Bernstein & Holmes torch Jerry Reinsdorf for blaming White Sox fans
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- Опубликовано: 21 фев 2024
- After White Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf recently asked the state for around $1 billion in public financing to build a new ballpark in the South Loop, Dan Bernstein and Laurence Holmes ranted about Reinsdorf's claim that the club can't be profitable at Guaranteed Rate Field. Reinsdorf also cited fan attendance as being a problem even after the 2005 World Series championship run.
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As a Cubs fan, I feel for White Sox fans. Some of the most die-hard and knowledgeable fans you'll meet. They don't deserve Reinsdorf and Chicago in general with the Bulls.
100% it’s insane
I am a fellow Cubs fan myself and I completely agree with you on this, Sox fans do not deserve this from their team's owner.
Bro I know exactly how Sox fans feel being a Bulls fan. He runs the Bulls the same way. He's a terrible owner.
@@alcostello6114 hahahahahaha the same tired ass joke. The ONLY reason there are so many Cubs fans is because a giant media corporation owned the team and pumped those games out on tv and in their newspaper, selling losing for decades. They lucked out on the neighborhood turning into what it is because of all the people that fled the South Side. Let's not pretend the Cubs are some top notch winning org with banners galore.
Well said.
As a Sox fan since 1959, I am just speechless. This JO got one new stadium courtesy of taxpayers, and now wants another. Where is the return on investment from the first stadium? A few lousy playoff appearances (which mainly were one-and-dones), one World Series title. That's it. He screwed up the current stadium from the beginning, aiming it in the wrong direction. He is the ONLY owner who's never had a $100 million ballplayer. Go ahead; take your cheap ass to Nashville.
Did old comiskey have a skyline view??
@@nochey78Who cares, I rather have a successful team than a stadium with a view
@@thestrangeman069 well that was my point basically…. Having a ballpark with a skyline view doesn’t mean much at all compared to having a successful team..
It’s a rather trivial complaint about the current park..
Reinsdorf is so outta touch Hall and Oates can't find him
Jerry is one of the worse owners in sports. This why Bulls and Sox will never win again as long as he's still around. This coming from a cubs fan who's not a fan of the Ricketts either.
Sox fans been knowing this for decades now. It’s nothing new. Sox aren’t going to be relevant until Jerry kicks the can
@@alcostello6114 Cubs have been mediocre as well, maybe not as bad as the Sox but mediocre.
@@alcostello6114 Jerry Reinsdorf wasn’t chairman of the Sox in the late 70’s..
And the Bears fans have McCaskey. 3 5ths of this city's reams are in terrible hands.
Jerry's been doing his best to try and move up my worst Chicago owners list. Which is tough given how strong the list is here (sad for Chicago lol). The Bears had a decades long lock on first until the Blackhawks dethroned them with their SA scandal. This new round of stadium handouts could determine whose in second for now. I finally turned on Jerry with the LaRussa hiring for all the reasons given here. He's been way too loyal to his management which produced mediocre results while still overriding them when it suits him. He's always ran everything like a mom and pop shop instead of the billion dollar franchises they are. Yet its still the fan's faults for not supporting the team enough. Yeah, sure Jerry.
Having listened to Laurence for years, this is the most genuine and passionate I’ve ever heard him. He’s absolutely correct with all his points.
I certainly hope he follows up on leaving their fandom .
He has. He stopped going to games except for a few innings one time to eat some good food.
Diehard for 35 years. 2023 didn't watch a single game. It hurts honestly
Coming from a life-long Sox fan....I'm with you. We did not miss a thing. And after all that....They kept the manager who is the "Biggest P**SY"on this plant. Another 100 plus loses again !
i honestly don't know what rock bottom is for the Sox at this point
i thought 2022 with La Russa literally falling asleep in the dugout was rock bottom...then 2023 happened. 2024 could possibly be even worse
@@skippythealien9627I think it’s safe to say that “rock bottom” is right now…
Thank you to Dan for bringing up 94. If Jerry ever talks about caring about winning over everything, that is proof he’s lying
Dan is one of the goats
Not a owner in sports that cares less about its fan base than JR. Only 2 teams never gave a 100 mil contract and hes 1. He lucked out with MJ and would be a failure without him
Lucked the hell out didn't he. Especially considering Bulls didn't even have #1 pick. He should be ashamed of his professional track record.
I’m gonna take a wild guess on the Oakland A’s never giving a 100 mil contract ?
Lucked out with the 95 sox too. Cheap
Giys over performed is all
This is coming from a lifelong fan who began attending games with my dad in the early 60’s. Stop threatening to move the team and just do it. At this point, we’re still living off of 2005 (Bears fans still living off of 1985, sorry to say). It’s not the fans who have caused a 19 year rebuild project that never ends. Jerry, take them with you to Nashville, Salt Lake City, or even Rapid City, if you wish. I’m sorry to say, nobody will notice!
I disagree. Its been a 43 year rebuild, not 19 years.
Sometimes I believe that Ricketts is an awful owner, then I look over at the Sox and I change my mind instantly
The Cubs have made the playoffs 5x in the 15 years of Ricketts ownership compared to the 7x in 43 years for the Sox under Reinsdorf. I’LL TAKE THE RICKETTS.
Btw, I’m a Sox fan
I love the way the cubs did it. They did it the right way. I will never be a cub fan but I can appreciate how they did it.
Yup!
Why would any cubs fan believe that the Ricketts are bad owners???
Seriously… I’d like to know.
@@nochey78from my understanding some cubs fans don’t like their personal politics so they hold the cubs to a ridiculously high standard so that they can then complain
This is why Dan and Laurence are so good. They don't take bullshit.
Done with this team until Reinsdorf is gone. Fan since 1982 so I've been through many disappointing seasons. This is the most discouraged I've been about this franchise. I am spent. I just can't defend them anymore.
I’M WITH YOU THERE. Been a diehard fan since I was 8 y/o in ‘97. Jerry basically has sent the entire fanbase packing. ✌️ I’m a Brewers fan for now
Just boycott them until Jerry is gone. You're not missing anything.
This is why I watch the Cubs now
Yeah jerry Reinsdork is an absolute disgrace to the city of Chicago. 😢
F Jerry. Fan for over 40years, Same ol crap over and over. Holmes…you nailed it.
Hes why i dont watch or care about the Bulls anymore. One of the worst owners in sports.
So in 40 years… you saw 7 championships!!! That’s pretty good
@briannash3836 what???
You have to wonder why Jerry Reinsdorf has degenerated into such a cheapskate (and I'm not a Chicagoan).
Stop watching them and burn your gear. Owners like this will continue to do this until chicago fans stand up. Stop going to the games.
We have stopped. That’s why attendance is so bad.
Same with the bears
I have stopped.
They're already not. You get the right camera angle, you'd think you're watching archived footage from during the pandemic.
Preach Laurence Holmes… preach!! 🙌🏽🙏🏽
It was great to bring up the lockout because he had a World Series level team and decided winning wasn’t worth it.
Not my tax money! AGAIN!!!!!
If these billionaires promise revenue projections and they come up short they should have to cover the difference.
I am not willing to contribute one single dollar to make Jerry's wish come true. I never thought I would say this but at this point I would be okay with him selling the team and moving it elsewhere. Perhaps this way we would get a team that has an owner who actually wants to put on a winning team on the field. Jerry has proven that winning is not something that he cares about.
SELL THE TEAM.
Jerry needs to go away forever. I’ve been a fan since the Wilbur Wood, Jorge Orta, Bill Melton and Bucky Dent days. He was not in charge back then, but since he took control, I can only think of 2 top free agents that the Sox signed while they were still in their prime:
1. Carlton Fisk
2. Albert Belle
There have been trades for some top players, like Freddie Garcia and Jim Thome, but too many times we ended up with Tom Seaver, Ken Griffey Jr, and both Alomar brothers st the very end of their careers.
I’m done with the Sox. I will go watch Bobby Jenks manage the minor league team in Crestwood this summer.
Great logic by Mizer-dorf. Blame the customer base for not supporting a mediocre product. Hell, mine as well blame the fans for not resigning Phil Jackson during the Bulls Dynasty too.
Lawrence nailed it all. I feel exactly like he does. I gave up on this team the day Jerry hired TLR.
Hey Jerry if you want a $1billion for your dream stadium for the franchise you actually care about, SELL THE BULLS! As a diehard bulls fan just fucking sell the bulls. You sell them and you can buy 4 stadiums. The bulls are the 2nd most valuable sports franchise in the city, 4th most in the NBA, and you own them. They are worth $4-$4.5 billion. Some billionaire would LOVE to buy the bulls and they would do it immediately.
As a chicago resident, this city need more than a new stadium! I don't want ONE tax dollar going to a private business. Move the team! Don't care!
Ok Jerry if you feel that way than go to Nashville .
As a Cubs fan, my Sox friends are staying away as long as hes an owner. Am i wrong Sox fans?
As a long time White Sox fan I refuse to pony up any of my hard earned money to watch a triple A team. What is the old saying...fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.
Reinsdorf is a despicable, condescending, cheap weasel. He always has been and he always will be. He is a terrible leader.
He has zero pride, and could not care less about winning. He should be FORCED to sell the teams...both of them.
The Bulls and White Sox are doomed until that happens. I'm a Cubs fan but I genuinely feel sorry for White Sox fans. He doesn't care about them at all.
As a 42 year old Sox fan, let the scumbag leave for Nashville.But he should leave the team name, logos, and colors behind just like when Art Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore.
Well said...as a life long Sox Fan I am both dismayed & digusted by Reinsdorf's arrogance,greed & complete disregard for Fans & Chicago taxpayers...leave town if he wants...
Made a decision to stop going last what until they hit 500. Never went. Now I won’t go until Jerry is gone. Life long Sox fan and I’m totally fine just going to Cubs games while I wait for him to leave
I have been a Sox fan since the 1950's . I am done with this team. 2023 season was the last straw. This demand for a new stadium just confirms my decision
What has always sucked for White Sox fans is that since day one, the franchise has always been mired in cheap ownership. It’s the fans that have to suffer for an inferior product. The fans deserve better.
I’m a WhiteSox fan, and I admit a second ballpark as cool as Wrigley field would be cool, but if Jerry Reinsdorf wants to hostage the city in order to build it, don’t let the door hit you on your way out. Jerry Reinsdorf has been one of the worst owners in all of sports, and a fish rot from the head down, the whole Whitesox vibe will not change until there is new ownership like the Chicago Cubs or the Blackhawks maybe not with a new ownership, but simply with the figure head dying and his son taking over and a voice more amiable to the fans and the city.
I have had it with Reinsdorf, I am staying home this year and doing yard work! No more hope with this bunch!
Chance the Rapper just sold out a $100 a ticket event 4 blocks from the park at the new $38 million Ramova Theatre renovation. People came for a good show, not just any old crap that Jerry offers us in the same neighborhood. I have $1M and up properties surrounding my little cottage 4 blocks from the park. WTF is wrong with 35th St?!
I love the Sox but I agree no funding for his stadium. If it’s such a good idea pay for it yourself. Better yet put a competitive team out there then the fans will come.
Looked at the numbers…White Sox are top 3-5 in AL attendance every year that they make the playoffs. Which has only been 4 times since 05.
They haven't won anything since '05. That's why attendance is low
They ranked 17th in the league in 05 for attendance. It never was really there
I have been a Sox fan since the days of Nellie Fox and Luis Aparicio. At one time we had a beloved owner(Bill Veeck)who had to be sickened to turn over the keys to this guy. To see this proud original franchise of the American League reduced to this level and to treat the fans this way is heartbreaking. I too am a long suffering Sox fan. A few years back he made the remark that the Sox "play in a small marketplace." Go ahead and move to Nashville or Fargo or to that small place that is called your mind. You reside where greed lives. The politicians in Springfield need to give him a thumbs down on any funding for this project. Personally I'll give him the middle finger. He can now take his rightful place alongside Charles Comiskey as the worst owner in White Sox history.
Sell the team now!
If they leave 35th St, I will never be a fan again.
I normally disagree with Douche Bernstein on 99.99% of everything that comes out of his sanctimonious pie hole. But 100% agree here, cya Jerry, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
The whitesox 1 of 2 teams that has never given a contract of over 100 million to a player. The other the juggernaut … Oakland I’m sorry Las Vegas A’s. Jerry is the slum lord of mlb owners. Sell the team you a hole it’s a huge profit at this point
Boycott games till he gets serious with roster.
When your most expensive player is a very avg player at best, speaks volumes
Reinsdorf has done this to himself. He played games and let his team flounder. Chicago doesn't deserve the BS Reinsdorf has done with either of his teams. He's looking for a new stadium where if he is smart. He'll do exactly what the ricketts did. If he does. He doesn't need the money. He has a net worth of 2 billion. And it's an ugly stadium.
The guy is a jerk man. He played games with the Bulls during the dynasty and made Jerry Krause the fall guy. He should sell the teams and just go away.
Jerry says he don’t care if you come to games or not.. he makes millions before a ticket is even sold… sooo… there’s our answer.
I feel like a liar for all the times I told folks that the Sox were about to be the better team in Chicago a few years ago. Any Bulls fans knows too, Jerry is the worst owner in the city right now and he's ruining 2 teams. The man profited directly off of MJ and the success on the west side and said he'd would trade all 6 rings for the Sox to win.
That's exactly what has happened down in Oakland. And what was the result. The A's are leaving, ultimately for Las Vegas (and the people in THAT city don't want anything to do with the A's, at least to the best of MY knowledge).
Im on my moms tablet but Man this hit deep iv been a sox fan since a kid growing up i was to poor to ever join a little league team at any recreational park near us so i had to play other sports being mexican it was soccer i was really good at baseball doe nd the 05 run was the greatest child hood memory i had to watch it on a little battery anntena tv hand held so being a kid from the southside is something that connects me to the sox. Sadliy now its all up in the air jerry being greedy nd nvr actually puting a ball club where i know fans will show up day nd night
Wish u coulda played ball as a kid homie. Coach a little league team - get involved.
@@scattau41 that is my dream goal one day to reach kids who nvr sniff or even that just to grab a dam mit nd sniff the diamond
@@scattau41 not playing baseball is one regret I will carry to my grave I was so good I was the fastest kid in my region lol 😂
@@scattau41 my dream is to coach amen also for the unprivileged or privileged to play ball ...at the end it's baseball ain't no you in baseball....
I keep trying to tell people this is exactly what happens when you let billionaires do whatever they want. And all of the problems he whines about? He had a huge hand in creating them.
Bruh said "lemme get my white flight on"....some of yall don't understand. Keep speaking truth bro. 90 year old billionaire wants to put his hands in my pockets and yours to move to the south loop.
Christ alive Mr Holmes. I’ve never heard shotgun racks sound so elegant!
I will give Reinsdoof this: The fans STILL couldn’t sell the place out in 2005 through 2007, but the fans are smart….if you don’t field a winning product, we won’t show up. And that’s what happened and is STILL happening, even though the shift when the Sox were BETTER than the Cubs (back half of the Maddon era). But it’s the FANS’ fault…? Reinsdoof is higher than giraffe poon on the moon.
At least we still have a good broadcast team. Oh wait.....
How can anyone listen to Holmes for more than 3-4mns is beyond me
He's running the same playbook Bud Selig did as owner of the Brewers. He says he can't invest money in the team because the revenue isn't coming in, but what he should know is that if they made an effort to put a good quality team out there, people would show up. You invest money to make money.
Same BS Kenny Williams would give us.
He doesnt have a chance at getting a new publicly funded park.. theirs nothing wrong with the rate on the southside. Im a cubs fan and go to a couple games a year
Oh he'll get it because the blueprint for holding a city hostage for a new stadium or picking up and leaving is already out there
He wont.. if anything the bears are priority. The city and state are massively in debt as it is. The bears getting any funding is questionable at this point
Governor Pritzker is a Cubs fan and he will not spend taxpayer money on the White Sox. As a Sox fan, I hate Reinsdorf and tell him to "F***ing move to Nashville!!" I'm ready to become a Marlins fan and be reunited with my boy Tim Anderson #7. I'm shopping for my new ladies jersey #7 right now. @@draneym2003
The radio guys can pretend to be outraged but the location is absolutely keeping people away. Having said that I am not in favor of any public funding for a new stadium.
Why the Whitesox over the Bears? Can’t do both, shouldn’t spend public money on either. What did Pritzker say when the Cubs talked to him? He did say no. Laurence is right. Agree with all of this. This is outrageous.
The new owner might privately finance a new stadium at a different site. If Reinsdorf would just hurry up and kick the bucket, the new owner can step in and buy the team on the cheap and move them to downtown.
I've said it when it happened and I'll say it again if Dibartolo would have bought the team instead of this clown he would have had the White Sox competing most every year
Back when sports teams regularly received public funds for a stadium the wealth disparity was not so great. Now it is. Jerry needs to find private monies. This is not 20-30 years ago.
People who are ignorant of other people’s feelings don’t internalize anything let alone how other people feel.
Mr. Holmes you are spot on.
There is ZERO chance Reinsdorf moves the team if he doesn't get a new stadium, and for that reason the state/city should negotiate hard and not just give him everything he wants like Thompson (his law school buddy) did last time.
Baseball is not a popular sport anymore and Reinsdorf has a 130 year generational fanbase right where he is, in the nations third largest market, and moving to an area where no one cares about baseball would be insane. Think of how much of a disaster it would have been if he moved the team to Tampa 30 years ago, and now the sport is way less popular.
Revenue for owners in 2024+ is 100% about owning the area around the ballpark. City size doesn't matter, $ does.
Reinsdorf won't own the area around the ballpark, he won't even own the ballpark. Although a new ballpark closer to downtown will increase the franchise value which is what he's after. If the Bears build in Arlington Heights they will own the area around the stadium.@@MS-ht9it
I grew up in NC next door to TN. I can 100% vouch that Southerners don't care about baseball. They're crazy about college sports - football and basketball. Let Reinsdorf move to Nashville as I would love to see him lose millions each year. 😂😂 And Tennesseans sure as hell, will not pay their hard earned money to support a lousy baseball team that is nearly dead last in MLB.
There is a good reason that no southern states have a baseball team. Atlanta Braves are an exception because Atlanta is not the South (was before General Sherman burned it down). Everyone in Atlanta is from northeastern states.
@@llee8825 they're banking on the tourist traffic in Nashville. They'll have less empty seats for a crap product when a healthy % of folks are just there to experience another event during their bachelor party weekend or w/e. Us loyal fans are stubborn and willing to boycott the product, which led to ownership and sox brass to act spiteful. Great, lose more $ b_ttheads lol
This was cathartic. Thank you.
Jerry Riensdorf reminds me of Peter angelos former owner of the orioles did the same thing.. Was extremely cheap wouldn't sign nobody.. wouldn't keep good players and now the orioles have a good set of owners including Cal Ripken and look at the O's now 1st place AL east even better than my Blue Jays
Pull yourself up by your bootstraps Reinsdorf!
The free market should decide the fate of all stadiums.
Thank You !!!
Truth !!!
This is everything I’ve ever wanted to say pretty well succinctly put, props for that. Maybe Mark Cuban or somebody will come and save our Sox
At this point, I would rather have Tony Kahn own the White Sox, Bulls and even the Bears.
Bulls fans and white sox fans need to join up and do something about this clown. He is a terrible terrible owner. Had two of the most popular teams in sports can’t seem to get over his stubbornness. I’m so serious on this….something needs to happen. Force him to sell. That comment alone is why it’s going to continue to be extremely tough at signing championship players
Jerry you built Comiskey Park Jr stay there & live there FU Reinsdorf you pay for it!
He didn't build it. The taxpayers did.
Phenomenal segment.
Preach Laurence Holmes ...
that's absolutely disgusting... i guess he just can't get enough money
I’m done with this dude and his teams
The neighborhood is that bad now. Stray bullets don't enter any other MLB parks.
How come over on ESPN 1000 Kap and big Jay hood then say this
Especially big jay hoodie he is a big huge Sox fan
Maybe it's time for Chicago to have just one baseball team?
Didnt Jerry fight the cubs on public funding for Wrigley renovations?
Reinsdorf is baseball satan. He gets his jollies by disappointing fan bases every year. 2005 was not what he wanted at all, and the only reason it happened was because of a great manager and career years among several players. I've been a fan since '64 but I can't see this team improving while that wretch is in charge.
I have been a Whitesox fan since 1965. Suffered thru the awful 1970 season. But now, IMO it is the most hopeless time I have experienced in 60 years.
Please. Please go to Nashville. Or anywhere else but here.
Sox fan for nearly 40 years. Watch them on TV good or bad. Go to plenty of games good or bad. But I’m now sick of excuses. You want to sell out a stadium…..put something on the field worth watching!!! Ohtani could have provided that…….:what an idiot!! Even if he did want Ohtani, Ohtani would have never come here anyway.
New stadium ….same crappy product. Just look at the Bulls as well.
Between both bulls and Sox, the 2 teams in the last 20 years with like 2 playoff berths combined. But it Must be the fans!! Pretty sure the bulls are darn near a sell out every game!! Sick of excuses.
Jerry is full of baloney. Ohtani would never come to Chicago because he likes a large Asian fan base which Chicago does not have. In addition, Jerry's reputation for being disrespectful to his Sox fan base is a turn-off to top Asian players who believe in respect. I'm Asian.
This guy also threatened to go to Florida well he can go to Florida
look at past attendance compared to the W/L record, fans show when they win, as they should, especially with ownership that is on record saying that they are not obligated to do anything more than to put a competing team up and not spend past that point
Nashville, SLC, Toledo, whatever. They are welcome to them. North Side Sox fan alll my life. Now I couldn't care less. Buh Bye.
It's sad but I am right there with you
The people that work at that park including the season ticket reps are very very very rude . They think they are hot stuff , like they are doing us a favor
It's not just about Jerry R. not spending enough money, he is a horrible leader. The entire organization is dysfunctional and it starts at the top. If it was possible we should sell him to Nashville. Please Jerry, LEAVE TOWN but leave the White Sox here in Chicago.
Here Here! 🍻
As a Chicago sports fan, I am so grateful that nothing ever beat in my chest for the White Sox. Their WS championship was met with a shoulder shrug. Suffering with the Bulls is enough for me. Reisdorf makes Charles Comisky look like a soft touch.
LOHO cutting a promo on Jerry. Rightly so.
You sure it's not "Bernstain?"
Amen
Why do I feel like a lot of the talk about the access reporters is them digging at Bruce Levine without naming him 😆
Elderly real estate tax hawk said what?
Hard to even come up with a comment for this one. The sox have had good teams and good players, but man does Jerry suck. I'm a cubs fan, I have no problem catching games at 35th when I can. This screams cash grab and its gross.
Bulls net worth $4,100,000,000. White Sox net worth $2,100,000,000. $6,200,000,000 for these two teams. He could sell the Bulls and build new stadiums for the White Sox, Bears, Bulls, and Hawks.
He had a rough stretch in the 80’s, Jerry put a winning team on the field for most years between ‘90-‘12. Five first place finishes, eleven second place finishes and six third place finishes plus a WS win. Six year rebuild then produced a first, second and third place finish. Last year fell apart and now all the sudden Jerry doesn’t care. Spending the most money doesn’t necessarily make you the smartest guy. If he was able to put that many winning teams on the field without breaking the bank something is working. There have been times when he was ready to pop for mid season additions if things looked promising for the postseason, but didn’t pan out. Multiple stadium refinishes, winning teams should put butts in seats, but it’s clear that people don’t want to go to Lowrate Field no matter what, should not be that hard to see. I don’t enjoy watching home games with an empty stadium for the first two months of the season and I’m sure the players don’t like that either. Again, 78 or Nashville, the players and the fans deserve better.
1 WS championship in 43 years of ownership= Bullshit.