Are these my NEW SHAFTS? | Mitsubishi MMT Graphite Iron Shafts
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Today Lee tests out the Mitsubishi MMT irons graphite shafts to see if they are an option for his future iron choices. Should more people look at graphite shafts? Is this graphite shaft going to change the way we think about shafts? Only one way to find out.
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Went to lighter weight graphite shafts in my Apex irons a couple of years ago, never looked back, plus bag is way lighter to carry :) One word of warning though I originally stuck with my standard heavier steel shafts in my Vokey wedges, really struggled with full shots with the wedges as they felt so different, so in the end went to lighter shafts in the wedges to blend better, you may not notice but thought I'd mention. Great vid. stay safe.
noted thank you
I use SteelFiber shafts in my irons which I think have a similar concept to the MMT shafts - absolutely love them, get the stability of steel shafts with the lightness and ease of graphite shafts. So not a surprise that the MMT is such a good shaft
But Lee you definitely need some more lessons from Dan to get that launch and spin in a more sensible window. With a 33 degree 7i you should be getting 5800-6400 rpm and a descent angle closer to 46 or even 47 degrees.
Finally your idea of a nice easy swing is just so much faster than my flat out swing. I am definitely jealous
Di it Lee, you know that you want to! 👍😊
I have been playing the KBS Tour Graphite shafts in my Irons for a couple of years and will never go back to steel. They are so smooth and I get a much tighter dispersion than I did with steel shafts.
I am currently playing DG R300. It's basically what's been rammed into every golf club I've ever played.
OK, I started with S300 for a short while, realised it was too stiff and re-shafted to R300. This was in the days before the advent of launch monitors and the extra data they brought with them.
I'm still a regular flex, (although we all know that flex is not standardised across the industry), but I do feel that having slowed down a little over the last few years, I could probably benefit from lighter shafts. Not only from the reduction in effort needed to swing them, but with a hope and a prayer that U can regain a little lost length.
I watch your video and you obviously have a very strong swing and benefit from a heavier shaft. Not even looking at all the spin and ball speed figures, you even manage to gain on carry distance. The stiffer shaft obviously suits your stronger swing with ball speed increasing off the face. It is probably also the case that with the added tip stiffness and torque resistance you are also presenting the club face more squarely to the target line.
How about doing a video with someone like me? A guy who is a little past his best who is actually decreasing in speed and losing length with heavier shafts.
I don't want to criticise your presentation, it is very good, but it doesn't help my particular case.
I am looking at re-shafting my clubs from 127g DG R300 to something in the mid range that perhaps hits the ball a little higher, but gives me a bit more carry. If I stick with True Temper I thought about DG 105 R300.
I'd like to see a comparison between these two closely related shafts from the point of view of a golfer needing to actually go lighter rather than go heavier.
Do you have any advice in this respect?
The 105 is a great shaft, in fact I was testing it today albeit in the stiff version. But the less weight and added launch will be a good change. The heavy R300 shouldn’t be the industry standard in shop shelf stock imo
@@LWG My story is that I have a set of AP2 712s (Titleist) 3-PW. Although I bought them literally when they were launched, they still look mint. This is due to the health problems that started just after I started playing with them. First a hip replacement then a triple bypass. I realise that golf clubs have moved on in the last 9-10 years, especially and specifically with the reduction in lofts, the partial obsolescence of the 3 iron and the almost total obsolescence of the 1 and 2 iron. The art of hitting the long iron i9s virtually dead. Much of this was in order to force the purchasing players into buying more expensive easy to play hybrids, but the other knock on effect was at the other end of the scale with wedge gapping.
At 66 years old and still a tidy golfer (I played as low as 3 and now play off 9), if a little slower, I'm not likely to qualify for the Open anytime soon. I'm happy to plod on with what I've got, all of which I have tailored around "my" game. Before all the health problems, I could carry a 7 iron comfortably 140 yards and my other clubs were dialed in off that club. That was with Dynamic Gold R300 at 127g a shaft.
I have had limited access to trying a few different lighter shafts, but these could only be trialed using the interchangeable system employed by the Taylormade Fitting Cart. I couldn't actually try a DG 105 R300 in my 7 iron head. The shaft was a proprietary DG 105 VSS Pro R300, the head I had to use was a TM P770 7 iron. This is 2° stronger in loft and 3 points heavier in swing weight, so the figures and performance is/are somewhat tainted and don't give an accurate comparison as to distance gained or pretty much anything else for that matter.
I have to think that a lighter shaft will benefit me in ways other than the objective, which was to enable me to regain some or all of the 10 yards I have lost. They will be less fatiguing to swing over a round or a 100 basket of balls at the range, hopefully. But that distance loss is still niggling me. I don't want to start messing with my lofts and I don't want a new set of clubs.
But it has been so difficult, because that is all I'm getting from certain quarters. All they want is to sell me new clubs. They are not interested in retro-fitting.
My own club pro has, to be fair, been most helpful, but I am still a little lost and in the dark and feel I am taking a gamble on total re-shafting. I think perhaps my pro is realising my uncertainty and has offered to initially re-shaft just my 7 iron and then I can go try it, which is really what I would have preferred from the outset.
It would have been good though if I could see more comprehensive comparisons with a view to improving a senior golfer's lot by displaying what options are open as regards shaft change as we get older. I do not believe that it should go without saying that at a certain age you should automatically change everything in your bag to graphite.
I have seen older players go from a regular steel shaft to a graphite and their game has gone to pieces. Where they were always straight down the middle, although shorter, they are now all over the place and in many cases worse off. I have no intention of going to the extreme of graphite. I have to believe that there are still some steel shafts out there that will suit my game.
I have Aerotech Steelfiber 95i shafts in my Mizuno MOP-20 HMBs, and they feel much better than the Project X LZ in my JPX-900s. The lighter shaft seems to make the club feel just a bit head-heavy, but not to the point of affecting the swing.
Just got fit into MMT as stock from Mizuno. More height spin and distance. I was playing elevate 95 in my current irons so this video is a great comparison
Just bought a set of Apex Pro 21 irons with mmt 90 shafts..Can't wait for them to arrive after struggling with DG Tour S400 134gram shafts..
Lee I have always been a low ball hitter with a natural hook/draw and plenty of distance, 6 iron on down always came in low and hot with a hard time holding the greens. So over forty years ago I used my uncle's lie loft machine to add 2 degrees to all my irons, since distance was not a problem and I needed the elevation on irons shots this worked out fantastic. Now today and in my mid 70's I still do the same thing with these new low lofted irons, I mean for hell's sake they got pw's at 44 degrees. So 50 degree gap wedges are bent to 52 degrees and on down through (all) my sets of irons, the highest loft I carry is a 55 degree SW bent to 57 degrees. Now to graphite irons shafts been using them 12 or so years, they gave me back distance I'd lost through aging plus more elevation, so I definitely advise graphite shafts and bending iron heads til you get the heights you need. Good video, thanks.
You should definitely try the Modus 3 105 shaft in x. I use the stiff (but am also fine with the regular) and it is simply the best iron shaft I have found.
Just got these with my Sub70 TAIII irons. Best iron and shaft combo I've ever played.
just went full fuji pro 95I graphite and mci wedge graphite shaft in all my apex cf19. never looking back. they also make a 125. I tried both, and I like the fuji better.
Aerotech Steelfiber all the way for irons if you want to go down the lightweight shafts route but require the stability a heavier steel shaft offers.Matt kuchar and Brant Snedeker have used them for years.I have the i95 in my irons and they are so stable,Only downside is they are expensive.
After an iron fitting last week I will get this shaft together with the TM P770 (4i - pw). Have to wait several weeks for the set to arrive... Your vids are so good!
DId they come in yet do you like them?
I moved out of a Nippon 105 to a Zelos 7 but really found my best in a Mitsubishi C6 70 gram. It’s less stress on my elbows and is giving me better club head speed more control, forget the old graphite today’s graphite is completely different
I've become more interested in graphite shafted irons especially as I'm now starting to get a few aches and pains. I built my own as an experiment using some second hand Taylormade TP 90's and Dynacraft heads. Just need to test them out on the course, not long now. Varied and interesting content Lee, keep up the good work 👍
Still loving the vids Lee, but not sure on the FSXPro ... The foresight range looks better when hitting down a range. Might just be me .. will see what others think
It shows the data, ill see if i can chase the ball in this view
Just switched to MMTs over the winter and have played 5 rounds with them and love them so far. I use the 125tx thought about going to lighter ones but I fear about losing the club with light shafts
What is the iron head pairing? What swing weight did you end with?
Lee try the KBS TGI Graphite shafts if you can. Had them fitted to my Mavrik pro irons and they launch slightly higher and with more spin for me. i swing at 82mph for my 7 iron and they feel superb.
Were you really surprised the shaft called 'Elevate' was launching higher? Similar spin but higher launch sounds preferable? Maybe try the Elevate 115 ETS to tighten that dispersion?
Would be nice to compare the mmt’s to the aerotech steelfiber shafts. Aerotech is the original cie to combine graphite and steelfibers i think
Sounds great. I am using graphite in my irons and a selection of wedges. I would be a player with a slower swing speed though. For sure graphite looks good.
I have been wanting to try graphite shafts in my irons, so a good video to watch. I agree lighter iron shafts can work. I had the KBS 90 Tour stiff in my Wilson V6s, but i hit them high and they stalled. I moved to DG 105 and much better flight. I would love to try these shafts.
Great video Lee, thank you. Will be useful when I get fitted for new irons in May. All the best from Canada!
interesting how the best combination was mixing the oldest technology with the newest! Love the paradox.
New shafts, new irons new lee lol damn fine work lee...again lol
Is the low launch/spin not just down to what you deliver in your swing?? 14deg launch and 4k spin seems mega low for a 33deg 7.
I have the UST/Mamiya 660 Recoil shafts which work well for me. I have played graphite shafts in my irons for years.
I think you'll see more of an increase in spin if you change the ball as opposed to the shaft. And you can weaken the loft in apex pros with mmt and a higher spinning ball would be a dreamy set up!
Great video! Graphite iron shafts have come a long way. Really glad to hear you say you need to weaken your lofts rather than chasing higher launch and spin with the shaft. That combined with a higher spin ball will help more than any shaft change.
I went from 115g shaft to a xp 95 in my srixon z585s i bought Lee. I get much better distance and accuracy with steel light/mid weight shafts. I hate the weight and feel in heavy shafts
Switched from kbs130 c-tapers to aerotech i110s. Never going back to steel shafts.
Maybe try something with lower CG , they have compact players irons that still have that high launch you’re needing
PXG offers MMT as stock !!!!
The best deal on line is the 0211ST new forged blade with no weight screws from PXG and YES the MMT is a stock offering in Graphite no upcharge and the Elevate 95 in steel no upcharge. The biggest surprise is the price! Not telling you! Go look at the PXG website and be prepared to be shocked!
@@JohnnyDSR got the 0211 DC best clubs I've ever used for the money 890 bucks 4 to lob wedge irons 89 each !!!! crazy !!! too bad HERO deal is over .
Totally different shafts from the generic they come with.
Graphite is great in irons. Much easier on back too.
i use recoil graphite shafts in my irons. they are great. i should of switched years ago
How do these compare to Steelfiber iron shafts? The Steelfiber shafts seem stiff to flex to me.
Any experience with mmt wood shafts? Do you know where the shafts are produced?
You need to try the 105 TX version of that shaft. I have them in my Apex Pro/Apex mb combo and love them. very stable ball flight.
How would you compare these shafts to the Modus 105x shafts? Trying to decide between these but haven't had the chance to hit the MMT 105TX shafts.
MBs going in the bag!!!!
There is a 125 TX option as well
Lee try a high launch ball high trajectory like prov1x
Great review Lee. Looking forward to your review of the Apex Pro. Any chance you could review them with the Elevate 115 vs the MMT?
Can do 👍🏻
Hi!
I am moving into graphite. I am between the MMT and the UST Recoil 95 ( or Prototype 95). Have you tested them? Can you tell me anythig in comparison to the MMT?
Thank you!
I play elevate 95 in stiff...mmt 95 the right choice for me?
I would love graphite in iron but the cost is crazy🤣
I actually looked and these were same price as steel with callaway
im playing project x 6.0 and im planning to change my irons, and the stock shafts available in the mmt are 95s and 105tx, which one should i pick? should i pick hte one that weight closer to my current gamer or the closer in flrx? Thanks
MB + MMT that’s the combo alright 👌
Felt soooooo good
Could you please do a review on the Ping Blue print irons?
Lee, have you thought about testing those shafts with the tcb heads?
Unfortunately the tcb doesn’t come with a fitting head. But I am contemplating a tcb/MB combo set
that’s pretty low spin with a 7 iron Lee - are you happy with that ?
Swinging well today !!!
Thank you
What was the specific MMT shaft were you using? Weight wise?
If I don’t say in the video then I’m not sure. This was filmed quite a while back mate
Around 8.55 into the video the data table is labelled MMT 95s, so unless its a typo I'd say 95g stiff.
Taper or parallel boss?
What weight is that shaft Lee and what iron does it come as an option with
95G STIFF and APEX21
Wow, you hit a very low ball for such a high lofted 7 Iron. Not a bad thing, would work well here on the Links courses I play along the beach in North Carolina (windy).
Lee great stuff
Hi Lee , coming from a friend so do take offence, if you need more peak height / steeper decent and more spin , shouldn't you be using a more forgiving/ aided club
lofts are too strong and I smash it past 200 with a 7 iron, for me that's unplayable.
@@LWG theres the next video for you .
Alter the lofts on a forgiving iron , match it up with say a player's iron and compare , love to see the miss hit difference
Well it looks like probably another 2 changes coming up but not before we start playing again but probably not long after lol
😂😂🤦♂️
Lee did you test the MMT 125tx or 105tx or less? I did some testing w/-apex pro 21 and it was low spin as well. Liked them but concern was that the club head is too light... I tried the x100 and it was still low spin
No we don’t have those shafts in the kit
Would this shaft work for 63 year old senior? Subscribed today.
There is a variant of it flex wise that will work for you depending on swing speed
You will never know if you don't try put those shafts in the blades and get out on the course 👍👍👍👍
OH ITS HAPPENING 😂
Got these shafts in my pxg 0211 irons they feel great
I’m using the MMT, mid 90’s swing speed with my 7, they are absolutely superb not a chance Im going back to steel!
Their are 2 types of the MMT iron shafts though, the taper shafts are mid/low launch and the parallel tip are mid.
What mmt shafts are you using ? Im around 90-92 and i cant stop thinking about getting some Apex pros with MMT shafts !
Which flex did you get?
@@rickhammel9541 stiff
Do you always spin your irons so low ? I noticed in other review that your spin is insanely low !
I do now lol
Can you do a vid to explain how you've gone from being too spinny and not enough spin. Or have I missed that vid.
Done a few video about decreasing loft mate.
You are literally half swinging the first few shots and still carrying 180