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RHAPpy Hour 22 | Big Brother Winner Rankings
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- Опубликовано: 31 окт 2015
- Big Brother Canada’s Jordan Parhar is joined by the Rob Has a Podcast live feed correspondents (Alex Kidwell, Brent Wolgamott and Taran Armstrong) to rank the winners for each season of Big Brother USA.
Taran outargues the other 3 on just about every conflict. Props.
LOL! @ Brent saying "he was fooled by F'in Ian!!" - speaking about Mike Boogie
please rank runner ups :) loving these podcasts! also, if you haven't already, you should talk about your thoughts on a returning player season (since there's so much speculation that season 18 will be one). what should the theme be? your dream cast? etc.
All these discussions are AWESOME! You guys are great!
There's no way in hell Derrick is over Dan or Will in any galaxy in the universe.
That depends on how much you take returnee seasons into consideration. If we're judging individual winning games, I would have Derrick and Andy top 2. Yeah neither were great tv, but both were in cahoots with everyone and would have been safe in almost every scenario. Dan and will both could have gone home if the wrong person won hoh.
Lil Airs No one said you were wrong?? You also have to take into account that Derrick benefitted massively by the BoB and Reset twists, while Dan had virtually no twists in his season and relied strictly on gameplay to get him through.
Derrick has the best “winning game” in bb OAT but Dan is a better player bc of S14
Agreed, but they are THE top three hands down.
@Raheem Fielder-Bey americas player hindered his game, did not benefit at all. Also the second veto(I think you’re referring to?) did not benefit him in any way either.
Their List:
16- Jordan. BB11
15- Rachel BB13
14- Dick BB08
13- Adam BB09
12- Ian. BB14
11- Drew. BB05
10- Steve BB17
09- Lisa BB03
08- Mike BB07
07- Hayden BB12
06- Jun BB04
05- Maggie. BB06
04- Andy. BB15
03- Derrick. BB16
02- Will. BB02
01- Dan BB10
Goat Like a
Goat Like thx
Thank you
Thanks a lot and I'm not sarcastic
Goat Like thank you!
Binging a bunch of these in anticipation for bb18. I absolutely love it when you guys do these 2+ hour podcasts.
Great ranking and I agree that Dan and his most deserve to be at the top! Highlight for me was the Mike Boogie chat hahaha "HE WAS FOOLED BY IAN". I know I was impressed by Jun but your talk made me want to rewatch season 4!
Mist* lmao
this is the crew that made me start being a daily rhap viewer😂 crazy nostalgia
This was 6.5 years ago? Damn. Weird to think I was 14 when I found this episode and was officially introduced to RHAP. Really miss the RHAPpy Hour crew
my situation the same as yours. around that age i found um and man has it changed 🤣🤣
Yayy!! I love these ranking podcasts. Great job guys :)
Jun easily beats Boogie holy crap!!!! Will completely controlled Boogie's game!!!!! Jun is so smart and played near flawlessly!
Taran arguing it isn't a given that Season 7 was better than 14 is laughable
Matthew Mohr it is better you’re wrong
@@jake-waywards5628 season 7 is the best season and always will be
@@whale6069 That shows how biased you are. Saying "and always will be" shows an extreme lack of objectivity.
@@jackmcg0 season 7 gives me everything I want in a season. There is no topping it for me. Big brother can't get better than season 7 imo
he’s talking about the caliber of player
I'm crying at how heated Brent got over Mike Boogie xD
Yay the correspondents are back!!! Great show y'all!
Brent's top 4 rankings are the worst thing to ever come out of the BB fandom. And that is truly saying something.
Wow I didn’t expect you guys to change my mind, but you guys did.
Loving how this is a podcast between a genuinely pretty boy, an alien, a Boomer from Left 4 Dead, and someone who I don't think knows how hair works. This is awesome.
4 years late but completely agree with everything taran said with the dan and will debate, and majority of his list. but I genuinely think Dan is the most gifted social player to ever play the game, no one has ever possessed that level of mist before or since
Loved it!
You also have to account for the fact that most of these people, especially in the later seasons, are essentially actors. Whenever they're on tv, on a podcast, or talking to fans they're a character. So an issue becomes how long can they act for.
Andy over Will and Dan is insane
How about a big brother Canada season/winners ranking.
That will make the podcast much shorter
I wonder if Brent knows that Boogie and Will split the money
As per Dan or Will, I agree with Taran.
Will is the most organic big brother player ever; his genius lies in the fact that he doesn't get blood on his hands, but gets blood on his body, which veils his appearance as a threat, from house perception, in a manner since unsurpassed. He accomplishes this with the best reading ability we've seen yet, and a social presence that's entertaining enough to blind its witnesses to its hegemony.
Its tempting to think Will is the better player. I mean, he's the only player below the best player ever. It could be argued they're equally great. We're splitting hairs here, people.
But just saying -- if that were Dan in All Stars final four, he would have ensured Erika's trust to not work against him at all costs. Why? Because Dan's relentless, and Will is not. Dan's ability to get out of every single situation seems untouchable. While Will stands as an impressive feat of social force in the laws of Big Brother, Dan demolishes these laws. He breaks the laws and doesn't get evicted -- like a Mist. The Mist also ensures that Dan is good with the house and has a beat on it. The one time the house went against the Mist, in 14, the guy euthanized his game, like a thespian, only to rebuild the structures of each relationship with the remaining houseguests in an order which led to their own destruction. Only to leave him, and one remnant of the bomb, of the Mist, in the Final Two.
Never evicted.
Great job, guys.
You know, you all look like regular guys.. but you guys are pro's. Well tht out and choreographed presentation, as always. 💯💪
Hey Jordan,Where would you rank the 3 Big Brother Canada winners within the american winners?
Alex Kidwell and I may be soulmates. Literally the exact same rankings and a similar argument for Dr. Will over Dan. I do believe Dr. Will is more charismatic because he has a natural charm, humour, and just a certain je ne sais pas that I don't believe Dan has. As far as I can recall, no one was ever venomously bitter towards the game Will played but they were towards Dan's. Will wins if he makes it to the end in BB7, but in no scenario does Dan win in BB14. Taran makes a good point about the jury just refusing to give the money to a coach and previous winner, however I was always of the understanding that a fair part of it was because they were butthurt about Dan's cutthroat game. I think Dan was unable to manage the jury successfully the second time around (although to his credit, he did it masterfully the first time), but it's absolutely essential to do, and thus a glaring hole in his gameplay the second time around. I do agree with Jordan and think you have to consider the casts they played with a second time, players who have played 2 times are more than likely going to be stronger and learn from their mistakes. A new cast is just inherently more green and more naive when dealing with returning players, and this is evident in BB14, but also the other returnee season, BB13, and several survivor returnee vs newbie seasons too. A returning player always makes it to the end and normally dominates the entirety of the season. I do think Dan is good enough to do extremely well in an All-Stars season but we haven't yet seen it and we have seen Dr. Will totally manipulate, at one point or another, every single player in BB7 which is something that shouldn't be easy to do, however Will made it look easy.
All of that said, Dr. Will & Dan are obviously in a tier of their own, and I would consider both of them masters of the game. I also think Dan has more passion for the game, which I think is a point on his side as I think this then means he has more of a drive to win than Will.
Also, on a side note, I disagree with Brent's point of if you face adversity, you're not as good of a winner b/c you shouldn't have gotten into that position in the first place. I think it's almost inevitable in a 2-3 month long game, and also sometimes automatic, through no fault of your own (especially if it's early on), you can just end up in that position. I mean I do agree it is certainly impressive if you're always able to avoid it, but I think it shows your chops more as a player whether or not you're able to maneuver and adapt when the circumstances are less than favourable. That's what makes Dr. Will and Dan Gheesling so great, because they were able to do just that; although playing with the odds stacked against them, they were able to dig themselves out of the hole and make it to the end in a grand fashion.
Comparing those juries is unfair tho bc one is an all star cast so they obviously want the best player to win. But s14 were mad because they didn’t think they’d be playing with returners and also they didn’t want to give the money to A) a winner and B) someone who already had a chance to play
@@jaredfreeley8283 And the argument about being in a bad position. Dan was safe if anyone other than Frank won HoH. You can't control that since Frank was never going to not target Dan and had the coaches not came into the game the week they did it's possible that Dan would have never been on the block at all.
I think this argument is bs. More charming than Dan is subjective but it's not necessarily making him better. Plus if Dan has a higher drive to win then Will is clear as day not better than him
No offense, really, but Brent is killing these rankings. Without spoiling the episode, where he ranked Derrick, Boogie and Andy, etc.. . I know these lists are tough to make, but he made some egregious choices.
1. Will
2. Dan
3. Derrick
4. Hayden
5. Andy
6. Maggie
7. Jun
8. Boogie
Don't have the time to actually do some research to form my bottom half. But my top 8 looks something like this.
Chris Pagliuca My top 8 is similar but tweaked a little
1.Dan
2.Will
3.Derrick
4.Andy
5.Hayden
6.Evel Dick
7.Boogie
8.Jun
and my honorable mentions are Ian and Steve
Will is worse than dan
I would love to see how these rankings might change if you include the seasons recorded after 2015
The difference in top 2 is Will invented the perfect game, but Dan played it.
RedHunter Dan is better
Next, talk about best runner-ups, best players to not win, and best first evictees lol
Still mad Lisa won and not Danielle
I agree.
Danielle Reyes deserved to win that season handily if the jury was sequestered. Lisa is still a good player and a decent winner compared to others, but Danielle should have been the winner. Then she would be challenging for a #2 or #3 spot probably
McMac Agreed.
Danielle is overrated. She shouldn't have evicted Amy and was actively playing for Jason to win. Also it's not like she didn't know the jury wasn't sequestered.
Yes!! Danielle should have won!!
I'm ranking based on who I think wins the most games if they were to play 1000 games with people unaware of their games:
1. Dan
2. Will
3. Derrick
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4. Andy
5. Maggie
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6. Hayden
7. Jun
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8. Drew
9. Steve
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10. Ian
11. Lisa
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12. Mike
13. Rachel
14. Adam
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15. Dick
16. Jordan
My dashes indicate my tiers (yes, I have a lot.)
I would put Jun above Hayden though, she didn't really rely on anyone except herself. Hayden had 3 other people looking out for him, whereas Jun was essentially alone the whole game. Her strategy was near flawless and she was smart enough to drag someone who was more hated than her into the final 2. Hayden had 3 others doing the dirty work but Jun's own intuition and strategy carried her swiftly into the final 2.
Mike Boogie is way to low
Best part was when Alex brought up Russell Feathers at 1:59:55
*rustle
I thought he said Russell as well
As a scientist, I think Taran was dead on with all his statements. He backed everything up with evidence. Dan is the greatest player of all time!
before i watch this. jun better be higher than steve or im going to throw my computer..
ok we are safe no throwing tonight
This podcast was great, but when Jordan is involved, it's PAR-HAR for the course ;)
choke
I agree for most of it
I am no fan of Boogie but to say he did nothing in BB14 is crazy,it was his idea to get Dan/Danielle to backdoor Janelle.and he is not lying by saying he wasn't into playing BB14,he was the only coach not to hit the reset button and would of won 100k as Ian won the game,his downfall was he put all his eggs in Frank's basket,Dan IMO is the best ever,maybe it's because i had feeds during both his seasons,funny enough i loved BB1 and actually quit watching BB early on during BB2 for 7 years,returned for BB9 and never looked back,i have since watched all seasons and some multiple times.my top 5 are 5-Mike Malin 4-Andy Herren 3-Derrick Lavasseur 2-Will Kirby 1-Dan Gheesling
Dan is the best of all time...he made it to the finals in two different circumstances. No one else can say that...nuff said
Agree!
Paul did that
I agree, but by that logic Paul is the 2nd best player ever
YaBoi DaSleeper I’m sure my boy Vincent here is rethinking this reasoning after the trash can that is Paul made it to the final 2 twice. Is Dan still the best? Yes, but for many other reasons.
Will is still better
great points in regards to dan vs will. will has more cards in his deck but unless the game is who has more cards it doesnt guarentee a win. infact id say thats a plus to dan because he got better results than will woth one less card in his deck
Old video, so probably no one cares! But - Will did want to win the game over Boogie, so it definitely wasn't Will's primary intention for Boogie and not him to win (Will doesn't take the game very seriously, but he definitely likes the limelight and what would be better than to be the sole double winner of BB?) - At one point Will asked Chicken George to put himself up (against Erika), in an effort to boot out Erika (who was not only a challenge threat, but also Boogie's seccond closest ally after Will himself). Boogie then inadvertantly screwed that up when he threatened chicken george with the secret power to not put Will up and succeeded (and looking back, if Boogie was actually aware of it, then he would get some points on his gameplay in that he actually did intend to win the game and not let Will win it, but from what I remember, Boogie was just really mad because his friend is going to be put up, and not realizing that Will's intention was to be put up so Erika will go home. He basically accidentally screwed it up for Will and helped himself without realizing it). From that point on, Erika having stayed in the game from that point on had huge impacts on how the end game played out for Will.
And as for Will being in an all stars season vs Dan being in a 3/4 newbie season, I think it's a complete wash since Will got to take Boogie with him to play. Dan didn't get to take someone he could fully trust without doubt, and Dan being a winner amongst newbies meant he was that much less likely to be able to get votes in the end vs Will, who will have a jury filled with 2nd time players who would be more fair with the voting.
Dr will is the best big brother player ever!!!
angie cruz nope
Subjectively: Will and Dan tied
Objectively: Dan has the only perfect game, Dan has never been evicted, Dan has played in an evolved version of the game.
Will did not win unanimously, Will has been evicted (by a meh tier player), Will played in the very early stages of Reality TV Game Shows.
Looks like Dan wins
JPAnnichiarico how is Janelle a meh tier player??
Will manipulated everyone in BB7 Dan picked the wrong side in the BB10 pre jury I got will but they’re both the Michael Jordan and Lebron James of Big Brother
I think dr will wins bb7 if he doesn’t have a girlfriend on the outside. He wouldn’t kiss janelle and that breeded the distrust that made her team up with Erica.
Taran looks like a kid here, so weird looking back now
If everybody hates the Friendship, it is fair to say that it's leader would be unlikable in most seasons. Like Alex said, she just seemed really bad at getting to know people. Keep in mind the ways the meta game has changed, and the fact that without her 911 relative there, she wont be handed an alliance.
these guys are delusional. How could boogie come even near to Jun Song's game!! She is kinda creator of making alliance with the most hated person in the house (Allison) Lots of people tried the same thing later but they failed. Come on..
survivor seasons/winners rankings?
Can you guys post your lists in the comments?
Dan played a legit perfect game! Like legit perfect game!
Evan Jean He won 7-0 in the jury votes. He had no eviction votes cast against....which is a perfect game...
Evan Jean bigbrother.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Game stop trying to defend yourself. this page says it all
Evan Jean don't insult me. you are just as childish trying to insult me. I am not using a second rate wikipedia page.....thats the true definition of a perfect game! Guess J.T. and Cochran didnt play a perfect game in Survivor because in your view thats wrong.
Dan played what is technically a perfect game on paper, but he either looses or doesn't get all of the jury votes if anyone else of the final five is next to him whose name isn't Memphis.
+Super Human Jedi Knight He's still the best ever Because of his strategy, but its way closer than you are marking it out to be.
38:33 Taran you are a saint.
I'm still new to big brother, and I've only seen a few seasons, but I don't really understand how Andy ranked so high. To me, it seemed like he was an upgraded version of Porsche from season 13...
Josh would be #19 for sure
1) Will
2) Dan
3) Derrick
4) Andy
5) Hayden
6) Jun
7) Maggie
8) Boogie
9) Drew
10) Steve
11) Ian
12) Lisa
13) Adam
14) Dick
15) Rachel
16) Jordan
I wonder how Nicole would rank on this list
chloe james she would definitely be in the top half
damien breitsprecher I agree. A lot of people don't seem to respect her game but I thought she did very good
Right above Steve below drew
during the unvieling of number one i was listining to the drum roll in judas priests bent for leather so if you want a drum roll thats a good one
No
Godfrey is the greatest big brother player of all timeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
LOL
We are talking about Big Brother USA NOT Canada!!!!
Godfrey played a game that hot him to final 2. That's it.
Amazing 3 hours of content. When Brent gets cast on BB and wins, he will be a top 5 all time winner!
I would have voted for Dan too 😊
"Ian relied on comp wins the most" um fuck no that's Rachel
Beaucoup...
1. Dan
2. Will
3. Derrick
4. Jun
5. Sarah (C3)
6. Dick
7. Andy
8. Jon P. (C2)
9. Maggie
10. Ian
11. Hayden
12. Steve
13. Drew
14. Lisa
15. Boogie
16. Nicole F.
17. Jillian (C1)
18. Pax Bros (C4)
19. Jordan
20. Adam
21. Rachel
My list ranking the winners
1) Dan
2) Andy
3) Will
4) Derrick
5) Hayden
6) Maggie
7) Lisa
8) Nicole
9) Kaycee
10) Jun
11) Mike
12) Steve
13) Drew
14) Ian
15) Adam
16) Josh
17) Dick
18) Jordan
19) Rachel
1/2) Eric Stein (should have been a winner and may be the best player of all time)
Taran slayed that final debate. ;) #TeamMist
there was no one who didnt like andy in the house
Being a recovering addict is a serious accomplishment, I don’t like when people judge other people bc of a mistake .
Top 3 Big brother players ( in my opinion )
1. Dr Will Kirby
2. Dan Gheesling
3. Evel Dick Donato
Natural born killer nope
Without americas player sick would have went home a loooooooong time ago.
nicole will definitely be in the top half even though she is so hated.
andy and derrick both plkayed the everyones friends card
To be fair Derek won because Cody was too stupid to pick Victoria and Andy won by a bitter jurors
Rachel should definitely be higher! She was a comp beast!!! And even tho she had so many conflicts she still won in the end!!!
so I rewatched season 14 recently and the week the coaches twist ends ian almost screws himself shane trusted frank but he revealed to them that shane was team boogies next target so frank was nearly backdoored because of it most embarrising move made by the person who won that season ever
lisa praise
The groups opinion really flipped on boogie😂
1 Dan
2 Derrick
3 Will
4 Andy
5 Jun
6 Hayden
7 Maggie
8 Steve
9 Boogie
10 Nicole
11 Lisa
12 Drew
13 Ian
14 Jordan
15 Adam
16 Rachel
17 Dick
18 Josh
Used to think Will was the best then I saw Season 10.
35:40 I personally am not that high on Eric either. He was rude (at times) and one trait about him that hinders his game is that he could be very blunt. For example, he said to Jen, "As happy as you are to be leaving, we're happier." To leave that type of last impression on 1/7 of the voters is a big risk with no reward. And goodbye messages are the time to suck up to jurors, he failed in that in my opinion.
I think Danielle would have showmanced Dan. & him and Keesha had a flirtation so he could play a different kind of seductor. And rumor has it Dr.Will & Janelle banged in jury anyway.
Update this!
It seems like you guys aren't really factoring in competitions. Yes, some of them are luck, but definitely not all. I
I personally would have Rachel higher, but I get the likeability factor.
Yes Rachel is one of the way stronger winner and evil dick is weak without danielle
I agree,if it's comps are given more credence then i see Rachel much higher,I respect Rachels game more than Andy's Rachel literally at mostly her own fault,HAD to win HOH/POV to survive,andy floated a good part of the season which is a strategy in itself,i wonder how Nicole would fit on this list as for 2 seasons she won 6 HOH comps if you count 2 of the 3 finals 2 Vetos, 2 BOTB and a return comp,that is 11 Total
1:56:23 DOUBLE EVICTION!
Taran has glowed up big time
Wow Brent, Andy at 2!?!? They only wanted to vote for Andy because he was up against GM lollol. I'm not a fan of Andy's game at all bro. I couldn't stand him lol. That season was horrible definitely one of the worst.
lollllllllolllll bro lololoolooolll
I hated that season
That's an emotional opinion. Doesn't say much
My list (since I'm just now watching this I'm including every season including OTT
20. Eddie
19. Jordan
18. Morgan
17. Racheal
16. Andy
15. Adam
14. Drew
13. Josh
12. Lisa
11. Maggie
10. Steve
9. Nicole
8. Boogie
7. Jun
6. Derrick
5. Dick
4. Ian
3. Hayden
2. Dr. Will
1. Dan
ironicly james thought Maggie was a cop and her partner eric said she gave james good reson to believe she was a cop anddoctors and cops are in the same profession
Jun evicting (or pushing to evict, she was HOH so she didn't actually vote) Jee at F5 in BB4 was a good move. Either way, Jee or Robert would be the prime target going into the next week. Even though Robert ultimately wins the next HOH, Jee was easily the better competitor of the two. He was also the most liked person in the F5 and, with that jury, probably would have won near unanimously against anyone in the F5. If Jun evicts Robert, she is choosing to keep the stronger of two players with equal sized targets on their backs. If she evicts Erika, she kills the girls alliance and the Dream Team are half of the F4. Most importantly, however, Jun raises her floater genius through the roof in evicting Jee. Once Jee is gone, Robert and Erika are thus seen as the new couple and Allison is forced to work even closer with Jun as opposed to Erika. The only reasons Jun would want to keep Jee would be to use Jee as a meatshield and/or hope that Jee would take her to the end, but Robert was an equal sized meatshield (who was less of a threat than Her) and she didnt want Jee to take her to the end, she wanted Allison or Erika to.
andy is like ian and steve but he adapts to it immediantly because he is a teacher if he wasnt andy would be in trouble early on
also about the teacher thing for Tiffany from the new big brother I think I will be a fan of hers because she is a teacher and teachers aren't mean and he sister was a mean person and I think she would have lost against steve
Dan won Big Brother Twice dont care what anyone says
Junior Okoroafor he lost from ian last time
He didn't win twice he won bb10 he lost
to Ian on bb14
Nope he won
Alexis Falekos no, he won by another unanimous vote. it's in the alternate ending from the BB14 Directors Cut: The Ending We All Wanted, Needed, and Deserved
Ian played an above average game, but nowhere near Dan, who in my opinion is the best B.B. player ever.
Why Jordan praises Lisa Donovan for being capable of going far, no matter what season it is, but not Jordan Lloyd, who, far as strategy is concerned, isn't that much worse than Lisa, who, like you all said, was tutored... She knew little, played little, but was, overall, nice. And they place Lisa that much higher over Jordan? Lost on me.
I personally think they hold the Coup de tat against Jordan,granted if Jessie does not go chances are he wins his 3rd HOH and sends Jeff or Jordan home,but she may be the most likable of all winners,her Social game is darn near the top and when she had to win she did,Granted i agree all 3 of the final 3 had no business being there,all the big players were out,still Jordan won her 2 parts of the HOH against self described "Physical threat" Natalie and Mental Threat Kevin.
I think the final 3 in 11 isn't great, but it isn't irredeemable. I think the deserved final 3 in that season should go to Kevin, Michelle, and Jordan. Some would put Jeff where Jordan is, but screw that. She's closer to what Big Brother is than Jeff is. Jeff was a mouthpiece for the American dream or something. Something silly anyway. Jordan may be vacant upstairs overall, but she represents the social piece of the game perfectly from the theoretical get-go: someone who is amicable, sociable, and able to be someone their peers thinks about. They may not think terribly deep things about Jordan Lloyd, but they think of her cat-like house presence. Seriously, she has great BB stats for a reason -- she comes with the house is how it seems! Anyway, cheerio.
RK Breen Michelle played a good game,I love Jeff but he should not of been in final 3 because his big move really wasn't his.
2:52:00
@RHAPpy Hour experts, if Danielle Reyes won season 2, Dan Gheesling won season 14 like they deserved, and Will Kirby made final 3, where would they all rank depending on Will's ultimate season 7 placement? Would Dan be solid #1, Will #2, Derik #3, Danielle #4, Andy #5?
David Franco if Dan was the 2 time winner he is the clear cut number 1 without debate. If he had managed to flip a jury that hated him, how could anyone be better?
If will won 7 he’d be first
interesting
Brent's 40yrs old ? 1:04:50, fuck man... don't look it
Your right it's about 50
39:25 Taran
Excellent discussion! And about Boogie: he was pretty coward, to be honest, when he chose not to continue in 14. I think I concur more towards the continuum of Brent's opinion here.
BB9 was bad ,but not as bad as BB15.
I know people will disagree with this and I don't care. My rankings r based on Dominicans during the season and not who the best player period is otherwise it would be dn.
1. Derrick
2. Dan
3. Will
4. Andy
5. Maggie
6. Hayden
7. Mike boogie
8. Jun
9. Drew
10. Nicole
11. Adam
12. Ian
13. Steve
14. Dick
15. Lisa
16. Josh
17. Kaycee
18. Rachel
19. Jordan
pretty sure Brent was on coke when he did he rankings. Adam at #7?? really??
I think Taran was right. I trust Jordan to make it farther than Rachel. Rachel sinks her own ship. I think Jordan will at least make it far every game she plays.
When did Will make Diane and Nakomis stupid? Both were out really early and if I recall Nakomis wanted Chilltown out and no one listened to her and sent her out. As for Diane she was useless that season anyway and I don't recall Diane had a great relationship with Will or Boogie.
sarah hanlon wasnt in part 3