Skoda Octavia Mk 3 Stuck Fuel Flap
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- This is how I opened my stuck fuel filler flap on my 2013 Octavia 2.0 TDi.
Before you break yours, take a look at this video, it may assist you: • Change of stuck fuel l...
It was not the outcome I was hoping for, I scratched the paint and broke the back of the flap (part number 5E0809702B)! It's a shoddy design with no emergency release mechanism.
Note that you do not need to remove the boot lining, I only did this to see if I could access the lock from the back, but you cannot. Just work on the lock from the outside of the car.
The part number on the lock motor assembly is 7P0800733D (this has been superseded by 7P0800733F). I have seen parts that look identical to this on Amazon that list the same part number but they have an emergency release wire that you can run into the boot (8F0862153E). That's probably what I'll buy as a replacement, alternatively I may just leave the latch unlocked and not plug in the electric connector so that it cannot end up locked shut again.
Skoda engineers... Simply clever :) Thanks for for help
OK I have a very simply fix once you understand what the issue is. The rotating shaft has an o- ring behind to prevent ingress of water to the electrical lock portion. After 5 years or so it gets dry and binds the shaft with dust and grit. Solution is simply, get a cotton bud and apply some brake fluid to the shaft then operate it in and out to lubricate the O-ring. Problem solved. This assumes the central lock mechanism is working with the fuel door (test operation prior)
The problem is, no matter the root cause, how do you open the flap without damaging it to fix the actuator?
@@bvqbvqThis might sound silly but keep hitting the door when the vehicle is Unlocked with the soft side of your fist. If that does not do it lock and unlock the central system and eventually it will release. Then do the fix and its good for another 5 years. (notice all The VAG vehicles that are sticking are 5+years old)
Unfortunately I tried that for about an hour and it wouldn’t release. I think my actuator had carbonised motor brushes so it was never going to budge. Knowing what I know now I could have applied a higher voltage to the actuator, maybe 24V. That might have done the trick.
@@bvqbvq OH Dear, Do Not do that! you will do great great damage. Sometimes it is better to stop digging a hole and spend the money with a person who will fix or repair it without destroying a CAN bus system.
No CAN bus on the actuator, it is just a bridge drive to the motor. The motor will withstand a higher voltage for a short while. It’s all about the power dissipation in the windings and the commutator. You would obviously have to disconnect the wiring harness so as not to back feed the drive circuit.
Thanks, gave me the confidence to jam the screwdriver in. An irritating fault.
The fuel flap is a slide fit on the hinge. Once you have levered the flap out, simply pull it backwards & it comes off. you can then access end of the actuator to release the hinge assy. Check the video by Tomas Dvorak. There is no need to break anything.
I think that you are referring to this video ruclips.net/video/cmuF21KrB8w/видео.htmlsi=NWvuNZHnQr805_dv
I did see that video before I broke into my own but I just couldn't get the flap to slide off. It would have solved all of my problems otherwise because even though the actuator screw is on the front it can be accessed if the flap has been slid off its backing.
The Rapid is slightly different in that if you remove the wheel arch liner the actuator can be unscrewed from the behind.
Not really a quick fix on the garage forecourt though.
Bad news all right - but thanks for this. I have an identical car and my flap is stuck shut. Of course I'm in the red on the fuel gauge 🙄
Additional info, in case it helps anyone: I read somewhere that I could try slapping the flap repeatedly with one (flat) hand while plipping the remote with the other. It worked! I mostly drive around with the flap not quite closed but occasionally some helpful person shuts it for me when parked up. I just do the same slap and plip trick again and it's worked every time. Don't know if I'll ever bother getting it fixed. Sometimes it even goes a while without getting stuck.
@@brianchristie1055 True, thank you
My father got this open by unlocking and locking the car repeatedly while pushing gently on/off the cover.
I tried this just now and it works, thank you very much
I did the same and it worked, took about 10 goes though.
Many thanks!
My one, skoda Karoq, mechanic menaged to unlock it from inside throu light cover...so now i can open it and close just cant lock it. He said all the wv group has issue with it and there is no other way to change it than taking out all the liner inside. Wird thing is there is no emergency release, so if it is stuck you have to call or go to mechanic if you have enough fuel to get to one.
If you look in the video description there is a part number for a lock with an emergency release. I don't know whether it is the same part on the Karoq.
Excellent video! Stuck fuel filler flap seems to be pretty common. Sadly I’m getting the same on my 2014 Octavia vRS estate. I bought a new actuator, I assume the cable is easy enough to unplug and re plug the new one?
Assuming that it is the same as mine, you just squeeze the two side clips in to release the plug from the actuator.
Jeez the Octavia 2013 2.0 TDI is almost exactly like the Passat 2013 2.0 TDI
Guys, how to remove the plastic cover holder at the top over the side trim? i removed the single screw on the top but it doesn't seem to be pulling out? please help!
I’ve got mk3 estate and same issue. Have you replaced with the Audi part and did it fit and work?
I didn't replace mine since the flap was damaged. The pictures of the Audi part look identical to the Skoda part except for the emergency release. If I was going to replace mine, that is what I would buy.
I managed to open it.. I had to lock on and off my car.. and it does work after every 10 or 15 try with a push.. I wonder If there is some corrosion or smthing..what do you think?
I don't think that it's corrosion. The motor commutator stops at the same place every time the central locking is locked. That means that when it is opened, the current spike on start-up burns the commutator slightly each time until eventually there is sufficient carbonisation to prevent the motor from running. I took my motor apart and you can see where it is burnt. It's not a very good design that is destined to fail eventually.
If the motor stopped at a slightly different random position each time the system locked it would last a lot longer. There is no way to solve this problem without redesigning the lock mechanism. An emergency release mechanism would be a great help.
I am not sure of the benefits of having a locking filler cap, it takes too long to syphon out a tank of fuel, it's quicker to steal a catalytic converter.
@@bvqbvq i appritiate the quick response. I think I will just swap it for a newone for 25euros. Easy job after all.🙂
@@27jezus, this is the part number for one with an emergency release for about the same price, 8F0862153E. I haven't tried it myself but it looks identical and that's what I would probably fit now.
@@bvqbvq thank you mate. 😇 Emergency release would make sense. Skoda simply clever but not always😄
Sadly today i discovered your video, just after breaking the lock, like what you did, i have a seat leon, i dont know if it have that red emergency release cable, but the problem is, how can i fix that broken lock, do i really need to get new flap and new actuator!
Unless the flap is too badly broken to close then I wouldn't bother to replace it since it offers next to no protection from someone who wants to steal your fuel. It's a very poor design.
@@bvqbvq i think that they do it on purpose, so you break the lock and, then, you replace the whole thing, i will try to fix it, and i will buy a new actuator from aliexpress, with the emergency cable, what i really fear is not stolen fuel, but some vandalism
@@darkangel22628 Sounds like you already vandalised it yourself ;-)
I guess a working flap will deter mischief makers from putting something in your tank. That said, they are unlikely to know that it is not locked just by looking at it.
@@bvqbvq i agree with, but i was on long trip, and my fuel was not enough for more than 15 km, and it was raining and dark, it's was necessary to refuel. The problem here is some children like to play with fuel cap, they will try to open it even if it looks colsed, they can put rocks or whatever 😬😬
I will try to fix the lock with epoxy plastic glue, and buy an actuator with emergency cable
@@darkangel22628 I would either epoxy a small piece of aluminium in place or use some fibreglass. Either way you need to replace the lock with the one that has the release wire in case it happens again ;-)
I just kept opening the car while pushing the flap and it opened...
You were lucky. I tried for about 15 minutes and nothing was happening.
Hi there, could you please give us the part number? Thanks in advance :)
I think that the flap is part number 5E0809702B and the actuator is 7P0810773F. There are different variants of the actuator that have a remote release lanyard.
@@bvqbvq Thank you very much !
@@bvqbvq Have you bought a genuine part or just an aftermarket? I went for a TOPRAN, if even the OEM will fail why pay extra.
@@pauldursachi I haven't replaced mine yet but I would go for an aftermarket one with the secondary release lanyard just in case it goes wrong again.
@@bvqbvq any indicative cost please?
It's a stupid, bad, crap, rubbish, p*** poor design that effectively disables the car for want of a better manual release mechanism. (Can you tell I'm a bit annoyed?) Mine is totally jammed so booked into garage next week.
I feel your pain. Mine failed just when the tank was empty and I needed to fill up. The crazy thing is that the security that it offers is non-existent. The only person who experiences any inconveniece is the poor owner.
After breaking into mine I never bothered to replace the flap or the actuator, it made no sense, financial or security wise. If you do get the actuator replaced then fit one that has the manual boot release. I put details in the description.
I'm in the same position right now.
Before I try tommorow evening (im lying in bed late researching!) , after looking at your video right now, rather than try to rotate it with the screw driver (which sounds impossible), if I pull it out enough, do you think I could sheer through that long arm (that the bit that rotates on is attached too), with a plunge tool or fine blade? That way I could then open the flap and simply rotate the end of snapped bit and pull it out not breaking plastic bit. Just wondering if there is any room. I remember seeing that arm as I was squinting oil in there.
If that's a no and I end up breaking plastic bit, how does the flap stay shut? In case I choose to not bother replacing that whole hinge?
Cheers and thanks for video.
Ok, just snapped the plastic bit. So it's open. Trying to turn the thing with fingers and no chance. I'd have never turned that with a screwdriver.
Now it's hard work pulling housing off. Nothing to grab to pull. Guess a need a very thin plastic thing to get under the housing to lever out.
What a shit design not being open it by emergency cable
Agreed, other vehicles in the VAG group do actually have an emergency release. Sadly Skoda cheapened the design one step too far.