Getting a little out in the weeds educational on this video but hey, who doesn't want to learn a new weird random bit of car knowledge?! As always thanks for being here and watching our stuff!
I've built a lot of these, and feel free to reach out with any questions. The Kellogg crank has routinely seen 2300 hp, the owner of accufab racing has done this. The teksid block can see 1200hp with no issues, if the rods and pistons are upgraded. The noise in the beginning of the video sounded like the famed head tick that the early engines could suffer from. All of the 8 bolt cranks are forged Kellogg cranks. The 6 bolt cranks are cast cranks. I could go on and on.
The mod motor Ford line up used 6 bolts flywheel like you said. Also the 98 Mustang GT and Ford trucks in 98 also used the 8 bolts flywheel. Mod motor you can put the heads and intake of those two motors on the 4.6 5.4 motors. Bolts on. I a retired Ford Senior Master Tech and automatic transmission technician
Is the 98 truck flywheel the smaller or larger pattern to the converter? From what I understood all the trucks/SUVs used the larger? Good to have a big Ford guy in the crowd, don't you go anywhere we have thing to discuss! 😀
I‘ve been doing research for a 5.4 swap in a Crown Vic. The 5.4 also uses an 8 bolt flexplate. I appreciate this info because this is also the flexplate I will need too. Thank you for the confirmation!
Thank you Sir, we are certainly a bit different than "most shops"! We are fortunate to have a wide range of rides to work on and some great customers who trust us with their toys. You keep watching and we'll keep sharing!
Thanks for the awesome information! I'm beginning to despise flexplates. Apparently the 351W was never meant to be mated with the AOD transmission, and allegedly if I use the flexplate from the original 302 it will push into the pump and murder my transmission as soon as I put it in gear. And then there's the other camp that says it will be just fine and go ahead and do it. I don't mind research, but I hate it when research returns conflicting answers. But since my garage isn't heated and I'm a big baby, I've got time to get a definitive answer before I move forward. Thanks again for the videos, I really enjoy watching you guys!
351 imbalance weight stayed at 28oz. 302 changed to 50oz in 81 or 82 when they changed it to the 5.0. So there is a definite balance issue. P/A transmission used to offer what you needed. Although I don't know if they still do.
Try using a Mustang 2 small bell housing with a 50 oz imbalance later 302. Had to get a Art Carr flex plate with the weight added to it. If only I had known...351w or early crank 302 would be what I would have done.
This one definitely threw us for a loop for a bit, took some homework to figure out just what the HECK was going on. 😳 Thought well if WE are running into this surely others have too!
Now you forced me to dive into the stacks of car mags.. Pretty sure there is a dragracing Ford Mustang here in Sweden that has something like this engine and from memory it does well. Better go find that mag!
Ohhh THAT would be interesting to know! The truly killer motor of this period was the one that came immediately after this from the lessons they learned. The 03-04 Terminator was a true monster at the time and honestly still is. Let us know what you find!
@@LucoreAuto teksid block. It should be fun. Ford 9in floater rear end and mustang II front. Would like to twin turbo one of these days. Building for street and auto cross.
I’m actually looking for a 96 to 98 4.6 for my 98 Cobra. Couldn’t find one so swamped the Lincoln 4.6 in, twice. They worked well but you must change the guilds and oil tensioners. Also add the head cool mod. I have 5 speed and had the same problem finding the right flywheel bolt pattern.
One small issue... Super Couples never got the V8. They ran a supercharged 3.8 V6. However, in 96-97, you could get a "Sport" with a V8 and I had one! Basically, leftover Super Coupe suspension under a 4.6SOHC. They were so close to something truly badass though... the 1998 Thunderbird SVE had a supercharged DOHC V8 with a T45 Transmission and 17" Cobra R rims. 3 of the 4 prototypes have been destroyed since then and IDK where the lone survivor is :(
That's always kind of been an idea around the edges, doing a manual swap but that would NOT be cheap. They really are great cars, capable of being decently fast, can/do make great noises, and totally a sleeper. And of course feels like you are relaxing in a comfy living room chair because it's a Lincoln! 😀
I do know the 8 bolt cranks are forged made by kellogg.i have the 4.6 dohc in my 04 mach 1. They love rpms too.mine pulls to 7k.the 03 04 mach 1 cars did come with auto trans too
Yes sir you are correct that's essentially the difference we discovered as well was cast crank versus forged crank. Certainly some high revving machines, which is such an odd thing to hide under the hood of a big Lincoln. I think the auto trans in the 03-04 Mach is a different generation than these things? Maybe I'm not correct there but thought it was... more homework!
@@LucoreAuto the 1993 Lincoln Markviii was the first production DOHC V8 American car IIRC. Mach auto was 4r75w, slightly different than the older 4r70w in the Lincoln. Great video, thanks for posting!
Depends on what rods and pistons are in it. Plus doesn’t the 96 Cobra engine use B Heads like the Mark VIII engine. The eight bolt crankshaft usually means it has a forged steel crankshaft. Very interested to know what the 96 Cobra engine has in it.
good information here! i'm not sure if i'll run into the same problem in reverse. i have a '66 F100 and i'd like to install a 4.6 32V out of a lincoln aviator. and, i'd like to use a t45 or a t5 manual transmission. now, i'm wondering what i'd need for a flywheel since lincoln doesn't have a manual transmission in their vehicles.
I'm alwaus enthralled by things that no relavance to me. I'm not neing sarcastic. For example I'm at least 200miles from any bar crossing. I've never been in a boat (well I have but we won't let thruth get in the way of a good story), will never own one, don't live near the sea but here's the thing, I always enjoy watching Coast Guard instructioal videos for safe bar crossings. Substitute bar crossing for 4.6 flex plate and yet I'm still watching.
This is precisely why I much prefer older vehicles! Our education began with finding a C6 to fit an 351C, not the Windsor bellhousing we mistakenly bought. Yes, we learned Ford had two bellhousing castings... This was long before the internet existed.
very interesting video! I am interested in the motor... I had heard they were all dogs but this isn't so and looking forward to the next video! right now my head is spinning like it does after I remember Biden's the president! LOL You guys are great! and only Lucore could have figured out the flex plate issue!! GO Lucore ! ....after this Lincoln the Capri will be childs play!!
If you feel like going down some weird rabbit holes of Motor homework, look into the Teksid 4.6 block and how it came to be. Very interesting random situation that turned out some truly impressive motors. The immediate successor of this motor being the true monster motors that were in the 03-04 Mustang Cobras. We SHOULD have some engine updates on the Capri build this week as well! Fingers crossed 🤞
You could've bypassed your "little" flywheel issue by "easily" manual swapping the transmission; then you would have a hot rod lincoln. I used to have a markviii; loved that car till someone t-boned me in rush hour traffic
If you have the forged crank version, that little engine is almost limitless, with the 8 bolt pattern and having come from a Cobra chances are crank is forged.
From everything we've seen so far the 8 bolt crank is the forged crank version of the Teksid, no forged rods or pistons though. But even still... this little monster of a mod motor could be quite fun!
Yes, if your 4 valve came out of a Cobra or manual mach1 it has a Kellogg forged crank. The teksid block is a great one. The mach1 came with the WAP block which proved to be just as strong, and the later 3 valve aluminum block is by far the strongest of them all! Great videos guys!!
They certainly aren't cheap and this was NOT the planned build for this Lincoln. It wasn't supposed to break, we were supposed to have time to BUILD a motor for it. But, that's how things happen and we'll see what's in the future for this Hot Rod Lincoln
Flywheel Pressure Plate Clutch = Manual Transmission Flexplate Torque Converter = Automatic transmission. Basically they do and are the same thing just a plate used to engage against the starter and transfer power from the engine to transmission 😀 You'll notice we often trip up/transpose those technical names
You keep saying "super coupe", that is a Thunderbird. The Markviii model is the "LSC" which stands for Luxury Sport Coupe. The Markvii also used the LSC model name.
I think you are probably right but by "weak" I think they are still vastly better than the 4.6 2v motors. And I'm 99% sure these Cobra motors came with forged crankshafts... lessons learned then applied to the Terminators?
@@LucoreAuto I wouldn't really call it a Cobra engine, there is some vast differences, heads don't flow nearly as well and neither does the intake, the connecting rods are cast as well as the crankshaft, the wiring is also different... A book that would be a HUGE help for y'all would be Sean Hylands book on how to build max performance Modular engines..Try to find the original book, it's got more info. This engine HAS huge potential but it's gonna need some new parts to unlock it.
@@Blackinterceptor999 are you comparing the Lincold 4.6 DOHC to the Mustang Cobra DOHC? Or both these motors to the 03-04 Cobras? We're certainly reaching back into our library of knowledge none of us here have used much lately!
@@LucoreAuto ya I was looking for the one before this model, the 5.0. but ended up with a 91coupe DeVille and I think it will run with the stock 5.0 no problem.
Lol yeahhh this was one of those, you've got to be kidding me moments. Fortunately a resolution was found pretty quickly and rather inexpensively. Project only went on hold for one more week! 😀 Thanks for the continued support!
Love the channel and content. But......... LS is the way to go. Hard to beat the durability of a push rod engine. Good luck with the hunk of timing chain destroying ford looking forward to seeing this project completed however.
They will support 1500 hp all day long .if you want a vortech or any other super charger just use the brackets for the cobra mustang. There's a small but growing following of these cars because they are cheap to buy and the drivetrain is really close to a mustang Cobra .
Hey there easy there Bowtie Boy we give everyone the chance to be cool 'round here! 😉 These things were probably a tad overkill for when they came out but the technology helped move the bar for sure!
Getting a little out in the weeds educational on this video but hey, who doesn't want to learn a new weird random bit of car knowledge?! As always thanks for being here and watching our stuff!
I've built a lot of these, and feel free to reach out with any questions. The Kellogg crank has routinely seen 2300 hp, the owner of accufab racing has done this. The teksid block can see 1200hp with no issues, if the rods and pistons are upgraded.
The noise in the beginning of the video sounded like the famed head tick that the early engines could suffer from.
All of the 8 bolt cranks are forged Kellogg cranks. The 6 bolt cranks are cast cranks. I could go on and on.
Hell yeah, I am building an aluminator right now
Thanks for the update! I'm not really a performance Ford person, but I have been looking forward to Craig's Hot Rod Lincoln resolution!
It's been a long long time coming for an update on this thing but hopefully the next little bits move quickly! Thanks for tuning in!
The mod motor Ford line up used 6 bolts flywheel like you said. Also the 98 Mustang GT and Ford trucks in 98 also used the 8 bolts flywheel. Mod motor you can put the heads and intake of those two motors on the 4.6 5.4 motors. Bolts on. I a retired Ford Senior Master Tech and automatic transmission technician
Is the 98 truck flywheel the smaller or larger pattern to the converter? From what I understood all the trucks/SUVs used the larger? Good to have a big Ford guy in the crowd, don't you go anywhere we have thing to discuss! 😀
Don’t remember been retired 10 years now. Would depend on if it a Aod or E4od
Thanks guys I needed this and will donate to the channel
I‘ve been doing research for a 5.4 swap in a Crown Vic. The 5.4 also uses an 8 bolt flexplate. I appreciate this info because this is also the flexplate I will need too. Thank you for the confirmation!
Very informative great work yall
Glad everything worked out! 😎
Indeed and got it in a HURRY from all the way across the country. Thanks for the help as always!
You do cool stuff...yes you do buddy...keep it coming,I'll be watching...
Thank you Sir, we are certainly a bit different than "most shops"! We are fortunate to have a wide range of rides to work on and some great customers who trust us with their toys. You keep watching and we'll keep sharing!
Thank you for sharing all that information 😊 the motor I have is out of a mark 8 twin cam
Thanks for the awesome information! I'm beginning to despise flexplates. Apparently the 351W was never meant to be mated with the AOD transmission, and allegedly if I use the flexplate from the original 302 it will push into the pump and murder my transmission as soon as I put it in gear. And then there's the other camp that says it will be just fine and go ahead and do it. I don't mind research, but I hate it when research returns conflicting answers. But since my garage isn't heated and I'm a big baby, I've got time to get a definitive answer before I move forward.
Thanks again for the videos, I really enjoy watching you guys!
Find a flex plate from an LTD Crown Victoria Police Cruiser with the 351W up to 1991 should work.
I just checked Rock Auto, they got two of em, ATP Z105 and PIONEER FRA205
are the part numbers. and both are less than $50 bucks. I hope this helps
@@Blackinterceptor999 Well you're my new hero, thank you so much! But now what do I use as an excuse to stay out of the cold garage???
Thanks again!
351 imbalance weight stayed at 28oz. 302 changed to 50oz in 81 or 82 when they changed it to the 5.0. So there is a definite balance issue. P/A transmission used to offer what you needed. Although I don't know if they still do.
Try using a Mustang 2 small bell housing with a 50 oz imbalance later 302. Had to get a Art Carr flex plate with the weight added to it. If only I had known...351w or early crank 302 would be what I would have done.
Good tip to know. I have a 2005 Aviator. It will have an application if I do a turbo engine build with an eight-bolt crank.
Thanks for the update, I hope it is information I never have to use but I always have it if I am unfortunate enough to have to work on a ford
It seems like the factory will do anything they can to eliminate backyard mechanics.. interesting challenge.. keep us informed...
This one definitely threw us for a loop for a bit, took some homework to figure out just what the HECK was going on. 😳
Thought well if WE are running into this surely others have too!
@@LucoreAuto Thanks for the video and insight to help others that might be experiencing the same problem or to help them avoid this problem...
Now you forced me to dive into the stacks of car mags.. Pretty sure there is a dragracing Ford Mustang here in Sweden that has something like this engine and from memory it does well. Better go find that mag!
Ohhh THAT would be interesting to know! The truly killer motor of this period was the one that came immediately after this from the lessons they learned. The 03-04 Terminator was a true monster at the time and honestly still is. Let us know what you find!
I think i may be one of the three people who want this type of swap
It's definitely a hot setup for sure, took a lot of doing to get it back together but so far our customer is loving his even hotter Hot Rod Lincoln 😀
Very good info. I'm putting a 4.6 dohc into a 1961 falcon with manual transmission.
That should certainly be a hell of a motor for a little Falcon and kudos to you for keeping it Ford powered! You going Teminator 4.6 or Teksid?
@@LucoreAuto teksid block. It should be fun. Ford 9in floater rear end and mustang II front. Would like to twin turbo one of these days. Building for street and auto cross.
Definitely interested because my Town Car and Grand Marquis need a little something.
I’m actually looking for a 96 to 98 4.6 for my 98 Cobra. Couldn’t find one so swamped the Lincoln 4.6 in, twice. They worked well but you must change the guilds and oil tensioners. Also add the head cool mod. I have 5 speed and had the same problem finding the right flywheel bolt pattern.
yessir!!! I love freeride, but I also love Thunderbirds and Mark VIII's!! MN12 guy here 1st, but always got love for an FN10!
One small issue... Super Couples never got the V8. They ran a supercharged 3.8 V6.
However, in 96-97, you could get a "Sport" with a V8 and I had one! Basically, leftover Super Coupe suspension under a 4.6SOHC. They were so close to something truly badass though... the 1998 Thunderbird SVE had a supercharged DOHC V8 with a T45 Transmission and 17" Cobra R rims. 3 of the 4 prototypes have been destroyed since then and IDK where the lone survivor is :(
& You guy had to do some serious digging to get that flex plate correct, wow! Thanks Ford lol
It would be cool to put a manual Transmission in that car always liked them my grandfather had one freaking ran great and rode really good
That's always kind of been an idea around the edges, doing a manual swap but that would NOT be cheap. They really are great cars, capable of being decently fast, can/do make great noises, and totally a sleeper. And of course feels like you are relaxing in a comfy living room chair because it's a Lincoln! 😀
I do know the 8 bolt cranks are forged made by kellogg.i have the 4.6 dohc in my 04 mach 1. They love rpms too.mine pulls to 7k.the 03 04 mach 1 cars did come with auto trans too
Yes sir you are correct that's essentially the difference we discovered as well was cast crank versus forged crank. Certainly some high revving machines, which is such an odd thing to hide under the hood of a big Lincoln. I think the auto trans in the 03-04 Mach is a different generation than these things? Maybe I'm not correct there but thought it was... more homework!
@@LucoreAuto the 1993 Lincoln Markviii was the first production DOHC V8 American car IIRC. Mach auto was 4r75w, slightly different than the older 4r70w in the Lincoln.
Great video, thanks for posting!
Still following this old girl
Depends on what rods and pistons are in it. Plus doesn’t the 96 Cobra engine use B Heads like the Mark VIII engine. The eight bolt crankshaft usually means it has a forged steel crankshaft. Very interested to know what the 96 Cobra engine has in it.
6 bolt crank is cast.
You are correct 96-98 Cobra uses B heads.
good information here! i'm not sure if i'll run into the same problem in reverse. i have a '66 F100 and i'd like to install a 4.6 32V out of a lincoln aviator. and, i'd like to use a t45 or a t5 manual transmission. now, i'm wondering what i'd need for a flywheel since lincoln doesn't have a manual transmission in their vehicles.
It can take much more than the automatic transmission behind it.
YOU are very much correct, that poor transmission has no idea the abuse this motor could produce
I'm alwaus enthralled by things that no relavance to me. I'm not neing sarcastic.
For example I'm at least 200miles from any bar crossing. I've never been in a boat (well I have but we won't let thruth get in the way of a good story), will never own one, don't live near the sea but here's the thing, I always enjoy watching Coast Guard instructioal videos for safe bar crossings.
Substitute bar crossing for 4.6 flex plate and yet I'm still watching.
A 8 bolt flex plate for a 1997 f150 with a 4.6 with a 8 bolt crank and a 4r70w
Isn't the F150 flexplate the larger bolt pattern? Or is it the smaller in the 4.6 but the larger in the 5.4 trucks?
@@LucoreAuto last time I replaced a torque converter in a 97 mustang gt the converter was the same as a f150 4.6 of the same year
This is precisely why I much prefer older vehicles! Our education began with finding a C6 to fit an 351C, not the Windsor bellhousing we mistakenly bought. Yes, we learned Ford had two bellhousing castings... This was long before the internet existed.
very interesting video! I am interested in the motor... I had heard they were all dogs but this isn't so and looking forward to the next video!
right now my head is spinning like it does after I remember Biden's the president! LOL
You guys are great! and only Lucore could have figured out the flex plate issue!! GO Lucore !
....after this Lincoln the Capri will be childs play!!
If you feel like going down some weird rabbit holes of Motor homework, look into the Teksid 4.6 block and how it came to be. Very interesting random situation that turned out some truly impressive motors. The immediate successor of this motor being the true monster motors that were in the 03-04 Mustang Cobras.
We SHOULD have some engine updates on the Capri build this week as well! Fingers crossed 🤞
Yes, the engine is definitely a tired old dog, you definitely don't want it, But I'll gladly take one off your hands ;) LOL
You could've bypassed your "little" flywheel issue by "easily" manual swapping the transmission; then you would have a hot rod lincoln. I used to have a markviii; loved that car till someone t-boned me in rush hour traffic
Putting a manual in a Markviii is not as easy as you think.
If you have the forged crank version, that little engine is almost limitless, with the 8 bolt pattern and having come from a Cobra chances are crank is forged.
From everything we've seen so far the 8 bolt crank is the forged crank version of the Teksid, no forged rods or pistons though. But even still... this little monster of a mod motor could be quite fun!
Yes, if your 4 valve came out of a Cobra or manual mach1 it has a Kellogg forged crank. The teksid block is a great one. The mach1 came with the WAP block which proved to be just as strong, and the later 3 valve aluminum block is by far the strongest of them all! Great videos guys!!
I have owned a few mark viii’s now and done a few minor upgrades never had the money to build one tho they are expensive hahaha
They certainly aren't cheap and this was NOT the planned build for this Lincoln. It wasn't supposed to break, we were supposed to have time to BUILD a motor for it. But, that's how things happen and we'll see what's in the future for this Hot Rod Lincoln
I thought what you are holding in your hand is the flywheel and the thin piece of aluminum that goes between the block and flywheel is the flex plate?
Flywheel Pressure Plate Clutch = Manual Transmission
Flexplate Torque Converter = Automatic transmission.
Basically they do and are the same thing just a plate used to engage against the starter and transfer power from the engine to transmission 😀 You'll notice we often trip up/transpose those technical names
I’m so sorry I’m the idiot!! Damn I’m the fool I love your channel!! I’m so glad to know the knowledge on the flywheel I feel like a ass!!
I have questions about a crown victoria sohc to dohc swap and what changes will need to be made to make it run.
So answer me this will my 2v harness work on a 4v engine, if not outside of the harness and computer what else will I have to consider??
Navigator is a 5.4 L DOHC V8
i have a 2002 thunderbird would the 4.6 work in my car?
You keep saying "super coupe", that is a Thunderbird. The Markviii model is the "LSC" which stands for Luxury Sport Coupe. The Markvii also used the LSC model name.
Try flexplate for merc marauder.
Good thinking! Dunno how that escaped my mind! Will have to do some homework on if that's this same PRW unit or not
@@LucoreAuto should be same motor with automatic trans from the factory.
Hi anyone whos done a town car engine swap with a mark viii/cobra engine, cant really find any info on this swap
Oddities playlist 8)>
The rods are the weakest part in those motors i believe.
I think you are probably right but by "weak" I think they are still vastly better than the 4.6 2v motors. And I'm 99% sure these Cobra motors came with forged crankshafts... lessons learned then applied to the Terminators?
@@LucoreAuto I wouldn't really call it a Cobra engine, there is some vast differences, heads don't flow nearly as well and neither does the intake, the connecting rods are cast as well as the crankshaft, the wiring is also different...
A book that would be a HUGE help for y'all would be Sean Hylands book on how to build max performance Modular engines..Try to find the original book, it's got more info.
This engine HAS huge potential but it's gonna need some new parts to unlock it.
@@Blackinterceptor999 are you comparing the Lincold 4.6 DOHC to the Mustang Cobra DOHC? Or both these motors to the 03-04 Cobras? We're certainly reaching back into our library of knowledge none of us here have used much lately!
I know that on the MACH 1’s
The difference between 6 and 8 crank bolt holes was 6=cast crank 8= forged crank
I want to bring my mark viii to you
Ohhhh dear dare we ask why? 😨
Your shirt matches the valve covers
Always match your clothes to your projects 😉
By the way,hot rod Lincolns is Cool.
They are indeed, and can't WAIT for this thing to be back running and rumbling!
@@LucoreAuto ya I was looking for the one before this model, the 5.0. but ended up with a 91coupe DeVille and I think it will run with the stock 5.0 no problem.
Looks like some of my Luck 🤞🤞🍀🍀 from Alabama 👍 watching 🇺🇸
Lol yeahhh this was one of those, you've got to be kidding me moments. Fortunately a resolution was found pretty quickly and rather inexpensively. Project only went on hold for one more week! 😀 Thanks for the continued support!
Love the channel and content. But......... LS is the way to go. Hard to beat the durability of a push rod engine. Good luck with the hunk of timing chain destroying ford looking forward to seeing this project completed however.
It's not a super coup it's a mark 8. There is no mark 8 super coup .
Also that block will accept the sohc heads if you want to build a bullet proof 2 valve
They will support 1500 hp all day long .if you want a vortech or any other super charger just use the brackets for the cobra mustang. There's a small but growing following of these cars because they are cheap to buy and the drivetrain is really close to a mustang Cobra .
Why ford sucks stay Chevy stay running 😂
Hey there easy there Bowtie Boy we give everyone the chance to be cool 'round here! 😉 These things were probably a tad overkill for when they came out but the technology helped move the bar for sure!
Just put a 700 hp LS aim it like Cleetus
Lol NO! Not happening! This Ford powered monster is staying Ford powered!