Saw VH three times with the original group. The best and most exciting concerts experience of my life. The energy and heat collected on that stage was intoxicating. Then I was VH on 5150. What a tragic transformation. I’d always liked Sammy solo (well...kinda). But all the brains and creativity had left the room. Suddenly, they were nothing more then a very AOR rock band. Faceless, bland and corporate. With David, VH were legendary. Gods of rock music.
@@mattbywater7347 Sammy is like the most uncool, corny frontman in rock. Englebert Humperdinck had a ‘better’ voice too. Maybe he should have fronted instead??? Daves voice was Van Halen. Van Halen died when Dave left, period!
@looking_33 Hagars voice blows Dave's away. It's not even close all people who know music agree. Any singer will tell you. Why isn't Dave singing now? He can't he sounds terrible. Michael Anthony carried him for Yeats. Daxe can't sing high notes. Look at the interview with Edfie yelling how he loves Sammy because he can cover all ranges. Ed and Akex both say the same. The VH Brothers tell it like it is. Sammy has given millions to Charity.
Roth is easily one of the best rock vocalists of all time. His voice has character, slighly rough hewn but with soul and had an excellent sense of songwriting dynamics. His Lyrics were inventful & he had a witty personality. His look & stage prescence the top of the heap. \m/💀\m/
I've never really cared for Hagar's voice either. I could never really explain why but what you said about it not having personality pretty much sums it up.
Wow! I didn't know Sammy made all of those claims about album sales. The one that always drives me crazy is when he claims he was just as popular as Van Halen when he joined the band. He wasn't even close. Having said that, I learned to like him in Van Halen even though I much preferred Dave. I love Dave's studio voice and the way he sounds on albums. I think Dave's lyrics are more fun and clever as well. That was a great video. I love hearing opinions about Van Halen. I love Eddie and to me he is near perfect. I am really bothered my how Michael Anthony has been treated though. I must ask, where did you get that t shirt? That is sooooo cool!
@Jerry Woods The Van Halen Brothers wanted Sammy from day 1. Roth can't sing high notes plus he is a misfit. Very odd dude. Everyone involved with music knows Sammy has the better voice. Way way better
@mattbywater7347 Everyone outside of music liked Dave's songs better so what is your point? Also Hagar sounds like he was told to sing every song as if it were his last and that he was constipated at the same time. Hagar is a douche unless you like man perms
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Also, should be mentioned that, as you point out, having the #1 album means nothing back then if you didn't have the album sales in the long run. VH with Dave sold WAY more albums than VH with Hagar, despite the #1 albums and songs. Nothing Hagar did can top VH's first album with Dave, and 1984 was so big, everyone I knew back then owned it. Even people that didn't ever listen to VH before that. It had massive radio play with Jump and Panama, and Hot For Teacher was in rotation on MTV like every hour. As you say, only Michael Jackson was bigger that year.
5150 is one of my fave Van Halen albums, but at the same time, I totally respect people's opinions about Van Hagar, etc. Because to me, they should have changed the name of the band maybe, especially seeing as they only did 2-3 songs from the Roth era. Ridiculous with how the setlists went, if even the Cherone era did more old school stuff than Hagar era. I think if Hagar would've swallowed his pride and sang more Roth stuff it would have been a little better received- how in the hell did they get away with playing that little of Roth era stuff? Again, if they are replacing potential Roth era songs with solo Hagar songs and COVERS (which they did even on the 5150 tour, just played THREE Roth era songs I believe), to me that was a huge mistake even early on. No Mean Streets? No Unchained? Ludicrous. Or change the name of the band, it's obviously a different group (though i like both).
You nailed it and I've mentioned that multiple times. Hagar completely shit on VH fans. The Roth stuff he did sing was kind of lame. "Jump", "You Really Got Me", Ain't Talkin' Bout Love", "Panama"(the best cut of those 4) and that's it. Good thing I saw it on video cause I would have been pissed to see that live in 1986. Gary Cherone did not try to impose any Extreme stuff on the crowd and did a bunch of cool DLR era material.
@Brandon Mayes thanks man,even though i like some of the Van-Hagar music,to me there was something missing and it was what touched me the first time.The symbiose between Dave and Edward's spirits that create Van-Halen. Music to me is all about feel and sometimes people will ask me :"what's your favorite V-H song?" and i'll answer it depends on how i feel at the moment.
I hear you loud and clear on VH as well as Kiss. I remember clearly a friend of mine buying Balance on cassette and cranking it up and enjoying some of it (Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do, Can't Stop Loving You) but knowing it was eons less memorable than the lesser Dave material. That speaks volumes. As for chart placement, when it came out I recall there being writeups about how though it debuted at #1, how it "stalled" at 2x Platinum at the time; a pretty poor showing for a VH effort overall, but amazing for most anyone.
I watched this video a year after it was posted. I had the opportunity to see VanHalen 4times--2 with Dave and 2 with Sammy. I must admit I still prefer DLR with VH. In concert, I wasn't disappointed with Dave because he was such a thrill seeker and always did the unexpected. I loved the Dave thing.
They had about 30 originals before they put the first album out, used most of them over the years, and even going up to A Different Kind of Truth,were still pulling songs from those old demos.
Writing excellent killer riffs, licks and solos (Eddie), groovy kick-ass-rhythms (Alex), pounding bass lines (Michael) or mouthy yet subtle lyrics (Roth) is not the same as writing a well composed song, like Toto oe Paul McCartney. Don’t get me wrong. I totally love Van Halen and other rock and metal bands. But rock music like Van Halen is usually not melodic enough to sing a long. You can often hear many many famous Beatles song sun by a street musician with an acoustic guitar. You will not have the same with Van Halen or Metallica.
Dr. Fukk slapping the VanHagar Koolaid from these guys mouth tonight baby! Talking facts! Great video dude. About time someone called The Red Worm out for his fairy tales! Classic VanHalen Forever!
“Hating Hagar makes me happy”- 5150 tour was one of my first concerts. I was 15. I saw Eat em and Smile tour too. I got into rock with Pyromania ,Out of the Cellar and the Crue. But when I heard VH I i was smitten. I had already heard 1984 but when I heard VH I it was over. I became Van Halen obsessed. I was also learning guitar so Eddie was the pinnacle of my attention. I did not grow up in a rock n roll house. I was the oldest and only music influence was my mom which was pop and some country. So the world of rock was all new. So when Van Halen put forth Van Halen with Sammy I was all in. Eddie could have brought a local cover band singer in and I would have been stoked. I was 15. HELLO BAAAAABY!!! Well for whatever it’s worth I love Sammy to this day. I hold Classic VH close close to my heart and revere VHI-1984 in higher ranks than Van Hagar but I think Sammy nailed it. I realize his short comings and so on but the homeruns he hit while in VH are undeniable. As far as his “lying”? I think your digging pretty deep and if you dug up most peoples skeletons you would uncover the same. Personally think ppl that like to dis on Hagar are just uptight. The guy had a damn good professional rock n roll run and if you think he gives a damn any of you naysayers opinions you're nuts. 5150!!!!
I'm still not sure if Sammy Hagar is the worst lyricist in rock? Anyone know if Sammy has ever written with a quality lyricist? Don't get me wrong, he can do the music side of things fine in my opinion - not my fave guy, but he is nowhere near the worst musician in rock, I feel. But the CONCEPT of his songs are always shallow. The double entendre is lame, and bad motor scooters are'nt interesting to anyone who can understand and appreciate a tale. Dave Lee Roth? Storyteller. Good one! Dave has great tales, deeper insights. 'Panama' can only be tackled by Dave. Hagar I think has got rock n' roll chops, but Dave understands the people a lot more, i feel.
Love that shirt !!! where did ya get it? plus i wasn't a Van Hagar fan myself . I think Sammy has a great voice..True NO ONE could touch the original VH in late 70's / 80's I seen them 25 times 3 with Hagar in no way Van Hagar was better than the original VH also Different kind of truth wasn't a bad album in my book but my favorites were 1st album and fair warning
Dr. F I agree. I was at 1984 concert in Vancouver. Was my 1st concert and it goes down as one of the best I've attended. Van Halen wasn't known for MA's bass. He was the other half of Diamond Dave's vocals with his amazing high harmonies. You are also right about DLR being king of the show! He was amazing! I was never keen about Van Hagar either.
I wasn't allowed to go to that show I was too young to go to the Coliseum in Vancouver where I'm from. My first show was kiss and Anthrax March 11th 1988 in Vancouver. I've seen both versions of Van Halen but I didn't get to see Prime Van Halen 78-84
I saw Sammy open for ZZ Top in 1983 at the Capital Centre in Landover/Largo, Md. I only remember him as an opening act before he found a golden egg in VH. #DiamondDaveForever
Ask yourself: Why is it, that if Van Hagar is better, Why do radio stations play VAN HALEN, with only the very RARE Van Hagar tune. And it's usually "Love Walks In", or "Why Can't This Be Love?" Only to please the estrogen half of the radio listeners who need their love song fix.
Total respect for your opinion, Ralph. Though we differ on Hagar, I applaud your honesty. As for me, I've been a Hagar fan since '77. Love him solo, with HSAS, Montrose, Chickenfoot, etc. But like you, I could NOT STAND HIM in Van Halen. He turned a badass band (arguably the country's greatest hard rock band ever) into a pop embarrassment. But aside from VH, I love his music. As for personality, he always comes across as a super nice guy (I've never met him, nor do I know him, so my impressions are based solely on what I read and see in the media). Serious question, Ralph: have you ever considered inviting Eddie Trunk on your show to discuss Hagar? He seems like the ultimate Hagar cheerleader, while you (and your former co-host) seem like the ultimate Hagar detractors. Not looking for a verbal cage match; rather, a civil discussion about the man.
@@almosthuman56 Funny that Trunk would decline your invite, Ralph, as he'd have nothing to lose (re: the overly sensitive "Star Child" shunning him, etc. ). He's appeared on many KISS and other rock-based podcasts, so I wonder why he'd ignore yours. Your audience is big enough, I'd think. Oh well. His loss!
@@Eelgram Trunk would be good for talking about Megaforce, some Ace Frehley stories, anything to do with UFO. I just think it has to do with easily getting a hold of Hagar for an interview as to why he likes him - but if Sam hasn't flown Eddie on his personal jet to Cabo San Lucas and sent him home with cases of tequila, rum and a signed guitar... I guess he's not such a "great friend".
Hey man, Sammy couldn't possibly be wrong about the number of albums he's sold. He's an amazing mathematician, as he himself admits in his autobiography. :)
I agree with you about Dave was the best front man ever, the better albums were done during the Roth era. I do like Hagar, but I also like David Lee Roth solo stuff! Roth solo tours were awesome. Mickey is a bad ass bass player and great backing vocalist. Love that Dave shirt from VH 2!! Ssplaying
He may have been the best frontman in terms of showmanship but his vocals weren't great. He sounded good on the albums and the early tours but eventually he was showing up shitfaced and barely sang at all.
Van Hagar never liked Sammy when me and my friend's went to the Monsters of Rock at Foxboro stadium back in the 80's when VanHagar the last act to come on me and my friend's split lol nothing ever could compare to Diamond Dave 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Van Hagar was good for fans who felt Boston, REO Speedwagon, Journey, Styx and Foreigner were getting too ballad heavy in the mid 80s. Rock music in soundtracks was something Irving Azoff was putting his acts into, which is why Hagar's name is on a ton of soundtracks (Heavy Metal, Up The Academy, Footloose, Fast Times At Ridgemont High, The Sure Thing, Vision Quest, Out of Bounds, Over The Top, Back To the Future II, Moving Violations). What I didn't like in his book is what he said about his ex-wife, the mother of his kids, who was with him through firings, signings, and couldn't help but complain that he had to pay her alimony - the "greatest hits album" - and making it sound like wife #2 could do no wrong (and probably spends more money on her in a weekend than he paid out in his divorce). The best part of the book was his attempt at procuring a wine collection using his tour rider and Irving Azoff throwing a wrench in it.
I agree with a lot of what you say but I read Sam's book and I never saw anything about Eddie teaching MA bass parts. Please provide a specific source.
Great video! I like Sammy, but nowhere near as much as DLR, Dave has more personality. Also Van Halen played 3 nights in many cities on 1984 tour, in 1982 many 2 night stands, 1981 had 2 nights in some cities as well, in L.A. they played 3 nights in 81.
Those album sales need updated, look at the dates every time the RIAA checked, compare different albums & updates, KISS especially needs to be updated, they haven’t been checked since release.
Mark, you're absolutely right my uncle went to that show and told me the story everybody was chanting KISS Army when he was on stage. Great comment they did sell out three nights at the Garden and 77 on love gun
Damien Vivona Their first show at MSG in Feb of ‘77 was just one night and Hagar opened. When they returned In December of 77 after Love Gun (Alive II tour) came out and they had a new stage it was 3 nights with Detective opening one night and Piper the other two.
Mark, you're absolutely right that was the rock and roll over tour my uncle was at the rock and roll over and the love gun shows he has pictures from 77 that he shot..
Van Halen played Central NY a bit when I was young. I'm from Rochester NY. The only tour stop that they used a curtain on was in April 1979 in Rochester at the 10,000 seat War Memorial. Just the fact that they headlined there not long after their 2nd LP came out is pretty cool. I believe that's where the (live) promo videos for the 2nd LP were recorded, btw. I saw them in 1981. Great concert - like the best backyard party you ever went to with the best band, best crowd and best time. They played Rochester every year with DLR until 1982, when they played the Syracuse Carrier Dome. That's a 30,000 seater, so they were very big then with DLR. Hagar generally played smaller venues. I think he played our War Memorial in fall of 1979, but that was a triple-bill with Scorpions and Pat Travers. Roth sold out the War Memorial around 1986. Loud as Fook. It was so darn loud you couldn't tell one song from another. It's a shame, because he had a good setlist.
i first heard Sammy Hagar on the MONTROSE debut LP around 1979. Great singer. Also , liked his solo career in early 80's. Red Rocker. But, was never a fan of the Van Halen version with him. Some good songs. but i grew up on the Roth era. I saw VH on the Fair Warning tour, like you said, Best Frontman ever. He had the audience in his hand!
I had the privilege of seeing VH on there 1st USA tour opening for Black Sabbath. As a 17 yr. old kid...blew me away. Sabbath shouldn't even have showed up, Ozzy was obliterated on drugs. I've seen all 3 lineups...Roth, even though he can't sing live...was the best. As far as American frontmen...Steven Tyler is in a league of his own. Makes DLR look like a clown
I went to that tour with Bon Jovi in Nijmegen, the Netherlands. Where the brothers van Halen once lived before relocating to Pasadena. Van Hager hoped that the fans didn't mentioned that Van Halen opened that night. One good thing of that show was that the Bon Jovi fans (2/3) run away from the stage, so I get an good view that night. But realise also missed de DLR songs, only three. The setlist that very night. The Seventh Seal Runaround Dreams Amsterdam When It's Love Aftershock Can't Stop Lovin' You Ain't Talkin' 'bout Love Feelin' Guitar Solo You Really Got Me Why Can't This Be Love There's Only One Way to Rock(Sammy Hagar song) Right Now Encore: Don't Tell Me (What Love Can Do) Jump
I Totally agree with you I seen the 1984 tour,an a couple of his solo tours eatem an smile an another one after that which we're real good, he's a showman 👍
i bought the first van hagar album just because i had to hear van halen with sammy on vocals; and i dropped the needle; and the first thing i heard was "hello baby" and i knew then, this is gonna suck...
Was right there with you at the Hollywood Sportitorium.. . I’ve seen so many shows there, back in the day. Too bad it’s fucking gone, now. Those were the absolute best times to be alive! Lol.
Love it. I saw the 1984 tour but my seats at the snortatorium (Hollywood sportatorium) sucked (had much better seats for the reunion, right next to the sound board, they sounded great), also saw the Eat em and Smile tour (fantastic, the Steve Van/Billy Sheehan dueling eruption solo was amazing), and saw the Hagar/DLR tour, the show I saw Sammy opened (thank god) and to me it was like watching a Jimmy Buffet show, pitching his tequila no less, DLR on the other hand apparently had the best VH cover band in the country and it showed, was ridiculously good. Regarding Eddie and Michael Anthony, when I first started playing guitar guitar world ran an interview with EVH where he basically trashed MA, said he doesn't doesn't listen to him (or can't even hear him) on stage, but "he's made enough money to buy a really cool car collection", Im paraphrasing of course but tbh I was kinda surprised, Id always thought the tension in VH was between DLR and EVH but apparently while Dave had his issues EVH was the real diva.
I don't trust the album's being called #1 anymore since I heard they made a mistake during the KISS solo album release back in 78, I don't remember who said it but they released a magazine advert that said they were huge selling album's and they were a week from even being released so they jumped the gun; you might can find that somewhere and check that and see if that's true
I've never liked Sammy . Don't particularly care for his vocals, the lyrics that he's written are cheesy, many of his clothing choices are questionable, and he's generally a bit of a buffoon. That's just my opinion.
See ? He was always making fun of Dave...meanwhile he's wearing women's capri pants, and always looks like a clown. Dave was fun. Shame the guy had to grow old.
Some people might not like Diamond Dave, but in my opinion he is the ultimate frontman, and many bands that came out after Van Halen wanted their frontman to be exactly like David Lee Roth. Eddie Van Halen changed the world on how guitar players would play and Diamond Dave changed the world on how a frontman would be. I have never really cared for the Van Hagar era other than just two songs Dreams and Humans Being. I have always liked Sammy as a solo artist more than his time in Van Hagar.
he didn't have to he put on a show probably best front man of his generation and pretty much stands today.its rock and roll boys doesn't always have to pretty it always just is
Very interesting and funny stuff! I do like Haggar's music (though not as much as original VH) but it does make me wonder about many other things he's said along the way. And hilarious to say VH was not that popular they exploded like an atom bomb while Haggar was just the can't drive 55 guy before that and I didn't even know his name.
Playing first as Sammy is not the same as being a nobody opening first. If you are famous regardless of when you go on your not the opening act. Sammy didn't think of himself as an opening act after 79. Sammy was part of the main event.
I thought KISS was your favorite American band? TRAITOR!! lol. I don't really have a horse in the Han Halen vs Van Haggar war, I was not a big fan of Van Halen, I loved a few of their songs, the usual "pop" hits, Panama, Jump etc.. But Roth annoyed the shit out of me with all of his goofy yikes and yelps and it just seemed like the guy never shut up even during solo's lol. When Sammy took over I will be honest, I was glad, I liked a few of his songs and thought his voice was MUCH better than Roth's. I remember Eddie saying on MTV right after Sammy joined up, "It is going to be nice to now have a lead singer who can actually sing." LOL. When I heard "Best of both worlds" I was convinced I was right, that Haggar was going to make Van Halen bigger and more people like myself would become more of a fan. When I started hearing more and more very un-Van Halen like songs coming out from them, I thought for sure Sammy had actually ruined a once powerhouse band and turned them into a "poison-like" band. The really odd thing Doc? I really began liking DLR!! I much prefer his solo stuff over his Van Halen stuff!! Sensible Shoes for some reason really gets me lol. Oh shit what's that song I can't think of the name now, something rose, Yankee Rose? I love that one too. When Vai was announced as Roth's guitarist I thought that was very fitting because to be honest Vai is 100 times a better guitarist that Eddie is, but Eddie as far as I know tops Vai when it comes to innovations that he personally creates. Now as far as Michael Anthony and whole Eddie had to teach him his bass lines, I think that depends all on the context. Maybe Eddie had a vision of how he wanted the bass to sound differently when on the road than in the studio and so Eddie was simply showing Michael what he wanted him to do differently? Also, Haggar saying what Eddie said, it's all about the context Doc, was Sammy saying in his book, " I have heard that Eddie had to teach Michael his bass lines."? Or did Sammy say it matter of factly that Michael was so bad then he had to be shown how ton play the bass? The problem is that you literally have two different bands between Van Halen/Haggar, two different sounds, but people think they remained the same band, but they didn't but if more would accept that it's two different bands I think all this arguing would end. It's like listening to Paul and Gene without Ace's influence - they SUCK!! Throw Ace into the picture and WOW, now you got a rock band!!
@@almosthuman56 Oh I know, but having a channel totally dedicated to them, using their songs as intros, using the name of one of their songs as your channel name, KISS Memorabilia all over the place - gee I wonder where I might have gotten that impression from? Ya know to be totally honest, I don't really know if KISS is my favorite American band lol. I think they are but then again I don't really know if i can say they are or not. Elvis is my favorite singer, American or not, that one is a definite. But I like so many other bands but I guess KISS is probably my favorite and maybe that's just because they were my introduction into the "modern (at that time, 1977) rock music" world? I think Def Leppard would be in my top 5 but they aren't American and after Hysteria I didn't really care for their music as much. AC/DC but they don't have any "deep" songs, it's all just about fun and women lol. Zeppelin, but they too have a lot of songs that are weird lol. Maybe I am just more comfortable with KISS, You know like that old beat up, torn up T-shirt that the lady of the house wants you to trash, but damn it's become part of the family now lol.
The Two Greatest Debut Albums of All Time: Montrose (1973) / Van Halen (1978) debut albums comparison: Similarities: 1) both albums produced by Ted Templeman 2) both albums named after lead guitarist 3) both are debut albums 4) two of the greatest classic albums in rock history 5) both albums with same instrumentation - 4 members: front man/guitar/bass/drums 6) both albums almost entirely electric 7) only one song with subdued acoustic guitar (Ice Cream Man/Space Station #5) 8) both albums with one sizzling blues (Ice Cream Man/Good Rockin' Tonight) 9) both albums blues-rock based 10) both albums with punchy hard rock sound 11) both albums solid from start to finish, not one weak track 12) both albums on same label (Warner Brothers) 13) in many ways, Montrose 1st album was a prototype for Van Halen's 1st album 14) both groups eventually replaced lead singer Differences: 1) Van Halen introduces new modern guitar techniques 2) Montrose: 8 songs / Van Halen: 11 songs 3) Montrose: 1 cover (Good Rockin' Tonight) / Van Halen: 2 covers (You really Got Me/Ice Cream Man) 4) Van Halen: 1 instrumental track (Eruption) / Montrose: no all-instrumental tracks 5) Van Halen became huge / Montrose kept steady work, but on much smaller scale Interesting Observations: 1) After leaving Montrose, Sammy Hagar becomes Van Halen lead singer 2) All members of Van Halen are huge fans of Montrose 3) the 1st Montrose album will always be the best album Hagar ever performs on, by a long shot
Dr Fukk has defeated Sammy Hagar & Vinnie Vincent. Van Halen was never the same after 1985. Ever wonder why, hahaha. Sammy Hagar has great noodle hair!!.🤣🤣🤣
Heya This reminds me of that scene from airheads with the fake record lable person and they ask if the main characters ask "who do ya side with in the Van halan vs Dave Lee Roth" split. XD
Just did the calculation from RIAA. Van Halen 1 through 1984 sold 34 million units vs. 5150 through Balance with 16 million units. Keep in mind, there more records to sell during Roth's tenure compared to Sammy's. So, taking the average DLR fronted VH album sold 5.6 million units vs. 4 million on average for a Van Hagar album. The worst as we can guess was Van Halen III fronted by Gary Cherone (formerly of Extreme) with only 0.5 million units sold (of course also released in 1998 when Napster and other file-sharing venues began to cut into record sales). In 1991, when grunge hit...Nirvana's Nevermind has hit 10 million mark compared to 3 million for For Unlawful. David Lee Roth's solo albums never exceed 1 million units and A Little Ain't Enough (also coming around the time grunge changed the equation) sold 0.5 million units. I wonder what would have happened to the Smithereens if Madonna showed up to lay down vocals on "A Girl Like You"?
@@goodquestion1105 I just looked it up and you're right. It's been said so many times that the Hagar albums sold more that I guess I just started to believe it. Thanks because I'm going to use it all the time now LOL
I saw Hagar open for Boston, and nobody gave a shit about Hagar ! I saw Van Halen tour for the Van Halen II album, and everybody had a really good time !
Just ran into this. I agree 100 percent Hagar wasn't sought out by VH like everyone thinks. The story is it was all a 'hello' at an auto shop. Its BS. Hagar and VH talked at a dealership, but the record companies were mortified over the breakup of DLR and the band and it, as always, became all about money. They wanted to keep the money momentum going and threw names around of who could replace DLR. Hagar had an "FM easy listening" ballad hoarseness, and the execs pressured the relationship to "work" between a very drunk and hard to work with Eddie Van Halen and Sam Hagar. Hagar was an industry choice. nothing more. It was awful it was an attempt to make a buttload more money than the "1984" album made with the industry putting their views ahead of raw VH music style. in the end, Hagar was just another pleb that fell out of favor with the execs and band members and the brand. - and finally, even though I NEVER liked Hagars style in anything he did in music, he was used. used by the business for executive record sales and profits to fit a formula. Eddies dead now. All these guys are old now. All of them have huge regrets and see the evil that run the business and how they ruin so much with artists who can be very fragile in their lifestyle. Edward is a prime example of this. Hagar was never my thing either...just wanted to rant about this and agree with you.
Great video Dr Fukk. Your the only person on the planet that is as big a Van Halen /KISS geek as I am. All the Hagar lies I didn’t know about. Great job researching and thanks for putting the info out there. I hated all Hagars solo music . And when Roth left VH, of all the singers in the world they had to get to front my favorite band, omg I thought my head would explode. Every Van Hagar album I gave it try, and just could not get past Hagar vocals. And last Roth was a great singer. He had a unique voice, he scream like hell, and he was great live. Go and watch old concert footage of Dave and he was awesome.
I agree Michael Anthony didn’t deserve that treatment
Even Pete Best was told he was out of the Beatles- poor form by the brothers
More than anything vh misses Michael Anthony's backing vocals.
@@Bigchet1223 exhibit A: Dance the Night Away
There is NO Van Halen without Michael Anthony. He WAS the VH sound.
I miss the days when I could enjoy Ramen without thinking of Hagar.
You'll never unsee it.
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Same with Poundcake
Greatest picture ever!
Especially when your poor
Imagine if Sammy jumped off the drum riser and did the splits at the start of the show, it wouldn't be pretty.
Ouch!
Balls flapping
@@rustbelt2708 what balls?
He'd rupture his hemmorhoids and spew out his diarrhea.
Roth can barely walk....
Saw VH three times with the original group. The best and most exciting concerts experience of my life. The energy and heat collected on that stage was intoxicating. Then I was VH on 5150. What a tragic transformation. I’d always liked Sammy solo (well...kinda). But all the brains and creativity had left the room. Suddenly, they were nothing more then a very AOR rock band. Faceless, bland and corporate. With David, VH were legendary. Gods of rock music.
Agreed. Hagar is his own biggest fan!👎👎👎
@@MrVaibot it’s like one of the reasons dave left too. was refusing to have dreams as a song
Wtf.. .Sammy's voice is way wsy better than Dave's. Sammy is cool. Don't forget both Sammy and V H didn't have a no.1 album until they got together.
@@mattbywater7347 Sammy is like the most uncool, corny frontman in rock. Englebert Humperdinck had a ‘better’ voice too. Maybe he should have fronted instead??? Daves voice was Van Halen. Van Halen died when Dave left, period!
@looking_33 Hagars voice blows Dave's away. It's not even close all people who know music agree. Any singer will tell you. Why isn't Dave singing now? He can't he sounds terrible. Michael Anthony carried him for Yeats. Daxe can't sing high notes. Look at the interview with Edfie yelling how he loves Sammy because he can cover all ranges. Ed and Akex both say the same. The VH Brothers tell it like it is. Sammy has given millions to Charity.
the thumbnail is pure art of mankind
Roth is easily one of the best rock vocalists of all time. His voice has character, slighly rough hewn but with soul and had an excellent sense of songwriting dynamics. His Lyrics were inventful & he had a witty personality. His look & stage prescence the top of the heap. \m/💀\m/
Wrf....Sammy can out sing Dave any day of the week. Alex and Eddie say Roth was a dick from day 1.
I've never really cared for Hagar's voice either. I could never really explain why but what you said about it not having personality pretty much sums it up.
Tone for a singer is key to others enjoying a voice. Some girls are naturally pretty some arent. Sammy is the later.
Wow! I didn't know Sammy made all of those claims about album sales. The one that always drives me crazy is when he claims he was just as popular as Van Halen when he joined the band. He wasn't even close. Having said that, I learned to like him in Van Halen even though I much preferred Dave. I love Dave's studio voice and the way he sounds on albums. I think Dave's lyrics are more fun and clever as well. That was a great video. I love hearing opinions about Van Halen. I love Eddie and to me he is near perfect. I am really bothered my how Michael Anthony has been treated though. I must ask, where did you get that t shirt? That is sooooo cool!
I believe I found it online years ago. Wish I could remember where.
Well hate to burst bubble Sammy kind of was very popular and montrose rocked
@Jerry Woods The Van Halen Brothers wanted Sammy from day 1. Roth can't sing high notes plus he is a misfit. Very odd dude. Everyone involved with music knows Sammy has the better voice. Way way better
@mattbywater7347 Everyone outside of music liked Dave's songs better so what is your point? Also Hagar sounds like he was told to sing every song as if it were his last and that he was constipated at the same time. Hagar is a douche unless you like man perms
I agree with everything you said. You simply can't beat Dave's signature screams. Sammy commented lyrical felonies he should be put in jail.
Hagar lyrics are always corny
He’s lying about silly things he shouldn’t have to lie about. Kind of ridiculous
Yeah.. pretty sad for a grown man that should have nothing to prove to anybody.
Fair Warning rules!
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Also, should be mentioned that, as you point out, having the #1 album means nothing back then if you didn't have the album sales in the long run. VH with Dave sold WAY more albums than VH with Hagar, despite the #1 albums and songs. Nothing Hagar did can top VH's first album with Dave, and 1984 was so big, everyone I knew back then owned it. Even people that didn't ever listen to VH before that. It had massive radio play with Jump and Panama, and Hot For Teacher was in rotation on MTV like every hour. As you say, only Michael Jackson was bigger that year.
Yep VH with Roth outsold Spammy VH 2-1 classic VH is the bomb
Van Halen in its prime could smoke any band......easily🔥
Amen. CVH is untouchable.
Fuckin A
5150 is one of my fave Van Halen albums, but at the same time, I totally respect people's opinions about Van Hagar, etc. Because to me, they should have changed the name of the band maybe, especially seeing as they only did 2-3 songs from the Roth era. Ridiculous with how the setlists went, if even the Cherone era did more old school stuff than Hagar era. I think if Hagar would've swallowed his pride and sang more Roth stuff it would have been a little better received- how in the hell did they get away with playing that little of Roth era stuff? Again, if they are replacing potential Roth era songs with solo Hagar songs and COVERS (which they did even on the 5150 tour, just played THREE Roth era songs I believe), to me that was a huge mistake even early on. No Mean Streets? No Unchained? Ludicrous. Or change the name of the band, it's obviously a different group (though i like both).
You nailed it and I've mentioned that multiple times. Hagar completely shit on VH fans. The Roth stuff he did sing was kind of lame. "Jump", "You Really Got Me", Ain't Talkin' Bout Love", "Panama"(the best cut of those 4) and that's it. Good thing I saw it on video cause I would have been pissed to see that live in 1986. Gary Cherone did not try to impose any Extreme stuff on the crowd and did a bunch of cool DLR era material.
Hagar try to sing Ain't Talkin about Love that is blapahemsey
5150 was amazing.
i bet sammy hagar loves the fact that fans refer to his time in the band as van hagar
Agreed
you meant Vinegar
@Brandon Mayes thanks man,even though i like some of the Van-Hagar music,to me there was something missing and it was what touched me the first time.The symbiose between Dave and Edward's spirits that create Van-Halen. Music to me is all about feel and sometimes people will ask me :"what's your favorite V-H song?" and i'll answer it depends on how i feel at the moment.
Well... David Lee Roth IS a a very soulful singer. So I can dig it. 😃
I saw them in the eighties twice, Van Halen in the eighties was something to behold one of few shows that I couldn't get outta my head for months.
I hear you loud and clear on VH as well as Kiss. I remember clearly a friend of mine buying Balance on cassette and cranking it up and enjoying some of it (Don't Tell Me What Love Can Do, Can't Stop Loving You) but knowing it was eons less memorable than the lesser Dave material. That speaks volumes. As for chart placement, when it came out I recall there being writeups about how though it debuted at #1, how it "stalled" at 2x Platinum at the time; a pretty poor showing for a VH effort overall, but amazing for most anyone.
I watched this video a year after it was posted. I had the opportunity to see VanHalen 4times--2 with Dave and 2 with Sammy. I must admit I still prefer DLR with VH. In concert, I wasn't disappointed with Dave because he was such a thrill seeker and always did the unexpected. I loved the Dave thing.
Diamond Dave was the true Van Halen vocalist to me ! But I do like a few Van Hagar songs and Heavy Metal.
I like Sammy’s voice better . I like David ‘s energy better .
@@rustbelt2708 Sammy voice is way better and a better showman but the first 2 vh albums were the best
Sammy Hagar: Eddie van halen can’t write songs
Fair warning: am I a joke to you?
They had about 30 originals before they put the first album out, used most of them over the years, and even going up to A Different Kind of Truth,were still pulling songs from those old demos.
Fair warning rules
@Chatsworth Osborne, Jr. ummm....he wrote the lyrics to every VH original he sang on.
Writing excellent killer riffs, licks and solos (Eddie), groovy kick-ass-rhythms (Alex), pounding bass lines (Michael) or mouthy yet subtle lyrics (Roth) is not the same as writing a well composed song, like Toto oe Paul McCartney.
Don’t get me wrong. I totally love Van Halen and other rock and metal bands. But rock music like Van Halen is usually not melodic enough to sing a long. You can often hear many many famous Beatles song sun by a street musician with an acoustic guitar. You will not have the same with Van Halen or Metallica.
@@ryanrussell9556 EXACTLY, nailed it !!
Dr. Fukk slapping the VanHagar Koolaid from these guys mouth tonight baby! Talking facts! Great video dude. About time someone called The Red Worm out for his fairy tales! Classic VanHalen Forever!
I prefer Dave, but I like some sammy records, 5150 , VOA, and a few more! But I can understand your disdain!
“Hating Hagar makes me happy”- 5150 tour was one of my first concerts. I was 15. I saw Eat em and Smile tour too. I got into rock with Pyromania ,Out of the Cellar and the Crue. But when I heard VH I i was smitten. I had already heard 1984 but when I heard VH I it was over. I became Van Halen obsessed. I was also learning guitar so Eddie was the pinnacle of my attention. I did not grow up in a rock n roll house. I was the oldest and only music influence was my mom which was pop and some country. So the world of rock was all new. So when Van Halen put forth Van Halen with Sammy I was all in. Eddie could have brought a local cover band singer in and I would have been stoked. I was 15. HELLO BAAAAABY!!! Well for whatever it’s worth I love Sammy to this day. I hold Classic VH close close to my heart and revere VHI-1984 in higher ranks than Van Hagar but I think Sammy nailed it. I realize his short comings and so on but the homeruns he hit while in VH are undeniable. As far as his “lying”? I think your digging pretty deep and if you dug up most peoples skeletons you would uncover the same. Personally think ppl that like to dis on Hagar are just uptight. The guy had a damn good professional rock n roll run and if you think he gives a damn any of you naysayers opinions you're nuts. 5150!!!!
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Punk kid.
The only Sammy Hagar song I like is I can't drive 55 other than that when I hear Van Hagar on the radio I cringe
C’mon man, everyone knows that the Cherone era outsold both eras! 🤣
I actually saw VHIII live, only time you got all eras of the band
Cherone is like a clearence isle version of Hagar and Hagar is not easy on the ears. A squeeling pig.
Lol so huge it can't be measured!
I'm still not sure if Sammy Hagar is the worst lyricist in rock? Anyone know if Sammy has ever written with a quality lyricist? Don't get me wrong, he can do the music side of things fine in my opinion - not my fave guy, but he is nowhere near the worst musician in rock, I feel. But the CONCEPT of his songs are always shallow. The double entendre is lame, and bad motor scooters are'nt interesting to anyone who can understand and appreciate a tale. Dave Lee Roth? Storyteller. Good one! Dave has great tales, deeper insights. 'Panama' can only be tackled by Dave. Hagar I think has got rock n' roll chops, but Dave understands the people a lot more, i feel.
And I saw them in Greensboro for the Fair Warning tour and it was a packed house.
Love that shirt !!! where did ya get it? plus i wasn't a Van Hagar fan myself . I think Sammy has a great voice..True NO ONE could touch the original VH in late 70's / 80's I seen them 25 times 3 with Hagar in no way Van Hagar was better than the original VH also Different kind of truth wasn't a bad album in my book but my favorites were 1st album and fair warning
I don't understand how anyone can like Hagar's voice.
Dr. F I agree. I was at 1984 concert in Vancouver. Was my 1st concert and it goes down as one of the best I've attended. Van Halen wasn't known for MA's bass. He was the other half of Diamond Dave's vocals with his amazing high harmonies. You are also right about DLR being king of the show! He was amazing! I was never keen about Van Hagar either.
I wasn't allowed to go to that show I was too young to go to the Coliseum in Vancouver where I'm from. My first show was kiss and Anthrax March 11th 1988 in Vancouver. I've seen both versions of Van Halen but I didn't get to see Prime Van Halen 78-84
I saw Sammy open for ZZ Top in 1983 at the Capital Centre in Landover/Largo, Md. I only remember him as an opening act before he found a golden egg in VH. #DiamondDaveForever
I'm sure Sammy can take solace in the fact that his net worth is estimated at $120 million, while Diamond Dave has to make do with $40 million
My poodle died last year. I buried him in the back yard. I dug him up last week, and his hair still looks better than Sammy's.
I remember reading this in a old hit parader magazine back in the day .
@@buckster2575 Quite possible that's where it came from....I must have heard that joke from a dozen different people back in the 80's. Oldy but goody.
@@Skulllywag pretty crazy but that issue came out in 1988.
Lame!
That’s sick dude
Ask yourself: Why is it, that if Van Hagar is better,
Why do radio stations play VAN HALEN, with only the very RARE Van Hagar tune.
And it's usually "Love Walks In", or "Why Can't This Be Love?"
Only to please the estrogen half of the radio listeners who need their love song fix.
Years later he's still crying to the media...
Total respect for your opinion, Ralph. Though we differ on Hagar, I applaud your honesty.
As for me, I've been a Hagar fan since '77. Love him solo, with HSAS, Montrose, Chickenfoot, etc.
But like you, I could NOT STAND HIM in Van Halen. He turned a badass band (arguably the country's greatest hard rock band ever) into a pop embarrassment. But aside from VH, I love his music.
As for personality, he always comes across as a super nice guy (I've never met him, nor do I know him, so my impressions are based solely on what I read and see in the media).
Serious question, Ralph: have you ever considered inviting Eddie Trunk on your show to discuss Hagar? He seems like the ultimate Hagar cheerleader, while you (and your former co-host) seem like the ultimate Hagar detractors. Not looking for a verbal cage match; rather, a civil discussion about the man.
It would be beyond awesome if I could talk to Trunk about Hagar. And the 1984 tour. I would be civil about it. I did try once. No response.
@@almosthuman56 Funny that Trunk would decline your invite, Ralph, as he'd have nothing to lose (re: the overly sensitive "Star Child" shunning him, etc. ). He's appeared on many KISS and other rock-based podcasts, so I wonder why he'd ignore yours. Your audience is big enough, I'd think. Oh well. His loss!
@@Eelgram Trunk would be good for talking about Megaforce, some Ace Frehley stories, anything to do with UFO. I just think it has to do with easily getting a hold of Hagar for an interview as to why he likes him - but if Sam hasn't flown Eddie on his personal jet to Cabo San Lucas and sent him home with cases of tequila, rum and a signed guitar... I guess he's not such a "great friend".
Van Halen before the funeral in 1985 is my Favorite band of All time. Dave or the Grave.
Hey man, Sammy couldn't possibly be wrong about the number of albums he's sold. He's an amazing mathematician, as he himself admits in his autobiography. :)
Am I the only person that likes all 4 "parts", both guys solo and with VH? Definitely feels like it
I'm with ya
I agree with you about Dave was the best front man ever, the better albums were done during the Roth era. I do like Hagar, but I also like David Lee Roth solo stuff! Roth solo tours were awesome. Mickey is a bad ass bass player and great backing vocalist. Love that Dave shirt from VH 2!!
Ssplaying
He may have been the best frontman in terms of showmanship but his vocals weren't great. He sounded good on the albums and the early tours but eventually he was showing up shitfaced and barely sang at all.
Van Hagar never liked Sammy when me and my friend's went to the Monsters of Rock at Foxboro stadium back in the 80's when VanHagar the last act to come on me and my friend's split lol nothing ever could compare to Diamond Dave 🤘🏻🤘🏻
To quote DLR “with Sammy the band made hits but with me we made history.”
Always did think Sammy was VHs 2nd best singer...after Gary Cherone lol
VH 3 is better than any hagar
Van Hagar was good for fans who felt Boston, REO Speedwagon, Journey, Styx and Foreigner were getting too ballad heavy in the mid 80s. Rock music in soundtracks was something Irving Azoff was putting his acts into, which is why Hagar's name is on a ton of soundtracks (Heavy Metal, Up The Academy, Footloose, Fast Times At Ridgemont High, The Sure Thing, Vision Quest, Out of Bounds, Over The Top, Back To the Future II, Moving Violations). What I didn't like in his book is what he said about his ex-wife, the mother of his kids, who was with him through firings, signings, and couldn't help but complain that he had to pay her alimony - the "greatest hits album" - and making it sound like wife #2 could do no wrong (and probably spends more money on her in a weekend than he paid out in his divorce). The best part of the book was his attempt at procuring a wine collection using his tour rider and Irving Azoff throwing a wrench in it.
I agree with a lot of what you say but I read Sam's book and I never saw anything about Eddie teaching MA bass parts. Please provide a specific source.
read his book.
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Almost Human I did and it’s not in there
Thank you for your opinion about why you dislike Sammy Hagar. You rock!!💋🎤🎸🎵🥁
you rock dianne
The thumbnail is comedy gold!
Great video! I like Sammy, but nowhere near as much as DLR, Dave has more personality. Also Van Halen played 3 nights in many cities on 1984 tour, in 1982 many 2 night stands, 1981 had 2 nights in some cities as well, in L.A. they played 3 nights in 81.
Totally agree with everything you say! Where did you get that kick ass T-shirt? I want one!! Really bad ass!
Those album sales need updated, look at the dates every time the RIAA checked, compare different albums & updates, KISS especially needs to be updated, they haven’t been checked since release.
PREACH, DR FUKK 🤘
Smackamagob picklewhistlers!
All Van Halen music is awesome. “What is understood, does not need to be discussed. “
That quote, doesn't need a comma.
not all but about 98 percent is
Phil Frank it was a dramatic pause. 😃🤙
Don't forget that Milli Vinilli and Vanilla Ice went #1 too so Sammy is in great company lol
Nice. Lol.
Ton of shit goes #1 (actually most). Has nothing to do with quality or popularity overall.
Side note: you got me into The Rods ! Was driving home from the beach in my GT and I cranked “ Violation “ that song is huge! Thanks Doc
Rods Rule. Violation is a banger
Rods Rule. Violation is a banger
i was a little to young to see van halen with dave but i did see the eat em and smile tour
Saw Van Halen Donnington 84 & yes Diamond Dave is the best frontman EVER!!!! Like Sammy too btw.
We're all entitled to our opinion my friend. BTW it's "were shit". Ignoramus!!
First time I saw Ramen Head was when he opened for KISS at MSG in '77, he got is @ss booed of the stage, never liked him...
Mark, you're absolutely right my uncle went to that show and told me the story everybody was chanting KISS Army when he was on stage. Great comment they did sell out three nights at the Garden and 77 on love gun
Damien Vivona Their first show at MSG in Feb of ‘77 was just one night and Hagar opened. When they returned In December of 77 after Love Gun (Alive II tour) came out and they had a new stage it was 3 nights with Detective opening one night and Piper the other two.
Mark,
Mark, you're absolutely right that was the rock and roll over tour my uncle was at the rock and roll over and the love gun shows he has pictures from 77 that he shot..
@@damienvivona3253 that's great!
Van Halen played Central NY a bit when I was young. I'm from Rochester NY. The only tour stop that they used a curtain on was in April 1979 in Rochester at the 10,000 seat War Memorial. Just the fact that they headlined there not long after their 2nd LP came out is pretty cool. I believe that's where the (live) promo videos for the 2nd LP were recorded, btw. I saw them in 1981. Great concert - like the best backyard party you ever went to with the best band, best crowd and best time.
They played Rochester every year with DLR until 1982, when they played the Syracuse Carrier Dome. That's a 30,000 seater, so they were very big then with DLR.
Hagar generally played smaller venues. I think he played our War Memorial in fall of 1979, but that was a triple-bill with Scorpions and Pat Travers. Roth sold out the War Memorial around 1986. Loud as Fook. It was so darn loud you couldn't tell one song from another. It's a shame, because he had a good setlist.
rip EVH
i first heard Sammy Hagar on the MONTROSE debut LP around 1979. Great singer. Also , liked his solo career in early 80's. Red Rocker. But, was never a fan of the Van Halen version with him. Some good songs. but i grew up on the Roth era. I saw VH on the Fair Warning tour, like you said, Best Frontman ever. He had the audience in his hand!
It was 74 when that montrose album came out at least great album
Dave was the best showman when I saw them open for Sabbath in 78..they went for it.
I had the privilege of seeing VH on there 1st USA tour opening for Black Sabbath. As a 17 yr. old kid...blew me away. Sabbath shouldn't even have showed up, Ozzy was obliterated on drugs. I've seen all 3 lineups...Roth, even though he can't sing live...was the best. As far as American frontmen...Steven Tyler is in a league of his own. Makes DLR look like a clown
I went to that tour with Bon Jovi in Nijmegen, the Netherlands. Where the brothers van Halen once lived before relocating to Pasadena. Van Hager hoped that the fans didn't mentioned that Van Halen opened that night. One good thing of that show was that the Bon Jovi fans (2/3) run away from the stage, so I get an good view that night. But realise also missed de DLR songs, only three.
The setlist that very night.
The Seventh Seal
Runaround
Dreams
Amsterdam
When It's Love
Aftershock
Can't Stop Lovin' You
Ain't Talkin' 'bout Love
Feelin'
Guitar Solo
You Really Got Me
Why Can't This Be Love
There's Only One Way to Rock(Sammy Hagar song)
Right Now
Encore:
Don't Tell Me (What Love Can Do)
Jump
I Totally agree with you I seen the 1984 tour,an a couple of his solo tours eatem an smile an another one after that which we're real good, he's a showman 👍
i bought the first van hagar album just because i had to hear van halen with sammy on vocals; and i dropped the needle; and the first thing i heard was "hello baby" and i knew then, this is gonna suck...
I agree Dave is the best front man . Paul Stanley number 2
Yep, gay dudes make the best frontmen: Roth, Stanley, Jagger, Bowie, Mercury, etc....
@@sir2854 Paul Stanley #2? You mean the same Paul Stanley that lip syncs?
Ronnie James screw dlr
Was right there with you at the Hollywood Sportitorium.. . I’ve seen so many shows there, back in the day. Too bad it’s fucking gone, now. Those were the absolute best times to be alive! Lol.
Love it. I saw the 1984 tour but my seats at the snortatorium (Hollywood sportatorium) sucked (had much better seats for the reunion, right next to the sound board, they sounded great), also saw the Eat em and Smile tour (fantastic, the Steve Van/Billy Sheehan dueling eruption solo was amazing), and saw the Hagar/DLR tour, the show I saw Sammy opened (thank god) and to me it was like watching a Jimmy Buffet show, pitching his tequila no less, DLR on the other hand apparently had the best VH cover band in the country and it showed, was ridiculously good.
Regarding Eddie and Michael Anthony, when I first started playing guitar guitar world ran an interview with EVH where he basically trashed MA, said he doesn't doesn't listen to him (or can't even hear him) on stage, but "he's made enough money to buy a really cool car collection", Im paraphrasing of course but tbh I was kinda surprised, Id always thought the tension in VH was between DLR and EVH but apparently while Dave had his issues EVH was the real diva.
Dr. Fukk, I totally agree with you here. 100%! About everything.
I don't trust the album's being called #1 anymore since I heard they made a mistake during the KISS solo album release back in 78, I don't remember who said it but they released a magazine advert that said they were huge selling album's and they were a week from even being released so they jumped the gun; you might can find that somewhere and check that and see if that's true
We can blame Eddie but he didn't force Sammy to write those corny, cliche lyrics .... LYRICS were the biggest issue.
Van Halen with David Lee Roth is the real Van Halen. The Sammy Hagar led Van Halen had some decent songs but average albums.
I've never liked Sammy . Don't particularly care for his vocals, the lyrics that he's written are cheesy, many of his clothing choices are questionable, and he's generally a bit of a buffoon. That's just my opinion.
See ? He was always making fun of Dave...meanwhile he's wearing women's capri pants, and always looks like a clown. Dave was fun. Shame the guy had to grow old.
@@shaunclifton5281 Bozie Bozie Bop Tiddie Bop......
Not to mention he’s a pathological liar.
He’s the Heavy Metal Jimmy Buffet
Some people might not like Diamond Dave, but in my opinion he is the ultimate frontman, and many bands that came out after Van Halen wanted their frontman to be exactly like David Lee Roth. Eddie Van Halen changed the world on how guitar players would play and Diamond Dave changed the world on how a frontman would be. I have never really cared for the Van Hagar era other than just two songs Dreams and Humans Being. I have always liked Sammy as a solo artist more than his time in Van Hagar.
Hey John dlr took his moves from Jim dandy from black oak and mark garner from Grand funk he created nothing but borrowed from them
@@jerrywoods4066 Everyone has been borrowing since Elvis Presley.
Fair warning is my favorite...sammy is ok yea sammy bs on his sales ....VH is Diamond mikey eddie and Al
Great argument and distinction between the two. These are the facts my friends. Whether you like them or not it's only rock and roll.
Has Roth ever sung one note in key live, ever?
@Arthur G. I always thought Ted Templeman must be a genius in the studio to make Roth sound presentable on record...
he didn't have to he put on a show probably best front man of his generation and pretty much stands today.its rock and roll boys doesn't always have to pretty it always just is
You have obviously never seen 70s and 80s live Van Halen concert videos.
"One" note? "In key".. "live".. "ever".. uhh.. DUH!.. If you have to ask that question.. you are either tone deaf or totally ignorant..
@@cruedust Was it the spandex with his exposed buttcheeks that did it for you? No need to sing in that outfit....right?
Luv the shirt Rman! Totally agree with ya Ralphy! Sammy solo is utter crap!
Very interesting and funny stuff! I do like Haggar's music (though not as much as original VH) but it does make me wonder about many other things he's said along the way. And hilarious to say VH was not that popular they exploded like an atom bomb while Haggar was just the can't drive 55 guy before that and I didn't even know his name.
Playing first as Sammy is not the same as being a nobody opening first. If you are famous regardless of when you go on your not the opening act. Sammy didn't think of himself as an opening act after 79. Sammy was part of the main event.
Doc how’d you like Bryan Adams in concert I’m gonna be honest he was AMAZING when I saw him live
Seen Bryan several times he was pretty good
I thought KISS was your favorite American band? TRAITOR!! lol.
I don't really have a horse in the Han Halen vs Van Haggar war, I was not a big fan of Van Halen, I loved a few of their songs, the usual "pop" hits, Panama, Jump etc.. But Roth annoyed the shit out of me with all of his goofy yikes and yelps and it just seemed like the guy never shut up even during solo's lol. When Sammy took over I will be honest, I was glad, I liked a few of his songs and thought his voice was MUCH better than Roth's. I remember Eddie saying on MTV right after Sammy joined up, "It is going to be nice to now have a lead singer who can actually sing." LOL. When I heard "Best of both worlds" I was convinced I was right, that Haggar was going to make Van Halen bigger and more people like myself would become more of a fan. When I started hearing more and more very un-Van Halen like songs coming out from them, I thought for sure Sammy had actually ruined a once powerhouse band and turned them into a "poison-like" band. The really odd thing Doc? I really began liking DLR!! I much prefer his solo stuff over his Van Halen stuff!! Sensible Shoes for some reason really gets me lol. Oh shit what's that song I can't think of the name now, something rose, Yankee Rose? I love that one too. When Vai was announced as Roth's guitarist I thought that was very fitting because to be honest Vai is 100 times a better guitarist that Eddie is, but Eddie as far as I know tops Vai when it comes to innovations that he personally creates. Now as far as Michael Anthony and whole Eddie had to teach him his bass lines, I think that depends all on the context. Maybe Eddie had a vision of how he wanted the bass to sound differently when on the road than in the studio and so Eddie was simply showing Michael what he wanted him to do differently? Also, Haggar saying what Eddie said, it's all about the context Doc, was Sammy saying in his book, " I have heard that Eddie had to teach Michael his bass lines."? Or did Sammy say it matter of factly that Michael was so bad then he had to be shown how ton play the bass? The problem is that you literally have two different bands between Van Halen/Haggar, two different sounds, but people think they remained the same band, but they didn't but if more would accept that it's two different bands I think all this arguing would end. It's like listening to Paul and Gene without Ace's influence - they SUCK!! Throw Ace into the picture and WOW, now you got a rock band!!
I have never EVER said KISS was my favorite American band.
@@almosthuman56 Oh I know, but having a channel totally dedicated to them, using their songs as intros, using the name of one of their songs as your channel name, KISS Memorabilia all over the place - gee I wonder where I might have gotten that impression from? Ya know to be totally honest, I don't really know if KISS is my favorite American band lol. I think they are but then again I don't really know if i can say they are or not. Elvis is my favorite singer, American or not, that one is a definite. But I like so many other bands but I guess KISS is probably my favorite and maybe that's just because they were my introduction into the "modern (at that time, 1977) rock music" world? I think Def Leppard would be in my top 5 but they aren't American and after Hysteria I didn't really care for their music as much. AC/DC but they don't have any "deep" songs, it's all just about fun and women lol. Zeppelin, but they too have a lot of songs that are weird lol. Maybe I am just more comfortable with KISS, You know like that old beat up, torn up T-shirt that the lady of the house wants you to trash, but damn it's become part of the family now lol.
I’m embarrassed for you.
Sammy's crying was awseome
The Two Greatest Debut Albums of All Time:
Montrose (1973) / Van Halen (1978) debut albums comparison:
Similarities:
1) both albums produced by Ted Templeman
2) both albums named after lead guitarist
3) both are debut albums
4) two of the greatest classic albums in rock history
5) both albums with same instrumentation - 4 members: front man/guitar/bass/drums
6) both albums almost entirely electric
7) only one song with subdued acoustic guitar (Ice Cream Man/Space Station #5)
8) both albums with one sizzling blues (Ice Cream Man/Good Rockin' Tonight)
9) both albums blues-rock based
10) both albums with punchy hard rock sound
11) both albums solid from start to finish, not one weak track
12) both albums on same label (Warner Brothers)
13) in many ways, Montrose 1st album was a prototype for Van Halen's 1st album
14) both groups eventually replaced lead singer
Differences:
1) Van Halen introduces new modern guitar techniques
2) Montrose: 8 songs / Van Halen: 11 songs
3) Montrose: 1 cover (Good Rockin' Tonight) / Van Halen: 2 covers (You really Got Me/Ice Cream Man)
4) Van Halen: 1 instrumental track (Eruption) / Montrose: no all-instrumental tracks
5) Van Halen became huge / Montrose kept steady work, but on much smaller scale
Interesting Observations:
1) After leaving Montrose, Sammy Hagar becomes Van Halen lead singer
2) All members of Van Halen are huge fans of Montrose
3) the 1st Montrose album will always be the best album Hagar ever performs on, by a long shot
Hey Ralph, I like em both. But my personal favorite front man is Ronnie James Dio. Cheers 🍻🎸
Dr Fukk has defeated Sammy Hagar & Vinnie Vincent. Van Halen was never the same after 1985. Ever wonder why, hahaha. Sammy Hagar has great noodle hair!!.🤣🤣🤣
Heya
This reminds me of that scene from airheads with the fake record lable person and they ask if the main characters ask "who do ya side with in the Van halan vs Dave Lee Roth" split. XD
Just did the calculation from RIAA. Van Halen 1 through 1984 sold 34 million units vs. 5150 through Balance with 16 million units. Keep in mind, there more records to sell during Roth's tenure compared to Sammy's. So, taking the average DLR fronted VH album sold 5.6 million units vs. 4 million on average for a Van Hagar album. The worst as we can guess was Van Halen III fronted by Gary Cherone (formerly of Extreme) with only 0.5 million units sold (of course also released in 1998 when Napster and other file-sharing venues began to cut into record sales). In 1991, when grunge hit...Nirvana's Nevermind has hit 10 million mark compared to 3 million for For Unlawful. David Lee Roth's solo albums never exceed 1 million units and A Little Ain't Enough (also coming around the time grunge changed the equation) sold 0.5 million units. I wonder what would have happened to the Smithereens if Madonna showed up to lay down vocals on "A Girl Like You"?
Dude the first two Roth solo albums both sold over a million copies and even the EP went platinum.
The people who prefer Sammy always brag about the fact that his albums sold more. My response is always "then why are the Roth ones better?" Lol
Because the jocks and preppys in high school all got into van Hagar. All the stoners were listening to van Halen all along.
Fun fact: Roth sold more!
@@goodquestion1105 I just looked it up and you're right. It's been said so many times that the Hagar albums sold more that I guess I just started to believe it. Thanks because I'm going to use it all the time now LOL
Agree 100%. Sammy has always loved to brag about his accomplishments. What bullshit. Long live classic Van Halen.
I don't like van hagar... but Its hard not to like sammy.. He's a damn good guy.. well respected in the music business..
I saw Hagar open for Boston, and nobody gave a shit about Hagar !
I saw Van Halen tour for the Van Halen II album, and everybody had a really good time !
Van Halen with Roth = Led Zeppelin
Van Halen with Hagar = Toto
Nuff Said
Seen GAMA open for AC/DC,back in the day
I couldn't agree more man!!! Well done!!!🤘😎
Just ran into this. I agree 100 percent
Hagar wasn't sought out by VH like everyone thinks. The story is it was all a 'hello' at an auto shop. Its BS. Hagar and VH talked at a dealership, but the record companies were mortified over the breakup of DLR and the band and it, as always, became all about money. They wanted to keep the money momentum going and threw names around of who could replace DLR.
Hagar had an "FM easy listening" ballad hoarseness, and the execs pressured the relationship to "work" between a very drunk and hard to work with Eddie Van Halen and Sam Hagar.
Hagar was an industry choice. nothing more. It was awful it was an attempt to make a buttload more money than the "1984" album made with the industry putting their views ahead of raw VH music style.
in the end, Hagar was just another pleb that fell out of favor with the execs and band members and the brand.
- and finally, even though I NEVER liked Hagars style in anything he did in music, he was used.
used by the business for executive record sales and profits to fit a formula.
Eddies dead now. All these guys are old now. All of them have huge regrets and see the evil that run the business and how they ruin so much with artists who can be very fragile in their lifestyle. Edward is a prime example of this.
Hagar was never my thing either...just wanted to rant about this and agree with you.
Great video Dr Fukk. Your the only person on the planet that is as big a Van Halen /KISS geek as I am. All the Hagar lies I didn’t know about. Great job researching and thanks for putting the info out there. I hated all Hagars solo music . And when Roth left VH, of all the singers in the world they had to get to front my favorite band, omg I thought my head would explode. Every Van Hagar album I gave it try, and just could not get past Hagar vocals. And last Roth was a great singer. He had a unique voice, he scream like hell, and he was great live. Go and watch old concert footage of Dave and he was awesome.