I Cut My Cheap Chinese Carbon Frame in Half... Here Is What I Found!
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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We're taking a cheap carbon frame and slicing it in half to see what's really inside. Will it be a Chinese carbon frame review nightmare or a carbon fiber expert's dream come true? And the big question on everyone's mind, is this Chinese carbon frame any good? Find out as we take a look at the internal structure of a Chinese carbon frame. Buckle up, it's going to be a wild ride!"
Get ready for some cutting-edge (literally) footage as we dive into the world of carbon fiber. And hopefully, we’ll learn something new about carbon bike frames and carbon bike frame construction.
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The price of chinese manufacturing is not just the retail price of the product. The PRC has the strategy of world domination in manufacturing. That would be bad enough for consumer freedom if it was just restricted to produce. However PRC is committed to unfair trade practices, disrespect of intellectual property rights and human rights in general.
So the true cost of a cheap £300 frame, if PRC is successful with their strategy is much greater including loss of consumer choice at elections, where and how to make a living at work and your human rights.
So you still have the choice of product and country of origin for now.
Use it wisely as PRC are not our friends..
@@lonpfrb I think you've been taking in too much Western propaganda. Maybe ease off a bit.
I know all about cheap crap from China. I worked at WalMart for seventeen years.
@@mannacler WalMart has cheap crap because that's exactly what they specified and ordered. It's what Americans want.
@@trevc yes, completely agree. He should eat a snicker 🍫
That frame looks better made than many of the frames I've seen cut up by Raul at Luescher Technik. He has shown huge issues with super expensive brands. At the end of the day though carbon fibre is a hand made process with lots of potential for faults. It's the most advanced material with the least advanced manufacturing in many ways. From what I've seen that is a maybe 6 or 7 out of 10 frame. Overall good I would say. I'm not a performance cyclist though and have zero use for such a bike, I don't need to have a lightweight weak bike it serves no purpose for me and they aren't environmentally friendly. Titanium, steel and aluminium can all be fully recycled and have much better manufacturing consistency. I totally understand the appeal of CF for competitive cyclists though.
All good points! I've watched a few of his videos and they are interesting for sure.
If more videos like this are made, it would encourage more manufacturers to do better regardless of price point
From what I've seen, that frame looks better on the inside than my 11 year old top model Merida Time Warp.
Was looking forward to this, it didn't disappoint. Another great vid, thanks JC.
Glad you enjoyed it
YOU DID A SANDY MUNRO JOB IN CARBON BIKES INDEED WELL DONE...
Cut up a top end frame and compare......
you're a demon!
Hopefully as the channel grows I can buy top end frames and create a similar videos 👍🏽
The problem with the top end is that at the end of the day, the adepts will still buy it even if it will be shit.
Oh, that's this particular manufacturer did a bad frame, the other one does it better.
Or, oh, that was 2019's frame, nowadays they do better quality and stuff like that.
@@rand_kk sad truth
LUESCHER TEKNIK on RUclips does this. People donate crashed bikes. Lots of high end carbon bikes.
So sounds like the best bet would be to to get only a frame by Trifox, and fork from another brand?
They put a lot of effort into making the whole bike safe so I wouldn't write off the fork straight away. We still don't know what those white bits are. The black stuff is thin, but the white bits they're stuck to are thick.
The white stuff is just a filler compound. Its not actually impregnated with carbon or anything. You also see it on cheaply built frames to fill space around the BB (particularly wider areas where the BB and chainstay meet) and rear dropout. More structurally sound than just empty space but its not a component to resist shearing forces, which would be what that suspicious thinned joiner of the fork would fail to.
At the same time, your one was the best one
Most Western brand frames are made in China of Taiwan; even some very expensive and beautifully crafted Titanium frames are made in China. Ultimately you "get what you pay for" when you go ch=eap, but sometimes you also get crap for a high price. That fame is actually a bargain, and you could install a better fork if that is the weak point.
Great finally see a frame cut in half to see the inside and have an expert opinion. Are you gonna do the same with the defy and the elves for comparison? 😂
hahaha... I'll think I'll ride those bikes 😂 - Although I'm looking for other frames where I can do the same thing.
You're going to need to recharge your finger as it's lost its magic. You pointed to a non-existent link at the end of the video.
I was looking at a new rigid fork for my MTB on Aliexpres but after Rob's comments I think I'll pass. It's probably fine, but I don't wanna be the guy that breaks his neck on the one that isn't fine 😅😉 If I get a branded one at least I have a company to go to when things go south.
This is an incredible peak behind the curtain for carbon products in general and bar no one else is posting this information, Thank you so much.
Glad it was helpful! 👍🏽
@@JourdainColeman The longitudinal cuts helped me to understand wall thicknesses.
@Jourdain Coleman
Excellent investigation, well presented.
The price of chinese manufacturing is not just the retail price of the product. The PRC has the strategy of world domination in manufacturing. That would be bad enough for consumer freedom if it was just restricted to produce. However PRC is committed to unfair trade practices, disrespect of intellectual property rights and human rights in general.
So the true cost of a cheap £300 frame, if PRC is successful with their strategy is much greater including loss of consumer choice at elections, where and how to make a living at work and your human rights.
So you still have the choice of product and country of origin for now.
Use it wisely as PRC are not our friends..
It pains me to say it but that frame is better made than some of the top brands.
I rank reality!
Perhaps Jourdain could get a Trek, Giant, Cannondale frame that is few years and cut it up for comparison, as one way of getting around the cost issue. Or perhaps buy a crashed / damaged ‘ Western’ and do a similar dissection. A woman in our club had a high end Ridley which failed around the head tube which was replaced under warranty. She said the LBS she bought the bike from said the frame only cost ‘a couple of hundred ££ quite astonishing given the the retail price of complete bike or frame only. 🤔
It's funny you think of them as cheap. The Chinese have been making carbonfibre tubes far longer than anyone else in the world. Their mastery of the art of carbonfibre is years ahead of anyone else in the world. You have just been conditioned by bike manufacturers to think brand name carbon is expensive.
Great vid, really appreciate the cut up off the frame. Very interesting.
Luescher Teknik has great cut ups, also , frames are a bit old but very good to see all different makes. He’s a genius with carbon fibre.
In one video I think he said he was asked to repair a frame by Specialized he quoted something like 200-300 in dollars, I presume as he’s an Aussie , they declined as they said they could easily make a frame for less.
@@hughstultz7849 there a lots of videos on here of them brands betting cut up
Hands down the best bike/carbon/manufacturing video of the decade! Wow! This wad so much fun to watch. Chinese frames have never been a hotter topic than now with economics going south and price increases in combination with Chinese frames actually being rideable just a question of how good. Please continue these kind of videos ❤️❤️ you make all other RUclipsrs look like total wankers
Good to hear you found the video useful! I'll do my best to keep these videos coming. As the channel grows I'l have more money to reinvest and make this type of video 👍🏽
First, I hope you are wearing eye and breathing protection when you were doing all that cutting. Second, I'd like to know if you expect the problem with the fork to cause a catastrophic failure or more of a slow break with maybe the headset getting loose and letting you know there's a problem. Thanks for the great content.
You can see he is at a couple of points. Don't worry!
Chinese bikes are not cheap. Branded bikes are overpriced.
Please continue to do this testing. You can become the " project farm" of testers for bicycle frames.
“We’re gonna test that!”
Excellent video, I built a Trifox light frame ( given at 900 grams frame only) with Shimano 105. Arrived at around 7.5 kg total, riding for the past three years. No issues so far. Bought the frame in Shenzhen directly at the factory, needless to say service is great. Got the handlebar from them as well, one piece molded.
Now i wanna see you cut up the elves or the New falath evo and have Rob analyse it. Convince elves its good marketing stunt to donate their brand New frame for testing
Maybe in the future. We shall see. 🤔
Great info! Thanks for sharing. I've been racing a Chinese enduro carbon frame since 2 years ago, and I've been very happy with it. Right now I'm on the 2nd frame, but I change it only to change size. No problems at all! Frame is an Ican P9, highly recommended.
Great to hear it worked out well for you 👍🏽 I've looked at ican frames recently
People need to distinguish between Taiwan and Mainland China. There is a difference in quality.
wow, yes I'll agree with comments here, that frame is very well made for the price!
The white foam bit in the fork is not epoxy, it's an insert
Oh, and seriously, I see from commentary below you are allegedly wearing PPE which I did not see. However, you are abrading [by cutting] a potential highly toxic substance, in an open room where the dust will remain for anyone else to breathe for some time. While we do not yet know the long term risks of both the poison from the epoxy and if the tiny fibres are indeed like asbestos and unable to be ejected from the lungs. Just a thought.
90% of frames are made in China. And have seen a lot worse than that at 3x the price!.
As are derailleurs, chains, chain rings, shifters, etc.
On one hand, why bother with cheap carbon crap? On the other hand, "proper" carbon is so overpriced that I'd rather spend the money on a beautiful fully custom steel frame built to order. Yeah, it'll probably be heavier, but like most mere mortals, I'm way above racing weight for a lighter bike to make ANY difference at all. Want to save some weight for free? Just pee or take a shit before heading out. 🤷♂
😂😂😂
I find it hard to believe that that large white section in the fork could be solid epoxy resin that's a huge span with few voids. Given the geometry at the section is quite complex it wouldn't surprise me if an expanding syntactic foam was used. In order to get even/reliable pressure distribution to the carbon in that difficult region. Other manufacturers do this in localised areas. Depending on how restricted it is to expansion will alter its density.
I came here to say the same thing. Pretty sure that's a structural foam insert to fill that void and create the shape in a way that wouldn't be possible with air bladders
@@galenkehler so what the fuck is it
The "Carbon expert" is wrong in his assumption that the white stuff is escaped resin during compression. It is an intentional syntactic filler that fills the cavity and prevents non-compression zones.
Those forks become an assembly once the wheel is installed, so squeezing the fork legs in that direction doesn't make much sense.
Yeah, Rob did mention that It's interesting to see none the less 👍🏽
think again, you put stress on them at the turns. the important spot is the radius
@@hash-CCFF00 And of course, the wheel is installed while making turns...
1) Please, if you care anything about your own health, when you're cutting carbon fiber wear a respirator and cut over a vacuum table. Carbon splinters and dust are inert particles your body doesn't register as foreign bodies and will sit in your lungs and in your own skin not actively expelled by the body's immune system.
2) It's actually fairly easy to source mainstream manufacturer bike frames to cut up. They're called warranty repair or crashed bikes. Warranty repair only requires the shop to destroy the frame, would consider what you're trying to do destructive. ;)
3) If the repair expert says the forks are likely something he doesn't feel confident in, why do you end up saying you're going to keep buying them and running them? Simply buy another reputable fork and run that. Paint/decal it however you want.
Thabk you, finally someone says it. I was baffled by the recklessness in this video. I always hoped they at least wore FFP2 masks, but obviously, nothing at all. Cancer incoming. Sad, but that guy's own fault.
@@donfuan76 by your standard, I should be dead by now. But alas 40 years in and I have yet to see myself, let alone a colleague suffer any these life threatening issues. Yes, we wear PPE, but it's never a sure thing and we can and do inhale dust in small amounts.
Cheap and quality are 2 words that are worlds apart.
Trace Velo had a Trifox frame which he threw in the bin.....says it all really
Paid review 😂😂😂😂 those negative properties that are seen in examination are also can be seen in your branded carbon frames. 😂
the white material you found may be a milled filling foam used to wrap carbon-fiber around: you can have a shape designed to withstand force, without having to layer carbon solid
what material is it?
Looks like a PMI foam core. @@hash-CCFF00
the "Carbon expert" is wrong in his assumption that the white stuff is escaped resin during compression. It is an intentional syntactic filler that fills the cavity and prevents non-compression zones.
Hmm, so what is the difference between a ''cheap chinese'' and a ''expensive chinese'' carbon frame? Would you say that Trek carbon bikes have a cheap or expensive chinese carbon frame?
Generic Chinese. Did I miss you saying there are general differences between Taiwan made Chinese frames and mainland Chinese made frames? If you don't make that distinction, you are underestimating my Taiwan Chinese friends.
Very interesting video with a lot of good insights about carbon bicycle frame construction. There was one thing that struck me hard though - seeing a person cutting through the carbon reinforced material with no gloves, and presumably, no mask as well. That is extremely ignorant and can be dangerous in the long run. When machining, carbon reinforced material does not turn into powder, but into micro needles which can penetrate skin and tissues in our respiratory system easily. Our bodies don't recognize carbon as foreign dangerous material and don't attempt to shed it.
Thanks for your sacrifice! 😅
My first go round with Chinese carbon I purposely bought a road frame that was a bit beefier as most failures at that time were from the frames attempting to be ultralight climbing frames.
That bike served me well for thousands of miles and is still going strong on its third owner.
I also rode some Chinese road and mtb wheels.
Chinese carbon has come a long way. Now I have a Chinese gravel frame on order. 🎉
A very interesting and informative video. Regardless of the frame quality, I personally would prefer to buy non-Chinese products all together. Simply because we have allowed technology to be transferred to China, just to satisfy our desire for cheaper products. I just don’t want to support their economy but prefer to buy European if possible and secondly non Chinese. It would be interesting to see how a “western” frame stack up.
The big brand companies like Giant, Trek, specialize and others are made in Taiwan so even though they are made by Chinese they are not made in mainland China. Taiwan makes some of the best bike frames in the world. I would trust them over any frame made in mainland China. Mainland China is known to cut corners and go as cheap as they can. Not something I'm willing to risk my life over. There are video's of people trying out the cheap frames made in mainland China. They ended up in the hospital, and their bike snapped by basic stuff where it shouldn't have.
I'm not an expert or anything, but at 10:55 you highlight the fact that there is a big problem with the thickness of the carbon fiber in that area and therefore expert Rob would not endorse that frame for that "defect". But it is also observed that there is a large amount of epoxy which, in my opinion, would reinforce all that part, since it is not hollow and if the carbon fiber were to split, that same epoxy would not allow it to split completely and would remain firm. So if the concern is the millimeter thickness of that "defect", then what can you tell me about the thickness of the carbon fiber rims that support the entire weight of the person and the bicycle?
I hope you can answer this question because as I said at the beginning I am not an expert in this matter and I would appreciate any comments.
I congratulate you for these videos with very important content such as knowing the structure and the demonstrated engineering of these frames in CF for the enjoyment of all of us who are interested in these topics.
You can see a comparison here to another set of forks - ruclips.net/video/YNZS3b3PJ1E/видео.html - The thickness of the fork on the crown race is one of the most important parts of the bike under lots of stress from impact. If it breaks... you are crashing. Rims are a different beast and not really a like for like for like comparison. I have some more carbon content coming soon so stay tuned 👍🏽
Both Hambini and Lukas Euscher (sp?) have demonstrated that Western frame, coming from the same factories, are prone to some of the same problems.
Raoul from Luescher Teknik (Melbourne, Australia)
@@richardggeorge yep, that's the one. Thanks.
Its made the same as specialized and trek and giant
It is not as simple as saying that the white layer is epoxy. The epoxy is everywhere. The white layer could be glass, or a thickened epoxy ( syntactic), to bulk up the laminate.
Interesting and informative. So, it seems... frame good, fork bad.
Why do you do THIS.
Ride it ! 🤩
Regards from Germany. 🙂👍🤓
Who cares what it's made of or how its made as long as it doesn't break.
Yes, I too would like to see 'branded' frames subject to this degree of inspection, but I understand the problem!!
Dude you remind me of Owen Hargreaves. Please tell me the guy dremeling that frame had a mask on and I mean a real good mask. Carbon fiber dust is a very dangerous (very carcinogenic) thing to be breathing in. 9:52 that totally caught me off guard hahaha *Sheldon*
I haven't read the comments, so I'm sure others have mentioned it, but the flex of the fork is a nonissue once the wheel is connected to it. I'm a carpenter, and I deal with wood designs from houses to furniture all the time, and this same principle is seen a lot in many structural designs.
There is nothing to fear from the flex in that fork.
I'm riding a cheap Ican frame, it is simply amazing, a lot of bang for my buck
Just count how many times you use the words "cheap Chinese" together. You can just say Chinese carbon frame. Or cheap frame. The word cheap has a certain negative connotation to imply sub-par quality. It may just be the case that the brand of the bike frame you have is of low quality. But to keep repeating "cheap Chinese carbon frame" sounds like a generalization and reflects your prejudice.
its already tested, most bike manufacturers had it made in china, it's an open secret.
NEWS FLASH: Many frames come from the same molds produced by the factory. Many of these knock-offs are produced during off-factory hours using farmed-out inventory (sketchy). Paint jobs and stickers are the main difference between these cheap commissioned carbon frame jobs; plus, the materials used during this "ghost factory" production process. You get what you pay for: Generally, if the price is cheap, so is the quality.
Thanks for taking the time and associated costs to inform your audience of the quality of lower cost frames.
The thermodynamics of moisture inside the frame without suitable egress is concerning to observe. Couple that with the use of dissimilar ferrous with nonferrous fasteners creating electrolysis and hastening oxidation. Better standards for fasteners and ventilation are in order.
Great point! I guess over time this would have would only have gotten worse. Glad you enjoyed the video 👍🏽
Oh yeah, theses cheap Chinese carbon frame...
Me, looking at an out of reach expensive bike at WallMart: price tag: 600$ Canadian (446$ us).
Also me... just quietly crying.
Me, maximum budget: 75$ (same price of a wireless angle grinder.)
Me smiling in peace now.
I learned more about carbon frame technology from this 2-part series than from any other videos on youtube! Thank you!
Glad the videos have been insightful! 👍🏽
that frame costs 637 euros on aliexpress, you call that cheap? are you mad or something? This must be a sponsored video, you ain't fooling nobody.
>Personally gonna keep buying cheaper frames direct from asia/"manufacturer". After all pretty much all frames are made in china these days so... what's the difference.(/?)
Well... if put 1 and 1 together, after the expert said "not about material, its about the R&D/know what your doing"... It might just be a sample size of one, but this one clearly brings into question if do they really know what they're doing (or enough)* and what is the state of their research/R&D. So yeah for peace of mind/safety, it is actually a good idea to just stick to well established brands with a proven record/blatantly know what they're doing, instead of like this vid has shown potentially risking it with these frames.
*Or... if they actually care about the potential risks/reduced material integrity from the corners(/costs) they cut.
It is proof that you should get a metal frame( steel,aluminium,titanium)full strength and well-being,I weigh 100kg and would not trust a frame made of fabric and glue (carbon fibre)
This is why open hardware frames are better. Yes, they doesn't look pretty (like replicas), but such issues like with that fork joints are not a subject in that case. You can make them less boring with some paint I guess.
I've had this frame since 2020. I ride it as hard as i can and try to break it so it gives me an excuse to buy a new frame. It's still going strong with zero cracks. Seems like they are focusing on the negatives of the frame on the 1st video and this one. It's been working fine for regular people like me that ride their bike everyday. "It's not aero" who cares about that when majority of people riding bikes are not racing. Plus wind blows in different directions. Can you be aero 360 degrees all the time? LOL. It's kinda racist when you say these Chinese people don't know how to design a frame. You don't know their background. You can view it as they designed this frame to minimize cost so they can pass the savings to consumers. This is actually a cool looking frame. Who really is ripping you off, the company who sells you a $500 frame or another who sells a $3000 frame with all the same ingredients but different form? Carbon frames degrade over time, i rather pay less per frame. I also believe there is a law that frames are required to have a strength tolerance in order to sell in western countries.
People praising these frames..wth? Did you even watch the video and listen to the engineer? It’s a sloppily built frame rife with excess epoxy and excessive bladder flashing (that translate to stress risers..a.k.a. Points of likely failure under stress), and the fork is completely unsafe! They just threw a whole bunch of unidirectional carbon arbitrarily into the mold, slathered it in epoxy, and compressed it with the lowest grade bladder possible, then wrapped it in multidirectional weave to make the outside look nice. It’s garbage!
Sorry, but we didn't have this much bullshit when we rode steel bikes. Tange, Columbus, Oria, or Reynolds. Store it in a shed, keep it dry, and forget about it. Yes, I know carbon is lighter and stiffer, but with steel, you didn't have to worry that you would break your neck after dropping your bike.
Maybe if people out there have old carbon frames they are not using or have a frame that got damaged and they don’t use they could send to you for deconstruction.
Agreed, I'm sure I can get my hands on some decent cheap frames somewhere 👀
For this test to have any validity you would have to cut up a number of frames from that production run. Shoddy manufacturing can mean sloppy construction, inconsistent construction, or both - among other factors like poor QC etc.
Except an area on the fork that had too thin carbon on a safety critical area.
All interesting stuff but...... where does all the carbon and resin dust go? Nice gloves but then it went all over clothing which is then carried and deposited elsewhere. Yeah, wash the clothes but where then do the resin particulates go? Resin encrusted resin doesn't decompose so will enter the natural environment unless contained. And putting an angle grinder to a frame on the patio? Great! you've just contaminated your living space. When working with composite materials, I treat any dust as a hazardous contaminant.
Good Video, but please wear cloves and PPE when cutting carbon products with an angle grinder. Carbon dust and splinters are something that you don't want in your skin !
there is a huge epoxy pocket in the seat clamp, with an air void in it. And the horizontal bolt hole appears to go through it (see 9:50) That seems a little sketchy to me, especially considering how much torque seat clamp bolts need to keep the saddle in place.
why don't you stress test the fork with the thin carbon with that white resin? Maybe bang on it or step on it or put weights on it? See if it'll hold? I Think the fork is perfectly fine because the white resin (epoxy resins) can hold 5,000 to 6,000 psi! So I don't see how it's an issue if you see thin wall of carbon with half an inch of resin It's tough vs weak in my opinion.
It's not the case about Chinese quality, but Chinese philosophy! They just don't care about your live!!! As most of the peoples don't care about theirs.
"What is the difference?".. Well, good brands do a lot of testing, create workplaces and pay taxes in countries, where consumers live.
it's pretty crazy that you guys are cutting carbon without any masks or respiratory protection. don't you know that inhaling carbon dust is quite carcinogenic??!!
RUclips video idea - why not subject your car to the same strict criticisms in order to highlight the difference between a cheap car and a Ferrari? Gotta feel sorry for an industry that is so critical of itself - little wonder Soccer is so powerful but very few people adopt cycling as their sport - just saying....
Carbon frames "by every manufacturer" is one of the biggest scams. Bikers buy into wanting these frames. Buy Aluminium guys. Save your money .
Subscribed to make you feel better. 🕯
wow this is great, but my request is can you do this to ELVES FRAME like Falath Or Vanyar to see the real quality.
first video was good, this one not so much. as an expert in this industry, the jam in the sandwich is not correct. what youre seeing there is a off axis unidirectional ply. The white stuff in the fork is not epoxy, its syntactic foam, which is a weight saving tool. Though he was right about the front of the crown race - that looks pretty deadly.
Imagine Chinese or Taiwanese frame builders cutting their frames in half like cut up apples for inspection before purchasing.
The Chinese bikes you need to watch out for and not ride are the cheap ones not maid to spec. There are video's of people getting seriously hurt because they would snap in half over minor stress. Technically all our bikes are made in China. Best to go with the big name brands where the frames must be made to spec with no cut corners. One will put you in the hospital pretty fast while the other will take good punishment over time. Smartest thing to do is go Aluminum and just skip carbon unless its a road bike where you never leave the pavement or do any elevation changes like going over a curb to get to the side of the road or leaving the side of the road to get on the street from a curb. I think road bikes are the only bikes that should be carbon to a degree. I prefer mountain bikes so I'm all aluminum. Safer and last longer.
Chop up a Colnago ya [ok I couldn’t say that] “chicken”.
Off the shelf too, not one they send you. 👍
Great vid
I hate how you edit and how you "design" your videos, it's really infuriating to watch, but the content is informative, so I'm kind of forced to watch
I am skeptical of the "expert". I feel like the white line could be a number of things including glass. He also seems to have bought all the branding that the big companies. This video feels like a cash grab.
I've had more than a fair share of carbon stuff fail. Not all the stuff I've owned has failed because I got ride of it before it failed. But I am 100% convinced that carbon doesn't belong on a bicycle. The bike I have chosen to build is titanium, and the components I've chosen to put on it are made of metals not carbon. I am only stuck with one part left made of carbon and that is the fork. I am searching for someone that can make me a fork design I like, one that looks like the ENVE I have, and I will pay any amount to get it done. I know my bike is heavy and not what I would choose if I was a racer but I don't race. I just want to ride a beautiful bike safely. Your videos exposing the carbon truths are fantastic and I only wish that anyone and everyone considering spending thousands of dollars on a new bike would watch your videos before buying a carbon bike. There is nothing wrong with steel, aluminum, and titanium bikes other than people just think they don't look as cool as carbon. What do they want a bike that is cool and probably won't last 10 years or a bike that is safe and actually worth laying down that hard earned cash. You deserve some type of award for making these videos because they are very educational and well done. 👍👍
the White section is a core, as others have pointed out. The "Jam-in-the-sandwich" are not squished epoxy but unidirectional layers,
Have you tried the savadeck falicon road bikes? I would like to get one but I would like someone to review it first.
Where are "western brand frames" actually made? I thought almost all carbon frames come from Asia. Right?
You should just simply advertise for broken high qualty brand name frames that you could cut apart.
Please cut up a Seraph CF gravel bike frame from TAN TAN…..I have two and happy so far.
Before you go sending your cash to China just remember what they’ve done and continue to do politically.
I make kitchen cabinets, and I can relate how you can want quality for cheaper prices, but in the real world, it doesn't work like that, at least in mine.
As smart as this may seem, to destroy the frame.
You can also slide a tiny camera inside the from and check it all out with out ruining it.
"what's the difference"? QC and won't put up with crap swept under the rug.
Surely you should be wearing a mask while using powdered cutters on that stuff.
China product these days were unlike 20 years back. Infact they are ahead...
Thank you for this awesome video. I am almost sure if you do the same detailed inspection of brand name frames , you find defects in their frame too.
Yeah it would be interesting for sure. Hopefully in the future as the channel grows 👍🏽
Western brands are rip offs. That frame is very good. Little bit of fine tuning and perfect.
I wonder how the Winspace frames look. Got my subscription
You know trifox is no better than Winspace right? Trifox almost like velobuild/copy frame build, no UCI approved unit in Trifox.
Other Chinese brand like ELVES, PARDUS, JAVA, from Indonesia POLYGON and from Taiwan GUSTO already enter international race like LTD? The frame cost 2/3 lower than top frame such Trek, Specialized (Aethos/SL7)
Do you wonder how the top brand frames look in the inside?
@@apair4002 winspace is same price as elves
Very interesting video. Even these "cheap" frames are very impressive. I was thinking why don't they use stainless steel fittings for the bottle mounts?
Good to see some PPE during the cutting (well at least glimpses)
Thanks for the great examination on an import frame. It revealed a ton of great information.