Well dang i got excited, got lang frames, and put them together already. I may need to figure out a way to have two sides i clamp on to the bottom rail
As bad as the cross comb gets through the summer I’d have to take them out in pieces, I’ve had nailed and glued deep frames break because of burr comb, planting times, harvest times, leaves very little time to work bees, if it doesn’t fit in the spinner I don’t want it, I’ve thought about bolting, wire clips ect, ect to tie 2 frames together???
Found what I was looking for. Building frames with Langstroth frames. What about instead of using a bamboo rod, just run frame wire across the section to hold it together. the bees won't feel like they have to stop going down the frame? Plus it'll hold the frame together nicely. Crimp the wire and you're done. Have you tried this? Curious
I tried that last year and the bees voted against it LOL. Check out some of my older content from 2020 and you'll see they prefer the Layens - PLUS the frames just "feel right" - very hard to explain, but if you get the chance to handle them you'll understand.
Good video. How do these hold up after use? Does the humidity in hive cause the tip of the arm to crack? Also, with all the work you are doing to convert Lang. frames to Layens, why not just make your own Layens frames. Or like in a previous video you said Dr. Leo says to modify your own Layens build to your needs. Can't you just make it a 19 7/8 width frame area and skip a lot of fiddling around? I'm just curious. Is it that your extractor won't take the wider frames for honey harvest?
To: Can't you just make it a 19 7/8 width frame area.... No. The whole point of Layens and similar hives is that they are MORE narrow in cross-section (to more naturally fit the bee cluster in winter). So the frames of 12-13 inch width fit this idea (including Layens, Warre, etc).
I just got my first extractor - so I'll let you know how they hold up. I expect they'll do just fine since Dr Leo also uses a dowel on some of his frames in the extractor without any problem. I'm going to be making more true Layens frames, but I just wanted to use my existing Lang frames as Layens frames so I cut them down. You could make the 19 7/8 extra deep frames, but after using both sizes I have to say that the Layens frames just "feel right", and bees in the wild typically seek out cavities in trees 12"-14" wide as opposed to wider, so I'm just going with the flow on what they like best.
Enjoy Beekeeping Good to know, I want to build a Layens style hive this winter. I keep wondering if I should go with the small width layens size for go with a Lang width frame. A few RUclipsrs seem to love them (I.e., Bee Boy), I want to find a balance in equipment. I’m heavily into Langstroth already. However, a Layens hive would solve problems in a apiary I have in another state. And they just look so fun and easy to manage. Thanks for your time and the video.
@@eberntson Of course, you can also make Lazutin hive with frames 19 7/8 wide. This will make for even larger hive (like it or leave it). Overall, IF one needs a hive that you only can check once in 2-3 months - a long&deep hive is the way to go. Clearly, the bees can not super themselves as needed. But with the long&deep hives this is a non-issue - you set them up once and go away - the bees will gradually grow sideways as they need to.
I've made both the 19 7/8 frames and Layens. I like how the bees work the Layens better. It might be that the bees local to me prefer a smaller cavity / frame size because they really seem to take to it better. So I'm sticking with Layens based on what I see the bees doing. I recently purchased an extractor that will handle all frame sizes, so I'm looking forward to using it soon.
i enjoy watching some of your videos, but i have to say, you have a table saw, you could of used some 1 x 12 pine and made your own top bars, just seemed like a waste of good top bars and lots of scrap wood, besides that, frames look good
I agree - I just like the 3/8" gap that the Langstroth frames incorporate for using my beetle blasters so I opted to cut them down. In the future, I will likely cut my own top bars, and all the other pieces too. Thanks for the feedback!
I'm attempting to do this myself to have them fit into a joined deep and shallow Langstroth boxes, but have not found anyone who has successfully done this to offer me suggestions on whether it will work well or not. .
I hear you my friend. More are starting to catch on. I'd say you'd do OK but I think you'll do better in Layens. That's based on my own personal experience. My plan is to divide my 20 frame horizontal Langs in 1/2 with a semi permanent divider and run (2) 8-10 frame colonies out of each one instead of having them trying to fill out 20 extra deep frames. It would probably work for bees in the New England states, but not for me in my area.
@@enjoybeekeeping5612 This go around with bees, I only plan on having a single hive to start and then expand to two--no more. I'm in NYC and will bee keeping my bees on an amazing rooftop garden and can only have max two hive. And I'm decided to go with the Flow Hives, which I already ordered, to make extractions easy on me without all the extra equipment. So now that I have them, I'm going to attempt to modify them. Hey, every since I've been talking about this for a months time, I've finally meeting others that have done the same, even with doubled NUCs; five super deep frames. My heart is telling me its the right thing. The longer frames mimic nature and bees overwinter 100% better and do better overall in every arena according to Dr. Leo (Russian Beekeeper.) I found a wood shop near me so the work begins soon. Here is a video of another beekeeper I have spoken with and he swears by it. ruclips.net/video/RtVWMVb2K0o/видео.html Wish me luck. And thanks for getting back with me.
@@bradgoliphant Brad - very exciting. I'm happy for you and hope you achieve everything you are setting out to do with beekeeping. I hear bees can do really well in the city, so I'm very interested to see how it goes. Keep me posted :)
@@enjoybeekeeping5612 Last response on this topic. Taking a change here--could I hire and pay for you to make me ten Layens frames to fit into a Modified Langstroth (already have) that measure 19" wide and 15.5" long? It would make my day. I'm not a shop guy. Either way I'm fine, but I had to ask. I would pay you for everything, including a tip.
So why are you purchasing frames and modifying them? Just make them from scratch. I can see if you have to mod to make use of existing frames. great info love the channel, I'm a first timer building my haves and have bees ordered.
I build all my Layens frames from scratch. I just so happened to have a few boxes of Langstroth frames that I knew I would not use since I phased out of Langstroth almost completely now. So I just modified them and thought if anyone else is in the same boat, I'd share how to use them rather than have them sit around. I suppose you could always trade them or give them away too.
Gene, I don't understand why people that don't use the standard Langsthroth hive always blow hard to show how much better their unconventional hive is. The way I see it the Layens hive stay mostly empty, lots of wasted space. I don't see a single commercial beekeeper using Layens hive. Commercial beekeepers are in for the money and if the Layens hive gave them an advantage they would certainly be using it.
Because Layens hive is more like a bee's natural hive and is intended for multi-year colonies, whereas commercial beekeepers want a hive that is portable and don't care about how long a colony has been around in a particular hive.
I understand where you might be coming from, but in the world of Ag Biz farmers do NOT usually prioritize what is best for the animals, but rather focus on speed and profitability. Since my income is not affected by how easily I can move my hives (which I never do) I build a home that is more like what they would choose in nature - like a cozy tree hollow. I think more farmers are starting to understand this, and hopefully we will continue to see animals being treated more like living creatures than dollar signs on a spread sheet.
Good information on converting. I have 150 med lang frames, and will likely be converting to Layens for next year.
Yes, Layens!!! Thanks for the Very informative demonstrations. You have skills!
This is perfect Gene. Thanks for calling today. Excited.
Great idea on extending the end bars! Will do the same.
Well dang i got excited, got lang frames, and put them together already. I may need to figure out a way to have two sides i clamp on to the bottom rail
Lots of good info. Thanks
As bad as the cross comb gets through the summer I’d have to take them out in pieces, I’ve had nailed and glued deep frames break because of burr comb, planting times, harvest times, leaves very little time to work bees, if it doesn’t fit in the spinner I don’t want it, I’ve thought about bolting, wire clips ect, ect to tie 2 frames together???
Found what I was looking for. Building frames with Langstroth frames. What about instead of using a bamboo rod, just run frame wire across the section to hold it together. the bees won't feel like they have to stop going down the frame? Plus it'll hold the frame together nicely. Crimp the wire and you're done.
Have you tried this? Curious
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New to your channel and new to the ideal of Layens hives, why not adjust the box width to match the langstroth width frames.
I tried that last year and the bees voted against it LOL. Check out some of my older content from 2020 and you'll see they prefer the Layens - PLUS the frames just "feel right" - very hard to explain, but if you get the chance to handle them you'll understand.
Good video. How do these hold up after use? Does the humidity in hive cause the tip of the arm to crack? Also, with all the work you are doing to convert Lang. frames to Layens, why not just make your own Layens frames. Or like in a previous video you said Dr. Leo says to modify your own Layens build to your needs. Can't you just make it a 19 7/8 width frame area and skip a lot of fiddling around? I'm just curious. Is it that your extractor won't take the wider frames for honey harvest?
To:
Can't you just make it a 19 7/8 width frame area....
No.
The whole point of Layens and similar hives is that they are MORE narrow in cross-section (to more naturally fit the bee cluster in winter). So the frames of 12-13 inch width fit this idea (including Layens, Warre, etc).
I just got my first extractor - so I'll let you know how they hold up. I expect they'll do just fine since Dr Leo also uses a dowel on some of his frames in the extractor without any problem. I'm going to be making more true Layens frames, but I just wanted to use my existing Lang frames as Layens frames so I cut them down. You could make the 19 7/8 extra deep frames, but after using both sizes I have to say that the Layens frames just "feel right", and bees in the wild typically seek out cavities in trees 12"-14" wide as opposed to wider, so I'm just going with the flow on what they like best.
Enjoy Beekeeping Good to know, I want to build a Layens style hive this winter. I keep wondering if I should go with the small width layens size for go with a Lang width frame. A few RUclipsrs seem to love them (I.e., Bee Boy), I want to find a balance in equipment. I’m heavily into Langstroth already. However, a Layens hive would solve problems in a apiary I have in another state. And they just look so fun and easy to manage. Thanks for your time and the video.
@@eberntson
Of course, you can also make Lazutin hive with frames 19 7/8 wide.
This will make for even larger hive (like it or leave it).
Overall, IF one needs a hive that you only can check once in 2-3 months - a long&deep hive is the way to go. Clearly, the bees can not super themselves as needed. But with the long&deep hives this is a non-issue - you set them up once and go away - the bees will gradually grow sideways as they need to.
I've made both the 19 7/8 frames and Layens. I like how the bees work the Layens better. It might be that the bees local to me prefer a smaller cavity / frame size because they really seem to take to it better. So I'm sticking with Layens based on what I see the bees doing. I recently purchased an extractor that will handle all frame sizes, so I'm looking forward to using it soon.
i enjoy watching some of your videos, but i have to say, you have a table saw, you could of used some 1 x 12 pine and made your own top bars, just seemed like a waste of good top bars and lots of scrap wood, besides that, frames look good
I agree - I just like the 3/8" gap that the Langstroth frames incorporate for using my beetle blasters so I opted to cut them down. In the future, I will likely cut my own top bars, and all the other pieces too. Thanks for the feedback!
I'm attempting to do this myself to have them fit into a joined deep and shallow Langstroth boxes, but have not found anyone who has successfully done this to offer me suggestions on whether it will work well or not. .
I hear you my friend. More are starting to catch on. I'd say you'd do OK but I think you'll do better in Layens. That's based on my own personal experience. My plan is to divide my 20 frame horizontal Langs in 1/2 with a semi permanent divider and run (2) 8-10 frame colonies out of each one instead of having them trying to fill out 20 extra deep frames. It would probably work for bees in the New England states, but not for me in my area.
@@enjoybeekeeping5612 This go around with bees, I only plan on having a single hive to start and then expand to two--no more. I'm in NYC and will bee keeping my bees on an amazing rooftop garden and can only have max two hive. And I'm decided to go with the Flow Hives, which I already ordered, to make extractions easy on me without all the extra equipment. So now that I have them, I'm going to attempt to modify them. Hey, every since I've been talking about this for a months time, I've finally meeting others that have done the same, even with doubled NUCs; five super deep frames. My heart is telling me its the right thing. The longer frames mimic nature and bees overwinter 100% better and do better overall in every arena according to Dr. Leo (Russian Beekeeper.) I found a wood shop near me so the work begins soon. Here is a video of another beekeeper I have spoken with and he swears by it. ruclips.net/video/RtVWMVb2K0o/видео.html
Wish me luck. And thanks for getting back with me.
@@bradgoliphant Brad - very exciting. I'm happy for you and hope you achieve everything you are setting out to do with beekeeping. I hear bees can do really well in the city, so I'm very interested to see how it goes. Keep me posted :)
@@enjoybeekeeping5612 Last response on this topic. Taking a change here--could I hire and pay for you to make me ten Layens frames to fit into a Modified Langstroth (already have) that measure 19" wide and 15.5" long? It would make my day. I'm not a shop guy. Either way I'm fine, but I had to ask. I would pay you for everything, including a tip.
Cool
electric pencil sharpener to round the bottom bar
So why are you purchasing frames and modifying them? Just make them from scratch. I can see if you have to mod to make use of existing frames. great info love the channel, I'm a first timer building my haves and have bees ordered.
I build all my Layens frames from scratch. I just so happened to have a few boxes of Langstroth frames that I knew I would not use since I phased out of Langstroth almost completely now. So I just modified them and thought if anyone else is in the same boat, I'd share how to use them rather than have them sit around. I suppose you could always trade them or give them away too.
Gene, I don't understand why people that don't use the standard Langsthroth
hive always blow hard to show how much better their unconventional hive is.
The way I see it the Layens hive stay mostly empty, lots of wasted space.
I don't see a single commercial beekeeper using Layens hive.
Commercial beekeepers are in for the money and if the Layens hive gave them an advantage they would certainly be using it.
Because Layens hive is more like a bee's natural hive and is intended for multi-year colonies, whereas commercial beekeepers want a hive that is portable and don't care about how long a colony has been around in a particular hive.
I understand where you might be coming from, but in the world of Ag Biz farmers do NOT usually prioritize what is best for the animals, but rather focus on speed and profitability. Since my income is not affected by how easily I can move my hives (which I never do) I build a home that is more like what they would choose in nature - like a cozy tree hollow. I think more farmers are starting to understand this, and hopefully we will continue to see animals being treated more like living creatures than dollar signs on a spread sheet.