Never heard of the 40 Super until now. Seems like the power is close to the 44 Magnum. But as an oddball cartridge it must be hard to find & expensive as well. Glad 10 mm is no longer an oddball cartridge.
Yes… However there 10mm then there’s “10mm”. The 10mm is a 200 grain bullet 1,260 FPS or greater. The “10mm” is gonna be a 180 grain at 800-950 FPS which is .40 S&W or under. So really 10mm with many factory loads isn’t true 10mm but .40 in a longer more expensive form. So if you get the good 10mm you end up paying more than for .357 sig which is actually a good equivalent to original 10mm. I still think we need a proper popular magnum semi automatic cartridge. I vote the 7.5 FK!!!
I'm no 40 Super historian but I do remember that they took .45 Winchester Mag brass and necked it down and shortened it to make 40 Super. People confuse it with the shorter 400 CorBon that was a necked down 45 ACP.
@@GoBigBoreOrGoHometry it again with water bottle full to where it starts to narrow then put cap on also milk jug with water done same way makes bottle more explosive 😃
I think the 460 Rowland far superior 8 bars heavier grain, I think the heaviest boy I seen the 40 super fire with a 220 grain at about 1300 feed a second, are the tops out at about 950 ft lb the rowland tops out at about 11:00 foot pounds
Both are quite powerful. I'm sure the .40 Super has more blast as a bottleneck round. But the .460 can handle heavier bullets 230-255 grain. Either way two high powered "automag" type of rounds. .460 probably has more stout recoil while .40 Super is more explosive from the handlers perspective.
I have a 400 corbon which I guess you could call the 40 supers little brother although it came before this particular cartridge was made. Since low data is next to impossible to find on the web I take hot 40 Smith & Wesson load data and apply it to this cartage.
Great to see my favorite round get some notice. I've been shooting 40 Super for the past 5 years. I think that with JHPs the 10mm will out perform the .40 super. Most JHP for .40 are not designed for the increased velocity of the 40 super and will expand too fast or shed a lot of the jacket. Where the 40 super makes the most sense is with heavy hard cast. It won't grenade like the JHP and will hold together and punch hard and deep in large game. I have found hardcast to be a better for that purpose than the all copper Lehigh bullets which are only 140gr compared to the 220gr Underwood that I have been using.
@andrelemalle - That has been my experience as well. The 215 grain Hawk JHP that Aria Ballistic Engineering really impressed me. That thing actually worked at the high velocities!
@Geizah Josephinè .40 super is 200+ fps faster than a 10mm across all all bullet weights in the same length barrel. That's like saying 10mm is just .40S&W
@Geizah Josephinè 40 and 10mm use the same diameter bullets and, to this point, there haven't been bullets designed specifically for the potential increased velocity of the 40 Super. So, if you're talking projectile weight, bullet weight selection is the same for both. 10mm is not "broken" it only can only do what the case capacity, and available designs of 40 caliber bullets, allow it to do. All firearms do one thing, they poke little holes in stuff. That stuff can be paper targets or game animals or human threats. The reason there are a lot of different calibers, and different bullet designs, is because each caliber has something that it can potentially do differently. It can move the bullet faster. It can shoot a lighter weight bullet or a heavier one. It can fly straighter. We try to match bullet construction to velocity, distance and the object we want to shoot. I came to the 40 Super because, for one particular application, I needed something equivalent to a hot, heavy for caliber, non expanding 10mm out of a short barrel semi auto pistol, for relatively close range (less than 30 yards). The 40 Super could give me that at reasonable chamber pressures that would not damage my gun or me.
@Geizah Josephinè I know exactly what it is, I own one! Civil liberty is a 60 grain bullet and a useless gimmick round sold to people who know absolutely nothing about ballistic performance. It has no ability to penetrate due to lack of sectional density. Retains no energy down range.
Great stuff. The 45 super came about in the same decade ish, H&K made a line of pistols that were ready for acp and super. Never caught on because of the prolifary of 9mm and the US shift from acp to 9mm. 40 super may e a great wildcat caliber.
Speaking of history..... Back in the mid-80s, while a 10mm cart was being developed, I was in discussions with J D Jones ( of "Hand Cannon" fame) about working up a .41 autoloader based on the Rem .30 rifle case. J D had, at that time, a set-up in .41 called the Avenger, IIRC; a .45acp case necked to .41 dia bullet. His conversion included bbl, springs and dies. Alas, the only stock he had remaining was for Commander length and here I was with a full size series 70..... Oh well ! So I guess there's nothing new under the sun ;) Also wondering if you've ever run testing on 10mm mag in comparison? Now *there's* a real bastard of a red headed step child! LOL Thanks
40 Super is my favorite caliber. I have a Glock 21 Long with a Barsto barrel and a Witt Machine and Tool Muzzle Brake. Shoots like a 9mm, sounds like a full sized rifle. It's way better than my 9x25 Dillon or 460 Rowland glocks. Underwood ammo sells a couple different loads of 40 Super. It isn't just cut down 45 Winmag, they had to strengthen the web at the base of the case. So it's cut down, necked down, beefed up 45 winmag.
Don't kid yourself it don't even come close to the 460 Rowland in velocity and foot pounds so give it up you should do your research before you go running mouth
@GregAlcorn It far exceeds the 460 Rowland in terms of velocity, simply because it is shooting a smaller diameter bullet which is available in lighter weights. There are loads that exceed 2000ft/s. Factory loads are close, with 40 Super just barely behind 460 in terms of muzzle energy. Both rounds top out around 1000ft/lbs in factory ammunition. I'm not sure if you are confusing 40S&W with 40 Super. 40 Super is basically 460 Rowland necked down to 10mm. I own both, 460 Rowland and 40 Super, so it's not like I'm some fan boy and we're having a 9 vs 40 debate. They're both excellent rounds. They both use cut down 45 Wnchester Magnum brass, with the 40 Super being just a tiny bit longer. 460 uses Large Magnum Pistol Primers, while 40 Super uses Small Magnum Pistol Primers or Small Rifle Primers. 40 Super also has a thicker case near the rim. They are pretty similar to the discussion of 40S&W vs 357 Sig, or 9x25 Dillon vs 10mm.
I LOVE THIS CARTRIDGE! This is the most powerful cartridge you can chamber in a service sized pistol.(including the .460 Rowland) I have several boxes of the original Triton 165gr hollow points and I think they hold up a little better than the 155gr but are still explosive. I shot a woodchuck @ 40 yds and 2" in it left a softball sized hole the rest of the way through. His insides were liquified! I also got a decent stockpile of ammo from an estate with 40 155gr, 150 165gr 200 200gr jhp from Triton and a bunch of 135, 155, 200, and 220gr underwood in 50rd boxes. It's all considerably hotter than any recent mfg .40 super I've found. But it appears I'll have to look into this Hawk bullet load! My gun is a custom 1911 built on a Stainless Milspec and is good for 1" @25 yds with loads it likes. This video got me so excited I'm gonna have to go shoot it again.
Already been done. Everyone forgets the .400 cor bon. Around the same velocities (+-). Never became a SAAMI standard though. So I guess this one must be worth the uber added cost.
in the beginning of the video you had something that said this content is absolutely not for children. i disagree, i think this is far more appropriate for children than anything disney or even public schools are teaching and showing kids these days. this is awesome for kids, it could spark an interest in ballistics and get them interested in physics and teach them something along the way while keeping their interest. i'm 30 now, i was 4 when i started shooting and not long after i got very interested in ballistics mainly by reading on ammo boxes the advertised velocity and energy, and i was 8 by the time i was learning to gunsmith in my dad's FFL shop, and probably a few years after that as a teenager i got more into ballistics and started researching and understanding the subject better. great video man, and i think it's great content for kids. if i had a kid i'd rather them see this than watch some of this woke crap that's meant for kids to consume these days
He's saying that in order to cover his ass so to absolutely prove to youtube that his vids aren't for children, since youtube has different rules for kids videos.
@@Hammerback0 that's awesome, we need to normalize teaching kids to shoot and be safe with guns. when i was growing up and was a teenager during that period of men's lives when we tend to have idiot friends, there were 3 times i was at other kid's houses and they went and grabbed one of their parent's guns to show off to other kids and started playing with them and they were loaded. i cleared them and ended up teaching those kids how to clear them and be safe with them and now i'm a firm believer that's always good information for everyone to have
I love heavy recoil. You pushing the bullet Beyond its specifications. It is literally just flying apart. Forget the hollow points. Try-hard cast or maybe Lehigh solid copper
Looks awesome but I'd be worried about cracking the Glock frame. I've personally seen 2 Glock 40s break frames... A g22 and a g23 both with factory jhp duty ammo
Was the recoil spring upgraded? Those Glocks use the 9mm recoil spring, same part number. When I started reloading for my G22 I noticed the slide hammering the frame once rounds started getting even a little bit spicy. Went to a 22lb spring and it runs good now.
One Big Bore round I had high hopes for was the .41 Action Express. If I recall correctly only two pistols were ever chambered for the round. One was a "Baby Desert Eagle" and the other was a "GI" CZ75 clone....And I wanted that .41AE CZ75 clone badly but the best I could do was a version in 9 Minimal which I did not keep for very long because a pristine, used, Smith Compact DAO chambered in .40S&W showed up at my favorite gun store of the era.....I still have the Smith and have long trusted my life to it.
I have a 10mm GP100 Match Champion. Shoots 40SW no problem. May have to try this ammunition. 10mm magnum exists, but the headspace is different and it won't fit in the cylinder. This might be my solution to having a "magnum" power round in my revolver. Thanks for the video.
Gary reeder in flagstaff az pushed the chambers on my gp 100 to 10mm magnum. Starline makes the brass h110 and magnum pistol primers and your in business. I also have some 41mag brass squeezed down to .401 herters dimensions I'll trim those to 10mm mag length and have rimmed cases.
The 41 Avenger was created back in the 80s from 451 Detonics brass, using 41 magnum bullets. 170 grain Sierra HPs were going around 1200. Plus they already had a cannuluer for crimping then in. But it was a wildcat only round, hopefully someone today will load it considering the flury of cartridges being marketed today.
Forget water bottles, I think ballistic gel is much better for showing terminal ballistic performance. Just my opinion, I know that stuff's expensive, you do what you want. Still a cool video about an awesome cartridge. 👍
Bottlenecked pistol cartridges never do seem to become very popular, just too costly and also more work to reload and people prefer to keep things fast and simple reloading pistol rounds. Cool as hell round though, it's got some punch. G20 owner and handloader myself, my favorite recipe being Starline brass, 155gn XTP, and 11gn IMR 800X. 800X loves it some 155XTP's, that's for sure.
Bottle neck ... heard of it .. but never seen it.. It is a interesting cartridge . Reminds me of the 357 sig as far as looks go .. This may be a good cartridge for bear country. Lots of people use 10mm auto in bear country in semi auto This may be a game changer especially in special hard cast ammo. Close to the 44 mag ..
If I had to guess I'd say .400Corbon . Both seemed to roll out around the same period. Peter Pi started, ran Corbon. I liked the ballistics of the new .40Super . It really never got any industry support. Gun makers.
In the 1990s; specs for .40Super gave it a slight edge over .357sig but SIG, Glock, S&W, HK etc were "all in" on the fast .357sig round. I myself liked .40Super but no major gun firms really supported it. I'd add .40Super rounds fed, cycle better than 1990s era 10mm too.
Still say the .38 Super is the best all around caliber on the market. It is essentially a 9 MM Magnum and the recoil from a medium to large frame handgun is very manageable, haven't tried it in a sub compact or micro compact handgun but I imagine the recoil would be very manageable. I still need to collect ALL the Super caliber handguns just to have them.
What about 356 TSW? Lengthened 9MM loaded to 50 kpsi max, and supposedly can match some loadings of 357 sig from a standard 9mm frame, given the gun can withstand the increased pressures.
I was thinking, 10mm bigger brother would be the new .400 Legend, in the same way that .444 Marlin is the bigger brother of .44 magnum (.445 SuperMag in between, honorable mention). Sort of.
Very rare and expensive ammo to buy. Another one is the 9x25 Dillon. Very similar and one step down power-wise. Underwood is one of the only ones that still makes these rounds. Great choice if looking for a very powerful and rare wildcat pistol cartridge.
I would say the 10mm is more like a special , so definitely could use a magnum ! So for me a 10mm magnum carbine that can also shoot 10mm , and 10mm short . Similar to the .22 rimfires lineup or .357 magnum .
Nice! Just like the .357SIG is the 9mm's BIG BROTHER, that can be fired out of the Glock 20/29/40 via a barrel swap. So too, will the .40 SUPER, but to the Glock 21.
Before you get to mentioning .44 Magnum, you should first be saying that it is close to .357 Magnum. The .44 Magnum is a few weight classes above this one. So it is getting close to .357 Magnum. BUFFALO BORE HEAVY 357 MAG 180 gr. JHP (1,500fps/M.E. 899 ft. lbs.) Actual ballistics as Tim keeps it super real.
I’ve got a G29 with a 4.7” KKM barrel- I’m getting 1230-1260fps out of factory Double Tap 200gr JHP’s. Also seeing up to 1670fps out of 115gr extreme defenders. It would be an understatement to say that not all 10mm is created equal- there’s plenty of lazy factory loadings out there but “full-power” 10mm with a good bullet is bussing. This seems like a cool idea- would probably make for a nasty hard cast hand load.
I was looking into this round before I opted for the .460 Rowland (230gr @ 1400FPS = 1,000 ft.-lbs). I believe the magazine capacity is the same. My only reasoning was the straight-wall case (I have some aversion to reloading bottleneck cases). I couldn't be more impressed.
I have a Encore pistol 10" barrel made by SSK in 40-454. Take the 454 Casull full length case, and neck it to 10mm. Brutal recoil with 180 gr bullets, but so much fun.
.40 Super rolled out in the mid 1990s. There was a large glut of .40/9mm/10mm wonder rounds that different gun makers, ammunition engineers were saying how super fantastic they were; .41AE, .400corbon, 9x23mm, .357sig, .40S&W, .40Super, 10mm, .356TSW, .38Super. Vel, KE levels, bullet shapes were all impressive ✔️ but few held up over time. I thought the .40Super offered a lot but never got the big push or guns to see it get more support.
Never heard of this thing. This cartridge is a frickin hammer and I can't believe how hard it hits. If I spent a lot of time in Alaska and needed grizzly protection I would have a long slide Glock chambered in this with hard cast bullets. I wonder what big revolver this is closest to in performance? I need to look up the history on this thing. I hope it starts getting popular.
When I see the head like I knew some stupid ignorant mother F er was going to make some claim this is a new home defense handgun bear gun to go to Alaska to hunt brown bears. Only dumb asses from the lower 48 things handguns are used to hunt bears in Alaska .
The 40 Super is a fantastic cartridge that I wish had been more popular. Instead it is for the most part a reloaders cartridge. Its' advantage in vleocity is also its disadvantage as there are very few bullets that can stay together at the velocities it can obtain. It suffers from lack of suitable bullets in the same way as all of the great high performance .451 diameter cartridges such as the 460 Rowland, 45 Win Mag and 450 SMC. This is because bullet manufacturers (for the most part) design their .451 cal bullets for the 45 ACP which cannot attain the velocities of the higher performance cartridges
Never heard of the .40 Super and I think that the .38 Super is the only handgun round I can think of with Super in the name but the jury is out if .38 Super ACP is technically a different round from the .38 ACP not to be confused with the .380 ACP AKA 9mm Short!
I think you misspelled ".400 Cor-Bon". I was hitting 1400 f/s with a 130-gr cast bullet and Green Dot back in 1997 with an unsupported stock-ramp 1911.
I am just asking but the bullet weights seem to light vs the .44 mag. Your not gonna do a quick follow up so case capacity would matter. So a heavier bullet would be better even with less of them. Just my thoughts.
10mm. Been a fan since mid 90's and I'll stay a fan
Never heard of the 40 Super until now. Seems like the power is close to the 44 Magnum. But as an oddball cartridge it must be hard to find & expensive as well. Glad 10 mm is no longer an oddball cartridge.
Underwood Ammo sells them
More like the .41 magnum
it sounds like 460 Rowland
Yes… However there 10mm then there’s “10mm”. The 10mm is a 200 grain bullet 1,260 FPS or greater. The “10mm” is gonna be a 180 grain at 800-950 FPS which is .40 S&W or under.
So really 10mm with many factory loads isn’t true 10mm but .40 in a longer more expensive form.
So if you get the good 10mm you end up paying more than for .357 sig which is actually a good equivalent to original 10mm.
I still think we need a proper popular magnum semi automatic cartridge. I vote the 7.5 FK!!!
9x25 dillon is available in conversions and surpasses 357 sig 😊. Almost identical case capacity as well to 7.5fk
Can't believe I've never heard of this round. Looks like it slaps that steal pretty hard.
Looks like the .40 Super is to the .40 S&W and 10mm what the .460 Rowland is to the .45 ACP and 45 Super, impressive!
Like to see a comparison between .40 Super and .460 Rowland.
Was kinda hoping you'd have an inside segment discussing this history of this cartridge.
I'm no 40 Super historian but I do remember that they took .45 Winchester Mag brass and necked it down and shortened it to make 40 Super. People confuse it with the shorter 400 CorBon that was a necked down 45 ACP.
@Courier-Six - I'm actually working on it as we speak!
@@GoBigBoreOrGoHometry it again with water bottle full to where it starts to narrow then put cap on also milk jug with water done same way makes bottle more explosive 😃
I hadn't heard about this cartridge, but kinda digging it! Good video bro! 👍
@Ben Neuls - Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. The .40 Super is a fun round to shoot!
.460 rowland is similar. 230 grain @ 1400 fps, 185 @ 1575 fps.
I think the 460 Rowland far superior 8 bars heavier grain, I think the heaviest boy I seen the 40 super fire with a 220 grain at about 1300 feed a second, are the tops out at about 950 ft lb the rowland tops out at about 11:00 foot pounds
So basically it's a souped-up .400 Corbon in a stouter case. Which is pretty cool; sort of the .400 Corbon that should have been.
.400 corbon deserved so much more.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Yes apparently a bit longer than the 400 Corbon
What's more powerful 40 super or 460 Rowland?
Both are quite powerful. I'm sure the .40 Super has more blast as a bottleneck round. But the .460 can handle heavier bullets 230-255 grain. Either way two high powered "automag" type of rounds. .460 probably has more stout recoil while .40 Super is more explosive from the handlers perspective.
Cool,40,super
There may be some great bullet options coming for this cartridge with the 400 Legend coming to market.
@sixtofive - That's a really great point. Let's hope so!
400 lgnd? 👀 thats news to me
Muzzle flip is crazy.
I have a 400 corbon which I guess you could call the 40 supers little brother although it came before this particular cartridge was made. Since low data is next to impossible to find on the web I take hot 40 Smith & Wesson load data and apply it to this cartage.
That .40 super makes shit disappear like a rifle round, impressive! 👍
Great to see my favorite round get some notice. I've been shooting 40 Super for the past 5 years. I think that with JHPs the 10mm will out perform the .40 super. Most JHP for .40 are not designed for the increased velocity of the 40 super and will expand too fast or shed a lot of the jacket. Where the 40 super makes the most sense is with heavy hard cast. It won't grenade like the JHP and will hold together and punch hard and deep in large game. I have found hardcast to be a better for that purpose than the all copper Lehigh bullets which are only 140gr compared to the 220gr Underwood that I have been using.
The Hornady XTP's hold up very well but definitely expand more than they do at 10mm velocities.
@andrelemalle - That has been my experience as well. The 215 grain Hawk JHP that Aria Ballistic Engineering really impressed me. That thing actually worked at the high velocities!
@Geizah Josephinè .40 super is 200+ fps faster than a 10mm across all all bullet weights in the same length barrel. That's like saying 10mm is just .40S&W
@Geizah Josephinè 40 and 10mm use the same diameter bullets and, to this point, there haven't been bullets designed specifically for the potential increased velocity of the 40 Super. So, if you're talking projectile weight, bullet weight selection is the same for both. 10mm is not "broken" it only can only do what the case capacity, and available designs of 40 caliber bullets, allow it to do. All firearms do one thing, they poke little holes in stuff. That stuff can be paper targets or game animals or human threats. The reason there are a lot of different calibers, and different bullet designs, is because each caliber has something that it can potentially do differently. It can move the bullet faster. It can shoot a lighter weight bullet or a heavier one. It can fly straighter. We try to match bullet construction to velocity, distance and the object we want to shoot. I came to the 40 Super because, for one particular application, I needed something equivalent to a hot, heavy for caliber, non expanding 10mm out of a short barrel semi auto pistol, for relatively close range (less than 30 yards). The 40 Super could give me that at reasonable chamber pressures that would not damage my gun or me.
@Geizah Josephinè I know exactly what it is, I own one! Civil liberty is a 60 grain bullet and a useless gimmick round sold to people who know absolutely nothing about ballistic performance. It has no ability to penetrate due to lack of sectional density. Retains no energy down range.
I remember when the 400 CorBon came out, this beats the hell out of it!
I would love to see the 40 super vs the 460 Rowland 🔥🔥🔥💥💥💥
460 Rowland hands down
Heavier grain bullets at the same velocity
The 40 super can't even come close to the 460 rolling man 460 rolling 230 grains on 1475 255 going 1350 185 grain going 1600 ft a second Underwood
As a lifelong lover of that Food of the Gods, Spam, my reaction to your act of Barbarism, is mirrored by Col. Kurtz's, "The Horror!, The Horror!"
Did a 400 corbon conversion on one of my 1911s about 6mo ago and it's fun. It looks like I have new goals now.
Im happy with the 460, looks cool tho 😎
Great stuff. The 45 super came about in the same decade ish, H&K made a line of pistols that were ready for acp and super. Never caught on because of the prolifary of 9mm and the US shift from acp to 9mm. 40 super may e a great wildcat caliber.
It never caught on because the inventor of 45Super wanted royalties from every ammunition manufacturer.
Man, you channel is awesome, you deserve more. Thanks a lot and let shot big bore
holy mackerel, you can see the sheer power of that round when it hits the steel
Speaking of history.....
Back in the mid-80s, while a 10mm cart was being developed, I was in discussions with J D Jones ( of "Hand Cannon" fame) about working up a .41 autoloader based on the Rem .30 rifle case. J D had, at that time, a set-up in .41 called the Avenger, IIRC; a .45acp case necked to .41 dia bullet. His conversion included bbl, springs and dies. Alas, the only stock he had remaining was for Commander length and here I was with a full size series 70.....
Oh well !
So I guess there's nothing new under the sun ;)
Also wondering if you've ever run testing on 10mm mag in comparison? Now *there's* a real bastard of a red headed step child! LOL
Thanks
40 Super is my favorite caliber. I have a Glock 21 Long with a Barsto barrel and a Witt Machine and Tool Muzzle Brake. Shoots like a 9mm, sounds like a full sized rifle. It's way better than my 9x25 Dillon or 460 Rowland glocks.
Underwood ammo sells a couple different loads of 40 Super. It isn't just cut down 45 Winmag, they had to strengthen the web at the base of the case. So it's cut down, necked down, beefed up 45 winmag.
Don't kid yourself it don't even come close to the 460 Rowland in velocity and foot pounds so give it up you should do your research before you go running mouth
@GregAlcorn It far exceeds the 460 Rowland in terms of velocity, simply because it is shooting a smaller diameter bullet which is available in lighter weights. There are loads that exceed 2000ft/s. Factory loads are close, with 40 Super just barely behind 460 in terms of muzzle energy. Both rounds top out around 1000ft/lbs in factory ammunition.
I'm not sure if you are confusing 40S&W with 40 Super. 40 Super is basically 460 Rowland necked down to 10mm.
I own both, 460 Rowland and 40 Super, so it's not like I'm some fan boy and we're having a 9 vs 40 debate. They're both excellent rounds.
They both use cut down 45 Wnchester Magnum brass, with the 40 Super being just a tiny bit longer. 460 uses Large Magnum Pistol Primers, while 40 Super uses Small Magnum Pistol Primers or Small Rifle Primers. 40 Super also has a thicker case near the rim.
They are pretty similar to the discussion of 40S&W vs 357 Sig, or 9x25 Dillon vs 10mm.
Great video. Another great cartridge that never got its due.
I LOVE THIS CARTRIDGE! This is the most powerful cartridge you can chamber in a service sized pistol.(including the .460 Rowland) I have several boxes of the original Triton 165gr hollow points and I think they hold up a little better than the 155gr but are still explosive. I shot a woodchuck @ 40 yds and 2" in it left a softball sized hole the rest of the way through. His insides were liquified! I also got a decent stockpile of ammo from an estate with 40 155gr, 150 165gr 200 200gr jhp from Triton and a bunch of 135, 155, 200, and 220gr underwood in 50rd boxes. It's all considerably hotter than any recent mfg .40 super I've found. But it appears I'll have to look into this Hawk bullet load! My gun is a custom 1911 built on a Stainless Milspec and is good for 1" @25 yds with loads it likes. This video got me so excited I'm gonna have to go shoot it again.
Just reload for that. Easy peasy
@@davisjames8484 I already reload it
Read the specs it's not even close to the 460 rowland
The 40 Soopers not more powerful than the 460 Rowland read your specs before you go running your mouth
Great show of the effect of this cartridge. I await more because this can't be the end of it. Thanks for going through that for us
Awesome round awesome video!
Already been done. Everyone forgets the .400 cor bon. Around the same velocities (+-). Never became a SAAMI standard though. So I guess this one must be worth the uber added cost.
Awesome and fun as always. You can hear the power of the .40 Super. Incredible.
Sounds a lot like the 400 Cor-Bon, a 40 caliber bullet in a necked down 45 ACP case to produce 10MM ballistics.
in the beginning of the video you had something that said this content is absolutely not for children. i disagree, i think this is far more appropriate for children than anything disney or even public schools are teaching and showing kids these days. this is awesome for kids, it could spark an interest in ballistics and get them interested in physics and teach them something along the way while keeping their interest. i'm 30 now, i was 4 when i started shooting and not long after i got very interested in ballistics mainly by reading on ammo boxes the advertised velocity and energy, and i was 8 by the time i was learning to gunsmith in my dad's FFL shop, and probably a few years after that as a teenager i got more into ballistics and started researching and understanding the subject better. great video man, and i think it's great content for kids. if i had a kid i'd rather them see this than watch some of this woke crap that's meant for kids to consume these days
He's saying that in order to cover his ass so to absolutely prove to youtube that his vids aren't for children, since youtube has different rules for kids videos.
My kids (all below age 4) are already more educated on gun safety than most (9/10) millennials today
@@bigt9745 no other guntuber has to do that to stay monetized, but i get what you're saying
@@Hammerback0 that's awesome, we need to normalize teaching kids to shoot and be safe with guns. when i was growing up and was a teenager during that period of men's lives when we tend to have idiot friends, there were 3 times i was at other kid's houses and they went and grabbed one of their parent's guns to show off to other kids and started playing with them and they were loaded. i cleared them and ended up teaching those kids how to clear them and be safe with them and now i'm a firm believer that's always good information for everyone to have
Enjoyed the video. The different angles in slow-mo were a nice touch.
I love heavy recoil. You pushing the bullet Beyond its specifications. It is literally just flying apart. Forget the hollow points. Try-hard cast or maybe Lehigh solid copper
I still love that old timer 7.62x25. No recoil and it’s a speedster and flat shooting. I wish they would make it n a modern firearm.
It's a wonderful cartridge, and in an accurate platform, it could really shine!
Former owner of a cz-52, sure miss it!
Would the 30 Super Carry be a reasonable comparison ?
@@Robb-n1t possibly, it’s probably more easier to find 7.62x25 ammo then it is to find the Super Carry nowadays and it’s probably cheaper.
Thank you for all the hard work!!
I've been checking on you for a new video and this nailed it, very cool!
Looks awesome but I'd be worried about cracking the Glock frame. I've personally seen 2 Glock 40s break frames... A g22 and a g23 both with factory jhp duty ammo
Was the recoil spring upgraded? Those Glocks use the 9mm recoil spring, same part number. When I started reloading for my G22 I noticed the slide hammering the frame once rounds started getting even a little bit spicy. Went to a 22lb spring and it runs good now.
@@RBslowman they were both bone stock guns as per the dept regs.
One Big Bore round I had high hopes for was the .41 Action Express. If I recall correctly only two pistols were ever chambered for the round. One was a "Baby Desert Eagle" and the other was a "GI" CZ75 clone....And I wanted that .41AE CZ75 clone badly but the best I could do was a version in 9 Minimal which I did not keep for very long because a pristine, used, Smith Compact DAO chambered in .40S&W showed up at my favorite gun store of the era.....I still have the Smith and have long trusted my life to it.
It was the Jericho 41 ae…. I had one and it was crap!!! Kept blowing the front site loose and jamming!! Traded for a Glock .
Great video!
I have a 10mm GP100 Match Champion. Shoots 40SW no problem. May have to try this ammunition. 10mm magnum exists, but the headspace is different and it won't fit in the cylinder. This might be my solution to having a "magnum" power round in my revolver. Thanks for the video.
Gary reeder in flagstaff az pushed the chambers on my gp 100 to 10mm magnum. Starline makes the brass h110 and magnum pistol primers and your in business. I also have some 41mag brass squeezed down to .401 herters dimensions I'll trim those to 10mm mag length and have rimmed cases.
The 41 Avenger was created back in the 80s from 451 Detonics brass, using 41 magnum bullets. 170 grain Sierra HPs were going around 1200. Plus they already had a cannuluer for crimping then in. But it was a wildcat only round, hopefully someone today will load it considering the flury of cartridges being marketed today.
At least the 41 cal bullets designed for extreme velocities.
Now I need to buy a new barrel. That looks like a fun round.
A good presentation. The 40 Super lives up to its' name! I subscribed to your channel. Good Luck!
Forget water bottles, I think ballistic gel is much better for showing terminal ballistic performance. Just my opinion, I know that stuff's expensive, you do what you want. Still a cool video about an awesome cartridge. 👍
This 40 super amazing second time seeing. The Turkey's Opinion has a video up from a bit ago. Cooked up some home brew aswell👍👍👍
Bottlenecked pistol cartridges never do seem to become very popular, just too costly and also more work to reload and people prefer to keep things fast and simple reloading pistol rounds. Cool as hell round though, it's got some punch. G20 owner and handloader myself, my favorite recipe being Starline brass, 155gn XTP, and 11gn IMR 800X. 800X loves it some 155XTP's, that's for sure.
Long live the 357 sig!
The thing about a bottleneck round is flawless reliabilty, that's why I edc a 357 sig
We still have a box left of .400 corbon which similar 45acp necked down to .40.
Soo.....there will be even less of this than 40 s&w on the shelfves>>>>noted.
I'm amazed at the amount of cartridges I have never seen.
Fantastic footage
Does it fall in the same "box" as the .41 AE?
dig the t shirts and the spam slow mo shots sick content
The.40 Super anything like the 400 Corbon? 🤔
I remember the creation of the .357 Dreadnaught, based n the .45 ACP.
Pretty cool cartridge
So much for the brass catcher all of those went flying up and over
Bottle neck ...
heard of it .. but never seen it..
It is a interesting cartridge . Reminds me of the 357 sig as far as looks go ..
This may be a good cartridge for bear country.
Lots of people use 10mm auto in bear country in semi auto
This may be a game changer especially in special hard cast ammo.
Close to the 44 mag
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Another big boy pistol round!! Looking forward to the gel block & chrono results.
Thank you for this video. Subscribed.
The .40 Super sounds like a very interesting cartridge.
Which came first , the 40 Super or the .400 Cor Bon ? I bought a .400 Cor Bon conversion barrel for my Springfield 1911 in the mid 1990's in Phoenix .
@Roha Waha - The .40 Super. It was released in 1996. The .400 Cor-Bon was 1 year later in 1997.
@@GoBigBoreOrGoHome Thanks for the reply .
If I had to guess I'd say .400Corbon . Both seemed to roll out around the same period. Peter Pi started, ran Corbon. I liked the ballistics of the new .40Super . It really never got any industry support. Gun makers.
First time ever hearing about a .40 Super !!!! Wonder how it stacks up with the .357 Sig ??? That would be a good duel
In the 1990s; specs for .40Super gave it a slight edge over .357sig but SIG, Glock, S&W, HK etc were "all in" on the fast .357sig round. I myself liked .40Super but no major gun firms really supported it. I'd add .40Super rounds fed, cycle better than 1990s era 10mm too.
Quite the cartridge!
A carbine size semi, or bolt action would be a dandy!
Still say the .38 Super is the best all around caliber on the market. It is essentially a 9 MM Magnum and the recoil from a medium to large frame handgun is very manageable, haven't tried it in a sub compact or micro compact handgun but I imagine the recoil would be very manageable. I still need to collect ALL the Super caliber handguns just to have them.
I love the 38 super in my colt 1911. Like a laser!
What about 356 TSW? Lengthened 9MM loaded to 50 kpsi max, and supposedly can match some loadings of 357 sig from a standard 9mm frame, given the gun can withstand the increased pressures.
What about the 10mm mag?
I was thinking, 10mm bigger brother would be the new .400 Legend, in the same way that .444 Marlin is the bigger brother of .44 magnum (.445 SuperMag in between, honorable mention). Sort of.
Excellent description
It would actually be a big brother to the .400 Cor-Bon.
Never heard of this before. Looks like an impressive thing to have in a service handgun sized package.
You sent every piece of brass straight over that brass net😂
Very rare and expensive ammo to buy. Another one is the 9x25 Dillon. Very similar and one step down power-wise. Underwood is one of the only ones that still makes these rounds. Great choice if looking for a very powerful and rare wildcat pistol cartridge.
My cz might have a 40 super barrel available because I know the manual says available in 357 sig maybe they have it I hope
I would say the 10mm is more like a special , so definitely could use a magnum ! So for me a 10mm magnum carbine that can also shoot 10mm , and 10mm short . Similar to the .22 rimfires lineup or .357 magnum .
That looks fun
Nice! Just like the .357SIG is the 9mm's BIG BROTHER, that can be fired out of the Glock 20/29/40 via a barrel swap. So too, will the .40 SUPER, but to the Glock 21.
If it has speed, it should be made with Lehigh XtremePenetrator tip for maximum penetration and cavity
Before you get to mentioning .44 Magnum, you should first be saying that it is close to .357 Magnum. The .44 Magnum is a few weight classes above this one. So it is getting close to .357 Magnum.
BUFFALO BORE HEAVY 357 MAG
180 gr. JHP (1,500fps/M.E. 899 ft. lbs.)
Actual ballistics as Tim keeps it super real.
He must be thinking of a 460 Rowland
I’ve got a G29 with a 4.7” KKM barrel- I’m getting 1230-1260fps out of factory Double Tap 200gr JHP’s. Also seeing up to 1670fps out of 115gr extreme defenders. It would be an understatement to say that not all 10mm is created equal- there’s plenty of lazy factory loadings out there but “full-power” 10mm with a good bullet is bussing. This seems like a cool idea- would probably make for a nasty hard cast hand load.
I was looking into this round before I opted for the .460 Rowland (230gr @ 1400FPS = 1,000 ft.-lbs). I believe the magazine capacity is the same. My only reasoning was the straight-wall case (I have some aversion to reloading bottleneck cases). I couldn't be more impressed.
Reminds me of another old pistol cartridge, the 400 Corbon.
Any thoughts on updating the old .50 Navy Centerfire cartridge
I'm curious why the Spam cans both bounced forward, toward the shooter ... Second shooter from the Grassy Knoll?
I have a Encore pistol 10" barrel made by SSK in 40-454. Take the 454 Casull full length case, and neck it to 10mm. Brutal recoil with 180 gr bullets, but so much fun.
Reminds me of the 440 corbon.
.40 Super rolled out in the mid 1990s. There was a large glut of .40/9mm/10mm wonder rounds that different gun makers, ammunition engineers were saying how super fantastic they were; .41AE, .400corbon, 9x23mm, .357sig, .40S&W, .40Super, 10mm, .356TSW, .38Super. Vel, KE levels, bullet shapes were all impressive ✔️ but few held up over time. I thought the .40Super offered a lot but never got the big push or guns to see it get more support.
That cartridge is reminiscent of the Sig 357.
Never heard of this thing. This cartridge is a frickin hammer and I can't believe how hard it hits. If I spent a lot of time in Alaska and needed grizzly protection I would have a long slide Glock chambered in this with hard cast bullets. I wonder what big revolver this is closest to in performance? I need to look up the history on this thing. I hope it starts getting popular.
When I see the head like I knew some stupid ignorant mother F er was going to make some claim this is a new home defense handgun bear gun to go to Alaska to hunt brown bears.
Only dumb asses from the lower 48 things handguns are used to hunt bears in Alaska .
Good vid! Thanks.
Well now, that might actually get up to .41 mag speeds.
How fast is a 41 mag?
Lol lighter, slower bullets.
@@bobjohnson1633 'Lol'... Okay, Zoomer 😁
Quite a can opener you've got there.
The 429. Desert eagle comes to my mind watching this. Lol different cartridges, but I like this 40 super 👌 very cool 😎
Looks like an ideal smg/pcc candidate!
These things look pretty good, I would like to do some of my own wild-cat stuff.
The 40 Super is a fantastic cartridge that I wish had been more popular. Instead it is for the most part a reloaders cartridge. Its' advantage in vleocity is also its disadvantage as there are very few bullets that can stay together at the velocities it can obtain.
It suffers from lack of suitable bullets in the same way as all of the great high performance .451 diameter cartridges such as the 460 Rowland, 45 Win Mag and 450 SMC. This is because bullet manufacturers (for the most part) design their .451 cal bullets for the 45 ACP which cannot attain the velocities of the higher performance cartridges
Where can I find reloading data???
Oh man this would make a great Carbine/Rifle caliber!! Very exciting!!
Never heard of the .40 Super and I think that the .38 Super is the only handgun round I can think of with Super in the name but the jury is out if .38 Super ACP is technically a different round from the .38 ACP not to be confused with the .380 ACP AKA 9mm Short!
There's a .45 super as well. Another great cartridge in its own right.
450smc is better than the super
I think you misspelled ".400 Cor-Bon". I was hitting 1400 f/s with a 130-gr cast bullet and Green Dot back in 1997 with an unsupported stock-ramp 1911.
Looks cool, hits very hard so A+. Recoil/muzzle flip at least with the glocks...not so much. Bow thus in my kriss vector enhanced...yes please
I am just asking but the bullet weights seem to light vs the .44 mag.
Your not gonna do a quick follow up so case capacity would matter.
So a heavier bullet would be better even with less of them. Just my thoughts.