The killer in this game is literally that weird Japanese doll everyone's scared of, dressed as Jeff the Killer, which is jarring and funny at the same time.
So the caretaker of Whine Vale park passes away and the community writes him a letter of thanks (addressed to him as if he's alive and able to read it), frames it and hangs it up in his office so that...what? Everyone can see how magnanimous they are? And then the new caretaker is constantly reminded of how much everyone loved their predecessor? I agree with John - this community sucks.
@@neurohack9038 ah yes, the classic "you mispelled a word therefore everything you said is incorrect" argument used by those who coward away from any sort of criticism or responsibility, as if that invalidates anything i said. Not even sure how mispelling a word has any correlation to my ability to criticize a games originality, but youve already made it clear that youre grasping at straws trying to invalidate my comment speaking on the games very unoriginal concept.
Damn, I didnt know that PTSD can just be countered with closing your eyes for a sec. Man, I couldve saved myself multiple psychologists and a rehab if someone had just told me, lmao. Id say its pretty hard to faithfully recreate any kind of mental illness in a game, especially when its the main driving point of psychological horror, but Im getting pretty sick of every horror MC these days being mentally ill but the devs dont even bother to consult people who actually are afflicted by it.
calling it now at around 2 minutes in, the guy killed his sister in a car crash and it's a guilt game with a horrible misunderstanding and representation of ptsd
Well, it was heavily implied that they couldn't hear anyone on his end ("If you cannot speak please give us a sign" and him asking "Can you hear me?" and them interrupting him when he starts explaining a second time).
This just makes me want to go watch Psych again. >.> But really, the immediate narration about the guy having mental illness/PTSD made me roll my eyes. They couldn't have chosen a quicker way to make me uninterested in their plot.
When I was 14, a friend and I were walking down a dark path and heard someone snap a picture + saw a flash light up an area nearby. It was probably completely innocent and not related to us at all, but it scared the hell out of us. Without a word, we both just started running.
Similar story, one time my friends and I were walking up the street to our house around midnight in 5th grade, when I heard a scraping noise. When I looked down the road, I saw, as a shadow under the street light, a guy half limping and dragging what I thought was a shovel up the street. I pointed it out and we all started running. Keep in mind that I had sometimes heard that same scraping noise at night before. My friends say it was an axe but I remember it being a shovel. Still have no idea what that guy was doing.
As soon as I read the "mental illness" intro, I expected some lame stuff, is really that difficult to not mess up this on horror videogames??? 30:20 Wait, the guy with the kniife, that face isn't the Momo's creepypasta? lol
Games like this are what makes people groan at hearing "this is a psychological horror game". If it is actually all about the Mustang crash, then it's very u h h h h.
The thumbnail looks like that one "I kidnapped you" game with the texting, horn, and air vents. Even if it is not by the same people, the similarity has put me in a good mood for this. And I don't think this is the best game to say it, but in my mind, either go pure-supernatural or go pure-realistic threat. Pick one and have fun with it, don't be a coward or chose the lazy option of "It's all in your head, or was it?" There are ways to do semi-supernatural right, but most of the time, I don't like how it is done. Pick a side and at least make the ambiguity entertaining and/or reasonable.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. I kept skimming over the thumbnail because I thought it WAS that "I kidnapped you" video and I wasn't sure why RUclips kept recommending it to me all this time later. Then I realize it was a new video altogether lmao
...I think it goes without saying that almost all knowledge this game has on PTSD is wrong, but then again it's only there for a crutch. It's not like the creator of the game set out to do real research before he chose a mental illness out of a hat. I know this shouldn't irritate me as much as it does, but it's just so lazy. Because there's a good chance that the only reason it was implemented was for the eventual "We were imagining it the whole time!" trope.
@@thecutecat2561 i don’t care if you think it doesn’t concern me, I still called you out on your self centered bs 🤷♂️ just because you or the op can’t relate doesn’t mean it’s wrong or not true. Again, the world doesn’t revolve around the way you guys experience ptsd.
Alex talks about "changing his image" means his body disfiguring because of the accident. He crashed his Mustang, killed his sister and badly disfigured his face. The antagonist is his "second image", Alex after the disfiguring. And it's haunting him ever since.
The VA for Alex is decent, unfortunately the writing isn't that great. The whole Sam not being British too thing really feels like a strange choice...did these siblings grow up in different countries?
@@kaptainkatz1411 There's a bunch of jarring context inconsistencies that keep you from suspending disbelief for the rest of the over simplified "story", and sadly these things aren't even the biggest issues. Honestly, if the storyline had more to do with residual effects of the head trauma from his accident causing our protag to hear the voice of a strange woman that most certainly can't be his sister, while stumbling across completely unrelated serial killer stuff in a park, and not the overdone plot that he has some misrepresented ptsd/guilt demon psychosis going on, it might be more interesting.
Personally I felt like his voice actor was pretty bad too, he never sounds as worried or upset as he should given the circumstances. But I agree, the writing was not good either. And yeah, the siblings having different accents does seem like a weird choice.
@@punkuke Maybe I'm giving the direction too much credit here, but I took his voice as slightly more calm than the situation calls for because he just left Generic Mental Institution and is probably heavily medicated. But there's also the mechanic where his anxiety seems to pique and things get fuzzy and he has to close his eyes to calm himself, so idk if it has anything to do with that or if it's just the common horror protagonist apathy. Seems like there's always a fine line between that and over-acting, but I give the actor credit for his delivery because likely he was directed to give it that way, and it's a rare occasion in an indie game where it sounded like they actually understood the lines they were reading. The bar is very low lol.
Speaking of siblings, are we going to ignore that two of the three brothers were white and the last one black? Also, two were at the same age, so their mother must have been pumping them out like a factory...
Opening claiming PTSD makes you see crazy hallucinations and get violent to the point you get put in an asylum. Great start... So much for the "great care taken." Do none of these psychological horror games read more than one cherry-picked sentence about mental illnesses? I'm not finished obviously, so I could be being too harsh, but as someone who personally has PTSD - while I understand there's a spectrum depending on the trauma - I feel pretty confident saying that a car accident does not cause psychosis symptoms. Edit: I was not wrong.
Yep, and adds more stigma to heath care of mentally ill saying you get locked up for ptsd? To the point that you aren’t allowed to even see your family? That’s just dangerous and stupid. Feels like they just went through a list of mental illnesses and picked one that hasn’t been used recently with zero research.
exactly how i feel. and although the demonization and misrepresentation of mental illness is uncomfortably normalized in indie horror games, this one feels particularly worse since the developers were self-aware enough to write a whole introductory paragraph about how they understand the seriousness of mental illness ("great care taken"). they KNOW how prevalent the misrepresentation of mental illness is in indie horror games, so much so, they felt the need to put a disclaimer - and yet they still messed it up! just ten minutes of research and they'd have a far less reductive take on ptsd. they also wouldn't have exclusively referred to mentally ill people as "mentally disturbed" individuals - so lacking in self control they need to be thrown into an asylum where they can't talk to anyone. i am honestly so done with this brand of horror game :/
"Slowly convince it that it HAS to do my bidding"? oh no no no... you have to "slowly convince convince it that it WANTS to do my bidding".. That's what manipulation is all about, now go debase that power box's existential purpose!
I’m a little more than halfway through and I gotta say I’m disappointed by yet another “hallucinations due to ___ mental illness” game. Love John’s witty banter though, so :)
I’m convinced the horror/thriller genre will never handle mental illness well. Be it games, movies, anything people will interact with, just continue to play into stereotypes and harmful misinformation. But John makes any game tolerable for sure.
@@brothersandsistersofvalhalla hello there, it simply means that games are often lazy and lump in hallucinations with any mental illness in order to include frightening or disturbing scenes in their games. They don’t do any research on mental illness and chalk everything up to “it was all in their head.” This demonizes the mental struggle and it’s extremely uncool. It’s done a lot in games these days, but a fee developers do a good job building characters like these.
@@DRUZYDAY They literally posted at the beginning of the game about their game not representing actual mental illness and people still bitched about it in the comments.
@@Deadener if you're talking about tunnel vision then yeah, adrenaline / fight or flight / panic attacks can cause you to see a lot of darkness around your eyes. But seeing your eyelids specifically, I've never really heard of that nor experienced it that I can recall. If you're curious about PTSD or cPTSD (complex PTSD) I'd recommend looking up RUclips videos on it from people who have experienced it or checking out Reddit forums.
me: i want kit harington as the voice actor my mom: we have a kit harington voice actor at home the kit harington voice actor at home: it's already quite late i have to hurry
The depiction of PTSD in this game is similar to the one in Bloober Teams "Blair Witch" - and neither are terribly accurate, though "Blair Witch" had some accurate moments. PTSD in severe cases is like trying to move on with your day / your life while also reliving a traumatic experience on loop. For some folks this means hallucinations but usually it's distraction, paranoia, anxiety, confusion, and mood swings - all of which is possible to recreate in a game, but doesn't necessarily make the game fun to play or understand. I wonder what the next big horror game mental illness of choice will be. I'm so tired of these "oops I was crazy the whole time" """twist""" endings. And there's three more chapters, when you've already got the whole story figured out? Here's an idea - make a scary game without also giving the main character a mental illness. Maybe they could be stressed and guilty instead of "insane", or forgetful with poor impulse control, or a strong believer in gang stalking and mind control. It's entirely possible to be a functional member of society and have wacky beliefs or behaviors - just as it's possible to be a diagnosed schizophrenic and still be a functional member of society. Nonetheless I'm interested in seeing the rest of this, if only to enjoy your snark and complain about the story in the comments. The park looks lovely. The news articles don't sound realistic. I'm not sure why Alex has a British accent and Sam sounds like a charming customer service pro in her 30s. The kidnapper is genuinely scary to look at, strong shades of Momo. But the game seems repetitive and slow, and I can't imagine a payoff awaits beyond "oh yeah I remembered my trauma and now I feel terrible and want to die" - which is no fun.
"i developed PTSD and bc the writers don't know what that is it's caused me to 'behave uncontrollably' ... also it's the 1920s so i was transported to a 'clinic for mentally disturbed people'"
I'm not sure if you read all the comments John, but I just want to say that I appreciate that you continue to play these horror games. I know you mentioned feeling burned out on this genre a few times now and I can understand. It's always a treat to see you upload videos, be it crappy games or stories you wrote as a kid. Your content never fails to put a smile on my face.
1:23 John already hates the game. “I have a mental disorder and it makes me see things.” John: “👀…” Ahahaahaha John hates all these indie horror games with mental illness tropes.
Well, they're very rarely made with any shred of originality or intrigue, and very often poorly misrepresent the mental illness meant to be protrayed, so... Can't blame him
You’ve been my favorite RUclips creator for over 7 years man. I always know I can click a new John video and watch start to finish enjoying every second. Thanks man!
I didn't like how the narrator described his own PTSD at all, and it made me a little skeptical about the game's statement of their respectful approach to the subject of mental illness, but I tried to step into this giving them the benefit of the doubt. It still managed to disappoint me.
That face looks familiar, like momo or that ayoki/michael jackson horror game? And stuff like not calling Sam when a rational person would call... suspension of disbelief can only be stretched to far
I feel like busywork and back and forth gives a fitting feeling of frustration from the character's PoV, but there should be a better way to have the player experience the compulsions or delusions and the resulting emotions.
Does the stabber have a Jeff the Killer face??? Or Momo??? I'm surprised that a game that supposedly depicts mental illness inoffensively didn't name the hospital. It's kinda off that it's referred to as a hospital for mentally disturbed people.
I saw it mentioned that the devs are Austrian, so as with a bunch of other strange things in the game, maybe it's a language issue and less a sensitivity issue. Not naming the place just seems like lazy writing (since it's not where it takes place, it doesn't get a name like the park) though.
@@fullofwish Not sure that's an issue. I am Swiss, not that far away from Austria. Then again, maybe I am just trying to throw some shade at our "Össi" neighbours :P
So far the only game recently that I’ve seen do PTSD and other related mental illnesses in a tasteful and fun way was “In Sound Mind”; but I mean….at least this one had a cool atmosphere. And I thought the voice acting was really good. That’s kinda where my compliments stall lol
Hey John, if you’re interested, I suggest you check out Poppy’s Playhouse. It’s a new puzzle-ish horror game that actually looks pretty good. Would love to see your reaction to it!
@@bungiecrimes7247 I’d say I hope it doesn’t go Bendy’s route, instead. I didn’t like that they hid the “this is only chapter one” line in their wall of text description instead of the title, and the first chapter was pretty short. Which is fine for an introduction, but Bendy’s seemed interesting at first too. Then it was all downhill from there and didn’t even finish off with a satisfying lore. Also happened in an old factory…
I say wait until all the chapters are out, kinda tired of these chapter by chapter games, only rlly works if they’re extremely unique like deltarune or dark deception. Poppy ain’t there yet it’s already very fnaffy in its story presentation
@@digitalization Are you talking about Poppy’s Playtime? I understand being disappointed if it carries similarities to games like Tattletail and Bendy, but that chase scene was INTENSE.
Thank you so much again, John. I got a late notification but as always wishing you the very best, to your family too and Kimmy. Thank you so much for your content and for uploading a new video. The best way to pass the covid ❤️
I don't wanna be "that guy" but I seriously wanna see Granny 3 Extreme mode... I died laughing last time at Johns reactions and I just wanna see them again. Great video by the way thanks John!
As a current mustang owner and from the land of the blighty 🇬🇧 mustangs are a little rarer (like a lot of American cars I guess) so they are a little confidence boost...Until you need fuel 🤦♀️😂 Have to say though John your English accent is on point 👍🤣🤣
Bet this is gonna be another game that totally misrepresents mental health issues. Man, this dev really doesn't know how to write a news article. 29:24 Also, that's literally the Momo face. Shouldn't it just be a regular guy?
I choose to believe that everything that doesn't make sense in the game is just because the dev completely cluelessly just thinks that's what PTSD does to you. British accent despite calling 911? PTSD makes you British. Momo guy? PTSD makes suspicious people appear to emit monkey sounds and look like momo. Bad graphics? PTSD turns off ray tracing. It's funny to imagine the dev as some bumbling buffoon who has no idea what they're writing about. More fun than the truth, which is, I assume, the dev is ignorant and misrepresenting PTSD and is just too lazy to be logical and consistent and the momo face model was cheap
Like with motorcycles. Some people get certain cars, just to look "cool" but have little to no desire to master that machine. So they end up in really bad accidents, just trying to show off. Mustangs crashing, is a meme at this point. Because they are muscle cars, they prioritize power over handling, meaning they can be very difficult to control. Especially if someone doesn't know what they are doing, has no training, and doesn't even practice or hoon in safe areas like empty parking lots, just to get used to the car. My point is, did the main character just Mustang his own sister? While she was a passenger? My favorite Mustang crash video, is when one almost loses control, than another right after it almost hits the camera guy....One distracts, the other attacks. THEY ARE EVOLVING.
"Anyone else think that Alex sounds like a really annoying person to be around?" me, whose name is Alex: :( in all seriousness, love the impressions of Alex's British accent
Never been so early that the video says no views- John thanks for make awesome content! It really cheers me up whenever I'm down, hope you're alright man!
The video title had me thinking it was gonna be like that one where the person is chasing you through the office but in a park. Which could have been kind of cool. Instead we got...this... Thanks for the video, John.
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I will never not be fascinated by the sheer, stunning incapability of indie horror game devs to write a halfway believable newspaper article.
I’m an editor, and the text and articles always make my editor brain implode a little.
Just giving a decent headline is fine and then just put scribbles or illegible writing to make it look like articles.
I mean that's legit newspapers anyway, innit?
@@headlightfluid7965 how much do you make being an editor working from your parents house out of curiosity?
@@neurohack9038 I mostly edit Wikipedia articles, but Mom gives me enough of an allowance that I never have to worry about running out of the Dew.
The killer in this game is literally that weird Japanese doll everyone's scared of, dressed as Jeff the Killer, which is jarring and funny at the same time.
I thought that too, literally just a mixture of Momo and Jeff. And time for my nightmares again.
Momo and Jeff's love child.
@@mikeosredkar8804 that’s some kind of weird fanfic someone stayed up late reading.
So the caretaker of Whine Vale park passes away and the community writes him a letter of thanks (addressed to him as if he's alive and able to read it), frames it and hangs it up in his office so that...what? Everyone can see how magnanimous they are? And then the new caretaker is constantly reminded of how much everyone loved their predecessor? I agree with John - this community sucks.
Do you think they might just need some cheese with that Whine?
@Erin C - Yes, this fictional community does suck.
"I'm going to make a phycological horror game"
*How original*
"And the twist is that its all in your head!"
*Daring today, aren't we?*
*silent hill 2 is rolling in its grave*
@@samtepal3892 The evil within did it pretty ok too.
You can’t even spell “psychological” correctly so don’t talk about someone else’s lack of originality.
@@neurohack9038 ah yes, the classic "you mispelled a word therefore everything you said is incorrect" argument used by those who coward away from any sort of criticism or responsibility, as if that invalidates anything i said. Not even sure how mispelling a word has any correlation to my ability to criticize a games originality, but youve already made it clear that youre grasping at straws trying to invalidate my comment speaking on the games very unoriginal concept.
@@ItsTickingTime I mean, that’s because The Evil Within technically takes place *literally* inside of multiple people’s minds
Damn, I didnt know that PTSD can just be countered with closing your eyes for a sec. Man, I couldve saved myself multiple psychologists and a rehab if someone had just told me, lmao.
Id say its pretty hard to faithfully recreate any kind of mental illness in a game, especially when its the main driving point of psychological horror, but Im getting pretty sick of every horror MC these days being mentally ill but the devs dont even bother to consult people who actually are afflicted by it.
calling it now at around 2 minutes in, the guy killed his sister in a car crash and it's a guilt game with a horrible misunderstanding and representation of ptsd
So …Like all the other games
I am also calling it at 1 minute 45 second in
but the monster.. was guilt!
ding ding ding
It's not that a misrepresentation more of an exaggeration.
A mustang, a car that screams confidence.
John: Ehhhh.
A car that screams "Just got my first military check"
@@bozotheclown1142 There's a reason car dealerships love military towns.
Makes since he said in the prologue he was in an accident.
Wondering what year mustang john had now..
I like how you call from a public phone, tell them where you're at, and the 911 operator is like "We can't track you so goodluck out there! bye!"
« -Do you know how to put someone in a headlock ? »
-no…
-Aight good luck booboo see ya tomorrow, maybe, xoxo »
Well, it was heavily implied that they couldn't hear anyone on his end ("If you cannot speak please give us a sign" and him asking "Can you hear me?" and them interrupting him when he starts explaining a second time).
To be fair the operator couldn't hear the character so maybe there was an interference
Whine Vale does not have enough taxpayers to warrant better emergency services 😂
"There's no spark of joy in your eyes."
Okay Marie Kondo.
"and no running"
John: immediately runs
I currently own 3 Mustangs. They scream more "I'm obnoxious and want everyone to know it" and less "confidence" lmao
have you swerved into the car show crowd yet?
Lol i love your self-awareness
@@joshuaxiong8377 No, but that joke is old enough to drive now and almost hit me
*Why do you own 3 mustangs???*
Triples is safe, triples is best
This just makes me want to go watch Psych again. >.> But really, the immediate narration about the guy having mental illness/PTSD made me roll my eyes. They couldn't have chosen a quicker way to make me uninterested in their plot.
John: confirms it isn't CJUGames then proceeds to roast the voice actor, lol. Love it.
Does sound similar xD
"This guy sounds like my buddy CJUGames, but it's not. Anyway, this guy's voice is insufferable."
Definitely gave me a hearty chuckle.
LOL 15:46
"Meet sam at the park" "uhh Sams dead so thats impossible, HELLO HI KIDNAPPER"
holy shit never change john lmao
“Where am I now…face down in the dirt”
“…she said this doesn’t hurt”
God, I love you LOL. That made me laugh.
When I was 14, a friend and I were walking down a dark path and heard someone snap a picture + saw a flash light up an area nearby. It was probably completely innocent and not related to us at all, but it scared the hell out of us. Without a word, we both just started running.
The chance of it being a pervert is higher than it being innocent. Good call on getting out of there instead of brushing it off.
Similar story, one time my friends and I were walking up the street to our house around midnight in 5th grade, when I heard a scraping noise. When I looked down the road, I saw, as a shadow under the street light, a guy half limping and dragging what I thought was a shovel up the street. I pointed it out and we all started running. Keep in mind that I had sometimes heard that same scraping noise at night before. My friends say it was an axe but I remember it being a shovel. Still have no idea what that guy was doing.
@@bungiecrimes7247 And what sort of fries?
As soon as I read the "mental illness" intro, I expected some lame stuff, is really that difficult to not mess up this on horror videogames???
30:20 Wait, the guy with the kniife, that face isn't the Momo's creepypasta? lol
yeap thats the one
Yes it is, was wondering the same thing
As someone with PTSD this game is not accurate lol. When u get flashbacks its not like a damn amnesia flashback lmao
As soon as they said PTSD was a _behavioral_ disorder I knew this was already bullshit.
Just another tropey psychological horror game, into the bin it goes
Games like this are what makes people groan at hearing "this is a psychological horror game". If it is actually all about the Mustang crash, then it's very u h h h h.
Your commentary had me laughing so hard, definitely worth subscribing.
"The whole family's missing, not just her!"
John: “Alicia twerks for God”
Me, an Alycia; “I do, actually”
30:25 how he casually quotes the lyrics to "Face Down" lol
It's the subtle quotes that John doesn't need to explain that I keep coming back for.
Yessss! Had to play the song afterwards 😅
that millenium era song is legendary. a very spirit lifting song for abused children and spouses.
The thumbnail looks like that one "I kidnapped you" game with the texting, horn, and air vents. Even if it is not by the same people, the similarity has put me in a good mood for this.
And I don't think this is the best game to say it, but in my mind, either go pure-supernatural or go pure-realistic threat. Pick one and have fun with it, don't be a coward or chose the lazy option of "It's all in your head, or was it?" There are ways to do semi-supernatural right, but most of the time, I don't like how it is done. Pick a side and at least make the ambiguity entertaining and/or reasonable.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. I kept skimming over the thumbnail because I thought it WAS that "I kidnapped you" video and I wasn't sure why RUclips kept recommending it to me all this time later. Then I realize it was a new video altogether lmao
@@matildasviper942 if it were not for the face, I would have thought the same thing!
...I think it goes without saying that almost all knowledge this game has on PTSD is wrong, but then again it's only there for a crutch. It's not like the creator of the game set out to do real research before he chose a mental illness out of a hat.
I know this shouldn't irritate me as much as it does, but it's just so lazy. Because there's a good chance that the only reason it was implemented was for the eventual "We were imagining it the whole time!" trope.
like most games that involve mental illness
Ya I have PTSD and I do not relate at all.
@@thecutecat2561 some people do relate though. The world doesn’t revolve around you
@@Halo2glitchlover22 Just like my response to the OP doesn't concern you.
@@thecutecat2561 i don’t care if you think it doesn’t concern me, I still called you out on your self centered bs 🤷♂️ just because you or the op can’t relate doesn’t mean it’s wrong or not true. Again, the world doesn’t revolve around the way you guys experience ptsd.
Alex talks about "changing his image" means his body disfiguring because of the accident. He crashed his Mustang, killed his sister and badly disfigured his face. The antagonist is his "second image", Alex after the disfiguring. And it's haunting him ever since.
The VA for Alex is decent, unfortunately the writing isn't that great. The whole Sam not being British too thing really feels like a strange choice...did these siblings grow up in different countries?
I'm also put-off by the fact that Sam sounded like an adult when she's supposed to be 16.
@@kaptainkatz1411 There's a bunch of jarring context inconsistencies that keep you from suspending disbelief for the rest of the over simplified "story", and sadly these things aren't even the biggest issues. Honestly, if the storyline had more to do with residual effects of the head trauma from his accident causing our protag to hear the voice of a strange woman that most certainly can't be his sister, while stumbling across completely unrelated serial killer stuff in a park, and not the overdone plot that he has some misrepresented ptsd/guilt demon psychosis going on, it might be more interesting.
Personally I felt like his voice actor was pretty bad too, he never sounds as worried or upset as he should given the circumstances. But I agree, the writing was not good either.
And yeah, the siblings having different accents does seem like a weird choice.
@@punkuke Maybe I'm giving the direction too much credit here, but I took his voice as slightly more calm than the situation calls for because he just left Generic Mental Institution and is probably heavily medicated. But there's also the mechanic where his anxiety seems to pique and things get fuzzy and he has to close his eyes to calm himself, so idk if it has anything to do with that or if it's just the common horror protagonist apathy. Seems like there's always a fine line between that and over-acting, but I give the actor credit for his delivery because likely he was directed to give it that way, and it's a rare occasion in an indie game where it sounded like they actually understood the lines they were reading. The bar is very low lol.
Speaking of siblings, are we going to ignore that two of the three brothers were white and the last one black? Also, two were at the same age, so their mother must have been pumping them out like a factory...
Opening claiming PTSD makes you see crazy hallucinations and get violent to the point you get put in an asylum. Great start... So much for the "great care taken." Do none of these psychological horror games read more than one cherry-picked sentence about mental illnesses?
I'm not finished obviously, so I could be being too harsh, but as someone who personally has PTSD - while I understand there's a spectrum depending on the trauma - I feel pretty confident saying that a car accident does not cause psychosis symptoms.
Edit: I was not wrong.
Absolutely agree
the same thing i was thinking, i have ptsd too and this is just a nonsense from someone who even knows what ptsd is
Yep, and adds more stigma to heath care of mentally ill saying you get locked up for ptsd? To the point that you aren’t allowed to even see your family? That’s just dangerous and stupid. Feels like they just went through a list of mental illnesses and picked one that hasn’t been used recently with zero research.
yeah its like they make jokes about us, disgusting.
exactly how i feel. and although the demonization and misrepresentation of mental illness is uncomfortably normalized in indie horror games, this one feels particularly worse since the developers were self-aware enough to write a whole introductory paragraph about how they understand the seriousness of mental illness ("great care taken"). they KNOW how prevalent the misrepresentation of mental illness is in indie horror games, so much so, they felt the need to put a disclaimer - and yet they still messed it up! just ten minutes of research and they'd have a far less reductive take on ptsd. they also wouldn't have exclusively referred to mentally ill people as "mentally disturbed" individuals - so lacking in self control they need to be thrown into an asylum where they can't talk to anyone. i am honestly so done with this brand of horror game :/
"Slowly convince it that it HAS to do my bidding"?
oh no no no... you have to "slowly convince convince it that it WANTS to do my bidding".. That's what manipulation is all about, now go debase that power box's existential purpose!
100/10 Better plot than *this* rofl
The "Alicia Twerks for God" at 9:02 has to be a throwback to the first Life Is Strange with Kate.
I’m a little more than halfway through and I gotta say I’m disappointed by yet another “hallucinations due to ___ mental illness” game. Love John’s witty banter though, so :)
I’m convinced the horror/thriller genre will never handle mental illness well. Be it games, movies, anything people will interact with, just continue to play into stereotypes and harmful misinformation. But John makes any game tolerable for sure.
@@digitalharmony26 I have hope for some indie developers, like Akuma Kira who made lost in vivo- but yeah, all the same I’m here for john haha
I have PTSD and get hallucinations sometimes so I don't know what you mean.
@@brothersandsistersofvalhalla hello there, it simply means that games are often lazy and lump in hallucinations with any mental illness in order to include frightening or disturbing scenes in their games. They don’t do any research on mental illness and chalk everything up to “it was all in their head.” This demonizes the mental struggle and it’s extremely uncool. It’s done a lot in games these days, but a fee developers do a good job building characters like these.
@@DRUZYDAY They literally posted at the beginning of the game about their game not representing actual mental illness and people still bitched about it in the comments.
I like the fact the clock on the phone actually works.
A dry-wit horror parody game starring Cjugames and John would be the best thing ever.
A John playthrough is just what I needed! Haven't heard of this one so I'm excited to see you play it :)
At the 10:00 mark... "My name is Alex Green, I'm particularly upset about something..." had me busting out in laughter. I have no clue why?
I love all the misrepresention of PTSD and can't wait for more stigma for people with ptsd! We don't get enough am I right guys? (Sarcasm)
Yup I Totally relate so hard with this that my eyes fell out after all the rolling! Honestly research is not hard...
@@bungiecrimes7247 you good dude? Seems like you're having a rough day
Is it true that people with PTSD can see the edges of their eyelids with an unsettling amount of clarity?
@@Deadener very accurate
@@Deadener if you're talking about tunnel vision then yeah, adrenaline / fight or flight / panic attacks can cause you to see a lot of darkness around your eyes. But seeing your eyelids specifically, I've never really heard of that nor experienced it that I can recall. If you're curious about PTSD or cPTSD (complex PTSD) I'd recommend looking up RUclips videos on it from people who have experienced it or checking out Reddit forums.
I can’t stop thinking about the box manipulation 😭 “Yeah you worthless power box, I’m the only one for you.”
*lights up*
me: i want kit harington as the voice actor
my mom: we have a kit harington voice actor at home
the kit harington voice actor at home: it's already quite late i have to hurry
The depiction of PTSD in this game is similar to the one in Bloober Teams "Blair Witch" - and neither are terribly accurate, though "Blair Witch" had some accurate moments.
PTSD in severe cases is like trying to move on with your day / your life while also reliving a traumatic experience on loop. For some folks this means hallucinations but usually it's distraction, paranoia, anxiety, confusion, and mood swings - all of which is possible to recreate in a game, but doesn't necessarily make the game fun to play or understand.
I wonder what the next big horror game mental illness of choice will be.
I'm so tired of these "oops I was crazy the whole time" """twist""" endings. And there's three more chapters, when you've already got the whole story figured out?
Here's an idea - make a scary game without also giving the main character a mental illness. Maybe they could be stressed and guilty instead of "insane", or forgetful with poor impulse control, or a strong believer in gang stalking and mind control. It's entirely possible to be a functional member of society and have wacky beliefs or behaviors - just as it's possible to be a diagnosed schizophrenic and still be a functional member of society.
Nonetheless I'm interested in seeing the rest of this, if only to enjoy your snark and complain about the story in the comments.
The park looks lovely. The news articles don't sound realistic. I'm not sure why Alex has a British accent and Sam sounds like a charming customer service pro in her 30s. The kidnapper is genuinely scary to look at, strong shades of Momo. But the game seems repetitive and slow, and I can't imagine a payoff awaits beyond "oh yeah I remembered my trauma and now I feel terrible and want to die" - which is no fun.
"i developed PTSD and bc the writers don't know what that is it's caused me to 'behave uncontrollably' ... also it's the 1920s so i was transported to a 'clinic for mentally disturbed people'"
I'm not sure if you read all the comments John, but I just want to say that I appreciate that you continue to play these horror games. I know you mentioned feeling burned out on this genre a few times now and I can understand. It's always a treat to see you upload videos, be it crappy games or stories you wrote as a kid. Your content never fails to put a smile on my face.
1:23 John already hates the game. “I have a mental disorder and it makes me see things.”
John: “👀…”
Ahahaahaha John hates all these indie horror games with mental illness tropes.
we need horror games with mental healthiness.
Well, they're very rarely made with any shred of originality or intrigue, and very often poorly misrepresent the mental illness meant to be protrayed, so... Can't blame him
At this point we need a horror game where the protagonist has a mental illness and DOESNT kill people at the end
Another upside is the the voice actor did a really good job reading his lines, tho coulda added a bit more emotion to the more panicked situations
You’ve been my favorite RUclips creator for over 7 years man. I always know I can click a new John video and watch start to finish enjoying every second. Thanks man!
I'm gonna make a guess right now, the real psychological horror is that he couldn't get a Mustang and had to settle for a Pinto.
Sam was in the passenger side of her best friend's ride...
Was she trying to holler at you?
@@JulesMarsTM She did, but I don't want no scrubs.
Happy you're here, happy I'm here, happy we're enjoying this play-through together, friends ❤
Yes,we friends
This comment was creepier than the video.
9:45 She heard "can't find her" and "Whine Vale Park" and went _nope_
John: "I think it's like 5 bucks"
Also John: "I don't even know how much it is"
I will always enjoy John’s psych jokes. 😂😂😂😂 …psych….
Psych is a really good show!
@@Bloomkyaaa Psych is a really good show! The first seasons are especially *chef’s kiss*
Ah yes another indie horror game where we vilify PTSD. Nonetheless, love your play through and commentary as always John ☺️
I actually get so excited when I see a new video from you, dude. Exactly what I need after a long day.
The thumbnail looks like the thing from that shitty Momo game.
oh my god john what a timing i was about to poop this is perfect
really needed to know that, THANKS
You are laughing. RUclips user POBREDIABLA was about to poop and you are laughing.
@@pinsandneedles3 i am not laughing at all.
How was your poop, it's been 49 minutes and u havnt responded r u ok
@@QueryBuns 3 hours later...there's a reason they need things to watch when they have to go, they must be on their 4th viewing of this video.
As a Brit, hearing John’s accent impression was comedy gold (can confirm we do say ‘you bellend’ but can’t say I’ve ever said ‘if it pleases you’ 😆)
I didn't like how the narrator described his own PTSD at all, and it made me a little skeptical about the game's statement of their respectful approach to the subject of mental illness, but I tried to step into this giving them the benefit of the doubt. It still managed to disappoint me.
I never knew I needed to hear John say the word “bellend” in a British accent until now 😂
That face looks familiar, like momo or that ayoki/michael jackson horror game?
And stuff like not calling Sam when a rational person would call... suspension of disbelief can only be stretched to far
I was scrolling down to see if somebody else saw that the killer is actually momo lmao
Ah you have impeccable timing John, just finished work 👌🏼
i was gunna eat mushrooms but then john clearly stated not to.
Damn John you had a Mustang?! You must have a lot of self confidence
I missed, like, 90% of the opening exposition because I was just like PTSD isn't a behavioral disorder??? I was so confused xD
Mustangs must crash, they're not called crowd killers for nothing.
I was looking forward to watching John attempt to gaslight the power box
Not sure if John realized but Emily's body bag was near her grave where he read Paul's letter right at the edge of the pond.
I feel like busywork and back and forth gives a fitting feeling of frustration from the character's PoV, but there should be a better way to have the player experience the compulsions or delusions and the resulting emotions.
Entire Family Missing.
Woman most effected.
Glad you have been uploading more recently John. Love your content.
I'm not even 3 minutes in and can already tell this video will be absolute gold
Does the stabber have a Jeff the Killer face??? Or Momo???
I'm surprised that a game that supposedly depicts mental illness inoffensively didn't name the hospital. It's kinda off that it's referred to as a hospital for mentally disturbed people.
Sounds like a nightmare(or weird creepypasta): A Jeff The Killer with a Momo mask? :D
Isn't it obvious? Jeff the Killer and Momo had a baby and a new killer was born for this story
I saw it mentioned that the devs are Austrian, so as with a bunch of other strange things in the game, maybe it's a language issue and less a sensitivity issue. Not naming the place just seems like lazy writing (since it's not where it takes place, it doesn't get a name like the park) though.
@@fullofwish Ah, I see. Thanks for the information!
@@fullofwish Not sure that's an issue. I am Swiss, not that far away from Austria. Then again, maybe I am just trying to throw some shade at our "Össi" neighbours :P
All I want for Christmas is John speaking like Alex for one whole video.
Every time John or a character said "power house" I would reflexively say "mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell."
19:20 he missed the body in a bag on the edge of the pond.
So far the only game recently that I’ve seen do PTSD and other related mental illnesses in a tasteful and fun way was “In Sound Mind”; but I mean….at least this one had a cool atmosphere. And I thought the voice acting was really good. That’s kinda where my compliments stall lol
I look forward to watching this. I'm saving his vids for a john wolfe binge day. Super stoked about the new house of ash next month.
Hey John, if you’re interested, I suggest you check out Poppy’s Playhouse. It’s a new puzzle-ish horror game that actually looks pretty good. Would love to see your reaction to it!
@@bungiecrimes7247 I’d say I hope it doesn’t go Bendy’s route, instead. I didn’t like that they hid the “this is only chapter one” line in their wall of text description instead of the title, and the first chapter was pretty short. Which is fine for an introduction, but Bendy’s seemed interesting at first too. Then it was all downhill from there and didn’t even finish off with a satisfying lore. Also happened in an old factory…
Saw Cory played it. Looks pretty good
I vote for this one next too, saw Vlad's vid would be nice to see John's reaction~
I say wait until all the chapters are out, kinda tired of these chapter by chapter games, only rlly works if they’re extremely unique like deltarune or dark deception. Poppy ain’t there yet it’s already very fnaffy in its story presentation
@@digitalization Are you talking about Poppy’s Playtime? I understand being disappointed if it carries similarities to games like Tattletail and Bendy, but that chase scene was INTENSE.
John is the most reliable and comforting gamer to watch. He deserves way more subs!
29:54 And now it actually is dad mode!
Just made food and smoked, I am so thankful for how the stars aligned this evening for a new video
I feel that. What did you make?
Same haha
@@bestunicornever404 beef ramen with enoki mushrooms 🤤 it was bomb
30:26 Oh lawd Red Jumpsuit Apparatus reference, that's Face Down
This was a great one to play through!
Excited for the next chapters.
Thanks John!
Thank you so much again, John. I got a late notification but as always wishing you the very best, to your family too and Kimmy. Thank you so much for your content and for uploading a new video. The best way to pass the covid ❤️
Your shout-out to CJU warmed the very cockles of my cold, dead heart.
John and CJU knowing each other makes me all kind of happy.
5:40 " i want to play chest , but with nobody" only true horror game fans will remember this reference
I don't wanna be "that guy" but I seriously wanna see Granny 3 Extreme mode... I died laughing last time at Johns reactions and I just wanna see them again. Great video by the way thanks John!
Thanks Harshly Wolfical, keep up the great work
This is the fastest Ive ever gotten to a video wow, so excited!
As a current mustang owner and from the land of the blighty 🇬🇧 mustangs are a little rarer (like a lot of American cars I guess) so they are a little confidence boost...Until you need fuel 🤦♀️😂
Have to say though John your English accent is on point 👍🤣🤣
Bet this is gonna be another game that totally misrepresents mental health issues.
Man, this dev really doesn't know how to write a news article.
29:24 Also, that's literally the Momo face. Shouldn't it just be a regular guy?
I choose to believe that everything that doesn't make sense in the game is just because the dev completely cluelessly just thinks that's what PTSD does to you. British accent despite calling 911? PTSD makes you British. Momo guy? PTSD makes suspicious people appear to emit monkey sounds and look like momo. Bad graphics? PTSD turns off ray tracing. It's funny to imagine the dev as some bumbling buffoon who has no idea what they're writing about. More fun than the truth, which is, I assume, the dev is ignorant and misrepresenting PTSD and is just too lazy to be logical and consistent and the momo face model was cheap
@@bigpooper4156 LMAO I like that!
For a Jeff the Killer game this wasn't terrible.
I really like the setting of this one! Walking alone in a dim park is just too relatable
"Lets call 911 just for fun it'll be funny"
Thats what 3 year old me said and then the cops came and boy did i get in trouble
9:10
Didn't realize this game was called Psych until the title screen. I thought he was making fun of the game in his video title.
+1 to the count of games that don't understand how 911 works
Like with motorcycles. Some people get certain cars, just to look "cool" but have little to no desire to master that machine.
So they end up in really bad accidents, just trying to show off. Mustangs crashing, is a meme at this point. Because they are muscle cars, they prioritize power over handling, meaning they can be very difficult to control. Especially if someone doesn't know what they are doing, has no training, and doesn't even practice or hoon in safe areas like empty parking lots, just to get used to the car.
My point is, did the main character just Mustang his own sister? While she was a passenger?
My favorite Mustang crash video, is when one almost loses control, than another right after it almost hits the camera guy....One distracts, the other attacks.
THEY ARE EVOLVING.
11:54 Oh no, he’s got us for three minutes.
The title made me think it was a puppet combo game 😂
"Anyone else think that Alex sounds like a really annoying person to be around?"
me, whose name is Alex: :(
in all seriousness, love the impressions of Alex's British accent
lol'd at 33:26. the abrupt music stop was great
Never been so early that the video says no views- John thanks for make awesome content! It really cheers me up whenever I'm down, hope you're alright man!
The video title had me thinking it was gonna be like that one where the person is chasing you through the office but in a park. Which could have been kind of cool. Instead we got...this...
Thanks for the video, John.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one that thought the narrator's voice was CJUGames at first lol. 😂😁🥰