Check out this device and the Lightning to USB adapter here: This version - amzn.to/2MuFU0V Newer version - amzn.to/2SNOAk5 Lightning to USB 3 adapter - amzn.to/2OtI8Af
I just bought this device and cannot get it to work. Plug it in to the keyboard using the camera adaptor and the sound comes out of the keyboard. Plug my headphones in and they are loud and clear. What am I doing wrong?.
Thanks so much for finding this solution. This brings my days of searching to an end :) I have found dongles that have a 3.5mm jack and OTG USB-A ports, but a quirk of ios/lightning connector means that they can't be used simultaneously.
WOW!! i didn;t think about that....just get a lightning to usb adapter, and then a cable for your midi device, and boom, you can monitor through garageband! thanks Pete!
Very helpful. Thank you! The other adapters I tried didn’t work at all, other stopped working after about 10 minutes. This one worked and I just played for 30 minutes!!
Haha! Yes, it was you and about 10 others asking me this question that inspired the video. I figured there is likely lots of people having the same issues.
Great video showing the setup. Following your previous answer to this question I’m awaiting mine arriving from the US. Love Apple products, but WHY do they make it so difficult! Thanks for all your help.
Haha! Yes, I agree. It wouldn’t be hard to have a headphone jack, or even for Apple to product a device like this. Sadly I would probably pay $30 to Apple for a genuine device that did this. 😕
Pete Johns USB Sound Hub just delivered to UK from Amazon US. Unboxed, plugged in and......................... YES IT WORKS!! I can now happily monitor my midi keyboard ramblings without destroying my marriage. 😂 Such a simple AND inexpensive workaround for an issue where Apple yet again failed. Once again Pete..THANK YOU.
Fantastic! So glad to hear it worked out for you Ken. I can only go on my experience and while almost everyone I have recommended this to has had success, you never can quite 100% trust the quality of some of these imports. Glad you're sorted there!
Anything that uses general MIDI and is self powered will work with this sort of setup. Otherwise you might want to check out a more complete audio interface like the Steinberg UR22C or something he iRig Pro I/O series. studiolivetoday.com/gear
Hi Pete. Im glad that i can see this video. Can you help me this please. Im new to piano. I have just bought rp107 and simply piano app to learn. I tried midi bluetooth and headphone bluetooth but there are some delay when i press the keyboard. I think with this setup the delay will be gone but i want to know if simply piano app can receive midi signal from this setup ? Sorry if my English is bad.
Hi I think this is just what I need. I have an iRig Mini and an iPhone Se3 and a batery Roland Cube Amp. Will this work with my set up? and if so, where can I get 1 in New Zealand? Thank you so much. From Diane
Hey Diane. Yeah it should help you out. Though the quality is not as good as an audio interface. EBay is your best bet for these from our side of the world.
Well, not surprisingly, 4 years later, the device you recommend is no longer available. Have you found any newer ones recently? I'm hoping to be able to connect my midi keyboard, my wired 3.5mm headphones, AND (if possible) a charger so I can use this in a studio environment (so my battery doesn't go dead.) Thanks for any help.
Hi Pete, how are you? I have been following your channel since very long. Since it is 2024 can you suggest a MIDI keyboard which I can connect to my USB c iPhone and monitor it with a headphone ?
Haha! Yes. As I learned more about public speaking I realised that I was too fast and pitched my voice too high. Before each recording I tend to say to myself “slow... and low”. 😄
Great information Pete. Love your videos! This question is a little off the subject but I figure if anyone can answer it’s you. I have a new iPad 12 inchPro with the usb-c but it won’t recognize my usb mic. I’ve tried pluging straight in and using a powered hub. It lights up both ways but won’t connect. Any thoughts? The mic is a Samsun G-track pro
Hmmmm..... that’s odd. I don’t have an iPad Pro myself but have heard from others that you can just convert from USB-C to USB using pretty much any adapter and it should work. The folks at Samson are pretty good so perhaps check in with them. There are also great Facebook groups that have folks who may have ideas - iPad Musician and GarageBand Users.
Pete Johns ... Thank you Pete for getting back to me. I’ll keep on trying.... maybe I’m doing something wrong. But it all works great on my iPhone with the lightning connector, so it’s odd , anyway,Thanks again.
I have tried my Samson Meteor and it seemed to work okay but you’d probably run low on power for too many devices and need a powered hub. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Very cool! I currently run a USB microphone to my MacBook Pro, running GarageBand. The microphone has a headphone jack for monitoring. I can monitor perfectly fine when my microphone is plugged into my iPhone. However, monitoring doesn't work this way if I'm plugged into my MacBook Pro. Would I need to plug headphones into my MBP (via Lighting adapter) to monitor what's being recorded? Thanks again for the huge catalog of knowledge. Love the content!
Oh really? I’m not super close to the Mac world I’m afraid. I would have thought it would be the same and you could monitor through the headphone jack still?
Will this setup also charge the device or power the midi controller with a charging cable connected or will it be stuck drawing power from the phone? Or iPad?
@@PeteJohnsMusic what i want is just change the audio of my keyboard because it's too bad and i want to know if you can change it through the aux input or the mic input because it's old, is there any way?
Not quite sure I follow you sorry? If you want to record your keyboard’s sounds you’ll need to use something like this / ruclips.net/video/Dbz8sxuy5X0/видео.html
Hey Pete it’s Carlos. I found one on eBay right now but my question is. Can this be used with no batteries or power supplies or be connected to the computer? Basically just use it outside anywhere? Or It Hass to be connected to the wall?
@@PeteJohnsMusic Any tips on the proper order in which to plug them in? I’ve got a camera adapter plus usb hub then the cable to the keyboard. Do I swap out hub with headphone hub?
Pete Johns Would you be able to plug in a USB mic AND another mic/sound source via the 3.5mm input with having the iOS device recognize both mics with this?
Unfortunately not. Once a USB mic is plugged in, this replaces the audio input (and often the output), so a 3.5mm mic wouldn't work. For multiple mics, you really need an interface or mixer.
In your setup, can you also hear the output of the iPhone as well as the output of the keyboard? Will this hub allow me to hear BOTH the audio from an iPad AND the audio from a digital piano simultaneously? I would like to play along to you tube songs through headphones but currently cannot get audio from both instrument and iPad via the same connection.
It’s present in almost all of these cheaper devices. It’s why I suggest this is good for monitoring but not for true listening of mixing or mastering. You’ll likely need an actual audio interface for that ruclips.net/video/Sc-_LiuqiRA/видео.html
My best set of headphones have a USB connector and no other. What do I need to connect my USB headphones to my standalone music keyboard (Casio CT-X5000) -- uses a 1/4 headphone jack?
Hmmmm.... this is an interesting one? I haven’t ever tried to convert USB back to 3.5mm or 1/4”? USB connections are usually direct so you would need to convert through a mixer of perhaps one of the USB hub/sound cards? Something like his may help. I have one and will endeavour to try it out and let you know. ruclips.net/video/MEpidfMLUqI/видео.html
@@PeteJohnsMusic I watched this video -- too complicated -- as he has all different type devices than mine! Apple stuff too. I went out today and got some conventional headphones, $49. I tried my "USB Headphones" on my PC, and they don't work -- my system doesn't pop-up anything, so I'm assuming I need some quite-possibly-lost Driver Disk for these HP's -- which of course have almost no name on them. I asked the same Q at TheGuitarCenter today, they didn't know either and reiterated that I needed a Focusrite Scarlett 4i4 3rd Gen USB Recording Interface sound Card. I'll get that later after I see how my don't-have-it-yet Mixcraft DAW works with the CT-X5000. I still don't know if my keyboard Tones can be played by a DAW, or if I need DAW-tones. Guy gave me a tip on the "AlesisAir xpand2" achoustic-type DAW sounds for $100; or free with Alesis V25 MIDI KB for $89. More $$$$!
Yeah, alas every time you ask a question in a music store, the answer involves a significant chunk of change. They work on commission so I get it, but it can be frustrating. Maybe shoot me an email with your setup and any specific questions are we can work through it. Email address in the description of the video.
Assuming you’re going to record the keyboard into something like GarageBand....Will this allow you to hear the other tracks already recorded in GarageBand or is it just a ‘thru’ bypass that’s allows you to hear only the keyboard?
I asked this in another video of yours, can’t I just connect straight into my pa speaker/amp with an aux cord instead of the headphones to monitor my sound?
If your device has a headphone jack you won’t need this hub. And yes, it is just sending audio out as a stereo TRS signal from the 3.5mm jack so any headphones, stereo receiver or speaker will work just fine.
Pete Johns Awesome! I own a midi to lighting port cable I got off amazon, and I just purchased a lighting port & Aux splitter on amazon too cause my iPhone 8 Plus doesn’t have a aux input! Hopefully this works! Thank you!
I don’t believe so. USB mics replace the audio interface and act as the input and output. If you want two mics, you’ll need an audio interface or mixer.
Sorry it didn’t work for you. It does require a genuine Apple Lightning to USB 3 adapter as indicated and I mentioned in the video that the audio quality is not as good as actual audio interfaces like these - ruclips.net/video/Sc-_LiuqiRA/видео.html
Pete Johns I did use a Apple Camera Connection kit. I figured out a work around. Wearing earbuds (from iPad music source) underneath closed back headphones over them (from keyboard). 😎
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Check out this device and the Lightning to USB adapter here:
This version - amzn.to/2MuFU0V
Newer version - amzn.to/2SNOAk5
Lightning to USB 3 adapter - amzn.to/2OtI8Af
I just bought this device and cannot get it to work. Plug it in to the keyboard using the camera adaptor and the sound comes out of the keyboard. Plug my headphones in and they are loud and clear. What am I doing wrong?.
Spent a whole day, just to find this video! THANK YOU! SUBSCRIBED!
Awesome! Glad to hear it.
Thanks so much for finding this solution. This brings my days of searching to an end :) I have found dongles that have a 3.5mm jack and OTG USB-A ports, but a quirk of ios/lightning connector means that they can't be used simultaneously.
You’re very welcome my friend. I hope you get value from the other videos here on the channel and consider subscribing. 👍
WOW!! i didn;t think about that....just get a lightning to usb adapter, and then a cable for your midi device, and boom, you can monitor through garageband! thanks Pete!
Very welcome my friend.
Very helpful. Thank you! The other adapters I tried didn’t work at all, other stopped working after about 10 minutes. This one worked and I just played for 30 minutes!!
Awesome! Very glad to hear. Yes, I’ve been the guinea pig as I’ve also tried a heap of these.
This is just what I needed and thinking of the last couple of days!
Love it Emiel! Many folks are having this issue which is why I wanted to make this video.
Great to hear from you as always. 👍
Pete Johns At your service my friend!
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I’ve asked you this question once before n you answered perfectly but this is a nice visual explanation. Than you. Nice to know someone’s listening.
Haha! Yes, it was you and about 10 others asking me this question that inspired the video. I figured there is likely lots of people having the same issues.
Great video showing the setup. Following your previous answer to this question I’m awaiting mine arriving from the US.
Love Apple products, but WHY do they make it so difficult!
Thanks for all your help.
Haha! Yes, I agree. It wouldn’t be hard to have a headphone jack, or even for Apple to product a device like this. Sadly I would probably pay $30 to Apple for a genuine device that did this. 😕
Pete Johns USB Sound Hub just delivered to UK from Amazon US. Unboxed, plugged in and.........................
YES IT WORKS!!
I can now happily monitor my midi keyboard ramblings without destroying my marriage. 😂
Such a simple AND inexpensive workaround for an issue where Apple yet again failed.
Once again Pete..THANK YOU.
Fantastic! So glad to hear it worked out for you Ken. I can only go on my experience and while almost everyone I have recommended this to has had success, you never can quite 100% trust the quality of some of these imports. Glad you're sorted there!
Nice! I have the iRig Keys I/O which has a headphone bulit into it (but it is also a little bit of money) .This is a great option though!
Cheers. Yes, a lot of folks seem to have this issue so hopefully it helps.
Pete Johns definitely helps!
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Very helpful thanks
You’re very welcome my friend. I hope you get value from the other videos here on the channel and consider subscribing. 👍
I literally love you for this video
Thanks my friend. And I hope you get value from the other videos on the channel and consider subscribing if you haven’t already. 👍
Excellent tip!
Thank you my friend.
Very Insightful. Do you happen to know if this is also the case for an Icon ikeyboard 8x ?
Anything that uses general MIDI and is self powered will work with this sort of setup. Otherwise you might want to check out a more complete audio interface like the Steinberg UR22C or something he iRig Pro I/O series. studiolivetoday.com/gear
Life saver!! thanks!
You’re very welcome my friend. I hope you get value from the other videos here on the channel and consider subscribing. 👍
Hi Pete. Im glad that i can see this video. Can you help me this please.
Im new to piano. I have just bought rp107 and simply piano app to learn.
I tried midi bluetooth and headphone bluetooth but there are some delay when i press the keyboard.
I think with this setup the delay will be gone but i want to know if simply piano app can receive midi signal from this setup ?
Sorry if my English is bad.
Hello. Yes, using a wired setup like this will work much better than anything with Bluetooth or wireless setups.
@@PeteJohnsMusicI'm using a newer Ipad with no headphone jack, will the hub register both a midi input and headphones?
Hi I think this is just what I need. I have an iRig Mini and an iPhone Se3 and a batery Roland Cube Amp. Will this work with my set up? and if so, where can I get 1 in New Zealand? Thank you so much. From Diane
Hey Diane. Yeah it should help you out. Though the quality is not as good as an audio interface. EBay is your best bet for these from our side of the world.
Well, not surprisingly, 4 years later, the device you recommend is no longer available. Have you found any newer ones recently? I'm hoping to be able to connect my midi keyboard, my wired 3.5mm headphones, AND (if possible) a charger so I can use this in a studio environment (so my battery doesn't go dead.) Thanks for any help.
Check out the links here. studiolivetoday.com/usb
Can you plug an electric acoustic guitar into the input of this hub using a 1/4 to 1/8 trs adapter?
You can, but you won’t get very good quality. I would recommend using an iRig. studiolivetoday.com/gear
Hi Pete, how are you? I have been following your channel since very long. Since it is 2024 can you suggest a MIDI keyboard which I can connect to my USB c iPhone and monitor it with a headphone ?
I still find the M-Audio KeyStation range the best value and performance. ruclips.net/user/liveTABDDjDupFQ?si=xkLF0VOGR4t02rOe
@ thankyou for the reply! Was not expecting it. Wishing you and your family Merry Christmas and a happy New Year!
Your voice always sound so much higher in older videos 😂
Haha! Yes. As I learned more about public speaking I realised that I was too fast and pitched my voice too high. Before each recording I tend to say to myself “slow... and low”. 😄
Great information Pete. Love your videos! This question is a little off the subject but I figure if anyone can answer it’s you. I have a new iPad 12 inchPro with the usb-c but it won’t recognize my usb mic. I’ve tried pluging straight in and using a powered hub. It lights up both ways but won’t connect. Any thoughts? The mic is a Samsun G-track pro
Hmmmm..... that’s odd. I don’t have an iPad Pro myself but have heard from others that you can just convert from USB-C to USB using pretty much any adapter and it should work.
The folks at Samson are pretty good so perhaps check in with them. There are also great Facebook groups that have folks who may have ideas - iPad Musician and GarageBand Users.
Pete Johns ... Thank you Pete for getting back to me. I’ll keep on trying.... maybe I’m doing something wrong. But it all works great on my iPhone with the lightning connector, so it’s odd , anyway,Thanks again.
Very odd indeed. Let me know how you get on and we can reach out to the communities on Facebook if you can't get is solved.
Are there any more compact alternatives for ipads with type-c nowadays?
Yes. Now that we have USB-C there’s a whole heap of useable adapters and hubs. This is a good one. ruclips.net/video/WprzVbqzGsQ/видео.html
Nice. Can use it as a charger for Apple devine? Blessings Pete.
Howdy. No, unfortunately doesn’t supply any power. You can get a version that has an optional power input, but most are non-powered.
Can you use the usb outs for a usb mic too? Blue yeti?
Great video btw!
I have tried my Samson Meteor and it seemed to work okay but you’d probably run low on power for too many devices and need a powered hub. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Very cool! I currently run a USB microphone to my MacBook Pro, running GarageBand. The microphone has a headphone jack for monitoring. I can monitor perfectly fine when my microphone is plugged into my iPhone. However, monitoring doesn't work this way if I'm plugged into my MacBook Pro. Would I need to plug headphones into my MBP (via Lighting adapter) to monitor what's being recorded? Thanks again for the huge catalog of knowledge. Love the content!
Oh really? I’m not super close to the Mac world I’m afraid. I would have thought it would be the same and you could monitor through the headphone jack still?
@@PeteJohnsMusic I'll investigate further--and let you know. I'm using the Samson Q2U for some saxophone work. Love this thing!
I’ve heard good things about those. Should probably pick one up.
Great video! Does it affect latency?
Any digital connection will add some latency, but I haven’t noticed significant latency with this one.
Will this setup also charge the device or power the midi controller with a charging cable connected or will it be stuck drawing power from the phone? Or iPad?
You’ll need the genuine Apple Lightning to USB 3 adapter if you want to power your device at the same time. ruclips.net/video/qt6ZczdUdV4/видео.html
This doubt is killing me can i use a p2 aux keyboard and turn it into midi? and use stereo without headphones
Hey there. I cover everything about MIDI on this one. ruclips.net/video/W4MFXbxtPMg/видео.html
@@PeteJohnsMusic what i want is just change the audio of my keyboard because it's too bad and i want to know if you can change it through the aux input or the mic input because it's old, is there any way?
Not quite sure I follow you sorry? If you want to record your keyboard’s sounds you’ll need to use something like this / ruclips.net/video/Dbz8sxuy5X0/видео.html
How come my headphone jack adapter with my usb adaptor won't monitor through my headphones? What am I missing?
Maybe you’re not using a genuine Apple Lightning to USB 3 adapter? studiolivetoday.com/usb
I have an iMac and the hub is for windows only. Any sugestion ? Thanks
Sorry, I only use PC and iOS. Perhaps someone else has some suggestions?
Can the sound come out from the keyboard instead of just the headphone without a mixer? Tks
Nope. Unless the keyboard you’re using has an audio interface built in it will okay from whatever default audio device is connected.
@@PeteJohnsMusic hi so I need to get a simple audio interface to do it? Tks
My keyboard is PXS 1000 Casio
Hey Pete it’s Carlos. I found one on eBay right now but my question is. Can this be used with no batteries or power supplies or be connected to the computer? Basically just use it outside anywhere? Or It Hass to be connected to the wall?
Hey there. These do not need power. Some models have an optional AC input but not required, unless the device you are plugging in needs more power.
Can I use this for monitoring with the set up used for the AKAI MPKmini? If so would it just replace the USB hub?
Hey there. Yes, it does indeed does everything you’d need apart from power up your devices, which is why I still use a powered USB hub.
@@PeteJohnsMusic Any tips on the proper order in which to plug them in? I’ve got a camera adapter plus usb hub then the cable to the keyboard. Do I swap out hub with headphone hub?
Hi, how can I connect my bluetooth headphone to my midi instrument? Thanks :)
I don’t think this is generally possible. And not recommended due to the latency created by Bluetooth.
So is that like an interface? You can record with that also?
I haven’t actually tried plugging a mic in to the mic input. I can’t imagine it would be great quality, but I might give it a test run soon.
Pete Johns
Would you be able to plug in a USB mic AND another mic/sound source via the 3.5mm input with having the iOS device recognize both mics with this?
Unfortunately not. Once a USB mic is plugged in, this replaces the audio input (and often the output), so a 3.5mm mic wouldn't work. For multiple mics, you really need an interface or mixer.
In your setup, can you also hear the output of the iPhone as well as the output of the keyboard? Will this hub allow me to hear BOTH the audio from an iPad AND the audio from a digital piano simultaneously? I would like to play along to you tube songs through headphones but currently cannot get audio from both instrument and iPad via the same connection.
Yup. It will provide monitoring for any audio you are playing back through your device.
Pete Johns ok thanks. I will get it and give it a try thank you.
Hey man! just ordered the usb sound hub, but i noticed there is a static noise whatever headphones i use, do you have a solution to this? Thanks!
It’s present in almost all of these cheaper devices. It’s why I suggest this is good for monitoring but not for true listening of mixing or mastering. You’ll likely need an actual audio interface for that ruclips.net/video/Sc-_LiuqiRA/видео.html
I see, thanks for the info man! Will definitely save to buy one soon
My best set of headphones have a USB connector and no other. What do I need to connect my USB headphones to my standalone music keyboard (Casio CT-X5000) -- uses a 1/4 headphone jack?
Hmmmm.... this is an interesting one? I haven’t ever tried to convert USB back to 3.5mm or 1/4”? USB connections are usually direct so you would need to convert through a mixer of perhaps one of the USB hub/sound cards? Something like his may help. I have one and will endeavour to try it out and let you know.
ruclips.net/video/MEpidfMLUqI/видео.html
@@PeteJohnsMusic I watched this video -- too complicated -- as he has all different type devices than mine! Apple stuff too. I went out today and got some conventional headphones, $49. I tried my "USB Headphones" on my PC, and they don't work -- my system doesn't pop-up anything, so I'm assuming I need some quite-possibly-lost Driver Disk for these HP's -- which of course have almost no name on them.
I asked the same Q at TheGuitarCenter today, they didn't know either and reiterated that I needed a Focusrite Scarlett 4i4 3rd Gen USB Recording Interface sound Card. I'll get that later after I see how my don't-have-it-yet Mixcraft DAW works with the CT-X5000.
I still don't know if my keyboard Tones can be played by a DAW, or if I need DAW-tones.
Guy gave me a tip on the "AlesisAir xpand2" achoustic-type DAW sounds for $100; or free with Alesis V25 MIDI KB for $89. More $$$$!
Yeah, alas every time you ask a question in a music store, the answer involves a significant chunk of change. They work on commission so I get it, but it can be frustrating. Maybe shoot me an email with your setup and any specific questions are we can work through it. Email address in the description of the video.
Can this soundcard hub work as a standalone without the phone? Just using the headphone to monitor the midi without the phone.
Does it work with an auxiliary cord plugged into a stereo??
Yes, you can use the headphone output to send a stereo signal to a speaker or stereo if you wish.
Pete Johns thank you man!!
Any time. 👍
Assuming you’re going to record the keyboard into something like GarageBand....Will this allow you to hear the other tracks already recorded in GarageBand or is it just a ‘thru’ bypass that’s allows you to hear only the keyboard?
Yes, it lets you monitor any other audio playing on your device as it replaces the audio input and output. 👍
Pete Johns Awesome thanks! Love your GarageBand tutorials by the way!
Cheers Jay. Thanks fro your support.
Can for condenser mic bm800?
You would need an Apple Lightning to USB 3 adapter for a USB mic - ruclips.net/video/b0O7zrXLkrc/видео.html
The “newer” version you suggest in Amazon is ok for Mac but it has only two imputs for mics
Yes, it does have two instead of three 3.5mm jacks.
I asked this in another video of yours, can’t I just connect straight into my pa speaker/amp with an aux cord instead of the headphones to monitor my sound?
If your device has a headphone jack you won’t need this hub. And yes, it is just sending audio out as a stereo TRS signal from the 3.5mm jack so any headphones, stereo receiver or speaker will work just fine.
Pete Johns Awesome! I own a midi to lighting port cable I got off amazon, and I just purchased a lighting port & Aux splitter on amazon too cause my iPhone 8 Plus doesn’t have a aux input! Hopefully this works! Thank you!
I am sorry dude.. but your accent reminds me “Barry Kripke” from TBBT
Why are you sorry? That's not a bad thing is it? That dude is cool. And probably getting big fat residual cheques every month from that show too. :D
Would you be able to plug in a USB mic AND another mic/sound source via the 3.5mm input with having the iOS device recognize both mics with this?
I don’t believe so. USB mics replace the audio interface and act as the input and output. If you want two mics, you’ll need an audio interface or mixer.
Sorry to report the device does not work as advertised. And also it is junk, poorly manufactured.
Sorry it didn’t work for you. It does require a genuine Apple Lightning to USB 3 adapter as indicated and I mentioned in the video that the audio quality is not as good as actual audio interfaces like these - ruclips.net/video/Sc-_LiuqiRA/видео.html
Pete Johns I did use a Apple Camera Connection kit. I figured out a work around. Wearing earbuds (from iPad music source) underneath closed back headphones over them (from keyboard). 😎
Nice. Can use it as a charger for Apple devine? Blessings Pete.
I don't believe so sorry.
Nice. Can use it as a charger for Apple devine? Blessings Pete.
I don't believe so sorry.