Credit Card Counterfeiter interview-John Boseak

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @spacewombat6174
    @spacewombat6174 3 года назад +571

    It amazes me how many of these people start off by saying they had fairly good childhoods. Mark digs a bit deeper and it comes out that they have had no decent role models and have been incarcerated from a very young age.
    I will never complain about my childhood ever again.

    • @ryansack5198
      @ryansack5198 3 года назад +20

      Right? It gives a perspective on distorted "normal" is for a lot of people. When everyone around you when you grow up is fucked up and you're situation is a little less fucked up then that's "good". Sad.

    • @Oogtug
      @Oogtug 3 года назад +4

      @@ryansack5198 Most of them are just trying to not talk about it at first.

    • @debbi9880
      @debbi9880 3 года назад +4

      He CHOSE to do the behavior he did. I am CERTAIN that, at least, in school he was taught right from wrong.

    • @debbi9880
      @debbi9880 3 года назад +3

      @Frank Caltabiano It angers me that he wrote a book and people are paying money for his bs.

    • @ApathyBM
      @ApathyBM 3 года назад

      He was probably thinking about before 10, not when he was living on the street

  • @jonfitforbattle
    @jonfitforbattle 3 года назад +470

    I feel like this guy should've called his attorney before agreeing to this interview

    • @thinkforyourself101
      @thinkforyourself101 3 года назад +41

      hes too clever for that

    • @dredog710
      @dredog710 3 года назад +8

      @Mico Radovic you said that already

    • @joshuavanhee4844
      @joshuavanhee4844 3 года назад +4

      @Mico Radovic you know this dude? I kinda had the vibe there's more to the story...

    • @radiantrenee406
      @radiantrenee406 3 года назад +1

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @catasrophieGrrl
      @catasrophieGrrl 3 года назад +28

      He's already done the time so he can speak about it.

  • @Noonecares3203
    @Noonecares3203 3 года назад +1171

    It’s hard for me to have sympathy for this guy. I was the victim of credit card theft and being a single mom, it almost ruined me .....it took forever for me to get it straightened out. It ruins your credit( and I had excellent credit) and basically your life for a long time. And I busted my ass working 3 jobs to make ends meet. I hope he realizes how his actions can really hurt someone and in my case, my child as well. He may not have been the one to hack, but he was on the receiving end and he’s still guilty.

    • @jovanblom7742
      @jovanblom7742 3 года назад +113

      We'll all answer for all the harm we've caused oneday. He says he has no regrets - his regrets are still coming...

    • @kpeezyforsheezy
      @kpeezyforsheezy 3 года назад +66

      FDIC didn’t cover it?

    • @Johnboseak
      @Johnboseak 3 года назад +98

      I definitely feel bad for anything that I’ve done to cause anyone any kind of pain in their lives. I’m not an animal. I spend my days now trying to help as many people as I possibly can.

    • @Johnboseak
      @Johnboseak 3 года назад +60

      @Jose Guapo It’s easy to call someone a POS when you have no idea what they’ve been through in their life or what kind of background they come from.

    • @HibernusMortis1
      @HibernusMortis1 3 года назад +62

      I check all my accts every day or every other day. Back in Feb of this year had 20 transactions of 75.29 out of a liquor store in Mexico ( I live in NJ) total of about 1500 taken from my MC. Bank fixed it in less then a week. Constantly keep tabs of all your accts and catch any fraud early is the key, even if not using them, always check!

  • @Nicallica11
    @Nicallica11 3 года назад +76

    These interviews with hackers, con artists, scammers, mobsters etc are my favorite videos

    • @miss.fuckyouropinion7062
      @miss.fuckyouropinion7062 2 года назад +2

      same. lol this guy is the most interesting guy thus far. even the way he tells his story and mind process is so intriguing

  • @KoldAsHell
    @KoldAsHell Год назад +2

    Powerful messages. The end had me rethinking some parts of my life ngl

  • @kindachill
    @kindachill 3 года назад +233

    I’m watching these as I get ready each morning, thanks for uploading new ones constantly, this channel MUST GO ON!!

  • @Everybody_Say_Love
    @Everybody_Say_Love 3 года назад +640

    Anyone notice how well Mark knows his US geography. He knows almost every town.

    • @adamtschmidt4303
      @adamtschmidt4303 3 года назад +38

      Well on a concrete klips interview he said he travels a lot and finds small towns like in Kentucky there is a town called hellsforcertain.

    • @annieseaside
      @annieseaside 3 года назад +49

      In his book “Created Equal” he went to all 48 contiguous States to do portraits of regular people.

    • @gordythecreator
      @gordythecreator 3 года назад +4

      There's unlimited storage in his head. Anywhere him or i goes, gets pictures filed away. Just tricky locating everything, and communicating it

    • @diddleytwot4901
      @diddleytwot4901 3 года назад +20

      @@illegalsmirf I'll stay in New Zealand and watch that silly country from afar

    • @dannipuckeridge6847
      @dannipuckeridge6847 3 года назад +2

      well he is american after all

  • @tsunamichaserhh9674
    @tsunamichaserhh9674 3 года назад +277

    Rob Dyrdek needs to get his life back in order. This is sad.

    • @chicofromph33nix64
      @chicofromph33nix64 3 года назад +11

      After the loss of BIG(r.i.p.),he spiraled out of control.... poor feller!😥

    • @katlocke4239
      @katlocke4239 3 года назад +2

      funny

    • @michaelmarino4836
      @michaelmarino4836 3 года назад

      Thought the same thing hahah

    • @MrBlack252
      @MrBlack252 3 года назад +5

      Damn! You beat me to it! Now I gotta delete my comment! Hahah fair play

    • @Realizinq
      @Realizinq 3 года назад

      😂😂😂

  • @laurenpatrick3041
    @laurenpatrick3041 4 месяца назад +2

    That was a beautiful portrait you took of John Bozeak. Pure art.

  • @Alien-Earth1
    @Alien-Earth1 3 года назад +10

    That is a harsh reality that people do not regret the hurt they have caused others. Remember that as you go through life.

    • @BonnieHansen-w6l
      @BonnieHansen-w6l 2 месяца назад +2

      Exactly! They ruin people's lives but just don't care.

  • @mhystro1
    @mhystro1 3 года назад +2114

    “It’s just what I do...I mean did” 😂

    • @alicebarclay
      @alicebarclay 3 года назад +62

      hahah I caught that too...

    • @blacktidelures7067
      @blacktidelures7067 3 года назад +75

      Some people never learn lol

    • @rainystormcloud7499
      @rainystormcloud7499 3 года назад +10

      @@blacktidelures7067 🎯

    • @FranzVonGaart
      @FranzVonGaart 3 года назад +91

      I would bet anything that he still does it. After he talked about how much money he made and the subtle look of pride in his face you could tell he wasn't done making that kinda money.

    • @marcusholtzheimer9316
      @marcusholtzheimer9316 3 года назад +83

      “Full time artist” “I’m a ghost if I wanna be” yeahhh he still on it

  • @johnnytruck2009
    @johnnytruck2009 3 года назад +344

    People's journey in life fascinate me. I love hearing their stories. Great job Mark!

    • @ceceroxy2227
      @ceceroxy2227 2 года назад +1

      It is fascinating how each person's life goes in these different directions.

    • @drn13355
      @drn13355 2 года назад

      He is a criminal and thief. And he would steal from you and your family.

    • @johnnytruck2009
      @johnnytruck2009 2 года назад

      @@drn13355 We are all criminals and thief's with a story to tell. It's about the journey. Listen and learn.

  • @ChevieBaby
    @ChevieBaby 3 года назад +116

    Not too encourage crime or fraud but the key word he said was he didn’t involve other sets of eyes, he did it solo. When u tell ppl your business that’s opening multiple doors to get caught. I never understood criminals that would do dirt and crimes with an entourage!

    • @yamomma6479
      @yamomma6479 3 года назад +1

      Oh so you don't post the money you made on Instagram? 😆

    • @ac-cd6hd
      @ac-cd6hd 3 года назад +1

      @@yamomma6479 Nope.

    • @crookedchaos253
      @crookedchaos253 3 года назад +1

      Sayyyy it again

    • @sweetness1586
      @sweetness1586 3 года назад +2

      true cos when u get sooo popular in an underground bussiness u become huge and need help and thats when hell hits soo true ! better to stay average and solo !!

    • @Niko-bf7nw
      @Niko-bf7nw 3 года назад +1

      Connections are important together you are stronger

  • @Cathomis
    @Cathomis 2 года назад +1

    I love when people say I don’t have any regrets. It made me who I am. Riiiiight and you’re just super happy with how you turned out.

  • @michaelscrilla125
    @michaelscrilla125 3 года назад +43

    Damn that's crazy the UPS owner would violate a good customer's trust like that.

    • @ayejay4028
      @ayejay4028 3 года назад +1

      I was thinking that, isnt that illegal, i think thats why he didnt get arrested,there was no probable cause

    • @Petersonmgee
      @Petersonmgee 3 года назад +1

      NEVER use UPS or FedEx

    • @Petersonmgee
      @Petersonmgee 3 года назад +1

      @@ayejay4028 Never use those companies. USPS is federal and actually need a warrant to open your package.

    • @haydendavis953
      @haydendavis953 3 года назад

      People's profession has nothing to do with there Character..... There's Cops that rape women, just an example.

  • @mcm4point2o
    @mcm4point2o 3 года назад +225

    thumbnail look like Rob Dyrdek really hit a rough patch when Big passed..

    • @m.g.3913
      @m.g.3913 3 года назад +3

      Hahaha, i was thinking he reminded me of someone but i couldn't quite put my finger on it.

    • @megangriffith9630
      @megangriffith9630 3 года назад +1

      I was about to write the same thing

    • @Herb_St
      @Herb_St 3 года назад +1

      I was about to say the same lol

    • @sistershrek3602
      @sistershrek3602 3 года назад +1

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @sjc7773
      @sjc7773 3 года назад +1

      I was trying to think who he looked like, thank's. Lol.

  • @johncena04101
    @johncena04101 3 года назад +167

    Glad he's honest about not regretting being a part of stealing money from people. Mark should have asked him how someone can avoid being a victim of someone like him.

    • @gordythecreator
      @gordythecreator 3 года назад +1

      He needs taught how to control & focus. If you know anybody like us, you can teach them. They have to make mistakes safely, in order to learn. Supervision, so they don't trample you average ppl

    • @powarless
      @powarless 3 года назад +8

      I think Vice did an interview with someone who was doing this. The justification was the banks end up being the ones on the hook. They said most of the time, the banks get people taken care of. That person also seemed to be quite happy thinking they were dealing a blow to big banks.

    • @JBrizbn
      @JBrizbn 3 года назад +9

      Sub accounts.
      You keep all your funds in a sub account then transfer really close to the time you’ll buy.
      Expensive items I literally transfer at the counter while I’m with the teller 👌

    • @powarless
      @powarless 3 года назад +2

      @@JBrizbn Yeah, I live my life one transfer at a time, but thats because I'm broke and if I don't check before a purchase I'll likely overdraft my account....

    • @JBrizbn
      @JBrizbn 3 года назад +5

      @@powarless Sorry to hear that brother. I hope your financial situation improves. I’ve been scammed before on my card so that’s why I recommend this procedure.
      Just trying to look out for peeps.
      Peace bro

  • @chrisdrew1427
    @chrisdrew1427 3 года назад +315

    I hope he went back and thanked the old guy at the UPS store for opening that package 😂

    • @brookefossett1026
      @brookefossett1026 3 года назад +1

      P

    • @msuhurdme
      @msuhurdme 3 года назад +2

      😂👍🏿

    • @taht5467
      @taht5467 3 года назад +20

      Nosey ass old people!

    • @paigesowell8651
      @paigesowell8651 3 года назад +27

      He lied about that part. In other interviews he goes in detail about how he snitched to avoid prison lmao.

    • @mikehunter4280
      @mikehunter4280 3 года назад +1

      @@paigesowell8651 link?

  • @marcsmith2656
    @marcsmith2656 3 года назад +3

    Several months ago almost a year this video and the Mathew Cox interview played back to back. Instant hook for the channel. Keep coming back excited to see the work marc puts in on a daily basis

  • @mariavila8857
    @mariavila8857 2 года назад +9

    This guy is a legend in his own mind. But thanks for the interview.

    • @anthonymangino9662
      @anthonymangino9662 2 года назад

      Indeed, the people that champion him are moron's. This goes to show how easy it is to seduce a society of people, who are wired to be "blind consumer's.

    • @michaelheery3085
      @michaelheery3085 Год назад

      he look Nazi

    • @judyedwards7144
      @judyedwards7144 7 месяцев назад

      Nope, he’s for real 😳

  • @sheepnomore8063
    @sheepnomore8063 3 года назад +56

    Wow. My husband and I have always wondered how our credit card info was compromised. This totally explained it! Loved this change of theme in the interviews.

    • @sheepnomore8063
      @sheepnomore8063 3 года назад

      @Jared Lee That's what my Grandma does.

    • @skyebentley
      @skyebentley 2 года назад

      lol dont use credit cards lol.

  • @adrianaramos4471
    @adrianaramos4471 3 года назад +14

    You were “trouble maker “. I was a “troubled youth”. Good for him for reframing that statement .

  • @beyondobsession1
    @beyondobsession1 3 года назад +199

    "so you're not doing anything that's illegal or going to get you in trouble now?..." *looks to the side, smirks, winks* "no no no no...nothing like that" lol I think you got too comfortable again.

    • @Jack-goff
      @Jack-goff 3 года назад +5

      I caught that lil body language tell, too. Almost shaking his head In confirmation while saying no

    • @kysshawty2900menacethermal
      @kysshawty2900menacethermal 3 года назад +8

      or he was joking 🤡🤡🤡

    • @CuarentaZ40
      @CuarentaZ40 3 года назад

      Timestamp

    • @FrancisMayo
      @FrancisMayo 3 года назад

      @@CuarentaZ40 26:38

    • @joshuavanhee4844
      @joshuavanhee4844 3 года назад +2

      @@kysshawty2900menacethermal nope that was a dead obvious subconscious reaction to the question. Leaning back, smiling, slight chuckle all defense mechanisms, he rubs his leg indicating restlessness or slight panic. All huge tells...

  • @JFKilluminati662
    @JFKilluminati662 3 года назад +101

    “We’re on Instagram everyday in constant contact” Father of the year lol

  • @BWillin2
    @BWillin2 3 года назад +5

    This is my favorite new channel on RUclips. I love the way this channel takes you into a deep dark side/ reality of America and everyday people doing things to survive what the average person will deem crooked

  • @somuchluv89
    @somuchluv89 3 года назад +87

    The sad part is his life could have been really different if he had used that $60k income to pay off his debt instead of having a nice place and car. He would have come out of that job with money to live on instead of drowning trying to pay his rent and car and student debt.

    • @doovie101
      @doovie101 3 года назад +1

      I was JUST thinking the same thing.

    • @yankeejumbo
      @yankeejumbo 3 года назад +3

      it was probably a lot more than 60k in debt

    • @Jack-goff
      @Jack-goff 3 года назад +13

      You can’t envision those circumstances. He’s fresh out of college with a cool job, he was on cruise control then life threw him a curveball. It has happened to all of us.

    • @Shootorgetshot1st
      @Shootorgetshot1st 3 года назад +1

      Where u want him to live then lol I see what u mean what only so much u can do on ur own u can’t pay off everything and live in ur own place in one shot unless he would be taking more risks and more fraud to make more
      Money but that just means more jail time

    • @breajabruce
      @breajabruce 3 года назад

      i know, i kinda wanted to know and wanted mark to ask if he did anything with all that money... bought a house/car, put some aside in savings for his kids, took any vacations... like did you do anything worthwhile with all that or did you just nickle and dime it away? do you have anything to show for it today?

  • @AnthonyLiccione
    @AnthonyLiccione 3 года назад +164

    As we speak, Mark is artistically missing $10,000 in funds.. but he doesn't know it.

  • @macleodfoto
    @macleodfoto 3 года назад +13

    So Glad I found this channel, its amazing, thanks , as a photographer i love your portraits and it so refreshing that you don't blast these beautiful people with filters, as much as i try to tell people I am shooting that they are perfect the way they are, it seems that we live in a society in which we have forgotten to love ourselves for who and what we are and as such to appreciate all the happiness and sadness that brought us to this moment. These videos are loved by so many as they show the realness of life..many thanks for your hard work

  • @valeriestevens5440
    @valeriestevens5440 3 года назад +8

    As someone who has very little but has had their one credit card stolen electronically MANY times - RAGE. I feel RAGE. EDIT to add: Single mom putting kid thru college. Worked THREE jobs to put myself thru college. Ive been working overtime on the pandemic for over a year now, unpaid because you save people as a CALLING not for the money, and I hope this guy and those like him realize we all control how we react to hard circumstances. I was left for broke by my ex, literally buying a bag of sale potatos so my kid could eat, telling her I wasn't hungry. I worked my way out of that and back to my career. I don't make a lot of money and I put a lot towards my kids education. I get zero help with her and shes a great kid. Her reaction to her trials has been to get a 4.0 in college and work two jobs. When our ONE credit card gets stolen and all our auto pay bills bounce - SHAME on you for stealing from us. Its NOT harmless. Banks are not the Red Cross - what they lose, they pass on to those of us struggling in the way of high interest rates. You REALLY HURT people as much as stabbing them when you steal their only sense of security.

    • @philinn4788
      @philinn4788 3 года назад +5

      your poor choices led to you being a single mum, be better.

    • @Briansammo
      @Briansammo Год назад

      @@philinn4788 A Deadbeat Dad is a Thing, you know. What she is saying, is this churning out of cards, to be used to defraud folks, hurts the people who get by, using their cards to make ends meet. If that same victim only has that one viable card, then you're extra fooked. Used to be, the Bank would do a fraud alert, replace the card (average time of arrival = 2 weeks) and almost instantly credit the money back to your account...now, they make you wait 10 days for the return of funds. If you're financially embarrassed, that is a hard spot to end up in.

    • @Doidao-xx5vf
      @Doidao-xx5vf 5 месяцев назад

      @@philinn4788looool savage. The credit card shit I have sympathy for her cus yes that sucks and people that do that are cowards. The single mother thing, that’s on her 😂😂

  • @theprotagonist2008
    @theprotagonist2008 3 года назад

    I was so glued on to his story. Dude is smart and wise and in touch with who he is. I kind of see a lot of myself in him. I saw the thumbnail and prejudged what I was gonna get fro this interview.

  • @dizmop
    @dizmop 3 года назад +120

    This is one of the first people I've heard who accepts the influence of MTV and contemporary youth culture in general, the Hip hop videos I saw acted as a lens to a constructed reality that I partly bought into as a young person. This young generation has a tough job in navigating modern culture, they have my sympathy

    • @saudigold50
      @saudigold50 3 года назад +6

      Aptly said.

    • @nikolai3277
      @nikolai3277 3 года назад +14

      Agreed. I also think this new generation of kids are going to end up even more brainwashed and looking like this guy..with tattoos everywhere. We will just see a bunch of younger adults looking the same with a bunch of scribbles all over them while they are trying to look “different”
      I weep for the future.

    • @marylougeorge9890
      @marylougeorge9890 3 года назад +1

      I believe the underlying cause has always been the desire for control/power. What do young kids want? To grow up, to be an adult so they can have power or control over their world.

    • @april1778
      @april1778 3 года назад +10

      White people will blame everyone else but themselves. So ridiculous.

    • @dizmop
      @dizmop 3 года назад +1

      @@marylougeorge9890 they also want to fit in.....

  • @AnnaPxx
    @AnnaPxx 3 года назад +326

    "I'm not a hacker, I'm a counterfeiter... I'm an artist". Let's be clear here 😂👍🏼

    • @andrewmortellarosr.5741
      @andrewmortellarosr.5741 3 года назад +8

      Straight up though...

    • @annaxefta587
      @annaxefta587 3 года назад +2

      There is a difference?? Durr

    • @shopece8807
      @shopece8807 3 года назад +15

      It's like when a hooker/prostitute wants to be called a courtesan or escort or companion instead. Same difference.

    • @shopece8807
      @shopece8807 3 года назад +5

      @@annaxefta587 all sides of the same coin lol. Like...exactly.

    • @gabiduncan18
      @gabiduncan18 3 года назад +3

      That's some circular logic right there

  • @baunax
    @baunax 3 года назад +185

    Well spoken, clear minded, clever. The prototype of a white-collar criminal.

    • @lizbetpcb3759
      @lizbetpcb3759 3 года назад +22

      And a sociopath. That’s it, no shining that up.

    • @KazingaD
      @KazingaD 3 года назад +2

      a different life, maybe

    • @petkotzvetkov6528
      @petkotzvetkov6528 3 года назад +2

      @@lizbetpcb3759 I agree.

    • @rustyshack1707
      @rustyshack1707 3 года назад +14

      *Archetype is the word you're looking for

    • @GuitarNTheCar
      @GuitarNTheCar 3 года назад +2

      You left out greedy.

  • @randomguy6509
    @randomguy6509 3 года назад +2

    As a native born south Floridian at 34 years old I shit you not you couldn’t believe how many people grow up like this down there. Crime is literally everywhere in every neighborhood on every corner. Like he said in the right place at the right time, so many people I grew up with have that same story right place right time and “just figured it out” it’s a different country down there I can’t even explain it.

  • @Red_1976
    @Red_1976 3 года назад +33

    I had my card ripped off first time £30, second time at a different location £3000, then third time £16,000 (UK Pounds)..! All in one day!!!
    One of the most stressful situations ever. Needless to say after it was sorted out, I no longer have a credit card. People like this guy has destroyed peoples lives! He has no idea the effects this has on people. Thankfully my bank realised I don’t spend like this and eventually reimbursed the debt but until that point it was the most disruptive and stressful time. What an a-hole.

    • @vflytrap7158
      @vflytrap7158 3 года назад

      @Red76 it’s great you were able to get reimbursed in the end, though credit card fraud is why our interest rates are so high. We all pay for this type of crime in the end.

    • @bawlz1234
      @bawlz1234 2 года назад

      I used to do this shit and I know where the cards come from. You have to be an idiot to get your info stolen even once

    • @WaldoBagelTopper
      @WaldoBagelTopper 2 года назад +3

      He knows very well what he does to peoples lives. He doesn’t care. It suits his needs, as selfish as they are.

    • @craigmills6275
      @craigmills6275 2 года назад +2

      He knows exactly what he does to peoples lives. He doesn’t give a fuck about anybody.

  • @joejarrell2578
    @joejarrell2578 3 года назад +18

    Speaking of MTV... I remember watching TV as a young kid with my sisters the first day MTV ever came on.......

    • @beemonique8466
      @beemonique8466 3 года назад +1

      So so I, Which was in the 80s.
      VH1 was my favorite

  • @kimdburns
    @kimdburns 3 года назад +44

    "I didn't have a bad childhood" vs "I was incarcerated from 13-19" I think there's a disconnect. Very interesting story.

    • @thedetailshopstl
      @thedetailshopstl 3 года назад +5

      He is nothing but a major bullshitter

    • @paulweston2246
      @paulweston2246 3 года назад +4

      Yeah, claimed he had a good childhood and graduated with honours but then claims he was incarcerated 11months of every year from 12yrs old onwards

    • @briankennedy1313
      @briankennedy1313 3 года назад +2

      “Childhood” as in “child” maybe? See since calling anyone under the age of 20 a child is a little vague, they actually created a word to specifically identify someone in their teens; “teenager”. I’m aware this may be college level vocabulary for some states curriculum. So to recap, and as he specifically stated 13-19, I’m thinking he meant what he said, and it made perfect sense. I know the need to make needless corrections on RUclips texts, but try to make sure you’re not be one with the disconnect.

    • @kimdburns
      @kimdburns 3 года назад +1

      @@briankennedy1313 he didn’t internally self combust at 13. His childhood dynamics is what led him to trouble.

    • @brandoncrosby6238
      @brandoncrosby6238 3 года назад +1

      It sounds like when he says a kid he meant 12 or younger. Sometimes you consider yourself an adult at young ages because of your situation.

  • @imalright2837
    @imalright2837 3 года назад +258

    Yeah he’s well spoken and all that, but that lack of remorse especially after me personally seeing the hurt in my mother getting her hard earned money stolen makes me hope this guy gets everything taken from him right at the moment he feels like he made it life. I can only imagine how many lives he ruined doing this scumbag shit.

    • @annieseaside
      @annieseaside 3 года назад +7

      I’m so terribly sorry that happened. I am genuinely surprised the Visa or Mastercard company did not reimburse her card. They always have done on mine.

    • @brandonstephens1447
      @brandonstephens1447 3 года назад +27

      Thank you! Reading all these comments from people who are praising this thief while I’m sitting here thinking what a piece of shit and he has the balls to sit there and say he has no remorse! 🤯 He’s obviously never worked hard to earn his money. His RUclips channel “is his life” and with only 1500 subscriber and a total of 25,000 views altogether, he’s either still conning to get by or still living off the money he stole from decent honest citizens. 😡 No way his channel is generating much income every month. Probably pennies. I guess it just pisses me so much bc I know how hard my wife and I work almost every week for our money and can’t imagine some dousche coming and taking it. I hope he experienced what that feels like one day. It’s the only thing that might make him realize how fucked it is to steal peoples savings. With no remorse, he must be a sociopath.

    • @chetchelios7614
      @chetchelios7614 3 года назад +5

      @@brandonstephens1447 hes one of those guys that's a pos, but for some reason good things happen to him

    • @MerkleAkrunphleuphle
      @MerkleAkrunphleuphle 3 года назад

      was it by a scammer over the phone?

    • @AntiPeoplePersons
      @AntiPeoplePersons 3 года назад +6

      @@annieseaside of course she got reimbursed that kids a winy underage child lol

  • @traviskeller3641
    @traviskeller3641 3 года назад +22

    He was just clever clever enough to get locked up multiple times. This guy is just happy that he finally has someone that'll just sit and nod their head to his story about how smart he is and clever because usually when he's being interviewed by someone they have a badge that says Internal Revenue Service or some other ABC agency.

  • @maskedninjagames2788
    @maskedninjagames2788 2 года назад +1

    The narrative growing up was always "Everyone is pretty much just like you!" .... now, years later, as I'm older and more, open to things..... I realize just how different we can all really be from each other!

  • @myerah7178
    @myerah7178 3 года назад +16

    That’s crazy that he’s from Mount Clemens. I live about an hour south, and credit card scamming is HUGE out here.

    • @ajack1312
      @ajack1312 3 года назад +5

      Yup Michigan got a huge scammer culture, it's crazy lol. Crackin cards and trading methods is it's own whole subculture. Here in Cali it was EDD scamming, we had people flying in from all over with bought identities from the darkweb to fraud that shit. It's crazy out there nowadays.

    • @jensenjohnson269
      @jensenjohnson269 3 года назад

      Ypsilanti here. Everybody stopped selling dope and started scamming, lol.

    • @ajack1312
      @ajack1312 3 года назад +1

      @@jensenjohnson269 I swear your state is number one for punchin and then they charged money and taught that shit to everyone else lmao

    • @pontificaterebal677
      @pontificaterebal677 3 года назад

      Yep. Live in Romeo myself...

  • @IINVICTA
    @IINVICTA 3 года назад +31

    This is one of the BEST interviews I have ever listened to from Mark.

    • @annaxefta587
      @annaxefta587 3 года назад +5

      Really?? U people need to get out more. Lol

    • @livingdead9318
      @livingdead9318 3 года назад +2

      @@annaxefta587 I agree. 10 minutes in and I just can’t watch anymore. This guy rubs me the wrong way. Maybe because I know he scammed so many people and ruined lives.

  • @519camdama
    @519camdama 3 года назад +44

    This was a fresh episode. I didnt want this to end.

  • @Dirandownthestreet
    @Dirandownthestreet 2 года назад +6

    Amazing interview. The ending of this interview was extremely insightful and helpful advice honestly. Thank you guys.

  • @mudskippa8958
    @mudskippa8958 Год назад +1

    The fact that this guy's standard for a good childhood is not having a parent that was an alcoholic or drug addict 😢

  • @AaronG72901
    @AaronG72901 3 года назад +17

    This was one of the best interviews yet. Thank you for the honest content Mark!

  • @skyking228
    @skyking228 3 года назад +30

    Sounds like we missed a good opportunity to get an AMEX Centurion Black Card... I wonder if he was offered a consulting gig to help track down other counterfeiters. Always interesting, thanks!

    • @mikemcdermott7760
      @mikemcdermott7760 3 года назад +2

      He could have earlier, but unless he is still involved, the technology of the scam has likely changed.

  • @missmandys7071
    @missmandys7071 3 года назад +8

    So happy about this interview ever since i heard him talk on the Koncrete podcast i became a fan

  • @munter10
    @munter10 3 года назад +3

    Nice, trustworthy, friendly guy, with really tasteful tattoos . . the girls must love him to bits!

  • @leahsapp2283
    @leahsapp2283 3 года назад +2

    One of the best of the probably almost hundreds I’ve watched! REAL.. RAW.. RELEVANT TO TODAY! Please don’t stop your AMAZING CONTENT!!! I can identify with so many and at times it helps more than you know!! Sooo much love! ❤️Leah-Tx

  • @missmandys7071
    @missmandys7071 3 года назад +26

    Also if you want more details about John cause he has some awesome stories!! There is a RUclips channel Koncrete podcast and they really go into details about all of it even his crazy relationship with his wife now ex. but it's really a great interview n great story.
    Also Mark the wonderful creator of this channel did a interview on the same podcast. Again it goes into depth about Mark and it's really nice to hear. You will have I believe a better understanding of Mark and Soft White underbelly!

    • @IncredibleIceCastle
      @IncredibleIceCastle 3 года назад

      Mark and Matt are the best interviews on there. The hosts are terrible though.

  • @kaylasandiford8421
    @kaylasandiford8421 3 года назад +95

    This was fascinating, but now I’m a bit paranoid lol

    • @seanclements6206
      @seanclements6206 3 года назад +7

      Yeah the internet is a hell of a monster

    • @Phonophobia
      @Phonophobia 3 года назад +2

      If anything happens with your credit card while handling it "responsibly" like shopping, picking up money and not typing it out on websites and shit, there's almost nothing you could've done, except not getting one in the first place.

  • @DayDreamSounds
    @DayDreamSounds 3 года назад +22

    These are the videos I love man. This one and the gummo interview are two of my favourites by far. They have so much story, so much background behind them. They never get boring to listen to, it's incredible

    • @gregoryreeves8586
      @gregoryreeves8586 3 года назад +1

      Agreed, That Gummo interview was very interesting. Both of these guys have definitely mastered there trade..

    • @ScottRuen
      @ScottRuen 2 года назад

      not much of a story here and its probably lies anyway.

    • @borthwey
      @borthwey 2 года назад

      Yes. I'd add Frenchie and Clark Fredericks to that. And all the drugs addicts, they're just walking death. They are dead already, and they were even dead before they even started their habit. It's the end result of a mindset. Outside of that is where you will find actual humanity, actual life and interesting life stories.

    • @joice2871
      @joice2871 Год назад +1

      Listen to Chango a drug lord Frm nyc

  • @mindurbiz6502
    @mindurbiz6502 3 года назад +4

    The sanest interview yet.. Wishing this guy all the best

  • @johnc1280
    @johnc1280 26 дней назад +1

    I come back and revisit this interview often. While I’m outside doing leaves or mowing, I got this on the AirPods.
    Same thing with the ‘Tim Dillon - Uber Ride story’ If you don’t know. Trust me on it

    • @lukeserio95
      @lukeserio95 5 дней назад +1

      That uber story is fucking incredible. Love it.

    • @johnc1280
      @johnc1280 22 часа назад

      @ it’s gold. I’ve had 6-7 people on separate occasions sit down with me and listen

  • @JoinTheTakeOver
    @JoinTheTakeOver 3 года назад +131

    Had to make sure I had my wallet after watching this

    • @chelsearamos4056
      @chelsearamos4056 3 года назад +2

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @beemonique8466
      @beemonique8466 3 года назад

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @whatsupmanhowsitgoing6166
      @whatsupmanhowsitgoing6166 3 года назад

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

    • @tma78
      @tma78 3 года назад

      its your personal information. its all over the darkweb marketplaces. enough ID to open accounts in someone else name etc.

  • @summaryjudgment
    @summaryjudgment 3 года назад +18

    lol, I love how this dude talks about credit card fraud like he was investing in the stock market.
    "I was in the right place at the right time"

  • @jacquelinem3655
    @jacquelinem3655 3 года назад +8

    Wow what an amazing portrait into a life. This one has changed my perspective. Thanks for another great interview Mark!

  • @stephenn8366
    @stephenn8366 3 года назад +7

    Strange how he describes his younger years..real disconnect.
    Hes a smart creative guy who could do good legit work.

  • @billiejoemerick7564
    @billiejoemerick7564 Год назад +1

    He doesn't regret it because he's never really been punished for what he has done in the effect that it has caused

  • @chrismartin9743
    @chrismartin9743 3 года назад +61

    I'm not too sure he would have no regrets if the postmaster general had given the green light to open that box. He would have done 10, 20 years in prison, not seen his kids grow up and missed some of the best parts of his life. He got seriously lucky!

    • @abcd-ur8fo
      @abcd-ur8fo 3 года назад +21

      He would not have done much time. I was in prison with someone in the USA who did credit cards. He plead guilty to stealing between 7-12 million and did 6 years USA fed gov prison time for it. White collar money crimes are low sentences. No violence no drugs no guns....it's bad. But small sentences
      I dont even know why I'm saying this. Sorry

    • @ClareSw
      @ClareSw 3 года назад +8

      @@abcd-ur8fo cause that's the fact and you mentioned only the top of the iceberg and not mentioning the white-collar huuuge financial frauds without ZERO sentences. And I stop here :-)

  • @chrisp4962
    @chrisp4962 3 года назад +10

    One of the most interesting interviews you've done! Completely enjoyed the conversation and story. Thank you!

  • @arctictruck10
    @arctictruck10 3 года назад +16

    People need to lawyer up before talking to any law enforcement officer

    • @marylougeorge9890
      @marylougeorge9890 3 года назад +3

      Sad we aren't safe even if we're innocent. Worse case scenario is innocent and poor!

    • @JaimeGarcia-pe7bj
      @JaimeGarcia-pe7bj 11 месяцев назад

      That's true ​@@marylougeorge9890

  • @Bobbbybags
    @Bobbbybags Год назад +2

    God I love how you pause and allow for silence to let the persons statement really sink in. Brilliant interviewing skills man

  • @jordyphillips5013
    @jordyphillips5013 2 года назад +1

    This was one of my favorite interviews. Thank u so much for everything u do for these people mark you are truely an angel i wish we had many more people like you around.

  • @matthewshaffer9427
    @matthewshaffer9427 3 года назад +13

    this guy is on a recovery road. sometimes the most damaged are the wisest. the way he absolutely knows life is precious tells you the struggle he's gone through

  • @er1ns
    @er1ns 3 года назад +115

    Literally checked my bank account while watching this 😂 Really enjoyed this interview tho. Everyone has a story.. thanks Mark for giving so many ppl a chance to share theirs!

    • @Johnboseak
      @Johnboseak 3 года назад +2

      Thank you for watching my episode Erin! Please subscribe to my RUclips channel! “Boseak Conundrum “

    • @debbi9880
      @debbi9880 3 года назад

      @@Johnboseak FO.

    • @debbi9880
      @debbi9880 3 года назад +2

      Why is Boseak on Skid Row? Trying to swindle Mark to tell his story and advertise his RUclips channel and book??

    • @vanontom
      @vanontom 3 года назад +1

      Everybody check the "alerts" section with their bank or card provider, especially set alerts for purchases "over set dollar amount" (perhaps $100-200). Many useful alerts available, depending on bank, that can catch fraud quick. Debit cards especially, harder to get money back. Also most have comprehensive fraud protection (complex computer algorithms) that are very good now at instantly blocking "suspect" transactions, without us ever knowing (card numbers are constantly guessed and bombarded with worldwide fraud attempts).

    • @Laayon19
      @Laayon19 Год назад

      Marry me Erin!!!!

  • @donaldbrownjr.5473
    @donaldbrownjr.5473 3 года назад +14

    At first glance I thought he was a heavy duty gangsta! After this I'm getting Lifelock. Great stuff Mark 👏

  • @TheSean7564
    @TheSean7564 2 года назад +11

    Great interview!! So interesting. That said, as a mortgage lender I have seen people's lives so severely damaged and so much pain as a result of identity theft and fraud ... everything we do has consequences.

    • @ifeedchickens7387
      @ifeedchickens7387 2 года назад

      the consequences of my actions equal money, i dont feel bad about it

    • @patrickmcpartland1398
      @patrickmcpartland1398 Год назад +1

      Someone who works in the mortgage loan industry preaching about theft and fraud hahahahah the whole industry is a bunch of crooks.

    • @Jp19981
      @Jp19981 Год назад

      You sure as hell do your own part in robbing them blind why can't we the little fishes do the same thing lmao

  • @carolynrupard2699
    @carolynrupard2699 3 года назад

    Most interesting video. I've been hacked.....somebody got a big screen tv back in 2008 at my expense....good to see he is now helping others with his channel.

  • @kyladio93
    @kyladio93 3 года назад +6

    Really learnt a lot from this one... the ending part hit heavy and I needed to hear that, thank you for this one in particular

  • @KEMET1971
    @KEMET1971 3 года назад +28

    He started by saying that he didn't have a bad childhood then at the end talked about how his childhood was so crazy and wild; being on the street homeless for so many years.

    • @paigesowell8651
      @paigesowell8651 3 года назад +15

      In a different interview he said he snitched to avoid going to prison, and in this one he spun a totally different tale.
      Guy is a compulsive liar.

    • @alyssaturner6892
      @alyssaturner6892 3 года назад

      @@paigesowell8651 do you have the link to the other interview??

    • @mitchs36s
      @mitchs36s 3 года назад +3

      Like he said. He wasn't abused or anything like that. He just didn't have adult role models around so he was raised by the street culture as a child. At that age you are still very maliable and don't consider long term consequences like you do as you develop into an adult. People like this show a tremendous amount of perseverance to be able to grow out of it, struggle, grow, learn, and move forward. He could have easily given up at any point and continued to hustle from the dark side.

    • @annaxefta587
      @annaxefta587 3 года назад +1

      No shit.

    • @annamorgan5909
      @annamorgan5909 3 года назад

      I think when people are asked about their childhood, they immediately think of their parents. You grow up real fuckin fast when you're a young teen on the streets doin dirt and serving time. That period if your life would not be what you automatically think of when someone asks about your childhood.

  • @JBG949
    @JBG949 3 года назад +407

    He's the kind of guy that would steal your dope...And help you look for it. 🤪🤯💯

    • @JT-mg1my
      @JT-mg1my 3 года назад +1

      Yupppp 😂

    • @Psyplus
      @Psyplus 3 года назад +9

      Ohhh shit man, what chu lookin for you lose sumthin?

    • @JBG949
      @JBG949 3 года назад +2

      Me. Miller...A gracious thank you Sir...@@PrismosPicks

    • @hotpop8317
      @hotpop8317 3 года назад +1

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @mynameis8211
      @mynameis8211 3 года назад +1

      To be fair your probably correct.

  • @anabolic330
    @anabolic330 3 года назад +3

    Talent and genius once again using his skills because of the environment that raised him. Its neither right or wrong, just makes your think twice.

    • @regul8or71
      @regul8or71 3 года назад +1

      You’re right. Nothing wrong with credit card counterfeiting 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦‍♂️

  • @Spencerm1999
    @Spencerm1999 3 года назад

    This guy is very well spoken and smart. Macomb county Michigan represent

  • @nurseanastasialiberty
    @nurseanastasialiberty 3 года назад +12

    Thank you for sharing. This was a very unique and interesting one to watch. Appreciate his openness and for taking the time to share about his life with us. He shared a lot of interesting things. Learned something new today. As human beings we have choices. Actions come with consequences and it's important to learn from our mistakes.
    Thank you for all your hard work

  • @elizabethbrauer1118
    @elizabethbrauer1118 3 года назад +8

    John's childhood ended around 13-14 years of age. So familiar, hear this too much. My brother's childhood ended too - he stole a car at 14. No male presence in his life at that time - single mom. Ended his career when he robbed two banks for drug money some years later. Boys need the consistent support of fathers, or father figures. It took him years to get back on track.

  • @lmbarnes3
    @lmbarnes3 3 года назад +6

    I like how he clarified not troublemaker but troubled youth. They mean different things and empathy is provided to one.

    • @inofmotion
      @inofmotion 3 года назад +3

      Absolutely I wish Mark would phrase his questions more thoughtfully, or more tactfully at least.

  • @thegirlof1983
    @thegirlof1983 3 года назад +1

    I really enjoyed the interview. He was so lucky to only get 2 years.

  • @DONTXCRASH
    @DONTXCRASH 3 года назад +1

    Wanted to watch the warden interview but I couldn’t without comments. These things need to be in theater or live

  • @hunred3720
    @hunred3720 3 года назад +23

    Wish you zoomed in more.. wanted to see his chains lol

    • @ross_ulbright7779
      @ross_ulbright7779 3 года назад +3

      Do a screenshot and zoom in. The necklace says ambitious with a death head.

  • @jimbobls160
    @jimbobls160 3 года назад +10

    I look forward to my lunch break every day to watch your latest interview. U. K. 🇬🇧🇬🇧❤️👍

  • @RawShogun
    @RawShogun 3 года назад +29

    The comment section is becoming as interesting as the people being interviewed. You can spot the movers and marks, if your mad at him you’ve never been a mover, if you relate to him you can recognize a mark and know what to look out for.
    Tremendous

    • @SunShine-og4ux
      @SunShine-og4ux 3 года назад

      what’s a “mover”?

    • @RawShogun
      @RawShogun 3 года назад +2

      @@SunShine-og4ux Someone who recognizes opportunities and jumps on them. It can also manifest into predatory behavior. Ie credit card scams.

    • @googleplex7097
      @googleplex7097 3 года назад +1

      Yeah he saw an opportunity to rat on his friend and he jumped on it. Look it up.🐀

    • @noweare1
      @noweare1 3 года назад +1

      Oh, yeah quite the mover. Moved into a cell.

  • @007von
    @007von 3 года назад +3

    Victimless crime as far as I’m concerned the individual who was scammed will always get their money back and credit fixed by fdic or the bank themselves

  • @144Donn
    @144Donn Год назад

    This man should listen to his own words...what you today will affect what happens tomorrow..This is the basis of Karma; all energy comes back at us! Regret & remorse for one's misdeeds is a very healthy thing and can potentially help us avoid the negativity coming back at us like an arrow. We all eventually learn, but some take longer than others. Another great job by Mark!!!!!

  • @taht5467
    @taht5467 3 года назад +13

    A Black man or immigrant is NOT going to be extended that much grace!

  • @dp6970
    @dp6970 3 года назад +87

    This dude is smart. I’m so glad he got it together and he’s making better choices.🙏🏽👏🏽

    • @Johnboseak
      @Johnboseak 3 года назад +8

      Thank you for watching my episode! Please subscribe to my RUclips channel Boseak and Conundrum

    • @elidagdagan2780
      @elidagdagan2780 3 года назад +3

      @@Johnboseak it’s great to see you making better choices for yourself Boseak!

    • @dp6970
      @dp6970 3 года назад

      @@Johnboseak Subscribed🤘🏽 You’re rad buddy, keep on keepin on!

    • @Kenlydford
      @Kenlydford 3 года назад +2

      @@dp6970 lmao 🤪

    • @debbi9880
      @debbi9880 3 года назад +2

      @@dp6970 You have the saddest heroes.

  • @joannemates6367
    @joannemates6367 3 года назад +6

    Someone has to say it......He moved South and it all went South!! I really like this guy. I love his honesty and frankness. His life is a movie, just waiting to be made! He’s “sticking it to the man!” Cheers, from Country Victoria. Australia. ✌️✌️✌️

  • @jessaminepan107
    @jessaminepan107 Год назад

    appreciate your honesty, i have learned your courage, being honest and change you made. thanks. ❤

  • @jjrusso8295
    @jjrusso8295 2 года назад

    Probably my favorite page on RUclips

  • @kurtmartin7215
    @kurtmartin7215 3 года назад +19

    Man, this is my favorite Chris O'Donnell role.

    • @JT-mg1my
      @JT-mg1my 3 года назад +1

      Holy shit 😂 😆

    • @thesunbehindthesun1574
      @thesunbehindthesun1574 3 года назад +1

      I guess Robin got face tats after Batman and him split up

  • @barbaradecker1745
    @barbaradecker1745 3 года назад +178

    I've said it before I will say it again.....Mark needs a show on the Discovery channel!

    • @Nepthu
      @Nepthu 3 года назад +25

      They add censorship. He's doing ok on his own.

    • @finnishkidingermany7315
      @finnishkidingermany7315 3 года назад +4

      Harsh Rachel, harsh! But true! 😂

    • @jennifercochrane8218
      @jennifercochrane8218 3 года назад +3

      @@travism9339 great point!

    • @jennifercochrane8218
      @jennifercochrane8218 3 года назад +1

      @@travism9339 lol! Yeah! That poor girl was all over the place after that lol. I kinda felt bad for her

    • @jennifercochrane8218
      @jennifercochrane8218 3 года назад +2

      @@travism9339 yeah, it was obvious that she didn't have a original thought of her own when she was speaking. Clearly, she's young. It's so funny, the youth of today, say what they say thinking that they're being kind and "woke", but don't realize how racist they actually sound lol. Sad state of affairs we're living in now. Race relations are so much worse now than they've been in a long time I think.

  • @DanielleFoster.
    @DanielleFoster. 3 года назад +8

    Excellent photography, great portrait Mark

  • @nikelife9526
    @nikelife9526 2 года назад +1

    Great interview. And truthful. Because lately some of them be telling straight lies.

  • @Nikki-sf6bs
    @Nikki-sf6bs 3 года назад +1

    Moving to South Carolina has been the downfall of many.

  • @mariechristmas4393
    @mariechristmas4393 3 года назад +72

    He is such an interesting character.. very charming and engaging ...I can see why he got caught ... another awesome video
    To make my point clear, he is an interesting character as we all are, we are all unique and have a story, his character (be it organic or learned) is charming and engaging - my comment about “I can see why he got caught” is reference his own comments on living in a small town, and the post person becoming inquisitive- and reference my last comment well no one can deny it’s another awesome video - I have nothing negative to say here, - thank you Mark for your video

    • @-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-...
      @-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-... 3 года назад +4

      So why you think he got caught fam?

    • @The_Bass_Stunters
      @The_Bass_Stunters 3 года назад +5

      Check out his interview on Koncrete with Mat Cox. He goes into detail on his story. It’s an absolutely incredible story. He was caught because of his ego and pride.

    • @mariechristmas4393
      @mariechristmas4393 3 года назад

      @@-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-... I’m unsure, but he comes across as so plausible .. what a really nice guy! I wish him all the best - maybe I will rethink my comment 😌

    • @mariechristmas4393
      @mariechristmas4393 3 года назад

      @@The_Bass_Stunters awesome! Will do, thank you from uk 🇬🇧

    • @5thdimension625
      @5thdimension625 3 года назад +6

      Charismatic antisocial personality disorder

  • @alisonwonderland8680
    @alisonwonderland8680 3 года назад +50

    A common response is at the start when they're asked about their childhood they answer it was normal, then at the end it changes to being crazy and the opposite to their first answer. 🤔

    • @alsie1882
      @alsie1882 3 года назад +2

      Yes I was thinking that exact same thing! WTF?

    • @Mari-cy3tu
      @Mari-cy3tu 3 года назад

      Their normal???

    • @Mod2ForPrez
      @Mod2ForPrez 3 года назад +4

      He said his childhood was normal at the start up to about 13, and then mentioned at the end his teen years were crazy, homeless ect.
      Also it's a very common response for people who have led a hard life or more unconventional one to answer with "yea normal, or it was good, could have been worse" myself included. We don't define ourselves by our past and don't hold it to such a abnormal standard. Then you have the people who all they want to talk about is how fucked up there past was and never are able to grow internally past it, they are stuck there. This man has just grown internally is all.

    • @JetskiDex
      @JetskiDex 3 года назад +3

      Because it was normal for them or at the time, then there is a period of change then it's no longer normal, but yeah I noticed that a long time ago.

    • @marylougeorge9890
      @marylougeorge9890 3 года назад +1

      @@JetskiDex Normal for them at the time...exactly.

  • @jininberry8204
    @jininberry8204 3 года назад +6

    Crazy how quick and analytical he is

  • @livefreeprintguns
    @livefreeprintguns 3 года назад +5

    "Carding" that's an old school term. I used to do a lot of hacking back in the day and had an *ignorant* amount of card information including names, phone numbers, address, etc. This was before the CCV days and I really thought about using that information a handful of times, glad I never pulled the trigger and eventually deleted the file. I had kept it around as sort of a "trophy" but thankfully I saw how that could quickly and easily become a huge problem/liability in the future for whatever reason.