Transition: Heated debate breaks out about Bears' lack of bold decisions
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- Опубликовано: 9 янв 2024
- The Bears retained head coach Matt Eberflus for the 2024 season, leading to a heated debate between Dan Bernstein, Laurence Holmes, Danny Parkins and Matt Spiegel in transition. Did the Bears make the right move or should they have pivoted?
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Dan is 100% right that Matt Eberflus is responsible for hiring and coaching his set of coordinators and coaches. That is his number one job if he cannot do that and Ryan Poles has to do it for him then why is Eberflus there
Eberflus and Poles are working together in building this team. They are both rookies themselves and are learning much - but have solid talent in finding talent ignored by the entire league such as Tyson Bagent.
He should be given credit for making changes immediately that didn’t work too. That’s good leadership and management.
@Michael-CharlesAust-ee5oo Tyson Bagent? 😂 He has a weak arm, that's why when Fields was out, all the Bears did was dink and dunk, you can't be a starting NFL QB with his arm, ain't no teams trying to snatch him away from us lol
Eberflus is responsible for the coaches but he isn’t responsible for what they do at home or during their free time or how they interact with other people. These are grown men not children.
When you’ve been accustomed to mediocrity for so long that you’re justifying mediocrity without knowing it.
My thoughts exactly.
Thought I was the only one that caught that
It’s horrendous, the sad part is the GM and president are doing the same thing so we will probably yet again pass on a QB while they ball out elsewhere and we have a lame duck coach waiting to be fired.
Its exactly how these 3 dudes sound
Kind of applies to Chicago in general. A once great city now just accustomed to mediocrity.
Absolutely agree with Dan. Im not exactly sure what Bears team the rest of the goons are watching for the last 15 years.
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I never agree with Dan. But I have to say he's right on the mark with this one.
2018???
Dan is 100% correct. The rest of the crew has a bad case of Stockholm syndrome. Decades of mediocrity has allowed them to sink their expectation bar to pathetic lows. Keeping Matt eberflus was a mistake. He’s done little to earn that job back. Bears are a disgrace to their city and fans
Bears are a disgrace to fans and the city.. but the pig headed owners dictate mediocrity. What really needs to be done is for the McKaskey’s need to sell this r team to someone who cares . The owners are making Football Decisions and should only stay on the business side and hire Football Smart people. Truly,, it’s the owners who suck since 1986,,,the Super Bowl 20 team was constructed by papa bear Halas.. the current Jack Asses have no idea about Football Operations or Smarts. Yes , the inherited owners suck big time really suck bad & can’t see that … It’s so sad It’s so very sad..
Now, that was a conversation. 4 points of view, voiced intelligently and with confidence. 670 the score!!
The issue with not having an offensive head coach is that if you find a great offensive coordinator, he will leave to be someone else’s head coach. If you have a great offensive head coach, he is going nowhere. It’s why Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan can lose offensive coordinators, and still have an effective offensive scheme. As it is, the goal for Eberflus is to find an awesome offensive coordinator. However, if he is successful in doing so, that coordinator will immediately leave to be a head coach and then Eberflus has to start the search all over again next year.
Bingo!
Who cares because 1 successful year under the right OC could set up Fields/draft pick for success every year after.
@@robdaniel3211 every year after? look at the eagles did they looked successful to you? how about atlanta falcon after shanahan gone? idk man you are talking nonsense to me.
@@robdaniel3211 Russel Wilson under Nathaniel Hackett’s system would like a word with you.
Atlanta’s QB got old and Hurts has been banged up all year.
One guy in pain, 3 guys defending an inept franchise. Ive been a Bears fan for 58 years. I feel the pain...
I was on the field at Wrigley in 1965 at the age of twelve, my father was a fireman across the street at engine 78. I was on the field when the Bears lost the last game, had they won they would have been in the championship game. I have seen one world championship since, Thank you 85 bears
@@salaparo2975 Dude, how are you still a fan after that many decades of relentless failure??
If I grew up during your time and witnessed countless decades of ineptitude, I would’ve bailed by the end of 2013..
@Elijah-NUMetal-IsMyWife-Boyd It's called loyalty,something the McCaskey family knows nothing about.
Agree 💯 sadness and pain all there is for another 4-8 years for us Bears fans
same
What Dan needs to say is the following: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
That is EXACTLY his sentiment!
@@dean2984 He needs to say it!
Dan needs to follow Nick Saban’s lead and retire. Nobody would miss him
@@wupapi39 Actually many would, because he’s the only one whose not nose deep up the team’s asscrack!
That's the most cliche quote on earth
I swear this team can make a grown man cry.
Two of Eberflus’s assistants (one being the DC) were fired midseason for misconduct in the office. His OC was fired for being terrible at play calling. Why should we be ok with him being given an opportunity to hire a new staff? Why should we be ok with this? I’m with Bernstein on this one.
Because he being defense focused ran a defense that was top 5 by the end of the season. Guess that counts for nothing.
@@gilbertlloyd8691 that would be a great argument if he were the defensive coordinator. Sadly, he’s the head coach and his responsibilities extend beyond just “how good was the defense?”
they played bad team with terrible qbs or back up qbs got blasted by any team with a pulse@@gilbertlloyd8691
@@gilbertlloyd8691the packers still destroyed them at the end. Defense looked like garbage
@ofthemetro79 that's 1 game. We don't deny Peyton manning greatness for never taking down Brady in the playoffs do we?
The Bears are really good at justifying losing.
Ever since 86!
And they convince certain idiot fans and media members.
DeMeco Ryans did the one thing the coaching here didn’t do: they took the gloves off Stroud immediately and let the chips fell where they did. Getsy clearly was still limiting Fields. 38 games is big enough sample size for Getsy to be like “this is what works, this is what doesn’t” but instead he wanted to bubble screen defenses to death
I'm with Dan 100% , the Bears are always wrong in the way they go about things , Flus should have been gone with Getsy and everyone else !
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Great plan. Keep changing every two years because the next crew is guaranteed to be the answer
@JH-ht9nt or keep drafting a QB in the 1st round, then fire the coaches, and then make the new coach work around the QB you just drafted and hope it works out. It's the timing that is an issue and keeps the Bears in mediocrity, IMO. This year, Vrabel, Belichek, Ben Johnson, Bienemy, Reich, and others are all available. Many eould challenge LaFleur. Eberflus will not.
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@@JH-ht9ntwell how long should a shitty coach get? Just out of curiosity, do you think trestman should have gotten more than two years? He had more wins then eberflus currently has, and is maybe the only bears coach I've seen with a functional modern offense (2013). Here's my question to anyone who honestly believes eberflus deserves to come back: Do you truly believe that eberflus can lead the bears to a Superbowl win? If the answer is anything but a confident yes, get rid of him. The bears have been so mediocre for so long that I think alot of fans are just conditioned to it. I can't predict the future and would love to be wrong, but keeping eberflus imo will ruin this rebuild, and the bears will have to start all over again in a few years but by then I'll probably find another hobby
I'm going to trust that Ryan Poles knows more than Dan Bernstein. Bernstein should tell Belichick, John Harbaugh, and Mike Tomlin they're not good enough because they aren't offensive minded coaches.
That sort of misses the point those guys were all able to hire great offensive coordinators at some point. Now Belichick might lose his job, Harbaugh went through a very lean stretch last few years before winning the division this year, and Tomlin hasn’t really hired a good offensive coordinator in a while. He had Matt Canada on his staff.
I want to trade for Tomlin!
@ryanfraley7113 I just believe the offensive minded vs defensive minded coaches is overblown. Good defensive coaches are successful because they understand offenses and good offensive coaches are successful because they understand how they'll be defended. Belichick went to Superbowls with 3 different OCs. Good coaches adapt systems to their players and win. I also would love Jim Harbaugh as HC because he's won everywhere he's been, but it doesn't mean Eberflus won't be good once the roster improves.
Sounds like AK and the Bulls with that continuity and cohesiveness BS!! Look at how far that has gotten them!! Fans want to see winning not continuity and cohesiveness!! I get the logic but wtf!! Its not working!!
ah ha ha ha ha when Bernstein is upset that means good things are happening
Dan is so right about this .Dan feels just like I feel
Bingo!! U are spot on!
The stars are aligned for the Bears right now, if they would just reach up and grab them, i.e. (make the right moves that are right there for them to make), but they're just too stupid or blind to realize that things are aligned for them, and they are passing on these opportunities, and they won't come back around like this again for God knows how long. Sad.
@@UR_Right24 The McCrapskeys in a nutshell..
They're trusting the same guy who hired two assistants who got fired for misconduct
This franchise insultingly repeats the definition of insanity on an agonizing loop.
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Poles/Eberflus are rookies learning this trade. They learned to avoid recommendations provided by enemy teams such as Matt LaFluer telling them Getsy is a good choice! 🥺
@@Michael-CharlesAust-ee5oo okay…
After listening to today’s Press Conferences especially Kevin Warren.
I’ve never agreed more strongly with Dan Bernstein and that rarely happens! Meet the new boss same as the old boss. This organization is a lost cause under the McCaskey family
I’d highly advise taking a LONG hiatus from this shitshow. I know I am when Poles is inevitably fired.
I’m with Dan in the beginning - 100
Bears have been one of the worst organizations in the NFL for the past 35 plus years. This is another example. The next generation are not becoming bears fans. Most fans are 40 and older and fading
🤣🤣 not even true. You don't pay attention to other teams I see.
I'm 76 , 60 years a fan and I've finally had enough of the McCaskeys always screwing things up !
This is true, and not talked about enough. My family are huge Bears fans, but the youngest among them are me and peer cousins (early 30s and older). The younger family either don't care, or they root for more talented teams and players. Same with my co-workers and their kids. My teenage daughter doesn't even follow football really, but when I'm watching redzone she likes Josh Allen and Diggs. The Bears need to win over the youth, or they're going to be like the White Sox in 15-20 years. A lot of people don't understand the significance of the 85 Bears, nor do they care.
@@skipjohnson7255I’m only 23 and been a fan since day 1. I’ve watched this happen for 20 or so years and it’s unbearable at this point. I can’t even begin to imagine a world in which the Bears come anywhere close to the franchise they once were.
I can’t fathom how awful it’s been for you putting up with this for even longer. Kudos to you, and loyal fans within this fanbase deserve so much better than what we get every year!
@@gilbertlloyd8691Bears are 15-50 against their biggest 'rivals" since 1992 and 8 of those were during the Lovey Smith era. The Bears haven't had an All-Pro QB since the early 50s. The only thing they have to fallback on is a Super Bowl 40 yrs ago. They have been an organization with constant turnover and instability.
What a fantastic transition. Great conversation guys.
most of the radio guys are against what went down at Halas both on radio or over social media. They feel they are the only ones who know how to do it the correct way.
Yes they are genius professionals Gms and professional coaches but they only do radio work but they should be hired
What is all the talk about the team is trending better? Did I miss a win against the Packers or even a game they were competitive in?
Of course there was! Have you already forgotten the magic of; IMAGINATION…
8 points is competitive
This guy at 16:01 is 10000000000% right. How can you not commit everything possible to putting the new QB in a position to succeed
Bears gonna be bears. We always mess up the coaching jobs.
And the QB job .
I agree with Dan. We saw this with Nagy/Pace. This is from the same playbook! This is the Collaboration 2.0 era again. Smh half ass way of building a winning team. The presser was identical to Nagy and Pace selling us the culture bs. Yet we're here talking about the same topic points that were made from the previous regime.
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I guess we’re STILL trying to “Figure out the whys”…
Poor Dan. I think the Bears are driving him straight into Shady Acres with Ray Finkle.
Grown men having emotional meltdowns over a sport is hard to watch.
Dan is absolutely correct. If Poles needs to be more involved with the hiring process of the offensive staff, then why is Eberflus still here? It just sounds like complacency to me, and ultimately, mediocrity. It's just another half-measure in a long line of them in Chicago Bears history. How the others justify it is beyond me. We've been here before. No offensive coordinator has survived for more than 2 years in Chicago in the past 2 decades. No quarterback has succeeded enough in that time frame. With this coach, what is the difference now?
Dan is absolutely right. This is the same halfassed wishy washy Bears way nonsense, and the same results will continue. The Bears will continue to flounder because they refuse to join the big boy club, and would rather stay at the kiddie table.
If only CM Punk was our team president…
I have never looked at the Bears sideline at halftime of a losing effort and thought - Don't worry, Eberflus will make the necessary adjustments to get a win. He isn't a head coach period.
I'm feeling every feeling that dan is feeling right now lol. I am sick of this infatuation with mediocrity that the Chicago Bears seem to have. They don't have the stones to make the big move and it's pathetic. You literally have Jim Harbaugh and Mike Vrabel available and you don't even reach out to those guys? I mean, the bears are an abomination of a franchise and frankly don't deserve to win a damn thing. I'm pissed just like Dan and I'm tired.
Yep, our fanbase is plagued with delusional masochists that will tear you apart for having the nerve to expect greatness…
Ownership is only concerned about money. Boycott the Bears.✊
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@@fidanasimpson5465my son JUST started loving football. And the Bears are who they are. He asked for a Jaylen Hurts jersey for Christmas. And it pisses me off so much that I cancelled DirecTV and didn't order the NFL Sunday Ticket because why? The Bears don't care about winning so why do I want to give them my money? I'll go to a game in KC before I take the trip to Chicago to watch this abomination. I'm just one guy. It doesn't matter. But keep doing what they're doing and the Bears will be a poverty franchise like Cleveland or Detroit (before Campbell) or any other irrelevant team.
Bears will fix the coordinator positions. Fields almost got ruined by the coaching blunders that almost ruined the team. The real question is this: Did the duo learn their lesson that the best strategy is to design plays based on Justin Fields skillset?
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Either way, I love listening to this group
Bear appear to be making the same mistakes over and over again. FLus is a good defensive coach but he's not a head coach. Many upgrades available to have let Flus go as well.
“Generational talent” yet still worried about not the best offensive minded HC being there for him. Thought this player is transcendent and would overcome something like that. Bears put QBs in bad spots, so if they rock with Justin and put him in the ideal spot with an O line and weapons that would be wrong to do apparently 🤔.
I guess when you endorse mediocrity for so long, it consumes you whole and you become defensive towards anyone who dares to point out, the obvious red flags..
I get it. The Bears have have put themselves in position to be better many times. They just can't ever get out of their own way long enough to get it right. Draft picks, free agents and coaching changes have come and gone.
This is awesome. It's sounds like we all want the same thing. Success and the bar raised.
Danny is f'n spot on! We haven't had a solid coach since Ditka, SMH
No love for Lovie?
Ditka was horrible
I can't believe we are scared about taking risks. They've actually dumbed us down to just be ok. You have the top pick with a QB prospect that we might not see in 5 years. Act accordingly and just go
Good content 670 The score!!! Enjoyed this debate keep it coming!!!
He's right, the Bears doing the same old same old and it's going to result in the same old same old results.
How can anyone say that the Bears were an improved team ? Here are four of the teams they beat this year, Carolina, Arizona, Washington , Atlanta. Those are four of the most horrible teams in all of football. Beating them is not a great feat . After that they had three other wins , same as last year ! They also had the softest schedule in the conference. Remember really good QBs excel in the fourth quarter, and that's where we were lacking !
The Bears have 7 wins, not 4. They beat Vikes, Raiders and Detroit. They should have beat Detroit and the Browns as well. Also Detroit has only beaten one winning team except for KC week 1 without Kelce. I believe Detroit's schedule was much softer than the Bears.
@@FromLasVegasUshoulda woulda coulda but they didn’t at the end of the day. They beat teams at the bottom of the barrel when there was talk of them being a possible playoff team this year. Thats celebrating mediocrity which bears fans have been doing since 85. Every year its “well they gotta get chemistry together, the oline, etc” same old tired lines.
@@FromLasVegasU I mentioned 4 teams they beat with worse records, I know they had 7 wins , also 2 of them were with Tyson Bagent , so Bagent has a better winning percentage. Just sayin !
Dan Bernstein on Matt Nagy, "See?! This is what a modern NFL offense looks like!"
It was true for about 8 weeks, then the NFL adjusted and Nagy never could, or didn't have the QB he needed to do it.
The easy thing is to draft a new QB Dan... the risk and being bold as you are asking them to be is to go against that, to once again trade down and get a haul and use those pieces to build up this team, much like Poles preaches on doing. Building a team to take the North. He is way more disciplined then the toddlers on the air waves who want instant gratification.
This was amazing, I love a good heated Chicago sports debate.
Love this type of conversation guys!
WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK BRINGING IN A NEW QUARTERBACK WILL FIX THIS SORRY OFFENSIVE LINE YOU GOTTA BE CRAZY IF YOU CANT SEE THEY ARE ABOUT TO TRADE THE FIRST PICK GRAB MHJ AND PICK UP A LT OR PASS RUSHER
I hardly tune in to the Score these days. However, I was so infuriated by the Bears' choice to stick with Eberflus without even acknowledging other candidates that I craved some rants on the Score. Even though I can't stand Berstein, he nailed it on this topic!
Analysts are going overboard on first years staffs and QBs without addressing that in many cases, it blows up in a team's face. Nagy is a perfect example. He comes in, league doesn't have any tape or any indication of what the team is going to do, so the team has success. Then after weaknesses are revealed and adjustments are made, the team regresses and the inexperience of the coaches gets exposed.
So why is everyone so convinced that Stroud and the Texans aren't a product of this trend?
You could be right, but their offense looks leagues above Nagy’s 2018 offense.
How do you figure? 2018 Bears were ranked significantly higher both offensively and defensively than the Texans and only lost 4 games. Stroud as a QB was better than Trubisky that season, but overall, the Bears were the better team.
Nagy and the 2018 Bears is just one example though. It occurs quite a bit. I only looked at 6 teams histories over the past decade and came up with 4 examples, so it's fairly common. Nagy and the Bears, Caldwell in Detroit. Gase in Miami. Bowles and the Jets (I just don't want to spend a bunch of time looking through every team.)
Point is, take all this hype around Stroud and the Texans with a grain of salt. They could be great, but they could regress too. One season just isn't enough of a sample size to be so confident in what they are. And it's not proven that Texan hit big with Stroud yet.
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@@DubberzzI agree with the uncertainty of the Texans, but trust me, I remember when that 2018 team played actual defenses; it was usually ugly.
I'm a Texans fan and they have a lot of good players on that team and are only going to get better!!!
They don’t. But they also ignore that CJ Stroud is so successful is because he has a coach that plays to his strengths.
I think most fans feel the way dan feels on this. We want them to do something different. They’re either trying to find the next it boy in an offensive guy who doesn’t call the plays like nagy or who was one of aaron rodgers’ guru in getsy. Or they’re picking the milk toast guy in eberflus, fox, trestman and so on. Then they finally fire them but only after they’ve drafted a new qb and get a new group of guys to deal with the previous people’s garbage. Rinse and repeat over and over. So to laurence, it isn’t that this way is wrong. It’s that we’ve definitely seen this song before and actually want something different. They even mention slowik in houston but completely fail to mention the entire staff was new with demeco ryans. THAT is what we want. Bring in a new HC, who will bring in a whole new staff and you end up with what the texans got this year. Shocking how that works
I’m done with the bears just done we always mess it up 🤦🏾♂️ IM DONE WITH THEM
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See you all next year
One thing I cant agree with is the whole "The Defense will be a top 5 Defense no matter who is coaching" arguement. Have we really forgotten what the vic fangio > sean desai transition was like already... coahing matters on both sides of the ball.
Bernstein ranting on the ledge!😂 Holmes the voice of reason
All 4 on one show is pretty good
Love the banter and passion from this home grown station..
18:35 Dan B is just frustrated cause he wants them to win. However he wants the team to win. I just don't agree completely with this blowup. Expect this off season to be offense heavy with a couple big swings at edge rush. I don't think this is same cause I think Poles is a pretty smart GM.
Politics over performance is the Chicago bears legacy!
Bernstein's right
Not
@@georgeknell8252Leave this conversation to the adults who can be realistic; thank you.
*Matt Eberflus staying is the equivalent of George Halas keeping Buddy Ryan as the Bears DC while hiring Mike Ditka as the Head Coach and to manage the offense. Eberflus stays as Head Coach while managing the defense keeping it top 5-10 while the new OC begins directing the offense into a standout unit. Either way, Justin Fields learning a new offense will only bring back his "One Read" tendency into vogue again and the excuse of him learning a new offense will take center stage and becomes the built in excuse and reason why he hasn't grown in year 4 while the Bears have to make real financial decision commitment on him is unacceptable. Missing out on a better QB than Fields for more excuses is not an ideal situation. Justin Fields Needs To Go For His Own Sake.*
The "one read" narrative died on its face weeks ago when Mass Media talking heads asked him to explain how a throwing play happened and what he was thinking during it. Fields said he looked here and then looked over there and then did this over here.
It seems Packers fans are blowing up Chicagoland social media trying to hurt this team. After that a report came out claiming seven General Managers said they would trade Fields if he was THEIR QB1!
Raiders Brian Hoyer
Washington Sam Howell
Vikings Joshua Dobbs
Atlanta Taylor Heinicke
Arizona Kyler Murray
Panthers Bryce Young
Lions Jared Goff
The defense got better look at the the suckie quarterbacks we beat....
Starts at the top and that part will never change.
Exactly right
Couldn’t agree more. The fact that they didn’t even reach out to Harbaugh is insulting as a die hard.
That's what's wrong with the nfl. Every assistant coach wants to be a head coach but doesn't know how to develop players or is not there long enough to know how
The Bears need to start with a foundation. No players, that where it starts. How many veterans do they have? They are starting the right way.
So if they risk it by drafting a qb and he fails, we shouldn't hear any complaints.
The Bears never will get it right with the McCaskeys as owners !!
*Mccrapskeys
Especially with Jim Harbaugh and Vrabel on the market.. they keep Eberflus?
I dont know the Guy thats saying the Bears had the opportunity to go Big is absolutely correct, its the same ol story, the Bears had the opportunity to get rid of Getsy after week 3 but wasnt bold enough to make a move. Then come season end we get the same ol script about direction and philosophy when we've seen the lack of both.
What top OC would take a job with this situation? You have one year to make the playoffs, or you are out with the head coach.
One that doesn’t call plays currently or one that if he unlocks Fields or does well with a draft pick would instantly become a HC somewhere while not getting consideration now.
Or he is good and leaves for a head coaching job!!!
Jordan Peele does radio too! 😂
Actually on Bernsteins side on this one...lol
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Lawrence is making a lot of sense. Here’s what I would’ve added if I was Lawrence. If you’re keeping JF (which this move increases the likelihood of happening) then going and getting a Greg Roman (who would take the job) makes sense. He’s worked and taken these QB’s to the playoffs and had success (Tyrod Taylor, Colin Kaepernick and Lamar Jackson who won unanimous MVP in 2019). He understands Justin Fields and therefore the learning curve will be less
No he’s not, most of those candidates would be awful! Kliff Kingsbury is inconsistent and a choke artist, Frank Reich hasn’t been good since 2019, Eric Bienemy was exposed as a fraud this year when he failed to show anything substantial with an underrated Washington offense, Tampa didn’t hesitate to can Byron Leftwitch, and if Greg Roman was as great as his resume would convince others to believe; why isn’t he still coordinating for the best team in the NFL, right now?
@@Elijah-NUMetal-IsMyWife-Boyd you just showed your ignorance. Eric B has taken a mediocre QB in Sam Howell and made him look like a respectable QB. Oh with the SAME personnel from their Super Bowl year last year how is Kansas City’s offense looking this year? As far as your Greg Roman question I’m willing to bet you that if he was your OC this year instead of Luke Getzy the Bears is a playoff team THIS SEASON. Notice that every season when LJ was healthy for the entire season he helped lead them to the playoffs with limited weapons. He’s the right OC for a person like JF.
@@jermainebrown3242I’m showing my ignorance when San Howell actually got benched towards the end of the year, alongside their offensive ineptitude displayed throughout the majority of the season, and when Baltimore is the BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE the season after they replaced Roman??
“Cocaine’s a hell of a drug”
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But why keep Justin Fields when you got a number one pick for a new QB? When are we going to have that chance again?
Firing Luke Getsy is a start! Go Bears
WHY wouldn't you want multiple people involved to hire the BEST OC?!
How does Spiegel get away with pointing out that the Texans changed their QB and OC without mentioning that they ALSO changed the head coach?
Listening to you guys we need 4 gms 4 head coaches and 4 qbs chill out people.
The ownership is the Achilles heal of this franchise. Always has been and always will be under this family. Despite the fact this family grew up in the game they are woefully ignorant about the game. Make no mistake they meddle in the day to day operation of the franchise. Mom&Pop organizations only care about the tv money.
They can always just kick the can down the road and try it all one more time. Keep Fields, trade down and get another first for next year. Pick up the Wideout and D lineman with the first two picks. That gives the team another shot at getting it right with the new talent. If it's still not right, you'll have two firsts next year.
EXACTLY! EVERY ONE IS SO IMPATIENT! SHADEUR SANDERS COULD BE AVAILABLE IF JUSTIN DOES NOT WORK OUT. I BELIEVE HIS NUMBER WOULD BE ABOUT $25M TO TRY TO TRADE. ANY TEAM WHO THINKS THEY CAN “FIX H1M” WOULD BE CLIMBING OVER EACH OTHER FOR SUCH A CHEAP PRICE IN THE QB MARKET!!
Great debate!!!!!🐻⬇
@Danny Parkins The 2 Qbs coming in Browning on Cincy and Love Green Bay Show what Bears issue has been and why Fields here and not Gone Browning came to Cincy in 2021 so was in system for 2 1/2 yrs had time to learn it and it was already successful and Love has been Rogers back up for like 4 or 5 yrs also able to study and be in a successful system Bears hopefully get successful OC on place and Move forward tbh could be a few pieces from having playoff team again
Never thought I would say this, but I agree with Bernstein
Bernstein is Spot On ….. Bears Never Bold.
History in the NFL with World Champions is Bold ! Start reviewing
Rams leave St. Louis trade for Stafford
Cowboys hire Jimmy Johnson
Draft Aikman / Irving / Emmitt with a ton
Of Draft capital cuz of the Herschel Walker trade.
The bears had a chance to change HC & QB1 to be great for a decade. They settled thinking abt next year & the year after.
Love this segment
Great debate! Incredible passion! Sadly, debates don't win championships! I hear a lot of "stating the issue," and that too, does not win anything. It's like getting a flat tire, and you spend time talking about, "I must have run over a nail,"or "I did not see that pothole," when what you should be doing is just fixing the flat!! Discuss solutions, it's much more productive. If you think your patience has run out, I've been a Bears fan since 1959! Go Bears!
Dan crazy. Poles first Bears GM to put Bears in position to draft number back to back.
Holmes' stance in this debate annoys me so much. Having zero conviction in anyway while being there to basically say "there are many possibilities" and being so bland is just exhausting. At least Dan, Danny and Spiegs have an actual stance.
As a packers fan its very entertaining watching the bears franchise in flame 😂
The Bears handled the issues this season appropriately, not easy. Made a great trade for Sweat then improved. They made a great decision today. 21 people who did their jobs well stayed, 5 who did their job poorly were let go. No need to completely overhaul. Now, add talent 10-12 pieces to the O and the final 2-3 pieces to the D. Fields is H1M.
I’m not sure Eberflus did his job well. The team was not prepared to start the season, both of his chosen coordinators are gone (one by HR??), three games where double digit leads were blown in the 4th quarter and one win against a team with a winning record. Not impressed.
@@Trumpetjoe40 And you’ll continue not to be, if his track record with slow starts in Indianapolis continues to haunt him; and yes I’m aware that he wasn’t the head coach in Indianapolis, but he was integrated into that complacent culture for at least a few seasons.
So, I certainly won’t hold my breath nor faith in Eberflus, because more often than not, the apple doesn’t fall too far from the tree.
The new age “Golden Girls” for Chicago sports!!!
That's what transition used to be.
Bernstein the only one making sense lol
Wow Iam never lock step with Bernsie but wow I totally agree with him here
The Bears schedule is very weak next year; not many teams on there with winning records. Those are the types of teams the Bears beat this year. They beat only one team with a winning record this year. The majority of those wins were against back-up qb’s. A monkey at HC could win 10-12 games next year. Flus will do so next year and will get an extension regardless of who is at qb. And, if Fields is still here, he will get an extension for this perceived improvement (measured by team wins). The following year when they have a tougher schedule, they will sink back to where they are now or worse and mediocrity will continue for several years to come. They will be a rudderless team without a quarterback 3 years from now. Since the '86 Super Bowl team, we have never had a HC or quarterback leave the Bears and become extremely successful somewhere else. That is because they settle for mediocre all the time and have done it once again!
Wrong! Their genius move was signing Tyson Bagent after the draft closed. It eliminated the need to focus on a QB1 emergency. Last pick in the 2023 draft was Mr Irrelevant from Queen Creek Arizona. Poles/Flus team are learning to do business in direct opposition to the herd.
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Dan is the only one who sees the emperor has no clothes. Laurence, Matt, and. Danny P. are firmly ensconced in the reality distortion field spun up by Bears brass year after year where mediocrity in the organization is rewarded as long as you’re a nice guy. The emphasis is always on improvement but never enough to where you actually win. Just look at the record for the last 30 years.
Not often we get this great debate on the show ( imo). I don't often agree with Bernstein, usually like what Holmes brings. Today though- Bernstein is right and Holmes is emblematic of what the Bears approach always seems to be, and the Bears results aren't good. Holmes makes valid points , but Bernstein is right here:
take a crap or get off the pot. Bears have never aligned the offensive side of the ball from HC, OC to QB at the same time and level. There is so much going there in Chicago scenario. To me its hard to imagine trading away yet another top overall pick and potentially skipping out on 2-3 potential even probable all pros.
To wit , Bears have passed on Mahomes, Stroud and seem likely to pass on the next one, whether it be Williams, Maye ,Daniels or other. Its mind boggling. Yet they should at least keep trying for QB, if they don't want to try might as well stay home. To not take a QB 1 overall is to say they have THE answer. When have the Bears EVER had THE answer LOL
Score head here - that was entertaining, Great points made by all of ‘em
I want a HC and a team full of players that would be punching lockers and breaking vending machines because the team lost. I guess those went the way of the dinosaurs.
The bears really think they're the "charter" franchise coz of success in the past. In recent times they're one of the least winning teams in nfl. Bears seriously need a wake up call