Is building a 4.6 4v BETTER over a COYOTE swap?? My personal reaons why I kept my COBRA engine 👏🏻

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  • @christenn32
    @christenn32 10 месяцев назад +15

    The 4.6 4v has always been a great engine. It's biggest limiting factor back then was the limited technology in the control pack to control the engine. Now that's no longer an issue, these things can spin faster and make a ton of power.

  • @relaxnewmexico7619
    @relaxnewmexico7619 Год назад +13

    Let's thank the Teksid block for the Coyote.

  • @relaxnewmexico7619
    @relaxnewmexico7619 Год назад +7

    I've owned several Mark 8's to feed my hunger for that sound. And a few Mark vii's for that 5.0 rumble. A rev happy manual shift build on an old school Ranchero for a goal.

    • @rizzo538
      @rizzo538 Год назад +4

      Yea i own a 94 mark and (with bias, of course) its probably my favorite sounding engine ever. I have my 2 front cats with x pipe into straight pipes and its amazing

    • @brianb.760
      @brianb.760 2 месяца назад

      Did you mod anything on the mark? I just picked up a 97 and not finding much support

  • @midnight347
    @midnight347 Год назад +10

    I understand exactly what you mean. This applies to all cobras, machs, marauders, gt500s etc that came with a badass 4v that is very capable because the money it takes to do a 5.0 swap could build a nasty 4v. Once they are built they can hold as much/more than a built sleeved coyote, ecsp the teksid cars. All of them can do over 1000 wheel reliably with forged internals. It would take a built coyote to equal this capability.

    • @hughlamarbennett4179
      @hughlamarbennett4179 Месяц назад

      Built means forged internals……. Anything with forged internals is going to be reliable at 1000.

  • @GrandPitoVic
    @GrandPitoVic Год назад +9

    I've seen 4.6s make some really good power. She sounds great!!!!

  • @robertsine8812
    @robertsine8812 3 месяца назад +3

    Thank you. It’s the damn sound note that gets me. Incredible,

  • @NewEdgeDesigns
    @NewEdgeDesigns Год назад +6

    There are several crown Vic 4.6’s with over 1 mil miles on them also..

  • @williammiller8531
    @williammiller8531 3 месяца назад +4

    The best reason to keep the 4.6 32V motor is because it sounds 10x better than the coyote engine.

  • @ThatOneGuySometime
    @ThatOneGuySometime Год назад +5

    Honestly, kinda stuck between possibly going 4V 5.4 intech and doing a 5.0/10-speed swap on my Vic. If I go 5.4 intech, I’ll just have my trans built, but the 5.0/10speed combo sounds like a sweet deal on a cruiser like my CVPI.

    • @midnight347
      @midnight347 4 месяца назад

      Don't do the 5.0 10 speed it's so overdone to the point people act like if it isn't a coyote or 10 speed it can't be fast. Show people just how wrong that way of thinking is. With a built 5.4 4v you're gonna have mad torque and you won't need the insane gearing the 10 speed has. Coyote have less torque by comparison so they make their power with rpm thus the 10 speed helps alot. They also can't take power very good without being built once you get to 700 or 800 they start having issues. Do a built 5.4 and built 4r that's your best bet. If it were me I'd t56 magnum swap it but if you want auto the 4r would work well with a 5.4. 6r is also a great trans.

  • @350R19
    @350R19 27 дней назад +1

    Cool car!! 💪

  • @midnight347
    @midnight347 4 месяца назад +1

    I give you props for being a young guy and not following the crowd like most do. Its cool that you see value in these older engines. Most people coyote swap because they just wanna keep up with the internet jones' so to speak. I have nothing against a coyote theyre clearly awesome it is more the coyote or nothing fanboys that bug me. They dont wanna give these older engines a fair shake. Theyre like the coyote can do it with less modding no shit its alot newer and alot more expensive. Nobody's gonna think a 90s 4v is bettee than a coyote stock for stock. But if you already have a 4v the money you spend on a coyote could build one badass 4v. Im thinking of doing a 5.3 stroker one with 12:1 compression and cams, ported b heads and a ported short runner stock manifold for that sleeper look. Nobody is gonna is gonna expect that to be well over 400 rwhp on e85 just looking at the engine even with a tuned factory ecu only reving to like 7200. The 5.3 allows me to make the power at a lower rpm this not needing to spin as fast thus not needing a stand alone to make it more budget friendly. It will also allow more torque. You could always throw a turbo on it later if i really wanna get down i have a 750 rwhp 07 gt500 i dont necessarily need another big power boosted car i want an na handling oriented build. I seen a built 11.7:1 5.3 make 490/407 to the tire on e85 on youtube. That is obviously using a better manifold and stand alone but it just shows what they can do.

  • @GrandPitoVic
    @GrandPitoVic Год назад +3

    Slap a quick timing set on her and she'll run forever. A timing set on a 5 OH with cam phasers are friggin crazy expensive cause you have to buy the phasers from Ford or you will have major problems.

    • @snakebitten1997
      @snakebitten1997  Год назад +1

      Something else I forget to mention was, I’ve never heard of anyone having to upgrade oil pumps, pump gears, or crank sprockets on 4.6’s, like ever. It just seems like theirs a bit more tedious expensive things you need to do to a 5.0 to make it ready or last longevity wise if you’re going to really send these engines. Whereas a 4.6 you do not need to do those things.

    • @midnight347
      @midnight347 9 месяцев назад +2

      The opg crap is just snake oil that has been sold to the coyote community as a necessity. The coyote is a good option too you can find nice gen 1s with 80-100k in good shape for 3500 that is mustang versions too. Not all coyotes coat 10 grand lol. If you're just trying to make big boosted power the 4v can do that easy. If you want a 500 rwhp 8000 rpm all motor setup the coyote is easier and cheaper. The 4v can do that but it takes alot more modding to do it including aftermarket ecu and stuff and you'd have to run a Sullivan intake they don't have many intake options ecsp for b head cars. With the coyote you just need cobra jet and cams plus headers and exhaust to get to those power levels the b head will need this plus built bottom end with alot of compression, killer valve train and intake, ported heads, aftermarket ecu to Rev it over 7000 reliably, etc. The 4v motors do killer for boost if you just wanna make 700 wheel boosted that is easy rods pistons and boost...but for a 500 rwhp na 8000 rpm setup the coyote is easier and cheaper to do that with. .the coyote is basically a newer version of the same thing anyways. Either is pretty reliable if maintained.

  • @anthonywithem2272
    @anthonywithem2272 3 месяца назад +3

    I live in Florida also… I have a 2001 cobra… Where can I get my motor rebuilt with forged internals… I want to keep my original engine… Also thanks for the video… Everyone tells me to coyote swap my car and I tell them the exact same thing you do… My motor has been the heart of my car for 24 years now and I intend to keep it that way another 24 years… Thanks for the reassurance it lets me know I’m on the right path… I also feel one day it will increase the value having the original engine with these cars and I also believe these cars will skyrocket in value someday not just the terminator cobras.

    • @snakebitten1997
      @snakebitten1997  3 месяца назад +1

      Engine builder: Chris Fenoff Shop: Maxium Machine Works
      He is who I went too this time around for my 97 cobra. A friend referred him to me. Chris was very nice to me, extremely professional and very much prideful about his work. I was able to come multiple times to check things out, sent me pics along the build process, etc. Your engine is also great, C heads are great. The 4.6 platform is fantastic.
      People talk so much smack about the engines and they have no idea what they’re talking about. “It can’t rev” Ok aftermarket cams and springs. Done. “Rods are weak” Ok don’t be stupid on how you treat the car and they’ll hold or build it. And lastly, the ECU’s are what hold our motors back. If I went MS3 It would be all over fr. That ECU is a pretty good game changer from what I’ve heard. My tuner wants me to go Stand Alone but alas, money. I’m gonna go E85 at this point I’ve made up my mind for the blower. Keep the 01 cobra as a 01 cobra. Make that 4.6 a beast. 🤝

    • @anthonywithem2272
      @anthonywithem2272 3 месяца назад +1

      @@snakebitten1997 thanks for your reply… Also, what does ECU and MS3 mean… sorry for my lack of knowledge

    • @anthonywithem2272
      @anthonywithem2272 3 месяца назад +1

      @@snakebitten1997 Also your 3500 test pull video was awesome 😎

    • @snakebitten1997
      @snakebitten1997  3 месяца назад +1

      @anthonywithem2272 ECU is the computer. MS3 is a standalone computer. I believe the full term is “MS3 Pro” lots of Terminator/4v guys or modular swaps use it. I would look into the MS3 Pro ECU and do some research. I’ve heard it’s a relatively easy to install. Plug n Play. Not to sure on that as I will be using my stock computer for awhile.

    • @anthonywithem2272
      @anthonywithem2272 3 месяца назад +1

      @@snakebitten1997 thanks… I live in Florida also maybe we could meet up sometime… Your car is sweet… Thanks for the info

  • @RA-lk1vz
    @RA-lk1vz 3 месяца назад +2

    Pretty good video! Make sure you do the cooling head mod - Cobra Engineering I think is the best.

    • @snakebitten1997
      @snakebitten1997  3 месяца назад +1

      Rear MMR was installed before the engine ever turned over

  • @AGBULLIT
    @AGBULLIT Год назад +1

    Great looking engine.

  • @matthewruss5008
    @matthewruss5008 4 месяца назад +2

    Quoting my man bst... nice

  • @javierquiroga1658
    @javierquiroga1658 Год назад +2

    96-99 came with teksid blocks ,2001 came with a wap block some early 2001 cobras came with a leftover teksid block

    • @snakebitten1997
      @snakebitten1997  Год назад +1

      Hey the more you know! Didn’t know that, cool to know they had extras

  • @mguevara2201
    @mguevara2201 5 месяцев назад +1

    Awesome Cobra! 💪👍

  • @4valvemark98
    @4valvemark98 Год назад +2

    I love the 4 valve in my mark its a tower of power even in stock form it loves to shift at 6100 which is past its 6000 rpm reading on the tach. I keep up with rt challengers/chargers it makes me wanna throw on an xpipe and cobra intake manifold to free up some corked power 🔥

    • @midnight347
      @midnight347 4 месяца назад

      Do a ported short runner cobra manifold, headers and some steep gearing with a stall. I mean like 430s. It would be a totally different animal. You could Rev it to 7000 easily especially with aftermarket cams.

  • @darrellbraddy4334
    @darrellbraddy4334 7 месяцев назад +1

    My 98 Mark VIII has 271K and running strong,no oil use between changes

  • @suqmadiq6653
    @suqmadiq6653 Год назад +1

    Neither one is universally better than the other. There are a number of factors. Your budget, your personal level of expertise building cars, and the vehicle platform are at the top of the list, but there are still other factors too.
    I can easily see how, in some instances, one build type would be clearly better than the other but for the most part, both are great options for most vehicles, most of the time.

    • @GrandPitoVic
      @GrandPitoVic 9 месяцев назад

      That is true, well said

  • @robertsine8812
    @robertsine8812 3 месяца назад

    They are a long lasting motor typically yes. Good mechanics will often say they are tried and tested. And fairly easy to work on. Providing they are well maintained of course.

  • @midnight347
    @midnight347 4 месяца назад

    Also it aint just the 4.6 that sounds wicked its all the older mod motors they have the same firing order as the old windsors. This includes the 5.4 and 5.8 4v and 5.4 2v and 4.6 3v they all sound killer.

  • @NewEdgeDesigns
    @NewEdgeDesigns Год назад +1

    Great video, I agree!!

  • @setharnold3699
    @setharnold3699 6 месяцев назад

    The car is badass and sounds better than any new sports cars!

  • @bradwhite4827
    @bradwhite4827 Год назад +3

    Dude love the 4 valve. Glad you kept it brutha! Do you still have your Mach? I have a white Mach 03. Always gonna have a 4 valve in it lol!

    • @snakebitten1997
      @snakebitten1997  Год назад

      I sold it, last video with the bent rod explanation I explained why I sold the Mach 1 and why my dad sold his cobra. Always keeping a 4.6 ❤️🤝

    • @anthonylaudano9435
      @anthonylaudano9435 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@snakebitten1997NOW LET ME JUST SAY I LOVE MUSTANGS AND I HAVE 8 AND WHAT I WILL SAY NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WON'T LIKE BUT THE 96 98 COBRA MOTORS WERE VERY WEAK AND IT DIDN'T TAKE MUCH TO BLOW ONE UP AND THE BEST FORD MOTOR IS IN 03 04 COBRAS PERIOD.

    • @pilargarcis6027
      @pilargarcis6027 11 месяцев назад

      @@anthonylaudano9435dude you’re still on that bullshit just because you’re broke??? Not every 96-98 cobra came with a defective 4.6 4v

  • @tylrjsph
    @tylrjsph 11 месяцев назад +1

    I think all mustang V8s sound good

  • @brianspangler3771
    @brianspangler3771 Год назад +1

    10:48. Where can I get that factory-style pcv hose with running from the cold air intake to the driver side of the intake manifold cover under the IAC valve?

  • @drifterwannab
    @drifterwannab 2 месяца назад

    I for sure wouldn't coyote swap if I had a 4.6 4v, I probably would max it out on power and run it till it blows, then rethink everything from there, lol. But I have a 2v, so hopefully, I'll coyote swap mine soon enough 😅.

  • @DriftDreams242
    @DriftDreams242 10 месяцев назад

    Man I hate that release bearing noise lol, my 4v swap is making that same noise 😂

  • @P71ScrewHead
    @P71ScrewHead Год назад

    Sweet car man.. Yeah, i'm not a fan of the Coyote nor ls swappers.. Unless it's a shell you want to save, or came with a 4cy or v6, build what came in the car.. Or swap to a BBF/BBC..lol

  • @hotrodlincoln7186
    @hotrodlincoln7186 27 дней назад

    Hey, quick question. I have a 06 town car. The engine is blown. And rather putting another 4.6 2v in it. I was wondering if I would be able to drop in a 4.6 4v? Or would there needed some modifications needed?

  • @YardbirdPerformance
    @YardbirdPerformance 4 месяца назад

    What are the wheels? They’d look really sharp on my silver Marauder. 😎✌️

  • @69BOSS429
    @69BOSS429 4 месяца назад

    I truthfully agree with everything you said. However, there are plenty of 5.0’s with 200k-400k miles. Especially in the 150’s. Ecoboost are just, ive only seen a few with 200-300k

    • @midnight347
      @midnight347 4 месяца назад

      The eco isn't junk people just don't maintain them right. Ford says (for some stupid reason) you can do 10k mile oil changes which is ridiculous especially for a highish compression twin turbo motor. The turbos heat the oil more and break it down more. They need really good synthetic oil changes every 5k at most especially if you're modding. Lots of people don't even change it at 10k they wanna mod stuff and beat on it without maintaining it.

  • @abowla7187
    @abowla7187 4 месяца назад +1

    Where's your strut tower brace?

    • @qward2174
      @qward2174 3 месяца назад

      He would have to change his intake tube to add one.

  • @Khalidsvt101
    @Khalidsvt101 6 месяцев назад +1

    4v cheaper and gets the job done
    coyotes are newer technology and definitely better but need alot of to build one 💰💰

    • @midnight347
      @midnight347 4 месяца назад

      What exactly constitutes better? More power stock? More power with lower boost? If you wanna do that build a 12:1 4v with short runner and aftermarket ecu spin it to 8000 like coyotes and see how much power it makes on low boost. It'll be alot lol...I mean anyone can see how 12:1, 8k rpm and e85 could be used together to make crazy power on not alot of boost. It is also a 5 liter vs 4.6 so the displacement alone will eat some boost causing it to make more on less. Do a big bore 5 liter 4v with 12:1, cams and 8k rpm it's amazing how close to new coyotes it can get. They're just more optimal stock vs stock because they're far newer with more tech. Once it's built vs built the old 4v can hold its own and then some.

  • @95Sn95
    @95Sn95 5 месяцев назад +1

    110% agree, if you just have to coyote swap do it to an old GT no one would care, why molest a cobra with its special hand built 32v.... Coyote swapping a cobra imo just ruined the cars specialness, Every new V8 mustang has a coyote and most are nothing special just another mustang..... It's the same as Coyote swapping a 94/95, Why? It has the legendary 5.0HO, if it has one just leave it a Windsor! those 2 years are kinda special imo, there used the new SN chassis but retained the fox 5.0 engine, is it better or worse? who cares. It may sound shitty but while being a great car still the least special mustang is the 2v 4.6 engine cars, if you have to molest a mustang do up one of those. Anyway sweet ride I'm glad you kept it original.

    • @midnight347
      @midnight347 4 месяца назад

      I agree to an extent with what you're saying other than keeping the 302 in 94-95 cars. I would at least do a 408 Windsor in it if not a new godzilla swap. I understand wanting to keep it pushrod but there are better Ford options than the 302.

  • @RobertECartwright
    @RobertECartwright 2 месяца назад +1

    Hey man. Which wing is that? Is it theduraflex one every website seems to be selling? If so any problems with it?

    • @snakebitten1997
      @snakebitten1997  2 месяца назад +1

      No clue my dad bought it way back in the day. When eBay was relatively a thing brand speaking new. It feels like fiberglass, relatively strong. I’m only saying that incase that website you mentioned does actually use flimsy materials instead of fiberglass. I do not know anything about that company

    • @RobertECartwright
      @RobertECartwright 2 месяца назад +1

      @@snakebitten1997 alright. Good to know. I appreciate the quick response. I'm in the process of buying an 01 cobra with 76k miles w/ stock engine and tubular K members, rear suspension bushings. Kinda wanna build a Cobra R tribute..
      Your car looks fuckin clean man. Love it

  • @andersonbarbell3594
    @andersonbarbell3594 Месяц назад

    I have a 99 2v and I bought the heads n pistons from a 4v. Will it work?

  • @xarrow81
    @xarrow81 2 месяца назад

    Wonder if a 4.6 would fit in a 2002 thunderbird. 39 v8 is slow

  • @newedgegt1947
    @newedgegt1947 21 день назад

    All engines are expensive to build. Doesn't matter.. I will keep the 4.6 2v no matter what

  • @eddiearchuleta615
    @eddiearchuleta615 Месяц назад +1

    My 97 cobra with the 4v kennebell and lots of methanol makes 550 rwhp weighs 3000lbs it would take a new mustang 700-750rwhp to keep up because they weigh 3800-4000lbs my car costed 15k when I purchased it 20 years ago after i graduated I put I. About 5k of my own money and all my labor to get it where it’s at. It would cost me 50k for a new gt and another 15k in mods to equal what I have now……no thanks

    • @snakebitten1997
      @snakebitten1997  Месяц назад

      What’s your entire setup and boost man? I’m in the middle of doing the KB install on my car also and doing E85. My motor is built with 11.1 compression, I’ll be running 8# I’m just curious to know your build because I’m so excited and eager to guess my numbers

    • @snakebitten1997
      @snakebitten1997  Месяц назад

      And do you regret the KB and how bad is the heat soak for you?

    • @eddiearchuleta615
      @eddiearchuleta615 Месяц назад +1

      Heat soak is non existent I also fabbed up a remote bypass valve with the meth flowing after pull you can touch the blower inlet and case and it’s cold to the touch even frosts up the inlet

  • @tylrjsph
    @tylrjsph 11 месяцев назад

    you live in polk county?

  • @miguellucio721
    @miguellucio721 6 месяцев назад

    why did you not go higher on the compression?

    • @snakebitten1997
      @snakebitten1997  6 месяцев назад +2

      Dude my compression is stupid high I’m 11.1:1
      factory 96-98 cobra motors run 9.85:1 stock

    • @miguellucio721
      @miguellucio721 6 месяцев назад

      @@snakebitten1997 Not bad, I might try 12.0:1 want to stay on 93oct

  • @midnight347
    @midnight347 4 месяца назад

    Theyre really not expensive to build. A coyote is gonna cost just as much to build if not more. If you just throw a gen 1 truck motor in there it wont be near as capable as a fully forged 4v. Even a gen 2 or 3 coyote doesnt have as much capability as a fully forged teksid 4v. This is something alot dont consider.

  • @mahdialsadiq349
    @mahdialsadiq349 11 месяцев назад

    Shave arm b

  • @Stroked302Mustang
    @Stroked302Mustang Год назад

    Nope.

  • @nandansho.nandansho2366
    @nandansho.nandansho2366 14 дней назад

    Did you rebuild the engine yourself?