Riding a Bafang 500W mid-drive kit on DIY eBike. Range? Speed? Steep climbs? Is it Fun?
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
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After 2 years of diligent service, we'll revisit this bike and some of the changes I made to it.
I'll talk about my experience building and driving it.
And finally, we'll see what the future holds for it...
This is the test drive of my old Decathlon Rockrider, equipped with a 500W BBS02B mid-drive kit.
Enjoy! 😉
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Chapters:
0:00 Welcome
1:51 Building process
4:12 Result
5:21 Noise
5:59 Pedaling sensing system
8:19 Is 500 enough?
11:06 Driving
11:52 Last thoughts
15:54 Greetings 👋
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The building video:
• DIY: Building an e-Bik...
500W Mid-drive comparison:
• Tongsheng TSDZ2 or Baf...
Consumption comparison Bafang Vs Tongsheng:
• Tongsheng 10 Km THROTT...
Bafang BBS02B 750W:
• Riding a Bafang 750W m...
Tongsheng TSDZ2 500W:
• DIY: First Time with T...
About ebikes (subEN-subFR):
• SPIEGONE E-BIKE 1: Bic... (part1)
• SPIEGONE E-BIKE 2: Bat... (part2) 
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Luke, this video is so well done. You illuminate so many nuances about eBiking with your pure and intuitive insight. I especially thought your explanation of the difference between torque and cadence sensors was the best I have ever heard. Greatly appreciate this video.
So amazing that his English and vocabulary is so good, clear, accurate. Very informative. Thank you.
Thanks for the great details, @Luke Lorusso! I like the ideas you hinted at for your next round of tests! 👍
thanks for on screen conversions ! much appreciated
Great video, very informative, well done😊
Just finished mine. Great.
@12:07 Thanks for inviting me in. I have a BBS02 on an old Diamond Back Ascent Ex circa 1989 so this is interesting.
got to the end... me too... was thinking of upgrading to a frame with disc brakes when I can afford it... probably next year.
Luke, thank you
Great video.
Hi, Great video. I've had a bafang bbso2 500 watt for 4 years now and its still going strong. Ive had problems with the speed sensor, blinking led, not working, but just buy a seperate speed sensor instead. I found for mainly level ground and canal paths that a big chain ring is better, I used a 48 but even a 50 would be better. The motor has never failed on me and im doing tyical rides of 50 kms and only had 2 punctures on my marathon tyres.😊
I saw the Brindisi sign and freaked out. I used to ride my bike from San Vito to the base when it was there in the 70s during the oil embargo. no vehicles on sundays. I was 12 years old than in1974 . Great times In San Vito area.
Thanks for the insights! I'm planning to convert my Specialized Crosstrail. Where I live, 500W is the limit for riding on the street and bike paths.
Great Video. So informative. Thanks alot.
Thanks for the clarification between Tongsheng & Bafang.
it is for my first ebike as I don’t really get tired pedaling all day, so screwing myself over with battery waste is not what I want to be concerned about during a ride. That takes the fun out of enjoying the ride, and likely make one lazy.
Nice video!
Greetings from Bern. Currently building my first conversion with a BBS02 500W
You started talking in Italian & my brain went: "why do I understand him? That's not Spanish! "
😂😂😂
Interesting… I can usually understand about 50% of Spanish (I lived in Puerto Rico for a year 14 years ago), but I couldn’t pick up _any_ of his Italian.
Edit: _just_ as I posted this, I understood approximately his last 3-4 sentences.
@@altosack that may be because PR Spanish is quite different and recognizing some Spanish/Italian pairs require ample vocabulary, i.e.: "eating" -> comer (es) / mangiare (it). Spanish has "manjar" (feast), but it's rarely used.
Love this review, thanks for spending the time to help others know what to do, what not to do, and which model is the right one for people to buy.
Excellent 👌 very well explained and presented. Have a little 250watt front drive kit. Been brilliant but more power would be better. The Bafang 500 our 750.
I really appreciate your videos! So in detail and describing the important things, great. I just installed my Bbs02b 500w and a 27ah 36v triangle battery. So pleased with it. The only thing I done so far is to change the secondary gear grease to Mobil Mobilith SHC 100, taking great care of cleaning out the original black grease (Moly). A question though, is the Mobil grease SHC100 compatible with the nylon gear as well? I have found some statements that it is. And also done some reprogramming.
My bike has bbshd 1000w mid-drive and a 52v 21ah battery so I don't worry about range and I do love riding it I live the UK it is hilly where I live I loved you video and the information you gave thank you 😊 👍🏾
Hi mate, I choose kind of the same for my 750W: a 48v 17.5ah battery that's everlasting 💪
some days ago I got this comment from a guy which have little to no space for the battery on his full suspension frame and asked me about 13ah for its 500W... I felt the need to talk about minimum capacity
Hi, I'm currently converting my bike to bafang ebike. I live in the UK? Any advise or personal experience with the mid drive? Thanks
@@amirulandsally12 Hey mate if you finished your build could you please let me know about the rules and regulations in the UK? I know the 25kmh limit but how strict is it?
Ah beautiful Italia. I'm from Canada and when I was in Rome in March it was like 18 degrees and we were all walking around in shorts and all the Italians were in winter coats still and we're looking at us like we were crazy people. Lol.
nobody should wear shorts in Italy under 22 degrees C as min temp of the day, man! 😂 it's like against the law
Very well done video. I even like hearing your Italian -- I think it is a beautiful-sounding language.
Thanks man, very appreciated!
Have you ever tried a clutch derailleur in the rear for the chain slack issue? Highly recommended. I use a sram gx eagle for my rear and haven't dropped a chain since installing.
Good explanation, thanks bro
Bravo e grazie molto
Good evening, where can I find a powerful motor with 500 watts that runs at 50 kilometers per hour?
im planning to buy one but i dont know if will fit in my santa cruz v10
Hello guys. Am having a mid drive build, 3KW to be precise, the controllers am finding are not for mid drive because they calculate speed from the motor not the tires. Also a display the calculates values from the wheel would be nice. Any leads will be highly appreciated
Thanks
Hello! You’re a bit hard on yourself for the 2nd video comments! I must have watched that video 10 times before buying and installing my bafang kit. Keep up the great work and though your English is excellent, Italian is great (lots of similar sounds to French…;) ) and subtitles work great! Good luck on your projects!
Thank you very much Jean-Yves! Je l'apprécie beaucoup 🙏
Tongsheng has updated it's motor, tsdz2B. Would be interesting to see how it evolved. What i understand from their info is that it can handle more torque now.
I'm very impressed by the Tongsheng.
New model TSDZ2B has more robust gearing (can handle more torque, as you said), and more reliable freewheel that has less drag when pedaling without motor. And version with OSF (Open Source Firmware) is *super* programmable/customizable.
A Bafang killer? No - BBSHD has far more sheer power, and there's always a market for that. But a more elegant and refined product, I think, and the torque sensing feature is especially well integrated.
I may just buy one! 😉
posso chiederti una cosa vorrei montare il bbs01 il 250W a una tensione che va da 36v a 48 v posso montare una batteria da 48v o e meglio da 36v (magari si scalda meno legalmente sono a posto ciao bel video.
I really enjoy your videos. Since 2 years Im wondering in what type of electrification to go. I rented decathlon bikes (hub & mid), I liked every type and I can't decide. Final decision is conversion: MID BBS02 500w 48V or 500W geared HUB. But im wondering what will be the diffenence. What is faster to the flat city and what consumes less electricity. 500 mid or 500 hub ? I need 50km range and average 35km/h speed.
Hi Luke! Just ordered a 750W 48V Bafang thanks to you. Do you still have it?
thanks for the italian lesson... i subbd
what do you recommend for a 750 what build for around 20mph range on road
Great video's, I ride a recumbent trike and recently installed a 500w Tongshen mid-drive with a 36v 12ah battery. This is the 1st motor so I'm still learning, I needed the assist on the hills where I live....I guess because the battery is new I can ride 30 to 40km and the battery doesn't show that there's any juice used?
Hey! It's quite normal, Tongsheng mid-drive motors tend to save more energy (because of the torque sensing s.)
I noticed (but don't know if it's just mine) that the on screen battery indicator seems to be always full, unless you're really low (I mean is not that precice), so I must find a way to show the voltage level somehow
BTW it's a great range :) with my 36V 15Ah I can reach 45-55km, it seems in line with your experience
So I guess you don't use the pedals much to go uphill since you have the 44T in front and a 7 or 8 cassette in the back, probably with something like 32T at max. This is not a really good hill climbing setup, isn't it ;)?
I'm thinking about putting a 250W/350W 48V 13Ah Bafang setup on my old full suspension MTB and it has a 8x cassette with 32T in the back. So this is why I'm wondering about this.
Thanks for the great content, th nice and lively presentation and overall the very practical building approach!!!
11:51 When the video just switches to another language completely randomly.I actually thought I was losing it for a second there! haha nice video :)
very helpful. i will use the 750 watt bfang. using a little brake when changing gear.
Bari Vecchia, sottopassaggio via Capruzzi, Japigia, Parco 2 Giugno, strada per Bariblu, ponte di via Caldarola, via Omodeo, lungomare...tutte strade che faccio con la mia Rockrider E-St 100, e che in precedenza facevo con la mia vecchissima Colnago Tre Cime con front hub (che mi sono pentito di aver venduto). Ultimamente ho scoperto come andare a Palese dal centro
hey will this work with an enduro frame?
Hey man, your comparison between the Tongshen and Bafang really helped me. I really wanted a torque sensor bike and not cadence, and I didn't even know of the Tongshen. Can you tell me, do I only need that kit and a battery, or anything else? Thanks for making the videos!
Hey! Thanks to you guys for watching them :)
Ideally, the kit + the battery will be enough.
Don't worry if the battery connector and the motor's one don't match, you can always link the wires directly (or use common electrical junctions)
Any other extra upgrade can be purchased afterwards, when and if you really feel the need. 👍
Start right now to see if someone near you can take apart your bottom bracket (in case it's your first time... I never actually managed to do that myself) 😅
You can now get a Tongsheng kit with a throttle for more versatility.
@@peterketler3439 you always could.
Question. Are the two bottle screws enough to hold the battery? Or did you extra fix and how?
Hi! I also thought in the beginning it was too weak, but it's actually more than enough. Never had to extra fix on any of the 3 bikes
If you really feel the need to enforce the holder add some zip ties (maybe metal ones) but I personally never needed em
Lausanne ta 0:56min 😂 What is your experience with the kit there?
Ciao! Innanzitutto grazie per i vari video, mi hanno convinto a montare un 750w e smanettare un po' anche a me. Poi, immagino lo saprai già, ma ti consiglio vivamente di smanettare e testare diverse misure di corone e pignoni, poiché una corona piccola davanti e pignoni grandi dietro fanno una differenza veramente enorme, sia nella fatica che nella qualità della pedalata ma soprattutto nell'usura del motore e della batteria. Sembra una stupidaggine, ma già passare da una corona a 44 denti ad una da 40 permette di fare molto più facilmente le salite e/o di sforzare meno il motore e quindi la batteria. Io attualmente ho una 40 denti davanti (di meno no poiché altrimenti la linea catena sarebbe esageratamente storta) e un pacco pignoni da 11/48 al posteriore. Con questa configurazione riesco a fare agilmente salite sterrate e fuori strada talmente ripide da rischiare di ribaltarmi all'indietro, e visto che peso 130 chili, puoi immaginare quanto gli ingranaggi siano importanti. Insomma, tutto 'sto pippone perché tra i vari video test non ti ho mai sentito nominare corona e pignoni e l'importanza che hanno nell'esperienza complessiva. Spero di essere stato di aiuto, buoni esperimenti! 😊
Ciao Jack!
Si hai perfettamente ragione, però nei video ci metto già un sacco di roba 😅 se attacco anche con le corone è finita!
L'idea che voglio far passare è che il 44T di base va universalmente bene, poi a seconda dell'uso che si fa della bici, chiaramente uno sceglie la dentatura più appropriata...
...forse lo farò un video a riguardo, grazie del feed ;)
@@LukeLorusso Immaginavo ne fossi perfettamente a conoscenza! Grazie ancora e keep up the good work! 😁
I would hope that Bari would be relatively flat being by the sea - at least the parts that I have seen were fairly level. This would mean that even a 250w motor could be usable (and legal !).
It' absolutely flat - highest level above the sea is about ten meters. 250w is OK. The real problem is the 25 km/h limit. 30 30 would have been much better
How much is this 500 watt kit
Ciao Luke, intanto grazie per i video....fonte infinita di apprendimento. Sto pensando di acquistare un kit bafang per la mia gary fisher tiburon ( freni v-brake)...diciamo che fino a qualche giorno fa ero orientato verso il 750W cosi da vendere definitivamente lo scooter e trasformare la mia bici in un mezzo polivalente in una città come Roma. Ma i tuo video mi hanno fatto salire dei dubbi circa i possibili pericoli visto il motore molto potente su un sistema frenante non proprio all'altezza. secondo te conviene un 750w magari autolimitandolo oppure dirotto l'acquisto verso un kit più docile ( 500W)? grazie di cuore
Ciao Emiliano! Sono d'accordo con te che per un 750W dei freni a V non sono l'ideale. Tuttavia, hai specificato Roma 😄 questo cambia tutta l'equazione!
A memoria, Roma non è sempre pianeggiante e scegliere un 750W potrebbe fare tutta la differenza. Inoltre, la scelta obbligata di batterie a 48V o 52V permetterebbe anche di avere l'autonomia necessaria per le sue grandi distanze.
Certamente io ne ridurrei le prestazioni come mostro nel video di downgrade con il Bafang tool. Nessuna riduzione invece sarebbe necessaria per un motore Tongsheng 👍
@@LukeLorusso grazie di cuore veramente...ero in dubbio e non sapevo cosa fare....cmq la ricordi benissimo...grandi salite/grandi discese. ancora grazie
Hi Luke. i live on mountainy area, the bbs02 500w and 750w price difference is 10$. Do you think i shld get the 500w, the battery im thinking of getting will be 48v 13ah. Grazzie
I would get the 750W, you can always downgrade it in the settings. But in both cases, if you can, take a 48V 15Ah battery
Currently have Y-20 step through with 750w rear hub. 15 ah 48v battery.
Think I have around 70 NM at best.
Great bike and for my use not had battery range issues.
However I live in an extremely hilly area.
The food delivery guys mainly use mid drives.
So I have purchased a bbshd 1000w 48 v mid drive.
Looking forward to the extra torque on hills.
Have to see how it runs once I get it fitted.
Since my current rear hub unit is geared I plan to leave it since I’m told this will freewheel.
In time plan to replace it with a standard wheel but picking up a 20x4.0 is not easy in my location. Yea I can order on line.
I’m hoping to fit an Alfine 8 speed hub so may have to build a wheel.
This will allow me to change down gears when stopped.
Are bafang possible to get in touch with.can’t find any email.phone or address.I have purchased one kit but no way to get in touch for spares etc. gerry
Umm like your information as always but what was with the end of the video???????
ahah thanks man, just wanted to try something different, let's see how it goes
Thanks for the video. You said you regret the cable routing, but not why?
Hey David! since it's positioned in the front, it gets all sorts of debris, water splashes and (rarely) bumps too...
@@LukeLorusso thanks Luke
ho qualche dubbio. so che in italia non si potrebbe montare un motore con potenza superiore ai 500 W e che non si potrebbero superare i 26 km/h. ma ho visto che le impostazioni spesso consentono di limitare la velocità massima via software. mettiamo che io importi il limite di 26 m. a quel punto può risultare conveniente e legale disporre di un motore da 500 w da usare in offroad a piena potenza e impostare la limitazione solo quando si va in strade urbane?
Ciao Giorgio, dubbi leciti. Dunque, io faccio questi video per il mercato globale. In America ad esempio 750W è il massimo legale, mente in Svizzera va benissimo 500W se si targa e assicura la bici.
In Italia, anche impostando un limite di 25kmh, il limite legale per le bici è 250W, quindi se si viene fermati per un controllo e si rileva una potenza nominale maggiore, si incorre in sanzioni comunque.
Ciò detto, la responsabilità è di chi guida queste bici sulla strada pubblica, non di chi le assembla
@@LukeLorusso grazie. a questo punto, posto che una volta ho provato una bella ebike trek da 250W che andava benone sarei curioso di sapere cosa andrei a quadagnare avendo un 500W invece del 250W. piu' potenza, ma probabilmente quella che mi da il 250W (magari aumentando il livello di assistenza) sarebbe comunque piu' che sufficiente. Per quanto riguarda i controlli dato che non abito in città e faccio soprattutto sterrati avrei pochi timori di essere fermato
@@giorgio.plazzotta non posso fare speculazioni sul essere fermati, però posso dirti che i watt nominali non sono l'unica cosa che conta: i newton-metro sviluppati sono importanti e anche quanti denti ha la corona del motore...
ne parlerò in un prossimo video :)
Do you think its possible that i put a 48v batteri on my 36v 500w bafang motor ?
Here's your answer www.reddit.com/r/ebikes/comments/7h5oej/comment/dqou4il/
I would suggest you not to: the risk of breaking things is very high and, even if you'll succeed, your motor will last way shorter
Search, instead, for 36V batteries with bigger capacity, like 17 or 20Ah
@@LukeLorusso thc so much for your answer. I have a battery 36v 27,8ah and 2 36v 14,6 ah. Maybe gonna parallel connect the two 14,6ah batterys instead. Just have too figure out where too put them. Again, thx for your reply
@@040stonehill sure! :) checkout this video too!
ruclips.net/video/9zILIYZwDAE/видео.html
What was your favorite ebike in 2001?
I need one of those. But I can't.
Ciao Luke !
Da vero Parigino (nato a cresiuto) faccio lo sforzo di scrivere nella tua lingua, inreferimento alla fine del tuo video :-)
Complimenti per i tuoi video, continua cosi ! A noi piace i tuoi feedback e i tuoi progetti !
Mi permetto di chiederti un parere, mi serve una bici per andara al lavoro (Alesia --> La Defense, quindi circa 30 km A/R) e pensavo di procurarmi un Tongshen TSDZ2. Ma devo dire che il hubmotor Bafang SWX02 mi fa d'occhio.
Anch'io faccio 1,90M e quindi mi serve un telaio XL :-)
Secondo te, une Btwin Elops 520 puo andare bene ? A Parigi ho provato sia un Shimano mid-drive da 250W (Swapiets) che una hub Bafang (bici Uber) e devo dire che trovo che il hub-motor spinge piu forte nonostance sie meno progressivo e naturale che il Shimano mid-drive.
PS : Anch'io vado ogni tanto in Italia se ti serve qualche servizio postale ;-)
Ciao,
Ambroise
Salut Ambroise! Merci pour l'effort, mais t'inquiète pas, j'échange toujours en français pour travail (même si j'apprécie beaucoup l'effort!) 😉
Alesia -> La Defense c'est quand même beaucoup!
J'adore le vélo que t'as choisi, surtout parce que y a déjà le support pour le porte-bagages arrière.
Tu peux penser à des batteries de ce type du coup, parce que tu aurais besoin de beaucoup d'énergie!
Si tu veux rester dans la légalité, 250W ça va y aller.
Si tu trouves que le moteur de type hub pousse plus fort, je crois que tu aimes plutôt le système de détection de cadence (typique des Bafang à mouvement central et de la plupart des moteurs de type hub): la majorité des moteurs centraux (je ne parle pas des kits d'installation) ont un système de détection de couple (similaire au Tongsheng)
Pour ton trajet il faut bien considérer une batterie de bonne capacité: au moins 36V 15 Ah pour un moteur 250 W; sinon au moins 36V 17 Ah si tu veux un 500W (ou 48V 13 Ah) 💪
@@LukeLorusso j’ai finalement craqué pour le TSDZ2 en version 48V 750W 💪
Pour la batterie ça n’est pas un problème, j’ai fabriqué une 48V 17Ah. Ça devrait le faire donc…
Pour le Elops 520, c’est un classique Hollandais donc bien adapté pour les grandes tiges comme nous. La position est idéale. Il a le mérite d’être abordable (
@@ambroisephilip3180 tu fabrique des batteries? ...ah merde pourquoi j'ai quitté Paris?? 😭
Amuse-toi bien, tu va-y avoir un super vélo!
@@LukeLorusso
Moi non mais j’ai un ami qui me fait ça pour 150€ Maximum avec capteur de température, Indicateur de Volt et % restant en temps réel. Je pense que les cellules proviennent de trottinettes 🛴…
No comment.
Je voulais aussi te demander, penses-tu que le TADZ2 soit compatible avec une transmission Nexus Inter 7 ? Ou est-ce que cela risque d’endommager le moyeu ?
@@ambroisephilip3180 je ne suis pas trop sur, car je n'ai jamais vu un, mais idéalement il n'y a pas des différences niveau transmission... ça devrait aller
Il 500w sale bene le salite(non pedalando)?
ciao, di salirle le sale. non ci si può aspettare alte velocità se non si pedala.
la velocità dipende soprattutto dalla carica della batteria, dal rapporto utilizzato e da quanto lo si aiuta con le gambe.
io di solito vado di marcia medio-alta (tipo 7 su 9), assistenza quasi massima (4 su 5), accelerazione e pedalata per avere 35kmh. non è affatto faticoso, quindi pedalare non mi pesa e so che facendolo risparmio batteria
@@LukeLorusso chiedevo perché vivo in collina con delle salite bastarde e per nn farmi mancare nulla ho artrite ecc stò valutando il 1000w quando potrò. Ho anche chi mi fa le batterie praticamente a metà prezzo(infatti ho 36v 30ah nel monopattino). Più che altro la cosa che mi ha stranito è che il monopattino da 1000w che ho sale a malapena(5nm),poi vedo il bafang anche da 250w che ha 100nm,sale da solo dappertutto allora? A me nn interessa la velocità,ma il fatto di fare le salite... il mio monopattino nei punti più ripidi sale a 10km forse e mi devo spingere un po con le gambe. Poi essendo una bici(col bafang),pensavo a un mini carrellino(per la spesa),quindi 1000w direi che vanno bene(poi si può regolare pure).
@@gabriele2659 purtroppo non ho tutte le risposte che cerchi, mi dispiace per la tua artrite. posso suggerirti in questo caso il bbs02b da 750w: è più che sufficiente, abbinato a una bici con rapporti abbastanza larghi.
guarda questo m.ruclips.net/video/CNyqPEdvfVs/видео.html
il 1000w a mio avviso è eccessivo: già con il 750w se non si sta attenti si rischia di impennare in salita!
anziché gettare soldi per il 1000w, assicurati una batteria da almeno 48v 17ah 💪
@@LukeLorusso grazie mille. Vedrò se riuscirò a provarne una prima di fare la mia. Per la batteria,ho uno che me le fa e metterò minimo 25/35ah.
I say at least 48v20ah battery for a 750watt motor
perche preferisci i meccanici piuttosto che idraulici?
I still dont understand why people are so concerned with how fast these motors go. It's all to do with the bikes gearing, battery size, bike weight and rider weight. A 500w wont be as powerful as a 1kw obviously. As the owner of 2 1kw mid drives and a 750w mid drive, i prefer to get more miles than worry about how fast i can go, because when you start going really fast, your disc brakes have to work harder, and if you are not using ebike rated pads, then you will be wearing your pads out too fast. I can do a 50 kilometer ride usingbmy 750w bike and not move off assist level 3 and only use three cassette gears tp deal with the hills i have on that particular ride. And i only use between 30 or 40% of a 52v battery capacity. And yes i run a 750w motor with a 52v battery, it works great. So what do i mean? If you want to travel fast using an ebike, buy a 1kw 52v kit and if you plan on travelling on mainly flat roads, use a road bike or hybrid with a 52t chain ring and a 7 speed casette. But remember, your run times will be limited as well as your miles.
The brake pads🤦😂🤣😂
Hello
Is there an easy way to contact baffang re parts etc
But Bafang 750W has torque of 120Nm, not 160Nm.
I can sprint 24mph lol pretty dangerous
in italiano is better 😄
Come on admit it, your mother was in the other room and she said "speak Italian!" and you are afraid of her.
yes, I moved she and her hand made orecchiette to the toilet just to make the video xD
...man I would eat so much better if she wasn't hundreds of km away!