Missing Camper: VANISHED in The Canadian Wilderness
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► Ray Salmen was 65 years old when he vanished on the 9th of June 2013 from the shores of Harrison Lake in Fraser Valley of British Columbia, Canada. Usually, Ray would come out to these remote locations with his wife, Daniela and they would stay together. Sadly this time, he would disappear so thoroughly as to never be seen again while at this camp by himself without anyone else but his two dogs Elmer and Bandit, his truck, his camper and his raft...
► Missing Camper: VANISHED in The Canadian Wilderness
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There seems to have been a number of oddities in Ray's disappearance, what do you think happened?
Also, I didn't mean to leave it this long since the last video so I'll try to get another one ready for this Friday
Always very well done good man 😊
I agree. You do a great job every time. I look forward to seeing them.
Reeks of a military exercise gone wrong
Chased by a bear
@kevinpruett6424 I hear your point. An obvious possibility. I initially figured he got ambushed by at least 2 negative multi dimensional beings. I believe one of us have it right regardless.
1) SWAT is never called out to a scene on a "maybe". They are only deployed when there is a definite dangerous situation where the average police or Mounties cannot handle. Having a headlight shot out is not something that requires SWAT. However, a hostage situation most definitely would. The Canadian authorities were not being truthful.
2) The Canadian authorities suspiciously did not state whether or not Ray's shotgun and pistol were ever fired. They also did not state whether the shells in Ray's shotgun matched the shots that hit the headlight. In case you are unfamiliar with shotgun ammunitions, they come in many types - they vary in number and size of the pellets in each shotgun shells. It is a simple matter to compare the damaged headlight to the shotgun shells loaded in Ray's shotgun to determine whether they were damaged by the type of shells in the shotgun.
3) There are also a type of shotgun ammunition call slugs which is a solid round like a bullet unlike shotgun shotshells which fires several pellets (birdshots or buckshots) which has a maximum range of only 49 yards (45 meters). A slug, however, can hit out to 110 yards (100 meters) and some special slugs call saboted slugs fired out of a shotgun with a rifled barrel can hit out to 160 yards (150 meters). Knowing what kind of ammunition Ray had and how far from where his backpack was found to where the car was hit, it is easy to determine whether or not it was Ray who fired on the car.
The Canadian authorities were definitely hiding something from the public.
They said that the beach they found the shells on was 400meters from the vehicle, so in my mind rules out any shotgun
1) I would say the idea of someone shooting at cars and campers warrants a SWAT team to search the woods.
2) I wouldn't say it's a simple matter to compare any damage to the car and his shotgun unless they did a metallurgy test. Shotguns are extremely common.
3) Shotguns firing shot have a far greater maximum range than 50 yards and slugs have more than 150. A skilled hunter can double those ranges with a proper choke (for the shot). That's only the effective range... The maximum range is hundreds of yards for both.
Or they were just incompetent and didn't bother themselves with that detail. You'd be surprised to see how negligent they can be sometimes, I doubt they would be outright malicious, but incompetent, I don't have any doubts.
I keep hearing bad things about the Canadian mountain police
@bethanywallace8575 it might as well be the wild west in Canada, where people take the law into their own hands. Be armed with high powered guns, with multiple people, in wilderness areas.
Idk why but Canadian vanishing stories seem much more terrifying to me because Canada has some truly unknown wilderness and even unaccessed zones
Yep. The Canadian wilderness is overwhelming in size. Imagine what hasn't been discovered there yet!😮
@@nelsaf365 Agreed especially zones like the infamous headless valley
This is actually true, like the two men who went out to stay in a cabin in the Nahanni National Park area and vanished weirdly
@@MissingVoidTV that valley is even more hazardous than the infamous Bermuda triangle
@@MissingVoidTVou cannot compare the edge of Vancouver with a population of a few million people to the nahanni valley. I actually rolled vehicle on the southern flank of the nahanni valley, that is some vast wilderness and the Wilderness has about 10,000 ways to end your life,, there were definitely humans involved with this guy disappearing, where he was wasn't the middle of nowhere it was an hour away from one of the biggest metropolitan areas in Canada.
I live here I have travelled extensively here and I work in the bush.
You cannot compare the Wilderness of the Yukon or northern BC to just outside of Vancouver there is no comparison at all. Other than someone with no Outdoors experience can easily Parrish in both of them. But this wasn't due to lack of experience this was due to a large population of junkies very very very close. Anyone who's been to Abbotsford or Surrey knows that you got to get several hours away from there to get away from the nonsense, and Harrison Lake is not far enough.. I understand that if you live in Europe or in a big city it seems like the middle of nowhere but here in Canada being half an hour away from a major population does not constitute the middle of nowhere 🙄
He was absolutely looking after the dogs safety. No doubt 👈
I am just glad the dogs are ok
What shame he disappeared (or anyone else) he was in a place he truly enjoyed.
Tfs 💙🕊
I love the artwork and visuals you use now. It absolutely adds to the ambience. Thank you for always posting great content for us!
At 11:43 just above the helmet of the searcher all the way to the left - whoever the artist is put a sasquatch in between the trees watching them.🙂My prayers go out to Ray and his family, especially his wife.
As a long time fan and viewer just wanted to let You know it is much appreciated how You present these stories with a human and altruistic view instead of just dry reading case files like 99% of other similar channels. You can just tell You are a good dude with a good heart and not only want to solve these mysteries for Yourself but the families as well. As pertaining to this case, the way the RCMP acts is beyond stupidity at this point and they are obviously hiding something and come off very sinister as I would not trust them with a bag of junk. How many cases is this now in Canada that these jerks act sinister and suspicious and like I said this is not the first time or I would say they are just a keystone cop organization but they have been acting strange in almost every case they are involved in. Thanks for keeping us informed Brother and hope You and Yours stays well! From East Tennessee USA bravo sir bravo!
The RCMP can be scarily incompetent and negligent sometimes, and they are also known for trying to hide their mistakes. Usually, the provincial police are the ones that people can rely on, but there's some province that don't have a dedicated police and only have the RCMP. It's often the case for remote areas and smaller provinces. We are lucky to have one where I live, and only have the RCMP for very specific crimes, the less they are involved the better.
Im sure he left the dogs locked up to protect them too. Possibly he ran into a problem with some people or someone and stepped out to handle it himself and didnt want the dogs to be hurt or cause a ruckess of any kind. Maybe whoever it was, was actually complaining about the dogs for some reason,so he locked them up and then ran into something unexpected. Its always so sad when the family has no answers. I pray they find some. Another thought provoking one my friend!!
Ray sees something in the woods on the perimeter of his camp. He’s not sure what it is and doesn’t want his dogs getting hurt by chasing it. He puts them in the camper and goes after it. Ray ends up coming face to face with a Sasquatch or Dogman.
This story gave me a terrible feeling. The whole thing is so strange. I usually have some idea of what happened. This one is just creepy.
Three shots is supposed to be the woodland version of SOS.
Always awesome storytelling and well researched!
It sounds to me like he perhaps ran into human trouble. The kids? Maybe. There are a lot of very odd humans who run around in the woods. Not knowing anything about the group of kids, perhaps one of the odd humans from the woods were encountered. But why didn't he leave when he put the dogs away if he'd run into a dangerous nut?
He either locked the dogs up to keep them safe, or he locked them up because he was afraid he couldn't control them. There's no mention of the dogs and their ways of being as to whether either was possibly a bit dangerous to humans.
The shots... if it were him, those sound like they were signals for help. Dropping his pistol in a field sounds like he might have been in a panic. or was accosted and told to drop his weapon.
I don't think he went there intending to disappear. No one would lock dogs they love in a vehicle and just disappear leaving them to an unknown fate.
Kinda off topic, I just learned a retired police officer in my home state Litchfield, CT there was a Bigfoot sighting!
It wasn't off topic and this story seems to allude to something of this nature. I just watched this episode and believe that is was a sasquatch and wrote about what I think Raymond Salmen encountered that had a very tragic outcome.
I love the beautiful illustrations!
I want to go camping so much.🦌
I go camping a lot here in Scotland 🏴 so relaxing and stress free u should definitely try it someday
This is definitely a strange one!!
Thanks for sharing this Fella's story,and I hope his family do get answers one day..😕
Thank you!!
You’re doing great. The missing stories are fantastic. Keep up the good work. 👍
Hey, Adam! Thanks for another excellent upload. I appreciate you. ❤ ✌️
My pleasure! Thank you
This whole thing screams of foul play. The only reason why Ray locked the dogs in the camper and proceeded to scout the area without them is probably because he thought he was being hunted by someone and not by a predatory animal. Also, the fact that they found some of his hunting equipment by his backpack and his sidearm pistol in a meadow tells me something terrible happened and it wasn’t by a large predator. You also have to consider that the Royal Mounted Police must’ve thought the same thing. Why else would they bring a swat team fully loaded with automatic rifles if they were only taking part in a search and rescue. Clearly they believed they were going to encounter someone or a group of armed people which may lead into a full blown Fire fight. Personally I think the Canadian Authorities know much more than they’re telling and they intentionally botched the search and rescue for some unknown reason. What’s even more crazy about this whole situation is that this isn’t the first time the Royal Mounted Police intentionally mislead the searches and the public when it comes to a wilderness disappearance. I’m starting to think the Canadian government does this sort of thing frequently. Hopefully one day we and Rays family will know the truth but until then, I don’t trust the Canadian Authorities on this one. Not one bit.
Drug deal gone bad with govt participation. Ray may or may not have been involved. Hard to say without more info about him.
I'm thinking that it's squatch or dm that's why SWAT...
@@colleenblackwater4792 Yes it is very good possibility is was a sasquatch. Just watched this episode and wrote about what I believe could've been a tragic scenario for Raymond Salmen.
Clearly somethings amiss about that swat team! They know something more I bet!😮
My first thought was that exploring abandoned mineshafts sounds like a pretty risky pastime for a lone 65 year old man. As for what the SWAT team expected to find I think his brother's comment about him running into armed people in the woods who tried to give him trouble in the past is more likely what they expected to run into than bigfoot. The RCMP are notorious for being all "nothing to see here," especially when they don't know what's going on. They will grasp at the most plausible scenario and run with it just so they can close the book on something. But in this case it probably is most likely that he injured himself and his body is still somewhere out there. It sounds like there is also a distinct possibility of foul play.
He was abducted by something nefarious and the RCMP know it! He always took his dogs with him so they were locked inside the camper for a specific reason! The whole drowning thing is nothing more than a bullshit cover story so they could keep people at Bay from the real truth!! The RCMP is full of shit every which way from sunday!!
SWATwisted military out of hand
@@kevinpruett6424 WAY TWISTED MOFO'S!!
Another good video, thanks a lot, Adam 😊 I've just stumbled upon a huge poisonous centipede in my bathroom and couldn't go back to sleep. Here I am, watching the video in a dark bedroom, and the centipede doesn't seem that scary anymore)) There are worse things than centipedes out there 😅
EW! I have to ensure my bathroom drains and any tub/sink openings are not left unplugged/unsealed or I'll have spiders and I'm terrified of spiders. (We have wolf spiders - the size of dinner plates) so I know how you feel, lol! That may be how they're getting in. Good luck.
Omg...why I live in Alaska with brown bears...lol
@@isabellind1292I live in Alaska...brown bears. But when I see little spiders I throw pits and pans and get chainsaw out.
@@colleenblackwater4792 IKR?! I'd rather suffer from Trypophobia (a fear of bears). The chances are I won't run into a bear in my own bathroom, lol! Anything w/more than 4 legs is bad news! Keep your chainsaw locked & loaded! 🕷🕷🕷🗻🕷🕷🕷🕷
Aye I love the videos ! Thank u !
Even the most experienced hikers can run into trouble and being familar with a place doesn't make it completely safe either many people have disappeared in these places and many more will likely in the future
This is another awesome video. Thanks, Adam.
Seems a party may have gotten out of hand. I certainly lock my dogs away from danger, and I would definitely leave my ID behind so they could be taken home if needed.
I do believe I mightve just got back in the car and went home after driving out that far to search for someone and instead told to clean up a bunch of kids trash. That's a really strange story. Drowning don't make any sense with him locking the dogs up. You'd think they'd been with him. I could see leaving them in camper if he was going hunting. You eject shells after you've fired em or eject live shells to empty your gun. If you fire shots it's called firing or is that another one of RUclips weirdo things
Great video, as always!
This whole thing sound suspicious. It almost feels more like he stumbled on something he shouldn't have seen and they were doing all they could to cover it up for some reason. I suppose we'll never know.
Older man trying to quietly camp with his dogs, drunken party of (drugged up?) youths in same place. What could possibly have happened? ...
So many of your videos start with: so-and-so was an avid outdoorsman, skilled survivalist, etc.... and I'm just like, "welp, they're doomed." The other day I was thinking, "but why?" Well, I suppose the odds are much higher someone who puts themselves in those situations constantly is much more likely to run into trouble simply because they are there in the first place. By contrast, "disabled shut-in video-gamer VANISHED in the Appalachian Wilderness" is probably never going to be a video title on this channel (that'd be me lol). XD
YAY!!! Been hoping youd post soon!
People tend to go missing close to caves and abandoned mine shafts , a classic 411
The Lower Mainland which this is just outside of has a huge problem with substance abuse, if you were deeper in the bush I would think it was an animal but I got the vibe that it was definitely other humans that did this.
Also people need to be aware that yes Canada is vast yes we have huge wildernesses but just cuz somewheres in the bush doesn't mean it's in the middle of nowhere and this area is about as close to civilization and a population of 4 +million people as you can get.
And yes statistics might say there's only a little over three million people in the Lower Mainland but there's a lot of undocumented and a lot of transient people. Copious amounts..
He should have just driven out of there (if he was able to) when he locked the dogs up. IF that was him who shot the car lights out he may have felt he was being hunted? Maybe those kids did something to him, or know something, considering he felt the need to shot their lights out. Sometimes the most obvious answer is the answer
Feels like foul play is a possibility. A 65 year old man injuring himself or having a health emergency is also something you can never rule out... or perhaps he was getting buggered by bigfoot. or aliens... or both.
Great show Adam🎯
Canadian wilderness, really beautiful❤❤🇨🇦🇨🇦 However it's also kinda scary because of the sheer size of it...
Strange how such an apparently typical disappearance (not to say trivial, but common features with others, left so many questions unanswered, all of them really, and attracted so much attention from authorities. Really sounds like they'd prefer he wasn't foun. It does seem that he encountered something that terrified him. Then again, if they knew he was already dead, they would have been exactly this low key about it/.All National parks, including Canada's, need to be under more supervision. They are like little colonies where only some insiders control everything, including releasing information. Great job on this case!
Sounds like the police knew a lot more than they were allowed to say. I'd say the poor guy ran into some terrifying cryptid and fell victim to it.
Or government program....
This video was just brought to my attention and I am surprised by the accuracy of all the facts. I'm always glad that missing people are not forgotten. The more people that are aware of these stories may someday make a difference. Thanks for the accurate reporting.
This is definitely a weird one. Evidence feels weird and definitely feels like the authorities were hiding something. However, I have no idea what that could be. Maybe some armed criminals were in the area, and the authorities didn't want potentially useful searched to panic and desert the area? Maybe something more nefarious but again i have no clue what it could be.
Awesome work again broski.
Why didn't the authorities look into the kids at the graduation party?
Thank yoy Top Mysteries. I like your speaking voice & your story telling.
certainly an interesting one, thanks for posting sir! i think the best and simplest theory for what happened is that ray fucked around and found out. i can totally see an older man whos been going to a spot for years be a bit crotchety and yell/threaten the kids at the party to respect nature, etc. and it got to a point where ray intentionally shot at the car and camper for whatever reason (retaliation, escalation). perhaps the first three shots were a legitimate call for help and the second set was intentionally aimed. the dogs were locked up for their protection. it escalated and ray was killed. his bag was left near enough to camp that someone that night couldve placed it there to throw folks off the trail. the pistol couldve been legitimately dropped (mistake, forced to, etc.) or placed there after the fact. no body was found because it was easier to haul ray out and dump him somewhere else than to carry it into the woods. quite obvious ray didnt drown “accidentally.”
Just so you know Harrison hot spring is also known as Sasquatch territory and the area for most sightings in Canada
What makes them believe that the person with the shot up car wasn’t harassing the shooter? I could have been self defense.😟
Yes this seems to make more sense to me.
Great job on this video.
One possibility is that if someone wanted to take Ray for whatever reason, that someone or something could have directed Ray to put the dogs in the camper so they couldn't attack possibly.
It makes sense to me that he wound have locked the dog's up if he was going out on the water. I've had to do this with my own dog's before. They'd try to swim after me in my canoe.
They know something that's why they told em don't search no more cause they knew what it was
There are seevral cases where searchers hear three distress shots fired and yet when they look in the areas, not trace of the person is found. Sometimes even calls for help are heard and when searchers hone in on the areas, there is nothing. Hike alone or separate, and know you could disappear without a trace.
I love your videos. Honestly I've never heard of anything like these, I'm just not a news watcher. I appreciate all of the research you do on each missing person & situation. 😊💜🇺🇸
The Dogs are key here and so is the presence of an armed SWAT team after his disappearance. Perhaps they had the thoughts I'm having, that a very large and very fast predator [ like Dogmen or Sasquatch ] came in to take the dogs as dinner and Ray quickly put them in the camper, pulled a gun on said predator or predators, causing him to be snatched up and taken instead. There are also countless stories where a man has a weapon in his hands and the Bigfoot before him immediately becomes enraged, that they know what guns are. Some of these survivors say that they placed the weapon on the ground and the Sasquatch turns and leaves them standing there. Many have also reported that they were just barely able to pull the trigger on one of these strange creatures, the Dogmen are extremely volatile. The SWAT Team was probably called in by police who had experiences with the aftermath of attacks and disappearances in the wilderness areas by these creatures. They aren't allowed to admit what they know so many of the truths in these cases may never be known. This is only my opinion. Thank you for all your hard work friend.
This seems as close as we maybe will ever get for sure....we dont know do we what breed of dogs they were???? Had it been humans i think he would have let his dogs defend him but he knew they would easily be killed by a hungry or just vicious Dogman or Gugwe and he fled the area also to protect his dogs pursued by the whatever and held at bay for a while by his gun ;the 3 shots could have been a v urgent cry for help to get a car to stop as a last resort seeing he had no range up against the lake to shoot in time to save himself from a fast close attack
Yeah I thought the same thing. I was thinking maybe him and the dogs were sleeping in the camper and he heard and or seen something and then went outside with his firearm and locked the door to protect his dogs. But dogmen or bigfoot were the first thing that came to mind. The government and police know of these things and for sure would come in hot with automatic weapons. Maybe the person who's car got shot or other campers reported seeing a dogman or bigfoot that's how the cops got alerted to the threat? Aliens are also a possibility but if that were the case I don't think the swat team would of been necessary.
I don't think Ray would've actually shot directly at the vehicles just to "get their attention". There has to be a better explanation for that.
Don't go into the woods alone. This world is not what it seems. Its an ancient place, a place capable of nightmares. You've been warned
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Agreed. I live in the woods and everyone is always making fun of our ways saying we're superstitious or worse, but we don't do anything that isn't a necessity because it such hard work to live here. Don't wear brights, whistle in the woods, turn your clothes inside out when lost, don't take anything offered or eat anything from strangers, don't listen to what whispers tell you, if you see something-no you don't, prostrate yourself and keep you're eyes closed if you can't get out of the way of woodlords hunting party.
We live in California coastal Redwoods woodlands
Del Norte country. It's very rural, when the Pacific Ocean fog blows in during late Spring until late Summer it's dense and muffles sounds. June gloom fog generates enough water to keep massive Redwoods fully hydrated until late summer rains return.
Tourism is the backbone of Del Norte county's entire economy so when people go missing its kept quiet.
Never go hiking alone & definitely never camp alone as there's miles of dense temperate rainforest were cougars hunt silently & large populations of black bears roam however it's creepy unhinged folks that pose the greatest threat.
At night the fog blows in dense & thick Redwood tree needles collect water droplets it's almost like rainfall coming down upon the forest floor.
It chilly at nightfall even in Summer always pack accordingly & never camp alone or unarmed.
@@sarahoshea9603are you ok 😂😂😂😂
I disagree with all the speculations. The very moment you said that he had been there many times I knew what most likely had happened. The "authorities" must look further into his personal life. It was not Ray who shot the headlights out of the car, but the person who had kidnapped Ray, to make sure that they were not spotted in the lights of the oncoming car. That spot is where authorities should have started. The fact there were a lot of people partying, etc., means that it was easier for Ray to get taken, unnoticed. Ransom was not the reason -- check his very personal life and what he may have been hiding from his wife. I think whoever killed him for whatever reason dumped his body in one of the mines Ray was planning on exploring and then went to great effort to sprinkle Ray's belongings everywhere to create confusion. When a crime is suspected on federal land, federal authorities do take over.
I thought exactly the same in regards to the shooting out of the headlights. My theory was that he was killed and in the process of being bundled into the back of a car or truck and another car came along, so they shot the headlights out to scare the driver away from there. Incidentally though, I did wonder why they didn't test the bullets to see if they matched his gun or not. Maybe whoever killed him had asked for his help fixing their car, so he shut his dogs in the camper thinking they'd just get in the way while he helped them fix their car. I think you are right with the random scattering of his belongings.
Best comment.
I was searching for a comment like this. I also thought this was more likely what happened.
There is a reason David Paulides put this story in his most recent documentary: Missing 411 The UFO Connection. This missing person case is very strange. Dave interviewed Rays wife Daniella. None of it makes any sense.
His sidearm just laying at the top of a hill in the grass but No other items of his were laying there. Nothing but your gun. Hmmm....why would you drop your gun at thevtop of a hill. But your gone, vanished. Yet strangely some of your items are actually found but a distance away from the gun you left at the top of the hill. Im trying to look at this in a personal perspective. Its hard to figure out what was truly going on here. What really happened out there in that forest to this 65 yr old experienced camper.
Isn’t Harrison Lake area known for Sasquatch sightings?
Yes
gonna re listen to this one agian.
So interesting. Thank you.
The dogs were probably locked inside because the nearby party. Its really not weird that the swat team was there, they'll use all available resources including military if they can.
Define fully armed squads. Civilians tend to exagerate what fully armed means.
I wonder if he decided to go check out some mines close by and locked the dogs away so they wouldn't get hurt when he climbed down a mine shaft? A likely senario is after the mine trip he then decided to go for a swim to cool down but when he got out of the water a bear or predator came and knocked him down, where he then let of shots to frighten the predator or to get help, which is why the car headlights where shot, because he was on the ground? then he got up and ran up the hill to get away from the predator chasing him and that's where he dropped the gun because he couldn't use it to shoot anymore cause he ran out of bullets. Then further on the predator caught him or he fell inside the mine when escaping. So I think that they may want to have searched in the area where the gun was found and any mines that where near by.
Yeah coz they haven’t done that huh 😂😂🙄typical know it all woman sit down mutt
Ray was so smart and intelligent of living in the wood and rafting so gifter of understanding the woods that he went missing in the woods and was never found again.... Mmm K.. I guess he was so gifted and smart that He Became the Wilderness
Thank you TM🙏💔🤔
People are coming up missing as i speak.. thousands of people are coming up missing permanently.. campsite are marked for a reason.. you stay in your site.. there's predator's out there that think you are a tasty meat sack.. this story is scary
Bigfoot Dogmen
Why eject a shell to call for help when firing it would work better ? Odd
I love these channels!!
Salmon, as in the fish!!! Lol.x
Twenty times over twenty years,
is once a year.
how truly bizarre. I was wondering about his life story, was he just a regular guy, or did he have a murky past? you can pack a lot into 65 years. I can't work out what the RCM were doing, especially the secrecy.
In Canada headlights are always on when the car is on, or "running lights" also it is common practice to turn on your headlights on logging roads during the day.
It was probably a nice bag and one of those upstanding officers decided he or she needed it. Sure wouldn't be the 1st ones did something like that
What if Ray couldn't unlock the dogs? Maybe the trouble started as soon as he got out of the vehicle? Did he shoot the car on purpose or did someone else shoot Ray's weapon? Maybe he was disarmed and no longer alive and someone shot at potential witnesses or authorities and later took Ray's stuff to the beach, the wrong tracks? One or more attackers, psycho, poachers..? . I wouldn't bet the body was in the water. If a possible attacker (or more of them) realized after the shooting that he had time to hide the body and cover his tracks, the body may have been dislocated from the camp. Searches are slow, it takes time to gather people, so while moving, walking slowly, it is difficult to monitor around you and in front of your feet. Dogs aren't perfect, they can miss tracks. My shelter is 10-15 meters from the path, hikers and dogs never see or smell it. Depending on the terrain, but I think in this case there are enough locations to hide the body around the camp. There's always a notch, a pit, something, it doesn't matter how big or small the forest is. Or, you don't have to be far from the track, but break your leg and you're in a lot of trouble, hikers can get through without you seeing each other. Everyone who's a little more serious in the woods knows these things. ... The story is so chaotic that it doesn't look like an accident to me, I'd rather say it's a crime.
He could have been protecting his dogs from a bigger dog. Dogman!!
This REEKS of a cover up by the Mounties! They knew something right after they found out he was missing.
Rcmp know a lot more than they are sharing or letting others in on.
Every time the howling wolf sound plays my cat gets freaked out 😂
That area has a lot of grizzly bears right?
No, they are critically endangered in that area.
I think this is a clear case of foul play. If he had a gun to his head and was told to lock the dogs in or they’d be killed, he would have. Or if he’d heard or seen someone threatening in the area he may have locked them in and gone out with his gun to defend himself and his dogs. We know there have been strange and possibly dangerous people in the area. They could have killed Ray and disposed of him somewhere else entirely. The gun was probably just tossed into a random spot as well as his clothes. It’s a shame the RCMP dismissed the idea of foul play
headphones on at 4 minutes into the video, I was immediately under the table 360 degrees secured 😂
Someone or something was wrestling the gun away from this man while he was trying to use it to defend himself. Hence the shots going astray. 😊 The folded clothes is far too common in these missing persons case… no injured human, or human in distress, is folding and stacking their clothes. 🤯
Locking up the dogs suggests he fully expected to return to them. My money is on him going to lecture the party people about respecting the place and they did him in.
The scattered belongings being red herrings, likely one or more of the peeps had a mountie as a relative, hence the shoddy investigation.
agreed completely!!! older guy, been goin to the same spot for years. can definitely see that going down
@@secretagent5954 yup, and for all we know he could have marched over there real mad and shot those lights out on the car, and been offed in self defence. I guess we'll never know for sure it's just thats the only scenario that makes sense imo
A realistic notion indeed. 👍🫣✌️
It was sasquatch.
Or dogman
I’m not saying that it is or isn’t what happened to Ray, just putting it out there…Harrison Lake is the location of many, many Sasquatch sightings and encounters.
There's some similarities here with the David Horesay, Frederick Hardisty case. In both scenarios there were shots discharged with no explanation from experienced hunters and in both scenarios the home base was locked up and the subject left the camp behind despite the potential threat out in the wilderness. Both cases also happened in Canada. Creepy.
Unfortunately he most likely ran into trouble and ended up perishing in the wildernesses i hope his body is found soon at least to give closure to his family
Im 45 yr old and have spent thousands of hrs in the woods and know beyond a doubt that there is a large unknown threat out there. Ive been stalked more then once. And the government definitely knows whats going on but there nit going to admit that
I may have missed it in the video, but did the authorities mention if the sidearm that was found in the fueld still loaded, or emptied of bullets?
To be fair I don't think he chose the worse possible location to disappear from! I'm sure he didn't say well I think I'll just disappear and let me choose what will be considered the worse possible place to disappear from instead of choosing the best possible place to disappear from. I'm sure he didn't mean to disappear at all and wanted to go back home to his life happy, healthy and well!
I think it was just a figure of speech.
Hyperbole. Statements said with exaggeration for a certain effect. Not to be taken literally.
Ray went to the mines, that's why he left the dogs, and once he entered he never came out.
I have heard a few times that, the RCMP are not a helpful presence in many situations from this incident, to many indigenous peoples of Canada, who disappear and no investigation is undertaken... or if it is, its...as they say....half hearted to useless. it is really infuriating to know that, so called authority never divulges any info that helps in situations such as this.
Sounds like a good ol' X-FIles adventure. Something was out there, and they knew it.
Oh dear, as soon as my son heard your voice, he started yelling Let’s Get Bizarre!!!!! Maybe I listen a little too much??
First off the thing that bothers me is his side arm because in Canada because we are not allowed to take a pistol into the bush legally its only allowed to be transported to and from a gun range in a locked case with a trigger lock on it and if you are caught to the contrary you would lose all your weapons because they would be confiscated. Just saying, Cheers
There's absolutely no reason for ERT or SWAT teams to be involved in a missing person case unless they thought he'd gone all First Blood in the woods or there was a serious threat suspected.
Or because gunshots were heard. Nothing strange about this case.
There’s some kind of incorrect reporting or a misunderstanding going on here. A sidearm refers to a pistol. It’s illegal to carry a pistol in Canada. So, even someone like myself who is allowed to own restricted firearms cannot legally walk around with a pistol even in the wilderness. If he were carrying one, he was risking losing his firearms license and having all of his guns confiscated.
Also, ERT would have been sent in to clear the area before SAR teams out of safety concerns. It would have been to ensure that an armed person didn’t harm one or more of the searchers.