Moira's heal piss and damage piss should be more transparent for teammates so they can see enemies behind the particles. They seem very opaque and block your view.
MirrorkatFeces You're kidding? This nerf brings Mercy in line with the other healers; now the Mercy player is the one who actually requires skill and gamesense to achieve a Rez and that's a very good thing for the game.
you clearly have no idea what you are talking about since Lucio requires the least skill / game sense of any healer and is the worst healer , Lucio is a DPS with Minor healing aura , both Ann and mercy require more game sense and Skill than Lucio ever need, mercy need s to be aware where anyone is at all time and needs to be on the move 100% of the time or she is dead , no other support has to deal with that specially not Lucio since hes a DPS not a healer , as a matter of fact mercy needs the most game sense of any hero if mercy is even one second distracted she could be dead , and mercy sitting idle for even onen sec she is dead so this NERF she not onlty sit idle for almost 2 sec but also slows down for 1 sec means she essentially has become USELESS, only DPD players with their High skill that can'r seem to kill a mery think it is a goo nerf , since they don't have to change themselves, nah Mercy is dead wit crap like this \ and talking about skill Widdowmaker hitting almost every shot that is skill I respect not some Hitscan throwing bullets around hoing he might hit something and caklling it SKILL tru SKILL are the players with hitting their target consistently wit a projectile based weapon like Widdow , Junkrat , Phara, Anna, and even Mery , that is the reason that there are only a hand full of great players that can actually play them, , hit scan is easy mode just point and shoot and something dies , no Skill required just a little aim and a lot of spray hitscan is like Goalkeeper throw million of bullets around an you certainly hit something , well that is how I see most players playing heroes like soldier and I tried and it works and guess what I got a ton of kills even with my terrible aim
2:40 "Moira beats Ana close range", I'm 99% sure that a large amount Ana mains heard that and say: *"nah, I can snipe anyone at right infront of me, ez"*
Tasin Ahmed A teammate suddenly jumping in front to block someone in crucial need for heals triggers me more than a Genji who won't wait 5 seconds to combo nano blade……and yeah, as much as I love and main ana, her healing is just so much nastier than other healers……
I feel like Ana’s popularity would rise if she had more POTGs. I have NEVER seen an Ana POTG in a quick play or comp game in the 1 year she’s been out. Not only do POTGs make characters feel like they are actually impactful, but they show off just how good that character can be. Blizzard done fucked up when creating the POTG systems to favor eliminations more than character roles. This created the idea that eliminations are the most important part in Overwatch which created so many DPS mains. Have you guys ever stopped to think about how dumb it is that the only way support can get POTG (outside Mercy’s huge Rezs before her changes) is for them to get eliminations? Zen can’t just Trans, he needs to also land hits with his orbs. Lucio POTG are mostly just him Booping enemies off the map. Symmetra is basically just hold down primary fire for POTG. And now I never see any Mercy POTGs unless you take out your pistol during Valkyrie instead of chain healing and damaging your team, which you SHOULD NOT BE DOING. If you want more people to play Support, you need to change the POTG system so that they feel like they’re actually impactful to the game.
Healers don't really do anything that would be exciting enough for POTG. The best Blizzard could do is have any assisting characters get POTG as well. For example, a mercy boosting a Pharah would be show alongside the Pharah in the POTG highlight sequence.
Kentz Hodiono Her damage is very small, but I have personally died very little with a 1v1 against a tank since I have been able to run off and heal myself.
With her healing and Ana’s nade, we are approaching an unkillable hog meta. He, at this point in time, doesn’t die anyway, this pretty much closes the deal. That chubby doughnut vacuum isn’t gonna fall
OneTrickGenjiMain or a mobility buff such as a jetpack like Pharah not the ability that allows her to just fly high but like her boost when you hold jump. Just something to help her get to a better high ground position.
A) she has her grenade to heal herself. B) Ana’s sleep dart and small frame already make her a hard target to hit, unless you have a lock-on hero shooting you, which would only happen if they made it past your team.
Ryan Ager her grenade only heals so much and that's every ten seconds. And I'm not talking about the hitbox she has. I'm just talking about something that could make her as special as the other supports.
She can completely shutdown any one character with her sleep dart, and then proceed to kill them by herself if they are a 200 health hero. Any one nanoed? Shutdown. Speaking of nano, +50% damage dealt and -50% damage taken? And she isn't "special."
I play a lot of Mercy and Lucio because I prefer the more mobile supports, so is Moira gonna be another mobile support I can flex on? Also, even though play a lot of Mercy at this point I'd rather they just take out rez altogether or just leave it as part of the ult. I'd rather have that than the movement nerf that is on the ptr.
+Red Ring of Death That's the issue though. At the beginning, Mercy didn't have anything to use to help her team in the mid fight aside from healing or damage boosting which can be done better by either the likes of Ana or Zenyatta. The only thing she had to compete with the other supports is that Huge Rez ult that she had and even then, the other support ults are just as strong, if not stronger, than the old Rez. Now they changed it to be a more limited Rez while allowing Mercy to be more active in the mid fight rather than the Ult fight. Now, they've essentially brought her back to being Ult Fight Mercy while pretty much gutting the hell out of her Rez. Ult Fight Mercy was a version a lot of people, Mercy and non-Mercy players alike, didn't like because it felt boring just swapping between healing or boosting with you occasionally having your big moment for potentially PoTG.
OneRandomVictory if moira places her heal orb thing down, that with the life steal she might be able to out heal her. We'll have to see when she comes out lol
This is what im talking about, if they are adding more heroes in the game it will somehow get balance. Instead of nerfing the current heroes all the time.
KiwiLime 키위라임 I completely disagree with you. Mercy is dead after this nerf. Just because ana has no mobility doesn't make her bad pick. Ana will be a great pick again, we will see her more often than mercy. She has a sleep dart which is great for shutting down ults and mercy while she's rezzing, and she has great sustain from her nade, high burst healing which mercy doesn't have. After her damage buff she's able to fight back and duel better. 2 shots+nade= a kill. Or just 3 shots. So she can 3 shot pharah again instead of 4. Moira without a doubt will be better than mercy too. The only thing mercy has on them is rez. And rezzing will be super hard to do now unless you're ulting.
In tight confined rooms, Moira + Mei is scary. Seal in the room, damage orb. Hell, you could even go for a Symmetra using shield Gen or teleporter as bait for it with her turrets.
Moira + Mercy will most likely be the most meta healer pairing outside the pro scene. I could see Lucio/Zen, Lucio/Ana, Lucio/Moira, Moira/Ana, or Moira/Zen being used at the pro level.
I think she just needs a resource meter for her attack. And make her heal resource deplete a rate proportional to the rate her attack resource refill. In other words if you deplete her heal resource to 0%, her attack resource fills to 100% and vice versa
You may be on to something here. Have another meter that, instead of dictating whether or not she can attack, determines how much damage her draining grasp does. As long as the meter has anything in it, she receives, say, 10% damage increase. Not too much, but not too low, either. Of course, the damage boost functions exactly the same as healing grasp's resource. This would make her more support oriented, as those who play DPS Moira will want to heal their teammates to receive the damage buff, which of course means healing for the team. You, sir, are a genius.
Nah what they need to do is put the healing and damage on the same resource meter to put a proper balance on attacking and healing. Have her orbs recharge her meter.
Great...so excited to see triple tank back. An entire season of it with Ana must pick definitely wasn't enough. I'd honestly rather do my taxes again then play during tank meta 2.0.
There has been an increased Ana pick rate lately including myself, even on console. Seems like we all got the same idea of lets play her now so we destroy once she is buffed and mercy nerfed.
Moira + Symettra... Symettra for DPS, Shield and Barriers, Moira for Healing and AOE Damage if needed. Alone, both are ez target for Tanks. Together: true nightmare.
I don’t understand why mercys buff caused everyone to look over her bugs. I don’t believe that they actually patched the rez bug that caused Valkyrie to cause the rez cooldown to be lost at the end of its duration on some occasions.
WHAT HAPPENED TO LOOT BOXES?! I'm constantly getting duplicates since the Halloween event (I only got one new Halloween legendary skin and that's cos I used coins to get it) when I have a ton of stuff still to unlock :((( Why did they revert it back!!
So Mercy time is definitely over? Or it'll be ok as second support with Moira? (If the answer is in the video I'm sorry I don't understand english so well)
I think genji might counter her pretty hard. The orbs seem pretty unsafe to use since he can deflect them and her damage/heals from doing so. Also, they move pretty slowly so it wouldn't be hard for genji to just jump right in front
Sure, Ana is good when paired with Moira. But Moira's presence seems more like an indirect nerf. With Moira's ability to heal through allies with Biotic Grasp and Ana struggling already, Ana is going to get picked less and less. Moira doesn't have to worry about a teammate blocking a heal dart or biotic grenade by accident. Moira heals very effectively and is a lot easier and reliable to play than Ana. I'm not saying Moira needs to be nerfed. Lúcio and Zenyatta are still going to be just as good, and Mercy will likely remain viable as well. But I think Ana will need a buff or two after Moira's introduction.
Oat Lerttanasarn why would she need moira tho sombra can just kill them herself unless moira can be her personal body guard and pocket her the entire time
ikr i was going to get the symm gun but i might just get the ana gun bc shes always been my fav healer to play (and moira is fun but i still like ana better)
Need more clarification on the heal orb + bionade being stronger than amp heal + bio nade. Because if the orb only heals for 300 total HP thats dumb, if it heals 300 HP per target in its AoE then it is better than amp, but not by much.
Wanted to say this before anyone tries this in comp. Genji beats moira in a 1v1 because he can quickly burst her down but is countered in a team environment which is what they were talking about
i may be wrong but i think i heard in an interview that they kinda regret the nerf he got bc he used to feel so good to play and now hes actually kinda clunky which is what they didnt want. maybe well see some changes soon?
You must play a lot of Ana. dont throw your healing orb at the ground lol. it will bounce back up then it wont heal anyone unless you have a flying pharah. throw it at the direction you are going to or where your teammates are running to.
Still think that Mercy and Moira are going to be the meta support. Yea Ana can stop healing but it limits hery healing output she also has no mobility. With Mercy you have Rise and easy single target healing paired with Moire aoe healing and able to take care of herself, while both have mobility/escapes. Lol yea dive meta is coming back just with tanks. About to see a lot of Winston Hogg and D.va.
If there is a soldier, his ult will suppress Mercy's, if she doesn't die from it even if the soldier can't aim. If Ana hit a sleep dart on either, they will get killed by Ana and her team. A good nade will hurt Moira a lot, as her aoe healing won't heal and Mercy can't heal anyone or herself through her passive if hit by it. A full Dive already has D.va and Winston as tanks, and Hog "doesn't have mobility", which is a reason why you said Ana wasn't good. Mobility the entire concept of Dive. Also, Ana can sleep Hod, or nade him while he is taking a breather, negating is affects.
As an Ana main, I'm finally looking forward to not having people constantly shit on me if I don't pick Mercy in comp. I'm a good Ana but a terrible Mercy, not that the people on my team actually care
Junkrat is really good against moira, his damage output just out does all of her self healing. If they did nerf moira in any way I think it would be her beam length cause it's pretty easy for her to kill a Widowmaker or something like that if the widow isn't in a good position relative to her team where her teammates block her. Maybe not hanzo so much though cause he's usually a bit closer to his team. But I really like her beam length personally plus most of the time I think Moir a would be healing sniper damage instead. She's not that hard to get away from as widow anyway you have a grapple hook. Also because moira is a pretty easy solution to pharmercy and I think she should counter that. I just like her too much for her to get nerfed lol
Pros who scrimed on PTR barely played Ana. She is still the worst supp in the game (even if I lover her the most). They played mostly Zen+Moira because of Dive and Moira's healing. We will see how meta will change when Moira recieve some nerfs. Ana simply requires a lot of skill to be viable meanwhile other supports need much less skill to be effective (not talking about skill ceiling here). Even Jehong said that Zen is much better than Ana :(
IMHO mercy nerf was actually a mercy buff. The thing is that by making her ress take a while to be cast, instead of being a instant ress, a lot of mercies that used to do bad resses will not be able to do that now (how many times have you been ressed in front of a full group of enemies just to be instantly killed again ?) The mercy slow ress means she will try and be somewhat sneaky again, meaning no more ress and instant get mobbed or she would die before ressing you - that ends in more smart ress and waiting out to ress someone when in good position rather than flat out ress rush. Put that together with how overpowered ress is instead of other stuff and mercy position won't go down all that much. Sure ana got buffed and works well with moira, but I still don't see mercy going away from the must pick spot any time soon.
Dilson Camacho Dilson Camacho mercy was good because of her ability to rez while in team fight. The only thing she's good for now is rezzing people who got picked off in the backline while not in a teamfight. Even that's a stretch because since she's standing still, the flanker will still be there and shut her down. Also her rez gets interrupted now by knockback, stun, etc. so no. This isn't a mercy buff. This is a mercy nerf. 1.75 cast time is actually pretty long. And she's slowed for 75% which makes her super easy to hit. No one is gonna ignore mercy when she's rezzing. Since overwatch is a game that primarily focuses team fighting, mercy will hardly ever use her rez anymore unless she's ulting. Or if a team fight didn't break out
Dilson Camacho I agree with every point you made except for that Mercy is going to stay as a must pick. I think these new changes were what she finally needed to remove her from that spot. While the addition of Moira is certain to switch up comps as well, my big thing is how DVa can interrupt Rez with her charge. Even now, DVa is a great character to hunt Mercy down, and even is she doesn’t kill her, she is 1-2 shots away from a teammate to finish her off. Now, she basically continues her role and has a new way to counter her.
I agree with the previous comments. Another huge thing is that mercy can’t heal while she uses Rez which is very crucial. Now that it almost takes her 2 seconds to Rez, she won’t be able to heal the team during that duration. This is a huge nerf to mercy.
iamgem, not if Moira is the second healer. Don't forget that the game now has 2 main healers, so Mercy will have the opportunity to actually rez. In fact, she can also res while Lúcio AMP it up healing just as his Sound Barrier cast and Zenyatta Trancendence. Mercy will have enough time to group back up with the team to continue healing as her GA has recently buffed this way. Still true that, Mercy cannot afford to resurrect every single one of her mates, rather reconsider her time to rez. This is the solution Blizzard found against abusive rez spamming Mercies.
I really want to see a team run Moira, Sombra, Genji, Reaper, WidowMaker and DoomFist or McCree, depending on the situation of course. #TeamTalon/BlackWatch
Winston wont be reliable against her cause any player with half a brain will just run away from winston and his bubble. If the winston is dumb enough to directly jump after moira without his bubble he will get team shotted and moira can leech health off winston. Its like picking winston to counter tracer it just doesnt work.
Unless of course they're someone who can dodge, or resist the damage, then they can attack in the interval that they're vulnerable. Moira does not have the damage to capitalise on such a weakness.
LOL why would u be playing moira into a situation like that anyway let alone any healer? even as mercy as she is now on live u wouldnt go into a 2v6 to rez someone thats just not smart doesnt matter how mobile she is a good team is going to focus the mercy/healer
what ?????????????? Moira can't heal at long range. Zenyatta can Zenyatta can discord the enemy increasing damage taken. Moira doesn't do that ? Zenyatta can ult healing everyone around him for 300 health per second. Moira ult heals everyone in front of her for 140hp per second Zenyatta's basic attacks are long range projectiles. Moira's is a medium range beam The only thing they have in common is they're both supports also faster, and quicker are the same thing. It's redundant to use them describing the same thing in the same sentence
also those we're worst healing orbs i've seen..... ugh. Either way Moira is gonna get buffed. She doesn't stand a chance in real meta, Well maybe as a PURE healer only, her damage is basically nothing now. Mercy shall be buffed along this for sure
I dont think ana will get much use...our skrim teams running tripple tank moria and lucio / zen and we run a half dive. Ana didn't work because shes slow and both moria and lucio work well with mobility and can play in and out of sheilds and as its dive we wanted a more aoe heal. The mercy nerf makes it so she cant really rez Without valk what means she cant rez heros that hard counter. The other teams forced to take the same supports to counter because we have too many barriers ana cant heal and the mercy is very easy to focus and cant rez. If the other team run tripple tank we swap lucio for zen. On 2cp the second point normally is a snowball regardless. If the other team runs more then one dps its so easy like its even more easy then the last tripple tank meta unless the mercy rez changes it will be a triple tank meta.
When your an Ana player and you hit the enemy team so many times in the head that you wish she had a critical headshot LIKE ALL THE OTHER SNIPERS IN OVERWATCH
Moira seems weak AF. That right click is too weak even if it is a lock on. Those damaging orbs are going to be way too easy to avoid. And the burst healing still loses to Ana, who can heal 550 hp in 4 seconds then after 6 seconds do that again. Seems to be Moira is made far more for lower levels and QuickPlay, which I don't mind at all, QP needs more healers. But sleep is way more useful at higher levels than a dash escape, it requires more skill as you have to aim a projectile with a delayed fire, but a much higher reward. Nano boost is far more useful in a coordinated push than a blast of area healing and damage. Coalescence just doesn't seem as good as Zenyatta's transcendence. One area that Moira will likely be OP is against pharah. She rarely fly's that high and is usually hard to hit. But I'd she's within range it seems you can't miss as Moira.
Stupidity is not a right.
Moira's heal piss and damage piss should be more transparent for teammates so they can see enemies behind the particles. They seem very opaque and block your view.
5 to 6 weeks later "Ana and Moria nerf needed?" "Mercy nerfed to much!?"
Bloodhardt Revert Mercy changes and all the Healers would be balanced
MirrorkatFeces You're kidding? This nerf brings Mercy in line with the other healers; now the Mercy player is the one who actually requires skill and gamesense to achieve a Rez and that's a very good thing for the game.
you clearly have no idea what you are talking about since Lucio requires the least skill / game sense of any healer and is the worst healer , Lucio is a DPS with Minor healing aura , both Ann and mercy require more game sense and Skill than Lucio ever need, mercy need s to be aware where anyone is at all time and needs to be on the move 100% of the time or she is dead , no other support has to deal with that specially not Lucio since hes a DPS not a healer , as a matter of fact mercy needs the most game sense of any hero if mercy is even one second distracted she could be dead , and mercy sitting idle for even onen sec she is dead so this NERF she not onlty sit idle for almost 2 sec but also slows down for 1 sec means she essentially has become USELESS, only DPD players with their High skill that can'r seem to kill a mery think it is a goo nerf , since they don't have to change themselves, nah Mercy is dead wit crap like this \
and talking about skill Widdowmaker hitting almost every shot that is skill I respect not some Hitscan throwing bullets around hoing he might hit something and caklling it SKILL
tru SKILL are the players with hitting their target consistently wit a projectile based weapon like Widdow , Junkrat , Phara, Anna, and even Mery , that is the reason that there are only a hand full of great players that can actually play them, , hit scan is easy mode just point and shoot and something dies , no Skill required just a little aim and a lot of spray
hitscan is like Goalkeeper throw million of bullets around an you certainly hit something , well that is how I see most players playing heroes like soldier and I tried and it works
and guess what I got a ton of kills even with my terrible aim
No Wun There's still no skill for Rez, and this nerf will make it suicidal for Mercy unless it's in the backline
Varric Tethras lmfao this entire comment is retarded
The only difference between this triple tank meta, and the last one, is that their will be a lot of damage coming out
2:40 "Moira beats Ana close range", I'm 99% sure that a large amount Ana mains heard that and say: *"nah, I can snipe anyone at right infront of me, ez"*
i meant more healing close up. Although Ana's grenade does a lot of close up healing :)
Moiras healing goes through people which is the biggest problem with ana at close range since the tanks are always in the way
You’re not wrong.
Tasin Ahmed A teammate suddenly jumping in front to block someone in crucial need for heals triggers me more than a Genji who won't wait 5 seconds to combo nano blade……and yeah, as much as I love and main ana, her healing is just so much nastier than other healers……
you commented on junkertown queen video that I just watched
I feel like Ana’s popularity would rise if she had more POTGs. I have NEVER seen an Ana POTG in a quick play or comp game in the 1 year she’s been out. Not only do POTGs make characters feel like they are actually impactful, but they show off just how good that character can be. Blizzard done fucked up when creating the POTG systems to favor eliminations more than character roles. This created the idea that eliminations are the most important part in Overwatch which created so many DPS mains.
Have you guys ever stopped to think about how dumb it is that the only way support can get POTG (outside Mercy’s huge Rezs before her changes) is for them to get eliminations? Zen can’t just Trans, he needs to also land hits with his orbs. Lucio POTG are mostly just him Booping enemies off the map. Symmetra is basically just hold down primary fire for POTG. And now I never see any Mercy POTGs unless you take out your pistol during Valkyrie instead of chain healing and damaging your team, which you SHOULD NOT BE DOING. If you want more people to play Support, you need to change the POTG system so that they feel like they’re actually impactful to the game.
Healers don't really do anything that would be exciting enough for POTG. The best Blizzard could do is have any assisting characters get POTG as well. For example, a mercy boosting a Pharah would be show alongside the Pharah in the POTG highlight sequence.
All the tanks pretty much counters moira. Her damage is too little in a 1v1 situation. But she is a support, so it makes sense.
Kentz Hodiono Her damage is very small, but I have personally died very little with a 1v1 against a tank since I have been able to run off and heal myself.
Areno Gaming sym should be a defense hero. She does good damage like them. But yea she does do a lot of damage and very quick
KiwiLime 키위라임 no she is a support with shield and utility, Not defense
KiwiLime 키위라임 she pretty much is a defense character. The only time she’s a support is when she has her ultimate.
Areno Gaming Sym beats none of the Tanks these days, not since the D.Va missiles rework giving her that extra damage at close range.
what the fuck is a doomfist
Ovonx Don't know he still has yet to be revealed as a hero hope he gets added soon.
#sarcasmatitsfinest
ikr
Doomfist?? Who’s that guy?
I main doomfist, just went 41-6 with 29 final blows last night on Temple of Anubis Def.
Doomfist isn't dead!!!!!!!
Fox McCloud he's not dead, he's just bad compared to other dps
With her healing and Ana’s nade, we are approaching an unkillable hog meta. He, at this point in time, doesn’t die anyway, this pretty much closes the deal. That chubby doughnut vacuum isn’t gonna fall
I think Ana should get a small rework where she can heal herself with like a syringe or something
OneTrickGenjiMain or a mobility buff such as a jetpack like Pharah not the ability that allows her to just fly high but like her boost when you hold jump. Just something to help her get to a better high ground position.
A) she has her grenade to heal herself. B) Ana’s sleep dart and small frame already make her a hard target to hit, unless you have a lock-on hero shooting you, which would only happen if they made it past your team.
Ryan Ager her grenade only heals so much and that's every ten seconds. And I'm not talking about the hitbox she has. I'm just talking about something that could make her as special as the other supports.
She can completely shutdown any one character with her sleep dart, and then proceed to kill them by herself if they are a 200 health hero. Any one nanoed? Shutdown. Speaking of nano, +50% damage dealt and -50% damage taken? And she isn't "special."
Maybe like Mercy’s regen but slower
I play a lot of Mercy and Lucio because I prefer the more mobile supports, so is Moira gonna be another mobile support I can flex on? Also, even though play a lot of Mercy at this point I'd rather they just take out rez altogether or just leave it as part of the ult. I'd rather have that than the movement nerf that is on the ptr.
Honey Albesa You could always just play as if you only have it during ult
moira is somewhat mobile, check out chro's video on her fade ability. might get patched out tho
+Red Ring of Death That's the issue though. At the beginning, Mercy didn't have anything to use to help her team in the mid fight aside from healing or damage boosting which can be done better by either the likes of Ana or Zenyatta. The only thing she had to compete with the other supports is that Huge Rez ult that she had and even then, the other support ults are just as strong, if not stronger, than the old Rez. Now they changed it to be a more limited Rez while allowing Mercy to be more active in the mid fight rather than the Ult fight.
Now, they've essentially brought her back to being Ult Fight Mercy while pretty much gutting the hell out of her Rez. Ult Fight Mercy was a version a lot of people, Mercy and non-Mercy players alike, didn't like because it felt boring just swapping between healing or boosting with you occasionally having your big moment for potentially PoTG.
So then play as if she has res during the mid fight
Well that's just stupid, if you have the ability, use it in a proper situation.
I love Ana omg
In the first game with a miora, I got the survival expert achievement on junkrat. Worthless dps miora's are already getting old.
is this the end of mercy being the must pick main healer era? *_CAN I FINALLY PLAY ANOTHER HERO NOW_*
First?
Mad Soldier dude right I'm always stuck playing mercy... I mean don't get me wrong I love her but it's annoying not one wants to heal
how is this nigga always first on the comments. Do u even work lol or have a life
Mad Soldier nope
Do you even play the game?
Doomwho?
「Act Ecchi Ni-San」 He is a new heroe , i see one of his teaser but he's not released yet...
ah you mean BS Fist
「Act Ecchi Ni-San」 the Fister
You spelled genji wrong
DooM Spice
Solo queuing is the definition of HELL
Bird Person there's other ways to play? 100 hours of only solo q competitive as Mercy :P
If u can’t climb you might have hit your mmr and you need to understand why you aren’t climbing
So main mercy and get carried
Sombra hard counters her so hard. Literally a free kill everytime Sombra hacks her.
Joseph if moira is ignoring her maybe. Moira has life steal in her right click. She can easily heal up the damage she's talking from sombra
Feed Cola Unless the Sombra has just horrible aim, Moira in no way is gonna out heal Sombra
Joseph That's why I'm glad I'm a sombra main..😁
OneRandomVictory if moira places her heal orb thing down, that with the life steal she might be able to out heal her. We'll have to see when she comes out lol
Sombra counters everyone that is hacked tbh lol
This is what im talking about, if they are adding more heroes in the game it will somehow get balance. Instead of nerfing the current heroes all the time.
As an Ana main I'm loving this
I feel like Moira + Ana will bring back triple tank
MattRaptor I never minded triple tank tbh.
Lol more like Mercy + Moira. Who needs burst heal when you have Rez and tanks for peeling.
Hopefully not.
I doubt people gonna play Ana even after her buff. She has no mobility and that reload is annoying. It’s always gonna be mercy because of that reZ
KiwiLime 키위라임 I completely disagree with you. Mercy is dead after this nerf. Just because ana has no mobility doesn't make her bad pick. Ana will be a great pick again, we will see her more often than mercy. She has a sleep dart which is great for shutting down ults and mercy while she's rezzing, and she has great sustain from her nade, high burst healing which mercy doesn't have. After her damage buff she's able to fight back and duel better. 2 shots+nade= a kill. Or just 3 shots. So she can 3 shot pharah again instead of 4. Moira without a doubt will be better than mercy too. The only thing mercy has on them is rez. And rezzing will be super hard to do now unless you're ulting.
Anna is playable now take that mercy
In tight confined rooms, Moira + Mei is scary. Seal in the room, damage orb. Hell, you could even go for a Symmetra using shield Gen or teleporter as bait for it with her turrets.
Moira + Mercy will most likely be the most meta healer pairing outside the pro scene. I could see Lucio/Zen, Lucio/Ana, Lucio/Moira, Moira/Ana, or Moira/Zen being used at the pro level.
I think she just needs a resource meter for her attack. And make her heal resource deplete a rate proportional to the rate her attack resource refill. In other words if you deplete her heal resource to 0%, her attack resource fills to 100% and vice versa
You may be on to something here. Have another meter that, instead of dictating whether or not she can attack, determines how much damage her draining grasp does. As long as the meter has anything in it, she receives, say, 10% damage increase. Not too much, but not too low, either. Of course, the damage boost functions exactly the same as healing grasp's resource. This would make her more support oriented, as those who play DPS Moira will want to heal their teammates to receive the damage buff, which of course means healing for the team.
You, sir, are a genius.
Also, forgot to mention: the damage boost meter only refills when healing grasp is used.
Why force ppl to play like that? If that moira want to DPS ok she gonna lose and fall in bronze ...
Alexandre Galanth well, they don't NEED to use the buff thingy, it's entirely optional. Think of it as a little reward for helping out the team.
Nah what they need to do is put the healing and damage on the same resource meter to put a proper balance on attacking and healing. Have her orbs recharge her meter.
Great...so excited to see triple tank back. An entire season of it with Ana must pick definitely wasn't enough. I'd honestly rather do my taxes again then play during tank meta 2.0.
Nah, Ana deserves more "direct" buffs.
alright calm down
Afterthought For sure. Ana is the least picked support on console.
I mean, she already did. Damage buffed from 60 to 70 on PTR.
winston, moria, zen, Zarya, genji, Reaper. I think this would be a good dive comp
3 Tank meta pls
Milen Kerchev yes! 😣
Why would you want that?
NO! None of that! Shame on you...
Dive > Spam (current). Seriously, this Junkrat-Meta is the worst I ever played with.
Golden Lion current meta is always the worst
I personally feel that adding health Regen on Anas nade for teammates and herself would be nice.
Considering we have YourSombrawatch, having Moirawatch Central would be funny.
#Epic. Id watch that
There has been an increased Ana pick rate lately including myself, even on console. Seems like we all got the same idea of lets play her now so we destroy once she is buffed and mercy nerfed.
Moira + Symettra... Symettra for DPS, Shield and Barriers, Moira for Healing and AOE Damage if needed. Alone, both are ez target for Tanks. Together: true nightmare.
Thank God whenever I played healer is always went for mercy now, can't wait to play Ana again and not feel underpowered
I don’t understand why mercys buff caused everyone to look over her bugs. I don’t believe that they actually patched the rez bug that caused Valkyrie to cause the rez cooldown to be lost at the end of its duration on some occasions.
WHAT HAPPENED TO LOOT BOXES?! I'm constantly getting duplicates since the Halloween event (I only got one new Halloween legendary skin and that's cos I used coins to get it) when I have a ton of stuff still to unlock :((( Why did they revert it back!!
So Mercy time is definitely over? Or it'll be ok as second support with Moira? (If the answer is in the video I'm sorry I don't understand english so well)
biotic grenade needs a lock on similar to zen orbs, simply put it's unreliable especially with so many mobile characters.
I will defeat Mad Soldier, I have faith.
charlieord sry mate u lose
I BELIEVE
Bryan Harrison f off
I wonder how Moira will affect the console meta
Veralium Not much
yeah new characters def never change the game much lol.
Veralium still pharrah genji mercy junkrat Meta on console
Veralium hugely, no one can aim here, a mercy beam damage? Instant golden weapon
Who cares? Not even blizzard cares about consoles.
I think genji might counter her pretty hard. The orbs seem pretty unsafe to use since he can deflect them and her damage/heals from doing so. Also, they move pretty slowly so it wouldn't be hard for genji to just jump right in front
*steal her damage/heals
Sure, Ana is good when paired with Moira. But Moira's presence seems more like an indirect nerf. With Moira's ability to heal through allies with Biotic Grasp and Ana struggling already, Ana is going to get picked less and less. Moira doesn't have to worry about a teammate blocking a heal dart or biotic grenade by accident. Moira heals very effectively and is a lot easier and reliable to play than Ana. I'm not saying Moira needs to be nerfed. Lúcio and Zenyatta are still going to be just as good, and Mercy will likely remain viable as well. But I think Ana will need a buff or two after Moira's introduction.
Was I the only one hoping nano boosted moira ult would look like a kamehameha?
RIP Dennis “INTERNETHULK” Hawkella
Does anyone know when the changes will release on all platforms?
Sombra and Moira would be powerful in coordinated team. Since sombra can see low health target and Moira and put damage to kill them in tight space.
Oat Lerttanasarn why would she need moira tho sombra can just kill them herself unless moira can be her personal body guard and pocket her the entire time
Yay! Ana golden gun hear I come! ^^
Overwatch Mercy the gun doesnt have ears
ikr i was going to get the symm gun but i might just get the ana gun bc shes always been my fav healer to play (and moira is fun but i still like ana better)
I knew them mercy one tricks cant maintain their rank after the nerfs lol
Need more clarification on the heal orb + bionade being stronger than amp heal + bio nade. Because if the orb only heals for 300 total HP thats dumb, if it heals 300 HP per target in its AoE then it is better than amp, but not by much.
Wanted to say this before anyone tries this in comp. Genji beats moira in a 1v1 because he can quickly burst her down but is countered in a team environment which is what they were talking about
Tasin Ahmed And how does he fucking counter her when she can heal the damage he's doing so he's a shitty pick for killing her.
Nah. Moira shits on genji
Torb does well against her. The armor slows her damage to a crawl
I hope triple tank comes back
Doomfist forever be like: "Hello Darkness my old friend..."
McCree + Moira together like glue will shift into Meta
I just hope they won't kill her with nerfs like they did to doomfist.
doomfist is literally fine wtf
i may be wrong but i think i heard in an interview that they kinda regret the nerf he got bc he used to feel so good to play and now hes actually kinda clunky which is what they didnt want. maybe well see some changes soon?
opaf central
You must play a lot of Ana. dont throw your healing orb at the ground lol. it will bounce back up then it wont heal anyone unless you have a flying pharah. throw it at the direction you are going to or where your teammates are running to.
Still think that Mercy and Moira are going to be the meta support. Yea Ana can stop healing but it limits hery healing output she also has no mobility. With Mercy you have Rise and easy single target healing paired with Moire aoe healing and able to take care of herself, while both have mobility/escapes. Lol yea dive meta is coming back just with tanks. About to see a lot of Winston Hogg and D.va.
have you seen the new rez shes dead against most competent teams
If there is a soldier, his ult will suppress Mercy's, if she doesn't die from it even if the soldier can't aim. If Ana hit a sleep dart on either, they will get killed by Ana and her team. A good nade will hurt Moira a lot, as her aoe healing won't heal and Mercy can't heal anyone or herself through her passive if hit by it. A full Dive already has D.va and Winston as tanks, and Hog "doesn't have mobility", which is a reason why you said Ana wasn't good. Mobility the entire concept of Dive. Also, Ana can sleep Hod, or nade him while he is taking a breather, negating is affects.
Don't know about that, Pharah seems to counter that pretty well. Even with hitscan a Pharah mercy would rape w/o a zen.
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As an Ana main, I'm finally looking forward to not having people constantly shit on me if I don't pick Mercy in comp. I'm a good Ana but a terrible Mercy, not that the people on my team actually care
Can you temporarily change your name to Moira watch pls
Junkrat is really good against moira, his damage output just out does all of her self healing. If they did nerf moira in any way I think it would be her beam length cause it's pretty easy for her to kill a Widowmaker or something like that if the widow isn't in a good position relative to her team where her teammates block her. Maybe not hanzo so much though cause he's usually a bit closer to his team. But I really like her beam length personally plus most of the time I think Moir a would be healing sniper damage instead. She's not that hard to get away from as widow anyway you have a grapple hook. Also because moira is a pretty easy solution to pharmercy and I think she should counter that. I just like her too much for her to get nerfed lol
Ofc he is -_-
Wut does peel mean?
Pros who scrimed on PTR barely played Ana. She is still the worst supp in the game (even if I lover her the most). They played mostly Zen+Moira because of Dive and Moira's healing. We will see how meta will change when Moira recieve some nerfs. Ana simply requires a lot of skill to be viable meanwhile other supports need much less skill to be effective (not talking about skill ceiling here). Even Jehong said that Zen is much better than Ana :(
Where's mysca?? Or did I miss something?
Every new hero has slowly balanced the game more
IMHO mercy nerf was actually a mercy buff.
The thing is that by making her ress take a while to be cast, instead of being a instant ress, a lot of mercies that used to do bad resses will not be able to do that now (how many times have you been ressed in front of a full group of enemies just to be instantly killed again ?)
The mercy slow ress means she will try and be somewhat sneaky again, meaning no more ress and instant get mobbed or she would die before ressing you - that ends in more smart ress and waiting out to ress someone when in good position rather than flat out ress rush.
Put that together with how overpowered ress is instead of other stuff and mercy position won't go down all that much.
Sure ana got buffed and works well with moira, but I still don't see mercy going away from the must pick spot any time soon.
Dilson Camacho Dilson Camacho mercy was good because of her ability to rez while in team fight. The only thing she's good for now is rezzing people who got picked off in the backline while not in a teamfight. Even that's a stretch because since she's standing still, the flanker will still be there and shut her down. Also her rez gets interrupted now by knockback, stun, etc. so no. This isn't a mercy buff. This is a mercy nerf. 1.75 cast time is actually pretty long. And she's slowed for 75% which makes her super easy to hit. No one is gonna ignore mercy when she's rezzing. Since overwatch is a game that primarily focuses team fighting, mercy will hardly ever use her rez anymore unless she's ulting. Or if a team fight didn't break out
Take what i said with a grain of salt, because it all depends on what sr you are playing at
Dilson Camacho I agree with every point you made except for that Mercy is going to stay as a must pick. I think these new changes were what she finally needed to remove her from that spot.
While the addition of Moira is certain to switch up comps as well, my big thing is how DVa can interrupt Rez with her charge. Even now, DVa is a great character to hunt Mercy down, and even is she doesn’t kill her, she is 1-2 shots away from a teammate to finish her off. Now, she basically continues her role and has a new way to counter her.
I agree with the previous comments. Another huge thing is that mercy can’t heal while she uses Rez which is very crucial. Now that it almost takes her 2 seconds to Rez, she won’t be able to heal the team during that duration. This is a huge nerf to mercy.
iamgem, not if Moira is the second healer. Don't forget that the game now has 2 main healers, so Mercy will have the opportunity to actually rez. In fact, she can also res while Lúcio AMP it up healing just as his Sound Barrier cast and Zenyatta Trancendence. Mercy will have enough time to group back up with the team to continue healing as her GA has recently buffed this way. Still true that, Mercy cannot afford to resurrect every single one of her mates, rather reconsider her time to rez. This is the solution Blizzard found against abusive rez spamming Mercies.
i think the biggest problem with moira ana is that there are no defensive ults
Coalescence heals, too. Less than Zenyatta, but still enough to save more people from big enemy ultimates.
Rein, Zarya, Winston, Ana, Moira and a good dps =new meta ?
I really want to see a team run Moira, Sombra, Genji, Reaper, WidowMaker and DoomFist or McCree, depending on the situation of course. #TeamTalon/BlackWatch
I think Mei is a good counter to Moira because of her wall
Winston wont be reliable against her cause any player with half a brain will just run away from winston and his bubble. If the winston is dumb enough to directly jump after moira without his bubble he will get team shotted and moira can leech health off winston. Its like picking winston to counter tracer it just doesnt work.
as a mercy main, i am sicken by the recent mercy update. we already got targeted by a lot of ppl, now it is even easier? girl bye
Burst damage counters Moria. She can't self heal if she's taking 200 damage over a short space of time.
Badarm A mine!
Burst damage counters everyone lol.
Unless of course they're someone who can dodge, or resist the damage, then they can attack in the interval that they're vulnerable. Moira does not have the damage to capitalise on such a weakness.
LOL why would u be playing moira into a situation like that anyway let alone any healer? even as mercy as she is now on live u wouldnt go into a 2v6 to rez someone thats just not smart doesnt matter how mobile she is a good team is going to focus the mercy/healer
Sadly, people will GA into the enemy to get a res on live servers.
Oh my fucking god another video about how oh is mercy op or bad. Fuck she was fine before now you have made her a must pick
I want 3x Support 3x tank Meta
Triple tank is never going to come back simply because everyone wants to play dps
She's basically a more faster and quicker Zenyatta
what ??????????????
Moira can't heal at long range. Zenyatta can
Zenyatta can discord the enemy increasing damage taken. Moira doesn't do that ?
Zenyatta can ult healing everyone around him for 300 health per second. Moira ult heals everyone in front of her for 140hp per second
Zenyatta's basic attacks are long range projectiles. Moira's is a medium range beam
The only thing they have in common is they're both supports
also faster, and quicker are the same thing. It's redundant to use them describing the same thing in the same sentence
Sombra is definitely a counter to Moira
Best healers in 2017 Moira,zen,Ana. Lucio is okay mercy nerfed.
Does her attack have infinite ammo?
Rock-Steady-Yeti yeah
All prepare for the tank meta again
Ana’s the healer I’m good at, sooo can I play Ana without my team peerpressuring me into mercy?
I see a quad tank meta incoming
Don't nerf her, buff everybody else
also those we're worst healing orbs i've seen..... ugh. Either way Moira is gonna get buffed. She doesn't stand a chance in real meta, Well maybe as a PURE healer only, her damage is basically nothing now. Mercy shall be buffed along this for sure
G O T O S L E E P
Where's the Doomfist buff😢
I dont think ana will get much use...our skrim teams running tripple tank moria and lucio / zen and we run a half dive. Ana didn't work because shes slow and both moria and lucio work well with mobility and can play in and out of sheilds and as its dive we wanted a more aoe heal. The mercy nerf makes it so she cant really rez Without valk what means she cant rez heros that hard counter. The other teams forced to take the same supports to counter because we have too many barriers ana cant heal and the mercy is very easy to focus and cant rez. If the other team run tripple tank we swap lucio for zen. On 2cp the second point normally is a snowball regardless. If the other team runs more then one dps its so easy like its even more easy then the last tripple tank meta unless the mercy rez changes it will be a triple tank meta.
holy shit the nades and missed shots by the ana at the start of the video triggered me so bad
Yes, cause it's so awful people play something other than a dps. I prefer triple tank over anything dps focused.
Honestly, i just think it's funny to see a David Bowie running around in Overwatch
I want triple tank back
Really? Triple tank has never really taken off???? About Sept 16 it was THE go to meta...
When your an Ana player and you hit the enemy team so many times in the head that you wish she had a critical headshot LIKE ALL THE OTHER SNIPERS IN OVERWATCH
Anyone know release date? I’m a console peasant ;-;
DJuggernaut 301 the 17th
"Myra" "Myra" Myra"
No, ana has 300HP vs 140 HP moira.... that Grenade is such a swing in 1v1 fights. Moiras win 22% of the time
"It could be that Triple Tank may come back..." NO! None of that! Shame on you...
You don't hear enough in your gameplay
Moira seems weak AF.
That right click is too weak even if it is a lock on. Those damaging orbs are going to be way too easy to avoid.
And the burst healing still loses to Ana, who can heal 550 hp in 4 seconds then after 6 seconds do that again.
Seems to be Moira is made far more for lower levels and QuickPlay, which I don't mind at all, QP needs more healers.
But sleep is way more useful at higher levels than a dash escape, it requires more skill as you have to aim a projectile with a delayed fire, but a much higher reward. Nano boost is far more useful in a coordinated push than a blast of area healing and damage.
Coalescence just doesn't seem as good as Zenyatta's transcendence.
One area that Moira will likely be OP is against pharah. She rarely fly's that high and is usually hard to hit. But I'd she's within range it seems you can't miss as Moira.
RIP PHARAH BOIS