Q-Tip 47 Soviet does not mean union. Look up the definition on google. None of the listed definitions say it is union. It refers to either 1. an elected local, district, or national council in the former Soviet Union. a revolutionary council of workers or peasants in Russia before 1917. 2. a citizen of the former Soviet Union. Or, as an adjective, of or concerning the former Soviet Union. Even in russian it does not mean union. It means assembly or council.
@@joshuaschroeder6713 I agree. Looking at the tests how brutal they are, it's also necessary to make weapon light and fast under the parameter with some modern modification.
everytime one dude is there 'i never made something this long' - dont they watch the show too? i mean the chances that you will have to make a sword are pretty high.
Dude, making a single sword cost a lot of ressources from heat to metal, it's not free to make a sword for yourself, most of the blacksmiths can't relied of making swords as a source of income, most of blacksmiths make other types of tools before making any weapon. Use some real life logic dude, a lot of blacksmith gets a better income from making survival tools, like the survival knife.
Would be nice if they gave some actual history on the chosen sword. Nothing extreme just what era, what it was used for, who used it. That sort of thing. They literally say nothing about it in most of these episodes.
@@vmerkwurdigliebe3751 The dao's a much heavier cutter, the jian is supposed to feel light and maneuverable, and does a lot better with thrusts than the dao.
Aw that is rough - I was actually admiring his swing form when the pommel broke off lol - though it's understandable specifically because he was swinging the sword properly. A proper swing is kind of like throwing the weapon, you have the weight and form of the weapon follow your hand - which means that virtually all of the force should be directed down. In the design used, I think most of the 'hard' contact was placed on the pommel, instead of being spread through the tang using pins... I would assume he used glue as well but that's apparently not as hard of a connection as the threads lol Dunno why the break happened specifically in a material sense, but no doubt the pommel was under absurd forces there, and a tiny bit of thread was not a wise call =/
Last episodes thumbnail was used for this video and the thumbnail made for this video was used for the last episode. So they just mixed it up, happens to the best of us.
More than a clickbait i think they accidentally switched the tumbnails Past episode they had a dummy as tumbtail and the kill test was done on a carcas, this has a carcas and the kill test is on dummies
Only 2 minutes of this video and i knew who my personel winner is...Casey. Alone the way he created his blade... the first time i saw a smith here on this channel using this technique instead of just working on an already flattened piece of steel.
I like this show because even when it breaks they always make the good points about the sword. Like yeah you know what broke so they'll give you the technical answer on exactly how and why so you can learn from it but they'll tell you whst you did well
My (somewhat lay) advice would be to practice some metal working/machining/welding other than just forging before you sign up for the contest. A touch of leather experience wouldn't hurt too. Also have some bulk, scrap metals and woods on hand and EXTRA PROPANE!
Jian (劍）itself as a word means “sword”, so by calling it Jian Sword world mean “Sword sword”. Perhaps next time the experts should also have some knowledge behind the name in which it represents.
Forged in Fire is not known for its historical accuracy. It is about hitting hot steel with big lumps of metal, and seeing how your end result performed. It would be nice to see at least a basic understanding of the name and history of the weapons though.
It's called the Jian Sword(Sword Sword) on purpose. On paper the Jian is a basic sword, it's been around since the 7th century BCE and is considered one of the Four Major Weapons of China. Gun(Staff), Qiang(Spear) and Dao(Sabre), the difference with the Jian is that it is a Jian. Similar to Gladius meaning Short Sword, technically, unless you call it by what it's called in it's native language you could classify many weapons as a Jian, it's a very simple weapon. Associating the Jian Sword with a specific type of chinese sword and calling it Jian is on purpose to differentiate it from other similar weapons. Then we remember there are literally hundreds of other swords in chinese history that ARE NOT called simply "Jian" and we kind of have to recognize that the Sword Sword was named that on purpose. Note: This sword is also sometimes called Taijijian for it's association with Taijiquan training.
@@Zurenza Small correction, this is not a Taijijian (or Taichi Sword). A Taijijian is lighter, longer and thinner in terms of the distance between the edge and the bevel. They did another episode on the Taijijian. The sword in this episode is a Spring and Autumn/ Warring States period sword. I'm not sure if it has any other name other than just "Jian". But yeah I agree with your point. OP there is being pointlessly pretentious.
Except in the show they are saying "jian" not 劍. I.e. when you use the word jian in English, it effectively becomes a loan word, and can conform to English linguistic construction as long as it conveys the meaning adequately. As Lacrima says, saying "Jian sword" distinguishes it from other types of jian, so is entirely valid. You're just being pointlessly pretentious. Should also know jian doesn't actually directly translate to "sword". Because as you know, Chinese distinguishes blades based on whether they are single-edged (dao) or double-edged (jian). In English however, sword refers to blades that are above a certain length and primarily used as a weapon (and knife refers to shorter blades primarily used as non-weapon tools, usually but not always single-edged, and are weapons only as a secondary function). 🤷♀️
I can't believe I never realized this before. Doug's background is knife fighting, right? So that's why he always favors the swords that handle the lightest, even if they don't do as much to the dummy.
And unfortunately this is why he handles every weapon as a knife, which drives me nuts. Guys bring him weapons that require a very particular technique to be truly effective but he always swings it like a bloody combat knife, no matter if it's a rapier or a mace.
I might be wrong, but I always thought that it was because it wouldn't tire you out as fast. Yes a sword can be to lite. But if you were using it in a battle. Those ounces would add up very fast.
Overall, that is true. Swinging something lighter around will always be easier than swinging something heavy. But there are techniques you can use to mitigate that, and there are uses for all weights of weapons. What I wish they would do is match the weapons up against the most common armor that would have been worn at the time; that would be a chance for the heavier weapons to shine. I mean, of course if you swing any sharp or heavy hunk of metal at an unarmored target hard enough, it will at the least cause serious injury. All weapons have their intended uses. The heavier ones tend to be counter-armor.
@@vancallim6637 I know very little about swords. I do know that they have different uses and you wouldn't want to compare say a broad sword and a rapier or foil. I think of hammers. Different hammers for different jobs. After a certain weight the heavier hammer won't help it just tires out your arm and shoulder. Thanks for your comment.
I would tell anyone taking up blacksmithing or bladesmithing to learn to weld and get a decent stick and a wire feed if possible. The ability to do decent welds can be critical to several operations and the ability to make your own tools.
I'm not an expert on Chinese swords by far, but those Jian swords look fatter and shorter than the ones I've seen. Both of them look more like a Roman Spatha than a Jian.
Every time I hear Damascus I'm just like "ugh wonder if it could even cut paper if it can even make it past the forging stage 😴" pleasantly surprised this episode
The blade was 💯 all day long, beautifully made sword and you will go on to create more beautiful swords just like this one. Learn from that little mistake and come back swinging 👏
A little short for a Jian. it's closer to the length of a shortsword here. Not to say there were no Jian that length, but it's definitely not the most common of lengths for this type of sword.
There is something to be said for putting a nice big rivet on the end of the handle. Sure it's crude and it can loose but a peening hammer will fix that.
The problem was that the first guy removed metal for the thread of the pommel that was not necessary you can very well attach a pommel to a rectangular tang by peenening it.
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Vince should've won because he doesn't even have to unscrew the pommel to throw the pommel at his enemies to end them rightly.
Bring back full episodes
"If it survives Jay, it'll survive anything."
True words
Nobody has felt as much stress as us when that slow mo starts playing
I know right, slow-mo freaks me out!
Breathe taking moment!
I always say it’s going to break when the slo mo starts. 80% of the time it doesn’t. Go figure.
Rhys Aldhouse everybody gangsta till the slowmo music kicks in
@@das3610 true. 😂
When the slo mo kicks in I'm always scared that the blade will break. Sometimes it's just a cool bloody shot though
HELP ME I AM VERY CRAZYYY
me too xD
everyone gangsta till the slo mo kicks in
brother
@@cheater7123 soviet doggo gang
Doug's enthusiasm is infectious. He always looks happy!
Especially with those bloody hands of his plus he is smiling
“I just want to hear Doug day it will keeeil” - this guy is living the dream.
Just an interesting fact: Jian means sword in Chinese, so Jian sword is basically SWORD SWORD
ah yes, they tell them to go make a sword sword. I love english
Look how Soviet roughly means "Union".
So, the USSR translates as "the Union of Union Socialist Republics".
Why make a sword, when you can make a sword, on top of a sword!
Q-Tip 47 Soviet does not mean union. Look up the definition on google. None of the listed definitions say it is union. It refers to either
1.
an elected local, district, or national council in the former Soviet Union.
a revolutionary council of workers or peasants in Russia before 1917.
2.
a citizen of the former Soviet Union.
Or, as an adjective, of or concerning the former Soviet Union.
Even in russian it does not mean union. It means assembly or council.
Just like talwar or kilij
To every competitor : Try hard as much as you can. You just have to survive J Neilson and you are done with the title.
I am the best youtuber !
And make it light and comfortable to wield
@@joshuaschroeder6713 I agree. Looking at the tests how brutal they are, it's also necessary to make weapon light and fast under the parameter with some modern modification.
*pommel falls off* Ah, now you can end your opponent rightly.
"This weapon will kill" : with a psychopath look and thats why i really like forged in fire hope its not gonna stop
Both of the swords looked really professional, that's rare. Shame that pommel broke
I love the camaraderie and sportsmanship of this competition!
everytime one dude is there 'i never made something this long' - dont they watch the show too? i mean the chances that you will have to make a sword are pretty high.
Dude, making a single sword cost a lot of ressources from heat to metal, it's not free to make a sword for yourself, most of the blacksmiths can't relied of making swords as a source of income, most of blacksmiths make other types of tools before making any weapon.
Use some real life logic dude, a lot of blacksmith gets a better income from making survival tools, like the survival knife.
“A cold beer would not hurt” 😂😂
Roger Maravilla he speaks my language 😂
You see, the sword didn't fail, it has an automatic setting to end them rightly
LOL references
You know a catastrophic weapon failure is coming, when you get a 2nd youtube ad mid way through testing..
Wow, a Damascus blade that actually happened and succeeded. Nice work Casey.
If only it was actually damascus, which would likely not win against modern steels in the tests performed. That is pattern welding.
Anyone else just like randomly start watching this show 3 months ago and haven’t missed an episode since for literally no reason
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Would be nice if they gave some actual history on the chosen sword. Nothing extreme just what era, what it was used for, who used it. That sort of thing. They literally say nothing about it in most of these episodes.
theverb78 well, there’s not much to say about just jian, cause there are many different types of it
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Mostly heavy cutter though.
@@vmerkwurdigliebe3751 The dao's a much heavier cutter, the jian is supposed to feel light and maneuverable, and does a lot better with thrusts than the dao.
In the full episodes on the channel they do exactly that
They edit it out for time in these RUclips clips. The original episodes have them
Aw that is rough - I was actually admiring his swing form when the pommel broke off lol - though it's understandable specifically because he was swinging the sword properly. A proper swing is kind of like throwing the weapon, you have the weight and form of the weapon follow your hand - which means that virtually all of the force should be directed down. In the design used, I think most of the 'hard' contact was placed on the pommel, instead of being spread through the tang using pins... I would assume he used glue as well but that's apparently not as hard of a connection as the threads lol
Dunno why the break happened specifically in a material sense, but no doubt the pommel was under absurd forces there, and a tiny bit of thread was not a wise call =/
“2pounds 10 ounces of kill ya quick Jian sword” lol🤟🏾
Why the miniature shows Dough hitting a carcas? I feel scamed
History channel is upping their clickbait game.
Last episodes thumbnail was used for this video and the thumbnail made for this video was used for the last episode. So they just mixed it up, happens to the best of us.
@@shinarts4902 Yay someone else noticed
More than a clickbait i think they accidentally switched the tumbnails
Past episode they had a dummy as tumbtail and the kill test was done on a carcas, this has a carcas and the kill test is on dummies
The weapon is also diffrent
pommel breaks*
-"I wouldnt change a thing"
Tha grinny smile while saying
" it will kill " 😁😁😁😅😅😅
Every episode "i've never made a blade this long before" 😂
just in time to see if it WHEEL KEEL!!!
I dig Casey’s attitude and style.... sounds like a fun guy to hang out with
The person in charge of the kill test is having way to much fun
These guys are all game competitors..much respect
0:19 This look says "I've never heard or seen this before in my life."
When I saw the first Blade. I say "Wow!". The Design is best! But the handle construction fails. It has truly had an amazing design.
My heart stops when the slow motion starts.
Only 2 minutes of this video and i knew who my personel winner is...Casey. Alone the way he created his blade... the first time i saw a smith here on this channel using this technique instead of just working on an already flattened piece of steel.
Why is thuis ;,, Please exit the forge!” , always so aggressive 😂
I like this show because even when it breaks they always make the good points about the sword. Like yeah you know what broke so they'll give you the technical answer on exactly how and why so you can learn from it but they'll tell you whst you did well
Dude: welcome to the strength test.
Me: WHERES DAVE!! WWHERE?
Never seen Doug have so much fun with the kill test
Most importantly, your anticipation... it will keel.
He wanted to see if it would kill😂😂😂
"your weapon has suffered A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE"
That pommel brings one of two words to mind. Countersink or Peening. Maybe both?
My (somewhat lay) advice would be to practice some metal working/machining/welding other than just forging before you sign up for the contest. A touch of leather experience wouldn't hurt too. Also have some bulk, scrap metals and woods on hand and EXTRA PROPANE!
And an extra hammer or two and a stave long enough for a pike shaft
The second I saw him weld the pommel I knew it was gonna break off
The winner always has the equipment advantage
TODAY ALSO
THUMBNAIL WAS CLICKBAIT
AND IT MEANS
IT WILL CUT(NOT KILL)
Apperently mixed up thr tumbnail of this one and the previous one
Hey! Mount Airy is only a 30 minute drive from where I live! It’s neat seeing people from my neck of the woods!
Vince should've won because he doesn't even have to unscrew the pommel to throw the pommel at his enemies to end them rightly.
Grimly underrated comment. These fools haven't thrown a pommel in their lives
Doug can kill the remaining 0.01% germ
The leg Shave test
was pretty clutch
Me: Doug I made a needle
Doug: let's check if it will keeel
That's cool that they got Mike Tyson to make a cameo appearance at 2:46
Who else misses the little history lessons about the weapons they have to forge?
5:02 welcome to kill test 😵😵
I feel the strength test is mostly inconsistent, sometimes it's extreme or otherwise rigorous or else too easy.
Jian (劍）itself as a word means “sword”, so by calling it Jian Sword world mean “Sword sword”. Perhaps next time the experts should also have some knowledge behind the name in which it represents.
Forged in Fire is not known for its historical accuracy. It is about hitting hot steel with big lumps of metal, and seeing how your end result performed. It would be nice to see at least a basic understanding of the name and history of the weapons though.
Interesting, so... what were other swords called in Chinese? They had different names and one is just called "sword" ? Genuinely curious
It's called the Jian Sword(Sword Sword) on purpose. On paper the Jian is a basic sword, it's been around since the 7th century BCE and is considered one of the Four Major Weapons of China. Gun(Staff), Qiang(Spear) and Dao(Sabre), the difference with the Jian is that it is a Jian. Similar to Gladius meaning Short Sword, technically, unless you call it by what it's called in it's native language you could classify many weapons as a Jian, it's a very simple weapon. Associating the Jian Sword with a specific type of chinese sword and calling it Jian is on purpose to differentiate it from other similar weapons. Then we remember there are literally hundreds of other swords in chinese history that ARE NOT called simply "Jian" and we kind of have to recognize that the Sword Sword was named that on purpose.
Note: This sword is also sometimes called Taijijian for it's association with Taijiquan training.
@@Zurenza Small correction, this is not a Taijijian (or Taichi Sword). A Taijijian is lighter, longer and thinner in terms of the distance between the edge and the bevel. They did another episode on the Taijijian. The sword in this episode is a Spring and Autumn/ Warring States period sword. I'm not sure if it has any other name other than just "Jian".
But yeah I agree with your point. OP there is being pointlessly pretentious.
Except in the show they are saying "jian" not 劍. I.e. when you use the word jian in English, it effectively becomes a loan word, and can conform to English linguistic construction as long as it conveys the meaning adequately. As Lacrima says, saying "Jian sword" distinguishes it from other types of jian, so is entirely valid. You're just being pointlessly pretentious.
Should also know jian doesn't actually directly translate to "sword". Because as you know, Chinese distinguishes blades based on whether they are single-edged (dao) or double-edged (jian). In English however, sword refers to blades that are above a certain length and primarily used as a weapon (and knife refers to shorter blades primarily used as non-weapon tools, usually but not always single-edged, and are weapons only as a secondary function). 🤷♀️
My blood pressure rockets as soon as the slo-mo starts
You CANNOT Decimate a round History Channel. 1 in 10 rounds can be decimated. Cmon!
Sokka would be proud.
I can't believe I never realized this before. Doug's background is knife fighting, right? So that's why he always favors the swords that handle the lightest, even if they don't do as much to the dummy.
And unfortunately this is why he handles every weapon as a knife, which drives me nuts. Guys bring him weapons that require a very particular technique to be truly effective but he always swings it like a bloody combat knife, no matter if it's a rapier or a mace.
I might be wrong, but I always thought that it was because it wouldn't tire you out as fast. Yes a sword can be to lite. But if you were using it in a battle. Those ounces would add up very fast.
Overall, that is true. Swinging something lighter around will always be easier than swinging something heavy. But there are techniques you can use to mitigate that, and there are uses for all weights of weapons.
What I wish they would do is match the weapons up against the most common armor that would have been worn at the time; that would be a chance for the heavier weapons to shine.
I mean, of course if you swing any sharp or heavy hunk of metal at an unarmored target hard enough, it will at the least cause serious injury.
All weapons have their intended uses. The heavier ones tend to be counter-armor.
@@vancallim6637 I know very little about swords. I do know that they have different uses and you wouldn't want to compare say a broad sword and a rapier or foil. I think of hammers. Different hammers for different jobs. After a certain weight the heavier hammer won't help it just tires out your arm and shoulder. Thanks for your comment.
0:40 That's what she said
ive always wanted to hear Doug say it will not keel.
I don’t know what kind of jians they’ve been looking at, but that shape is practically a gladius
Jians center of balance is the top of the guard. This looks more like a gladius than a jian.
thank for sharing such informative stuff
"I always wanted to hear him say it will kill"
He says it to everything bro
yay one more episode of my fav show
9:46 "please [...] exit [...] the forge", oof
I would tell anyone taking up blacksmithing or bladesmithing to learn to weld and get a decent stick and a wire feed if possible. The ability to do decent welds can be critical to several operations and the ability to make your own tools.
Simple swords test is also tough.
Calling these guys metal workers or sword makers is like calling a normal home owner to a golf course ground keeper
Casey is one of my favs so far really good smith!
The Jian, also known as the gentlemen of weapons; Because nothing says courtesy like being able to kill with both edges of the blade.
I'm not an expert on Chinese swords by far, but those Jian swords look fatter and shorter than the ones I've seen. Both of them look more like a Roman Spatha than a Jian.
7:09 - 7:15 Spoken like a true Psychopath! You've gotta love Doug!
Every time I hear Damascus I'm just like "ugh wonder if it could even cut paper if it can even make it past the forging stage 😴" pleasantly surprised this episode
Thaaaaaaaaaaat's not a Jian x the blade should be longer, thinner and not used like that at all
funny that the swing sending the pommel flying off didn't beak the pot. I had know idea how important the pommel must be.
this is the first time I saw someone use 80CrV2 to forge a sword, awesome
when you finished some good old spicy food and its time to recolour the bowl 1:31
😂😂 i knew i wasnt the only one
lol my man swinging around the sword in his backyard like a pro. The hosts see you
Someone messed up. The thumbnails for this video and the Pira sword were swapped.
his weld skills are on point tho..... haha
Awesome swords by both smiths.
The blade was 💯 all day long, beautifully made sword and you will go on to create more beautiful swords just like this one. Learn from that little mistake and come back swinging 👏
Ouch. The blade survived, and the edges were still sharp, but to lose because you didn't thread the tang enough to hold the pommel.
Javier Patag he would lose anyway
@@superbarmenia9625 probably. When the other guy pulled off the damascus you knew his weapon was no joke.
Saying "Jian sword" is like saying "sword sword."
He always breaks something lol
A little short for a Jian. it's closer to the length of a shortsword here. Not to say there were no Jian that length, but it's definitely not the most common of lengths for this type of sword.
Odd detail i loved actually had nothing to do with the swords; but the terracotta pots....they were the Five Venoms lol
I FEEL sad ABOUT THE FIRST GUY his sword is really great but the pommel came out
PewDiePie But No Subscribers At least he got to hear, “It will keel.”
There is something to be said for putting a nice big rivet on the end of the handle. Sure it's crude and it can loose but a peening hammer will fix that.
The problem was that the first guy removed metal for the thread of the pommel that was not necessary you can very well attach a pommel to a rectangular tang by peenening it.
That look at 00:19 hahaha!!!
The guy that won be looking like captin america as a dad
The difference in equipment they have is crazy
Why is the pommel so critical that they couldn't continue the testing?
The other guy's sword didn't have that much of a pommel to begin with.
I'm from norman as well so I was rooting Casey the whole way!!! Good job man!
09:08 lmao that run he does is so cool
Tax on that 10k is really bad especially if its considered a gift or reward, it could be taxed up to 50%
Why is no one talking about how the one dude didn’t even forge his sword? He just got a long piece of metal and cut it into shape.
That's what I used to do when I had machine shop. Use tools to cut the metal into blade how I wanted it, then harden and temper. So easy.