Pandemic Legacy: Season 0 Review - A Phenomenal Finale
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- Опубликовано: 13 авг 2020
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What about pandemic pandemic? Where you have to race around the world stopping players from playing pandemic variants?
That will truly be the height of board gaming.
You're a group of indie board game developers that just release their debut game that took you 50 years to make. But unfortunately, you release it on the same day the new pandemic variant came out and everybody is playing it.
Your job is go to different conventions and board game shop around the world treating pandemic game fever, establish your own board game convention, and promote your game in 5 conventions of the same color/region to put your board game as GOTY in that region.
Cant wait for the inevitable "Pandemic: 2020" coming out in 50 years
“Coming out in 50 years” can totally mean next month in 2020.
Opens rulebook: "The game starts in fabled 'America,' a country that had been overtaken by the more subtle outbreak known as ignorance."
@@parkerlindenberg5574 "Struggle against not only the disease but local governments in the Mask Off expansion!"
Choose your character’s stats and race
And then watch enraptured as you automatically loose if you’re not a rich white guy
@@redgreen2453 Hasn't that always been true regardless tho?
"Fractal Carmen San Diego" is the name of my Tool cover band
"[Soviet Spies] don't reproduce like a fractal Carmen Sandiego." Oh man, that got me good.
Meee tooo. :) I had to pause to giggle for a while before I started it back up.
I played the Dispatcher in Season 1, and my friends and I joked that I was "the guy in the chair" and I got so very attached to my character (whom I named Jason). He ended up dying in a very dramatic fashion, and I was more upset by this than by the death of some of my D&D characters. That emotion was something that made Season 1 so amazing for me. I actually got a little frame and framed my character card and its on my board game shelf.
After the first twist in Season one i decided that this problem needed a military solution and fast. So as soon as the colonel became available I grabbed him told my partner "I got this" and almost killed him in one game.
*Spoilers* in my head I even named it the battle of Instanbul because after a catastrophic attempt of trying to save the City I got my second scar and decided to just forefit the game. Thats why the Quarantine specialist was the only military character we ever used.
*Big spoilers*, but my Dispatcher, Imada Hitoshi, was one of our favorite characters in the group, absolute MVP. We gave him Veteran and Paramilitary Escort so he could go hoovering up [redacted], but of course that made it so when the time came for the big twist, he and his brother-in-law Nate Beardsley (our soldier) were searching through a falling Algiers for the paranoid soldier, and of course Hitoshi was revealed to be [redacted]. We burned his card with sorrow and rage.
THIS!!!! This is how we played it. As our characters grew, we got more attached to them and when Pvt. Barney Stinson turned traitor.... It left us gob and shattered.
I'm waiting for the inevitable "Munchkin Pandemic".
Or "Pandemic: Munchkin" you play as the Monsters, trying to stop the invasion of Munchkins.
You should have a super like per month on RUclips or sth. Bcs I def want to give this more than one upvote!
Is there a Fluxx Pandemic yet?
No thanks. But I might be down for Munchkin Legacy.
@@OriginalPiMan Hmmmm. You're giving me ideas.... It'd be interesting to have two "Warriors" with different "Feats" that give them slightly different secondary abilities. Or "Enchantments" that improve weapons.
"You've been to University and I love it" - low key excellent stuff.
It's funny because it's true.
@@deiseach02 but its not. even viruses are not all virulent. the hadza have been practicing a relatively consistent lifestyle for thousands of years, but it is being increasingly threatened. it seems to me, its certain implementations of ideas/cultures which can be the human equivalent of virulent
@@gordo6908 What does Virulent mean?
"No seriously I won't play Pandemic again."
"Alright, fine. How about The Captain Is Dead?"
"Sure, whatever; anything that isn't Pandemic."
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Other comments: Talking about the politics of the game.
Me: Staring at the Crokinole board whenever possible.
It's on its side. Gah!
Why do I never get bored of Quinns's "thousands of people are dead!" voice?
"Season 0 is a Cold War depicted without politics"
Looking at this game that interprets communism as a virus spreading across the world that you must control, I'm not sure about that one, Quinns.
Communism kinda is a virus, one thats killed over 100 million people.
@@stetsonpowers5010 if by communism you actually mean authoritarianism, sure
@@stetsonpowers5010 Well, I'm sure capitalism killed more people.
@@stetsonpowers5010 Unfortunately, Capitalism has killed over 10 Billion. More than 100 Million in India alone.
@@stetsonpowers5010 that number was actually massively inflated by a dipshit boomer whose book has been discredited by everyone else who worked on it. Like that number was Actually Made Up ©
...the number is actually closer to 10 million deaths iirc but at that point the author was conflating deaths by natural causes such as age or disease as murder by the state. In fact the actual big killer was when the Soviets messed up their planning and accidentally caused a famine when they brought the feudal era serfdoms of rural Russia into the industrial era with record breaking speeds. But also some simp farmers burnt their own crops in loyalty to the Russian aristocracy haha lol.
Hey we live in the modern age, where famines don't happen anymore because our farms are fully industrialised... Unless you live in a third world country that was ravaged by colonialism centuries ago. In fact the 100 million death quota is easily reached by capitalism every 4 years through deaths caused by starvation, exposure or easily preventable diseases, most of which are children. That must be that capitalist efficiency I hear so much about because I certainly don't see it anywhere else!
So yeah the communist development of bringing underdeveloped nations into the industrial era in under 10 doesn't sound too bad tbh but oh no people might die of old age. I'm sure capitalism will bring these countries to the first world any day now, even though it won't make any money to do so and also it's where the savage browns and blacks live [imagine that I pulled up a quote by Winston Churchill justifying the famines he caused in India because he felt like it]
Heck even in first world countries if you're poor or homeless or live in a food desert you can suffer from malnutrition as a result of a distribution system that throws out half of all produce before it's sold because it technically makes more money that way. But you see if we started giving away food for free or selling it for lower prices it'll disrupt the market, and the economy will go bad and then Coles© won't be able to make a profit and pay their employees. You see we've got to throw out half our food... So that people can afford food... 🤔
Capitalism not only is so bad it causes needless death and suffering it's also dumb as hell. Also my phone autocorrected first to dairy what the hell
Im here waiting for the Prophecy of Kings review... I can't wait for that!
Pandemic legacy. Inside the box is a mirror and a small card that says: 'good luck in 2020!'
0:47 no idea that existed, as a Dutchman I am pleasantly surprised
Co-designed by a Dutch guy, just to make it even more appealing!
It's incredibly fun!
Stay strong. Keep up the fight. Don't let the bastard splash you down.
Quinn's metaphors are one of my favorite things in life.
Quinn's metaphors are like a roulette wheel full of fortune cookies!
"Fractal Carmen Sandiego"
Every time SU&SD reviews a Legacy game, I always wish I had a steady board gaming group to play one with. The only Legacy I ever played was a single round of Risk Legacy. They're such a cool idea.
Oh... Quins... I love you, guys, but, please research force disappearings in South American countries with CIA sponsored dictatorships during the Cold War. You mention vans slurping up people _suspected_ of being spies, and for people in my country that was green Ford Falcons that spirited away students to be tortured, raped, and murdered. I appreciate how you guys talk about these things such as in the Conan and Istanbul reviews. Anyway, cheers!
*forced disappearings
I feel like the US and UK have a weird detached view of the evil shit that everybody did during the Cold War. It's still treated like a cartoon in tone in most media.
Also, they were too easy on Conan, if anything.
"Soviet Spies do not reproduce by fractal replication" But what about domino theory
I love it how you guys succeed in maintaining a witty attitude in a time when the topic of the game could be considered too serious, if not downright controversial.
Keep up the good work, guys.
What a rollercoaster. This game releases in the middle of an actual global pandemic, but luckily it's not about disease. Unluckily, the new theme of government agents spriting away people in vans also became grimly relevant.
The psi-ops aspect of Season 0 is pretty gross, from the look of it.
This is the sort of box I will buy and put my shelf just so I have the feeling of knowing it's there as an option. Modern board gaming does kind of make you get in the habit of lining up a trail of boxed opportunities for your group. Is that bad? I don't think so, it makes me feel great knowing I have boxed fun times on my shelves.
I feel exactly the same. Gamers are full of Fear of Missing Out too...
Totally agree. My season 1 box is still sat unused upon my shelf.
Pandemic but it's your board game collection.
"Just because they keep making doesn't mean you have to keep buying it."
S-SACRILEGE!!
One of my favorite videos you guys have done. So thoughtful it was really great.
We just recieved this game as a gift and cannot wait starting to play. Only one fear about the theme: my wife is borned in an ex-sovietic country and asked me if it was possible to play as Soviets XD. I don't think it's possible but I hope the game is not too black and white (aka blue and red) aka the goods VS the baddies...
"I hope the game is not too black and white (aka blue and red) aka the goods VS the baddies..."
In the end, were your hopes justified?
Waiting for this review for a long time!!!
thanks quinns i AM a person of impeccable style and grace
Your reviews are so clarifying... I'm from Brazil and I wish I could recommend your videos to my friends.
Super creepy timing, I just introduced pandemic to a few of my friends yesterday.
The board game, of course, not the other one.
You never know
Well they talked about it on the podcast over a week ago
Considering the incubation time, can you get back to us on that last bit in a week or two?
@@egregius9314 I certainly can, but it might save some time to reveal that it wasn't played in person.
I really wish I could afford to support you with money. Your videos always put a smile on my face and I get unreasonably excited when I see a new vid.
Keep it up guys! Your faaaaantastic.
We loved Season 0 and the whole Pandemic Legacy series. I think it's because we didn't really get into Pandemic until Legacy 1 was released, and with the exception of the 1st expansion, never played any of the other variants. So when we tired of Pandemic we had to wait for another legacy to be released. Each one seemed new and fresh and oddly, for us, we prefer them in reverse order. We think 0 is the best balance of tried and true + bold and new, 2 was really experimental (and oddly gorgeous) and 1 was what first got us hooked. Each of them felt unique, and never felt to us like we were just doing the same thing over and over again.
It's nice to come across someone else who prefers 2 > 1> 0. We played them in reverse order too (because season 2 was the only one available when we wanted to try out a legacy game) and it was so much more open and immersive to us than the others. We developed a narrative as we played through and got really invested in that story and the characters in it. 1 felt more like base Pandemic but had significant consequences when things went sideways. 0 was of a less interesting theme for us and the consequences also seemed lower. In the end it was a slog to finish and I was relieved that it was done.
I have watched/liked a ton of videos, subscribed, etc. I heard the fundraising call, and least I could do was give back as I'm able. But imagine my devastation when I found out there was no swag shop! Where is my very own reference pear? Or reference pear hoodie/sticker/journal? Why can I not sip my own cup of tea from my reference pear mug while watching you sip tea in your vids? I need to be able to buy a onesie to label all of my friends' babies as brand new reference pears! I get a cool something, you get a few pounds to keep the fun going, and when my friends and family ask, "what the crokinole is a reference pear," I have an excuse to spread the word about your dope channel! Get on that, fellas!
Pandemic Iberia has nothing to do with the Spanish Flu.
It’s set in Spain in 1848 and focused on malaria, typhus, yellow fever, and cholera.
in other words it has as much to do with the Spanish Flu as the Spanish Flu did with the Spanish.
But it's a meta-reference.
@@Vaderi300 but if they had called it the American flu America would have had a sad.
It's not 100% definitive where it came from.
Is Quinns trying to get us to donate so he can buy some sunglasses? I think I’d donate for that: his pain in the sun was palpable!
Quinn's you're fantastic. All of the SU&SD team are fantastic but hats off to you for an excellent video!
Quinns is so incredibly talented at what he does.
Somehow, it feels thematically fitting that there's a tide of pandemic games which grows and spreads inexorably, outside our control.
I wasn't the most interested with this whole cold war theme, but your enthusiasm is...
Contagious 😏
Im sorry
Already pre-ordered and can't wait to dive into it. Take my money and let me enjoy a great season again.
"Without politics" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH yeah sure mate
Have played Pandemic over 100 times, still love Pandemic. Haven't played any coop games better than Pandemic.
YOU NUKED PARIS IN SEASON 1 TOO!? That’s awesome!
"This pandemic is great! where can I get another one?"
2021: "Say no more!"
Love the sound of the seagulls in the background of the fund raising appeal... classic sounds of Brighton.
Got this preordered a month ago. So hyped up! the previous seasons were great :)
Pandemic Iberia is in the mid 19th century, 50+ years before the 1918 flu pandemic (which also didn’t actually originate in Spain).
It’s still a quite nice (and pretty!) variant of the original pandemic with new restrictions: no cures (because antibiotics weren’t discovered yet), no eradication, no insta-travel by planes. But also new tools like regional water pumps that prevent disease cubes, travel by boat and building railroads like Ticket to Ride. I actually got it cheaper than OG Pandemic and recommend it if you like the vintage theme.
Yeah, when he said "Spanish flu" I thought "wait ... isn't that one about cholera or something ...?" lol
the amount of times the word pandemic was said in this video had my brain go haywire with instinctive discomfort
I work at a relatively small local board game store
We had about 80 special orders in a week of its reveal…
No SU&SD seal!! Uuuh, thats tough. Great review!!!
Ah, Pandemic. That game I kept meaning to pick up, but no one wanted to play it with me. Now everyone reeeally doesn't want to play it with me.
Always Love these videos!!
That intro was gold.
"What I want is less Pandemic." There's a Pandemic for that too. Probably.
I should finish watching before assuming I have something witty to offer.
There's a Gloomhaven for that
I know it would take a long long time, but I like the idea of playing from legacy 0 - 2
wow, sure is with a heavy foreboding cloud that looms over the head of one who plays such a game.
If only there was a more, cozy, comfy and warm game that helps the mind for a time forget such trou Everdell.
You should play Everdell. Is what I'm trying to say. It's beautiful, manages to avoid negative player interactions in a way I would be interested to hear your guys opinion on.
4:30 I can’t tell if they misspelled mystery on purpose.
Almost certainly. It's also possible they misspelled it by accident, then noticed but decided to keep it for laffs.
Yes.
I just assumed I didn’t get the joke.
This is some of the best CGI I've ever seen
I just wish they had a Norma version of this pandemic. Where it’s not a legacy game, but still involves the spy aspect, etc
Yes, I want more. Can't wait for Season 0.
I was under the impression that season 0 is coming out in 2021. Nice to see I was wrong.
Matt's reviewing Gloomhaven Jaws of the Lion? That's all I heard from this review
One of my personal favorite games that i'd love to see reviewed is called rival restaurants
I haven't played any pandemic games, period, but I really want to. I'm also limited by people and money, so I am taking my time and have been lining up the shot on either 1 or 0 for a while now. I'm torn between my urge to play these in order and my love of spy thriller nonsense, but I think I'll go for Season 1 first, despite how curvaceous and flirty Season 0 is. Thanks SU&SD!
Season 1 is phenomenal. You won't be disappointed!
Jonathan Charlton I’ve been doing my due diligence and avoiding spoilers like the... well you know.
The first 2 minutes are gold!
Damn wanna play this so bad.. gonna be my main wishlist of boardgame to grab.
Totally love the Zune tat, Quinns.
AHHHHHH! I'VE MISSED THISSSSSSSSSSS!
There was a fire in my building. Everyone's O.K., but I haven't been able to get into my Google account. Now I have. And it's wonderful!
By the way, are legacy games good canidates for play on networked tablets?
Oh look, Wil Wheaton on Fury of Dracula.
SUSD - Theres a pandemic for that!
Wait...is this game already released?? I can't find a copy that's for sale ANYWHERE
What's on your right elbow? Oh, two squares.
It's a netrunner icon.
@@DaBoweh aah he does really like that game.
Pandemic is a good game, and Season 1 was a great gaming experience, but Season 2 blew it out of the water mechanically.
Yeah, we preferred 2 to 1, and weren't as down on it as we felt it was more interesting, open ended, and we didn't exhaust our enthusiasm for Pandemic on all the expansion games and one offs.
I've heard a lot of good things from pandemic s1, but always wondered if it's possible to play once you've finished the first campaign
If I remember correctly from my playthrough, you can. But, it will be a crazy board with several new rules that you will have to explain to folks.
Mate, did you use an October objective to show off objectives?
I always wonders. If you finish the campain of one of the Pandamic Legacy games, can you still play the game? Or is it done and you can throw it away?
After playing Season 1mostly over Slack in the last 4 months, I may now need to have a discussion with the same group if they're interested in going back for more.
Genuine and hopefully non-judgemental question - how did you guys manage (assuming you did) to play this socially-distanced and presumably indoors? I'm keen to get my board-game group together, but it seems really logistically challenging?
On the podcast he mentioned he played it with his wife, which has been what I’ve been doing myself. It is quite hard to get a solid group together though, so I feel for you!
John Glass Thanks John, that’s good to know and actually a bit of a relief that there isn’t a ready-made option for group play! We’re hoping to play some Skull in a park today, our first group get -together since early March! Take care of yourself.
Playing as the CIA seems pretty horrible, as the other games had me playing as the good guys.
as someone living in a country thoroughly fucked by the cia all through the 60s, 70s and 80s. it is kinda weird and creepy, at the same time the gameplay looks really cool
Would you feel better playing as the KGB? Or, say, imperial Britain in any of dozens of popular board games where they subjugate native populations? Just pointing out that there are a lot of games where you are only the "good guys" from one perspective.
Dan Hull or you can just accept that this is an uncomfortable situation for some of us. None of is us saying it should not exist, nor we have the power to stop it from being made. Doesn’t mean playing as the institution that was directly responsible for the murders of our families and the removal of our democratically elected leaders, often to save American corporations a few cents doesn’t makes us uncomfortable.
ya life for every one would have been easier if the USA stayed neutral in WW1
Stetson powers wrong conflict by multiple decades.
Have you played “This war of mine”? Seems like it pushes a lot of the grim buttons you talked about.
Are you guys ever going to review Forbidden Island/Desert/Sky? I love how Forbidden Island streamlines the Pandemic gameplay.
It's got to be better than the Augmented Reality version of Pandemic Legacy they released earlier this year.
Hello, I don't want to watch this video yet in case of spoilers, but I do have a question:
Should we play the games in numerical order (0, 1, then 2), or in publication order (1, 2, then 0)? Thanks!
It looks like you can play 0 or 1 first, I think 2 has some mild spoilers for 1.
If you're certain you want to play all three, probably play 1 first or it'll be a letdown after 0 raises your expectations with stuff meant to impress people who'd already played 1.
Lovely review keep it up
Interesting that you get to play as the bad guys in the latest game huh?
Read Gulag Archipelago and get back to us on that.
@@stumbling Read Conquest of Bread and get back to us on that.
@@stumbling bro you aren't just fighting the Soviets in russia, you're fighting "them" across the world. Considering the history of the CIA where they overthrew homegrown socialist movements (very often capitalist democracies as well!) and replaced them with brutal tyrannical dictatorships that destroyed the freedom and economic dependence of these countries even today. Just look at what they did to Latin America with the paramilitary death squads.
Anyways Russia did end poorly but that's because it was a resource starved nation that was up against giant capitalist superpowers that desperately DO NOT WANT alternatives to capitalism to succeed.
So Russia started off decently. They overthrew the garbage aristocracy that enforced a garbage class divide so bad that most parts of the country were still in feudal era serfdoms, then developed the country so quickly it'll go down in history as the second fastest rise to industrialisation, second only to China iirc. (Wow I wonder if 3rd world countries could use some of that communist growth nah let's just wait for capitalism to do it for them any day now)
Anyways they nailed the landing now they had to pull through the follow up which involved them collaborating with other socialist economies, which in this case was Rosa Luxemburg's socialist party in Germany. Well they got killed when they were sold out by the German socdems who wanted a fun mixed economy (womp womp) and so the communist party were fuuuuuucked as they were alone in the world against capitalist megapowers. So they instead doubled down in a centrally planned government and sabotaged anarchist based organisations which turned out to be a REALLY BAD IDEA since Stalin killed pretty much all of Lenin's successors in a coup which made Russia kind of garbage.
Kind of. What made the communist nation good was guaranteed food, housing and medicine and guaranteed employment too, even if the job was nonsense they'd give you something to do. What made it garbage was just stuff analogue to a capitalist country. You couldn't criticise the government in the same way you can't criticise conservative values. There is a favoured upper class of the centrally planned communist party much like there is the upper class in capitalism. Your free speech is limited with threats of state violence and arrest, which well, look at America or Hong Kong or France or basically anywhere else in the world.
In fact what made Stalin's regime and the latter half of the Soviets so bad is that they began to dissolve their communist pricipals in favour of capitalism. So yes we haven't had "true communism" in the sense that we never had the opportunity in the first place. If the socdems never sold out the socialist party in Germany... Or the CIA lead coups against socialist uprisings across the globe and installed brutal military dictatorships we might be looking at a very different world. A world which doesn't favour profits over human life and is thus better prepared to deal with a pandemic.
Which is a little too on the nose given today's events and why a prequel to a series of games where a pandemic ravages a world based on ours so badly it causes a post apocalypse in the sequel and where the prequel involves you defeating "the Soviets" across the globe which inevitably results in the timeline of the first game... is kind of a sore spot for alot of people atm.
@@DragoonBoom it’s not wanting alternatives to succeed, you’ve been brainwashed, it’s preventing the world from falling under a brutal dictatorship from over taking the world, aka the USSR.
@@DragoonBoommucho texto commie
Hehe. The comment about number of plays of pandemic made me chuckle since I have played over 70 games of Nations and still want to play it more, 😅👌
I love board games with my family but am currently living in South Korea teaching, maybe have to break my pandemic virginity when I get back, thinking of the Barbarian one with Rome as am a history buff, thoughts?
Everyone agreed to have the klaxxon installed. Trust the klaxxon.
"I wanna play Chess in Ohio!"
"There's a Pandemic for that!"
Mystrey indeed, Mystrey indeed. (But I suppose there's a Pandemic for that)
“Ramen restaurant outside”
and of course there’s a Pandemic for that
Pandemic without pandemic? There is a pandemic for that
If soldier tf2 were real this would be his favorite game
Wow, I had no idea there were so many spinoffs!
"I am not a number, I'm a free man!"
i wish they'd make these digital on steam, i'd love to do it online with the homies
Have you checked out Tabletop Simulator on Steam? There's quite a few in the Workshop to play on there :)
@@kissmywhip yes and it's a pain for games like this lol
I have base pandemic and played season 1 5 years ago. I’m excited to play season 0 as a fun solo “ADVENTURE!” I tired of playing solo detective and escape room games. For the price and mental prep of GloomHaven or other similar games I would rather play a video game RPG.
Love the comment, “There is no know cure to communism”
Tommy Clay
Kinda sounds like something Liberty Prime would say.
Can't fix what ain't broke
Liam Nichols
“Communist detected on American soil. Lethal force engaged.”
I wish I could find some people to play an in depth game like these pandemic games. 12-24 sessions of 90 mins each would be fun. This one may be even better since the spy aspect like James Bond lol
Cthulhu Pandemic is SO RIDICULOUSLY FUN
Can you recruit George Orwell to rat out other communists like he did in real life?
Two questions if you can answer.
1. Can it be soloed? Any hidden information at any point?
2. Can it be played post campaign?
Question 2 is a really important one for me as well. I played out season 1 then removed all the stickers to have a base pandemic game (yeah, with minor board changes)
Such an expensive "hobby" to watch these videos... well, what can you do? I guess I gotta buy this Pandemic as the previous ones were so enjoyable!