Wow! I didn't know Sammy made all of those claims about album sales. The one that always drives me crazy is when he claims he was just as popular as Van Halen when he joined the band. He wasn't even close. Having said that, I learned to like him in Van Halen even though I much preferred Dave. I love Dave's studio voice and the way he sounds on albums. I think Dave's lyrics are more fun and clever as well. That was a great video. I love hearing opinions about Van Halen. I love Eddie and to me he is near perfect. I am really bothered my how Michael Anthony has been treated though. I must ask, where did you get that t shirt? That is sooooo cool!
@Jerry Woods The Van Halen Brothers wanted Sammy from day 1. Roth can't sing high notes plus he is a misfit. Very odd dude. Everyone involved with music knows Sammy has the better voice. Way way better
@mattbywater7347 Everyone outside of music liked Dave's songs better so what is your point? Also Hagar sounds like he was told to sing every song as if it were his last and that he was constipated at the same time. Hagar is a douche unless you like man perms
Saw VH three times with the original group. The best and most exciting concerts experience of my life. The energy and heat collected on that stage was intoxicating. Then I was VH on 5150. What a tragic transformation. I’d always liked Sammy solo (well...kinda). But all the brains and creativity had left the room. Suddenly, they were nothing more then a very AOR rock band. Faceless, bland and corporate. With David, VH were legendary. Gods of rock music.
@@mattbywater7347 Sammy is like the most uncool, corny frontman in rock. Englebert Humperdinck had a ‘better’ voice too. Maybe he should have fronted instead??? Daves voice was Van Halen. Van Halen died when Dave left, period!
@looking_33 Hagars voice blows Dave's away. It's not even close all people who know music agree. Any singer will tell you. Why isn't Dave singing now? He can't he sounds terrible. Michael Anthony carried him for Yeats. Daxe can't sing high notes. Look at the interview with Edfie yelling how he loves Sammy because he can cover all ranges. Ed and Akex both say the same. The VH Brothers tell it like it is. Sammy has given millions to Charity.
I've never really cared for Hagar's voice either. I could never really explain why but what you said about it not having personality pretty much sums it up.
Roth is easily one of the best rock vocalists of all time. His voice has character, slighly rough hewn but with soul and had an excellent sense of songwriting dynamics. His Lyrics were inventful & he had a witty personality. His look & stage prescence the top of the heap. \m/💀\m/
@Brandon Mayes thanks man,even though i like some of the Van-Hagar music,to me there was something missing and it was what touched me the first time.The symbiose between Dave and Edward's spirits that create Van-Halen. Music to me is all about feel and sometimes people will ask me :"what's your favorite V-H song?" and i'll answer it depends on how i feel at the moment.
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Also, should be mentioned that, as you point out, having the #1 album means nothing back then if you didn't have the album sales in the long run. VH with Dave sold WAY more albums than VH with Hagar, despite the #1 albums and songs. Nothing Hagar did can top VH's first album with Dave, and 1984 was so big, everyone I knew back then owned it. Even people that didn't ever listen to VH before that. It had massive radio play with Jump and Panama, and Hot For Teacher was in rotation on MTV like every hour. As you say, only Michael Jackson was bigger that year.
5150 is one of my fave Van Halen albums, but at the same time, I totally respect people's opinions about Van Hagar, etc. Because to me, they should have changed the name of the band maybe, especially seeing as they only did 2-3 songs from the Roth era. Ridiculous with how the setlists went, if even the Cherone era did more old school stuff than Hagar era. I think if Hagar would've swallowed his pride and sang more Roth stuff it would have been a little better received- how in the hell did they get away with playing that little of Roth era stuff? Again, if they are replacing potential Roth era songs with solo Hagar songs and COVERS (which they did even on the 5150 tour, just played THREE Roth era songs I believe), to me that was a huge mistake even early on. No Mean Streets? No Unchained? Ludicrous. Or change the name of the band, it's obviously a different group (though i like both).
You nailed it and I've mentioned that multiple times. Hagar completely shit on VH fans. The Roth stuff he did sing was kind of lame. "Jump", "You Really Got Me", Ain't Talkin' Bout Love", "Panama"(the best cut of those 4) and that's it. Good thing I saw it on video cause I would have been pissed to see that live in 1986. Gary Cherone did not try to impose any Extreme stuff on the crowd and did a bunch of cool DLR era material.
They had about 30 originals before they put the first album out, used most of them over the years, and even going up to A Different Kind of Truth,were still pulling songs from those old demos.
Writing excellent killer riffs, licks and solos (Eddie), groovy kick-ass-rhythms (Alex), pounding bass lines (Michael) or mouthy yet subtle lyrics (Roth) is not the same as writing a well composed song, like Toto oe Paul McCartney. Don’t get me wrong. I totally love Van Halen and other rock and metal bands. But rock music like Van Halen is usually not melodic enough to sing a long. You can often hear many many famous Beatles song sun by a street musician with an acoustic guitar. You will not have the same with Van Halen or Metallica.
Love that shirt !!! where did ya get it? plus i wasn't a Van Hagar fan myself . I think Sammy has a great voice..True NO ONE could touch the original VH in late 70's / 80's I seen them 25 times 3 with Hagar in no way Van Hagar was better than the original VH also Different kind of truth wasn't a bad album in my book but my favorites were 1st album and fair warning
I watched this video a year after it was posted. I had the opportunity to see VanHalen 4times--2 with Dave and 2 with Sammy. I must admit I still prefer DLR with VH. In concert, I wasn't disappointed with Dave because he was such a thrill seeker and always did the unexpected. I loved the Dave thing.
Dr. Fukk slapping the VanHagar Koolaid from these guys mouth tonight baby! Talking facts! Great video dude. About time someone called The Red Worm out for his fairy tales! Classic VanHalen Forever!
I hear you loud and clear on VH as well as Kiss. I remember clearly a friend of mine buying Balance on cassette and cranking it up and enjoying some of it (Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do, Can't Stop Loving You) but knowing it was eons less memorable than the lesser Dave material. That speaks volumes. As for chart placement, when it came out I recall there being writeups about how though it debuted at #1, how it "stalled" at 2x Platinum at the time; a pretty poor showing for a VH effort overall, but amazing for most anyone.
I agree with a lot of what you say but I read Sam's book and I never saw anything about Eddie teaching MA bass parts. Please provide a specific source.
“Hating Hagar makes me happy”- 5150 tour was one of my first concerts. I was 15. I saw Eat em and Smile tour too. I got into rock with Pyromania ,Out of the Cellar and the Crue. But when I heard VH I i was smitten. I had already heard 1984 but when I heard VH I it was over. I became Van Halen obsessed. I was also learning guitar so Eddie was the pinnacle of my attention. I did not grow up in a rock n roll house. I was the oldest and only music influence was my mom which was pop and some country. So the world of rock was all new. So when Van Halen put forth Van Halen with Sammy I was all in. Eddie could have brought a local cover band singer in and I would have been stoked. I was 15. HELLO BAAAAABY!!! Well for whatever it’s worth I love Sammy to this day. I hold Classic VH close close to my heart and revere VHI-1984 in higher ranks than Van Hagar but I think Sammy nailed it. I realize his short comings and so on but the homeruns he hit while in VH are undeniable. As far as his “lying”? I think your digging pretty deep and if you dug up most peoples skeletons you would uncover the same. Personally think ppl that like to dis on Hagar are just uptight. The guy had a damn good professional rock n roll run and if you think he gives a damn any of you naysayers opinions you're nuts. 5150!!!!
I'm still not sure if Sammy Hagar is the worst lyricist in rock? Anyone know if Sammy has ever written with a quality lyricist? Don't get me wrong, he can do the music side of things fine in my opinion - not my fave guy, but he is nowhere near the worst musician in rock, I feel. But the CONCEPT of his songs are always shallow. The double entendre is lame, and bad motor scooters are'nt interesting to anyone who can understand and appreciate a tale. Dave Lee Roth? Storyteller. Good one! Dave has great tales, deeper insights. 'Panama' can only be tackled by Dave. Hagar I think has got rock n' roll chops, but Dave understands the people a lot more, i feel.
Hey man, Sammy couldn't possibly be wrong about the number of albums he's sold. He's an amazing mathematician, as he himself admits in his autobiography. :)
Ask yourself: Why is it, that if Van Hagar is better, Why do radio stations play VAN HALEN, with only the very RARE Van Hagar tune. And it's usually "Love Walks In", or "Why Can't This Be Love?" Only to please the estrogen half of the radio listeners who need their love song fix.
I saw Sammy open for ZZ Top in 1983 at the Capital Centre in Landover/Largo, Md. I only remember him as an opening act before he found a golden egg in VH. #DiamondDaveForever
Great video! I like Sammy, but nowhere near as much as DLR, Dave has more personality. Also Van Halen played 3 nights in many cities on 1984 tour, in 1982 many 2 night stands, 1981 had 2 nights in some cities as well, in L.A. they played 3 nights in 81.
Dr. F I agree. I was at 1984 concert in Vancouver. Was my 1st concert and it goes down as one of the best I've attended. Van Halen wasn't known for MA's bass. He was the other half of Diamond Dave's vocals with his amazing high harmonies. You are also right about DLR being king of the show! He was amazing! I was never keen about Van Hagar either.
I wasn't allowed to go to that show I was too young to go to the Coliseum in Vancouver where I'm from. My first show was kiss and Anthrax March 11th 1988 in Vancouver. I've seen both versions of Van Halen but I didn't get to see Prime Van Halen 78-84
I agree with you about Dave was the best front man ever, the better albums were done during the Roth era. I do like Hagar, but I also like David Lee Roth solo stuff! Roth solo tours were awesome. Mickey is a bad ass bass player and great backing vocalist. Love that Dave shirt from VH 2!! Ssplaying
He may have been the best frontman in terms of showmanship but his vocals weren't great. He sounded good on the albums and the early tours but eventually he was showing up shitfaced and barely sang at all.
he didn't have to he put on a show probably best front man of his generation and pretty much stands today.its rock and roll boys doesn't always have to pretty it always just is
Van Hagar never liked Sammy when me and my friend's went to the Monsters of Rock at Foxboro stadium back in the 80's when VanHagar the last act to come on me and my friend's split lol nothing ever could compare to Diamond Dave 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Total respect for your opinion, Ralph. Though we differ on Hagar, I applaud your honesty. As for me, I've been a Hagar fan since '77. Love him solo, with HSAS, Montrose, Chickenfoot, etc. But like you, I could NOT STAND HIM in Van Halen. He turned a badass band (arguably the country's greatest hard rock band ever) into a pop embarrassment. But aside from VH, I love his music. As for personality, he always comes across as a super nice guy (I've never met him, nor do I know him, so my impressions are based solely on what I read and see in the media). Serious question, Ralph: have you ever considered inviting Eddie Trunk on your show to discuss Hagar? He seems like the ultimate Hagar cheerleader, while you (and your former co-host) seem like the ultimate Hagar detractors. Not looking for a verbal cage match; rather, a civil discussion about the man.
@@almosthuman56 Funny that Trunk would decline your invite, Ralph, as he'd have nothing to lose (re: the overly sensitive "Star Child" shunning him, etc. ). He's appeared on many KISS and other rock-based podcasts, so I wonder why he'd ignore yours. Your audience is big enough, I'd think. Oh well. His loss!
@@Eelgram Trunk would be good for talking about Megaforce, some Ace Frehley stories, anything to do with UFO. I just think it has to do with easily getting a hold of Hagar for an interview as to why he likes him - but if Sam hasn't flown Eddie on his personal jet to Cabo San Lucas and sent him home with cases of tequila, rum and a signed guitar... I guess he's not such a "great friend".
Was right there with you at the Hollywood Sportitorium.. . I’ve seen so many shows there, back in the day. Too bad it’s fucking gone, now. Those were the absolute best times to be alive! Lol.
Mark, you're absolutely right my uncle went to that show and told me the story everybody was chanting KISS Army when he was on stage. Great comment they did sell out three nights at the Garden and 77 on love gun
Damien Vivona Their first show at MSG in Feb of ‘77 was just one night and Hagar opened. When they returned In December of 77 after Love Gun (Alive II tour) came out and they had a new stage it was 3 nights with Detective opening one night and Piper the other two.
Mark, you're absolutely right that was the rock and roll over tour my uncle was at the rock and roll over and the love gun shows he has pictures from 77 that he shot..
I've never liked Sammy . Don't particularly care for his vocals, the lyrics that he's written are cheesy, many of his clothing choices are questionable, and he's generally a bit of a buffoon. That's just my opinion.
See ? He was always making fun of Dave...meanwhile he's wearing women's capri pants, and always looks like a clown. Dave was fun. Shame the guy had to grow old.
i first heard Sammy Hagar on the MONTROSE debut LP around 1979. Great singer. Also , liked his solo career in early 80's. Red Rocker. But, was never a fan of the Van Halen version with him. Some good songs. but i grew up on the Roth era. I saw VH on the Fair Warning tour, like you said, Best Frontman ever. He had the audience in his hand!
Van Hagar was good for fans who felt Boston, REO Speedwagon, Journey, Styx and Foreigner were getting too ballad heavy in the mid 80s. Rock music in soundtracks was something Irving Azoff was putting his acts into, which is why Hagar's name is on a ton of soundtracks (Heavy Metal, Up The Academy, Footloose, Fast Times At Ridgemont High, The Sure Thing, Vision Quest, Out of Bounds, Over The Top, Back To the Future II, Moving Violations). What I didn't like in his book is what he said about his ex-wife, the mother of his kids, who was with him through firings, signings, and couldn't help but complain that he had to pay her alimony - the "greatest hits album" - and making it sound like wife #2 could do no wrong (and probably spends more money on her in a weekend than he paid out in his divorce). The best part of the book was his attempt at procuring a wine collection using his tour rider and Irving Azoff throwing a wrench in it.
Those album sales need updated, look at the dates every time the RIAA checked, compare different albums & updates, KISS especially needs to be updated, they haven’t been checked since release.
I love this! We feel the same way you and I! It’s more about him as a person! Not to mention, all the bullshit that has gone on for that man’s ego! Thank you! Thank you!!!
I went and seen the same concert in Alabama with Bachman-Turner Overdrive and Van Hagar question when I saw them Baughman Rock but they had such a low volume with Van haggar came out it was more than twice as loud I also went to see Eddie play eruption and Bachman-Turner Overdrive I do like some of his solo songs but not one song of the van Hagar era
Playing first as Sammy is not the same as being a nobody opening first. If you are famous regardless of when you go on your not the opening act. Sammy didn't think of himself as an opening act after 79. Sammy was part of the main event.
I Totally agree with you I seen the 1984 tour,an a couple of his solo tours eatem an smile an another one after that which we're real good, he's a showman 👍
Very interesting and funny stuff! I do like Haggar's music (though not as much as original VH) but it does make me wonder about many other things he's said along the way. And hilarious to say VH was not that popular they exploded like an atom bomb while Haggar was just the can't drive 55 guy before that and I didn't even know his name.
Van Halen played Central NY a bit when I was young. I'm from Rochester NY. The only tour stop that they used a curtain on was in April 1979 in Rochester at the 10,000 seat War Memorial. Just the fact that they headlined there not long after their 2nd LP came out is pretty cool. I believe that's where the (live) promo videos for the 2nd LP were recorded, btw. I saw them in 1981. Great concert - like the best backyard party you ever went to with the best band, best crowd and best time. They played Rochester every year with DLR until 1982, when they played the Syracuse Carrier Dome. That's a 30,000 seater, so they were very big then with DLR. Hagar generally played smaller venues. I think he played our War Memorial in fall of 1979, but that was a triple-bill with Scorpions and Pat Travers. Roth sold out the War Memorial around 1986. Loud as Fook. It was so darn loud you couldn't tell one song from another. It's a shame, because he had a good setlist.
Heya This reminds me of that scene from airheads with the fake record lable person and they ask if the main characters ask "who do ya side with in the Van halan vs Dave Lee Roth" split. XD
I had the privilege of seeing VH on there 1st USA tour opening for Black Sabbath. As a 17 yr. old kid...blew me away. Sabbath shouldn't even have showed up, Ozzy was obliterated on drugs. I've seen all 3 lineups...Roth, even though he can't sing live...was the best. As far as American frontmen...Steven Tyler is in a league of his own. Makes DLR look like a clown
It's all a myth. People who claim to "like" Sammy Hagar are all just Sammy Hagar, himself, wearing different fake mustaches and pretending to be different people. So, if someone ever tells you "I like Sammy Hagar!" the proper response would be "Nice try, Sammy. It's obviously just you in a fake mustache. You're not fooling anyone...". (This has been a Public Service Announcement)
Sammy's a liar about roped off shows... I saw Van Halen 3 tours in a row in Dallas...the 1984 show sold 3 nights in a row...the first to do it at Reunion Arena. and my seats for the 3rd 1984 show were so bad, I was almost behind the stage....ticket said "Obstructed view". Snackonmyknob!
i bought the first van hagar album just because i had to hear van halen with sammy on vocals; and i dropped the needle; and the first thing i heard was "hello baby" and i knew then, this is gonna suck...
*Unlike Dave..., Sammy has a tremendous vocal range, low to high..., can actually sing in-tune live, and can actually play guitar... When I saw Van Hagar in 88', I got to see the band when they had two guitars, so like the albums, there was rhythm guitar behind the lead guitar, and on the tunes that Eddie played keyboards, there was rhythm guitar behind the keys... And why didn't Van Halen ever put out a live album or video until they had Sammy on-board? Maybe this clip from the 83' US Festival can explain why... Because Dave couldn't sing in time, in tune, or even remember his own words... They couldn't put out any live albums or videos with Dave because it would simply be too embarrassing and humiliating... And unlike Dave who copied his whole stage persona from someone else, (Jim Dandy from Black Oak Arkansas), Sammy, always, from day one with Montrose, was his own persona, being a complete original instead of a copy... And unlike Diamond Dave, Sammy never had a sad, "Las Vegas residency", period of his career... Sammy didn't need Van Halen, but Dave sure as hell did... Dave might have had a couple of cool supergroup albums and tours with Vai, Sheehan, and Bissonet, but they were only from name recognition, and he couldn't sustain the momentum... And who has had a steady successful career non-stop since the early 70's to this very day, Sammy, Dave, or the Van Halen brothers? Hmmm...? **ruclips.net/video/ZfwW_45z2E8/видео.html*
@@Clnt874 Nah... Davie blows... He could barely sing from 78' to 84'..., and he sounds awful now... And if he didn't have the VH brothers to lean on, he'd cease to have any semblance of a career... Sammy, on the other hand, had a successful career before VH, as well as afterwards to this very day... And Sammy sings better in 2020 than Davie did 78' to 84'..., in-tune and on the beat... Davie's a washed up has-been, while Sammy's still going as strong as ever...
@@Kreln1221 you are clueless, daves solo career even sold more than sammys and hes put out less albums!🤣😂🤣Even ted templeman who produced their albums said they wouldnt have made it without dave. DAVE invented their logo, wrote all the lyrics and melodies, stage shows, talked in most interviews etc etc. Get a clue b4 bashing one of the greatest frontmen in rock history from your basement. Roths studio voice sounds 10 times better than sammys by the way. No one cares how techincal your voice is if it sounds like shit🤷♂️
I agree Michael Anthony didn’t deserve that treatment
Even Pete Best was told he was out of the Beatles- poor form by the brothers
More than anything vh misses Michael Anthony's backing vocals.
@@Bigchet1223 exhibit A: Dance the Night Away
There is NO Van Halen without Michael Anthony. He WAS the VH sound.
I miss the days when I could enjoy Ramen without thinking of Hagar.
You'll never unsee it.
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Same with Poundcake
Greatest picture ever!
Especially when your poor
Imagine if Sammy jumped off the drum riser and did the splits at the start of the show, it wouldn't be pretty.
Ouch!
Balls flapping
@@rustbelt2708 what balls?
He'd rupture his hemmorhoids and spew out his diarrhea.
Roth can barely walk....
the thumbnail is pure art of mankind
Wow! I didn't know Sammy made all of those claims about album sales. The one that always drives me crazy is when he claims he was just as popular as Van Halen when he joined the band. He wasn't even close. Having said that, I learned to like him in Van Halen even though I much preferred Dave. I love Dave's studio voice and the way he sounds on albums. I think Dave's lyrics are more fun and clever as well. That was a great video. I love hearing opinions about Van Halen. I love Eddie and to me he is near perfect. I am really bothered my how Michael Anthony has been treated though. I must ask, where did you get that t shirt? That is sooooo cool!
I believe I found it online years ago. Wish I could remember where.
Well hate to burst bubble Sammy kind of was very popular and montrose rocked
@Jerry Woods The Van Halen Brothers wanted Sammy from day 1. Roth can't sing high notes plus he is a misfit. Very odd dude. Everyone involved with music knows Sammy has the better voice. Way way better
@mattbywater7347 Everyone outside of music liked Dave's songs better so what is your point? Also Hagar sounds like he was told to sing every song as if it were his last and that he was constipated at the same time. Hagar is a douche unless you like man perms
Saw VH three times with the original group. The best and most exciting concerts experience of my life. The energy and heat collected on that stage was intoxicating. Then I was VH on 5150. What a tragic transformation. I’d always liked Sammy solo (well...kinda). But all the brains and creativity had left the room. Suddenly, they were nothing more then a very AOR rock band. Faceless, bland and corporate. With David, VH were legendary. Gods of rock music.
Agreed. Hagar is his own biggest fan!👎👎👎
@@MrVaibot it’s like one of the reasons dave left too. was refusing to have dreams as a song
Wtf.. .Sammy's voice is way wsy better than Dave's. Sammy is cool. Don't forget both Sammy and V H didn't have a no.1 album until they got together.
@@mattbywater7347 Sammy is like the most uncool, corny frontman in rock. Englebert Humperdinck had a ‘better’ voice too. Maybe he should have fronted instead??? Daves voice was Van Halen. Van Halen died when Dave left, period!
@looking_33 Hagars voice blows Dave's away. It's not even close all people who know music agree. Any singer will tell you. Why isn't Dave singing now? He can't he sounds terrible. Michael Anthony carried him for Yeats. Daxe can't sing high notes. Look at the interview with Edfie yelling how he loves Sammy because he can cover all ranges. Ed and Akex both say the same. The VH Brothers tell it like it is. Sammy has given millions to Charity.
I've never really cared for Hagar's voice either. I could never really explain why but what you said about it not having personality pretty much sums it up.
Tone for a singer is key to others enjoying a voice. Some girls are naturally pretty some arent. Sammy is the later.
Roth is easily one of the best rock vocalists of all time. His voice has character, slighly rough hewn but with soul and had an excellent sense of songwriting dynamics. His Lyrics were inventful & he had a witty personality. His look & stage prescence the top of the heap. \m/💀\m/
Wrf....Sammy can out sing Dave any day of the week. Alex and Eddie say Roth was a dick from day 1.
i bet sammy hagar loves the fact that fans refer to his time in the band as van hagar
Agreed
you meant Vinegar
@Brandon Mayes thanks man,even though i like some of the Van-Hagar music,to me there was something missing and it was what touched me the first time.The symbiose between Dave and Edward's spirits that create Van-Halen. Music to me is all about feel and sometimes people will ask me :"what's your favorite V-H song?" and i'll answer it depends on how i feel at the moment.
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He’s lying about silly things he shouldn’t have to lie about. Kind of ridiculous
Yeah.. pretty sad for a grown man that should have nothing to prove to anybody.
Also, should be mentioned that, as you point out, having the #1 album means nothing back then if you didn't have the album sales in the long run. VH with Dave sold WAY more albums than VH with Hagar, despite the #1 albums and songs. Nothing Hagar did can top VH's first album with Dave, and 1984 was so big, everyone I knew back then owned it. Even people that didn't ever listen to VH before that. It had massive radio play with Jump and Panama, and Hot For Teacher was in rotation on MTV like every hour. As you say, only Michael Jackson was bigger that year.
Yep VH with Roth outsold Spammy VH 2-1 classic VH is the bomb
Van Halen in its prime could smoke any band......easily🔥
Amen. CVH is untouchable.
Fuckin A
Fair Warning rules!
5150 is one of my fave Van Halen albums, but at the same time, I totally respect people's opinions about Van Hagar, etc. Because to me, they should have changed the name of the band maybe, especially seeing as they only did 2-3 songs from the Roth era. Ridiculous with how the setlists went, if even the Cherone era did more old school stuff than Hagar era. I think if Hagar would've swallowed his pride and sang more Roth stuff it would have been a little better received- how in the hell did they get away with playing that little of Roth era stuff? Again, if they are replacing potential Roth era songs with solo Hagar songs and COVERS (which they did even on the 5150 tour, just played THREE Roth era songs I believe), to me that was a huge mistake even early on. No Mean Streets? No Unchained? Ludicrous. Or change the name of the band, it's obviously a different group (though i like both).
You nailed it and I've mentioned that multiple times. Hagar completely shit on VH fans. The Roth stuff he did sing was kind of lame. "Jump", "You Really Got Me", Ain't Talkin' Bout Love", "Panama"(the best cut of those 4) and that's it. Good thing I saw it on video cause I would have been pissed to see that live in 1986. Gary Cherone did not try to impose any Extreme stuff on the crowd and did a bunch of cool DLR era material.
Hagar try to sing Ain't Talkin about Love that is blapahemsey
5150 was amazing.
Sammy Hagar: Eddie van halen can’t write songs
Fair warning: am I a joke to you?
They had about 30 originals before they put the first album out, used most of them over the years, and even going up to A Different Kind of Truth,were still pulling songs from those old demos.
Fair warning rules
@Chatsworth Osborne, Jr. ummm....he wrote the lyrics to every VH original he sang on.
Writing excellent killer riffs, licks and solos (Eddie), groovy kick-ass-rhythms (Alex), pounding bass lines (Michael) or mouthy yet subtle lyrics (Roth) is not the same as writing a well composed song, like Toto oe Paul McCartney.
Don’t get me wrong. I totally love Van Halen and other rock and metal bands. But rock music like Van Halen is usually not melodic enough to sing a long. You can often hear many many famous Beatles song sun by a street musician with an acoustic guitar. You will not have the same with Van Halen or Metallica.
@@ryanrussell9556 EXACTLY, nailed it !!
Love that shirt !!! where did ya get it? plus i wasn't a Van Hagar fan myself . I think Sammy has a great voice..True NO ONE could touch the original VH in late 70's / 80's I seen them 25 times 3 with Hagar in no way Van Hagar was better than the original VH also Different kind of truth wasn't a bad album in my book but my favorites were 1st album and fair warning
I agree with everything you said. You simply can't beat Dave's signature screams. Sammy commented lyrical felonies he should be put in jail.
Hagar lyrics are always corny
Well... David Lee Roth IS a a very soulful singer. So I can dig it. 😃
I saw them in the eighties twice, Van Halen in the eighties was something to behold one of few shows that I couldn't get outta my head for months.
I watched this video a year after it was posted. I had the opportunity to see VanHalen 4times--2 with Dave and 2 with Sammy. I must admit I still prefer DLR with VH. In concert, I wasn't disappointed with Dave because he was such a thrill seeker and always did the unexpected. I loved the Dave thing.
Totally agree with everything you say! Where did you get that kick ass T-shirt? I want one!! Really bad ass!
Diamond Dave was the true Van Halen vocalist to me ! But I do like a few Van Hagar songs and Heavy Metal.
I like Sammy’s voice better . I like David ‘s energy better .
@@rustbelt2708 Sammy voice is way better and a better showman but the first 2 vh albums were the best
Dr. Fukk slapping the VanHagar Koolaid from these guys mouth tonight baby! Talking facts! Great video dude. About time someone called The Red Worm out for his fairy tales! Classic VanHalen Forever!
C’mon man, everyone knows that the Cherone era outsold both eras! 🤣
I actually saw VHIII live, only time you got all eras of the band
Cherone is like a clearence isle version of Hagar and Hagar is not easy on the ears. A squeeling pig.
Lol so huge it can't be measured!
I hear you loud and clear on VH as well as Kiss. I remember clearly a friend of mine buying Balance on cassette and cranking it up and enjoying some of it (Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do, Can't Stop Loving You) but knowing it was eons less memorable than the lesser Dave material. That speaks volumes. As for chart placement, when it came out I recall there being writeups about how though it debuted at #1, how it "stalled" at 2x Platinum at the time; a pretty poor showing for a VH effort overall, but amazing for most anyone.
I prefer Dave, but I like some sammy records, 5150 , VOA, and a few more! But I can understand your disdain!
I agree with a lot of what you say but I read Sam's book and I never saw anything about Eddie teaching MA bass parts. Please provide a specific source.
read his book.
ruclips.net/video/iG7bj9hrI1A/видео.html
Almost Human I did and it’s not in there
And I saw them in Greensboro for the Fair Warning tour and it was a packed house.
Years later he's still crying to the media...
You tell em Doc, Roth Rules....Belcher Blows.
“Hating Hagar makes me happy”- 5150 tour was one of my first concerts. I was 15. I saw Eat em and Smile tour too. I got into rock with Pyromania ,Out of the Cellar and the Crue. But when I heard VH I i was smitten. I had already heard 1984 but when I heard VH I it was over. I became Van Halen obsessed. I was also learning guitar so Eddie was the pinnacle of my attention. I did not grow up in a rock n roll house. I was the oldest and only music influence was my mom which was pop and some country. So the world of rock was all new. So when Van Halen put forth Van Halen with Sammy I was all in. Eddie could have brought a local cover band singer in and I would have been stoked. I was 15. HELLO BAAAAABY!!! Well for whatever it’s worth I love Sammy to this day. I hold Classic VH close close to my heart and revere VHI-1984 in higher ranks than Van Hagar but I think Sammy nailed it. I realize his short comings and so on but the homeruns he hit while in VH are undeniable. As far as his “lying”? I think your digging pretty deep and if you dug up most peoples skeletons you would uncover the same. Personally think ppl that like to dis on Hagar are just uptight. The guy had a damn good professional rock n roll run and if you think he gives a damn any of you naysayers opinions you're nuts. 5150!!!!
ruclips.net/video/MaT7T8CH7Eo/видео.html :)
Punk kid.
The thumbnail is comedy gold!
My poodle died last year. I buried him in the back yard. I dug him up last week, and his hair still looks better than Sammy's.
I remember reading this in a old hit parader magazine back in the day .
@@buckster2575 Quite possible that's where it came from....I must have heard that joke from a dozen different people back in the 80's. Oldy but goody.
@@Skulllywag pretty crazy but that issue came out in 1988.
Lame!
That’s sick dude
I'm sure Sammy can take solace in the fact that his net worth is estimated at $120 million, while Diamond Dave has to make do with $40 million
I'm still not sure if Sammy Hagar is the worst lyricist in rock? Anyone know if Sammy has ever written with a quality lyricist? Don't get me wrong, he can do the music side of things fine in my opinion - not my fave guy, but he is nowhere near the worst musician in rock, I feel. But the CONCEPT of his songs are always shallow. The double entendre is lame, and bad motor scooters are'nt interesting to anyone who can understand and appreciate a tale. Dave Lee Roth? Storyteller. Good one! Dave has great tales, deeper insights. 'Panama' can only be tackled by Dave. Hagar I think has got rock n' roll chops, but Dave understands the people a lot more, i feel.
The only Sammy Hagar song I like is I can't drive 55 other than that when I hear Van Hagar on the radio I cringe
I don't understand how anyone can like Hagar's voice.
Hey man, Sammy couldn't possibly be wrong about the number of albums he's sold. He's an amazing mathematician, as he himself admits in his autobiography. :)
Ask yourself: Why is it, that if Van Hagar is better,
Why do radio stations play VAN HALEN, with only the very RARE Van Hagar tune.
And it's usually "Love Walks In", or "Why Can't This Be Love?"
Only to please the estrogen half of the radio listeners who need their love song fix.
I saw Sammy open for ZZ Top in 1983 at the Capital Centre in Landover/Largo, Md. I only remember him as an opening act before he found a golden egg in VH. #DiamondDaveForever
Great video! I like Sammy, but nowhere near as much as DLR, Dave has more personality. Also Van Halen played 3 nights in many cities on 1984 tour, in 1982 many 2 night stands, 1981 had 2 nights in some cities as well, in L.A. they played 3 nights in 81.
Dr. F I agree. I was at 1984 concert in Vancouver. Was my 1st concert and it goes down as one of the best I've attended. Van Halen wasn't known for MA's bass. He was the other half of Diamond Dave's vocals with his amazing high harmonies. You are also right about DLR being king of the show! He was amazing! I was never keen about Van Hagar either.
I wasn't allowed to go to that show I was too young to go to the Coliseum in Vancouver where I'm from. My first show was kiss and Anthrax March 11th 1988 in Vancouver. I've seen both versions of Van Halen but I didn't get to see Prime Van Halen 78-84
i was a little to young to see van halen with dave but i did see the eat em and smile tour
PREACH, DR FUKK 🤘
Thank you for your opinion about why you dislike Sammy Hagar. You rock!!💋🎤🎸🎵🥁
you rock dianne
Am I the only person that likes all 4 "parts", both guys solo and with VH? Definitely feels like it
I'm with ya
I agree with you about Dave was the best front man ever, the better albums were done during the Roth era. I do like Hagar, but I also like David Lee Roth solo stuff! Roth solo tours were awesome. Mickey is a bad ass bass player and great backing vocalist. Love that Dave shirt from VH 2!!
Ssplaying
He may have been the best frontman in terms of showmanship but his vocals weren't great. He sounded good on the albums and the early tours but eventually he was showing up shitfaced and barely sang at all.
Always did think Sammy was VHs 2nd best singer...after Gary Cherone lol
VH 3 is better than any hagar
Side note: you got me into The Rods ! Was driving home from the beach in my GT and I cranked “ Violation “ that song is huge! Thanks Doc
Rods Rule. Violation is a banger
Rods Rule. Violation is a banger
Has Roth ever sung one note in key live, ever?
@Arthur G. I always thought Ted Templeman must be a genius in the studio to make Roth sound presentable on record...
he didn't have to he put on a show probably best front man of his generation and pretty much stands today.its rock and roll boys doesn't always have to pretty it always just is
You have obviously never seen 70s and 80s live Van Halen concert videos.
"One" note? "In key".. "live".. "ever".. uhh.. DUH!.. If you have to ask that question.. you are either tone deaf or totally ignorant..
@@cruedust Was it the spandex with his exposed buttcheeks that did it for you? No need to sing in that outfit....right?
Van Hagar never liked Sammy when me and my friend's went to the Monsters of Rock at Foxboro stadium back in the 80's when VanHagar the last act to come on me and my friend's split lol nothing ever could compare to Diamond Dave 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Doc how’d you like Bryan Adams in concert I’m gonna be honest he was AMAZING when I saw him live
Seen Bryan several times he was pretty good
Total respect for your opinion, Ralph. Though we differ on Hagar, I applaud your honesty.
As for me, I've been a Hagar fan since '77. Love him solo, with HSAS, Montrose, Chickenfoot, etc.
But like you, I could NOT STAND HIM in Van Halen. He turned a badass band (arguably the country's greatest hard rock band ever) into a pop embarrassment. But aside from VH, I love his music.
As for personality, he always comes across as a super nice guy (I've never met him, nor do I know him, so my impressions are based solely on what I read and see in the media).
Serious question, Ralph: have you ever considered inviting Eddie Trunk on your show to discuss Hagar? He seems like the ultimate Hagar cheerleader, while you (and your former co-host) seem like the ultimate Hagar detractors. Not looking for a verbal cage match; rather, a civil discussion about the man.
It would be beyond awesome if I could talk to Trunk about Hagar. And the 1984 tour. I would be civil about it. I did try once. No response.
@@almosthuman56 Funny that Trunk would decline your invite, Ralph, as he'd have nothing to lose (re: the overly sensitive "Star Child" shunning him, etc. ). He's appeared on many KISS and other rock-based podcasts, so I wonder why he'd ignore yours. Your audience is big enough, I'd think. Oh well. His loss!
@@Eelgram Trunk would be good for talking about Megaforce, some Ace Frehley stories, anything to do with UFO. I just think it has to do with easily getting a hold of Hagar for an interview as to why he likes him - but if Sam hasn't flown Eddie on his personal jet to Cabo San Lucas and sent him home with cases of tequila, rum and a signed guitar... I guess he's not such a "great friend".
Was right there with you at the Hollywood Sportitorium.. . I’ve seen so many shows there, back in the day. Too bad it’s fucking gone, now. Those were the absolute best times to be alive! Lol.
To quote DLR “with Sammy the band made hits but with me we made history.”
Smackamagob picklewhistlers!
Luv the shirt Rman! Totally agree with ya Ralphy! Sammy solo is utter crap!
First time I saw Ramen Head was when he opened for KISS at MSG in '77, he got is @ss booed of the stage, never liked him...
Mark, you're absolutely right my uncle went to that show and told me the story everybody was chanting KISS Army when he was on stage. Great comment they did sell out three nights at the Garden and 77 on love gun
Damien Vivona Their first show at MSG in Feb of ‘77 was just one night and Hagar opened. When they returned In December of 77 after Love Gun (Alive II tour) came out and they had a new stage it was 3 nights with Detective opening one night and Piper the other two.
Mark,
Mark, you're absolutely right that was the rock and roll over tour my uncle was at the rock and roll over and the love gun shows he has pictures from 77 that he shot..
@@damienvivona3253 that's great!
where did you get that van halen shirt ?? very cool
I've never liked Sammy . Don't particularly care for his vocals, the lyrics that he's written are cheesy, many of his clothing choices are questionable, and he's generally a bit of a buffoon. That's just my opinion.
See ? He was always making fun of Dave...meanwhile he's wearing women's capri pants, and always looks like a clown. Dave was fun. Shame the guy had to grow old.
@@shaunclifton5281 Bozie Bozie Bop Tiddie Bop......
Not to mention he’s a pathological liar.
He’s the Heavy Metal Jimmy Buffet
Love your vids. Only gripe is the background noise on your post.
And where the heck can I get the Roth /Van Halen shirt you had on?
rip EVH
I couldn't agree more man!!! Well done!!!🤘😎
i first heard Sammy Hagar on the MONTROSE debut LP around 1979. Great singer. Also , liked his solo career in early 80's. Red Rocker. But, was never a fan of the Van Halen version with him. Some good songs. but i grew up on the Roth era. I saw VH on the Fair Warning tour, like you said, Best Frontman ever. He had the audience in his hand!
It was 74 when that montrose album came out at least great album
Van Halen before the funeral in 1985 is my Favorite band of All time. Dave or the Grave.
All Van Halen music is awesome. “What is understood, does not need to be discussed. “
That quote, doesn't need a comma.
not all but about 98 percent is
Phil Frank it was a dramatic pause. 😃🤙
My brother was in Germany and over there they had a Montrose album with a picture of a girl with four breasts on it and I said,"Ooo, I wanna hear it."
Don't forget that Milli Vinilli and Vanilla Ice went #1 too so Sammy is in great company lol
Nice. Lol.
Ton of shit goes #1 (actually most). Has nothing to do with quality or popularity overall.
That ramen hair 😂
Van Hagar was good for fans who felt Boston, REO Speedwagon, Journey, Styx and Foreigner were getting too ballad heavy in the mid 80s. Rock music in soundtracks was something Irving Azoff was putting his acts into, which is why Hagar's name is on a ton of soundtracks (Heavy Metal, Up The Academy, Footloose, Fast Times At Ridgemont High, The Sure Thing, Vision Quest, Out of Bounds, Over The Top, Back To the Future II, Moving Violations). What I didn't like in his book is what he said about his ex-wife, the mother of his kids, who was with him through firings, signings, and couldn't help but complain that he had to pay her alimony - the "greatest hits album" - and making it sound like wife #2 could do no wrong (and probably spends more money on her in a weekend than he paid out in his divorce). The best part of the book was his attempt at procuring a wine collection using his tour rider and Irving Azoff throwing a wrench in it.
Sammy's crying was awseome
Those album sales need updated, look at the dates every time the RIAA checked, compare different albums & updates, KISS especially needs to be updated, they haven’t been checked since release.
I love this! We feel the same way you and I! It’s more about him as a person! Not to mention, all the bullshit that has gone on for that man’s ego! Thank you! Thank you!!!
Saw Van Halen Donnington 84 & yes Diamond Dave is the best frontman EVER!!!! Like Sammy too btw.
We're all entitled to our opinion my friend. BTW it's "were shit". Ignoramus!!
We can blame Eddie but he didn't force Sammy to write those corny, cliche lyrics .... LYRICS were the biggest issue.
I went and seen the same concert in Alabama with Bachman-Turner Overdrive and Van Hagar question when I saw them Baughman Rock but they had such a low volume with Van haggar came out it was more than twice as loud I also went to see Eddie play eruption and Bachman-Turner Overdrive I do like some of his solo songs but not one song of the van Hagar era
Playing first as Sammy is not the same as being a nobody opening first. If you are famous regardless of when you go on your not the opening act. Sammy didn't think of himself as an opening act after 79. Sammy was part of the main event.
Hey Ralph, I like em both. But my personal favorite front man is Ronnie James Dio. Cheers 🍻🎸
Van Halen with David Lee Roth is the real Van Halen. The Sammy Hagar led Van Halen had some decent songs but average albums.
I Totally agree with you I seen the 1984 tour,an a couple of his solo tours eatem an smile an another one after that which we're real good, he's a showman 👍
So you hate Sammy cause he said “yea” on Stern?
wow. is that what you think? wow....
Seen GAMA open for AC/DC,back in the day
Very interesting and funny stuff! I do like Haggar's music (though not as much as original VH) but it does make me wonder about many other things he's said along the way. And hilarious to say VH was not that popular they exploded like an atom bomb while Haggar was just the can't drive 55 guy before that and I didn't even know his name.
Van Halen played Central NY a bit when I was young. I'm from Rochester NY. The only tour stop that they used a curtain on was in April 1979 in Rochester at the 10,000 seat War Memorial. Just the fact that they headlined there not long after their 2nd LP came out is pretty cool. I believe that's where the (live) promo videos for the 2nd LP were recorded, btw. I saw them in 1981. Great concert - like the best backyard party you ever went to with the best band, best crowd and best time.
They played Rochester every year with DLR until 1982, when they played the Syracuse Carrier Dome. That's a 30,000 seater, so they were very big then with DLR.
Hagar generally played smaller venues. I think he played our War Memorial in fall of 1979, but that was a triple-bill with Scorpions and Pat Travers. Roth sold out the War Memorial around 1986. Loud as Fook. It was so darn loud you couldn't tell one song from another. It's a shame, because he had a good setlist.
I seen them with hagar.i always said I wish it had been roth.where did you get that shirt.
I agree Dave is the best front man . Paul Stanley number 2
Yep, gay dudes make the best frontmen: Roth, Stanley, Jagger, Bowie, Mercury, etc....
@@sir2854 Paul Stanley #2? You mean the same Paul Stanley that lip syncs?
Ronnie James screw dlr
Heya
This reminds me of that scene from airheads with the fake record lable person and they ask if the main characters ask "who do ya side with in the Van halan vs Dave Lee Roth" split. XD
I had the privilege of seeing VH on there 1st USA tour opening for Black Sabbath. As a 17 yr. old kid...blew me away. Sabbath shouldn't even have showed up, Ozzy was obliterated on drugs. I've seen all 3 lineups...Roth, even though he can't sing live...was the best. As far as American frontmen...Steven Tyler is in a league of his own. Makes DLR look like a clown
Dr. Fukk, I totally agree with you here. 100%! About everything.
Thanks for this ... I’ve always wondered what you had against Sammy. I respect your opinion.
Dave was the best showman when I saw them open for Sabbath in 78..they went for it.
It's all a myth. People who claim to "like" Sammy Hagar are all just Sammy Hagar, himself, wearing different fake mustaches and pretending to be different people. So, if someone ever tells you "I like Sammy Hagar!" the proper response would be "Nice try, Sammy. It's obviously just you in a fake mustache. You're not fooling anyone...". (This has been a Public Service Announcement)
I'm Team Dave.
Hahaha that thumbnail though...🤣👍
Great argument and distinction between the two. These are the facts my friends. Whether you like them or not it's only rock and roll.
Sammy's a liar about roped off shows... I saw Van Halen 3 tours in a row in Dallas...the 1984 show sold 3 nights in a row...the first to do it at Reunion Arena. and my seats for the 3rd 1984 show were so bad, I was almost behind the stage....ticket said "Obstructed view". Snackonmyknob!
i bought the first van hagar album just because i had to hear van halen with sammy on vocals; and i dropped the needle; and the first thing i heard was "hello baby" and i knew then, this is gonna suck...
*Unlike Dave..., Sammy has a tremendous vocal range, low to high..., can actually sing in-tune live, and can actually play guitar... When I saw Van Hagar in 88', I got to see the band when they had two guitars, so like the albums, there was rhythm guitar behind the lead guitar, and on the tunes that Eddie played keyboards, there was rhythm guitar behind the keys... And why didn't Van Halen ever put out a live album or video until they had Sammy on-board? Maybe this clip from the 83' US Festival can explain why... Because Dave couldn't sing in time, in tune, or even remember his own words... They couldn't put out any live albums or videos with Dave because it would simply be too embarrassing and humiliating... And unlike Dave who copied his whole stage persona from someone else, (Jim Dandy from Black Oak Arkansas), Sammy, always, from day one with Montrose, was his own persona, being a complete original instead of a copy... And unlike Diamond Dave, Sammy never had a sad, "Las Vegas residency", period of his career... Sammy didn't need Van Halen, but Dave sure as hell did... Dave might have had a couple of cool supergroup albums and tours with Vai, Sheehan, and Bissonet, but they were only from name recognition, and he couldn't sustain the momentum... And who has had a steady successful career non-stop since the early 70's to this very day, Sammy, Dave, or the Van Halen brothers? Hmmm...? **ruclips.net/video/ZfwW_45z2E8/видео.html*
Spammy blows..vh was 78-84
@@Clnt874 Nah... Davie blows... He could barely sing from 78' to 84'..., and he sounds awful now... And if he didn't have the VH brothers to lean on, he'd cease to have any semblance of a career... Sammy, on the other hand, had a successful career before VH, as well as afterwards to this very day... And Sammy sings better in 2020 than Davie did 78' to 84'..., in-tune and on the beat... Davie's a washed up has-been, while Sammy's still going as strong as ever...
They can't get over their obsession with Dave in assless pants, so there's no throwing facts at them.
@@Kreln1221 you are clueless, daves solo career even sold more than sammys and hes put out less albums!🤣😂🤣Even ted templeman who produced their albums said they wouldnt have made it without dave. DAVE invented their logo, wrote all the lyrics and melodies, stage shows, talked in most interviews etc etc. Get a clue b4 bashing one of the greatest frontmen in rock history from your basement. Roths studio voice sounds 10 times better than sammys by the way. No one cares how techincal your voice is if it sounds like shit🤷♂️
@@dangermartin69 rather see the assless chaps then sammys yellow jumpsuit😂🤣😂😂😂