanks
I need some explaining cause I wanna power scale the team fortress two characters
They are boundless they have no bounds they solo every verse in fiction In base with 0.001 power even the strongest scps
@@MrChief_223 gotta be joking
@@MrChief_223 Stfú dum kid
In me and my friends universe sausages is a power measurement (900 sausages)
i think you broke my brain
When this is your first time debateing : 4:49
I'm only here cause I'm tired of Goku's boyfriends calling him invincible🙄
He is
What’s the name of a debate between Seth and Cheetos😂😂
Can you debunk kirby vs Majin buu deathbattle?
Bruh that Seth vs Vacheeto was so cringe. If he wanted to prove his point on Janemba being stronger than Broly he could had just went with the easier route of saying that he was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, who Goku in himself should be way stronger than Broly in his SSJ3 form at that point for Dragonball inverse standards.
Ah but seths argument in the “broly wars” video was that the movie’s don’t scale to each other or the anime. You should watch it mate, he brought up pretty convincing arguments for broly being the strongest(in regards to Z and the movies).