The "It's because we wear glasses" scene. It's *extremely* unusual to watch a scene in which a man falls in love with a woman because of her intelligence. (Librarian here. I did several cycles of storytelling. You wouldn't believe how hard is to find stories in which the female character had any quality other than beauty.)
By chance, I watched this movie two days ago. I'm a 65 year old man, and every time one of these women took NASA to the next level, it brought a tear to my eye. It is a great story, and it makes me proud to be an American.
As one wise man once said: The greatness of a person is not on the color of her skin, but in the content of her heart... Diversity makes us special and strong....! Colombia USA WE Are ONe....
I would argue about them being god-given, but not about their talent. Truly amazing minds and I'm so glad they contributed them to our voyages into space, especially with the social obstacles they had to overcome to get there!
@@rhmrr01 it goes the other way around sorry. There is no proof for god, divine intervention, god's plan etc. Please provide some proof that your god exists
In a parallel universe, the not civilian space program, a small group of mathematicians, engineers, technicians, and programmers did much more complicated math to evaluate experiments in physics and chemistry to re-invent Einstein's NOBEL "Photoelectric Effect", enabling the detection technology in the Webb satellite to discover the universe
Is BASED on a true story. The novel is the true story. The film adaptation is a steaming dog turd that just insults basically all of NASA and IBM staff of the time for no reason other than to make it easier for the lazy film makers to tell a very flawed story. The novel Katherine Johnson wrote doesn't support basically most of the treatment she endures in the film while working there. Also the entire section about the bumbling IBM engineers that deliver THEIR OWN FRICKIN COMPUTERS to NASA and seem completely incapable of teaching NASA staff how to use it is just pure invention. Same thing with Octavia Spencer's character finding the FORTRAN book in a library. You'd be hard pressed to even find a book store selling it, let alone a local (non central city) library lending it at that point in time when those computers would cost an insane amount of money that no one using a local library would ever be able to afford or have access to. What puts the cherry on the cake is the fact that IBM invented FORTRAN - the film is trying to sell you on this woman knowing better from what amounts to an instruction manual book how to program IBM computers than their own engineers. All this adds up to the director/writers treating the audience as idiots and just assuming they will get away with it.
@@mnomadvfx 100% this. The movie was simply historical fiction at the mathematical abilities of these women and their importance to the space program. It's a great movie...bit historically it has seriously blurred the actual facts.
@@mnomadvfx The sheer ridiculousness of her walking up to a machine that had just recently been invented and she knew nothing about and somehow she's able to walk up to it and move a wire out of the hundreds of thousands to the right place. For God's sake give me a break. Never mind that she was made supervisor 5 years before Katherine even started at NASA. Katherine stated she never faced any racism at NASA and never used any segregated bathroom. She was not in mission control during the Glenn launch. Why on Earth they would be asking her an engineering question about whether or not the straps would hold is another fantasy. Was she a mathematician or an engineer? Did these ladies contribute? Absolutely. Just like the over 400,000 other people that work to get us into space. Most of whom were white by the way. 😂 I actually had a black fellow tell me that the only reason we went to space was these three women. 😂
When John Glenn is greeting the people who work on the technical aspects and goes over to greet Catherine and the other 'computers'. Hard to say if this is my favorite (there were so many), but it's the first one that came to mind.
@@unity1016 but we don’t know if that ever happened in real life. But you can’t tell a story about color driven racism that continues to limit and miss geniuses who are NOT white, without making the white heroes good guys! That’s Hollywood and that’s America!
John Glenn was a good man and he was also smart enough to recognize mathematical ability when he saw it. And he knew those abilities would ensure he returned alive from his mission.
Just a small comment: We, as Americans, need more women / people of this caliber. I ask you, how many children, teenagers, young adults are out there, with this type of brain power? You and I both know, we really need these people and we must do everything in our power to help them get to the front of the line. God Bless.
I was visiting my mom a few weeks after seeing this movie. My mom was a bookkeeper before marrying my father, and in her last years Alzheimer’s/dementia had played with her mind. I was talking to the nurses and explaining that I worked with computers. My mom perked up and said I was one of those. Without this movie I would have totally discounted this comment. But thank god this movie gave me this magnificent moment with my mom. Her pride at claiming this from her early work experience. Great movie!!!!!
It must be so satisfying to be so good at your job and appreciated for it. Especially in the 1960s and not only being a woman but also a minority. Back then it was unusual for a woman even to have a career much less school the men in math! What a truly womderful movie!!
I think the critical message in this story is two fold. Respect people for their skills not based on their race or quality of education. Almost more important is that people have to have the proper education to work through problems. You must do due diligence, be trained. In todays world everyone wants to take shortcuts and not go to school or do the training. They simply want a brief overview then ‘give it a try’. These women were up against challenging odds, but they succeeded, despite NASA and the race relations of the 50’s and 60’s. Imagine how much faster it would have been for minorities to get into the best maths or engineering schools.
It brings tears to my eyes and a pain in my heart every tine I watch brilliant Black women and men who have made so much major contributions to the development of society (especially here in the US) and never get rewarded or mentioned or paid honestly for their efforts.
I agree this movie was moving every emotion. The movie kept my attention especially that women were stationed men jobs. I had school friend was so intelligent, but introvert. I enjoyed our time spent together, she exposing me to new things I in turn was sharing my expertise which she so loved. Thank you for constant playing this movie trailer. Her strong lionesses attitude.🦁🫶
Shepard, Glenn, Aldrin, Collins and Armstrong. Firsts who couldn’t have accomplished their feat without the outstanding individual efforts behind the scenes. Let alone overcome ignorant racial stereotypes to do this. I’m in awe of their determination and unwavering spirit. Fight onwards
"Let alone overcome ignorant racial stereotypes" The films depictions of racial attitudes at NASA in the time period were almost completely fabricated for dramatic panache. Basically 95% of the film is Hollywood invention to rage bait the audience. There is some reality in there about the 3 subjects, but only one of them was truly worth making a film about, and her story was very crudely drawn underneath all that dramatic race bait fluff in the script. Seriously, just read the novel - it doesn't support the narrative of the film well at all. If anything NASA were pretty progressive for the time even compared to the more progressive northern states - especially with the whole nationalistic attitude toward US space launch advancement trumping any pre existing negative sentiment of the age. I can rant about this films falsehoods till I'm blue in the face, but the main ppint is that the novel is in Katherine Johnson's own words and doesn't paint the film makers in a good light at all - they are basically using race rage bait as a substitute for good screenwriting, a tried and true Hollywood tactic.
It kinda pisses me off that they were NEVER recognized after the missions. Can you imagine how those men returning safely from space because of the SHEER INTELLIGENCE OF ALL THOSE BLACK WOMEN WOULD HAVE IMPROVED RACE RELATIONS.
@Winterr62 look who were one of the first movers to remove slavery. The treatment that the planet shown to people of colour is a stain on every nation, as it lasted far too long. However, noone can deny that America gave a stage to remove it (through general society).
@johnbaldock6353 just some perspective... I have a degree in computer science...I've been using the sat math scores as an iq test. A 750 on math is a great score... About 48 whites get this score for every black student... All races have brilliant individuals
The cast selection in this movie was superb, i really enjoyed this movie, the interaction between Taraji P. Henson and Kevin Costner was amazing, i highly recommend watching this movie, Bravo.
It would be even better if it was actually based on the whole book rather than a phantom skeleton of it with a whole bloated Hollywood carcass of race rage bait grown around it to bulk out the story. It's NOT a documentary - it's a typical Hollywood biopic film, and a very flawed one at that. It is basically a defamatory and insulting interpretation of events that doesn't reflect Katherine Johnson's words on the subject in the novel the film is supposedly based on at all. The whole anti coloured/black staff sentiment at NASA implied in the film is a fabrication. The whole thing about IBM engineers being too stupid to teach NASA staff how to use their own computers is a fabrication. The whole thing that basically makes out every white person that isn't Kevin Costner at NASA to be a moron is a fabrication. Everyone working at that office at NASA was a big brain hotshot The film basically tries to tie the events at NASA to the civil rights movement, because the screenwriters were too lazy to actually write a real story without insulting literally hundreds of good people to build up only 3. Even then, only one of those - Katherine Johnson - was actually worth even making a film about in the first place for her unique contributions to the field. They could have literally removed Octavia Spencer's entire plot line, and used it to show the female IBM computer scientist Lois Habt teaching the Octavia's character how to use FORTRAN so that she could teach her computer staff. (Lois Habt actually co invented the programming language FORTRAN at IBM that is still used today) Instead the film basically invalidates all of IBM as some bumbling fools staring into space who couldn't even measure the room before they installed the thing 🤦♂ just so that they could give Octavia something to do so she doesn't seem wasted on screen for most of the film. This was literally IBM's entire business model at the time, if NASA wasn't satisfied then they wouldn't have bought any more computers in the future - so of course they sent NASA everything but the kitchen sink to install the computers and help NASA staff put them to use. The film basically assumes that the audience doesn't have the slightest ability to use critical reasoning to see this - I didn't know jack about computer science history going into the film and I could still see it looked hokey asf.
I don't know if that was as much of a big deal as the fact that she was admitted to the meeting despite the fact that she wasn't cleared to be in it. The far bigger issue was that necessity dictated that she was in the meeting despite the fact that she wasn't cleared to be in it and that there was one guy who saw this, realized that, rectified the situation, and somehow still kept his job. She didn't have to actually be in there. And he didn't have to ask her to do that calculation live in front of all that senior staff. That was definitely a movie moment.
@@rleroygordon You're not getting the symbolism = underscores the whose rest of the movie. --Why do you think the director(s) *slowed down* that very exchange?!
Did you know another minority a Jewish woman was the primary reason why Apollo 13 astronauts made it back her name was Judith love Cohen she is actor Jack Black's mother
So did I. I used to work for a big consulting firm, that hired out there programmer to companies like Johnson Control. But I was kept out of the field to troubleshoot other programmers mistakes. They were sent to Bootcamp Schools the get certified in Java Programming. And just pick up an new used Java Programming book and taught myself.
Watch...Tuskegee Airmen. These were black pilots during WW2. It's a historical fact but not well known. The movie might not be 100% correct, But mostly true. Whitewashing of history is America's shame. These accounts of actions for country should be acclaimed, not hidden. "Glory" is also a great movie based on historical facts during the Civil War.
Probably the most intelligent human being, I lost my beautiful wife she was incredible and she didn't know how incredible she was, I'm 74 and ex forces telecommunications my wife was incredible. She was a black Brazilian African. I miss her so much.
Once in a generation or century, The Good Lord gives us someone who can solve problems and inspire us. People like Catherine cannot be made but is gifted and loaned to mankind.
Respectfully, I believe it's also imperative to acknowledge the role that nurturing brings into the equation. I am always inspired by the quote “I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.” ― Stephen Jay Gould It's one thing to acknowledge that some people are truly gifted, regardless of if we believe that is divine gift or biological uncertainty. It's another to live by the idea that we must respect and uplift all peoples, firstly for their simple rights as individuals, but also knowing that anyone among us, no matter divided denomination, may make a great impact on our world and society
the good lord seems to come in for an inordinate amount of praise when credit is being handed out but little in the way of criticism when starving millions on the planet succumb.
Has anyone noticed the chalk in front of Kevin Costner in the conference room scene? In one shot, it's there. In the next shot, it's gone. And then it suddenly reappears again.
"You know what your job is Paul? To find the genius among those geniuses. Pull us all up. We all get to the peak together or we don't get there at all." Have to find the genius or the most qualified, which rules out DEI ideolgy. Society needs the best and the brightest to move us all forward, and to inspire us to do better.
This is definitely a nerd movie and I love it. There are so many equally talented people in this planet that have never been recognized as such. Remember, too, that after WWII, both the USA (Operation Paperclip) and Russia imported thousands of German scientists of different genres (or professions). In theory during the embryo stage of space flight, the Russian joke was 'our German scientists are better than yours' meaning that there was really no cold war as in 'the space race'. They were talking to each other. Before The USA got the Germans, NASA's rockets were blowing up one after another due to lack of expertise in the field. Then came Wernher von Braun (a nazi), Disney-fied him up, and viola! He's suddenly a nation hero because he got the USA into space. In the meantime, his V1 and V2 had killed thousands of British citizens. But who was counting? Wild respect for those women who broke the 'glass ceiling'' so to speak. Nobody should be judged on the color of their skin or what gender they are. If you can do the job (meritocracy), then all else (DEI) doesn't matter. Great movie.
This one of the best shows I have ever watched. I am not a fan of space travel, but the understanding by Catherine of God's laws of the universe is amazing. (Job 38: 3-8, 31-33; Job 26: 7,14)
It is an amazing movie. And it should be said that Katherine Johnson was not alone. She was part of a huge team and many of them were Black, American women who did not enjoy the same privilege as their White counterparts, but they helped all of humanity explore the beginnings of space. Truly inspiring. Her mental abilities were part of that success. We achieve our greatest advances when we combine our compassion and curiosity to answer our deepest questions.
But wait a minute .....at what point when you were typing your comment.... did you hope no one would then read it.... and realise you were actually writing such an unbelievably iconic piece,.... or ner I say it.... a world class statement of irrelevant mediocrity?
@@thegrindfather Who set the 'laws" that she and the others were able to come to an understanding so that they could put objects in space accurately? Just because?
@@PapaJuggernaut Thanks , I served in the marine air wing and met the last marine gunner,not gunnery seargent but gunner he was a R.I.O ON OUR F-4 PHANTOMS AND HE WAS OUTSTANDING MAN OF COLOR
I was a bright student, but I always wished I was a genius like Einstein. Unfortunately, you can’t wish brilliance on yourself. Either you are born one or you aren’t.
I was head of a large team in a totally different area of work and whenever I was congratulated for something well done I made sure that he knew whose work it was; MY work was in picking my team, boosting them and helping them progress and for that they needed to feel respect and validation. It took nothing away from me. When I left the job my successor made sure that everything was about him.
I have to say grew up in the 60’s and I actually cried in parts of the movie. When you have to realize what blacks had to deal with. The cast was believable and energetic in their parts. It was really an eye opening experience. Kevin Costner was great as Al Harrison. Bravo to everyone involved in this wonderful movie
My favorite scene in this movie is when John Glenn calls for Katherine Johnson to check the calculations that were provided by the IBM computer before his launch. This event actually occurred before John Glenns launch. There was a question by NASA Control if the IBM calculations were correct. Imagine this white man placing his life in the hands of this black woman in connection with a Gemini rocket. During this extremely racist era in America. Again. This event actually occurred before John Glenn's launch. As a black American I don't hate white supremacist. Why? Hate begets hate. Many white Americans don't have a clue who black Americans are in relationship to the contributions black Americans have given to our nation. Black history is not taught in our schools. Like you and many other Americans I had to learn about the great Katherine Johnson in a movie. A thought from a black American. You have a nice day.
the audience in the theater that i saw this movie in was mostly math and science nerds. they would NOT shut up about the damn math. 🤣it's good to feel seen i guess.
So wonderful president Obama nominated medal of freedom during his last term as president this was such proud wonderful accomplishment hope African Americans see how barriers over come racism breaking glass ceiling Laying foundation for others to follow in their achievements.
What a great movie and a greater story. The challenges that were defeated based on race and gender spoke volumes….I don’t understand as a human why similar battles still go on today. Discrimination is a learned trait, we aren’t born that way. Wake up ppl.
I was a lot of years old before I heard about these amazing woman. I walked out of the theater happy and mad at the same time. Mad? Because I had never heard of these woman. Why aren’t we teaching this in school????
The truth is - that the hidden figures (or hidden figure) which this movie was inspired by are still being hidden - and they are particular black men - not black women. Although most of the time they will use a white man for this purpose - sometimes what they will do is replace the part of a real life black man's actions and activities by installing a black female(s) to play his part (and sometimes they'll even use a white female) - because first of all they do not want to give any credit to black men for a certain heroic action or achievement - and secondly - as said - since the lives of certain black men (or a certain black man) are still being used or plundered for information to make movies - they need to keep who they actually are (or what man it actually is) a hidden figure and secret in order that they can continue plundering his life for movie making information.
In the early scene where their blue Chevy is broke down along side the road with a bad starter. First of all, unless they deliberately stopped for a bit, a faulty starter wouldn't cause the engine to stop running. It would only prevent them from restarting the engine. Though, the starter wasn't the actual problem. It was the solenoid. Back then most starters had a solenoid between the battery and the starter. So, if the solenoid stop working, you'd simply by-pass the solenoid not the starter using a screwdriver to connect or touch either solenoid terminal and the starter would turn over the engine.
Does anybody really believe that one person (man, woman, black or white) with no computer training can just look at a few things, replug a couple of cables and get it running while trained specialists cannot figure it out?
To answer your question. A proud group of people who are proud of their nation. A proud group of people who descendants were slaves to today were a black man was the President of the United States. Racism exists then and racism in America exist now. Even though black Americans are descendants of slaves. Now black Americans are citizens of this great nation. There is ignorance among many white supremacists in America. Black Americans are dealing with these white supremacists. If black Americans can contribute in any manner to make America a better country. Black Americans always will do anything to make America a better nation. A thought from a black American. Have a nice day.
COMMENT BELOW! I love space and scifi. What is your favorite scene from Hidden Figures? Thank you for watching, hitting that Like button, and sharing.
The "It's because we wear glasses" scene. It's *extremely* unusual to watch a scene in which a man falls in love with a woman because of her intelligence.
(Librarian here. I did several cycles of storytelling. You wouldn't believe how hard is to find stories in which the female character had any quality other than beauty.)
@@MariaMartinez-researcher Then I'm glad I included part of that scene here!
I AIN'T NO PEARLS!!!
" I love space and scifi."
...dear God.
@@booksbenji you don't payed colords enough to afford pearls
So much talent on screen and in real life. Beautiful story . Beautiful people and souls.
they picked the ABSOLUTE correct actresses to portray those figures.
By chance, I watched this movie two days ago. I'm a 65 year old man, and every time one of these women took NASA to the next level, it brought a tear to my eye. It is a great story, and it makes me proud to be an American.
@@TheZincroofer
Yes.. You and all American should do.
This show how American society and individual evolve over time.
@@jawadraza1218
Is their story taught in schools?
@@kwabenalauriston7581
No.
But it's really an inspiring one.
@@jawadraza1218
Why doesn't it surprise me!
As one wise man once said: The greatness of a person is not on the color of her skin, but in the content of her heart... Diversity makes us special and strong....! Colombia USA WE Are ONe....
I learned about this woman back in the 70s when I wanted to work for NASA. It was decades later I jumped for joy when this movie came out.
Their minds. You cannot dispute they had god given talents. It is a beautiful movie. I love it.
I would argue about them being god-given, but not about their talent. Truly amazing minds and I'm so glad they contributed them to our voyages into space, especially with the social obstacles they had to overcome to get there!
what talent is not god given?
@@aaabbb-ff1sp sorry to break it to you but there is no god.
@@rhmrr01 it goes the other way around sorry. There is no proof for god, divine intervention, god's plan etc. Please provide some proof that your god exists
@@geoffsemon7411 Research Einstein vs Tesla, one believed in a higher power and his inventions are still helping mankind over 100 years later..
Hidden figures is a true story
That is why love it
In a parallel universe, the not civilian space program, a small group of mathematicians, engineers, technicians, and programmers did much more complicated math to evaluate experiments in physics and chemistry to re-invent Einstein's NOBEL "Photoelectric Effect", enabling the detection technology in the Webb satellite to discover the universe
Is BASED on a true story.
The novel is the true story.
The film adaptation is a steaming dog turd that just insults basically all of NASA and IBM staff of the time for no reason other than to make it easier for the lazy film makers to tell a very flawed story.
The novel Katherine Johnson wrote doesn't support basically most of the treatment she endures in the film while working there.
Also the entire section about the bumbling IBM engineers that deliver THEIR OWN FRICKIN COMPUTERS to NASA and seem completely incapable of teaching NASA staff how to use it is just pure invention.
Same thing with Octavia Spencer's character finding the FORTRAN book in a library.
You'd be hard pressed to even find a book store selling it, let alone a local (non central city) library lending it at that point in time when those computers would cost an insane amount of money that no one using a local library would ever be able to afford or have access to.
What puts the cherry on the cake is the fact that IBM invented FORTRAN - the film is trying to sell you on this woman knowing better from what amounts to an instruction manual book how to program IBM computers than their own engineers.
All this adds up to the director/writers treating the audience as idiots and just assuming they will get away with it.
@@mnomadvfx 100% this. The movie was simply historical fiction at the mathematical abilities of these women and their importance to the space program. It's a great movie...bit historically it has seriously blurred the actual facts.
@@mnomadvfx The sheer ridiculousness of her walking up to a machine that had just recently been invented and she knew nothing about and somehow she's able to walk up to it and move a wire out of the hundreds of thousands to the right place. For God's sake give me a break. Never mind that she was made supervisor 5 years before Katherine even started at NASA. Katherine stated she never faced any racism at NASA and never used any segregated bathroom. She was not in mission control during the Glenn launch. Why on Earth they would be asking her an engineering question about whether or not the straps would hold is another fantasy. Was she a mathematician or an engineer?
Did these ladies contribute? Absolutely. Just like the over 400,000 other people that work to get us into space. Most of whom were white by the way. 😂 I actually had a black fellow tell me that the only reason we went to space was these three women. 😂
When John Glenn is greeting the people who work on the technical aspects and goes over to greet Catherine and the other 'computers'. Hard to say if this is my favorite (there were so many), but it's the first one that came to mind.
@@unity1016 but we don’t know if that ever happened in real life. But you can’t tell a story about color driven racism that continues to limit and miss geniuses who are NOT white, without making the white heroes good guys! That’s Hollywood and that’s America!
yeah...but people laughed at him when he ran for President.
I think after Carter, the American public was a bit leery of military guys.
John Glenn was a good man and he was also smart enough to recognize mathematical ability when he saw it. And he knew those abilities would ensure he returned alive from his mission.
@@wahn10 ...you were a close personal friend of John Glenn?
You've at least met him once, spoken with him personally?
It's goog I guarantee Justin Williston I got you😊
Just a small comment: We, as Americans, need more women / people of this caliber. I ask you, how many children, teenagers, young adults are out there, with this type of brain power? You and I both know, we really need these people and we must do everything in our power to help them get to the front of the line. God Bless.
@@bobfresno7134 I concur...%100. America needs that..these people.
Amen. She looked beyond. If more people looked beyond just think. How much more can we accomplish.
for most of human existence, people like that had a tendency to get killed
Passing the chalk is a pinnacle moment😊
Yes, I thought this too.
I love people who excel in their field!!!!!! SERIOUSLY OUTSTANDING!!!!!
They definitely did that! And helped our nation take huge leaps forward in space and society.
I was visiting my mom a few weeks after seeing this movie. My mom was a bookkeeper before marrying my father, and in her last years Alzheimer’s/dementia had played with her mind. I was talking to the nurses and explaining that I worked with computers. My mom perked up and said I was one of those. Without this movie I would have totally discounted this comment. But thank god this movie gave me this magnificent moment with my mom. Her pride at claiming this from her early work experience. Great movie!!!!!
That's beautiful!
@@namegreg That makes your shared memories even more precious! 👏😊
Yes. I wonder how many people know that computers were named for the job that they effectively replaced.
It must be so satisfying to be so good at your job and appreciated for it. Especially in the 1960s and not only being a woman but also a minority. Back then it was unusual for a woman even to have a career much less school the men in math! What a truly womderful movie!!
I think the critical message in this story is two fold. Respect people for their skills not based on their race or quality of education. Almost more important is that people have to have the proper education to work through problems. You must do due diligence, be trained. In todays world everyone wants to take shortcuts and not go to school or do the training. They simply want a brief overview then ‘give it a try’. These women were up against challenging odds, but they succeeded, despite NASA and the race relations of the 50’s and 60’s. Imagine how much faster it would have been for minorities to get into the best maths or engineering schools.
I really like this movie it always leaves me with good feelings.
It brings tears to my eyes and a pain in my heart every tine I watch brilliant Black women and men who have made so much major contributions to the development of society (especially here in the US) and never get rewarded or mentioned or paid honestly for their efforts.
Thankfully, this is beginning to change.
I agree this movie was moving every emotion. The movie kept my attention especially that women were stationed men jobs.
I had school friend was so intelligent, but introvert. I enjoyed our time spent together, she exposing me to new things I in turn was sharing my expertise which she so loved. Thank you for constant playing this movie trailer. Her strong lionesses attitude.🦁🫶
Shepard, Glenn, Aldrin, Collins and Armstrong. Firsts who couldn’t have accomplished their feat without the outstanding individual efforts behind the scenes. Let alone overcome ignorant racial stereotypes to do this. I’m in awe of their determination and unwavering spirit. Fight onwards
Very well said!
"Let alone overcome ignorant racial stereotypes"
The films depictions of racial attitudes at NASA in the time period were almost completely fabricated for dramatic panache.
Basically 95% of the film is Hollywood invention to rage bait the audience.
There is some reality in there about the 3 subjects, but only one of them was truly worth making a film about, and her story was very crudely drawn underneath all that dramatic race bait fluff in the script.
Seriously, just read the novel - it doesn't support the narrative of the film well at all.
If anything NASA were pretty progressive for the time even compared to the more progressive northern states - especially with the whole nationalistic attitude toward US space launch advancement trumping any pre existing negative sentiment of the age.
I can rant about this films falsehoods till I'm blue in the face, but the main ppint is that the novel is in Katherine Johnson's own words and doesn't paint the film makers in a good light at all - they are basically using race rage bait as a substitute for good screenwriting, a tried and true Hollywood tactic.
@mnomadvfx is very truthful. The movie is not authentic of the novel
It kinda pisses me off that they were NEVER recognized after the missions. Can you imagine how those men returning safely from space because of the SHEER INTELLIGENCE OF ALL THOSE BLACK WOMEN WOULD HAVE IMPROVED RACE RELATIONS.
Without them, Russia would have dominated space.
Loved this movie. Mathematicians have solutions!
I like the ending of this movie more than anything.
Can't argue with that.
It ALWAYS Shocks me the way the USA has treated its Black Citizens BUT they Still Come Forward to Help! Maybe That's THE AMERICAN DREAM??🇬🇧👏
That behavior is not unique to the United States, sadly.
As if GB and the rest of the world is any different
@Winterr62 look who were one of the first movers to remove slavery. The treatment that the planet shown to people of colour is a stain on every nation, as it lasted far too long. However, noone can deny that America gave a stage to remove it (through general society).
@johnbaldock6353 just some perspective...
I have a degree in computer science...I've been using the sat math scores as an iq test.
A 750 on math is a great score...
About 48 whites get this score for every black student...
All races have brilliant individuals
Really? It shocks you? You don't really get humans, do you?
The cast selection in this movie was superb, i really enjoyed this movie, the interaction between Taraji P. Henson and Kevin Costner was amazing, i highly recommend watching this movie, Bravo.
Hands down one of the best movies/Documentaries I've ever had the pleasure to watch. Make more like this and you'll move a country...
It would be even better if it was actually based on the whole book rather than a phantom skeleton of it with a whole bloated Hollywood carcass of race rage bait grown around it to bulk out the story.
It's NOT a documentary - it's a typical Hollywood biopic film, and a very flawed one at that.
It is basically a defamatory and insulting interpretation of events that doesn't reflect Katherine Johnson's words on the subject in the novel the film is supposedly based on at all.
The whole anti coloured/black staff sentiment at NASA implied in the film is a fabrication.
The whole thing about IBM engineers being too stupid to teach NASA staff how to use their own computers is a fabrication.
The whole thing that basically makes out every white person that isn't Kevin Costner at NASA to be a moron is a fabrication.
Everyone working at that office at NASA was a big brain hotshot
The film basically tries to tie the events at NASA to the civil rights movement, because the screenwriters were too lazy to actually write a real story without insulting literally hundreds of good people to build up only 3.
Even then, only one of those - Katherine Johnson - was actually worth even making a film about in the first place for her unique contributions to the field.
They could have literally removed Octavia Spencer's entire plot line, and used it to show the female IBM computer scientist Lois Habt teaching the Octavia's character how to use FORTRAN so that she could teach her computer staff.
(Lois Habt actually co invented the programming language FORTRAN at IBM that is still used today)
Instead the film basically invalidates all of IBM as some bumbling fools staring into space who couldn't even measure the room before they installed the thing 🤦♂ just so that they could give Octavia something to do so she doesn't seem wasted on screen for most of the film.
This was literally IBM's entire business model at the time, if NASA wasn't satisfied then they wouldn't have bought any more computers in the future - so of course they sent NASA everything but the kitchen sink to install the computers and help NASA staff put them to use.
The film basically assumes that the audience doesn't have the slightest ability to use critical reasoning to see this - I didn't know jack about computer science history going into the film and I could still see it looked hokey asf.
@@mnomadvfx gee, it sure hurts when an entire group of people are dismissed as incompetent and stupid, doesn’t it?
@TheCybrKnyf Same the movie GreenBook. Being Native American love these types of movies
I am 71 and I have to watch this movie often. It is one of my favorite of all times. Bless these women.
It's worth watching every time.
Excellent movie , I have watched it several times❤
Same here
Brilliant film, loved it. Especially when they let her in, the all male meeting to predict the go/ no go calculations.
"Give or take 20 square miles." Great scene.
Amazing movie, I'd love to know how accurate it is as it seems so amazing.
@@jackb1825 It's accurate enough to be appreciated by the families of the women portrayed. But it's not intended to be a documentary.
I don't know if that was as much of a big deal as the fact that she was admitted to the meeting despite the fact that she wasn't cleared to be in it.
The far bigger issue was that necessity dictated that she was in the meeting despite the fact that she wasn't cleared to be in it and that there was one guy who saw this, realized that, rectified the situation, and somehow still kept his job.
She didn't have to actually be in there. And he didn't have to ask her to do that calculation live in front of all that senior staff. That was definitely a movie moment.
@@PapaJuggernaut great non-answer
I just realized how sybolic handing off the chalk is.
Followed by the teacher's shock at the end. So great.
@@jws1948ja Indeed....white chalk on black board......................
@@j.c4007 Because that's what they used in those days. Nothing symbolic here.
@@jws1948ja Chills every time… been lots of ‘em, too! ;)
@@rleroygordon You're not getting the symbolism = underscores the whose rest of the movie.
--Why do you think the director(s) *slowed down* that very exchange?!
I can’t count how many times I have seen this magnificent movie. Well done to everyone involved.
Did you know another minority a Jewish woman was the primary reason why Apollo 13 astronauts made it back her name was Judith love Cohen she is actor Jack Black's mother
As a programmer, I smiled so big at that FORTRAN manual. Its till a good language.
Glad I'm not the only one lol
So did I. I used to work for a big consulting firm, that hired out there programmer to companies like Johnson Control. But I was kept out of the field to troubleshoot other programmers mistakes. They were sent to Bootcamp Schools the get certified in Java Programming. And just pick up an new used Java Programming book and taught myself.
i HAD THE GOOD LUCK TO BE TAUGHT BY ADM GRACE HOPPER IN THE 70s 4 IBM 360/DSTE 1000 COMPUTERS MARINE COMMO.
@@jackb1825 same :)
@@tyson31415 me too!
Watch...Tuskegee Airmen. These were black pilots during WW2. It's a historical fact but not well known. The movie might not be 100% correct, But mostly true. Whitewashing of history is America's shame. These accounts of actions for country should be acclaimed, not hidden. "Glory" is also a great movie based on historical facts during the Civil War.
Probably the most intelligent human being, I lost my beautiful wife she was incredible and she didn't know how incredible she was, I'm 74 and ex forces telecommunications my wife was incredible. She was a black Brazilian African. I miss her so much.
Wow! Katherine needs a Congressional Medal! RWB ❤🎉
She got the Presidential Medal of Freedom.😀 I suppose a posthumous Congressional Gold Medal is justified as well, but probably not necessary.
took my daughter to see this movie. I literally cried during the closing scene
I'm glad the next generation will learn these stories.
This was one of the best movie ever made.
Once in a generation or century, The Good Lord gives us someone who can solve problems and inspire us. People like Catherine cannot be made but is gifted and loaned to mankind.
True.
Respectfully, I believe it's also imperative to acknowledge the role that nurturing brings into the equation. I am always inspired by the quote “I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.” ― Stephen Jay Gould
It's one thing to acknowledge that some people are truly gifted, regardless of if we believe that is divine gift or biological uncertainty. It's another to live by the idea that we must respect and uplift all peoples, firstly for their simple rights as individuals, but also knowing that anyone among us, no matter divided denomination, may make a great impact on our world and society
the good lord seems to come in for an inordinate amount of praise when credit is being handed out but little in the way of criticism when starving millions on the planet succumb.
@Alwayz114 - yes. I'm sooo tired of some Invisible Sky Pixie getting credit for when of fearless, thinking people move things forward.
No, it was the teachers who banded together to help a gifted child access the fullness of her talents.
Has anyone noticed the chalk in front of Kevin Costner in the conference room scene? In one shot, it's there. In the next shot, it's gone. And then it suddenly reappears again.
"You know what your job is Paul? To find the genius among those geniuses. Pull us all up. We all get to the peak together or we don't get there at all."
Have to find the genius or the most qualified, which rules out DEI ideolgy. Society needs the best and the brightest to move us all forward, and to inspire us to do better.
This was such an amazing movie
This is definitely a nerd movie and I love it. There are so many equally talented people in this planet that have never been recognized as such. Remember, too, that after WWII, both the USA (Operation Paperclip) and Russia imported thousands of German scientists of different genres (or professions). In theory during the embryo stage of space flight, the Russian joke was 'our German scientists are better than yours' meaning that there was really no cold war as in 'the space race'. They were talking to each other.
Before The USA got the Germans, NASA's rockets were blowing up one after another due to lack of expertise in the field. Then came Wernher von Braun (a nazi), Disney-fied him up, and viola! He's suddenly a nation hero because he got the USA into space. In the meantime, his V1 and V2 had killed thousands of British citizens. But who was counting?
Wild respect for those women who broke the 'glass ceiling'' so to speak. Nobody should be judged on the color of their skin or what gender they are. If you can do the job (meritocracy), then all else (DEI) doesn't matter. Great movie.
This one of the best shows I have ever watched. I am not a fan of space travel, but the understanding by Catherine of God's laws of the universe is amazing. (Job 38: 3-8, 31-33; Job 26: 7,14)
It is an amazing movie. And it should be said that Katherine Johnson was not alone. She was part of a huge team and many of them were Black, American women who did not enjoy the same privilege as their White counterparts, but they helped all of humanity explore the beginnings of space. Truly inspiring.
Her mental abilities were part of that success. We achieve our greatest advances when we combine our compassion and curiosity to answer our deepest questions.
But wait a minute .....at what point when you were typing your comment.... did you hope no one would then read it.... and realise you were actually writing such an unbelievably iconic piece,.... or ner I say it.... a world class statement of irrelevant mediocrity?
I appreciate the words you shared here, so that they can stand as a shining example to so many of how to matter so little.
wtf has "god" to with this?
@@thegrindfather Who set the 'laws" that she and the others were able to come to an understanding so that they could put objects in space accurately? Just because?
We ALL 'pee' the same color at NASA!!
True movie!! We need more of these❤!
I loved this movie 😮😮😊😊
Same.
@@PapaJuggernaut Thanks , I served in the marine air wing and met the last marine gunner,not gunnery seargent but gunner he was a R.I.O ON OUR F-4 PHANTOMS AND HE WAS OUTSTANDING MAN OF COLOR
This is as gripping as west wing. Substance not posturing acting. A fan. 💕
Yes! These actors were definitely working with an excellent script.
this is a brilliant movie ..the acting is on a very high level and the story happens to be TRUE
This should have been taught in elementary school Nationwide.
Analytic geometry might be a bit much for elementary school, but I get your point! 😉
@@PapaJuggernaut No, not analytic geometry, but the fact that this gentle lady was at the forefront.
A wonderful movie!
I was a bright student, but I always wished I was a genius like Einstein. Unfortunately, you can’t wish brilliance on yourself. Either you are born one or you aren’t.
Even if you're born with it, it still needs to be unlocked.
What a great movie!
I remember doing the math with a pencil. No calculators in our class. Was HARD AS HELL...
Dang!
But I'll bet you came away with a solid understanding of the math involved.
Poor Sheldon - looks completely lost.
Not so smart now, is he?! hahaha
given the time constraints & Cold War era, the pressure on these people is unfathonable.
WONDERFUL movie!
One of my favorite movies. Tier "S" on my list.
One of the finest films anyone can watch, make you cry, just watch it, god bless
Me and my late wife loved this movie a lot!
I was head of a large team in a totally different area of work and whenever I was congratulated for something well done I made sure that he knew whose work it was; MY work was in picking my team, boosting them and helping them progress and for that they needed to feel respect and validation. It took nothing away from me. When I left the job my successor made sure that everything was about him.
Too bad he didn't learn the lessons you exemplified.
What a complete waste of space he was
Thank goodness those ladies were there to do the heavy lifting because those boys were in way over their heads.
I LOVE THIS MOVIE SO MUCH AND THE FACT THAT THIS AMAZINGLY INTELLIGENT WOMAN CAME FROM MY HOME TOWN, TOUCHES MY HEART
I LOVE THE CITY WERE I COME FROM
She was the smartest person at nasa solved problems no one else could
I have to say grew up in the 60’s and I actually cried in parts of the movie. When you have to realize what blacks had to deal with. The cast was believable and energetic in their parts. It was really an eye opening experience. Kevin Costner was great as Al Harrison. Bravo to everyone involved in this wonderful movie
I absolutely love INTELLECTUALS. Intelligence is the sexiest thing about human beings.
luv this movie and the fact it's true
Yes, exactly. Thank you.
The chalk passing was profound times two😊
My kind of reality show.
My favorite scene in this movie is when John Glenn calls for Katherine Johnson to check the calculations that were provided by the IBM computer before his launch. This event actually occurred before John Glenns launch. There was a question by NASA Control if the IBM calculations were correct. Imagine this white man placing his life in the hands of this black woman in connection with a Gemini rocket. During this extremely racist era in America. Again. This event actually occurred before John Glenn's launch. As a black American I don't hate white supremacist. Why? Hate begets hate. Many white Americans don't have a clue who black Americans are in relationship to the contributions black Americans have given to our nation. Black history is not taught in our schools. Like you and many other Americans I had to learn about the great Katherine Johnson in a movie. A thought from a black American. You have a nice day.
Loved the movie
Same here. It was great.
the audience in the theater that i saw this movie in was mostly math and science nerds. they would NOT shut up about the damn math. 🤣it's good to feel seen i guess.
Yes! The nerdier the better! 😂 But if they are interrupting the movie they need to shut up. lol
@@PapaJuggernaut don't worry, it was after the movie was over. they all went for coffee and talked math and stuff.
@@shelly_lee Oh. That's just cool.
A great movie. Watched twice
Me too! Caught a couple things the second time I didn't catch the first.
This is a GREAT movie. I rented it last week but I feel like I need to buy it to watch over and over it's so good.
That's what I did!
They should have made her an Emeritus Professor while they had the chance.
To think that this was never taught in school!
Of coarse not. people were happy with their assigned genders back in the day..
Such a great film and the real life inspiration for the character of Uhura in Star Trek.
What I find amazing is that in the West Computing group bookcase they had a copy of Euler method textbook!
I LOVE THIS MOVIE!!!!!!!!!❤😊
Me too!
Alot of very smart people made it happen; I was glad to see that Katheryn Johnson got the credit she deserved in the end for her contribution.
Brilliant film,seen it a few times.
So wonderful president Obama nominated medal of freedom during his last term as president this was such proud wonderful accomplishment hope African Americans see how barriers over come racism breaking glass ceiling
Laying foundation for others to follow in their achievements.
If only we could get beyond our Racially motivated nonsense in 2024!
A world where we accept each other as fellow humans instead of separating into tribes and camps and parties and cliques?
That would be nice.
The movie is a complete pipe dream, NEVER HAPPENEDE
You concern me.
They show John Glenn as human as having a sense of humor lol.
BRILLIANT SISTERS BRILLIANT ❤👏🛎
What a great movie and a greater story. The challenges that were defeated based on race and gender spoke volumes….I don’t understand as a human why similar battles still go on today. Discrimination is a learned trait, we aren’t born that way. Wake up ppl.
How many awards did it win? I don't believe Kevin Costner has won ANY since 'Dances With Wolves'
28 total. 73 nominations
I was a lot of years old before I heard about these amazing woman. I walked out of the theater happy and mad at the same time. Mad? Because I had never heard of these woman. Why aren’t we teaching this in school????
We are now. In some places.
The truth is - that the hidden figures (or hidden figure) which this movie was inspired by are still being hidden - and they are particular black men - not black women. Although most of the time they will use a white man for this purpose - sometimes what they will do is replace the part of a real life black man's actions and activities by installing a black female(s) to play his part (and sometimes they'll even use a white female) - because first of all they do not want to give any credit to black men for a certain heroic action or achievement - and secondly - as said - since the lives of certain black men (or a certain black man) are still being used or plundered for information to make movies - they need to keep who they actually are (or what man it actually is) a hidden figure and secret in order that they can continue plundering his life for movie making information.
It was outstanding
This has been out for years! Where u been?
Since 2016 is in the title, I don't think I'm claiming it's a new movie... But thanks for commenting!
I’d like to see explanations of the actual math in the film. What are the formulae, how are they correct, and see the practical real function shown.
In the early scene where their blue Chevy is broke down along side the road with a bad starter. First of all, unless they deliberately stopped for a bit, a faulty starter wouldn't cause the engine to stop running. It would only prevent them from restarting the engine. Though, the starter wasn't the actual problem. It was the solenoid. Back then most starters had a solenoid between the battery and the starter. So, if the solenoid stop working, you'd simply by-pass the solenoid not the starter using a screwdriver to connect or touch either solenoid terminal and the starter would turn over the engine.
The actress is a remarkable player in many characters. Always call my attention when she plays in a movie. Very interesting professional.
Among my most favorite movies.
Makes me proud to be human, if only our global focus currently was more on learning and exploration than killing and ruining this beautiful planet.
Well said.
Really enjoyed watching this film
Does anybody really believe that one person (man, woman, black or white) with no computer training can just look at a few things, replug a couple of cables and get it running while trained specialists cannot figure it out?
Yup
Its Nasa, everyone there is a F genious.
I've watched clips of this movie but when I try to download it on you tube I get clips again no full movie,where can I find it
I know you can watch it from the link in the description. Not sure about downloading.
BEST MOVIE EVER !!!!!!
What kind of people give their added product work to their oppressor? Probably for less pay.
To answer your question. A proud group of people who are proud of their nation. A proud group of people who descendants were slaves to today were a black man was the President of the United States. Racism exists then and racism in America exist now. Even though black Americans are descendants of slaves. Now black Americans are citizens of this great nation. There is ignorance among many white supremacists in America. Black Americans are dealing with these white supremacists. If black Americans can contribute in any manner to make America a better country. Black Americans always will do anything to make America a better nation.
A thought from a black American. Have a nice day.
Thank you for sharing.
My pleasure! I love the movie, especially their showcasing of the power of math and science to help humanity evolve as a civilization.
Excellent 😊❤ Extraordinary Magnificent
You go girl ❤
THIS WAS SUCH A GREAT FILM ! IT SHOULD HAVE WON AT LEAST 11 OSCARS ! ---------------MJL, 77 Y/O