For increasing the pressure, it could help to shape the interior face of the propellant with a form that maximizes the surface area for combustion. I've seen on some old book that different shapes, like cross, star, etc, give different acceleration profiles over just a cylindrical shape
yup, more surface area to burn..burns faster, more power. as long as the casing is up to containing it. i remember long ago, peeling some ppr from Estes blk powder engines and..yeah, less weight, lil higher! next try, i took too much. Rocket (not a fancy model, just a cheap cardboard tube & a stick, ala a home brew bottle rocket..went about 20' up and the case split..was really neat, though.. like a roaring, ascending smoke bomb! :)
The process in the video is what my dad used as a kid, when they did not have enough allowance to buy the right chemicals. If I recall, he used pencils as the mold for the core, and clay for the nozzle. I don't remember what else was used, but it had a 50/50 chance of working as a rocket. The other outcome would be blowing a small crater in the ground. Those experiments stopped when his brother wanted to see what it was like to launch one in his hands by putting it on a half-inch steel plate. The explosion was so forceful it actually pierced the plate like a shape-charge, and I think he said that was the last one they ever built (for obvious reasons). They also did lots of other dumb things like trying to build a breeder reactor like David Hahn did. I don't think they made what they wanted, but he said it was so radioactive that the Geiger counter needle pegged on all the scales, and they both drew straws as to who would be the one to go in and deactivate it before it irradiated the whole neighborhood. Ah, all the crazy things you could do in the 50's before 9/11, the beer virus, and "the current year."
Also, now I remember him mentioning they also had to use anhydrous ethanol to turn it into a paste and compress it to mold the propellant core, so it was completely solid. Any small cracks or voids would alter the burn rate enough to make it go bang. Seemed like a lot of work to me when he explained it but being the start of the space age probably really had an effect on how people viewed the world and the future that could be, but never was.
Yep, the Shuttle's segmented boosters changed shape to keep a specifically designed thrust curve throughout flight. They even "throttled" through max-Q, which is neat.
@@franksierow5792 The guy above me is correct, but I would amend that slightly. There are no universally accepted definitions for either. But, commonly: engines typically have moving mechanisms and parts that are needed somewhere in the process to turn fuel into motion. This is usually true of liquids, since 9/10 they need to be pumped, or compressed, or atomized or all 3. Solids typically don't. They traditionally just burn, and provide immediate forward thrust. A gas drinking move-y thing is an engine. Lots of little things moving and rotating, and transmitting different mechanical/electrical power to parts of the thing to make sure air and fuel are right and spark the thing, to turn this spinny thing, to move that other thing... all drowning in oil...? Definitely an engine. Electrical spinny thing that just turns on when source is applied? Solid thing that just sits there, burns, and provides immediate forward thrust when it burns? Definitely motors. Simply add fuel or make initial reaction=immediately go. Sort of.
@@cgplayz545 You'll find both the Goddard and V2 rockets with their propulsive units indiscriminately referred to as "motors". See Wikipedia on the V2, and "Dr. Robert H. Goddard, American Rocketry Pioneer" --NASA website. Also: Combustion in Liquid-Fuel Rocket Motors. Aeronautical Quarterly , Volume 10 , Issue 1 , February 1959 , pp. 1 - 2 . Conversely, note Estes referring to their "engines", likewise the Wikipedia article on the company.
As someone who dabbled extensively with pyrotechnics long ago, I was nodding along since everything was quite familiar until you used silicone sealant as a fuel. I almost fell off my chair. That is *so cool*! It seems like a decent fuel but with the added benefit of having a built-in binder/stabilizer. Looks so easy to work with, and gives such a super smooth burn. So stable, in fact, that it makes the otherwise hazardous chlorate viable for something other than explosive charges! Would have loved to hear what it sounds and smells like as you launch the rocket (I often get nostalgic when I smell burnt black powder).
In my nerdy wayward youth as an aspiring bomb nut I used to love those Solidox pellets you used to be able to buy for use in those Sears Solidox welders back in the 70's and 80's. They were mostly sodium chlorate. I'd crush them up, sift out those wonderful asbestos fibers that were embedded in them for some reason, dissolve it in distilled water, filter the solution with coffee filters then let the water slowly evaporate so the sodium chlorate would grow crystals rather than just precipitating out furthering the purification. I could then grind those crystals into a fine powder and experiment. I found if dissolved in water again, soaked into patches of denim, let dry and hit with a hammer you'd get a gnarly boom. Mixing it with aluminum dust and some antimony sulfide you'd get a good flash powder for making M-80 equivalents but it was stupidly drop, static and friction sensitive so I abandoned that option quick. I later learned to process it into potassium chlorate by reacting it with potassium chloride dietary salt to make a more stable oxidizer for salutes. Yeah sodium chlorate and sugar is a bad combo. I tried my hand at making a pipe bomb with that stuff and it started off just fizzling then as it burned out the hole in the end cap for the fuse it started roaring and took off like a rocket for a bit of distance then blew up like a grenade. Nothing is as fun as getting chased by your own pipe bomb.
Yes the good old days, My Dad's garden shed fell down after I attempted to make a fuel air bomb. The burnt hair on my head & eyebrows was a giveaway to who was the culprit. nothing grew on the ground around there for a long time after too.
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Small correction: Make sure you use distilled water with this process. If you use any other water, tap water or bottled water you will have to remove the minerals after the synthesis process.
@@bezimienny1337 you may be thinking about deionized water. Distilled water has less minerals, but is being used as a universal solvent to make a sodium chloride solution. Salt water is an excellent conductor and will work quite well. Deionized water doesn't conduct electricity because it has no free ions. That is no longer the case when you add salt. So either one will work for the experiment.
Nice video. Just a couple suggestions -lead dioxide coating the anode will work for converting chloride to chlorate/ perchlorate. I have made these on titanium mesh by electro-deposition from lead/copper nitrate solution (8-1 ratio). Platinum is quite expensive, lead is cheap. I use a 100 watt solar panel for DC input. And-if you want a better propellant, react your saturated NaCLO4 solution with HCL to form NaCL and perchloric acid, decant to separate-then neutralize with ammonium hydroxide to form ammonium perchlorate.
Don't breathe in the fumes trough! Burning silicone sealant as fuel leaves extremely fine silicon oxide powder, exposure can cause a serious lung condition called silicosis.
Was going to say the same thing. Silicone is a poor choice for fuel. Not just because silica is horrible to breathe, but because it's a solid and for good thrust you need gas production. An acrylic latex sealant would be much better choice.
@@whatelseison8970 So if I want to build a rocket in my garage that could fly all the way to let's say North Korea.. I could follow this recipe and just swap latex sealant for silicone sealant? Also, do you know of any laws or treaties that would prevent a civilian like myself from declaring war on a country and launching a rocket attack against them?
@@whatelseison8970 well, with the pretense of this being 'emergancy signal rocket' you'd use whatever you had. Naturally making your own High-power rocket motors when you've got time on your hands, you'd pick better materials. you're correct in this being a much better fuel.
It always surprises me that saying that is necessary, it seems logical to me that one doesn't breath in fumes.. (but) because there's always some fool who thinks he can breath that.. someone needs to warn him/her (s)he shouldn't ..
Great video, love your channel! But...the propellent you made at the end clearly wasn't made from sodium chlorate. Sodium chlorate would've caused the flame to be extraordinarily yellow, but your flame was more of a whitish-purple, indicative of potassium chlorate. My best guess: the sodium chlorate you made was too impure and didn't work as well (or the quantity was too small), so you subbed it with the potassium chlorate, which is more common. Still, love the content, keep it coming man!
@@airfighterxgg3559 You could use the differences in solubility to improve quality: sodium chlorate is 10X more soluble than salt at water's boiling point, so you could probably concentrate it to at least 90% NaClO3 that way. Sodium chlorate is also soluble in some solvents that salt is mostly insoluble in, such as methanol. As for quantity, you'd just have to do multiple batches or use a larger/more powerful electrolysis unit.
@@LabCoatz_Science Ok, thanks i ll try to make some for next new years eve in germany, we got restrictions on firework the last 2 years would be nice to see it again
@@amarissimus29 Not snobbish, I'm simply making an educated observation. If you had half the experience and education that I do, you'd understand why I made such a statement. But why bother trying to explain myself to someone who calls potassium "poserium" and thinks hard science is bullsh!t? How about letting people engage in conversation without getting butthurt?
Love how it starts with table salt, and then we need titanium with coatings of elements most people don’t even know exist. Excellent video! Do love it.
"My technologically advanced pole" 😂 This was one of the more entertaining videos I've seen you do. The videos where you are experimenting with different chemicals are very interesting as well, but videos like this are probably more appealing to a wider audience.
All respect and admiration for the great efforts and patience to make this video!! Also, we should not forget the times of testing, analysing, and repeating the experiments.. It's good and great job you have there, my friend.. Bless you 🌹
im british, living in estonia. I dont speak the language yet, so its sooo hard finding ingredients. not just for fun projects but for my workshop too :D thanks for sharing
How well do these store? Sodium chlorate is extremely hygroscopic, to the point of having no practical use in fireworks. However, your mixing with silicon adhesive looks like it might offer some level of waterproofing.
Not fireworks exactly, but sodium chlorate was often found in smoke formulations. Also, mars has very little atmosphere and is very cold, so there will not be much water vapour around.
@@bobthebomb1596 everywhere where there is air there is water, and the storage might be connected to the air presured buildings on mars. And btw he is not asking for space purpose more like entertaining purpose.. And that whas my question aswel, and there are silicon based glue that have other acids in them that could comprimise the structure.. Al goes wel for a few day but there WILL be addition unintended effects; like spontanious self combustion or releasing dangerous gasses
@@robertoeijs Atmospheric water vapour concentration on Mars is thousands of times lower than here on earth. A well packaged chlorate-based pyrotechnic can have a shelf life of at least a year on earth. Anyone working with pyrotechnic compositions (or any energetic material) will undertake small scale compatibility trials as part of the formulation process. This involves any constituents and also any packaging/adhesives the composition is likely to come into contact with.
You can press a nozzle out of clay and use simple endburning fuel. It´s a safe solution. For hobby purposes, kitty liter proves fantastic for that. Use a big grinder to make the nozzle shape and a smaller one for the nozzle core.
Mr. Thoi Soi, you are SO GIFTED ! As good as or more talented than most of the people I met at Stanford and in Silicon Valley. It would be great to see a video about how to separate Deuterium from Protium, i.e. how to separate H2 from H1.
you can also make a star shaped hole. increasing the initial surface area, then at it burns it shrinks down to a more rounded hole.so you get a strong initial push, then a consistent burn later.
I used linseed-oil impregnated carbon rods as electrodes. They broke down over time and the carbon particles needed filtering. They were cheap...'gouging rods' with the copper stripped off.
@HAIL FLOCH yeah. I was planing to use graphite electrodes. As it also works, and is cheaper than titanium and platinum, i could get more cells, all working at the same time, and make much more NaClO3 at once.
@HAIL FLOCH yeah. I will try to build them soon. Only things im afraid of are the chlorine gas that might leak, and the hydrogen, that i wanted to give a use to.
I didn't know that chlorate:silicon mixture is such a good fuel! Nice video Thoisoi as always! Small amount of dichromate or molybdate will increase electrolysis efficiency. I think that some dichromate can be found in space lab ;).
With electricity you could make pure iron out of the rust, and pure aluminum out of the alumina dust. There is silicon dioxide as well, so thermite production on Mars is viable. Thermite can be used not just for incendiaries, but also for welding and even smelting of metals. Splitting water produces hydrogen and oxygen as well, so balloons could be made out of mylar to loft a simple wire antenna to altitude for communications.
When you put your hand in that bucket filled with fuel my heart skipped a beat! For next video, maybe some burn rate tests with some catalyst such as iron oxide? Never thought such an otc binder could be used successfully, considering you didn't even use a proper nozzle
@@airfighterxgg3559 many transition metal oxides catalyze reactions that produce O2, such as chlorate or H2O2 decompositon. AFAIK Fe2O3 works the best for chlorate, but FeO MnO2 etc could also be used. Ofc only a very small amount is needed (in the order of 1%) as catalysts dont get used up in the main reaction
Getting a sodium chlorate rocket to work is impressive! No matter what fuel you use, they tend to explode. Why not go all the way to perchlorate and have a safer rocket? Sodium chlorate and perchlorate are pretty hygroscopic, you did a great job of avoiding this.
That was potassium chlorate, not sodium chlorate. The beautiful purple flames are a dead giveaway. Guessing the home made sodium chlorate was not pure enough, so he went with commercial KClO3. NaClO3 would have made yellow flames.
It's not often you come across a technical video where absolutely no facts need be corrected for accuracy. Even the note about once you touch off a solid booster there's no off switch was stated. Nailed it across the board!
You clearly have a talent for explaining complex issues in a simple and understandable way. I mean even i understand what you say and that means something.
The method presented cannot be used to obtain NaClO3 for rocket fuel. The residual NaCl must be removed, because not everything has reacted during the electrolysis. I assume you simply bought NaClO3 :) 11:04 - KClO4 is suitable for rockets... it is the most commonly used compound in pyrotechnics 13:11 - Mixtures with KClO3 are sensitive to friction and impacts, but do not detonate. This is not a detonation but a deflagration.
Depends how long he ran the electrolysis for and whether he used a stirrer. if he left the anodic oxidation long enough for all the chloride that became the chlorate to gain another oxygen ion to become perchlorate then he could have done an ion exchange of the sodium perchlorate with potassium chloride as the resulting potassium perchlorate precipitates because it is not very soluble in water and much easier to dry, after that ion exchange reaction with potassium he'd then have NaCl left behind.
@@bobthebomb1596 oh yeah absolutely, just not if the majority of the oxidiser is still only chloride and not chlorate, however if you aim for a perchlorate, there's a bit of redundancy, so at the least, you have chlorate instead of perchlorate rather than chloride instead of chlorate.
In fact, the electrolysis of salt water produces sodium hydroxide and chlorine gas, the chlorine react with the hydroxide to form sodium hypochlorite and the heat of the electrolysis decompose the hypochlorite to chlorates. That's why we need the cell to be around 80°C
I remember mixing salpeter and cocoapowder (which i think also contained a lot of sugar) as a kid to create a flamable powder. is that comparable to your Snickers experiment?
I once read that you can add sodiumbicarbonate in order to slow the reaction with powdered sugar. On the other hand, you could leave one end open, put a projectile in and make a recoilles rifle
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The only part of the sodium chlorate / silicone sealant mixture I would be concerned about is the smoke it produces when it burns: This thick white smoke will contain some extremely fine silica powder, similar to fumed silica. This is something you really don't want to be inhaling, in even the tiniest quantities. It's like microscopic sharp sand, an extremely fine abrasive, which gets deep into your lungs, where it can cause long term problems similar to mesothelioma, aka asbestosis. It's not good to swallow it either, since it lodges into the stomach and intestinal lining, causing similar types of damage there.
Very nice. Have you tried making the rocket with a nozzle? A nozzle works better because the nozzle's constriction increases the pressure in the combustion space. More importantly, the velocity of reaction products increases in the throat of the nozzle. In some cases, it may even be supersonic. This is advantageous because the momentum of the gases is mass x velocity. Mass ejected per second is roughly the same with and without a nozzle; but with a nozzle, the exhaust velocity is much faster, which increases the momentum imparted to the exhaust. Because of Newton's 3rd law of motion, the rocket momentum upward equals the exhaust momentum in the opposite direction. So the rocket will fly faster and higher with a nozzle than without one. There is a limit to how small the nozzle throat can be. If it's too small, the pressure on the fuel may be great enough to cause the rate of burn to exceed the point at which deflagration changes to explosion. Bye-bye missile and anything too close to it. Always experiment with small models before building large ones!
Could you please make a more in-depth video on making platinum anodes.. buying them can get very expensive and there's so many fakes around that buying them is a real gamble
Platinum is just expensive man. There's really no getting around it. Really though, he showed everything you need to know. Dissolve the metal in aqua regia, then plate it back out of solution onto a titanium cathode. Don't expect to save any money doing that though.
@@whatelseison8970 i can get enough platinum from old catalic converters for free but even for those who have to buy a little platinum, at least they can get real platinum and not the fake crap online that dissolves in an hour
What a great video, one of the most interesting so far! You may be able to get an increase in pressure by experimenting with the shape of the interior by using a shaped pressing tool but your cardboard tube might not like it without reinforcement. Also it could be the camera exposure but the flames look a little purple, did you mix in some potassium chlorate for extra kick by chance?
I didn't pick it up on the video but I'd like to know what your mix ratio is for the silicone and the salt. Very good video by the way I played a lot with sugar rockets and black powder and have yet to perfect what I want.
I see a serious safety issue with your chlorate cell: the mixture of hydrogen and chlorine that evolves from the cathode and anode can explode, from as little as exposure to the ultraviolet in sunlight. It would be safer to design the cell so that those two gases are captured separately.
The gases are dispersed into air so quickly that their concentration would never be explosive. Even confined in a balloon and ignited, they'd just make a loud bang, good for a few laughs.
Interesting and awesome video! Question ! Probably a dumb one for the electrodes is it possible to use tungsten rods? And what would happen if you coated with thorium nitrate also?
Actually, on Mars most of the water that can be found is in the form of brine and most likely the brine is most likely going to be from potassium perchlorate.
If you just wanna make a rocket fuel it might actually be a good idea to use graphite electrodes? Since graphite is just Carbon, you basically have your fuel in with your oxidizer, and its still stable enough that you (probably) won´t blow yourself up mixing the fuel grain. Problem is getting the ration right
WARNING: that epoxy resin was a risky move! Most 2-part epoxy heats up when curing, and that heat can be enough to cause ignition!!! I have seen the carnage left by a homemade device that was sealed with epoxy and exploded. You're lucky that didn't happen to you, but it could happen to one of your viewers.
@@palsyddad Interesting. I have embedded running electronics(on a large scale) in various epoxies without issue so my experiences are very different to yours. Maybe the homemade explosive was unstable to begin with. And there is also the possibility of the epoxy components reacting with the explosive. Ultimately epoxy can get hot but it should not(orders of magnitude) be getting hot enough to act as an ignition source.
I'm so glad you continue to use your own voice, I still feel bad about the time you used someone elses.. but then again, you never appear to be speaking English when you talk, so maybe this is just someone elses voice as well...
I am almost positive it is him. My guess is the syncing problems are because he tried to record the audio with the video but it wasn't too good so he overdubbed to make it sound better. He got the sync up a few times but yeah it was off enough to notice. Surprisingly, the reason you notice it so easily is a function in the brain. Even the smallest offset triggers it and makes it seem exaggerated. It is related to the uncanny valley phenomenon actually. Even the slightest difference from what you are accustomed to will trigger the response.
@@Burnt_Gerbil well if that is the case, then he shouldn't bother showing himself with overdubs in the English content. It is off putting to English speakers for the same reason as I said before. The brain can't help but notice it. Most don't realize it is happening subconsciously and just remember the discomfort with it.
@@Burnt_GerbilI am merely stating facts. You assume I have a problem but I have none. Perhaps you are looking to disparage, but I have no time for arrogance. Facts are facts. I am trying to help, not learn Russian.
Love the video, you're using potassium chlorate for all of the actual rocket tests though aren't you? They have the characteristic potassium pinkish color when burned as opposed to the bright yellow that sodium yields.
Great way to illustrate how much energy is in a Snickers bar.
too funny
Just read the calorie content!
In surprised that there is no one Russian here (this video IS translated from a Russian video)
actually it's the same amount of energy you can extract from same amount of uranium
Haha bu çok mantıklı
3:49 - You missed a trick - you could have used a Mars Bar!
even better - a Milky Way Bar!
@@Bender_430 no bro its on mars not in the milky way
For increasing the pressure, it could help to shape the interior face of the propellant with a form that maximizes the surface area for combustion. I've seen on some old book that different shapes, like cross, star, etc, give different acceleration profiles over just a cylindrical shape
yup, more surface area to burn..burns faster, more power. as long as the casing is up to containing it.
i remember long ago, peeling some ppr from Estes blk powder engines and..yeah, less weight, lil higher!
next try, i took too much. Rocket (not a fancy model, just a cheap cardboard tube & a stick, ala a home brew bottle rocket..went about 20' up and the case split..was really neat, though..
like a roaring, ascending smoke bomb! :)
The process in the video is what my dad used as a kid, when they did not have enough allowance to buy the right chemicals. If I recall, he used pencils as the mold for the core, and clay for the nozzle. I don't remember what else was used, but it had a 50/50 chance of working as a rocket. The other outcome would be blowing a small crater in the ground. Those experiments stopped when his brother wanted to see what it was like to launch one in his hands by putting it on a half-inch steel plate. The explosion was so forceful it actually pierced the plate like a shape-charge, and I think he said that was the last one they ever built (for obvious reasons). They also did lots of other dumb things like trying to build a breeder reactor like David Hahn did. I don't think they made what they wanted, but he said it was so radioactive that the Geiger counter needle pegged on all the scales, and they both drew straws as to who would be the one to go in and deactivate it before it irradiated the whole neighborhood. Ah, all the crazy things you could do in the 50's before 9/11, the beer virus, and "the current year."
Also, now I remember him mentioning they also had to use anhydrous ethanol to turn it into a paste and compress it to mold the propellant core, so it was completely solid. Any small cracks or voids would alter the burn rate enough to make it go bang. Seemed like a lot of work to me when he explained it but being the start of the space age probably really had an effect on how people viewed the world and the future that could be, but never was.
that is a pain in the ass to do
Yep, the Shuttle's segmented boosters changed shape to keep a specifically designed thrust curve throughout flight. They even "throttled" through max-Q, which is neat.
well done juggling the two, exclusive terms "rocket motor" and "rocket engine" without ever conflating them.
@h7opolo Could explain the difference between "rocket motor" and "rocket engine" please.
@@franksierow5792 in the most basic terms, a rocket motor uses solid fuels and a rocket engine uses liquid fuels.
@@franksierow5792
The guy above me is correct, but I would amend that slightly.
There are no universally accepted definitions for either.
But, commonly: engines typically have moving mechanisms and parts that are needed somewhere in the process to turn fuel into motion.
This is usually true of liquids, since 9/10 they need to be pumped, or compressed, or atomized or all 3.
Solids typically don't. They traditionally just burn, and provide immediate forward thrust.
A gas drinking move-y thing is an engine. Lots of little things moving and rotating, and transmitting different mechanical/electrical power to parts of the thing to make sure air and fuel are right and spark the thing, to turn this spinny thing, to move that other thing... all drowning in oil...? Definitely an engine.
Electrical spinny thing that just turns on when source is applied? Solid thing that just sits there, burns, and provides immediate forward thrust when it burns? Definitely motors. Simply add fuel or make initial reaction=immediately go.
Sort of.
@@cgplayz545
You'll find both the Goddard and V2 rockets with their propulsive units indiscriminately referred to as "motors". See Wikipedia on the V2, and "Dr. Robert H. Goddard, American Rocketry Pioneer" --NASA website. Also:
Combustion in Liquid-Fuel Rocket Motors. Aeronautical Quarterly , Volume 10 , Issue 1 , February 1959 , pp. 1 - 2 .
Conversely, note Estes referring to their "engines", likewise the Wikipedia article on the company.
@@-danR that’s very interesting info! Thanks for sharing
As someone who dabbled extensively with pyrotechnics long ago, I was nodding along since everything was quite familiar until you used silicone sealant as a fuel. I almost fell off my chair. That is *so cool*! It seems like a decent fuel but with the added benefit of having a built-in binder/stabilizer. Looks so easy to work with, and gives such a super smooth burn. So stable, in fact, that it makes the otherwise hazardous chlorate viable for something other than explosive charges! Would have loved to hear what it sounds and smells like as you launch the rocket (I often get nostalgic when I smell burnt black powder).
In my nerdy wayward youth as an aspiring bomb nut I used to love those Solidox pellets you used to be able to buy for use in those Sears Solidox welders back in the 70's and 80's. They were mostly sodium chlorate. I'd crush them up, sift out those wonderful asbestos fibers that were embedded in them for some reason, dissolve it in distilled water, filter the solution with coffee filters then let the water slowly evaporate so the sodium chlorate would grow crystals rather than just precipitating out furthering the purification. I could then grind those crystals into a fine powder and experiment. I found if dissolved in water again, soaked into patches of denim, let dry and hit with a hammer you'd get a gnarly boom. Mixing it with aluminum dust and some antimony sulfide you'd get a good flash powder for making M-80 equivalents but it was stupidly drop, static and friction sensitive so I abandoned that option quick. I later learned to process it into potassium chlorate by reacting it with potassium chloride dietary salt to make a more stable oxidizer for salutes. Yeah sodium chlorate and sugar is a bad combo. I tried my hand at making a pipe bomb with that stuff and it started off just fizzling then as it burned out the hole in the end cap for the fuse it started roaring and took off like a rocket for a bit of distance then blew up like a grenade. Nothing is as fun as getting chased by your own pipe bomb.
Damn
Yet I watch RUclips all day. I wish I was born in the 80s xD
Yes the good old days, My Dad's garden shed fell down after I attempted to make a fuel air bomb. The burnt hair on my head & eyebrows was a giveaway to who was the culprit. nothing grew on the ground around there for a long time after too.
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Yay Team (?) !
Does the term...,
Psycho-Ceramic...,
ring any Bells, for ye,
Mate, mate...maaate,
Me old
Cracked
Pot...?
Just(ifiably ?) ponderin',
Such is life,
Have a good one...
Stay safe.
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Ciao !
This video came at the right time, I was looking for ways to send my DIY communications satellite into stratosphere while stranded in a Mars basin.
How did you get the video without comms?
I received a distress signal from a guy who was claiming he was deep down a wall in Valley Marineris.. any connection with him?
We totally need to see a collab between Thoisol and Explosions&Fire/Extractions&Ire the two of them together would be absolutely hilarious.
Y'all laughing about salt rockets made by a man with Russian accent 😂 but I live 2 km away from Russian border 🥶
I think Russia has a new hobby😂
Remember, Russias Enemy is The American People’s Enemy… The World Has One common Enemy…. (Brussels, Geneva,Martha’s Vineyard, Ottowa, Sacramento, Chicago,.. etc..)
Oh my gosh!
Why was this my list?
It's Italian accent not Russian
Small correction: Make sure you use distilled water with this process. If you use any other water, tap water or bottled water you will have to remove the minerals after the synthesis process.
distilled water dont conduct electicity so it cant be used in electolysis
@@bezimienny1337 the salt would cover that, wouldn’t it?
@@bezimienny1337 bruh….what exactly do you think is getting added into the distilled water?
@@bezimienny1337 you may be thinking about deionized water. Distilled water has less minerals, but is being used as a universal solvent to make a sodium chloride solution. Salt water is an excellent conductor and will work quite well. Deionized water doesn't conduct electricity because it has no free ions. That is no longer the case when you add salt. So either one will work for the experiment.
@@bezimienny1337 No, but remember the table salt is then dissolved in that DI water. So it conducts.
Nice video. Just a couple suggestions -lead dioxide coating the anode will work for converting chloride to chlorate/ perchlorate. I have made these on titanium mesh by electro-deposition from lead/copper nitrate solution (8-1 ratio). Platinum is quite expensive, lead is cheap. I use a 100 watt solar panel for DC input. And-if you want a better propellant, react your saturated NaCLO4 solution with HCL to form NaCL and perchloric acid, decant to separate-then neutralize with ammonium hydroxide to form ammonium perchlorate.
Well if there is a zombie apocalypse, whosever team you're in will be in good hands!
Platinum anodos can produce perchlorates?
You should do your own channel just in the name of competition
I didn't know that you could use silicone sealant as fuel. Great video.
The ingredient Polydimethylsiloxane contains lots of hydrocarbons.
Yes I like breathing pure chlorine gas. I will not use that liquid absorber. What doesnt kill me ,might kill me ,but if it doesnt, I'll become immune.
The only problem with using silicone as a fuel is the fact that burning it releases silica oxides which can cause damage to the lungs if inhaled
Don't breathe in the fumes trough! Burning silicone sealant as fuel leaves extremely fine silicon oxide powder, exposure can cause a serious lung condition called silicosis.
Was going to say the same thing. Silicone is a poor choice for fuel. Not just because silica is horrible to breathe, but because it's a solid and for good thrust you need gas production. An acrylic latex sealant would be much better choice.
@@whatelseison8970 So if I want to build a rocket in my garage that could fly all the way to let's say North Korea.. I could follow this recipe and just swap latex sealant for silicone sealant? Also, do you know of any laws or treaties that would prevent a civilian like myself from declaring war on a country and launching a rocket attack against them?
@@whatelseison8970 well, with the pretense of this being 'emergancy signal rocket' you'd use whatever you had. Naturally making your own High-power rocket motors when you've got time on your hands, you'd pick better materials. you're correct in this being a much better fuel.
It always surprises me that saying that is necessary, it seems logical to me that one doesn't breath in fumes..
(but) because there's always some fool who thinks he can breath that.. someone needs to warn him/her (s)he shouldn't ..
@@MarkLadaWell, first you'd need a high powered rocket license to go above a certain height without pissing off the FAA. Then work from there. 😂
Cool, I really appreciate your work with this channel. Big respect
Great video, love your channel! But...the propellent you made at the end clearly wasn't made from sodium chlorate. Sodium chlorate would've caused the flame to be extraordinarily yellow, but your flame was more of a whitish-purple, indicative of potassium chlorate. My best guess: the sodium chlorate you made was too impure and didn't work as well (or the quantity was too small), so you subbed it with the potassium chlorate, which is more common. Still, love the content, keep it coming man!
what options are there to improve the quality or quantaty?
@@airfighterxgg3559 You could use the differences in solubility to improve quality: sodium chlorate is 10X more soluble than salt at water's boiling point, so you could probably concentrate it to at least 90% NaClO3 that way. Sodium chlorate is also soluble in some solvents that salt is mostly insoluble in, such as methanol. As for quantity, you'd just have to do multiple batches or use a larger/more powerful electrolysis unit.
@@LabCoatz_Science Ok, thanks i ll try to make some for next new years eve in germany, we got restrictions on firework the last 2 years would be nice to see it again
What a masterfully snobbish load of bullshit. Why don't you make a tutorial about the emission spectrum of poserium.
@@amarissimus29 Not snobbish, I'm simply making an educated observation. If you had half the experience and education that I do, you'd understand why I made such a statement. But why bother trying to explain myself to someone who calls potassium "poserium" and thinks hard science is bullsh!t? How about letting people engage in conversation without getting butthurt?
Love the way we went from table salt to titanium to platinum
Oh no, if an EU polititian sees this, we soon will have to cook without sogar and salt...
Love how it starts with table salt, and then we need titanium with coatings of elements most people don’t even know exist. Excellent video! Do love it.
"My technologically advanced pole" 😂 This was one of the more entertaining videos I've seen you do. The videos where you are experimenting with different chemicals are very interesting as well, but videos like this are probably more appealing to a wider audience.
Self-irony power 😀 This guy is pure awesomeness.
"My technologically advanced pole" ........🤣
It sure beats Elon Mush launching pad hihihih
All respect and admiration for the great efforts and patience to make this video!! Also, we should not forget the times of testing, analysing, and repeating the experiments.. It's good and great job you have there, my friend.. Bless you 🌹
Congratulations on your comprehensive study. It was a quite good job!
only high quality video that has any documentation on chlorate rockets, great job!
Calling it now, Thoisoi will make it into orbit by 2032 with a Snickers powered rocket.
im british, living in estonia. I dont speak the language yet, so its sooo hard finding ingredients. not just for fun projects but for my workshop too :D thanks for sharing
How well do these store? Sodium chlorate is extremely hygroscopic, to the point of having no practical use in fireworks. However, your mixing with silicon adhesive looks like it might offer some level of waterproofing.
Not fireworks exactly, but sodium chlorate was often found in smoke formulations. Also, mars has very little atmosphere and is very cold, so there will not be much water vapour around.
@@bobthebomb1596 everywhere where there is air there is water, and the storage might be connected to the air presured buildings on mars.
And btw he is not asking for space purpose more like entertaining purpose..
And that whas my question aswel, and there are silicon based glue that have other acids in them that could comprimise the structure..
Al goes wel for a few day but there WILL be addition unintended effects; like spontanious self combustion or releasing dangerous gasses
@@robertoeijs Atmospheric water vapour concentration on Mars is thousands of times lower than here on earth. A well packaged chlorate-based pyrotechnic can have a shelf life of at least a year on earth.
Anyone working with pyrotechnic compositions (or any energetic material) will undertake small scale compatibility trials as part of the formulation process. This involves any constituents and also any packaging/adhesives the composition is likely to come into contact with.
All chlorates are hygroscopic
@@bobthebomb1596
This is the voice everyone wants. I hope youll take heed
You can press a nozzle out of clay and use simple endburning fuel.
It´s a safe solution. For hobby purposes, kitty liter proves fantastic for that.
Use a big grinder to make the nozzle shape and a smaller one for the nozzle core.
Mr. Thoi Soi, you are SO GIFTED ! As good as or more talented than most of the people I met at Stanford and in Silicon Valley.
It would be great to see a video about how to separate Deuterium from Protium, i.e. how to separate H2 from H1.
you can also make a star shaped hole. increasing the initial surface area, then at it burns it shrinks down to a more rounded hole.so you get a strong initial push, then a consistent burn later.
Good idea
This production is just the best :)
I used linseed-oil impregnated carbon rods as electrodes.
They broke down over time and the carbon particles needed filtering.
They were cheap...'gouging rods' with the copper stripped off.
I'm just glad you still have both of your hands after that video.
OMG I have been waiting for this kind of rocket oxidizer for years!! Thanks a lot!! :D
@HAIL FLOCH yeah. I was planing to use graphite electrodes. As it also works, and is cheaper than titanium and platinum, i could get more cells, all working at the same time, and make much more NaClO3 at once.
@HAIL FLOCH yeah. I will try to build them soon. Only things im afraid of are the chlorine gas that might leak, and the hydrogen, that i wanted to give a use to.
@HAIL FLOCH yeah that might be the safest option for now. Thank you!
Way to underrated video!!! Great video🎉
I didn't know that chlorate:silicon mixture is such a good fuel! Nice video Thoisoi as always!
Small amount of dichromate or molybdate will increase electrolysis efficiency. I think that some dichromate can be found in space lab ;).
With electricity you could make pure iron out of the rust, and pure aluminum out of the alumina dust. There is silicon dioxide as well, so thermite production on Mars is viable. Thermite can be used not just for incendiaries, but also for welding and even smelting of metals. Splitting water produces hydrogen and oxygen as well, so balloons could be made out of mylar to loft a simple wire antenna to altitude for communications.
@@Kitsaplorax nobodies going to Mars dude
Making aluminum from oxide through electrolysis is a big technical challenge
@@among-us-99999 True. Thermite can also be made just with pure iron and frozen carbon dioxide.
@@Japs_Eye_Of_The_Tiger I hope not, but I fear that some idiots will at least try.
The chlorate synthesis bit was somewhat involved. Great video btw, thanks !
wow ! never seen a chocolate bar do that before ! it's a good demo of how much energy is locked up in that sugar !
New method can burn 350 calories in seconds! Doctors hate him! /s
@@theLuigiFan0007Productions yeah, using this "neat new trick" (do it now) first 50 buyers get a free rip off....lol..
Very impressive! I must remembed to invite you on my next Mars trip.
When you put your hand in that bucket filled with fuel my heart skipped a beat! For next video, maybe some burn rate tests with some catalyst such as iron oxide? Never thought such an otc binder could be used successfully, considering you didn't even use a proper nozzle
Where should witch iron oxide be used? I m realy interested
@@airfighterxgg3559 many transition metal oxides catalyze reactions that produce O2, such as chlorate or H2O2 decompositon. AFAIK Fe2O3 works the best for chlorate, but FeO MnO2 etc could also be used. Ofc only a very small amount is needed (in the order of 1%) as catalysts dont get used up in the main reaction
Aluminium powder is a good additive.
@@kitemanmusic in the motor I guess, or are the oxides for the electrolysis? excuse my english, it is late for me
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Once you plated the piece, did it really have to be titanium underneath?
it does, that way, if the platinum is attacked, the exposed base metal passivates, and self-corrects.
First time seeing this channel. Good mix of my love for borat and rockets. Chenquieh
Getting a sodium chlorate rocket to work is impressive! No matter what fuel you use, they tend to explode. Why not go all the way to perchlorate and have a safer rocket? Sodium chlorate and perchlorate are pretty hygroscopic, you did a great job of avoiding this.
That was potassium chlorate, not sodium chlorate. The beautiful purple flames are a dead giveaway. Guessing the home made sodium chlorate was not pure enough, so he went with commercial KClO3. NaClO3 would have made yellow flames.
I used to make sodium chlorate rockets. Luckily I never had any explode!
It's not often you come across a technical video where absolutely no facts need be corrected for accuracy. Even the note about once you touch off a solid booster there's no off switch was stated. Nailed it across the board!
You're the new Nile Red since he only makes shorts now
Also great video
You clearly have a talent for explaining complex issues in a simple and understandable way. I mean even i understand what you say and that means something.
The method presented cannot be used to obtain NaClO3 for rocket fuel. The residual NaCl must be removed, because not everything has reacted during the electrolysis. I assume you simply bought NaClO3 :)
11:04 - KClO4 is suitable for rockets... it is the most commonly used compound in pyrotechnics
13:11 - Mixtures with KClO3 are sensitive to friction and impacts, but do not detonate. This is not a detonation but a deflagration.
Depends how long he ran the electrolysis for and whether he used a stirrer. if he left the anodic oxidation long enough for all the chloride that became the chlorate to gain another oxygen ion to become perchlorate then he could have done an ion exchange of the sodium perchlorate with potassium chloride as the resulting potassium perchlorate precipitates because it is not very soluble in water and much easier to dry, after that ion exchange reaction with potassium he'd then have NaCl left behind.
I assure you that chlorate mixtures can detonate.
@@bobthebomb1596 oh yeah absolutely, just not if the majority of the oxidiser is still only chloride and not chlorate, however if you aim for a perchlorate, there's a bit of redundancy, so at the least, you have chlorate instead of perchlorate rather than chloride instead of chlorate.
Not true. They taught us this in the Army with carbon electrodes. It works great.
In fact, the electrolysis of salt water produces sodium hydroxide and chlorine gas, the chlorine react with the hydroxide to form sodium hypochlorite and the heat of the electrolysis decompose the hypochlorite to chlorates. That's why we need the cell to be around 80°C
very interesting.... boy a lot of work is put into everyone of your videos
I saw something almost similar, with the exception that fine PVC particle(maybe powder....)were mixed with a chlorate and packed in a similar way.
Don't think you missed a single thing 😉 probably the best video I've seen shows you everything 👍 brilliant 🙂
Interesting video!
Odd concept though. If a rocket got stranded on Mars, I'm pretty sure everyone would know about it already.
Amazing thoisoi, congrats!
I remember mixing salpeter and cocoapowder (which i think also contained a lot of sugar) as a kid to create a flamable powder. is that comparable to your Snickers experiment?
I once read that you can add sodiumbicarbonate in order to slow the reaction with powdered sugar. On the other hand, you could leave one end open, put a projectile in and make a recoilles rifle
Thank you so much for your incredible good Videos, they are a lot of fun to wach and of great quality. By far the best chemistry channel on YT...
I have a Phd degree in science myself and still learned a lot watching your videos. Even knowing many reactions, the way you filmed them is so much better than reading about them.
And to top it of you have this great Borat-like accent that adds to the high amount of entertainment you offer. Please keep up the good work!!!
The only part of the sodium chlorate / silicone sealant mixture I would be concerned about is the smoke it produces when it burns: This thick white smoke will contain some extremely fine silica powder, similar to fumed silica. This is something you really don't want to be inhaling, in even the tiniest quantities. It's like microscopic sharp sand, an extremely fine abrasive, which gets deep into your lungs, where it can cause long term problems similar to mesothelioma, aka asbestosis. It's not good to swallow it either, since it lodges into the stomach and intestinal lining, causing similar types of damage there.
Very nice. Have you tried making the rocket with a nozzle? A nozzle works better because the nozzle's constriction increases the pressure in the combustion space. More importantly, the velocity of reaction products increases in the throat of the nozzle. In some cases, it may even be supersonic. This is advantageous because the momentum of the gases is mass x velocity. Mass ejected per second is roughly the same with and without a nozzle; but with a nozzle, the exhaust velocity is much faster, which increases the momentum imparted to the exhaust. Because of Newton's 3rd law of motion, the rocket momentum upward equals the exhaust momentum in the opposite direction. So the rocket will fly faster and higher with a nozzle than without one.
There is a limit to how small the nozzle throat can be. If it's too small, the pressure on the fuel may be great enough to cause the rate of burn to exceed the point at which deflagration changes to explosion. Bye-bye missile and anything too close to it. Always experiment with small models before building large ones!
Brilliant!.From AZ, Your AWSOME!🤙🏻
be careful with chlorates, chlorate / fuel mixes can be pretty shock sensitive explosives, especially with sulfur, phosphorus, carbon and magnesium.
I even was watching carfuly to see this been pressed.....with press..to exploded in my face.....with lilte or no efort...so amazed...
You, sir, are the Mad Scientist the world needs! ;-)
Could you please make a more in-depth video on making platinum anodes.. buying them can get very expensive and there's so many fakes around that buying them is a real gamble
Platinum is just expensive man. There's really no getting around it. Really though, he showed everything you need to know. Dissolve the metal in aqua regia, then plate it back out of solution onto a titanium cathode. Don't expect to save any money doing that though.
@@whatelseison8970 i can get enough platinum from old catalic converters for free but even for those who have to buy a little platinum, at least they can get real platinum and not the fake crap online that dissolves in an hour
@@markshort9098 Cool. Well yeah, it's probably worth a try then.
Excellent. I watched the entire video as I could not tear myself away from it -- too interesting all the way thru.
Never tried salt. But used to make Kno3 rockets out of sugar. They make great smoke bombs too If you keep the nozzle big enough to relieve pressure
I've learned more from you, than what I learned in school.
What a great video, one of the most interesting so far!
You may be able to get an increase in pressure by experimenting with the shape of the interior by using a shaped pressing tool but your cardboard tube might not like it without reinforcement.
Also it could be the camera exposure but the flames look a little purple, did you mix in some potassium chlorate for extra kick by chance?
I started looking at chemistry a lot differently since I ever knew Thoisoi, never gonna unsubscribe
Thank you, nice tutorial. But I believe, most people already won't be able to platinize their Titanium.
It can be bought already plated, but there are many fakes being sold online as well I hear.
Haha the Snickers reaction is so so violently impressive
I didn't pick it up on the video but I'd like to know what your mix ratio is for the silicone and the salt. Very good video by the way I played a lot with sugar rockets and black powder and have yet to perfect what I want.
I enjoy my scientific dose with you.
Great keep going 👍👍👍
Thank you for your idea on making rocket engines. Now I can make my own for a reasonable price. You rule fella for sure. VF
what ratio are you using?
All that time i wasn t able to seee it man thankks
Title:from table salt
Me: interesting!
Do not repeat the experiment.
I'll doit anyways
See the process.
nevermind...
really cool video Thoisoi2 - Chemical Experiments!. I shattered the thumbs up on your video. Always keep up the terrific work.
I see a serious safety issue with your chlorate cell: the mixture of hydrogen and chlorine that evolves from the cathode and anode can explode, from as little as exposure to the ultraviolet in sunlight. It would be safer to design the cell so that those two gases are captured separately.
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The gases are dispersed into air so quickly that their concentration would never be explosive. Even confined in a balloon and ignited, they'd just make a loud bang, good for a few laughs.
@@d.jensen5153 😌
Very nice demonstration!
LOVE YOUR VOICE !! 🤩❤
You mean his own voice!? He records the video in Russian and then overdubs in English himself. A one man show.
@@Burnt_Gerbil wow 😲😲😲
Great video! Super-interesting, but oh, maaaaan! I love Snickers! It hurt me to see it destroyed.
Great video, what are the mass ratios between sodium chlorate and silicon?
Hi bro.
In the video it looks like 70/30 or 80/20. You'll have to experiment with it to find the optimum ratio.
Good video.
Reminds me of a fairy tale called "The man who could cook soup on a nail" 🙂
Interesting and awesome video! Question ! Probably a dumb one for the electrodes is it possible to use tungsten rods? And what would happen if you coated with thorium nitrate also?
I also thought that tungsten is very resistant to oxidation
your the best man, love this channel
Actually, on Mars most of the water that can be found is in the form of brine and most likely the brine is most likely going to be from potassium perchlorate.
how would potassium perchlorate get created on mars?
@@karolus28 ...during the Mars wars.
Im glad i found this video. I have been stuck on mars for 14 weeks.
really i liked your vids
first view btw
No
Ur 2 comment lol
Very well explained! It was nice to see that video!
Looks like the Estes engines I used to use for rockets.
I missed your videos! ♥️
If you just wanna make a rocket fuel it might actually be a good idea to use graphite electrodes?
Since graphite is just Carbon, you basically have your fuel in with your oxidizer, and its still stable enough that you (probably) won´t blow yourself up mixing the fuel grain. Problem is getting the ration right
for some reason graphite isn't a good rocket fuel.. no idea why.. it just isn't
Great video Maxim Bilovitskiy...
WARNING: that epoxy resin was a risky move! Most 2-part epoxy heats up when curing, and that heat can be enough to cause ignition!!! I have seen the carnage left by a homemade device that was sealed with epoxy and exploded. You're lucky that didn't happen to you, but it could happen to one of your viewers.
Good point
that's what I thought at first but didn't see anyone saying anything about that!
It does not heat up enough for that, especially not such a small quantity.
@@ItsTristan1st I've seen the aftermath of a homemade explosive that detonated when someone sealed it with epoxy, so yes it can heat up enough.
@@palsyddad Interesting. I have embedded running electronics(on a large scale) in various epoxies without issue so my experiences are very different to yours.
Maybe the homemade explosive was unstable to begin with. And there is also the possibility of the epoxy components reacting with the explosive. Ultimately epoxy can get hot but it should not(orders of magnitude) be getting hot enough to act as an ignition source.
Did this get the Fight Club, Tylor Durden - seal of approval?
With some simple household chemicals! Lol...
Awesome, video!!!
I'm so glad you continue to use your own voice, I still feel bad about the time you used someone elses.. but then again, you never appear to be speaking English when you talk, so maybe this is just someone elses voice as well...
I am almost positive it is him. My guess is the syncing problems are because he tried to record the audio with the video but it wasn't too good so he overdubbed to make it sound better. He got the sync up a few times but yeah it was off enough to notice. Surprisingly, the reason you notice it so easily is a function in the brain. Even the smallest offset triggers it and makes it seem exaggerated. It is related to the uncanny valley phenomenon actually. Even the slightest difference from what you are accustomed to will trigger the response.
@@MrMash-mh9dy - He records the videos in Russian for his main channel. He overdubs those videos in English for this channel. It’s all him.
@@Burnt_Gerbil well if that is the case, then he shouldn't bother showing himself with overdubs in the English content. It is off putting to English speakers for the same reason as I said before. The brain can't help but notice it. Most don't realize it is happening subconsciously and just remember the discomfort with it.
@@MrMash-mh9dy - You’re the only one who seems to have issues with it. If you know Russian, you’re welcome to watch his other channel.
@@Burnt_GerbilI am merely stating facts. You assume I have a problem but I have none. Perhaps you are looking to disparage, but I have no time for arrogance. Facts are facts. I am trying to help, not learn Russian.
Love the video, you're using potassium chlorate for all of the actual rocket tests though aren't you? They have the characteristic potassium pinkish color when burned as opposed to the bright yellow that sodium yields.
From what I've heard your better off fully electrolyzing the chloride to perchlorate purely because it makes slightly less sensitive fuels.
Thanks for the informative video.
thats so cool finally a save use for flouride salt xD!
4:09 when satan blows up the bathroom
While I don't think I want to duplicate your process, I do like your cat.😊
Very cool electric match!