For those who didn't manage to get the ignition. If you have >70% alcohol and you're sure you have the spark, it has to be the temperature of the mixture. I was having problems with ignition when the temperature was below 20 Celsius. What you can do is you can use a hairdryer to warm the bottle. Then it works every time. Good luck! Btw.@NightHawkInLight awesome idea!
Good and workable idea. Temp is critical. However, remember that the as the hand held hair dryer runs it has continuous sparking inside the electric motor. The alcohol vapor can waft to the mouth of the plastic bottle. If too near the spark, it can ignite and you'll be holding a flame thrower bottle. In a similar experiment - to my surprise - I had an alcohol vapor flame shooting off the bottle. (I was sure the vapor was not close/concentrated enough - I was wrong.) The result was exciting but quite unsettling.
Both use electricity, but they're quite different. In a lighter, a spring loaded striker hits a piezoelectric crystal, creating a high voltage spark. In the Panzerschreck, the striker drives a magnet through copper windings, exactly like a mini electric generator.
I tried this experiment and it worked great! What I also found is that after swinging the fuel drops out you should give it a quick blow into the mouth of the bottle. I compared that launch to ones where I didn't blow into it and the one where I blew into it flew significantly farther. I recommend giving it a quick blow before each launch. I found out that if you leave even small amounts of alcohol in the bottle, it will sometimes drip onto the launcher and set it on fire after launch. But anyways, Thank you for the amazing project! The kids in the neighborhood love it!
I'd just like to say that it's really cool that you're actually replying to most of the comments here. It's pretty rare to see youtubers that do that nowadays.
Mine didn't go very far like in the video. It was a little disappointing. But then I changed bottles and it was really cool! The first bottle was wide at the top (Pepsi bottle), whereas the other was more narrow and fit more snuggly on the pipe (Sprite bottle). It makes quite a bit of difference.
Thanks for this video. A few notes: You can get 99% rubbing alcohol now which might work better for sparking if you are having any issues. Most grill igniters will NOT WORK since they only have 1 probe. They assume you set up that probe right next to a metal gas port to make the spark. As such, you need to have a TWO CHANNEL one, and use one wire from each. I used the 3 channel brinkmann igniter, capped the third one, and used the wires from channels 1 and 2 to spark to each other. They even have nice terminators at the end. You discard the probe thingees themselves. I also recommend NOT using a piezoelectric since you have to push really hard on the button to make the internal hammer hit the quartz crystal. A 1xAA is much nicer, on a relatively flimsy launcher.
I made these and tried using a couple different fuels: 95% Isopropyl Rubbing Alcohol, Denaturated Alcohol, Ethanol, Methanol, Gasoline, and Nitro RC Fuel and the Nitro RC Fuel and Ethanol seem to be the most powerful and easiest to use. When using gasoline, you need to use a very small amount of gasoline and you need to blow into the bottle a lot in order to achieve an air-fuel ratio that will burn because if you don't, the mixture will be too rich to ignite. Gasoline also produces a very bright flame compared to the others, and also produces black smoke and soot inside the bottle. Next I might try oxyacetylene!
What you have here used to be referred to as a spigot mortar, because the "barrel" is INSIDE the projectile rather than ENCLOSING it During WW Two, they were used in anti-submarine warfare. They were better than depth charges, as they wouldn't go off unless they hit something. A ship would be fitted with racks of up to 20 mortars, slightly splayed out so that, when fired, the bombs would form a spread out pattern, making it more likely they'd hit a submerged sub
Awesome! Just built one and it works great. I didn't expect it to be so loud but that only adds to the excitement. Now to see what else I can launch with it. Thanks for the great video.
This was for my daughters science project. If you are getting a good spark, I believe it is most likely is a fuel problem. Like others, we were using 91% alcohol from the grocery store. After trying for half an hour we only got it to fire 2 times in 70F degree weather. The spark also had all but disappeared after half an hour trying. I tried burning the 91% alcohol in an alcohol stove and it would not light, I think it may be watered down. I let it dry out (30 min), the spark was better, so we made sure we had a good spark across about an 1/8 inch (3mm) gap. We switched to Everclear 95% grain alcohol, which is what I use in my alcohol stove. The rocket fired in 1-3 clicks every time.
About 50 years ago we made tennis ball canons out of pop cans. Of course the cans were way different back then in design and these ones had the zip tope or shall I say pull tab tops. 4 or 5 cans cleanly cut then a rough cut and to trap the ball and then on the other end of that a untouched top with the pull tab whole and a two can chamber. Add a small hole in the center of the bottom four ignition and fuel addition. My first one was taped together with a number of layers of electrical tape and was fueled by gasoline. Squirt a little gasoline in the butt end and then start shaking the apparatus around to get some air into it. Drop a tennis ball in the top and it slid down very nicely until it hit the jagged part. Lighte it off and boom that puppy would send tennis balls a hundred yards. I improved on it by using much much better tape plus a whole heck of a lot more including covering the whole surface and then used a spray can of starting fluid a.k.a. ether for the fuel. You could either shoot a tennis ball or just make one super loud boom. Kind of like the old carbide canons. I had a lot of fun with it in college.
This is like the can and soda can launchers you could also use tennis balls in when I was a kid, only this seems safer to use. Now I'm going to have to make one of these. Thanks.
We built a smaller version of this launcher and had a lot of fun learning about rockets! We posted a video sharing the experience on our channel. We enjoy watching your videos, thanks!
My son and I just made this! Awsome cheap fun! We could not get the rubbing alcohol with high enough alcohol content. We settled on a small blue propane torch and filled the pop bottle for 15 seconds. This worked great!
...and this caused me to imagine a super soaker of sorts with a nice little injector atomizing alcohol as you pump action and that igniter on the trigger. Chk chk... BOOM. 😂 In tomorrow's news...burglars swayed with alcohol induced super soaker and 16oz Coke bottles.
Made this fun project. Some things I learned. I found that "not less than 99%" alcohol gave me 100% function. The igniter has more than enough spark. I made one with a kind of stun gun igniter, and it didn't help with any lower content alcohol. Need to be sure NO liquid alcohol is in the bottle. I almost burnt one up when the liquid kept on burning in the launcher. Found out, by mistake, it sometimes fires twice, after first firing, without adding more alcohol. Stuck the bottle on after firing, and wanted to check for spark. BANG!!! it went off. Always point it in a safe direction, and don't do it indoors. Because it's so loud, I only fire it at the shooting range. Has anyone fired it at night???? Is there any flame????
When I was a kid, we used to make tennis ball canons. They were tin beer and coke cans, 3 with the bottoms and tops cut off and one at the bottom with top and bottom still on it, all taped together. The bottom can had a small hole about an inch from the bottom. The hard part was carburating the lighter fluid and air just right. Kids assume that the more lighter fluid, the bigger the boom. That's not the case. And I figured out by accident the best way to carburate it. Just a squirt down the top, then one good swing holding the bottom with the top outwards, them shoving the tennis ball in right after swinging it. Light it at the bottom hole. DO NOT USE GASOLINE. USE ZIPPO LIGHTER FLUID ONLY. DO NOT POINT IT AT ANYONE.
This is a great way to have fun with the kids at family functions, barbecues, etc.. Give out prizes to the kids for whoever's rocket goes the farthest and similar games.
This could probably be done a lot more simply. Just tape a pushbutton-igniting propane torch to one end of a 1/2" pipe, put the neck of the 2l bottle on the other end as shown, wiggle the smaller bottle on the other end also as shown, then flow mixed air/propane into the bottle from the torch for several seconds and pull the trigger. A way to vent air from the bottle as propane/air mix flows in may or may not be necessary.
I built it and it isn't working! I had one lucky shot, but for the life of me I can't get it to ignite again. I'm using 91%, my spark is nice and big, and I'm using the technique you showed us... Any ideas?
NightHawkInLight Thanks for getting back so soon! I never fixed the problem, but I've been using propane instead and haven't had any problems. Keep the videos coming!
Too anyone having problems firing this, and you're doing everything right, please read this. Your problem is going to be the fuel, as it should be at least 90%. More, make sure when fueling to use a ver very small amount of rubbing alcohol in the bottle (less than 1 cm in height). Make sure there is no liquid left in the bottle. The most important thing, is the temperature. The General rule of thumb is if you can go outside with jeans and a t shirt on and feel fine (like no problems) then it is warm enough to fire. Anything less and it most likely won't fire. I hope this helps
I made this almost exactly as shown, but haven't had a successful launch yet. I do have a spark every time I test it where I can see the spark (inside). I have tried 70% alcohol and 95%. Any advice on how to get it going?
If you're getting spark but the rocket is not firing it means your fuel to air ratio is incorrect for proper combustion. If you have too much fuel vapor in the bottle the spark will be a bright neon blue. If so, take the bottle off and shake it a few more times as if you were swinging out extra liquid, that will mix more air in and get rid of excess fuel. If the spark looks the same color as it is when the bottle is off you probably don't have enough fuel and you should shake the liquid alcohol around more before draining it.
NightHawkInLight This is what someone on Reddit (maybe you) told me yesterday. So today I spent a lot more time shaking it out and introducing oxygen various ways. Nothing worked. Also because I am not that knowledgeable about piezoelectricity, does it matter that the wire that the spark jumps to is not attached to anything? Because I had a spark I assumed it wouldn't matter, but at this point I am considering all options. Thanks for the response (and so fast too).
Glenn Kachmar Yes that was me that replied on Reddit. The wire that the spark is jumping to should be attached to the second terminal on the igniter. In any case, between tests are you letting the bottles air out all the old fuel? If you just keep adding more while there's already some in there it will be over fueled for sure. If you take a match to the back of a bottle that you have failed to fire does it ignite the fuel inside and burn with a 'woosh'? If not then it's not properly fueled. If it does ignite and burn very quickly it is properly fueled and you can then know that it's your spark gap that needs adjustment, not the fuel. Wear cotton gloves to protect you if you try this, not synthetic, because synthetic gloves will melt to your skin if they catch fire.
NightHawkInLight Now that I think about it, another reason I didn't attach it was that there seemed to be anywhere to attach it to. A guy in a BBQ dept. gave me the igniter and it just had a stub like end next to a thick wire with ceramic insulation cylinder around part of it. It didn't seem to be a circuit and it made a spark so I thought I don't need to make it a circuit. It was mostly guesswork as you can imagine. Sorry to keep peppering you with questions, but will I get a stronger spark if I remake it making sure that it is a circuit?
I've made this for a class I'm teaching on rockets and I cannot get the rocket to launch consistently. It is ~ 40-45 deg out so I moved from rubbing alcohol to hairspray but I still cannot get the rocket to launch consistently. It seems like my spark is very dim once I put the bottle on the launcher. When I remove the bottle the spark seems very strong. Thoughts? Help please as my last class is this week and I'd hate for the 1st graders not to get a launch in. Thanks.
+Donny Bui Hey sorry for the delay in my reply, I don't know how I didn't see this comment earlier. It could be that your alcohol is a bit too cold. Try keeping it indoors before taking it out to fire the rockets. The higher the concentration of alcohol the better. 91% is the most common and works well. The dim spark may be from overfueling, which would mean you need to give the bottles an extra shake or two before putting them on the launcher so they get more fresh air mixed with the alcohol.
+NightHawkInLight I just made this and was having the same issue. It worked perfectly when the alcohol was kept inside. But when loading it in 35 degree weather it didn't work worth squat. Also it was raining; would that have any affect? I'm pretty sure everything was dry. I was definitely getting a spark. Really looking forward to getting this to work better because it was really cool. And I was trying it with 70%; I bought 91% but only got to see it once.
Thanks for the advice unfortunately the kids did not all get to see it work. I'm going to try it again during the Spring and hopefully I'll have documentation on the results for future classes.
A mate made one of these - very similar, anyway, and used spray deodorant, believe it or not. Just a squirt into the missile and then jammed it on. Ka-blammo!
These work awesome and loud. the first few times I couldn't get it to work with the alcohol because it was too cold so I put the gas from a lighter in the bottle instead. Later after it warmed up the alcohol worked amazingly.
One curious thing I had happen-I launched a bottle horizontally across the yard as a test, with a chain link fence as backstop. When I picked up the bottle, it had a ton of dirt in it! I think this is because the gases cooled and contracted around the same time the bottle bounced off the ground, so it sucked in dirt. This makes me wonder if it also pulls in enough oxygen again for the next launch.
in 2013 i improved on the idea. 2l bottle, metered propane, and water. ignition with a home made stun gun. more power, very consistent. then i went a few steps further and made a way to add more power without changing the fuel/propellant/volume. how i did that can be seen in some of my videos ;) one is propelled with beer.
Reminds me of the Tennis Ball Cannons we played with back in the day... three or four cans taped together, tops and bottoms removed for the cannon barrel, with the bottom can keeping it's bottom, and lots of large vent holes in the top to keep the tennis ball from sliding into the fire chamber... small ignition and fuel hole in the bottom of the bottom can.. squirt a bit of fuel, shake it to aerate, load a not-too-furry tennis ball, and put a Bic lighter to the fuel hole.. BOOM!!! The cannon literally takes minutes to make.
Wat a cool video. Clear step bij step explanation. You made it easy to make it just by following your instructions. Do you think it is possible to use methylated spirit / industrial alcohol instead of rubbing alcohol?
Yes, various alcohols will work fine if 90+% concentration. You may want to look at my newer propane bottle rocket launchers as they are more reliable in cold weather where alcohol does not evaporate so easily.
Try deodorant spray or propane, don't have to worry about atomizing a liquid fuel as with alcohol. But alcohol has higher energy density, so there's that advantage. BTW Hawk, did you happen to get this idea from Spudfiles?
... ok, mine's not working. Old alcohol maybe? I don't have any insulation showing from wires in the glue either, not that I see this making a difference. It worked with some lighter fluid but obviously, this is much more volatile than the alcohol it seems, it melted the plastic bottle a bit but was loud and shot pretty high (fired it straight up) in the air. Thoughts? I'm taking all safety measures in the process and I'm going to do a Polish cannon like we used to do when we were kids, they were pretty loud as I recall. And no, I'm not taking retirement very well.
You need at least 95% alcohol. Scroll through the other comments and you should find lots of questions and answers to misfiring problems. I no longer use alcohol but have new bottle launcher videos demonstrating how to use propane which is less prone to failure.
I've had some trouble getting consistent ignition. Even 70% worked fine, and then it stopped working without 95%, and then even that wasn't working so well. I think my piezo might be wearing out?! It's extracted from a pocket lighter. (Need to get a grill lighter to see if that works better.) I may have also been having capacitive coupling issues when I was using an old telephone cord (4p2c) for the two wires for the igniter. Interesting failure mode, but not the complete picture. Lastly, I've been trying this with a 1L water bottle. Very thin-walled, might be at mild risk of rupture. But I think it also isn't as *rigid*, which might dampen some of the force transfer. Will try to find a soda bottle...
Could be your igniter wires are too long. The spark loses power with long wires. Alcohol can be tricky though. I've switched to using propane if you watch my newer bottle launcher videos
@@Nighthawkinlight Yeah, I saw the propane ones! I think I have to stick with alcohol (I'm in the city, people will be less touch about that) but I'll focus on getting the leads as short as possible and see about maximizing the spark. I saw your comment about tinning the spark gap leads as well, and will try that too.
Years ago 24 ounce plastic bottles you could launch a 12 ounce aluminum can. Manual can opener to remove the top of the can, cut the bottom out of the bottle, put two screws in the neck of bottle for your spark gap. IMA fan of Dr pepper, so I called it a flaming Dr pepper, as the can would still be on fire from the wife's hairspray. Try a degreaser called "quick peel" made with oranges :)
Wouldn't it make more sense to ignite the mixture near the opening? Because I'm sure a lot of unburned fuel gets pushed out of the bottle before it ignites. You could make a comparison
In the rocket aspect, yes. But the pipe extending deep into the bottle actually makes it fire off more like a cannon in the first instant of ignition, which gives a huge extra boost in initial speed.
I took this idea and minimized it into a a small pistol design, it's a ton of fun to use, and extremely loud (and slightly scary having an explosion go off a few inches from my hand)
Thank you for sharing! I made a handheld version of this using just 1/2 inch PVC pipe, an elbow, and a couple PVC caps. I'm still having trouble getting this to fire, but I wonder if it's because of the bottles I'm using. I was trying small drinking bottles, but found out that the bottles were not airtight, so I'm wondering if the vapor is possibly leaking out. I'll try using 2 liter bottles as demonstrated in the video, and I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks!
I'm not using 2 liter bottles, they're 12oz. Still small. If you're having trouble firing it's almost certainly because you're using too much or too little fuel.
NightHawkInLight I've tried a couple of different sizes now, and still can't seem to get it to fire. I tried using a lighter, and was surprised with how much thrust shot out at my hand. I'll try different things, though, and hopefully I'll get it to work.
NightHawkInLight That's what I was thinking. I think I'm using too much wire, because the spark seems fairly week, but still looks the same as the one in the video. I'll try to fix the spark gap and lose a little bit of wire, and hopefully that'll help.
NightHawkInLight Alright, so I still can't get this to fire. I've messed with the spark gap and fuel ratio, and tried different bottles as well. I even tried hairspray (which was mentioned in the comments, NOT a safe idea by the way). I tried it with hairspray while the bottle was on the tube, and no fire. Tried it by just getting a spark by the opening, and the entire bottle turned into a giant fireball. So maybe it is the fuel ratio? Maybe I'm not getting enough oxygen still?
Excellent idea that makes the little ones happy and creative, as well as the big ones. Please, which Push Button Barbecue Igniter did you use? I'm asking so I don't buy by mistake from ebay.
I have had the same issue that very few people had. Which is when I press down the button, it won't launch. I use 91% isopropyl Alchohol and it still doesn't launch, and there's also a spark in the bottle. I don't know what's going on but if u don't know, then that's totally cool. My main question is, "is there a way to get it to launch???"
very good presentation, clear and thorough and interesting to watch , I will try this for the kids, I see people throwing out barbeques all the time...will certainly grab an igniter or 2 next time
Hey nighthawk had a question. What about a bbq lighter ? Will it give the same kind of ignition for this project. I have a couple of old ones laying around. Grate video by the way ..
It would appear that not all grill ignitors are created equal. I bought one off of Amazon that looked similar, but it doesn't create a spark. It appears as though some grill ignitors are just a simple switch, while others actually create a spark.
Have you attempted to implement this on a field? Was wondering if there are any waiver complications, restrictions on fields for doing something like this.
i have a project coming up on this halloween its an egg drop and after trying water rockets,airplanes and other various types. I've concluded this is the best, I need to know the specific igniter because the ones i'm seeing aren't the same. If u have a link can you please give it to me. thanks
Sir, I am trying to find the bbq ignition you used for this project. Was this a weber bbq igniter? I have decided to use the bbq ignition instead of alcohol or anything like that. If possible, could you send a link? I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you for answering.
Successful ignition is temperature dependent. I made this launcher on a cool (65 degrees F), overcast day, and had no success. I tried it again on a warmer (75 degrees F) sunny day, and it ignited every time. It didn't at first, but I left the alcohol (70%) and the bottle out in the sun for about 30 minutes, and then it worked perfectly.
What percent alcohol are you using? when using isopropyl alcohol as a fuel, I find 70% works well, 50% does not burn well, and 90% buns too fast, but this might all be different for this particular application.
Does the bottle need to be tight on the tube? I have tried many times to get this to work and it doesn't. Since the igniter is working properly, the only flaw I could possibly think of that would be preventing the launch of the bottle is the tightness of it on the PVC pipe. Any suggestions?
+NightHawkInLight I tried it for a cousin's high school science fair. It worked like a charm. He used turpentine oil instead. Kaboom! He was actually kicked out of his group for being an underdog among them. But with your awesome tutorial, he came a celebrity in his school. Such a rad feeling. Next time we are going for Quantum Levitation.
Question about the piezoelectric ignitor: Hardware store wanted $15 for one, so I decided to get a cheap butane style lighter and take it apart for the ignitor inside. Do you think this will work or will it generate too small of a spark? Also, does the wire length affect how much of a spark you get at the tips of the wires? Could you make the wires about 10' long and still get a good enough spark out of it or are there losses to the resistance of the wire?
The smaller igniters are weaker but they can still work with a smaller spark gap. There is significant loss caused by longer wire, but you can try making them as long as you want and just cut them down if it doesn't work. You probably won't have much luck with both longer wires and the weaker igniter.
I can definitely see this being a blast at backyard events
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For those who didn't manage to get the ignition. If you have >70% alcohol and you're sure you have the spark, it has to be the temperature of the mixture. I was having problems with ignition when the temperature was below 20 Celsius. What you can do is you can use a hairdryer to warm the bottle. Then it works every time. Good luck!
Btw.@NightHawkInLight awesome idea!
Good and workable idea. Temp is critical. However, remember that the as the hand held hair dryer runs it has continuous sparking inside the electric motor. The alcohol vapor can waft to the mouth of the plastic bottle. If too near the spark, it can ignite and you'll be holding a flame thrower bottle. In a similar experiment - to my surprise - I had an alcohol vapor flame shooting off the bottle. (I was sure the vapor was not close/concentrated enough - I was wrong.) The result was exciting but quite unsettling.
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Ironically the technology used in the Barbecue lighters is the same as was used in the German Panzershrek. The circle is now complete.
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Both use electricity, but they're quite different. In a lighter, a spring loaded striker hits a piezoelectric crystal, creating a high voltage spark. In the Panzerschreck, the striker drives a magnet through copper windings, exactly like a mini electric generator.
I tried this experiment and it worked great! What I also found is that after swinging the fuel drops out you should give it a quick blow into the mouth of the bottle. I compared that launch to ones where I didn't blow into it and the one where I blew into it flew significantly farther. I recommend giving it a quick blow before each launch. I found out that if you leave even small amounts of alcohol in the bottle, it will sometimes drip onto the launcher and set it on fire after launch. But anyways, Thank you for the amazing project! The kids in the neighborhood love it!
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@@anthonyendack3138 Just a standard grill igniter
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I'd just like to say that it's really cool that you're actually replying to most of the comments here. It's pretty rare to see youtubers that do that nowadays.
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Very cool project!
Mine didn't go very far like in the video. It was a little disappointing. But then I changed bottles and it was really cool! The first bottle was wide at the top (Pepsi bottle), whereas the other was more narrow and fit more snuggly on the pipe (Sprite bottle). It makes quite a bit of difference.
The more alcohol vapor, the better
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Lot of uses for those piezo igniters.
Thanks for this video. A few notes: You can get 99% rubbing alcohol now which might work better for sparking if you are having any issues.
Most grill igniters will NOT WORK since they only have 1 probe. They assume you set up that probe right next to a metal gas port to make the spark. As such, you need to have a TWO CHANNEL one, and use one wire from each.
I used the 3 channel brinkmann igniter, capped the third one, and used the wires from channels 1 and 2 to spark to each other. They even have nice terminators at the end. You discard the probe thingees themselves.
I also recommend NOT using a piezoelectric since you have to push really hard on the button to make the internal hammer hit the quartz crystal. A 1xAA is much nicer, on a relatively flimsy launcher.
I made these and tried using a couple different fuels: 95% Isopropyl Rubbing Alcohol, Denaturated Alcohol, Ethanol, Methanol, Gasoline, and Nitro RC Fuel and the Nitro RC Fuel and Ethanol seem to be the most powerful and easiest to use. When using gasoline, you need to use a very small amount of gasoline and you need to blow into the bottle a lot in order to achieve an air-fuel ratio that will burn because if you don't, the mixture will be too rich to ignite. Gasoline also produces a very bright flame compared to the others, and also produces black smoke and soot inside the bottle. Next I might try oxyacetylene!
What you have here used to be referred to as a spigot mortar, because the "barrel" is INSIDE the projectile rather than ENCLOSING it
During WW Two, they were used in anti-submarine warfare. They were better than depth charges, as they wouldn't go off unless they hit something.
A ship would be fitted with racks of up to 20 mortars, slightly splayed out so that, when fired, the bombs would form a spread out pattern, making it more likely they'd hit a submerged sub
Great video! I'm going to have to try this one out.
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Awesome! Just built one and it works great. I didn't expect it to be so loud but that only adds to the excitement. Now to see what else I can launch with it. Thanks for the great video.
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This was for my daughters science project. If you are getting a good spark, I believe it is most likely is a fuel problem. Like others, we were using 91% alcohol from the grocery store. After trying for half an hour we only got it to fire 2 times in 70F degree weather. The spark also had all but disappeared after half an hour trying. I tried burning the 91% alcohol in an alcohol stove and it would not light, I think it may be watered down. I let it dry out (30 min), the spark was better, so we made sure we had a good spark across about an 1/8 inch (3mm) gap. We switched to Everclear 95% grain alcohol, which is what I use in my alcohol stove. The rocket fired in 1-3 clicks every time.
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I tried this at home and it isn't working. What might I be doing wrong?
About 50 years ago we made tennis ball canons out of pop cans. Of course the cans were way different back then in design and these ones had the zip tope or shall I say pull tab tops. 4 or 5 cans cleanly cut then a rough cut and to trap the ball and then on the other end of that a untouched top with the pull tab whole and a two can chamber. Add a small hole in the center of the bottom four ignition and fuel addition. My first one was taped together with a number of layers of electrical tape and was fueled by gasoline. Squirt a little gasoline in the butt end and then start shaking the apparatus around to get some air into it. Drop a tennis ball in the top and it slid down very nicely until it hit the jagged part. Lighte it off and boom that puppy would send tennis balls a hundred yards. I improved on it by using much much better tape plus a whole heck of a lot more including covering the whole surface and then used a spray can of starting fluid a.k.a. ether for the fuel. You could either shoot a tennis ball or just make one super loud boom. Kind of like the old carbide canons. I had a lot of fun with it in college.
instructions unclear- i dont have a house anymore, assumed uranium would work as fuel. But in all seriousness, awesome project!!
This is like the can and soda can launchers you could also use tennis balls in when I was a kid, only this seems safer to use. Now I'm going to have to make one of these. Thanks.
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Playing with bottle rockets is always cool!
We built a smaller version of this launcher and had a lot of fun learning about rockets! We posted a video sharing the experience on our channel. We enjoy watching your videos, thanks!
Love it! I’m going to show my daughter this.
I have many new versions of this project if you search for bottle launcher on my channel
Made a shoulder-fired variety that fires 20 oz bottles and had the coos called. Good times 😂👌✌️
My son and I just made this! Awsome cheap fun! We could not get the rubbing alcohol with high enough alcohol content. We settled on a small blue propane torch and filled the pop bottle for 15 seconds. This worked great!
...and this caused me to imagine a super soaker of sorts with a nice little injector atomizing alcohol as you pump action and that igniter on the trigger. Chk chk... BOOM.
😂 In tomorrow's news...burglars swayed with alcohol induced super soaker and 16oz Coke bottles.
Made this fun project. Some things I learned.
I found that "not less than 99%" alcohol gave me 100% function.
The igniter has more than enough spark.
I made one with a kind of stun gun igniter, and it didn't help with any lower content alcohol.
Need to be sure NO liquid alcohol is in the bottle. I almost burnt one up when the liquid kept on burning in the launcher.
Found out, by mistake, it sometimes fires twice, after first firing, without adding more alcohol.
Stuck the bottle on after firing, and wanted to check for spark. BANG!!! it went off.
Always point it in a safe direction, and don't do it indoors.
Because it's so loud, I only fire it at the shooting range.
Has anyone fired it at night????
Is there any flame????
Supersoda cannon!!
YAY its kipkay
When I was a kid, we used to make tennis ball canons. They were tin beer and coke cans, 3 with the bottoms and tops cut off and one at the bottom with top and bottom still on it, all taped together. The bottom can had a small hole about an inch from the bottom. The hard part was carburating the lighter fluid and air just right. Kids assume that the more lighter fluid, the bigger the boom. That's not the case. And I figured out by accident the best way to carburate it. Just a squirt down the top, then one good swing holding the bottom with the top outwards, them shoving the tennis ball in right after swinging it. Light it at the bottom hole. DO NOT USE GASOLINE. USE ZIPPO LIGHTER FLUID ONLY. DO NOT POINT IT AT ANYONE.
guys instead of rubbing alcohol i used nuclear fission help.
with what
Euan C It could quite replace that. 😁
Girlyman I used Nuclear Fusion and caused a second Tunguska
Euan C hahaha, may i suggest antimatter for more efficiency? :-)
Guys my nuclear fusion looks kinda weird and glowy
This is a great way to have fun with the kids at family functions, barbecues, etc..
Give out prizes to the kids for whoever's rocket goes the farthest and similar games.
I used propane and that worked really well
that is really cool
Nice! How did it go?
This could probably be done a lot more simply. Just tape a pushbutton-igniting propane torch to one end of a 1/2" pipe, put the neck of the 2l bottle on the other end as shown, wiggle the smaller bottle on the other end also as shown, then flow mixed air/propane into the bottle from the torch for several seconds and pull the trigger. A way to vent air from the bottle as propane/air mix flows in may or may not be necessary.
Artimus Protensor I think NightHawkInLight did that in another video.
I built it and it isn't working! I had one lucky shot, but for the life of me I can't get it to ignite again. I'm using 91%, my spark is nice and big, and I'm using the technique you showed us... Any ideas?
+J ClarKent The alcohol could be too cold to evaporate properly.
NightHawkInLight Thanks for getting back so soon! I never fixed the problem, but I've been using propane instead and haven't had any problems. Keep the videos coming!
Too anyone having problems firing this, and you're doing everything right, please read this. Your problem is going to be the fuel, as it should be at least 90%. More, make sure when fueling to use a ver very small amount of rubbing alcohol in the bottle (less than 1 cm in height). Make sure there is no liquid left in the bottle. The most important thing, is the temperature. The General rule of thumb is if you can go outside with jeans and a t shirt on and feel fine (like no problems) then it is warm enough to fire. Anything less and it most likely won't fire. I hope this helps
ty. ill heat my alcohol over open fire
I made this almost exactly as shown, but haven't had a successful launch yet. I do have a spark every time I test it where I can see the spark (inside). I have tried 70% alcohol and 95%. Any advice on how to get it going?
If you're getting spark but the rocket is not firing it means your fuel to air ratio is incorrect for proper combustion. If you have too much fuel vapor in the bottle the spark will be a bright neon blue. If so, take the bottle off and shake it a few more times as if you were swinging out extra liquid, that will mix more air in and get rid of excess fuel. If the spark looks the same color as it is when the bottle is off you probably don't have enough fuel and you should shake the liquid alcohol around more before draining it.
NightHawkInLight This is what someone on Reddit (maybe you) told me yesterday. So today I spent a lot more time shaking it out and introducing oxygen various ways. Nothing worked. Also because I am not that knowledgeable about piezoelectricity, does it matter that the wire that the spark jumps to is not attached to anything? Because I had a spark I assumed it wouldn't matter, but at this point I am considering all options. Thanks for the response (and so fast too).
Glenn Kachmar Yes that was me that replied on Reddit. The wire that the spark is jumping to should be attached to the second terminal on the igniter. In any case, between tests are you letting the bottles air out all the old fuel? If you just keep adding more while there's already some in there it will be over fueled for sure. If you take a match to the back of a bottle that you have failed to fire does it ignite the fuel inside and burn with a 'woosh'? If not then it's not properly fueled. If it does ignite and burn very quickly it is properly fueled and you can then know that it's your spark gap that needs adjustment, not the fuel. Wear cotton gloves to protect you if you try this, not synthetic, because synthetic gloves will melt to your skin if they catch fire.
NightHawkInLight Now that I think about it, another reason I didn't attach it was that there seemed to be anywhere to attach it to. A guy in a BBQ dept. gave me the igniter and it just had a stub like end next to a thick wire with ceramic insulation cylinder around part of it. It didn't seem to be a circuit and it made a spark so I thought I don't need to make it a circuit. It was mostly guesswork as you can imagine. Sorry to keep peppering you with questions, but will I get a stronger spark if I remake it making sure that it is a circuit?
Glenn Kachmar If there is a spark occurring across the gap as is shown at 2:00 in my video then it's as it should be.
Cool. Looks like a fun backyard project
I've made this for a class I'm teaching on rockets and I cannot get the rocket to launch consistently. It is ~ 40-45 deg out so I moved from rubbing alcohol to hairspray but I still cannot get the rocket to launch consistently. It seems like my spark is very dim once I put the bottle on the launcher. When I remove the bottle the spark seems very strong. Thoughts? Help please as my last class is this week and I'd hate for the 1st graders not to get a launch in. Thanks.
+Donny Bui Hey sorry for the delay in my reply, I don't know how I didn't see this comment earlier. It could be that your alcohol is a bit too cold. Try keeping it indoors before taking it out to fire the rockets. The higher the concentration of alcohol the better. 91% is the most common and works well. The dim spark may be from overfueling, which would mean you need to give the bottles an extra shake or two before putting them on the launcher so they get more fresh air mixed with the alcohol.
+Donny Bui
Try denatured alcohol.
+NightHawkInLight I just made this and was having the same issue. It worked perfectly when the alcohol was kept inside. But when loading it in 35 degree weather it didn't work worth squat. Also it was raining; would that have any affect? I'm pretty sure everything was dry. I was definitely getting a spark. Really looking forward to getting this to work better because it was really cool. And I was trying it with 70%; I bought 91% but only got to see it once.
+NightHawkInLight what if i used a piezoelectric igniter (the small one) would it works
Thanks for the advice unfortunately the kids did not all get to see it work. I'm going to try it again during the Spring and hopefully I'll have documentation on the results for future classes.
Awesome! I can't wait to try this!
It's for a class activity. Will try it on my own first. Hope the administration approves.
Who else modded this, so it could be a shoulder mounted rocket launcher.
im planning to.
@@One_Soldier64127 It is not hard at all, very simple, and dangerous as hell, but fun as hell.
@@Chevelled hell yeah imma build it next time
@@One_Soldier64127 Perfect anti child device
@@Chevelled i AM the child (11y/o)
Made the launcher this past weekend. Kids love it! Thank you!
An undercover look into North Korea's missile program.
Doophys 600RR well now I'm sure they won't be invading anyone anytime soon
Doophys 600RR you sir, have made my day!
I know what we are doing in homeschool next week! I can't freakin' wait!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you use starter fluid or gasoline in the same way?
A mate made one of these - very similar, anyway, and used spray deodorant, believe it or not. Just a squirt into the missile and then jammed it on. Ka-blammo!
These work awesome and loud. the first few times I couldn't get it to work with the alcohol because it was too cold so I put the gas from a lighter in the bottle instead. Later after it warmed up the alcohol worked amazingly.
dose it work in protest of anti-Tyrant
One curious thing I had happen-I launched a bottle horizontally across the yard as a test, with a chain link fence as backstop. When I picked up the bottle, it had a ton of dirt in it! I think this is because the gases cooled and contracted around the same time the bottle bounced off the ground, so it sucked in dirt. This makes me wonder if it also pulls in enough oxygen again for the next launch.
in 2013 i improved on the idea. 2l bottle, metered propane, and water. ignition with a home made stun gun. more power, very consistent. then i went a few steps further and made a way to add more power without changing the fuel/propellant/volume. how i did that can be seen in some of my videos ;) one is propelled with beer.
Reminds me of the Tennis Ball Cannons we played with back in the day... three or four cans taped together, tops and bottoms removed for the cannon barrel, with the bottom can keeping it's bottom, and lots of large vent holes in the top to keep the tennis ball from sliding into the fire chamber... small ignition and fuel hole in the bottom of the bottom can.. squirt a bit of fuel, shake it to aerate, load a not-too-furry tennis ball, and put a Bic lighter to the fuel hole.. BOOM!!! The cannon literally takes minutes to make.
I see you used Faygo bottles.
have you experimented with fins on the rocket like you did on the other rocket project? thanks, this looks like fun.
An excuse to buy more faygo!
When you come to think of it, this is really a projectile, not a rocket. but this is great fun though. Could be an awesome dad-son weekend project.
cool but not "a couple hundred feet"
Design a rocket out of the bottle and you’ll get that couple hundred feet.
Wat a cool video. Clear step bij step explanation. You made it easy to make it just by following your instructions. Do you think it is possible to use methylated spirit / industrial alcohol instead of rubbing alcohol?
Yes, various alcohols will work fine if 90+% concentration. You may want to look at my newer propane bottle rocket launchers as they are more reliable in cold weather where alcohol does not evaporate so easily.
Try deodorant spray or propane, don't have to worry about atomizing a liquid fuel as with alcohol. But alcohol has higher energy density, so there's that advantage.
BTW Hawk, did you happen to get this idea from Spudfiles?
... ok, mine's not working. Old alcohol maybe? I don't have any insulation showing from wires in the glue either, not that I see this making a difference. It worked with some lighter fluid but obviously, this is much more volatile than the alcohol it seems, it melted the plastic bottle a bit but was loud and shot pretty high (fired it straight up) in the air. Thoughts? I'm taking all safety measures in the process and I'm going to do a Polish cannon like we used to do when we were kids, they were pretty loud as I recall. And no, I'm not taking retirement very well.
You need at least 95% alcohol. Scroll through the other comments and you should find lots of questions and answers to misfiring problems. I no longer use alcohol but have new bottle launcher videos demonstrating how to use propane which is less prone to failure.
I've had some trouble getting consistent ignition. Even 70% worked fine, and then it stopped working without 95%, and then even that wasn't working so well. I think my piezo might be wearing out?! It's extracted from a pocket lighter. (Need to get a grill lighter to see if that works better.)
I may have also been having capacitive coupling issues when I was using an old telephone cord (4p2c) for the two wires for the igniter. Interesting failure mode, but not the complete picture.
Lastly, I've been trying this with a 1L water bottle. Very thin-walled, might be at mild risk of rupture. But I think it also isn't as *rigid*, which might dampen some of the force transfer. Will try to find a soda bottle...
Could be your igniter wires are too long. The spark loses power with long wires. Alcohol can be tricky though. I've switched to using propane if you watch my newer bottle launcher videos
@@Nighthawkinlight Yeah, I saw the propane ones! I think I have to stick with alcohol (I'm in the city, people will be less touch about that) but I'll focus on getting the leads as short as possible and see about maximizing the spark. I saw your comment about tinning the spark gap leads as well, and will try that too.
Years ago 24 ounce plastic bottles you could launch a 12 ounce aluminum can. Manual can opener to remove the top of the can, cut the bottom out of the bottle, put two screws in the neck of bottle for your spark gap. IMA fan of Dr pepper, so I called it a flaming Dr pepper, as the can would still be on fire from the wife's hairspray. Try a degreaser called "quick peel" made with oranges :)
Wouldn't it make more sense to ignite the mixture near the opening? Because I'm sure a lot of unburned fuel gets pushed out of the bottle before it ignites. You could make a comparison
In the rocket aspect, yes. But the pipe extending deep into the bottle actually makes it fire off more like a cannon in the first instant of ignition, which gives a huge extra boost in initial speed.
I'm converting my CR90 Anti Tank rocket launcher into this! Wish me luck! 😍
That's bad ass! Definitely gonna do this with the kids
I'm sure this could be my science project this year!
congrats on 1,000,000
Successfully test fired mine last night. It looks AWESOME when fired in the dark.
I took this idea and minimized it into a a small pistol design, it's a ton of fun to use, and extremely loud (and slightly scary having an explosion go off a few inches from my hand)
Works great
I used a broomstick and a regular water bottle to launch it
Works beautifully
What kind of soldering gun is that? It looks, interesting
Thank you for sharing! I made a handheld version of this using just 1/2 inch PVC pipe, an elbow, and a couple PVC caps. I'm still having trouble getting this to fire, but I wonder if it's because of the bottles I'm using. I was trying small drinking bottles, but found out that the bottles were not airtight, so I'm wondering if the vapor is possibly leaking out. I'll try using 2 liter bottles as demonstrated in the video, and I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks!
I'm not using 2 liter bottles, they're 12oz. Still small. If you're having trouble firing it's almost certainly because you're using too much or too little fuel.
NightHawkInLight I've tried a couple of different sizes now, and still can't seem to get it to fire. I tried using a lighter, and was surprised with how much thrust shot out at my hand. I'll try different things, though, and hopefully I'll get it to work.
***** It may be your spark gap that needs adjustment in that case.
NightHawkInLight That's what I was thinking. I think I'm using too much wire, because the spark seems fairly week, but still looks the same as the one in the video. I'll try to fix the spark gap and lose a little bit of wire, and hopefully that'll help.
NightHawkInLight Alright, so I still can't get this to fire. I've messed with the spark gap and fuel ratio, and tried different bottles as well. I even tried hairspray (which was mentioned in the comments, NOT a safe idea by the way). I tried it with hairspray while the bottle was on the tube, and no fire. Tried it by just getting a spark by the opening, and the entire bottle turned into a giant fireball. So maybe it is the fuel ratio? Maybe I'm not getting enough oxygen still?
NightHawkInLight any chance for making airconditioning out of old fridge parts or anything else?
All the best, thaaaanks!
Interesting idea, it really wouldn't take much.
How could somebody dislike this
Excellent idea that makes the little ones happy and creative, as well as the big ones.
Please, which Push Button Barbecue Igniter did you use? I'm asking so I don't buy by mistake from ebay.
Hi, I recommend making a newer version of this launcher that uses a torch instead of alcohol: ruclips.net/video/iiH1l3zTSaQ/видео.html
meanwhile in Poland: Wybuchające beczki - strzelanie z karbidu - Święta Wielkanocne
I have had the same issue that very few people had. Which is when I press down the button, it won't launch. I use 91% isopropyl Alchohol and it still doesn't launch, and there's also a spark in the bottle. I don't know what's going on but if u don't know, then that's totally cool. My main question is, "is there a way to get it to launch???"
Heat the bottle
seams a little weight on the end and maybe a few tail fins would make the rockets fly more stable trajectories after launch
very good presentation, clear and thorough and interesting to watch , I will try this for the kids, I see people throwing out barbeques all the time...will certainly grab an igniter or 2 next time
Like the music, and the rockets obviously :)
Small upgrade: get some endcaps to mount the igniters, that will stop them from melting into the hot glue.
Hey nighthawk had a question. What about a bbq lighter ? Will it give the same kind of ignition for this project. I have a couple of old ones laying around. Grate video by the way ..
If you didn't fire it off right away. How long would the fumes from the Alcohol last ? Days, hours, Minutes ?
If you don’t have wires you can also use a long fuse that you light and wait for it to reach the bottle
It would appear that not all grill ignitors are created equal. I bought one off of Amazon that looked similar, but it doesn't create a spark. It appears as though some grill ignitors are just a simple switch, while others actually create a spark.
Have you attempted to implement this on a field? Was wondering if there are any waiver complications, restrictions on fields for doing something like this.
i have a project coming up on this halloween its an egg drop and after trying water rockets,airplanes and other various types. I've concluded this is the best, I need to know the specific igniter because the ones i'm seeing aren't the same. If u have a link can you please give it to me.
thanks
Sir, I am trying to find the bbq ignition you used for this project. Was this a weber bbq igniter? I have decided to use the bbq ignition instead of alcohol or anything like that. If possible, could you send a link? I would greatly appreciate it.
Thank you for answering.
Now to make the bottle more aerodynamic with a nose cone and tail fins
Might as well add on some wings too.
will add more weight and likely drop range.
Successful ignition is temperature dependent. I made this launcher on a cool (65 degrees F), overcast day, and had no success. I tried it again on a warmer (75 degrees F) sunny day, and it ignited every time. It didn't at first, but I left the alcohol (70%) and the bottle out in the sun for about 30 minutes, and then it worked perfectly.
Always solder the connections. Yes, you can twist them together, but the question is will they work when you need them most?
Tinning the ends of the wire where the spark jumps will help in longevity as well.
That looks like fun!
What percent alcohol are you using? when using isopropyl alcohol as a fuel, I find 70% works well, 50% does not burn well, and 90% buns too fast, but this might all be different for this particular application.
I have so much DIY weapon knowledge now that I can make grenades, blowguns, throwing knives and tonnes of armour pieces.
Does the bottle need to be tight on the tube? I have tried many times to get this to work and it doesn't. Since the igniter is working properly, the only flaw I could possibly think of that would be preventing the launch of the bottle is the tightness of it on the PVC pipe. Any suggestions?
+Elijah Sech Yes it needs to be fairly tight and the alcohol needs to be at least 90%
+NightHawkInLight I tried it for a cousin's high school science fair. It worked like a charm. He used turpentine oil instead. Kaboom! He was actually kicked out of his group for being an underdog among them. But with your awesome tutorial, he came a celebrity in his school. Such a rad feeling. Next time we are going for Quantum Levitation.
Question about the piezoelectric ignitor:
Hardware store wanted $15 for one, so I decided to get a cheap butane style lighter and take it apart for the ignitor inside. Do you think this will work or will it generate too small of a spark? Also, does the wire length affect how much of a spark you get at the tips of the wires? Could you make the wires about 10' long and still get a good enough spark out of it or are there losses to the resistance of the wire?
The smaller igniters are weaker but they can still work with a smaller spark gap. There is significant loss caused by longer wire, but you can try making them as long as you want and just cut them down if it doesn't work. You probably won't have much luck with both longer wires and the weaker igniter.
Propane from a torch works better than alcohol, the air fuel is mixed as it comes out of the propane torch.
Does alcohol with a concentration of 90% provide greater thrust/force on the rocket compared to the one with a concentration of 70%?
Like the use of Faygo bottles, are you from Michigan?
I sure am.
How about some Vernors bottles next time ; )
You'd get a better burn with the bottle higher up the holder, as is you push much of the alcohol mix out of the bottle.