There's nothing 'misinformation' about the cost of electricity at $0.50/kWh on the road versus gas, on the dawn of 50mpg cars. Feel free to disagree with this, but these are the facts.
@@ImLivinSD I don't think the EV fanboys are lying maliciously, they just really like EVs enough. Like you're implying, unless the math works out for them, that making car payments+insurance (+gap), and driving enough to justify the savings on travel, then maybe. But taking a typically-priced EV at $40k over 3 yr term with current interest rates (6.2% APR). People are looking at ~$1200-$1300, insurance will be $170 (assuming full coverage with gap endorsement). So unless people are spending $1470+ a month on gas and maintenance, it just doesn't make monetary sense. Even if we increase the loan term to 5 years, it's $820 instead. ($650+$170) If people are already in the market for a new car, and have a home to charge it (assuming the rates will be much cheaper at
I never wanted an EV until I saw the refreshed Model 3. Ordered the performance model as soon as I could. I went from not even considering one to buying one in like 36 hours.
Great choice. I just got a 2022 Model 3 Long Range and it is by far the nicest car I've ever owned (even compared to my Porsche, which I traded in to get the Tesla).
Oh jeez, going straight for supercar acceleration. I have a 2018 dual motor model 3, after driving a Prius. At first, it felt 0-60 was in 1 second, cause it felt like teleporting. Mine is around 4.5. So a couple recommendations. First, set creep mode off. Then you can rest your foot on the go pedal at a red light. Second, it will feel a little funny at first, because your body expects the car to accelerate like a gas car, and it doesn't, but once your expectations align with reality, it's great. That thing goes great in a straight line on snow too, but to turn or stop you still need traction. And if you want driver engagement, set it to standard regen, and learn to stop without the brake pedal(brakes last a looong time with regen), and learn to drive as if you were in chill mode when you aren't. You have amazing control with that pedal. Also regen is great if you go into a corner a little hot. Anyway, enjoy, but make sure you have space in front of you when you punch it.😉
Surprised that many people are concerned about public charging after they made the purchase. Agreed, why did they purchase if public charging is so vital for them.
Every new appartment complex in San Antonio TX has multiple chargin stations. Some old existing appartment complex are also installing chargers. The city own electrical company (cps energy) allows us unlimited charging the entire year for $99.00 in any of those city own chargers, and also includes free parking on the paid parking meters in downtown for the same $99. google it. Although we have one of the lowers rate per kwh in the usa 13.7 cent per kwh (2 cent per mile if you charge at home), it is cheaper to charge at those city own chargers everywhere than charging at home. Think about it, either you live on a appartment or a house, you can drive as much as you please the entire year for only $99. Also San Antonio Major announced that by the year 2025 CPS energy will be 100% dependent on renewable energy only. No more fosil fuels , coal, natural gas, etc. Eryone should buy an EV and save lots of $$, but maybe not buy a testla since Elon is endording the Ati-EV candidate to the presidency. I purchased a Chevy Bolt 2023 and I love it. I will never go back to ICE.
Guy I work with told me recently that you cannot drive an electric car in the rain. I talked a lot about getting one and I took delivery of one last November. He still doesn't know I own one and I have not mentioned it to him yet. I will spring it on him at our next EV debate. I want to come from a position of experience rather than YT videos. On the survey, it's a push by big oil to keep people buying ICE. Big Oil is the reason why, IMO the US doesn't have a train infrastructure. Anyway, thanks for the drop and be well.
You hit the nail right on the head! Big oil companies will do whatever they can to dissuade people from buying EVs because they'll end up selling far less oil and gas. It's also incomprehensible that we, in North America, don't have at least HrSR (Higher-speed Rail) train service, operating at up to 125 mph or 200 kph, so as to provide affordable, far more comfortable, faster, and far more environmentally-friendly transportation in comparison to driving, and, in some cases, even air travel, as is the norm throughout the world! Why am I choosing HrSR over HSR (High Speed Rail)? Constructing HrSR is considerably less expensive than building HSR while providing most of the benefits along with similar travel times. If you take a look at Sweden's highly-successful X2000 train service that runs at 200 kph or 125 mph, it's actually an HrSR-type of modernized passenger rail, not HSR! In reality, the X2000 provides competitive travel times in comparison to some HSR lines in Germany since a significant portion of Germany's rail network doesn't permit HSR speeds. No wonder our airports, roads, and highways are so clogged with congestion in North America! Sadly, the present status quo on transportation is hampering the move to fast, modernized passenger rail! It doesn't have to be this way!
Hah! I just drove through 20 minutes of downpour and flash flooding YESTERDAY in the Tesla. It's RIDICULOUS and PURE IGNORANCE to say you can't drive an EV in the rain. That guy is clueless. 🤦♂
Your coworker is hilarious! I wish he'd been with me a few months ago when I drove our Bolt EUV from FL to OH. It rained for several hundred miles. Roughly 300 miles was like a car wash.
I bought a Hertz M3 like you guys 3 months ago and I love it - in the process of updating electrical panel for L2 home charging. The inflation reduction act allows for %30 tax credit (up to $1000) to add home charging for an ev which is gonna help.
Living in an apartment with an EV hasn’t been a problem for me so far. I’m lucky in my area I’ve got three supercharger locations within a 15min drive. I will say I wouldn’t have bought one without knowing I had plenty of options to charge my car nearby. Also with the $7500 tax credit and occasional incentives from Tesla like the .99% APR on the model y… the price really is in the same ballpark of a brand new top of the line Rav 4/CRV/CX5
I have a townhouse with a street parking space. Because I live in an area where EV's are popular it's easy to find charging. So many people in my neighborhood own EV's and none of us have regrets.
Same for me as well. It's annoying at times to have to plan for charging but I still save a ton of money over the ICE car I had before my EV. I'll live waking up a little earlier once a week haha.
They're probably people who don't have access to home charging or road trip more than the average driver. For my driving needs, I haven't had a single issue with my Model Y. Have a NEMA 14-50 outlet in my garage. I do have a ICE vehicle and a PHEV should I really need to go into an area without a charging network. So far, haven't had to resort to that option.
I was forced in to getting an ev when my ice car transmission went out, only way to get me into a vehicle was with the 4000 dollar tax credit thing for the bolt.( didn't have a downpayment and needed a running car to get kids to work and back. plus get me and the husband to dr ap) had to reseached about the car because the dealer was no help. Didnt know if the charger they gave me would reach the street from the house we rent ( had to order an extender for the end of the cord) had to come up with 250.00 for my tags ( Ohio not getting tax from the gas no more they got to tax ev to get that money they lost) wasnt told about this from my dealer until after I signed the papers.and now a month later I don't want to go back to gas cars.
I tell people all the time that if they substitute one of their ICE vehicles for an EV, they will find themselves choosing to take the EV most of the time. Even had a couple that race between themselves to their EV so as not to get stuck with the ICE vehicle because that person has go get the gas.
I understand that everyone has busy lives, and it can be challenging to keep up with everything. However, a bit of internet research could have provided you with valuable information about this topic. While dealers should certainly do a better job of educating new EV owners, we also need to take responsibility for our own knowledge. We have access to a vast amount of information at our fingertips, and self-education is crucial. This isn’t meant to sound negative; it’s just an observation. I often see comments from people who are surprised by basic facts, like the difference in refueling times between electricity and liquid fuel. Some things are just common sense.
@@WiltonLiveTV I dont have a busy life just never was interested in this supject, but after getting my ev that is what I have been doing is learning what I can :)
I too have a Bolt, but it's no good for long trips to see my father (Texas to Kentucky). That's why I bought a Tesla. Now I have the best of ALL worlds :)
Oil companies are one of the largest investors in renewable energy - they receive tax credits and subsidies - can't lose on green energy.. Petroleum has thousands of uses - EVs are substantially made from plastics. You might hate oil, but you can't lived without oil. The asphalt used for paving is made from the residual tar from oil refining. Most American homes are roofed with asphalt shingles - that's just one waste byproduct of oil. The soles of shoes are made from oil. Oil is in almost every product.
Government subsidies and a threatened ban on ICE cars are a sign that "big oil" is not fighting these things but is promoting them wherever possible......... EV fans are usually not that smart or educated.
You will be happier with an EV IF, 1. You can charge at home, 2. You seldom travel more than 2/3 of your EV’s range per day (typically 150-200 miles), 3. You do not TOW or carry a lot of passengers and cargo (better range), 4. You live in a mild climate (better range). 5. You plan to keep your vehicle 5 or more years (less depreciation worries). 6. You live in an area with VERY HIGH fuel prices (California, Hawaii which is $5.00/gal or more)
Very high! Fuel tax in CA is $1.21 per gallon. More for diesel. My electric rate is 0.13¢, unless I am in prime time. When you pay $5 a gallon, you better have an economy car, or a motor scooter, if you don’t have an EV.
If you have solar to cover the more expensive daytime electricity rates, you should try to get on a "free nights" electricity plan and charge the EV at night -- FREE FUEL. It has worked for me for YEARS.
Tried to go EV but couldn't find something that worked for me for under $70K. Came really close with the Lyriq, but the cargo space was about 4 cubic feet too small. Want something that can carry skis inside. It is interesting that so many people say they wouldn't go back. The only people that I've ever spoken to were Leaf owners and Tesla owners that needed a repair. I agree that 95% of people love them.
I am satisfied so far with our EV. If you cannot home charge I can see why people are unhappy. We have a Lyriq and I agree with your statement about the size. It is just a bit too short for skis inside. That is just what GM does. The vehicle fits our needs. If you look at GM all of their vehicles they all fit into niches between the standard sizes for most vehicles. There will be a larger EV coming from Cadillac. I think it will be called Vistiq.
Tesla Model Y has lots of passenger and cargo space. Should be plenty if you just need a bit more than Lyriq. A long range AWD Model Y costs $40,500 after the instant federal tax credit. Long range RWD is only $37,500.
I'm an outlier in that I am still driving my 2011 Nissan Leaf with its original battery. Two things influenced my purchase back then: 1) Subsidies - got $12.5k back on its $36k purchase price with a free home charger and 2) 99% of my trips are short and well within its range (I have a Harley I use when I take any long trips). Cost over those 13 years maintenance wise is under $1500 which includes: 3 accessory batteries (12 volt car battery); 4 key fob batteries; 1 flat tire; and two years ago the electric motor coolant pump had to be replaced and that's is it. No ICE vehicle can come close to that over 13 years. Also, since I don't put many miles on the vehicle my car insurance is mileage limited to also save in cost. As far as my battery the range drop has gone down from 105 miles to 65-70 miles over those 13 years. The car is garaged and I've avoided fast charging, never left the battery fully charged for a long time, and varied the charge level (essentially I babied the battery) and this battery does not have thermal control so if you treat batteries well they will last. Now there is one big con for EVs is that insurance companies tend to write them off if they get in an accident. Repairability of an EV is really limited compared to ICE vehicles.
I have a friend who got a 150mi range Leaf for $15k out the door at end of June 2024. I also know many people personally who got less than 3 years consecutively on 2 traction battery packs in their early Leafs because they refused to do their due diligence like you when it comes to charging. The Leaf is a pretty terrible EV, only technical people like yourself should own them, they are abysmal failures for the average person. I rebuilt the battery pack on my 2005 Toyota Prius in 2020. Before that I only did oil/filter changes myself and one replacement 12V to a yellowtop. Today everything runs perfect except the AC condenser sprung a leak and for me this will total the car at 163kmi (low mileage because of Harley as well), still getting 48mpg after pack restoration, before it died and rebuild it degraded mileage to 44mpg. EV's step the driving experience up from driving a Prius a bunch. Cost per mile ($/mi not C/mi) though is not as huge a difference as most EV evangelists say. I do prefer to plug my EV in every night over filling my Harley at the gas station every week. Prius gets filled every 3 weeks on avg.
You aren’t the only outlier, Mad, I also had a 2011 Nissan Leaf. 2 12 volt batteries, one flat tire, and a trip to the dealership to fix a loose “skid plate” rubber or plastic under the front of the car. I agree with you, very cheap to keep, but my SOH wasn’t too good at 45%, and 31 miles on the GOM. It was a thrifty car, but after 11 years, and retirement, it was time to change. I bought a PHEV.
Insurance and electricity rates are on the rise for EVs. The battery is the biggest issue for insurance. They are expensive to replace, easy to damage on the highway since it's the entire bottom of the car and batteries degrade over time which increases the odds of replacement as they age. If the battery gets damaged it can be an unpredictable fire hazard for months. Electricity providers have tier rates in some places now and that's how they will make all the lost fuel tax back with EVs. I think getting into an EV right now is unpredictable for future cost of ownership.
@@practicalguy973Insurance doesn't cover battery degradation, that's on the owner. Accidents in any new car can total it, the fire potential isn't necessarily that critical unless the pack goes into thermal runaway. Just about all EVs have excellent safety ratings and safety equipment making the most expensive thing Insurance is concerned about, the people inside, safer. If I replace a 2005 Prius with a 2024 iD.4 which car is safer for the driver and statistically safer in a crash? New cars cost a lot to insure period. Insuring an EV is high only because the MSRP of EVs is high due to expense of battery and new technology. Financing roads needs to be figured out, manufacturers really should be figuring out PHEVs instead of going all in on pure EVs but again financing roads with a fuel tax is also a losing proposition with PHEVs since for all practical purposes they are and EV for most of their daily use. Electrical utilities are in for a battle, 100% of an EVs home charging could be done with solar energy on the home. The home owner or renter pays up front for 5-8 years of electricity and after that period the electricity is free except for fees the utility puts on you for net metering and having it connected to the grid with solar.
@@practicalguy973 No arguments here. Unfortunately most EV owners treat an EV like an ICE vehicle and don't "babied" their battery like they should which shortens its life. One vehicle I'm holding out for is an Aptera that was designed from the ground up to be extremely efficient (3x as efficient as a Tesla) and go a decent range on solar charging (up to 40 miles) so its battery requirements are less than half a regular EV for the same range and thus put less strain on the power grid.
Nice job on the views. I agree with you thanks. I started my EV journey early 2017. The reason was for me to learn about them. I found a 2015 leaf for a steal. Paid 5k due to an estate sale. Also at the time I lived in an apartment.
Yes, that is correct They don’t make money off the Maintenance servicing the EV. Like they do ice vehicles . That needs oil changes, belts, hoses, radiators timing belts Head gaskets!
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Dealers don't want to have to do extra training and they don't want to have to turn their showroom into a concrete bunker because of EVs...The batteries are flammable so there are guidelines for handling EVs. That's why dealers don't like EVs.
Follow the money trail... Over one-fifth of new vehicles in the United States were leased in 2023, with the rest being sold outright. The percentage found in the third quarter of 2021 was even higher, with 26 percent of new vehicles in the U.S being leased that year. So if that many people are leasing and ev leases are affordable, no matter whether renting an apartment.....
That just tells me that folks who have no business with a new vehicle are getting one.
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I agree the FSD and Rob taxis are non sense for the majority of car buyers. We need a $25 to $30k ev asap...Also the the charging stops need the same facilities as gas stations . I just did a 4,500 mile roads trip in our Tesla model 3 through out the western Usa and had absolutely no problem doing it. The OEM gas companies are fighting indirectly like hell to oppose the change over to EV's ..I will never go back to ICE vehicle..
It's not just the gas companies it's the short sellers adding to anti-ev hysteria,I keep running into headlines from local news networks that ev sales have slowed but they never go into details.
Well the fact that evgo is creating charging stations using pilot j I think it is only a matter of time before other gas stations do the same they are just waiting to see how it goes for pilot j and gm I also agree that their needs to be more affordable electric vehicles once you have those adoption will increase but we need the infrastructure to be able to support that increase
I have a 24 ioniq 5 rwd and 22 lexus 450h+. I would never buy all gas vehicles EVER AGAIN. EV OR PHEV TILL I DIE. Went from $80 gas a week to ev $9.00 a week charging at home. Plus ioniq I can give power to refrigerator and some lights if I lose power at my house:)
I like the explanation you did. Yes, car insurance makes the Cost Of Ownership is high. I think we need government incentives for that. Although I love my Prius, but all my family love our Model Y much more. I like the idea of providing level two chargers to the big complex. I payed CAD $1000 to connect NIMA plug in my garage . With SFD doing most of the work, some time I feel bored in the long trips when everyone in car is sleeping while I am driving and finding nothing to do. I wonder if you started by telling us about the Mackenzie Car dealers think EVs will take them out of business. I think that what will happen with buying the car online and much less maintenance.
Was just on a road trip. Free wire chargers were not working for the BZ4X owner. Meanwhile I just backed in my Tesla to the supercharger and plugged in and left.
"Care for the environment "? Rare earth materials used, mining issues, toxic driving issues and end of life waste. Also . .extreme child labor activities. The Prius option is the best for most.
I agree with your assessment and I wouldn’t be surprised if the petroleum industry is behindthis survey. I own the Nissan Ariya and love it. I’m a homeowner and fortunate to have a nearby Tesla supercharger that has the built-in magic dock and I’ve seen Rivian, Lightning, Kia’s all charging there. To me, Tesla needs to build more of these types of stations so everyone can enjoy.
Why do people buy EV when it doesn't suit them? Because they were told this was the only cheap, green, future vehicle to have. Unfortunately, EV propaganda doesn't consider that some people may not get the benifits that they claim to have, and some people buy them without questioning. Not a new phenomenon, but many EV activists would still say it's saving the planet, but that doesn't help people stuck with a depreciating, expensive to run, inconvenient vehicle. P.S. I can't plan my trips. I go to where the work is, not where the chargers are. Good video conversation, well done for being brave enough to save some people shouldn't buy one.
Wow, Luke! You really scored a bunch of comments on this one! Good video. As for insurance, ours went down when we traded our Prius on the Ioniq 5. I forgot what happened when we got our Bolt, but I think it went down then, too. Maintenance on an EV is quite a chore. Our '22 Bolt has just over 34,000 miles on it. I've already had to replace the wiper blades and I've had to add washer fluid twice. The Ioniq 5 is still new and on the original washer fluid. 😎 Never going to a gas station again except for snacks on a road trip. And road trips in an EV are a real ton of fun. We loved road tripping the Bolt and the Ioniq 5 is just as quick as our gas car on the road. But the real bonus is having a "full tank" every morning almost for free. So far, the Bolt has saved us about $2,500 in fuel compared to a 30 mpg gasser.
I have Letterly owned well over 500 cars and trucks and never totally liked any of them, I went to school for mechanics, worked in the field for many years, and finally brought a chevy bolt. It is the only vehicle that i have owned that I can honestly say I Love it, when I drove ice vehicles, I knew something could break at anytime because of all the moving parts that wear out and I have repaired most of all their problems. If they had a better charging system no one would own a ice vehicle. The day's of ice's are about over and they are trying to hand on with everything they have left.
Your100% right with your opinion. The big issue is Cost and Time for repairs. I am going to be driving ICE for a long time because they are easy and cheap to fix. Wait till you get the Shock of your first EV repair!
I tend to look at EV cars and trucks just like diesel. It all depends on where you live. You use diesel I farm and ranch country where there are not a lot of gas stations and gas mileage matters. Here on the East Coast there is a very good EV charging network. In fact in Northern Virginia they passed legislation to add level 2 charging to apartments and condos. In Maryland there is public charging at most Senior Citizen centers and Public libraries. GM has been subsidizing home chargers. Most houses have a dryer outlet. When wired properly is really all you need. Most people only take 2 to 5 road-trips a year in excess of 300 miles. EV’s have that covered. For those with range anxiety. Just rent a car for your long trips.
Charging at home (or at work) is a big helper to owning an EV. With my Zoe, for the past 7 years, I didn't have to think about charging/range. With my ICE vehicle (that I switched for an EV), I was always postponing my trip to the petrol station. For the cost, in the USA petrol is cheap (like half the price of France), so of course there will be less of an impact. For long trips (which is not often), In France we have good infrastructure. All chargers use the same standard CCS (which is one of the thinks that lack in the USA) so any car can use any charger (except Nissan Leafs that use Chademo). Stopping every 2-3 hours for 30 minutes is OK. Most of the time we need to stop anyway. For very long trips I usually start at night, so 30 minutes of extra sleep while charging is great.
I have a Tesla Model Y Long Range with acceleration boost, a Ram 1500 and a BMW M3. My wife has a Tesla Model 3 Longe Range with acceleration boost and a Genesis G80. We drive our Teslas 99.9% of the time. If we had to keep only 2 vehicles we'd keep the Teslas. We have 2 level 2 chargers, one for each Tesla, we have solar panels and free nighttime electricity (9pm-7am).
I only need to fast charge when out of range to get home. Done it once when I needed to , but had tried DCFC testing the car several times. It's still a learning experience each time on different network and unit. I have a charging credit I have yet to use up. Much more convenient to charge at home than to go to a DCFC, wait there, and use the credit. If you don't have home or close by public or work level 2, it would not be a fun ownership experience or cheaper than ICE relying on DCFC -on CCS1 . We also have a PHEV which is OK (Spousal requirement ) but unless you can charge it up every day it's a waste of money to pay extra to buy one.
All of the reasons cited in the survey are legitimate. I would add cold weather battery performance. A lot of EV enthusiasts won’t even admit the issues are real.
Those south and west of the Rust Belt may not know that issue exists, but I'm sure they'll tell you that extreme heat will impact range. I always say that BEVs aren't for everyone or every application (towing, multifamily residence, rural access), but if they work for you, you most likely won't be be going back to ICE.
I would like to see some proof that they actually surveyed EV owners because it does not match my experience as an EV owner or anyone that I know with an EV. It sounds more like they had an agenda to push and knew it would grab headlines. The concerns brought up are what I hear from the "general" population, not EV owners themselves.
We have been exclusively driving EV's since 2011, so 13 years now. Very relatable video, but over here in Europe this would have been made ten years ago! Now, however, this is no longer true. We never again have to plan for road trips because there are plenty of fast chargers everywhere and battery capacity and effeciency have risen so much! Mayby still a bit less in Germany because of political ties with ICE manufacturers and pressure to prevent EV's, but they are catching up now. And for level 2 home charging: done that all this time, and now, since our energy provider over here sells energy for the cost price, and that is often completely free with exclusive wind and sun energy or even negative, we often charge our car for free or even get a few euro's as a bonus for charging!
The infrastructure I am sure is a big factor. High density areas on the coasts I see lots of reports at chargers are packed and lines. Worse yet the CCS chargers being down are unacceptable. One factor not getting a lot of press is the nose bleed prices being charged at these CCS charging places. Of course it isn't universal, but it is very bad. I live in MO and drive through rural areas and if you can find a charger you are lucky, they are slow, and during the peak travel times there are lines waiting. Right now I am planning a trip in a few weeks and the utility(Ameren) in the areas where I need to travel are once again(they did this last year) derating the chargers to keep the grid load down. They are load shedding. These were already slow chargers, but being derated to 30kw. This is completely unacceptable. If the people at these utilities drove EV's that would NEVER be acceptable. Time to get busy building infrastructure. Are there EV owners considering returning to ICE? I am sure there are. I have seen reports of people going back to Hybrids. That is believable I think for normies that aren't EV enthusiasts. Right now I am trying to decide if it is worth it to try and route around these areas to avoid those delays. Every day the Tesla SC's look better and better... Sadly Tesla is marching to UN/WEF mandates. The climate alarm has them pushing for no vehicle ownership and they have 2030 milestones they have to meet that will significantly curtail vehicle ownership operation in city settings. This is why the Tesla focus has shifted to robotaxi and FSD. I have no issue with Optimus focus, but Tesla appears to be diverging from what people want to focus on coming mandates. On the face of it the road trip delays does appear to be significant to people casually looking at it. But how many of these people actually pay attention to how much time they spend already with ICE? There isn't a lot of difference between ICE and the faster charging EV's today. Frankly looking at the times I see reported and in ABRP the faster EV's are already faster than I am typically ready to go. Not the case with my Bolt unfortunately. I stop more often with the EV than I do when I am in ICE. I admit that, but now that I do it I don't really mind the extra stops as long as I am not forced to wait on the car. If I couldn't charge at home I would not own an EV. It is a complete nonstarter to me. Maybe if I could charge at work it might be acceptable depending on the situation. Thankfully the manufacturers are ending the free charging incentives fewer people will be camping at chargers to get a 100% charge. There are still significant speed bumps for EV ownership. We can't downplay it. We see some of these factors starting to change that, but it will take time. As enthusiasts we are willing to plan, prepare, and change what we do. But it is a legit concern for normies. At this point I don't evangelize EV's. If I am asked I will tell it like it is and let the hearer decide if they can look past the warts. EV's are fun, love it. I just need to get into a different EV to deal with the shortcomings of the Bolt for my own needs. Longer cross country road trips and winter road trips to see family really are not good in the Bolt so I am in the market for a replacement despite the massive financial beating I am about to take.
"Sadly", really? Here's a question for you Climate change denier. If there is no climate change and we do all these things to combat it, what's the worst that happens? We get better technology, cleaner air, etc. BUT, if Climate change is real (it is), and we do nothing about it like you deniers support, WE ARE DEAD. Simple thought process.
Also, I was born and raised in MO. I have taken my two Teslas for repeated trips to visit family. And not just to Columbia, my hometown, or KC or St Louis, but to rural South Central MO. Where did I charge? EV parks. Just a little thought effort and solutions are EVERYWHERE. And keep in mind, an EV can charge ANYWHERE there is electricity. An ICE vehicle can only refuel where gas is stored. Believe me, there are places in MO where no gas is AVAILABLE.
@@bigdougscommentary5719 Tesla's have options for sure being able to use both CCS and the SC's. You get in rural MO and charging is few and far between. I road trip through farm country in MO/IA/IL and charging is a challenge. But I am in a Bolt so the options are limited, slow, and this time of year Ameren is derated to 30kw for the summer! I have to make 2 stops on their chargers here in a few weeks and not looking forward to it. And that assumes that both chargers will be up and functioning... Oh boy. I think there is a Tesla in my no so distant future.
"Sadly Tesla is marching to UN/WEF mandates. The climate alarm has them pushing for no vehicle ownership and they have 2030 milestones they have to meet that will significantly curtail vehicle ownership operation in city settings." This seems overly speculative, and has no evidence to support it. Nobody is seriously proposing mandates to curtail vehicle ownership. The reason why Tesla is pushing robotaxis is because it's valuation is too high to be justified on the basis of car sales (other car companies' market caps are all much less), so Elon Musk is trying to capitalize on the AI hype. After all, even in a world where individuals own cars, there is still a market for robotaxis, just like there is a market for Uber rides today. It just won't be nearly as abundant or cheap as Elon Musk claims it will be. Another direction Tesla could take with self-driving technology is as a solution for how people who live in apartments charge their cars. Today, you have to either sit and wait for the car to charge at a supercharger, or find a level 2 within walking distance of where you're going to be for several hours. But, if the cars have self-driving capabilities, it brings forth a 3rd option, where anytime you're spending a few hours in one place, the car could drive itself to a charger a few miles away, plug itself in, and drive back. This, in turn, could lead Tesla to open up vast charging hubs, built strictly around cars coming and going autonomously, with humans (other than Tesla security people) not even allowed on the property. Because such a facility could be built literally anywhere with sufficient power, the land would be cheap, which would make the charging costs cheap. I can easily envision autonomous driving to humanless chargers being the future of EV charging (at least, for people not on road trips), and when this does happen, EV charging will have achieved equal convenience to gasoline, even for people without home charging equipment, and without the need for super-fast chargers delivering hundreds of kilowatts. The impact will be huge, and if Tesla gets there before others do, it will be a big competitive advantage that well help them sell cars to the huge audience of "unable-to-charge-at-home" apartment dwellers.
I just picked up my Volvo easy the other day and that was after a month of watching just about every RUclips channel including yours to educate myself and I continue to save and watch your daily videos and save it into a playlist to refer back to But honestly this is no different than when I drove an ice car. Turbo direct-injected engines as well as just about every modern vehicle requires some level of education and I understand you want maintenance needs and needs to be done at what schedule and not just rely on the dealer.
Just picked up a 2022 Model 3. I bought it for the tech. I live in an apartment but there is free L2 charging across the street. I only need to charge once a week. There is a supercharger not too far as well.
Maybe just maybe they (the Engineers and Designers) should stick to proven safety measures, physical Buttons, Switches and Levers. You know levers like the ones needed to get out of the car quickly in the event of an accident ! ReTraining the world how to drive should not be needed PERIOUD!
Never going back. I highly doubt this survey. I drive from FL to Canada 2X a year and it only takes 1 hour longer than an ICE car trip. After a few trips you get to know the system and planning becomes easy.
I think all in all a decent summary of the issues but I think you missed some points. 1. I think the switch to NACS has damaged the infrastructure push. Why would a DC fast charging operator (already a dicey business) look at improving the CCS network when the majority of cars to be sold in the US are switching to NACS? Sure it's a more elegant solution but it would have been much better to go down the European route and force Tesla to switch to CCS. Having more than one charging standard long term is untenable. CHADeMO will die a natural death but I think the US is doomed to have two standards for the foreseeable future. 2. The big infrastructure priority should be for destination charging. Yes, more DC fast chargers are needed but more comprehensive L2 charging (eg every car space in a shopping centre car park, every space in a hotel carpark) means more overnight charging options. 3. TCO is exaggerated for EVs because over the past 12 months the cost of buying an EV has fallen dramatically. Therefore people who bought 2-3 years ago have experienced much higher depreciation than gas cars (which have also experienced higher than normal depreciation due to higher interest rates). For example a Tesla Model Y long range cost $10,000 more new 2 years ago than it does today and if you're prepared to buy inventory that figure is even higher. That means on top of normal depreciation you've lost an additional 20% of the car's original value. To exacerbate that many of the original MY's are coming off lease and flooding the second hand market. It's a similar story with the M3. We have a facelifted model that's actually cheaper, we jave a bunch of Hertz vehicles hitting the second hand market along with people upgrading to the new model. None of this is permanent or a feature of EVs - it's a result of market forces. EVs over the long term will hold their value better than gas cars because the engine is not as durable as the motor. One piece of advice if you're considering an EV for your next purchase - if you don't have a convenient charging option and you don't anticipate that changing over the next 12 months don't buy a plug in vehicle. Don't be mislead by a dealership. Owning an EV is convenient and saves money but only if you can charge overnight (or whenever your car is parked for long periods).
West coast of BC Canada. I know a lot of ev drivers, and ask everyone I charge with when out and about, and exactly 0% of them have said they want to go back to ice. I can't see myself going back to the stink.
The same McKinsey that thought the smartphone wouldn't be that big and estimated an amount of smartphone users 20x less than actually was the reality. The EV owners that are saying they'd switch back are probably non-Tesla EV owners.
I live in the Canadian equivalent of Texas - Alberta. Canadian oil country. They love their big guzzling trucks and they parrot everything bad they've ever heard about EVs. You lose over 50% of your range in the cold. They won't start in the cold. No and no. EVs catch fire a lot. Nope. Pound for pound, ICE vehicles catch fire more often per 100,000 vehicles. It takes an hour or more to charge on the road. Not anymore. I've seen a Tesla get from 10 to 60 percent in just over 15 minutes. They're heavier than ICE vehicles. No. A big truck or SUV weighs way more than a typical EV. The problem is, unless you've either owned an EV or know people well who do, it's easy to be sucked into these myths.
If you live in the Bay Areas, the home charging cost is very high. In San Jose, we have to pay delivery charges to PG&E and generation charges to San Jose Clean Energy. Peak rate is $.64 to PG&E and $.16 to SJCE, so total $.80/ kW. Off-peak rate is around $.68 total.
As of 7/10/2024, I have more than 19,000 road trip miles in my long-range Model Y this year. The only place I would have had to wait was Pocitela, Idaho, the Sunday after the 4th of July. The 5 times I have charged at Pocitela, there are more open than busy stalls. I looked at the line, > 24 minutes wait, slowed down a little, and charged at Idaho Falls. I only remember 2 places with less than 4 open stalls when I arrived. Two years ago, there were about 3 charging locations within 10 miles of my home. Now, there are more than 10, and the new ones are 12 to 20 250KW stalls, while the older ones are V2. I did not visit Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, or any state south of Tennessee or east of Ohio. However, I did see a Ford F150 charging in Moab at a V4 location, where I have charged four times. Tesla's network is built for about 4 times the number of Tesla cars. For the numbers, to be honest, many responders would have to be Tesla owners.
Just bought a 2024 iD.4 AWD PRO S and I would have bought a reliable PHEV SUV with 50+ mi EV range in the same price range over an EV if it existed. We only have one EV and that's awesome for my commute and max distance around city errands. Availability of charging network isn't the only issue I have it is the huge cost of public fast charging. It's not only $/kWh but time. I feel charging stations charge a premium. I will never buy a Tesla, in my area they leave you high and dry either due to arrogance or mismanagement.
Hi Spinner EV, While I appreciate your enthusiasm for the technology, I have to say that your points don't fully address the challenges highlighted in the McKinsey survey. It seems your video focuses mainly on the positives without acknowledging the real concerns EV owners are facing. Here's where I think the survey hits the mark: 1. Public Charging Infrastructure: Even with Tesla's network, charging in cities like NYC is still a major hassle. Many early adopters might have been overly optimistic based on online hype, not real-world experience. 2. Cost of Ownership: The high depreciation and repair costs, coupled with long waits for parts, make EVs a risky financial proposition for many. 3. Road Trips: The lack of flexibility compared to gas stations is a serious drawback for road trips. Getting off the beaten path often means sacrificing convenience for EV owners. Your point about hybrids is well-taken - they offer a good compromise for now. 4. Home Charging: For those in apartments or urban areas, reliable home charging is often just not feasible. It's a luxury that excludes a huge portion of potential EV buyers. 5. Range Anxiety and Battery Degradation: Constantly monitoring charge levels, dealing with phantom drain, and the uncertainty of battery lifespan are real stressors that gas car owners don't face. 6. Driving Experience (Model 3/Y): I've heard this complaint from many owners - the harsh ride quality is a major turn-off for some. I think it's important to have honest conversations about these issues. The concerns raised by the McKinsey survey are valid and deserve to be taken seriously. After all, acknowledging the problems is the first step towards finding solutions.
@@faisalanwar6530 I heard two people trying to get into the head of the respondents in an attempt to understand their thinking. Dunno. They seemed to comment rather honestly to me. _shrug _
I have owned so many cars. My MDL 3 is the easiest car to own. At times I think about a new car that is ICE however the more I think about it I can’t go back. 😎
GM can't (or won't) change the DCFC rate of the Bolt, and since the Bolt is no longer in production, it's a demographic of drivers that will continue to shrink.
I have never spent more 5-10 minutes at a DC charger in a Bolt. The range is already at the limits of what I'm willing to drive in a day. When I drive to another city I'm not turning around 10 minutes later and returning. I park at a level 2 go do what I need to do, and by the time I get the car has plenty of charge. I'm not going to use a DC charger where I have to go back to the car an hour later in the middle of what I am doing and move the car.
My primary use case for DC fast charging my Bolt is when I'm near the end of a 200-300 mile long daytrip and just need a few extra kWh to be able to comfortably get home without needing to resort to measures such as dropping speed or turning off climate control. The average duration for such a stop - in a Bolt - is around 10-15 minutes. Occasionally, it can be less. My most recent DC charge session, for example, lasted all of 4 minutes. The reason why this works is that charging an EV at the end of a trip is a totally different mindset from fueling a combustion car. With the combustion car, you fill up the tank because you're going to need gas to do all your local driving after you get home. With an EV, you put in just enough that you can comfortably get home without needing to shut off air conditioning or drive differently to conserve range, and no more. Then, you plug in the home charger and charge the car up the rest of the way while you sleep.
My issue with plug-in hybrids is that it's two engine powertrains under the same car so two set of issues that could be happening also consider that most states will charge you a higher registration fee to offset the gas tax that you're not getting. With a plug-in hybrid your effectively playing that at least in Georgia that that 200.00 registration fee on top of the gas tax that you'll be paying at the pump so effectively you'll be having more operating costs and if you just went Eevee or just stayed ice car. I would recommend a regular hybrid for those drivers in that way you avoid the state tax
Mobility of the person has to be what the survey is referencing. If elderly or people who become physically impaired can’t handle those thick CCS cables to plug in, they can’t charge. This is independent of charging at home. Not everyone wants to be tethered to the area they live, limited by the range they can return home to charge with a light level 2 charger.
Dont count your chickens just yet . Alstate will adjust their rates on EVs just like the rest. They get you to change to their policy then next renewal it will go up , way up.
I own a 2023 Tesla M3, to be honest I drive my 2007 pick up truck mon-Fri and my M3 on the weekend, I have a charger at home but primarily use superchargers once a week. When I go out of town I prefer my truck, I hate charging away from my home, I actually ran out of power on a out of town trip, I had to be towed to a supercharger…totally my fault because I ignored the car telling me that I would not make it to the next charging station. The range has got to get better, if it was better I think more EV’s would sell. As far as my purchase, I would do it again, only Tesla, besides windshield washer fluid and 1 tire rotation and a twice a month drive through car wash my M3 has been relatively cheap to maintain.
Fairfax County VA here...apartment and townhome complexes can get $10,000.00 from the county to use towards installing chargers. Many apartments and townhouse communities have already taken advantage. My HOA is shopping rates and we plan to install before the end of the year. We might actually be able to break even and not pay for the station to go up. Biggest problem is that it's 4 car chargers and there are way more than 4 EV's in this complex. I have no issues charging my Bolt around town. As for CCS adapting to NACS that all got quiet after Elon fired his super charger team and I don't know if it will happen now. I was so hopeful, but I didn't expect that when I bought my car so I am fine with whatever happens. We definitely need more chargers. And what else would be nice. Those little blue signs on the sides of highways that advertise gas, food and hotels. They should advertise EV charging because even though it is easy to plan ahead. Not everyone is a planner and for those folks you're going to need signage before they will want to switch. Oh and YES I loved getting my tax credit. Paid for my summer vacation.
and make sure they are installed off the entrances so they will not get ICE'd :) I see it so often 3-4 L2 in apartment complexes and all parked in by gas cars.
@@Nick_G37 the only parking spaces unassigned to individual owners are by the pool house, so they will be installed there. Finally, we can have our own chargers installed on poles by our spaces, but of course we have to pay for that. I'll look into it next time money falls from the sky.
More L2 charging at apartments is exactly what is needed to sell more EVs, IMO. HOAs and landlords need to be able to install L2 and make a small profit. Tax credits and Utility rate-basing for cost to install service are needed.
EVs are amazing for very local driving. I am a huge fan. But my next car will likely be an ICE or hybrid. Range is not enough for me on longer distance driving where I go. I love my Etron and will keep it. But it will not take me from Phoenix to Flagstaff due to no real chargers on the route. Very annoying. Home charging is great. Public charging sucks. And Tesla is a non starter with Elmo and his insanity.
The biggest issue is the legacy dealers. Not only is it their business practices but the attitude they have toward EV’s. If someone walked into a dealership the first thing they would do is attempt to talk them out of an EV and try them force them to buy a car that has been sitting on the lot for 300 days. They have so much inventory and interest payments in these cars they have to unload them, so trash talking EV cars are in their best interests.
In 1992, the company I worked for fired McKinsey due to poor surveying. McKinsey is the same company that told AT&T in 1980 that they saw the cell phone market reaching only 900,000 users by 2000. Based on this, AT&T did not correctly invest, and the actual number turned out to be 109,000,000, resulting in AT&T missing a trillion-dollar opportunity. Does anyone know if McKinsey ever interviewed Tesla customers who do not sell their owner-base
As us Luddite’s and anti EV folks keep saying. The theory of EVs sounds good but the reality is they don’t work for everyone. Sometimes they just are not worth all the problems.
The infrastructure issue does concern me. My niece has a Bolt and she often complains about waiting in line. We don't have an EV now, but we're thinking of getting one next year. Instead we may go the Hybrid route simply because of the infrastructure issue, and we have no interest in a Tesla. (Just find them unattractive and don't trust the build quality yet. Plus, we need a crossover or hatchback. And … they are overpriced.) I'll be surprised if GM works a deal with the Tesla Supercharger network soon. Why? Because GM is arguably Tesla's biggest fear, competition-wise. At least in the US. Pricing is no longer an issue for us since there are now affordable options. And we don't buy new.
Numbers can be made to look however the poll taker wants. We had a 100% rise in burglaries last year in my community of 2500 homes. We went from one to two.
I totally don’t believe this survey. Past surveys like this have counted people that buy an ICE vehicle after owning an EV as “switched back to ICE,” even though they did not sell their EV and continue to daily drive it. Often they buy an ICE vehicle for someone else in the family, or replace another ICE vehicle in the household with a new ICE vehicle.
Cost of ownership can be high if you cant charge at home and thought that public charging would be cheaper than gas. Also in some regions, gas is cheaper than electricity
We own 2 MYLRs. People need to do their own research that require their own needs. Example Tesla mobile chargers max @32A so a 30amp breaker will max 24a so it won't trip the breaker.
You said it, people on forums are the enthusiasts. They will likely always buy EVs. We own 3 EVs and I do see why many people would not like them unless they never road tripped.
California, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Virginia have right-to-charge laws to streamline the installation of residential community EV charging stations. Also, Illinois recently passed a right-to-charge law specific to new houses or multiunit buildings.
As an owner of a 2020 Chevy Bolt EV, if you are going to use your EV as your only car, you must have a Level 2 charger installed or available where you live. My rule is if I can't round trip under the range of the car, I take a different vehicle. In the case where you work at home or have a short commute and low weekly driving, you might be able to use the 110v as your only charging source. The dealerships do a horrible job on educating customers and generally the buyers remorse is because the dealership "just needed to make a sale". Relying on public CCS fast charging only is going to let you down at some point and going to leave you stranded. Do your research before buying an EV and stop complaining that they are bad because you didn't do your homework.
You are absolutely right in your thoughts on EVs. Maybe the numbers you mentioned at the beginning of this video are made up by BigOil, because as you also said, there is no way I can confirm those numbers in the EV community I know. I would say people in general are too misled and spoiled by BigOil and at the same time they don't care about climate change and are too inflexible to consider new stuff. Additionally BigOil is responsible for the situation the US is in with transportation, which admittedly doesn't make a transformation easy. 25:57 EV Myths are exclusively spread by BigOil. 28:13 _"...and a lot of it is kind of the CEO..."_ agreed.
Off warranty repairs and replacements on batteries and motors are ridiculously expensive for EVs. Saw one YT guy spent $39k over 300 000 miles. That's utterly ridiculous.
I applaud your attempts to debunk this FUD. What I am saying is the mere act of phrasing the title the way you did helps the lying liars spread this falsehood even if you do debunk it in your video.
How is the CCS to NACS rollout speeding up when Musk fired its entire Supercharger division?? That's a major setback. Maybe Elon wanted to stop that forward charge?
How about Tesla increasing the number of Magic Dock chargers? I recently took an EV road trip and ran into a Tesla charging station in which ALL of the stalls had the Magic Dock option. If Tesla did that to all it's charging locations that would be a game changer right there!!
I've lived in Europe for 8 years and did some long distance driving while I was there. I also lived in multiple states and driven across this beautiful country from the east coast to the west coast several times. Today I'm content just driving around my current home city of El Paso in my Chevy Bolt EV. I wouldn't mind driving back to LA, that's where I'm from, but I would be a little nervous about it lol. I drive my 300,000 mile ice car only to work just to keep the miles low on the Bolt. The Bolt is my fun weekend car. Would I go back to a fossil car full time? Absolutely not. Gr8 vid as usual. 🚙🇺🇸🔌⚡
I think currently EVs aren't for everyone. If you don't own a house with garage where you can install a level 2 charger, your experience will be a bigger hassle than a ice car. If you don't own a tesla its even worse because of how unreliable third party chargers are, not to mention how they are not seamlessly integrated into the car nav.
I wouldn’t own an EV if I couldn’t charge at home. But since I can, I’ll never go back to gas. Love my Tesla.
Same
I can't charge at home and have had 0 issues. People think it's a bigger issue than it actually is.
@Sw33tBabyRays could I ask what you do for charging?
Me too
I live in an apartment, and I charge at work on a 120v for free
For 95% of my driving, my “gas station” is 15 ft from my kitchen in my garage. Doesn’t get any more convenient as an EV owner. Not going back to ICE!!
We have two EVs and would never go back. Misinformation is the largest hurdle EVs face. Thank you for tackling all things EV. I enjoy your channel.
There's nothing 'misinformation' about the cost of electricity at $0.50/kWh on the road versus gas, on the dawn of 50mpg cars. Feel free to disagree with this, but these are the facts.
EVs are too tethered for me. I'd like 5-minute charging that doesn't damage batteries. I don't need much range, just quick charging.
We also have 2 EV’s went from spending $400 on gas a month to $40 a month. Plus they are so smooth to drive! Never going back to ICE!!
@@mikehernandez452 Don't forget to add in your new car payment and insurance payments. Come on people stop with the lies !
@@ImLivinSD I don't think the EV fanboys are lying maliciously, they just really like EVs enough. Like you're implying, unless the math works out for them, that making car payments+insurance (+gap), and driving enough to justify the savings on travel, then maybe.
But taking a typically-priced EV at $40k over 3 yr term with current interest rates (6.2% APR). People are looking at ~$1200-$1300, insurance will be $170 (assuming full coverage with gap endorsement). So unless people are spending $1470+ a month on gas and maintenance, it just doesn't make monetary sense. Even if we increase the loan term to 5 years, it's $820 instead. ($650+$170)
If people are already in the market for a new car, and have a home to charge it (assuming the rates will be much cheaper at
I never wanted an EV until I saw the refreshed Model 3. Ordered the performance model as soon as I could. I went from not even considering one to buying one in like 36 hours.
Great choice. I just got a 2022 Model 3 Long Range and it is by far the nicest car I've ever owned (even compared to my Porsche, which I traded in to get the Tesla).
I will never go back too ICE, I do agree we need more Infrastructure
Oh jeez, going straight for supercar acceleration. I have a 2018 dual motor model 3, after driving a Prius. At first, it felt 0-60 was in 1 second, cause it felt like teleporting. Mine is around 4.5. So a couple recommendations. First, set creep mode off. Then you can rest your foot on the go pedal at a red light. Second, it will feel a little funny at first, because your body expects the car to accelerate like a gas car, and it doesn't, but once your expectations align with reality, it's great. That thing goes great in a straight line on snow too, but to turn or stop you still need traction. And if you want driver engagement, set it to standard regen, and learn to stop without the brake pedal(brakes last a looong time with regen), and learn to drive as if you were in chill mode when you aren't. You have amazing control with that pedal. Also regen is great if you go into a corner a little hot. Anyway, enjoy, but make sure you have space in front of you when you punch it.😉
I also didn't want one either until the new Model 3. They fixed the suspension so it is nice and smooth.
Great video guys. We are now all electric in our family. I never see us going back. Stay safe my friends.
Surprised that many people are concerned about public charging after they made the purchase. Agreed, why did they purchase if public charging is so vital for them.
Every new appartment complex in San Antonio TX has multiple chargin stations. Some old existing appartment complex are also installing chargers. The city own electrical company (cps energy) allows us unlimited charging the entire year for $99.00 in any of those city own chargers, and also includes free parking on the paid parking meters in downtown for the same $99. google it. Although we have one of the lowers rate per kwh in the usa 13.7 cent per kwh (2 cent per mile if you charge at home), it is cheaper to charge at those city own chargers everywhere than charging at home. Think about it, either you live on a appartment or a house, you can drive as much as you please the entire year for only $99. Also San Antonio Major announced that by the year 2025 CPS energy will be 100% dependent on renewable energy only. No more fosil fuels , coal, natural gas, etc. Eryone should buy an EV and save lots of $$, but maybe not buy a testla since Elon is endording the Ati-EV candidate to the presidency. I purchased a Chevy Bolt 2023 and I love it. I will never go back to ICE.
Guy I work with told me recently that you cannot drive an electric car in the rain. I talked a lot about getting one and I took delivery of one last November. He still doesn't know I own one and I have not mentioned it to him yet. I will spring it on him at our next EV debate. I want to come from a position of experience rather than YT videos. On the survey, it's a push by big oil to keep people buying ICE. Big Oil is the reason why, IMO the US doesn't have a train infrastructure. Anyway, thanks for the drop and be well.
You hit the nail right on the head!
Big oil companies will do whatever they can to dissuade people from buying EVs because they'll end up selling far less oil and gas.
It's also incomprehensible that we, in North America, don't have at least HrSR (Higher-speed Rail) train service, operating at up to 125 mph or 200 kph, so as to provide affordable, far more comfortable, faster, and far more environmentally-friendly transportation in comparison to driving, and, in some cases, even air travel, as is the norm throughout the world!
Why am I choosing HrSR over HSR (High Speed Rail)?
Constructing HrSR is considerably less expensive than building HSR while providing most of the benefits along with similar travel times.
If you take a look at Sweden's highly-successful X2000 train service that runs at 200 kph or 125 mph, it's actually an HrSR-type of modernized passenger rail, not HSR!
In reality, the X2000 provides competitive travel times in comparison to some HSR lines in Germany since a significant portion of Germany's rail network doesn't permit HSR speeds.
No wonder our airports, roads, and highways are so clogged with congestion in North America!
Sadly, the present status quo on transportation is hampering the move to fast, modernized passenger rail!
It doesn't have to be this way!
Hah! I just drove through 20 minutes of downpour and flash flooding YESTERDAY in the Tesla. It's RIDICULOUS and PURE IGNORANCE to say you can't drive an EV in the rain. That guy is clueless. 🤦♂
Your coworker is hilarious! I wish he'd been with me a few months ago when I drove our Bolt EUV from FL to OH. It rained for several hundred miles. Roughly 300 miles was like a car wash.
I bought a Hertz M3 like you guys 3 months ago and I love it - in the process of updating electrical panel for L2 home charging. The inflation reduction act allows for %30 tax credit (up to $1000) to add home charging for an ev which is gonna help.
I still have my reservation for my 39 k cybertruck. I’m not paying 100 k for a vehicle. I still have four dogs to care for.
Living in an apartment with an EV hasn’t been a problem for me so far. I’m lucky in my area I’ve got three supercharger locations within a 15min drive. I will say I wouldn’t have bought one without knowing I had plenty of options to charge my car nearby. Also with the $7500 tax credit and occasional incentives from Tesla like the .99% APR on the model y… the price really is in the same ballpark of a brand new top of the line Rav 4/CRV/CX5
I have a townhouse with a street parking space. Because I live in an area where EV's are popular it's easy to find charging. So many people in my neighborhood own EV's and none of us have regrets.
Same for me as well. It's annoying at times to have to plan for charging but I still save a ton of money over the ICE car I had before my EV. I'll live waking up a little earlier once a week haha.
They're probably people who don't have access to home charging or road trip more than the average driver. For my driving needs, I haven't had a single issue with my Model Y. Have a NEMA 14-50 outlet in my garage. I do have a ICE vehicle and a PHEV should I really need to go into an area without a charging network. So far, haven't had to resort to that option.
“Fixing the issues” suggestions at the end are spot on, IMO. Great video.
I was forced in to getting an ev when my ice car transmission went out, only way to get me into a vehicle was with the 4000 dollar tax credit thing for the bolt.( didn't have a downpayment and needed a running car to get kids to work and back. plus get me and the husband to dr ap) had to reseached about the car because the dealer was no help. Didnt know if the charger they gave me would reach the street from the house we rent ( had to order an extender for the end of the cord) had to come up with 250.00 for my tags ( Ohio not getting tax from the gas no more they got to tax ev to get that money they lost) wasnt told about this from my dealer until after I signed the papers.and now a month later I don't want to go back to gas cars.
I tell people all the time that if they substitute one of their ICE vehicles for an EV, they will find themselves choosing to take the EV most of the time. Even had a couple that race between themselves to their EV so as not to get stuck with the ICE vehicle because that person has go get the gas.
I understand that everyone has busy lives, and it can be challenging to keep up with everything. However, a bit of internet research could have provided you with valuable information about this topic. While dealers should certainly do a better job of educating new EV owners, we also need to take responsibility for our own knowledge. We have access to a vast amount of information at our fingertips, and self-education is crucial.
This isn’t meant to sound negative; it’s just an observation. I often see comments from people who are surprised by basic facts, like the difference in refueling times between electricity and liquid fuel. Some things are just common sense.
@@WiltonLiveTV I dont have a busy life just never was interested in this supject, but after getting my ev that is what I have been doing is learning what I can :)
You’re interested in learning now and that’s the important thing. Glad you enjoy the car
@@rightforme understood.
Going on fourth year of owning a Bolt. I will not be without an EV going forward. If we have
a choice, we drive the Bolt.
I too have a Bolt, but it's no good for long trips to see my father (Texas to Kentucky). That's why I bought a Tesla. Now I have the best of ALL worlds :)
Sounds like "Big Oil" is doing all they can to slow down the EV sales.
It isn’t working
No. It’s the Republicans that are succeeding in their goal to stifle progress in America.
Oil companies are one of the largest investors in renewable energy - they receive tax credits and subsidies - can't lose on green energy.. Petroleum has thousands of uses - EVs are substantially made from plastics. You might hate oil, but you can't lived without oil. The asphalt used for paving is made from the residual tar from oil refining. Most American homes are roofed with asphalt shingles - that's just one waste byproduct of oil. The soles of shoes are made from oil. Oil is in almost every product.
Government subsidies and a threatened ban on ICE cars are a sign that "big oil" is not fighting these things but is promoting them wherever possible......... EV fans are usually not that smart or educated.
That, plus costs for batteries and motors. Most can't do it. Hell, only 20% of the population can even afford to buy a Tesla
Agree, level 2 is being neglected by our policy makers!
You will be happier with an EV IF, 1. You can charge at home, 2. You seldom travel more than 2/3 of your EV’s range per day (typically 150-200 miles), 3. You do not TOW or carry a lot of passengers and cargo (better range), 4. You live in a mild climate (better range). 5. You plan to keep your vehicle 5 or more years (less depreciation worries). 6. You live in an area with VERY HIGH fuel prices (California, Hawaii which is $5.00/gal or more)
Towing, ok. But, carrying passengers has negligible impact on an EV's range.
Very high! Fuel tax in CA is $1.21 per gallon. More for diesel. My electric rate is 0.13¢, unless I am in prime time. When you pay $5 a gallon, you better have an economy car, or a motor scooter, if you don’t have an EV.
I would agree with everything you said, living in the UK.
If you have solar to cover the more expensive daytime electricity rates, you should try to get on a "free nights" electricity plan and charge the EV at night -- FREE FUEL. It has worked for me for YEARS.
@@javelinXH992 Downside is a Tesla doesn't have stalks anymore, and its a pain on a roundabout.
Tried to go EV but couldn't find something that worked for me for under $70K. Came really close with the Lyriq, but the cargo space was about 4 cubic feet too small. Want something that can carry skis inside.
It is interesting that so many people say they wouldn't go back. The only people that I've ever spoken to were Leaf owners and Tesla owners that needed a repair. I agree that 95% of people love them.
I am satisfied so far with our EV. If you cannot home charge I can see why people are unhappy. We have a Lyriq and I agree with your statement about the size. It is just a bit too short for skis inside. That is just what GM does. The vehicle fits our needs. If you look at GM all of their vehicles they all fit into niches between the standard sizes for most vehicles.
There will be a larger EV coming from Cadillac. I think it will be called Vistiq.
70k? You couldn't find something in the used market that was less than that and fit your needs? Surprising.
Tesla Model Y has lots of passenger and cargo space. Should be plenty if you just need a bit more than Lyriq. A long range AWD Model Y costs $40,500 after the instant federal tax credit. Long range RWD is only $37,500.
I'm an outlier in that I am still driving my 2011 Nissan Leaf with its original battery. Two things influenced my purchase back then: 1) Subsidies - got $12.5k back on its $36k purchase price with a free home charger and 2) 99% of my trips are short and well within its range (I have a Harley I use when I take any long trips). Cost over those 13 years maintenance wise is under $1500 which includes: 3 accessory batteries (12 volt car battery); 4 key fob batteries; 1 flat tire; and two years ago the electric motor coolant pump had to be replaced and that's is it. No ICE vehicle can come close to that over 13 years. Also, since I don't put many miles on the vehicle my car insurance is mileage limited to also save in cost. As far as my battery the range drop has gone down from 105 miles to 65-70 miles over those 13 years. The car is garaged and I've avoided fast charging, never left the battery fully charged for a long time, and varied the charge level (essentially I babied the battery) and this battery does not have thermal control so if you treat batteries well they will last. Now there is one big con for EVs is that insurance companies tend to write them off if they get in an accident. Repairability of an EV is really limited compared to ICE vehicles.
I have a friend who got a 150mi range Leaf for $15k out the door at end of June 2024. I also know many people personally who got less than 3 years consecutively on 2 traction battery packs in their early Leafs because they refused to do their due diligence like you when it comes to charging. The Leaf is a pretty terrible EV, only technical people like yourself should own them, they are abysmal failures for the average person. I rebuilt the battery pack on my 2005 Toyota Prius in 2020. Before that I only did oil/filter changes myself and one replacement 12V to a yellowtop. Today everything runs perfect except the AC condenser sprung a leak and for me this will total the car at 163kmi (low mileage because of Harley as well), still getting 48mpg after pack restoration, before it died and rebuild it degraded mileage to 44mpg. EV's step the driving experience up from driving a Prius a bunch. Cost per mile ($/mi not C/mi) though is not as huge a difference as most EV evangelists say.
I do prefer to plug my EV in every night over filling my Harley at the gas station every week. Prius gets filled every 3 weeks on avg.
You aren’t the only outlier, Mad, I also had a 2011 Nissan Leaf. 2 12 volt batteries, one flat tire, and a trip to the dealership to fix a loose “skid plate” rubber or plastic under the front of the car. I agree with you, very cheap to keep, but my SOH wasn’t too good at 45%, and 31 miles on the GOM. It was a thrifty car, but after 11 years, and retirement, it was time to change. I bought a PHEV.
Insurance and electricity rates are on the rise for EVs. The battery is the biggest issue for insurance. They are expensive to replace, easy to damage on the highway since it's the entire bottom of the car and batteries degrade over time which increases the odds of replacement as they age. If the battery gets damaged it can be an unpredictable fire hazard for months. Electricity providers have tier rates in some places now and that's how they will make all the lost fuel tax back with EVs. I think getting into an EV right now is unpredictable for future cost of ownership.
@@practicalguy973Insurance doesn't cover battery degradation, that's on the owner. Accidents in any new car can total it, the fire potential isn't necessarily that critical unless the pack goes into thermal runaway. Just about all EVs have excellent safety ratings and safety equipment making the most expensive thing Insurance is concerned about, the people inside, safer. If I replace a 2005 Prius with a 2024 iD.4 which car is safer for the driver and statistically safer in a crash? New cars cost a lot to insure period. Insuring an EV is high only because the MSRP of EVs is high due to expense of battery and new technology. Financing roads needs to be figured out, manufacturers really should be figuring out PHEVs instead of going all in on pure EVs but again financing roads with a fuel tax is also a losing proposition with PHEVs since for all practical purposes they are and EV for most of their daily use. Electrical utilities are in for a battle, 100% of an EVs home charging could be done with solar energy on the home. The home owner or renter pays up front for 5-8 years of electricity and after that period the electricity is free except for fees the utility puts on you for net metering and having it connected to the grid with solar.
@@practicalguy973 No arguments here. Unfortunately most EV owners treat an EV like an ICE vehicle and don't "babied" their battery like they should which shortens its life. One vehicle I'm holding out for is an Aptera that was designed from the ground up to be extremely efficient (3x as efficient as a Tesla) and go a decent range on solar charging (up to 40 miles) so its battery requirements are less than half a regular EV for the same range and thus put less strain on the power grid.
Apartment complex are now adopting level 2 EV chargers which is great.
Nice job on the views. I agree with you thanks. I started my EV journey early 2017. The reason was for me to learn about them. I found a 2015 leaf for a steal. Paid 5k due to an estate sale. Also at the time I lived in an apartment.
Dealers want EVs to fail.
Because? EV's take away the biggest part of their business. Service.
@@mowcowbellBingo!!!
Yes, that is correct
They don’t make money off the Maintenance servicing the EV.
Like they do ice vehicles .
That needs oil changes, belts, hoses, radiators timing belts
Head gaskets!
@@dennisknehans3206 and filters like crazy.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Dealers don't want to have to do extra training and they don't want to have to turn their showroom into a concrete bunker because of EVs...The batteries are flammable so there are guidelines for handling EVs. That's why dealers don't like EVs.
I enjoyed the Warp Drive reference 😅
Follow the money trail... Over one-fifth of new vehicles in the United States were leased in 2023, with the rest being sold outright. The percentage found in the third quarter of 2021 was even higher, with 26 percent of new vehicles in the U.S being leased that year. So if that many people are leasing and ev leases are affordable, no matter whether renting an apartment.....
That just tells me that folks who have no business with a new vehicle are getting one.
I agree the FSD and Rob taxis are non sense for the majority of car buyers. We need a $25 to $30k ev asap...Also the the charging stops need the same facilities as gas stations . I just did a 4,500 mile roads trip in our Tesla model 3 through out the western Usa and had absolutely no problem doing it. The OEM gas companies are fighting indirectly like hell to oppose the change over to EV's ..I will never go back to ICE vehicle..
We get excited over squeegees and trash cans at chargers.
You want a faster horse?
It's not just the gas companies it's the short sellers adding to anti-ev hysteria,I keep running into headlines from local news networks that ev sales have slowed but they never go into details.
Well the fact that evgo is creating charging stations using pilot j I think it is only a matter of time before other gas stations do the same they are just waiting to see how it goes for pilot j and gm I also agree that their needs to be more affordable electric vehicles once you have those adoption will increase but we need the infrastructure to be able to support that increase
I have a 24 ioniq 5 rwd and 22 lexus 450h+. I would never buy all gas vehicles EVER AGAIN. EV OR PHEV TILL I DIE. Went from $80 gas a week to ev $9.00 a week charging at home. Plus ioniq I can give power to refrigerator and some lights if I lose power at my house:)
I like the explanation you did.
Yes, car insurance makes the Cost Of Ownership is high. I think we need government incentives for that.
Although I love my Prius, but all my family love our Model Y much more.
I like the idea of providing level two chargers to the big complex. I payed CAD $1000 to connect NIMA plug in my garage .
With SFD doing most of the work, some time I feel bored in the long trips when everyone in car is sleeping while I am driving and finding nothing to do.
I wonder if you started by telling us about the Mackenzie
Car dealers think EVs will take them out of business. I think that what will happen with buying the car online and much less maintenance.
Was just on a road trip. Free wire chargers were not working for the BZ4X owner. Meanwhile I just backed in my Tesla to the supercharger and plugged in and left.
I’ve had good experiences at them, at least until November when there were enough cars to run the batteries on the unit down.
@@SpinnerEVthat’s good. The Toyota driver ended up having to go to a dealer level 2 charger.
Excellent comments. A must watch video for us prospective EV buyers.
"Care for the environment "? Rare earth materials used, mining issues, toxic driving issues and end of life waste. Also . .extreme child labor activities. The Prius option is the best for most.
Most stuck up Green Snob Eco Worriers don’t care, they only care about virtue signaling to their snobby neighbors will think better of them.
I agree with your assessment and I wouldn’t be surprised if the petroleum industry is behindthis survey. I own the Nissan Ariya and love it. I’m a homeowner and fortunate to have a nearby Tesla supercharger that has the built-in magic dock and I’ve seen Rivian, Lightning, Kia’s all charging there. To me, Tesla needs to build more of these types of stations so everyone can enjoy.
Why do people buy EV when it doesn't suit them? Because they were told this was the only cheap, green, future vehicle to have. Unfortunately, EV propaganda doesn't consider that some people may not get the benifits that they claim to have, and some people buy them without questioning. Not a new phenomenon, but many EV activists would still say it's saving the planet, but that doesn't help people stuck with a depreciating, expensive to run, inconvenient vehicle. P.S. I can't plan my trips. I go to where the work is, not where the chargers are. Good video conversation, well done for being brave enough to save some people shouldn't buy one.
Im doing my part in infrastructure. My business and every property i own or spend a significant amount of time at has a charger.
Thamks
Wow, Luke! You really scored a bunch of comments on this one! Good video. As for insurance, ours went down when we traded our Prius on the Ioniq 5. I forgot what happened when we got our Bolt, but I think it went down then, too. Maintenance on an EV is quite a chore. Our '22 Bolt has just over 34,000 miles on it. I've already had to replace the wiper blades and I've had to add washer fluid twice. The Ioniq 5 is still new and on the original washer fluid. 😎 Never going to a gas station again except for snacks on a road trip. And road trips in an EV are a real ton of fun. We loved road tripping the Bolt and the Ioniq 5 is just as quick as our gas car on the road. But the real bonus is having a "full tank" every morning almost for free. So far, the Bolt has saved us about $2,500 in fuel compared to a 30 mpg gasser.
Great info and thanks for breaking it down.
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Good video
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I have Letterly owned well over 500 cars and trucks and never totally liked any of them, I went to school for mechanics, worked in the field for many years, and finally brought a chevy bolt. It is the only vehicle that i have owned that I can honestly say I Love it, when I drove ice vehicles, I knew something could break at anytime because of all the moving parts that wear out and I have repaired most of all their problems. If they had a better charging system no one would own a ice vehicle. The day's of ice's are about over and they are trying to hand on with everything they have left.
Your100% right with your opinion. The big issue is Cost and Time for repairs. I am going to be driving ICE for a long time because they are easy and cheap to fix. Wait till you get the Shock of your first EV repair!
Really like your videos! Great work on your editing and production! 👍🏻 Your style and personality are very real! Keep it up. Like the HD tshirts, too!
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I tend to look at EV cars and trucks just like diesel. It all depends on where you live. You use diesel I farm and ranch country where there are not a lot of gas stations and gas mileage matters. Here on the East Coast there is a very good EV charging network. In fact in Northern Virginia they passed legislation to add level 2 charging to apartments and condos. In Maryland there is public charging at most Senior Citizen centers and Public libraries. GM has been subsidizing home chargers. Most houses have a dryer outlet. When wired properly is really all you need. Most people only take 2 to 5 road-trips a year in excess of 300 miles. EV’s have that covered. For those with range anxiety. Just rent a car for your long trips.
Charging at home (or at work) is a big helper to owning an EV. With my Zoe, for the past 7 years, I didn't have to think about charging/range. With my ICE vehicle (that I switched for an EV), I was always postponing my trip to the petrol station.
For the cost, in the USA petrol is cheap (like half the price of France), so of course there will be less of an impact.
For long trips (which is not often), In France we have good infrastructure. All chargers use the same standard CCS (which is one of the thinks that lack in the USA) so any car can use any charger (except Nissan Leafs that use Chademo). Stopping every 2-3 hours for 30 minutes is OK. Most of the time we need to stop anyway. For very long trips I usually start at night, so 30 minutes of extra sleep while charging is great.
I have a Tesla Model Y Long Range with acceleration boost, a Ram 1500 and a BMW M3. My wife has a Tesla Model 3 Longe Range with acceleration boost and a Genesis G80. We drive our Teslas 99.9% of the time. If we had to keep only 2 vehicles we'd keep the Teslas.
We have 2 level 2 chargers, one for each Tesla, we have solar panels and free nighttime electricity (9pm-7am).
I only need to fast charge when out of range to get home. Done it once when I needed to , but had tried DCFC testing the car several times. It's still a learning experience each time on different network and unit. I have a charging credit I have yet to use up. Much more convenient to charge at home than to go to a DCFC, wait there, and use the credit. If you don't have home or close by public or work level 2, it would not be a fun ownership experience or cheaper than ICE relying on DCFC -on CCS1 . We also have a PHEV which is OK (Spousal requirement ) but unless you can charge it up every day it's a waste of money to pay extra to buy one.
All of the reasons cited in the survey are legitimate. I would add cold weather battery performance. A lot of EV enthusiasts won’t even admit the issues are real.
Those south and west of the Rust Belt may not know that issue exists, but I'm sure they'll tell you that extreme heat will impact range.
I always say that BEVs aren't for everyone or every application (towing, multifamily residence, rural access), but if they work for you, you most likely won't be be going back to ICE.
Cold weather battery performance IS rough. My 2017 Chevy Bolt loses 25% of it's range in the winter, and I'm in TEXAS where it's not even that bad.
Especially those crazy Norwegians. The latest numbers I've seen are that 80-90% over new cars there are EVs.
@@jerrymildredpetersen3177 Massive government intervention and (until recently) cheap electricity.
@@gregorymalchuk272 Lots of government intervention, but that has nothing to do with the comment I replied to. (cold weather performance)
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I would like to see some proof that they actually surveyed EV owners because it does not match my experience as an EV owner or anyone that I know with an EV. It sounds more like they had an agenda to push and knew it would grab headlines. The concerns brought up are what I hear from the "general" population, not EV owners themselves.
Diesel rules the wasteland. 3 mins to put 1000k range in my tank. No chargers, no waiting hrs, no queues.
We have been exclusively driving EV's since 2011, so 13 years now. Very relatable video, but over here in Europe this would have been made ten years ago! Now, however, this is no longer true. We never again have to plan for road trips because there are plenty of fast chargers everywhere and battery capacity and effeciency have risen so much! Mayby still a bit less in Germany because of political ties with ICE manufacturers and pressure to prevent EV's, but they are catching up now.
And for level 2 home charging: done that all this time, and now, since our energy provider over here sells energy for the cost price, and that is often completely free with exclusive wind and sun energy or even negative, we often charge our car for free or even get a few euro's as a bonus for charging!
The infrastructure I am sure is a big factor. High density areas on the coasts I see lots of reports at chargers are packed and lines. Worse yet the CCS chargers being down are unacceptable. One factor not getting a lot of press is the nose bleed prices being charged at these CCS charging places. Of course it isn't universal, but it is very bad. I live in MO and drive through rural areas and if you can find a charger you are lucky, they are slow, and during the peak travel times there are lines waiting. Right now I am planning a trip in a few weeks and the utility(Ameren) in the areas where I need to travel are once again(they did this last year) derating the chargers to keep the grid load down. They are load shedding. These were already slow chargers, but being derated to 30kw. This is completely unacceptable. If the people at these utilities drove EV's that would NEVER be acceptable. Time to get busy building infrastructure. Are there EV owners considering returning to ICE? I am sure there are. I have seen reports of people going back to Hybrids. That is believable I think for normies that aren't EV enthusiasts. Right now I am trying to decide if it is worth it to try and route around these areas to avoid those delays. Every day the Tesla SC's look better and better...
Sadly Tesla is marching to UN/WEF mandates. The climate alarm has them pushing for no vehicle ownership and they have 2030 milestones they have to meet that will significantly curtail vehicle ownership operation in city settings. This is why the Tesla focus has shifted to robotaxi and FSD. I have no issue with Optimus focus, but Tesla appears to be diverging from what people want to focus on coming mandates.
On the face of it the road trip delays does appear to be significant to people casually looking at it. But how many of these people actually pay attention to how much time they spend already with ICE? There isn't a lot of difference between ICE and the faster charging EV's today. Frankly looking at the times I see reported and in ABRP the faster EV's are already faster than I am typically ready to go. Not the case with my Bolt unfortunately. I stop more often with the EV than I do when I am in ICE. I admit that, but now that I do it I don't really mind the extra stops as long as I am not forced to wait on the car.
If I couldn't charge at home I would not own an EV. It is a complete nonstarter to me. Maybe if I could charge at work it might be acceptable depending on the situation. Thankfully the manufacturers are ending the free charging incentives fewer people will be camping at chargers to get a 100% charge.
There are still significant speed bumps for EV ownership. We can't downplay it. We see some of these factors starting to change that, but it will take time.
As enthusiasts we are willing to plan, prepare, and change what we do. But it is a legit concern for normies. At this point I don't evangelize EV's. If I am asked I will tell it like it is and let the hearer decide if they can look past the warts. EV's are fun, love it. I just need to get into a different EV to deal with the shortcomings of the Bolt for my own needs. Longer cross country road trips and winter road trips to see family really are not good in the Bolt so I am in the market for a replacement despite the massive financial beating I am about to take.
"Sadly", really? Here's a question for you Climate change denier. If there is no climate change and we do all these things to combat it, what's the worst that happens? We get better technology, cleaner air, etc. BUT, if Climate change is real (it is), and we do nothing about it like you deniers support, WE ARE DEAD. Simple thought process.
Also, I was born and raised in MO. I have taken my two Teslas for repeated trips to visit family. And not just to Columbia, my hometown, or KC or St Louis, but to rural South Central MO. Where did I charge? EV parks. Just a little thought effort and solutions are EVERYWHERE. And keep in mind, an EV can charge ANYWHERE there is electricity. An ICE vehicle can only refuel where gas is stored. Believe me, there are places in MO where no gas is AVAILABLE.
@@bigdougscommentary5719 Tesla's have options for sure being able to use both CCS and the SC's. You get in rural MO and charging is few and far between. I road trip through farm country in MO/IA/IL and charging is a challenge. But I am in a Bolt so the options are limited, slow, and this time of year Ameren is derated to 30kw for the summer! I have to make 2 stops on their chargers here in a few weeks and not looking forward to it. And that assumes that both chargers will be up and functioning... Oh boy. I think there is a Tesla in my no so distant future.
"Sadly Tesla is marching to UN/WEF mandates. The climate alarm has them pushing for no vehicle ownership and they have 2030 milestones they have to meet that will significantly curtail vehicle ownership operation in city settings."
This seems overly speculative, and has no evidence to support it. Nobody is seriously proposing mandates to curtail vehicle ownership. The reason why Tesla is pushing robotaxis is because it's valuation is too high to be justified on the basis of car sales (other car companies' market caps are all much less), so Elon Musk is trying to capitalize on the AI hype. After all, even in a world where individuals own cars, there is still a market for robotaxis, just like there is a market for Uber rides today. It just won't be nearly as abundant or cheap as Elon Musk claims it will be.
Another direction Tesla could take with self-driving technology is as a solution for how people who live in apartments charge their cars. Today, you have to either sit and wait for the car to charge at a supercharger, or find a level 2 within walking distance of where you're going to be for several hours. But, if the cars have self-driving capabilities, it brings forth a 3rd option, where anytime you're spending a few hours in one place, the car could drive itself to a charger a few miles away, plug itself in, and drive back. This, in turn, could lead Tesla to open up vast charging hubs, built strictly around cars coming and going autonomously, with humans (other than Tesla security people) not even allowed on the property. Because such a facility could be built literally anywhere with sufficient power, the land would be cheap, which would make the charging costs cheap. I can easily envision autonomous driving to humanless chargers being the future of EV charging (at least, for people not on road trips), and when this does happen, EV charging will have achieved equal convenience to gasoline, even for people without home charging equipment, and without the need for super-fast chargers delivering hundreds of kilowatts. The impact will be huge, and if Tesla gets there before others do, it will be a big competitive advantage that well help them sell cars to the huge audience of "unable-to-charge-at-home" apartment dwellers.
I just picked up my Volvo easy the other day and that was after a month of watching just about every RUclips channel including yours to educate myself and I continue to save and watch your daily videos and save it into a playlist to refer back to
But honestly this is no different than when I drove an ice car. Turbo direct-injected engines as well as just about every modern vehicle requires some level of education and I understand you want maintenance needs and needs to be done at what schedule and not just rely on the dealer.
Just picked up a 2022 Model 3. I bought it for the tech. I live in an apartment but there is free L2 charging across the street. I only need to charge once a week. There is a supercharger not too far as well.
If you’re not going to educate yourself on ev’s then you shouldn’t be buying one
its ok for stupid people to buy one. geez .. A lot of people will not educate them selves on anything. Thats part of being stupid.
Maybe just maybe they (the Engineers and Designers) should stick to proven safety measures, physical Buttons, Switches and Levers. You know levers like the ones needed to get out of the car quickly in the event of an accident ! ReTraining the world how to drive should not be needed PERIOUD!
INCORRECT! Stupid people have the right to learn the hard way. Much of society depends of stupid people doing stupid stuff.
Never going back. I highly doubt this survey. I drive from FL to Canada 2X a year and it only takes 1 hour longer than an ICE car trip. After a few trips you get to know the system and planning becomes easy.
Tesla "dealer" didn't teach me anything but it's so easy I didn't need more than a few videos
I think all in all a decent summary of the issues but I think you missed some points.
1. I think the switch to NACS has damaged the infrastructure push. Why would a DC fast charging operator (already a dicey business) look at improving the CCS network when the majority of cars to be sold in the US are switching to NACS? Sure it's a more elegant solution but it would have been much better to go down the European route and force Tesla to switch to CCS. Having more than one charging standard long term is untenable. CHADeMO will die a natural death but I think the US is doomed to have two standards for the foreseeable future.
2. The big infrastructure priority should be for destination charging. Yes, more DC fast chargers are needed but more comprehensive L2 charging (eg every car space in a shopping centre car park, every space in a hotel carpark) means more overnight charging options.
3. TCO is exaggerated for EVs because over the past 12 months the cost of buying an EV has fallen dramatically. Therefore people who bought 2-3 years ago have experienced much higher depreciation than gas cars (which have also experienced higher than normal depreciation due to higher interest rates). For example a Tesla Model Y long range cost $10,000 more new 2 years ago than it does today and if you're prepared to buy inventory that figure is even higher. That means on top of normal depreciation you've lost an additional 20% of the car's original value. To exacerbate that many of the original MY's are coming off lease and flooding the second hand market. It's a similar story with the M3. We have a facelifted model that's actually cheaper, we jave a bunch of Hertz vehicles hitting the second hand market along with people upgrading to the new model. None of this is permanent or a feature of EVs - it's a result of market forces. EVs over the long term will hold their value better than gas cars because the engine is not as durable as the motor.
One piece of advice if you're considering an EV for your next purchase - if you don't have a convenient charging option and you don't anticipate that changing over the next 12 months don't buy a plug in vehicle. Don't be mislead by a dealership. Owning an EV is convenient and saves money but only if you can charge overnight (or whenever your car is parked for long periods).
West coast of BC Canada. I know a lot of ev drivers, and ask everyone I charge with when out and about, and exactly 0% of them have said they want to go back to ice. I can't see myself going back to the stink.
The same McKinsey that thought the smartphone wouldn't be that big and estimated an amount of smartphone users 20x less than actually was the reality.
The EV owners that are saying they'd switch back are probably non-Tesla EV owners.
I'm never going back to ice car 🚘 I love the EV experience. I love my Tesla! ❤
I live in the Canadian equivalent of Texas - Alberta. Canadian oil country. They love their big guzzling trucks and they parrot everything bad they've ever heard about EVs. You lose over 50% of your range in the cold. They won't start in the cold. No and no. EVs catch fire a lot. Nope. Pound for pound, ICE vehicles catch fire more often per 100,000 vehicles. It takes an hour or more to charge on the road. Not anymore. I've seen a Tesla get from 10 to 60 percent in just over 15 minutes. They're heavier than ICE vehicles. No. A big truck or SUV weighs way more than a typical EV. The problem is, unless you've either owned an EV or know people well who do, it's easy to be sucked into these myths.
If you live in the Bay Areas, the home charging cost is very high. In San Jose, we have to pay delivery charges to PG&E and generation charges to San Jose Clean Energy. Peak rate is $.64 to PG&E and $.16 to SJCE, so total $.80/ kW. Off-peak rate is around $.68 total.
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As of 7/10/2024, I have more than 19,000 road trip miles in my long-range Model Y this year. The only place I would have had to wait was Pocitela, Idaho, the Sunday after the 4th of July. The 5 times I have charged at Pocitela, there are more open than busy stalls. I looked at the line, > 24 minutes wait, slowed down a little, and charged at Idaho Falls. I only remember 2 places with less than 4 open stalls when I arrived. Two years ago, there were about 3 charging locations within 10 miles of my home. Now, there are more than 10, and the new ones are 12 to 20 250KW stalls, while the older ones are V2.
I did not visit Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, or any state south of Tennessee or east of Ohio. However, I did see a Ford F150 charging in Moab at a V4 location, where I have charged four times.
Tesla's network is built for about 4 times the number of Tesla cars.
For the numbers, to be honest, many responders would have to be Tesla owners.
Just bought a 2024 iD.4 AWD PRO S and I would have bought a reliable PHEV SUV with 50+ mi EV range in the same price range over an EV if it existed. We only have one EV and that's awesome for my commute and max distance around city errands. Availability of charging network isn't the only issue I have it is the huge cost of public fast charging. It's not only $/kWh but time. I feel charging stations charge a premium. I will never buy a Tesla, in my area they leave you high and dry either due to arrogance or mismanagement.
Great video and accurate information
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Hi Spinner EV,
While I appreciate your enthusiasm for the technology, I have to say that your points don't fully address the challenges highlighted in the McKinsey survey. It seems your video focuses mainly on the positives without acknowledging the real concerns EV owners are facing.
Here's where I think the survey hits the mark:
1. Public Charging Infrastructure: Even with Tesla's network, charging in cities like NYC is still a major hassle. Many early adopters might have been overly optimistic based on online hype, not real-world experience.
2. Cost of Ownership: The high depreciation and repair costs, coupled with long waits for parts, make EVs a risky financial proposition for many.
3. Road Trips: The lack of flexibility compared to gas stations is a serious drawback for road trips. Getting off the beaten path often means sacrificing convenience for EV owners. Your point about hybrids is well-taken - they offer a good compromise for now.
4. Home Charging: For those in apartments or urban areas, reliable home charging is often just not feasible. It's a luxury that excludes a huge portion of potential EV buyers.
5. Range Anxiety and Battery Degradation: Constantly monitoring charge levels, dealing with phantom drain, and the uncertainty of battery lifespan are real stressors that gas car owners don't face.
6. Driving Experience (Model 3/Y): I've heard this complaint from many owners - the harsh ride quality is a major turn-off for some.
I think it's important to have honest conversations about these issues. The concerns raised by the McKinsey survey are valid and deserve to be taken seriously. After all, acknowledging the problems is the first step towards finding solutions.
I think they addressed all those.
@t0dd000 It was only addressed from a biased pro-ev viewpoint. Not a neutral viewpoint like the survey with 30,000 respondents.
@@faisalanwar6530 I heard two people trying to get into the head of the respondents in an attempt to understand their thinking. Dunno. They seemed to comment rather honestly to me. _shrug _
A $25k Tesla would be huge but the RoboTaxi will be even bigger and a complete game changer.
I have owned so many cars. My MDL 3 is the easiest car to own. At times I think about a new car that is ICE however the more I think about it I can’t go back. 😎
Tesla should require Bolt to have a higher charge rate before allowing them to connect to the supercharger network.
GM can't (or won't) change the DCFC rate of the Bolt, and since the Bolt is no longer in production, it's a demographic of drivers that will continue to shrink.
I have never spent more 5-10 minutes at a DC charger in a Bolt. The range is already at the limits of what I'm willing to drive in a day. When I drive to another city I'm not turning around 10 minutes later and returning. I park at a level 2 go do what I need to do, and by the time I get the car has plenty of charge. I'm not going to use a DC charger where I have to go back to the car an hour later in the middle of what I am doing and move the car.
My primary use case for DC fast charging my Bolt is when I'm near the end of a 200-300 mile long daytrip and just need a few extra kWh to be able to comfortably get home without needing to resort to measures such as dropping speed or turning off climate control. The average duration for such a stop - in a Bolt - is around 10-15 minutes. Occasionally, it can be less. My most recent DC charge session, for example, lasted all of 4 minutes.
The reason why this works is that charging an EV at the end of a trip is a totally different mindset from fueling a combustion car. With the combustion car, you fill up the tank because you're going to need gas to do all your local driving after you get home. With an EV, you put in just enough that you can comfortably get home without needing to shut off air conditioning or drive differently to conserve range, and no more. Then, you plug in the home charger and charge the car up the rest of the way while you sleep.
My issue with plug-in hybrids is that it's two engine powertrains under the same car so two set of issues that could be happening also consider that most states will charge you a higher registration fee to offset the gas tax that you're not getting. With a plug-in hybrid your effectively playing that at least in Georgia that that 200.00 registration fee on top of the gas tax that you'll be paying at the pump so effectively you'll be having more operating costs and if you just went Eevee or just stayed ice car.
I would recommend a regular hybrid for those drivers in that way you avoid the state tax
Mobility of the person has to be what the survey is referencing. If elderly or people who become physically impaired can’t handle those thick CCS cables to plug in, they can’t charge. This is independent of charging at home. Not everyone wants to be tethered to the area they live, limited by the range they can return home to charge with a light level 2 charger.
People that buy a non-Tesla shouldn’t be surprised when they have a bad experience. Tesla has the highest retention of any brand for a reason.
I enjoyed this video discussion.
Thanks!
Dont count your chickens just yet . Alstate will adjust their rates on EVs just like the rest. They get you to change to their policy then next renewal it will go up , way up.
As they should, why should I who drives a 10,000 dollar truck get saddled with higher payment because your EV got broken and the written off.
I own a 2023 Tesla M3, to be honest I drive my 2007 pick up truck mon-Fri and my M3 on the weekend, I have a charger at home but primarily use superchargers once a week. When I go out of town I prefer my truck, I hate charging away from my home, I actually ran out of power on a out of town trip, I had to be towed to a supercharger…totally my fault because I ignored the car telling me that I would not make it to the next charging station. The range has got to get better, if it was better I think more EV’s would sell. As far as my purchase, I would do it again, only Tesla, besides windshield washer fluid and 1 tire rotation and a twice a month drive through car wash my M3 has been relatively cheap to maintain.
Fairfax County VA here...apartment and townhome complexes can get $10,000.00 from the county to use towards installing chargers. Many apartments and townhouse communities have already taken advantage. My HOA is shopping rates and we plan to install before the end of the year. We might actually be able to break even and not pay for the station to go up. Biggest problem is that it's 4 car chargers and there are way more than 4 EV's in this complex. I have no issues charging my Bolt around town. As for CCS adapting to NACS that all got quiet after Elon fired his super charger team and I don't know if it will happen now. I was so hopeful, but I didn't expect that when I bought my car so I am fine with whatever happens. We definitely need more chargers. And what else would be nice. Those little blue signs on the sides of highways that advertise gas, food and hotels. They should advertise EV charging because even though it is easy to plan ahead. Not everyone is a planner and for those folks you're going to need signage before they will want to switch. Oh and YES I loved getting my tax credit. Paid for my summer vacation.
That's great, I live in Southern California drove through an apartment building parking lot didn't see any Chargers but a few EVS
and make sure they are installed off the entrances so they will not get ICE'd :) I see it so often 3-4 L2 in apartment complexes and all parked in by gas cars.
@Nick_G37 true, better in public parking. I've called Burbank police many times, K$s of well deserved tickets
@@Nick_G37 the only parking spaces unassigned to individual owners are by the pool house, so they will be installed there. Finally, we can have our own chargers installed on poles by our spaces, but of course we have to pay for that. I'll look into it next time money falls from the sky.
Agree, I will be iced before I ever get an ICE
More L2 charging at apartments is exactly what is needed to sell more EVs, IMO. HOAs and landlords need to be able to install L2 and make a small profit. Tax credits and Utility rate-basing for cost to install service are needed.
EVs are amazing for very local driving. I am a huge fan. But my next car will likely be an ICE or hybrid. Range is not enough for me on longer distance driving where I go. I love my Etron and will keep it. But it will not take me from Phoenix to Flagstaff due to no real chargers on the route. Very annoying. Home charging is great. Public charging sucks. And Tesla is a non starter with Elmo and his insanity.
The biggest issue is the legacy dealers. Not only is it their business practices but the attitude they have toward EV’s. If someone walked into a dealership the first thing they would do is attempt to talk them out of an EV and try them force them to buy a car that has been sitting on the lot for 300 days. They have so much inventory and interest payments in these cars they have to unload them, so trash talking EV cars are in their best interests.
You should investigate why the federal charging station build-out program has been such a flop. Billions allocated, almost none built.
He probably wants to continue living.
In 1992, the company I worked for fired McKinsey due to poor surveying. McKinsey is the same company that told AT&T in 1980 that they saw the cell phone market reaching only 900,000 users by 2000. Based on this, AT&T did not correctly invest, and the actual number turned out to be 109,000,000, resulting in AT&T missing a trillion-dollar opportunity. Does anyone know if McKinsey ever interviewed Tesla customers who do not sell their owner-base
Sounds like they don’t have the best track record.
Is charging really going to get better? Or worse as other brands flock to Tesla stations.
My daughter went back to ICE after 18 months of Tesla headaces.
As us Luddite’s and anti EV folks keep saying. The theory of EVs sounds good but the reality is they don’t work for everyone. Sometimes they just are not worth all the problems.
The infrastructure issue does concern me. My niece has a Bolt and she often complains about waiting in line. We don't have an EV now, but we're thinking of getting one next year. Instead we may go the Hybrid route simply because of the infrastructure issue, and we have no interest in a Tesla. (Just find them unattractive and don't trust the build quality yet. Plus, we need a crossover or hatchback. And … they are overpriced.)
I'll be surprised if GM works a deal with the Tesla Supercharger network soon. Why? Because GM is arguably Tesla's biggest fear, competition-wise. At least in the US.
Pricing is no longer an issue for us since there are now affordable options. And we don't buy new.
Numbers can be made to look however the poll taker wants. We had a 100% rise in burglaries last year in my community of 2500 homes. We went from one to two.
It feels like 1000% increase when it happens to you.
For most of the issues listed, it sounds like people didn’t do their research before buying.
I'd buy a Jeep Wrangler 4xe 🚙 full electric in the future if they get good range... For now, I'll stick with the Plug-in version... ºlllllllº
I own an ev and absolutely love it yes I would never go back so odd.. I hate media nowadays
Charging with free solar and wind power and be exonerated from the oil companies is my goal.
I totally don’t believe this survey. Past surveys like this have counted people that buy an ICE vehicle after owning an EV as “switched back to ICE,” even though they did not sell their EV and continue to daily drive it. Often they buy an ICE vehicle for someone else in the family, or replace another ICE vehicle in the household with a new ICE vehicle.
Cost of ownership can be high if you cant charge at home and thought that public charging would be cheaper than gas. Also in some regions, gas is cheaper than electricity
We own 2 MYLRs. People need to do their own research that require their own needs. Example Tesla mobile chargers max @32A so a 30amp breaker will max 24a so it won't trip the breaker.
You said it, people on forums are the enthusiasts. They will likely always buy EVs. We own 3 EVs and I do see why many people would not like them unless they never road tripped.
California, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Virginia have right-to-charge laws to streamline the installation of residential community EV charging stations. Also, Illinois recently passed a right-to-charge law specific to new houses or multiunit buildings.
As an owner of a 2020 Chevy Bolt EV, if you are going to use your EV as your only car, you must have a Level 2 charger installed or available where you live. My rule is if I can't round trip under the range of the car, I take a different vehicle. In the case where you work at home or have a short commute and low weekly driving, you might be able to use the 110v as your only charging source. The dealerships do a horrible job on educating customers and generally the buyers remorse is because the dealership "just needed to make a sale". Relying on public CCS fast charging only is going to let you down at some point and going to leave you stranded. Do your research before buying an EV and stop complaining that they are bad because you didn't do your homework.
You are absolutely right in your thoughts on EVs.
Maybe the numbers you mentioned at the beginning of this video are made up by BigOil, because as you also said, there is no way I can confirm those numbers in the EV community I know.
I would say people in general are too misled and spoiled by BigOil and at the same time they don't care about climate change and are too inflexible to consider new stuff.
Additionally BigOil is responsible for the situation the US is in with transportation, which admittedly doesn't make a transformation easy.
25:57 EV Myths are exclusively spread by BigOil.
28:13 _"...and a lot of it is kind of the CEO..."_ agreed.
NEVA GOING BACK
Off warranty repairs and replacements on batteries and motors are ridiculously expensive for EVs. Saw one YT guy spent $39k over 300 000 miles. That's utterly ridiculous.
I applaud your attempts to debunk this FUD. What I am saying is the mere act of phrasing the title the way you did helps the lying liars spread this falsehood even if you do debunk it in your video.
How is the CCS to NACS rollout speeding up when Musk fired its entire Supercharger division?? That's a major setback. Maybe Elon wanted to stop that forward charge?
How about Tesla increasing the number of Magic Dock chargers? I recently took an EV road trip and ran into a Tesla charging station in which ALL of the stalls had the Magic Dock option. If Tesla did that to all it's charging locations that would be a game changer right there!!
Your not happy with what Tesla has done for you so far, you want more?
I've lived in Europe for 8 years and did some long distance driving while I was there. I also lived in multiple states and driven across this beautiful country from the east coast to the west coast several times. Today I'm content just driving around my current home city of El Paso in my Chevy Bolt EV. I wouldn't mind driving back to LA, that's where I'm from, but I would be a little nervous about it lol. I drive my 300,000 mile ice car only to work just to keep the miles low on the Bolt. The Bolt is my fun weekend car. Would I go back to a fossil car full time? Absolutely not. Gr8 vid as usual. 🚙🇺🇸🔌⚡
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I think currently EVs aren't for everyone. If you don't own a house with garage where you can install a level 2 charger, your experience will be a bigger hassle than a ice car. If you don't own a tesla its even worse because of how unreliable third party chargers are, not to mention how they are not seamlessly integrated into the car nav.