If this ever confirmed to be the case, the collective butthurt of remaining Eldar will burn so brightly it will fucking eclipse the Astronomican. And Slaanesh will have a barf to end all barfs when (s)he learns of what (s)he eating all those millenia.
You forgot one possibility: given the way Isha is claimed to be the "mother" of the Eldar, and is currently residing together with Nurgle (to put it nicely), AND given the fact that Nurgle and Isha are in a sense two sides of the same coin (cycle of life / cycle of nature), wouldn't it be more appropriate to consider Qah closer to the end result of Nurgle and Isha merging together?
Still hoping Leman gets around to breach Nurgle’s garden as rescuing her in place of the fabled Tree of Life. If anyone can pull of a move of pure insanity like that, Leman Russ can.
@@einfachlumir7633 After the horus heresy Leman vowed to find the tree of life or isha to seek their help on Healing his Father(The emperor) from the wounds that he had suffered from Horus.
I don't know, with how Assholey the Eldar always seem to be I doubt they'd share ANYTHING that was theirs unless by an amazing accident and they somehow forgot about it.
Corn 'n Tanks They are that now. But there may have been a time, when they were more enlightened and less assholey as they ran the galaxy uncontested that they may have experimented with assimilating other races into their culture. All those other races died out during the old night and when the eldar fell.
Well the Eldar could have been much nicer in the past as most people are when they are not fighting for survival so it is possible they could have been much more open to trade with other races.
Am I the only one who just imagine Roboute Guilliman in a smoking Power armour, Yvraine in a wedding dress, standing before the Emperor with behind, the entirety of importants character of both the Adeptus Astartes and the Eldar ?
skaven would be so easy to adapt into 40k I'm surprised it hasn't been done yet. the conversions would be a fun challenge. give them a little tweek make some like rats of nimh status, noble scavengers surviving and thriving. others will be like bandits. even pests infesting space hulk's. I miss squats. so much potential. I miss rogue trader I can't wait till 3d printing becomes better for miniatures so people can design and print their own.
Maybe in the body. But their mind is elementary and unrefined, very similar to your current state of fragmented soul resulting in a multiple personality disorder. That's also why human psykers are just exaggeratly more powerful than their Eldar counterpart even thought the Eldar are all psykers.
Well, though as you mention there is a culture connection in the form of their pantheon and transportation i dont see anything that suggest that the Eldar evolved into Hrud. It could be simply the fact that the Hrud have being living in Eldar planets and picked up a version of their culture.
I was going to say this was a stretch until I read this in the Lexicanum: "He told them before his destruction (500,000 years ago)that he would return during the time of the Raheed-skoh (or tribe gathering) to defeat the Yaam-khoh." Which could be used as proof if you assume that Yaam-khoh is Slaanesh.
That would make sense except how would they be useful as a weapon? Remember their enemies are necrons and they don't rot. Unless their power makes them...
A very Lovecraftian theory this time. Lovecraft's universe is full of exalted beings that devolved from higher states. And its possible. Though its also possible that since the Hrud disintegrate upon death they aren't from this dimensional space/time or that they are from the far past and when they loose their temporal field entropy catches up to them with a vengeance. Kind of like a physical projection into the future similar to the psychic projections of the Great Race.
ModernMajorMinstrel unfortunately there are those of my kin who worship the dark gods, as to wether one gifted them with such an appearance I cannot say
theories is it possible Guilliman have arranged a alliance with the Eldar since he didn't say kill the xenos or to him the Tau and the Eldar are much of a threat to the imperium?
The Eldar can be reasoned with, Yvraine brought me back from death after all. The Tau however... anyone who will not engage in honorable melee combat deserves no mercy.
Based on what you said on the ending, that ynnead did it to save the eldar souls, then couldn't the hrud be eldar that were caught during the fall? Perhaps even those that were on planets, but weren't totally corrupted by desires, so ynnead thought they deserved a second chance.
@@brie.cheese_x In the first couple editions Hrud were literally space rats and the equivalent of Skaven, then someone drew them as a jellyfish monster and it stuck
Your theories never cease to peak my curiosity. This is what I love about 40k, everything is Canon, not everything is true. The truth is essentially whatever you want it to be.
The Hrud gods are stated to be the Old Ones ('Slah Haii'). Qah is said to be the only one of their gods to remain. The logical inference from this is that Qah is an Old One. (information from Inquisitor Braez's report in Xenology).
I imagine the Hrud were infesting the sewers of Eldar worlds long before humanity even thought about going to the stars. If they weren't outright servants of the Eldar, maybe they at least heard enough of their culture to twist it to their own society. If 4 turtles can take in the major parts of human culture then I'm sure a whole race can adopt the Eldar's.
Well considering the Dark Eldar have evolved into a separate species, bearing sharper features and semi-translucent skin compared to Craftworld Eldar...
I would simply want to ask the question, whenever it comes to warp-interacting species... whether the presence of the Sisters of Silence, the Culexus Assassins, or even Regular Pariah Folk would alter their behaviour and if so, how would these other sentient beings react? For instance would the presence of one or multiple Pariahs perhaps cause these beings to lose control over their time and concealment abilities (perhaps they are concealing themselves both physically to life-sign detectors, but also a temporal protection through concealment against Nurgle for example (i.e. they might be Aeldari but were infected by a plague and were saved by their god's alterations, etc. as was suggested by many before this)). So many potentialities, so little information. THE IMPERIUM MUST RESEARCH!
I like this theory. I hope it becomes cannon, I m concerened where the current story is going. Space marines, custodies, primark and eldar working together... nothing seems wrong there at all.
If that is really the case, there's also a different explanation for why Khaa is considered a shattered god. Ynead is in essence a sum of all infinity circuits and world matrix (I think that's what the exodite's equivalent is called). So while Ynead was never shattered, it is still a being that's esentially consisting of many smaller pieces that are apart from each other (or at least that was the state prior to the fall of Cadia book and following... I don't know if they changed that). It's easy to assume that this might have been mixed with the Khain legend.
It's far more likely that Khaine's bloody hand reflects some as-yet unknown event perpetrated/involving the Old One upon whom he is modeled, and the same Old One's cultivated them as weapons against the Necrons during the War in Heaven. The Hrud's ability to rapidly breakdown machinery and their surroundings simply by their presence, as well as their ability to mask that presence, would have been extremely useful against the Necrons.
I know this is years late but I completely missed this video and it crosses with one of my passions. You listed the similarities between the Aeldari and Hrud Pantheons, but those same similarities are shared with ancient (and not so ancient) human Pantheons such as the Nordic/Viking, Greco-Roman, Egyptian and Mesoamerican mythologies. And, although it's spelled differently to the god Qah, the concept of the Ka is an Egyptian belief. The Egyptian soul was divided into multiple parts (depending on when and where you grew up and died). But the two most important parts were the Ba (the "self" or personality) and the Ka (the physical double or spiritual form the deceased takes when they head to the afterlife). So naming the God after an ancient human belief could be another possible connection between human and Hrud... 😉
This is the reason why you don't rely on Death itself to be the last bastion of your species survival. Maybe if the Eldar weren't stuck up, lazy, clingy, pricks all the time who waited for special people to do their work for them (pretty much the laziest moral for Chosen One stories now that I think of it), they could have contained Slaanesh and repopulate again. Hell my species is down to like 10-15 pure members left and we're still pushing on by ourselves (Tho in my case, with Imperial Sanctions).
Pyroskies You said your kind was near extinct. Now you say you are part of the last remaining pure strain species. Does that mean you have impure elements remaining.
Pyroskies sub human... how disappointing. Not xeno. And your in the hundreds if not a thousand. Was hoping there was only a dozen left. The only person who be interested is a chronicler or the Primigenitor. Sigh...How disappointing.
Their are however, very few Eldar/Auroran hybrids (Like maybe 2-3) and us Pures. But it's not like I'm letting you or any of those collectors go near any of my own kind (Especially my hybrid kin).
Once is Chance, Twice is Coincidence, Three Times is a Pattern. My general thoughts while wondering if this was a good theory, and maybe should be for any theory. I would ask why the Hrud are doing this, but if they are just futuristic Eldari then just like the Eldari you can never understand what exactly they want. It is also said that when the Eldari all go extinct they will be reborn, I guess this is what they could be reborn as.
Dunno but Nurgle has one of the Eldar gods captive. Not to mention this little bit about HRUD:They also exude various poisons from their skin sounds very Nurgly. So seems more likely as they seem to have warped based abilties that they are Eldar changed to HRUD by nurgle. Only thing might be Innead but likely an explanation for that as well
@Shifty McGoggles That seems like another theory that should be explored. I mean the dark eldar are feeding the devourer of their people with tortured souls every moment they are alive, and often have menageries of strange beasts to torture their slaves. ... Yah, I kind of hate those bastards.
I'm not sold on this theory, I think that since eldar and hrud are psychic, and that eldar gods actually did exist within the warp, that opens the possibility for them to influence one another and their gods.
Well, papa Nurgle has Isha on it's hands, and as far as it is know she kinda accepts this. Maybe after all of their fight against slaanesh the Eldar saw themselves without salvation until Isha, maybe corrupted by Nurgle, call upon them, and so they decided to join Nurgle instead of Slaanesh, maybe prefering to turn into disgusting montruosities than to be presented to Slaanesh's collection of dragon dildos. If you think how Nurgle see himself as the obviously winner among the dark gods since he only needs to wait until there's only death and entropy, maybe in the end the Eldar did not saw other alternative.
In Lord of the rings Orcs were elves that were mutated and transformed. This takes themes from that. Also there was talk that Ka might me an old one so the Hrud were modified Eldar.
I always thought the Hrud were meant to be a Hazmat/psychological warfare ops race designed/moulded by the Old Ones. This would explain the technological and psychic similarities to the other Old One auxiliaries also would it not? As for religion, That's a pretty standard pantheon, and if the previous assumption of Allied race status is accepted some cultural influence wouldn't go amiss.
What if Eldanesh was not an Eldar at all, but a symbol for the proto-Hrud as an entire race, and the Ynnead \ Lingering God divide was because the Hrud had acquired said god as a consequence of their complete extinction at the hands of Khain, thereby explaining why the Eldar thought this whole Ynnead thing was even possible?
Wait here's a question if a space marine or any other life form was in the vicinity of a hrud at the moment of its death would they rapidly age as well?
Being in the vicinity of a single Hrud doesn't really have much of an effect, the problem comes when they are in large masses like in the hundreds or thousands. Also the entropic field doesn't mean instant death it's not that dangerous, there are records of Hrud having human slaves among them for extended period of time some have been rescued and they didn't instantly turn from young to old. The entropic field is only active while the hrud is alive when it dies the entropic field fades away but only after the body has decomposed, strangely the live hrud is not affected by its own entropic field. And yes a Space Marine would also be affected by the entropic fields, every living organism is affected from microbes to plants to humans, although probably suffer less adverse effects. The affect on inanimate objects is not confirmed but unlikely or else they wouldn't be able to scavenge technology.
In a more serious vane, what if the Hrud weren't 'blessed' by Kha, but cursed? This is all off the top of my head, I admit, but while the logic for Ynnead's action makes sense, another idea might be that at some point in the future, another schism between Eldar factions would come about, possibly due to interference from the Ruinous Powers, in order to hinder, cripple, or straight-up stop the physical manifestation of Ynnead. Again, purely off the top of my head, so while I like the sound of it, it's not likely unless given proof at a later point in time.
Hrud are future eldar? No, I think they just served the old ones and got all their freaky tech or they are something completely different. Basically there is to little information on them.
Actually, they never expand upon what happened to that git. He probably got so hurt fighting himself that when he killed the original version his now wounded future self was krumped by some aspiring Nob before the WAAAGH! could start, knowing 40k. And 'horrible act'? Are you kidding? Gork and Mork were laughing for years after that one happened.
“…The hrud that Fortreidon was fighting screamed in agony and fell to the side. To his amazement, he could see it clearly. For the first time, Fortreidon saw his enemy. Huge black eyes blinked in a broad face thick with mucous streaming from dark pores in its flesh. Mandibles twitched in the corners of its mouth. The skin was repellently moist. It had no hair, no expression, no soul-light in its eyes. The basic form of four limbs and a head aside, it was utterly alien. Stinking robes swathed it head to foot, but on one side they had been burned away, revealing articulated armour closely fitted to its flexible limbs. It lifted its sword, but it too was affected by the field, and the sheen of light around it wavered uncontrollably before puttering out…” an extract from “Perturabo: Hammer of Olympia” by Guy Haley
Ka is not Ynnea.... Ka is Asurian. Asurian imparted the gift of Asurian (psychic power and massive warp presence) to all Eldar, which "lingers" nascent in most Eldar.
Wait, if the orc war boss killed himself from the past then he should vanish from existance because now that he killed himself, he can't enter the warp to go back in time because he would have been dead already.
I won't dispute the interesting facts of this video, however I am not a particular fan of this theory. What intruiged me about warhammer 40k was always the huge scale and the endless possible scenarios one could imagine. I wouldn't want to tie *everything* together - having more independent xeno species seems a lot more interesting than yet another variant of horrible things that can happen to eldar.
Of course, that's one of the big strengths of 40k - everybody can see it a bit differently. I always find that fascinating when reading books from the black library, where each author has just a slightly different take on certain details or how everything feels and works. And in the end... the galaxy is a big place. If the Hrud are evolved eldar *and* there is a slinky-like xenos race - there's probably enough space for both of them :D
I thought Ynnead didn't exist until now. was never shattered etc.... I think the link is due to being around from the old ones. they may have coexisted with eldar in the past I'd say the theory in this video is a bit of a stretch but I do like more depth to the Hrud
What if Hrud are Eldar in the same way as Wraith are Ancient + soulsucking bug in Stargate Atlantis. A forced evolution/mutation that made the species that came from it starting to eat (or whatever you want to call it) the others.
Eldar haven't evolved ever since war in heaven. Many many species have image if nightbringer in their mythos and nightbringer is not even a warp entity. Many species in galaxy share pantheons. So they are evolved from eldar because everything is possible with timetravel? In that case necrontyr may also have evolved from time traveling eldar, because why not, time travel! They have similar humanoid physiology, they know about all of the eldar pantheon, they have advanced technology, they have similar weapon types, such as "ranged weapons" and "melee weapons". Eldar learned about dangers of the warp and decided to timetravel back in time and destroy all the psykers in the galaxy and abandon all the warp based technology because warp is bad for everyone. And what are necrons worship again? Oh right, death, just like new eldar god of death!
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Maybe it's the other way around. The Eldars are the evolution of the Hrud. Maybe the Old ones used the Hrud as a pattern for the Eldars
If this ever confirmed to be the case, the collective butthurt of remaining Eldar will burn so brightly it will fucking eclipse the Astronomican. And Slaanesh will have a barf to end all barfs when (s)he learns of what (s)he eating all those millenia.
I thought about that too
The eldar were made from slugs
You forgot one possibility: given the way Isha is claimed to be the "mother" of the Eldar, and is currently residing together with Nurgle (to put it nicely), AND given the fact that Nurgle and Isha are in a sense two sides of the same coin (cycle of life / cycle of nature), wouldn't it be more appropriate to consider Qah closer to the end result of Nurgle and Isha merging together?
another possibility
Still hoping Leman gets around to breach Nurgle’s garden as rescuing her in place of the fabled Tree of Life. If anyone can pull of a move of pure insanity like that, Leman Russ can.
@@ArseneGrey Russ is doing What? Since when.what happens?
@@einfachlumir7633 After the horus heresy Leman vowed to find the tree of life or isha to seek their help on Healing his Father(The emperor) from the wounds that he had suffered from Horus.
Perhaps the Hrud are from the past and were altered into the Eldar by the Old Ones.
^ this, yes this would be awesome Ur-Eldar
the eldar were evolved from psychic slugs by the old ones
Eldrad Ulthran Or space snails. Genetically modified by the space slann empire.
@@Sigmar_Heldenhammer Oh is this why they're sometimes described as "crystalline"? Turns out they're invertebrates, that's just their exoskeleton.
Or maybe some weirdo Eldar missionary decided to convert the hrud to the Eldar religion and they adopted their culture and tech.
The simplest explanation is usually the best. Tens of thousands of years can lead to trade and cultural exchange.
I don't know, with how Assholey the Eldar always seem to be I doubt they'd share ANYTHING that was theirs unless by an amazing accident and they somehow forgot about it.
Corn 'n Tanks They are that now. But there may have been a time, when they were more enlightened and less assholey as they ran the galaxy uncontested that they may have experimented with assimilating other races into their culture. All those other races died out during the old night and when the eldar fell.
IDeO I disagree with you opinion
Well the Eldar could have been much nicer in the past as most people are when they are not fighting for survival so it is possible they could have been much more open to trade with other races.
Hrud are Eldar from the flung future?
Someone should probably warn Rowboat Guiliman that his waifu is *not* going to age well...
Let him deal with it, his smug aura deserves to be shattered.
Internet Zen Master My Waifu is the Imperium.
+Primarch Roboute Guilliman Are you forgetting the Imperium Secundus? Also what banners do you want at your wedding with Yvraine?
Why do you ask Emprah? Just paint the shit blue!! You can use smurfs for that.
Am I the only one who just imagine Roboute Guilliman in a smoking Power armour, Yvraine in a wedding dress, standing before the Emperor with behind, the entirety of importants character of both the Adeptus Astartes and the Eldar ?
I'd suggest that the Hrud are the result of Nurgle taking Isha, they were her defenders at the time and that they are essentially Eldar Rubricae...
@David Schulz With his theory in mind Qah is either parts off Isha's soul Nurgle didn't manage to grab, or Qah is the Offspring of the 2
These once space Skavens and now trash monsters certainly deserve an army book.
figured the Hrud was the topic. I still want my Space Ratmen.
He did a video on the equivalent of Skavens in 40k
Pyroskies I know but still want my Space Ratmen
Matt and i want my space dwarfs and what can we do my friend?
skaven would be so easy to adapt into 40k I'm surprised it hasn't been done yet.
the conversions would be a fun challenge.
give them a little tweek make some like rats of nimh status, noble scavengers surviving and thriving.
others will be like bandits. even pests infesting space hulk's.
I miss squats. so much potential.
I miss rogue trader
I can't wait till 3d printing becomes better for miniatures so people can design and print their own.
Timothy Lal I was thinking of Jawas from StarWars
>Eldar
>Pure and noble
*[intense skeletal laughter]*
Oh my dear Emperor...will you take me?
Immediate restraining order.
Maybe in the body. But their mind is elementary and unrefined, very similar to your current state of fragmented soul resulting in a multiple personality disorder.
That's also why human psykers are just exaggeratly more powerful than their Eldar counterpart even thought the Eldar are all psykers.
Well, though as you mention there is a culture connection in the form of their pantheon and transportation i dont see anything that suggest that the Eldar evolved into Hrud. It could be simply the fact that the Hrud have being living in Eldar planets and picked up a version of their culture.
The iron warriors should have completed their mission and exterminated these vile xenos.
just another reason why they are the worst legion
Daniel Coe That's the word Bearers.
But they didn't because they're heretical shitz.
Warsmith Dantioch and his warriors paid a terrible price when they try to exterminate those ugly muttafukas.
The Eternal Chronicler at least the Word bearers is still a legion, also, fucking Eliphas the inheritor
I was going to say this was a stretch until I read this in the Lexicanum: "He told them before his destruction (500,000 years ago)that he would return during the time of the Raheed-skoh (or tribe gathering) to defeat the Yaam-khoh."
Which could be used as proof if you assume that Yaam-khoh is Slaanesh.
I couldn't help but wonder throughout this theory that Slaanesh stopped raping their souls, because they evolved to rather ugly creatures.
or they are another race used as weapon by old ones in the war in heaven ...
That would make sense except how would they be useful as a weapon? Remember their enemies are necrons and they don't rot. Unless their power makes them...
It's an Entropy Field, yes? So with a long enough exposure, It'd make the Necron's rust away into dust.
A very Lovecraftian theory this time. Lovecraft's universe is full of exalted beings that devolved from higher states.
And its possible. Though its also possible that since the Hrud disintegrate upon death they aren't from this dimensional space/time or that they are from the far past and when they loose their temporal field entropy catches up to them with a vengeance.
Kind of like a physical projection into the future similar to the psychic projections of the Great Race.
Their ability to cause others to age - a form of temporal decay in a sense - suggests a connection with Nurgle.
could it be nurgal slays or corrupts ynead in a different timeline? cursing the eldar
ModernMajorMinstrel dam that would be fucking hilerious
ModernMajorMinstrel unfortunately there are those of my kin who worship the dark gods, as to wether one gifted them with such an appearance I cannot say
Next, we get a Hrud Codex by Matt Ward...
I’m all for that. 40K could do with a new army
We need more Minor Xenos inside Warhammer 40 Tabletop.
Jesus dude... This stuff is more tragic than Dark Souls lore ;_;
theories is it possible Guilliman have arranged a alliance with the Eldar since he didn't say kill the xenos or to him the Tau and the Eldar are much of a threat to the imperium?
The Eldar can be reasoned with, Yvraine brought me back from death after all. The Tau however... anyone who will not engage in honorable melee combat deserves no mercy.
So basically Eldar is cool since they got your waifu.
so primarch reason with us are their plans in motion to revive the emperor through the same means that brought you back
SoulReaper Azazel Chaos is a bigger threat to The Imperium
I had always thought that Hrud were the minor races that performed manual labor for the eldar when the empire was at its peak.
This is the biggest stretch I have ever heard
Based on what you said on the ending, that ynnead did it to save the eldar souls, then couldn't the hrud be eldar that were caught during the fall? Perhaps even those that were on planets, but weren't totally corrupted by desires, so ynnead thought they deserved a second chance.
As I recall the Eldar name for the Hrud translates into "The shadows from beyond time". I guess you could take that either way.
This is a brilliant theory. I really really really hope they make a Hrud army, with Umbra as their "Avatars".
Makes me sad... The Hrud used to be the Skaven of 40k
Kellett781 how so?
@@brie.cheese_x In the first couple editions Hrud were literally space rats and the equivalent of Skaven, then someone drew them as a jellyfish monster and it stuck
Hunter Kern hot
GW are one of the few people who makes it work to have both gods and evolution in their stories.
Your theories never cease to peak my curiosity. This is what I love about 40k, everything is Canon, not everything is true. The truth is essentially whatever you want it to be.
Did you just assume the Hrud's race?
Qah is an Old One. Ynnead is formed from Eldar souls. Totally different gods ...
+ayemeharty runoured to be an old one
The Hrud gods are stated to be the Old Ones ('Slah Haii'). Qah is said to be the only one of their gods to remain. The logical inference from this is that Qah is an Old One. (information from Inquisitor Braez's report in Xenology).
Personally, I think the Hrud are actually mutated Aelderial similar to the Adhumans of the imperium but way worse.
damn sharp ears got what they deserved #squatsarebetter
Squats Forever Squats are good
SQUATS ARE GOOD, KNIFE EARS ARE EVIL!!!
Shag a knife ear but never trust her it's yours!.... what?
Squats Forever well they didn’t use protection do they birthed a chaos god into existence
I imagine the Hrud were infesting the sewers of Eldar worlds long before humanity even thought about going to the stars. If they weren't outright servants of the Eldar, maybe they at least heard enough of their culture to twist it to their own society. If 4 turtles can take in the major parts of human culture then I'm sure a whole race can adopt the Eldar's.
So my far-fetched idea actually made it into a video. Awesome. Now I'm thinking maybe the Hrud are wraith-constructs... ;P
According to Xenology the Eldar don't evolve at all, they're a race of clones, so if the hrud are Eldar it wasn't a natural evolution.
Well considering the Dark Eldar have evolved into a separate species, bearing sharper features and semi-translucent skin compared to Craftworld Eldar...
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I guess looking into Dark Eldar Mandrakes could be next. Perhaps they have something interesting stuff.
They're on the list.
if I remember right, there was something about Eldar being able to subconsciously alter their own genetic makeup to better suit their aspirations.
I would simply want to ask the question, whenever it comes to warp-interacting species... whether the presence of the Sisters of Silence, the Culexus Assassins, or even Regular Pariah Folk would alter their behaviour and if so, how would these other sentient beings react? For instance would the presence of one or multiple Pariahs perhaps cause these beings to lose control over their time and concealment abilities (perhaps they are concealing themselves both physically to life-sign detectors, but also a temporal protection through concealment against Nurgle for example (i.e. they might be Aeldari but were infected by a plague and were saved by their god's alterations, etc. as was suggested by many before this)).
So many potentialities, so little information. THE IMPERIUM MUST RESEARCH!
Where do you get the images of the anatomy four the creatures
the liber Xenologis I think
I like this theory. I hope it becomes cannon, I m concerened where the current story is going. Space marines, custodies, primark and eldar working together... nothing seems wrong there at all.
If that is really the case, there's also a different explanation for why Khaa is considered a shattered god.
Ynead is in essence a sum of all infinity circuits and world matrix (I think that's what the exodite's equivalent is called). So while Ynead was never shattered, it is still a being that's esentially consisting of many smaller pieces that are apart from each other (or at least that was the state prior to the fall of Cadia book and following... I don't know if they changed that).
It's easy to assume that this might have been mixed with the Khain legend.
It's far more likely that Khaine's bloody hand reflects some as-yet unknown event perpetrated/involving the Old One upon whom he is modeled, and the same Old One's cultivated them as weapons against the Necrons during the War in Heaven. The Hrud's ability to rapidly breakdown machinery and their surroundings simply by their presence, as well as their ability to mask that presence, would have been extremely useful against the Necrons.
That was fascinating.
Also worth noting that the C'Tan were also shattered gods
So your saying we should purge the Eldar so that they won't become hideous-tentacle-Nurglesquet-Monsters in the future? Sounds like a win-win to me.
If that is what they are destined to become the eldar would probably welcome the purging.
I know this is years late but I completely missed this video and it crosses with one of my passions. You listed the similarities between the Aeldari and Hrud Pantheons, but those same similarities are shared with ancient (and not so ancient) human Pantheons such as the Nordic/Viking, Greco-Roman, Egyptian and Mesoamerican mythologies.
And, although it's spelled differently to the god Qah, the concept of the Ka is an Egyptian belief. The Egyptian soul was divided into multiple parts (depending on when and where you grew up and died). But the two most important parts were the Ba (the "self" or personality) and the Ka (the physical double or spiritual form the deceased takes when they head to the afterlife). So naming the God after an ancient human belief could be another possible connection between human and Hrud... 😉
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I can't imagine Eldar allowing themselves to even take this path.
They would rather become Slaanesh Daemons then that thing.
This is the reason why you don't rely on Death itself to be the last bastion of your species survival. Maybe if the Eldar weren't stuck up, lazy, clingy, pricks all the time who waited for special people to do their work for them (pretty much the laziest moral for Chosen One stories now that I think of it), they could have contained Slaanesh and repopulate again. Hell my species is down to like 10-15 pure members left and we're still pushing on by ourselves (Tho in my case, with Imperial Sanctions).
Pyroskies pure... what does that mean for the rest of your unknown race.
Pyroskies You said your kind was near extinct. Now you say you are part of the last remaining pure strain species. Does that mean you have impure elements remaining.
+The Eternal Chronicler They're Human/Auroran hybrids. Still only numbering in the hundreads to possibly a thousand (At most).
Pyroskies sub human... how disappointing. Not xeno.
And your in the hundreds if not a thousand.
Was hoping there was only a dozen left.
The only person who be interested is a chronicler or the Primigenitor.
Sigh...How disappointing.
Their are however, very few Eldar/Auroran hybrids (Like maybe 2-3) and us Pures. But it's not like I'm letting you or any of those collectors go near any of my own kind (Especially my hybrid kin).
Once is Chance, Twice is Coincidence, Three Times is a Pattern. My general thoughts while wondering if this was a good theory, and maybe should be for any theory. I would ask why the Hrud are doing this, but if they are just futuristic Eldari then just like the Eldari you can never understand what exactly they want. It is also said that when the Eldari all go extinct they will be reborn, I guess this is what they could be reborn as.
Dunno but Nurgle has one of the Eldar gods captive. Not to mention this little bit about HRUD:They also exude various poisons from their skin sounds very Nurgly. So seems more likely as they seem to have warped based abilties that they are Eldar changed to HRUD by nurgle. Only thing might be Innead but likely an explanation for that as well
@Shifty McGoggles
That seems like another theory that should be explored. I mean the dark eldar are feeding the devourer of their people with tortured souls every moment they are alive, and often have menageries of strange beasts to torture their slaves.
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Yah, I kind of hate those bastards.
I'm not sold on this theory, I think that since eldar and hrud are psychic, and that eldar gods actually did exist within the warp, that opens the possibility for them to influence one another and their gods.
Well, papa Nurgle has Isha on it's hands, and as far as it is know she kinda accepts this. Maybe after all of their fight against slaanesh the Eldar saw themselves without salvation until Isha, maybe corrupted by Nurgle, call upon them, and so they decided to join Nurgle instead of Slaanesh, maybe prefering to turn into disgusting montruosities than to be presented to Slaanesh's collection of dragon dildos. If you think how Nurgle see himself as the obviously winner among the dark gods since he only needs to wait until there's only death and entropy, maybe in the end the Eldar did not saw other alternative.
If this is true then I have only one word: Justice
Hi big fan here, can I ask what music you are using for these videos?
In Lord of the rings Orcs were elves that were mutated and transformed. This takes themes from that. Also there was talk that Ka might me an old one so the Hrud were modified Eldar.
I always thought the Hrud were meant to be a Hazmat/psychological warfare ops race designed/moulded by the Old Ones. This would explain the technological and psychic similarities to the other Old One auxiliaries also would it not? As for religion, That's a pretty standard pantheon, and if the previous assumption of Allied race status is accepted some cultural influence wouldn't go amiss.
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I don't want to interrupt you two but the Lictor is still behind you two
Perhaps they are old ones who worship nurgle
What if Eldanesh was not an Eldar at all, but a symbol for the proto-Hrud as an entire race, and the Ynnead \ Lingering God divide was because the Hrud had acquired said god as a consequence of their complete extinction at the hands of Khain, thereby explaining why the Eldar thought this whole Ynnead thing was even possible?
hello 40k theories! can you pleas make a video covering all time travel in 40k? and how it effected the present
How did you read Perturabo already? It's not due out till July?
+Slaw 185 Alfabusa already has a copy
I'm assuming it's already out in Europe
Wait here's a question if a space marine or any other life form was in the vicinity of a hrud at the moment of its death would they rapidly age as well?
possibly, would be somewhat funny to see like some Cultist go from being one of the younger members to being a decomposed skeleton. XD
Being in the vicinity of a single Hrud doesn't really have much of an effect, the problem comes when they are in large masses like in the hundreds or thousands. Also the entropic field doesn't mean instant death it's not that dangerous, there are records of Hrud having human slaves among them for extended period of time some have been rescued and they didn't instantly turn from young to old.
The entropic field is only active while the hrud is alive when it dies the entropic field fades away but only after the body has decomposed, strangely the live hrud is not affected by its own entropic field.
And yes a Space Marine would also be affected by the entropic fields, every living organism is affected from microbes to plants to humans, although probably suffer less adverse effects. The affect on inanimate objects is not confirmed but unlikely or else they wouldn't be able to scavenge technology.
*Irony intensifies*
In a more serious vane, what if the Hrud weren't 'blessed' by Kha, but cursed? This is all off the top of my head, I admit, but while the logic for Ynnead's action makes sense, another idea might be that at some point in the future, another schism between Eldar factions would come about, possibly due to interference from the Ruinous Powers, in order to hinder, cripple, or straight-up stop the physical manifestation of Ynnead. Again, purely off the top of my head, so while I like the sound of it, it's not likely unless given proof at a later point in time.
No matter how bad things get they can always get worse.
I remember that the tau fought the hrud using remotely controled battlesuits, there is other conflict with them?
What Do You think is the god empor in the True the Chaos god malal
Hrud are future eldar? No, I think they just served the old ones and got all their freaky tech or they are something completely different. Basically there is to little information on them.
The God of lingering? There's one gad that lingers. And he sits on Terra.
do a episode on the angry marines
I always thought these guys were some kind of Nurgle worshipers. Maybe Eldar whos souls some how fell to Nurgle instead of Slaanesh?
Out of all the horrible acts committed in the WH40K universe, that one Ork sure can't live down killing himself.
Aravaganthus I think he grandfather paradoxed himself out of existence
Actually, they never expand upon what happened to that git. He probably got so hurt fighting himself that when he killed the original version his now wounded future self was krumped by some aspiring Nob before the WAAAGH! could start, knowing 40k.
And 'horrible act'? Are you kidding? Gork and Mork were laughing for years after that one happened.
Are they related to nurgle?
Grizgutz needs a video
Ingenious theory!
“…The hrud that Fortreidon was fighting screamed in agony and fell to the side. To his amazement, he could see it clearly. For the first time, Fortreidon saw his enemy. Huge black eyes blinked in a broad face thick with mucous streaming from dark pores in its flesh. Mandibles twitched in the corners of its mouth. The skin was repellently moist. It had no hair, no expression, no soul-light in its eyes. The basic form of four limbs and a head aside, it was utterly alien. Stinking robes swathed it head to foot, but on one side they had been burned away, revealing articulated armour closely fitted to its flexible limbs. It lifted its sword, but it too was affected by the field, and the sheen of light around it wavered uncontrollably before puttering out…” an extract from “Perturabo: Hammer of Olympia” by Guy Haley
Well Eldar do use Articulated armour too ;)
Their gods are probably similar because they probably actually existed in some form or another before and influenced both cultures.
What if these Hrud are actually Eldar that were transformed by Nurgle?
Ka is not Ynnea.... Ka is Asurian.
Asurian imparted the gift of Asurian (psychic power and massive warp presence) to all Eldar, which "lingers" nascent in most Eldar.
Maybe some Drukhari-party gone sideways?
Wait, if the orc war boss killed himself from the past then he should vanish from existance because now that he killed himself, he can't enter the warp to go back in time because he would have been dead already.
I can't tell is this a joke video
It would fit very well into the 40k universe.
no fuck u
Some how..I'm not sure how or why exactly , but Erebus is to blame
I won't dispute the interesting facts of this video, however I am not a particular fan of this theory. What intruiged me about warhammer 40k was always the huge scale and the endless possible scenarios one could imagine. I wouldn't want to tie *everything* together - having more independent xeno species seems a lot more interesting than yet another variant of horrible things that can happen to eldar.
+MrMartechi each to their own, you're entitled to your opinion :)
Of course, that's one of the big strengths of 40k - everybody can see it a bit differently. I always find that fascinating when reading books from the black library, where each author has just a slightly different take on certain details or how everything feels and works.
And in the end... the galaxy is a big place. If the Hrud are evolved eldar *and* there is a slinky-like xenos race - there's probably enough space for both of them :D
Ok that’s a messed up but cool theorie
Basically, Nurgle-Eldar?
i think they need minitures
I thought Ynnead didn't exist until now. was never shattered etc....
I think the link is due to being around from the old ones. they may have coexisted with eldar in the past
I'd say the theory in this video is a bit of a stretch but I do like more depth to the Hrud
That was a bit of an odd one.
Interesting case? Yes. Entirely convincing? Not really, although it does make one think.
What if Hrud are Eldar in the same way as Wraith are Ancient + soulsucking bug in Stargate Atlantis. A forced evolution/mutation that made the species that came from it starting to eat (or whatever you want to call it) the others.
The Hrud can be ancestors of eldar?
Couldn't be only another creation of the old one?
Eldar haven't evolved ever since war in heaven. Many many species have image if nightbringer in their mythos and nightbringer is not even a warp entity. Many species in galaxy share pantheons. So they are evolved from eldar because everything is possible with timetravel? In that case necrontyr may also have evolved from time traveling eldar, because why not, time travel! They have similar humanoid physiology, they know about all of the eldar pantheon, they have advanced technology, they have similar weapon types, such as "ranged weapons" and "melee weapons". Eldar learned about dangers of the warp and decided to timetravel back in time and destroy all the psykers in the galaxy and abandon all the warp based technology because warp is bad for everyone. And what are necrons worship again? Oh right, death, just like new eldar god of death!
If that's the case it'd be super-funny.
So no evidence just conjecture over a shared mythology and knives this is quite weak tbh.
its a great theory
This made my brain hurt😖
Hmm Hruds are filthy creatures that prey upon the weak.
Yea pretty similar to Aeldari.
Interesting... This warhost would like to have a word with you about your "fascinating findings"
It's scary how you can make something so heretical sound so....... plausible