PLEASE NOTE --- I've said no less than 20 times that i am aware the grain on the end bars is running the wrong way. This is a "process video" made with scrap lumber for people with enough wood-working experience to manage making them, which should also be people who should know the grain is running the wrong way, and do it correctly. Comments regarding grain direction will be removed from this point forward. It brings nothing to the conversation.
Okay :) I was going to be a smartass and say something, but I'll refrain. Thanks for this series. My son is just getting into beekeeping, and I want to build him some supers/frames to help him out.
Been looking all day for a video on these end bars.. i didnt even know they were called end bars. All I kept finding were people assembling those frame kits so a big thanks to you for making and sharing this with us.
I'm wondering if the way the grain is oriented on your end bars would make the brittle. I know when I have thin scraps after cutting boards they snap very easily.
Great question. I personally have never had an end bar snap due to grain orientation. Especially in light of the fact that end bars are nearly a half inch thick, coming in at 3/8". Though typically I use scrap which is oriented the correct way for production pieces. The piece I cut in this video was literally a scrap and I paid no mind as to the orientation since the process was more of the focus of the video. Given also that any end bars are usually heavily covered with propolis early in their lives means they are not likely to snap. The forces acting on end bars are usually not perpendicular to their orientation as well which makes them far less likely to snap.
Thank you for making this video. I am new to beekeeping and to woodworking and have been trying to work out how to do a lot of the cuts, particularly for these end pieces. You took the time to explain it, and the tip about the 60 tooth blade. Thank you
This is badass..I don't yet have a tablesaw...and I probably won't get one...but the fact that you're taking the time to put this together for us is awesome..I will definitely be making a nuc off your other video..but now I want to try this too
Well if you are going to give a thumbs-down, the least you could do is post a message, with why, so that I could make improvements for you in the future. Nothing like passive-aggressive to keep the internet rolling right guys! :)
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i like the idea of narrowing the bottom part at the same time. i have 100 pcs made that i have to trim each. Thanks for the idea. Btw whats your sidearm? it looks natural on you and doesnt pull your pants down..
That was made by the previous owner so no I have not. I use solid plastic frames and if I don't I buy the wooden ones . Actually I just pull them off the shelf.
Great video I made some but they all broke when cutting to 3/8 due to the grain going across instead of vertical I made more with the grain going the right way and their all strong no breakage
ya i used scrap wood to make this video, and have mentioned the grain direction being wrong several times in posts as it was for demonstration only. You are right though, the grain running vertically is what you want.
I liked this a lot. Especially the way you use the dado stack to make the narrower bottom bit. Most guys cut out each end bar and then cut the narrower bit with a bandsaw. Seems much slower than the way you do it. Any way you can make a video about how you do it with a router?
Thanks Andrew, I think I can find time to do it with the router, as that's how i normally do it anyway. Keep an eye out for it to be uploaded in the next couple days
Funny Bug Bees and Wood Works thanks brother. I have a nice wood shop and I'm just trying to figure out if it's worth building myself. I buy frames 1000 at a time.
using a router and sitting down to work with the plan of making frames for the day, I can usually knock out around 500+ per day without working too hard. If you buy in bulk im guessing you are paying around $0.80 or so for frames (if cheaper let me know where so i can buy from there also). If you are lucky like me and get all your stock for making frames for free from a wooden products manufacturer, then your potential savings from making 1000 frames from free stock is about $800, not bad for two days work. Really its a question of value for time. If you are going to pay $0.15 or so for the stock by buying it, then your savings will be lower and you'll need to decide if the time is worth that dollar amount.
Funny Bug Bees and Wood Works I can get 1000 for $650 without foundation, unassembled from an Amish guy here in Michigan. Good deal probably. But I just like the idea of making my own.
how is the quality of the frames, and the uniformity? Got contact info, private message me it, ill give him some business, because i cant keep up with the demand and buy some for resale.
I think since all the complaints about the grain going the wrong way. You should make a follow up and make the going the right way with a scrap 2 x 8! Just a thought.
Let me start by saying you are a great wood worker. But as most have stated, it's not a good idea to use end grain that way. If you cut that same board to the correct height at the beginning and just make a few the rest of your directions would be the same with the exception of different grain orientation. Overall great job though. Watched all 3 parts and was very impressed. Keep up the great work.
As ive replied to others, the video is a method video and doesnt cover basic woodworking skills, like grain orientation. It is assumed those that watch my videos have some wood working experience and know to select grain orientation. I was using scrap to make the video and therefore was not concerned with grain orientation, as the point of the video is the method. Though your advice to others is correct, you should select correct grain orientation for the structural integrity of your finished product.
crank the blade up and run it through vertically (though to be honest i dont use this method) When i am making these myself i use my jointer to thickness plane the wood.
which totally defeats the whole idea of your video series. which was making frames with only a table saw. i watched your videos, but if you are going to show how to do something the wrong way, or not show all of the steps, what was the point. you lost me when you didnt show how to thickness the board for the side pieces, when you switched to a dadoe rather than nibbling away with a single blade. i understand that having a jointer and a dadoe stack makes it easier for your production runs. i know that there are easier and harder ways to do something. but in my case, i was hoping to see it done with a single blade table saw, which is what i have, to see if i could do frames with out having to upgrade my saw. i intend to upgrade my saw, but 6-15 hundred dollars while also looking at a new hobby , beekeeping, gets expensive quick. and your answer is not only do ii need a upgraded saw but also a jointer. yeah making frames with just a table saw is a great title.
what defeats the purpose? My answer clearly says that i ran the stock through the tablesaw, then flipped it over and ran it through again -- this is because with my 10" table saw i cant get all the way through the stock from one side. I leave out some steps, videos cannot be 1 hour long, and at least a small level of woodworking experience is required. Should i have to explain how to get your stock to a certain thickness using a table saw? There are some things it would be expected for you to understand how to do without being told how to do them before you ever consider taking on a project like this. This is one of those things. I left out no steps, i just "got my wood to the correct thickness using methods standard in woodworking". In this videos case, i did it with a table saw. My answer to Richard though lets him know that i do this for myself with a planar since i have one. No tools were used in the making of these frames or this video other than a table saw. For those woodworkers with access to a jointer, router, miter saw, etc. there are MUCH better ways to do it. For those without those tools though, and with only a tablesaw, this shows one method to get frames built. Your being upset with me for using a dado stack is confusing...Isn't a dado stack a blade for a tablesaw? How is this somehow "cheating" or using a "specialty tool"? or not as you say doing it all with a tablesaw and somehow being wrong for titling the video as i did.. I am sorry you somehow felt cheated, or didnt like the video. I really do offer these videos in an effort to help people build their own equipment, they are offered as is with no promises though.
This is a video the previous owner did and we have not made any of these so I am unable to commit. We buy all of ours and will more than likely not be doing this.
@@FunnyBugBeesandWoodWorks great work I seen you cut the board twice bro but both times the board was flat to get the 1 3/8 I thought would have to cut board straight up and down to narrow the thickness not knocking your work at all was just wondering
this video was made using plans from a book. Since i dont actually make frames using the method in this video, you would need to give me the point in the video timer you are talking about so i can look at the video at that time stamp and see what you mean.
cut on table saw....might be hard unless you have a 12" table saw, most folks in the DIY community have a 8" or 10" table saw. That said you can do it without a tablesaw using a planar.
the short answer is all table saws with an arbor long enough to accept a dado stack blade. Most documentation for table saws includes the maximum thickness of dado they can accept, if they can accept one at all. This is why its hard to answer, there are literally hundreds of saws which accept dado stacks.
You can "nibble" it like he did cutting the notches in video #1. It takes longer (more passes) but it's basically using your regular blade like a 1/8" dado.
Would you be willing to email me your method of doing this commercially? I have a commercial shop I inherited from my grandfather.... no clue what half the equipment even is but am slowly learning on these behemoth machines. Been beekeeping for a few years now and getting to the point of going through 20+ boxes a year, don't like the high dollar prices and trying to do everything at lowest cost.
to be honest without a $30,000 machine to cut frame parts, its MUCH cheaper to buy frames. Working alone, in an 8 hour day, I can do about 100 frames, and thats working my tail off. Where as we sell frames for about $90 per case of 100. I guess it all depends on what your time is worth, mine is worth more than $11 an hour, it makes no sense to me to make them.
Yes I am aware. Its a guide for how to make frames, not a beginning woodshop class. If users do not know how to orient grain direction, then this job is most likely beyond their scope. Im using pieces of scrap just to make the video.
Hello! You have a very usefull channel. Thank you for your work. Do you mind if I translate some videos from your channel and use on my channel providing all the links to the original ones and recommendation to subscribe to you?
PLEASE NOTE --- I've said no less than 20 times that i am aware the grain on the end bars is running the wrong way. This is a "process video" made with scrap lumber for people with enough wood-working experience to manage making them, which should also be people who should know the grain is running the wrong way, and do it correctly. Comments regarding grain direction will be removed from this point forward. It brings nothing to the conversation.
Sure are pretty with the grain that way though!
Okay :) I was going to be a smartass and say something, but I'll refrain. Thanks for this series. My son is just getting into beekeeping, and I want to build him some supers/frames to help him out.
@@Makermook lol you are welcome
for using a random sample of scrap wood, you either had some good luck or like you said a top notch blade to get thru with out breaking... great job..
Really appreciate you doing this with just a table saw.
Great work and guidance. I like the fact that you've explained that the grains should be oriented correctly when doing the actual sides.
Been looking all day for a video on these end bars.. i didnt even know they were called end bars. All I kept finding were people assembling those frame kits so a big thanks to you for making and sharing this with us.
no problem man!
Great video. I am glad you mentioned the end grain ordeal. Most people would not have noticed.
I'm wondering if the way the grain is oriented on your end bars would make the brittle. I know when I have thin scraps after cutting boards they snap very easily.
Great question. I personally have never had an end bar snap due to grain orientation. Especially in light of the fact that end bars are nearly a half inch thick, coming in at 3/8". Though typically I use scrap which is oriented the correct way for production pieces. The piece I cut in this video was literally a scrap and I paid no mind as to the orientation since the process was more of the focus of the video. Given also that any end bars are usually heavily covered with propolis early in their lives means they are not likely to snap. The forces acting on end bars are usually not perpendicular to their orientation as well which makes them far less likely to snap.
Yeah you got the grain running the wrong way.
Thanks for the video! I’m definitely a novice woodworker and this was very helpful.
Thank you for making this video. I am new to beekeeping and to woodworking and have been trying to work out how to do a lot of the cuts, particularly for these end pieces. You took the time to explain it, and the tip about the 60 tooth blade. Thank you
you are welcome David!
Great instructional videos, good pace and I am thankful band saws went on sale near me as I don't have a dado set.
This is badass..I don't yet have a tablesaw...and I probably won't get one...but the fact that you're taking the time to put this together for us is awesome..I will definitely be making a nuc off your other video..but now I want to try this too
Well if you are going to give a thumbs-down, the least you could do is post a message, with why, so that I could make improvements for you in the future. Nothing like passive-aggressive to keep the internet rolling right guys! :)
I'm trying my first time making frames. I'm impressed by your videos. Don't worry about them. Haters gonna hate
That was awesome!! I noticed your law enforcement shirt on one of the videos. Thank You for serving us !!! I have subscribed.... God Bless You Sir!!
I am actually a paramedic, not LEO, but I am also a veteran of the first gulf war, serving in the US Navy. Thanks for the subscribe, hopefully, I'll have something worth your time!
Funny Bug Bees and Wood Works I Thank you for serving our country, your fellow Americans!!! God Bless !!
Thank you sir, i really appreciate it!
i like the idea of narrowing the bottom part at the same time. i have 100 pcs made that i have to trim each. Thanks for the idea. Btw whats your sidearm? it looks natural on you and doesnt pull your pants down..
I change between a bersa thunder 380 and a S&W M&P Shield. The one in this video is the 380.
Have you used these cross grain side pieces before? Seems like they would be easier to break.
That was made by the previous owner so no I have not. I use solid plastic frames and if I don't I buy the wooden ones . Actually I just pull them off the shelf.
Great video I made some but they all broke when cutting to 3/8 due to the grain going across instead of vertical I made more with the grain going the right way and their all strong no breakage
ya i used scrap wood to make this video, and have mentioned the grain direction being wrong several times in posts as it was for demonstration only. You are right though, the grain running vertically is what you want.
I liked this a lot. Especially the way you use the dado stack to make the narrower bottom bit. Most guys cut out each end bar and then cut the narrower bit with a bandsaw. Seems much slower than the way you do it. Any way you can make a video about how you do it with a router?
Thanks Andrew, I think I can find time to do it with the router, as that's how i normally do it anyway. Keep an eye out for it to be uploaded in the next couple days
Funny Bug Bees and Wood Works thanks brother. I have a nice wood shop and I'm just trying to figure out if it's worth building myself. I buy frames 1000 at a time.
using a router and sitting down to work with the plan of making frames for the day, I can usually knock out around 500+ per day without working too hard. If you buy in bulk im guessing you are paying around $0.80 or so for frames (if cheaper let me know where so i can buy from there also). If you are lucky like me and get all your stock for making frames for free from a wooden products manufacturer, then your potential savings from making 1000 frames from free stock is about $800, not bad for two days work. Really its a question of value for time. If you are going to pay $0.15 or so for the stock by buying it, then your savings will be lower and you'll need to decide if the time is worth that dollar amount.
Funny Bug Bees and Wood Works I can get 1000 for $650 without foundation, unassembled from an Amish guy here in Michigan. Good deal probably. But I just like the idea of making my own.
how is the quality of the frames, and the uniformity? Got contact info, private message me it, ill give him some business, because i cant keep up with the demand and buy some for resale.
I think since all the complaints about the grain going the wrong way. You should make a follow up and make the going the right way with a scrap 2 x 8! Just a thought.
maybe when i get time I can do that.
Great work and nice tip w/ the 60 tooth blade.😅
Great job man, thanks for the video..I'll be waiting for more 👍
Thanks Osbaldo
Let me start by saying you are a great wood worker. But as most have stated, it's not a good idea to use end grain that way. If you cut that same board to the correct height at the beginning and just make a few the rest of your directions would be the same with the exception of different grain orientation. Overall great job though. Watched all 3 parts and was very impressed. Keep up the great work.
As ive replied to others, the video is a method video and doesnt cover basic woodworking skills, like grain orientation. It is assumed those that watch my videos have some wood working experience and know to select grain orientation. I was using scrap to make the video and therefore was not concerned with grain orientation, as the point of the video is the method. Though your advice to others is correct, you should select correct grain orientation for the structural integrity of your finished product.
Not the right choice of board too long of a grains break easy
Excellent !!!!!!!
How do you get your thickness of board to 1-3/8 with your table saw????
crank the blade up and run it through vertically (though to be honest i dont use this method) When i am making these myself i use my jointer to thickness plane the wood.
which totally defeats the whole idea of your video series. which was making frames with only a table saw. i watched your videos, but if you are going to show how to do something the wrong way, or not show all of the steps, what was the point. you lost me when you didnt show how to thickness the board for the side pieces, when you switched to a dadoe rather than nibbling away with a single blade. i understand that having a jointer and a dadoe stack makes it easier for your production runs. i know that there are easier and harder ways to do something. but in my case, i was hoping to see it done with a single blade table saw, which is what i have, to see if i could do frames with out having to upgrade my saw. i intend to upgrade my saw, but 6-15 hundred dollars while also looking at a new hobby , beekeeping, gets expensive quick. and your answer is not only do ii need a upgraded saw but also a jointer. yeah making frames with just a table saw is a great title.
what defeats the purpose? My answer clearly says that i ran the stock through the tablesaw, then flipped it over and ran it through again -- this is because with my 10" table saw i cant get all the way through the stock from one side. I leave out some steps, videos cannot be 1 hour long, and at least a small level of woodworking experience is required. Should i have to explain how to get your stock to a certain thickness using a table saw? There are some things it would be expected for you to understand how to do without being told how to do them before you ever consider taking on a project like this. This is one of those things. I left out no steps, i just "got my wood to the correct thickness using methods standard in woodworking". In this videos case, i did it with a table saw. My answer to Richard though lets him know that i do this for myself with a planar since i have one. No tools were used in the making of these frames or this video other than a table saw. For those woodworkers with access to a jointer, router, miter saw, etc. there are MUCH better ways to do it. For those without those tools though, and with only a tablesaw, this shows one method to get frames built.
Your being upset with me for using a dado stack is confusing...Isn't a dado stack a blade for a tablesaw? How is this somehow "cheating" or using a "specialty tool"? or not as you say doing it all with a tablesaw and somehow being wrong for titling the video as i did..
I am sorry you somehow felt cheated, or didnt like the video. I really do offer these videos in an effort to help people build their own equipment, they are offered as is with no promises though.
What is the reason for building a box around your fence?
Spot on mate, thanks for that. 100s
Thanks Dragonfly!
How many you think you are able to do these in an hour if you have the right material?
This is a video the previous owner did and we have not made any of these so I am unable to commit. We buy all of ours and will more than likely not be doing this.
Need to use a stop block on the fence so those pieces don't get stuck and kick you back below the belt there... Process is solid and simple though.
agreed, ive been kicked once or twice in my 32 years of woodworking, it wasnt fun either time. :)
Same question how did you get the 1 3/8 I understand the 6 1/4 cut
Love your work
@@FunnyBugBeesandWoodWorks great work I seen you cut the board twice bro but both times the board was flat to get the 1 3/8 I thought would have to cut board straight up and down to narrow the thickness not knocking your work at all was just wondering
this video was made using plans from a book. Since i dont actually make frames using the method in this video, you would need to give me the point in the video timer you are talking about so i can look at the video at that time stamp and see what you mean.
Olha to precisando de uma serra dessa mostrado em seu video, passe o endereco por favor. Obrigado
Então você quer minha serra e precisa do endereço? :)
and yet another confirmation that I need to purchase a dado blade and hope it fits my ryobi table saw.
give me the model number of your saw and ill give you the model numbers of the correct dado sets to use with it!
did you know the grain is running the wrong way
Sorry the previous owner made that video . I
How again did the thickness get from 1.5" to 1-3/8"
cut on table saw....might be hard unless you have a 12" table saw, most folks in the DIY community have a 8" or 10" table saw. That said you can do it without a tablesaw using a planar.
Will this method work making 9 1/8 end frames for the larger frames.
yes, bottom bars and top bars of frames no matter the size are the same.
Which table saw is good with dado blade ?
the short answer is all table saws with an arbor long enough to accept a dado stack blade. Most documentation for table saws includes the maximum thickness of dado they can accept, if they can accept one at all. This is why its hard to answer, there are literally hundreds of saws which accept dado stacks.
Funny Bug Bees and Wood Works
Thanks sir
is there anyway to do this cut without a dado blade?
You can "nibble" it like he did cutting the notches in video #1. It takes longer (more passes) but it's basically using your regular blade like a 1/8" dado.
A router table with the appropriate sized router bit and fence also works well if you don't have the dado blades.
Would you be willing to email me your method of doing this commercially? I have a commercial shop I inherited from my grandfather.... no clue what half the equipment even is but am slowly learning on these behemoth machines. Been beekeeping for a few years now and getting to the point of going through 20+ boxes a year, don't like the high dollar prices and trying to do everything at lowest cost.
to be honest without a $30,000 machine to cut frame parts, its MUCH cheaper to buy frames. Working alone, in an 8 hour day, I can do about 100 frames, and thats working my tail off. Where as we sell frames for about $90 per case of 100. I guess it all depends on what your time is worth, mine is worth more than $11 an hour, it makes no sense to me to make them.
Dude, this is just wrong, you cannot make stuff out of board using the end grain like that,
Yes I am aware. Its a guide for how to make frames, not a beginning woodshop class. If users do not know how to orient grain direction, then this job is most likely beyond their scope. Im using pieces of scrap just to make the video.
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Hello! You have a very usefull channel. Thank you for your work. Do you mind if I translate some videos from your channel and use on my channel providing all the links to the original ones and recommendation to subscribe to you?