Part 4: Channel your pain into meaning. When people experienced abuse and it affected them greatly, they could join a company that fights it by informing society, write a book about it, etc. They create something in their lives to put their pain and suffering into - it's their way of overcoming it and moving on. It could be anything: You were homeless, and now you help homeless people. You had cancer, fought your way out of it, and now you inform about how to prevent it or make it less bad for other diseased people. You were discriminated against your whole life, and now you fight against it and promote learning about different races and cultures. Or you were having harmful thoughts and mindsets, ignoring what your heart craved for in life, and were lost in useless abstract idealizations that didn't help you or others. And now you have become somewhat of a pragmatic person who tries to connect with others and show them that although living is weird, confusing, and scary, it can be easier for all of us if we are discussing it and learning from each other. You may have guessed that this is my story. You can do anything. Write a book about the struggles of strange people. Talk about your problems even more, find similar people who struggle with their identity or something, and join/create a group. We all have origin stories that shape us and are changing through life with our pain shifting, so our channeling of it too. Part 5: Jordan Peterson - how the highly intelligent 5w4 can be out of touch or even crazy. He is an infamous Canadian psychologist with lots of insights (right and wrong) and is an occasional conspirator. He may be right and reasonable in 95% of instances, but when he is wrong, it can be extreme. People can find something valuable in his less radical and more self-improvement takes, but I will be focusing solely on his absolutely wild ones and why I think he could come to them. I think it could relate to you at least a little bit, but you will see for yourself. In one of his books (12 Rules for Life, I think), he was describing a session with his patient, a woman who was telling him that she thought she was raped, and he wrote that he thought to himself something like "She thought? She is not sure," and then concluded, "She is what's wrong with society today.". He started to deny her experience in his head when he should just listen to her traumatic event. It was absolutely disgusting, and he just put it in his book. Some of his tweets are just complete nonsense: "My experience online has suggested to me that those who habitually use "dude" and "bro" are the derisive, narcissistic Machiavellian, sadistic trolls." Ray Blanchard, a professor at some university, tweeted: "Why do people keep writing "lmao", when it is unlikely they are experiencing any such level of convulsive hilarity?", and JP just dropped a bombshell of a response: "It's a marker for narcissism. Not unerring, but a marker." :D A literal citation of the whole TikTok: "Let's say you have a non-standard gender identity. Hey, what the hell are other people supposed to do about that? Like, what are the rules here, right? Because if you're a woman, I kinda know how to treat you - I'm gonna do it in a stereotyped way to begin with, cause I don't know who the hell you are. So, I'm gonna use, you know, low-resolution approximations, and those are gonna be stereotypes - they are no different than categories - and then, when I get to know you, I'll particularize it. But if I don't know whether you're a male or female, what the hell should I do with you? You don't know because you don't know what the rules are, and so the simplest thing for me to do is just not do anything with you." Man didn't think to maybe just treat them as any other human being. One of the comments under the RUclips video about the TikTok video ("Jordan Peterson will always haunt me" by Little Joel): "As a trans/nb person, I am perfectly okay with Jordan Peterson "not doing anything" with me" :D The only reason I am using him as an example is that, in each of these cases, he came to very wrong conclusions about very obvious things. He managed to be so delusional just by approaching everything with his intellectual and educated mind, where it's all connected. He is unable to make simple deductions - most of the time he sees trees for forest or forest for trees - and sees normal, simple things as something else. He is a reason why I'm confident in my own limited deductions because they may totally miss something, so I can't just come to a conclusion about something too broad of a topic like the state of a society, but I don't lose myself that easily in too specific ideas (though I used to be like this before). And even if I do, it's not hard for me to come back. Are you able to look at something more simply/straightforwardly? Or do you try to find answers sometimes with easier/more obvious logic? If not, I think it would benefit you if you tried to do it more - maybe even as much as possible. Personal question relating to my comments: You say you are still processing it. Do you mean your individual reduction of the most important ideas in these paragraphs or the whole of it, like you care about the sauce around it too? I would like to know if you are just comfortable with or if it is more helpful that I am expanding my ideas this way.
Hey there, thank you again. Real quick before I forget: "When people experienced abuse and it affected them greatly, they could join a company that fights it by informing society, write a book about it, etc." - haha, you've just described me perfectly. I've literally worked as a nonprofit manager in child abuse treatment facilities, basic needs assistance, healthcare, advocacy, etc. Trying to "be the adult I needed" for... wow, going on 15 years. And my first book, Upon This Pale Hill, is very much a "I feel broken, I don't know why, what can I do about it? What would that mean?" And I develop a definitive answer while going to *some* dark places. I actually intentionally didn't use all the things that happened to me in the fictional story because I figured it would sound "too dark to be real" / "reality is unrealistic" or just darkness-induced audience apathy. But especially while parenting special needs (I really hold back on details there; it can involve being hit, bitten, screamed at many times a day, which does set off memories of my childhood, and me being on receiving end in both situations), and nonprofits notoriously pay low with long hours, always feeling like I'm pouring from an empty cup, and only for online "personality gurus" to say it all means I lack self-awareness, and I'm deluding myself, and I know nothing, etc. etc. "A real Enneagram 4 would never work at a nonprofit" so said one of the popular figures now (as though being a 4 is my goal, while I mostly relate to the shame, never fitting in anywhere, art is the only refuge, etc.). I had a few videos ago talking about the negative things I've been told over my life, and it's like half an hour, and there's tons more where it came from. Close friends have said things like "you're so sensitive that cruel people seem to sniff you out and take out their aggressions on you, because they know it will upset you and get a reaction".
Oh, and a (much quicker) one: "Man didn't think to maybe just treat them as any other human being." 100%. That's spot-on in both your comment and what it means for that personality type in that unhealthy mindset.
@@PatrickAshe41 I am really sorry for what you went through :( I relate to you in those few videos, and I just thought I saw a pattern that I recognized in myself (relating to a bad mindset, etc.). I always just comment on what I have on a plate. I would not try to give you some advice on something that I know you have already tried or act like some delusional guy who is convinced that he knows the best answer to your problems. I really know absolutely nothing about everything. I just have a little something from my experience and observations, but I thought I would give you some perspectives that could help you. Forgive me. I often work with limited information about things, but new information about the subject changes absolutely everything if it's necessary. Unfortunately, you just happened to talk badly about yourself, and I thought something like: Ha! I know this. This is what I used to do, and now, thanks to these things, I get better! I must tell it to him! I am still interested in you and your problems, and I want to provide support. But let's cut these comments off! Now I really see that I know too little about you from your videos where you are showing your limited self to provide meaningful feedback. If you feel somewhat lonely with your problems, we can chat. Are you using Discord or something? You can feel free to share as much as you want and about what you want. I don't mind philosophy, psychology, society, day-to-day stuff, something deep, anything. I may not be so smart, but I am always learning. Let's connect and make something out of it! :) What do you say?
@@PatrickAshe41 I deleted the Parts 1-3 comment. I watched the video of how your friend visited you that you uploaded six months ago, and it made all the points I made useless. I am again sorry :( I should know better than to give you shallow advice when I didn't get the right impression of you. I feel like I reduced you to just some idea of a solvable problem, which after that video with your friend made it clear to me that you are strictly against putting into boxes and are staying very authentic no matter what (which must be hard, and it's admirable). It clarified for me your mindset of talking badly about yourself - apparently you dive into these even negative emotions because you view them as important too. It's a lesson for me about assuming things. I am really glad that you have such a great friend who understands you and whom you can share! You shine and look happy in that video! :)
Sure thing! I really appreciate your thoughtfulness. No worries on any misunderstandings; it's open discussion, which is usually so much better than the "debate" tone so many threads have. But yes, I do have my Patrick Ashe facebook page (I'm old, ha) and patrickashe41 on InstaGram. Please feel free to connect!
Part 4: Channel your pain into meaning.
When people experienced abuse and it affected them greatly, they could join a company that fights it by informing society, write a book about it, etc. They create something in their lives to put their pain and suffering into - it's their way of overcoming it and moving on. It could be anything: You were homeless, and now you help homeless people. You had cancer, fought your way out of it, and now you inform about how to prevent it or make it less bad for other diseased people. You were discriminated against your whole life, and now you fight against it and promote learning about different races and cultures.
Or you were having harmful thoughts and mindsets, ignoring what your heart craved for in life, and were lost in useless abstract idealizations that didn't help you or others. And now you have become somewhat of a pragmatic person who tries to connect with others and show them that although living is weird, confusing, and scary, it can be easier for all of us if we are discussing it and learning from each other. You may have guessed that this is my story.
You can do anything. Write a book about the struggles of strange people. Talk about your problems even more, find similar people who struggle with their identity or something, and join/create a group. We all have origin stories that shape us and are changing through life with our pain shifting, so our channeling of it too.
Part 5: Jordan Peterson - how the highly intelligent 5w4 can be out of touch or even crazy.
He is an infamous Canadian psychologist with lots of insights (right and wrong) and is an occasional conspirator. He may be right and reasonable in 95% of instances, but when he is wrong, it can be extreme. People can find something valuable in his less radical and more self-improvement takes, but I will be focusing solely on his absolutely wild ones and why I think he could come to them. I think it could relate to you at least a little bit, but you will see for yourself.
In one of his books (12 Rules for Life, I think), he was describing a session with his patient, a woman who was telling him that she thought she was raped, and he wrote that he thought to himself something like "She thought? She is not sure," and then concluded, "She is what's wrong with society today.". He started to deny her experience in his head when he should just listen to her traumatic event. It was absolutely disgusting, and he just put it in his book.
Some of his tweets are just complete nonsense:
"My experience online has suggested to me that those who habitually use "dude" and "bro" are the derisive, narcissistic Machiavellian, sadistic trolls."
Ray Blanchard, a professor at some university, tweeted: "Why do people keep writing "lmao", when it is unlikely they are experiencing any such level of convulsive hilarity?", and JP just dropped a bombshell of a response: "It's a marker for narcissism. Not unerring, but a marker." :D
A literal citation of the whole TikTok:
"Let's say you have a non-standard gender identity. Hey, what the hell are other people supposed to do about that? Like, what are the rules here, right? Because if you're a woman, I kinda know how to treat you - I'm gonna do it in a stereotyped way to begin with, cause I don't know who the hell you are. So, I'm gonna use, you know, low-resolution approximations, and those are gonna be stereotypes - they are no different than categories - and then, when I get to know you, I'll particularize it. But if I don't know whether you're a male or female, what the hell should I do with you? You don't know because you don't know what the rules are, and so the simplest thing for me to do is just not do anything with you."
Man didn't think to maybe just treat them as any other human being.
One of the comments under the RUclips video about the TikTok video ("Jordan Peterson will always haunt me" by Little Joel):
"As a trans/nb person, I am perfectly okay with Jordan Peterson "not doing anything" with me" :D
The only reason I am using him as an example is that, in each of these cases, he came to very wrong conclusions about very obvious things. He managed to be so delusional just by approaching everything with his intellectual and educated mind, where it's all connected. He is unable to make simple deductions - most of the time he sees trees for forest or forest for trees - and sees normal, simple things as something else. He is a reason why I'm confident in my own limited deductions because they may totally miss something, so I can't just come to a conclusion about something too broad of a topic like the state of a society, but I don't lose myself that easily in too specific ideas (though I used to be like this before). And even if I do, it's not hard for me to come back. Are you able to look at something more simply/straightforwardly? Or do you try to find answers sometimes with easier/more obvious logic? If not, I think it would benefit you if you tried to do it more - maybe even as much as possible.
Personal question relating to my comments:
You say you are still processing it. Do you mean your individual reduction of the most important ideas in these paragraphs or the whole of it, like you care about the sauce around it too? I would like to know if you are just comfortable with or if it is more helpful that I am expanding my ideas this way.
Hey there, thank you again. Real quick before I forget:
"When people experienced abuse and it affected them greatly, they could join a company that fights it by informing society, write a book about it, etc." - haha, you've just described me perfectly. I've literally worked as a nonprofit manager in child abuse treatment facilities, basic needs assistance, healthcare, advocacy, etc. Trying to "be the adult I needed" for... wow, going on 15 years. And my first book, Upon This Pale Hill, is very much a "I feel broken, I don't know why, what can I do about it? What would that mean?" And I develop a definitive answer while going to *some* dark places. I actually intentionally didn't use all the things that happened to me in the fictional story because I figured it would sound "too dark to be real" / "reality is unrealistic" or just darkness-induced audience apathy.
But especially while parenting special needs (I really hold back on details there; it can involve being hit, bitten, screamed at many times a day, which does set off memories of my childhood, and me being on receiving end in both situations), and nonprofits notoriously pay low with long hours, always feeling like I'm pouring from an empty cup, and only for online "personality gurus" to say it all means I lack self-awareness, and I'm deluding myself, and I know nothing, etc. etc. "A real Enneagram 4 would never work at a nonprofit" so said one of the popular figures now (as though being a 4 is my goal, while I mostly relate to the shame, never fitting in anywhere, art is the only refuge, etc.). I had a few videos ago talking about the negative things I've been told over my life, and it's like half an hour, and there's tons more where it came from. Close friends have said things like "you're so sensitive that cruel people seem to sniff you out and take out their aggressions on you, because they know it will upset you and get a reaction".
Oh, and a (much quicker) one: "Man didn't think to maybe just treat them as any other human being." 100%. That's spot-on in both your comment and what it means for that personality type in that unhealthy mindset.
@@PatrickAshe41 I am really sorry for what you went through :( I relate to you in those few videos, and I just thought I saw a pattern that I recognized in myself (relating to a bad mindset, etc.). I always just comment on what I have on a plate. I would not try to give you some advice on something that I know you have already tried or act like some delusional guy who is convinced that he knows the best answer to your problems. I really know absolutely nothing about everything. I just have a little something from my experience and observations, but I thought I would give you some perspectives that could help you. Forgive me. I often work with limited information about things, but new information about the subject changes absolutely everything if it's necessary. Unfortunately, you just happened to talk badly about yourself, and I thought something like: Ha! I know this. This is what I used to do, and now, thanks to these things, I get better! I must tell it to him!
I am still interested in you and your problems, and I want to provide support. But let's cut these comments off! Now I really see that I know too little about you from your videos where you are showing your limited self to provide meaningful feedback. If you feel somewhat lonely with your problems, we can chat. Are you using Discord or something? You can feel free to share as much as you want and about what you want. I don't mind philosophy, psychology, society, day-to-day stuff, something deep, anything. I may not be so smart, but I am always learning. Let's connect and make something out of it! :) What do you say?
@@PatrickAshe41 I deleted the Parts 1-3 comment. I watched the video of how your friend visited you that you uploaded six months ago, and it made all the points I made useless. I am again sorry :( I should know better than to give you shallow advice when I didn't get the right impression of you. I feel like I reduced you to just some idea of a solvable problem, which after that video with your friend made it clear to me that you are strictly against putting into boxes and are staying very authentic no matter what (which must be hard, and it's admirable). It clarified for me your mindset of talking badly about yourself - apparently you dive into these even negative emotions because you view them as important too. It's a lesson for me about assuming things. I am really glad that you have such a great friend who understands you and whom you can share! You shine and look happy in that video! :)
Sure thing! I really appreciate your thoughtfulness. No worries on any misunderstandings; it's open discussion, which is usually so much better than the "debate" tone so many threads have. But yes, I do have my Patrick Ashe facebook page (I'm old, ha) and patrickashe41 on InstaGram. Please feel free to connect!
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