Playing devil's advocate, having retired fighters, judge could possibly lead to baised judging due to possible affiliations or friends, another issue could be that fighters sometime make comebacks and this could possibly affect judging as fighting could become stale
thats very interesting point, but an obvious fix, although hard, is finding some that arent affiliated in any way. Another devils advocate point is going to be post fight callouts and "beef" with some judges
@North American RUclipsr It doesn't balance out at all. It can only balance out if there's an even number of judges. If the two other judges have different scores then the third (hypothetically biased) judge can end up being the one with the final say, so to speak.
Flashy Paws his right thats the most stupid thing I’ve read too. So. Dc and dominik cruz and the list can go on. Are. Trash commentators ? Nah. U sound stupid asf buddy. Am not talking about judges just the commentary part
Fighters are too biased to be judges, this is clear when they're commentating. Sometimes a fighter is clearly losing but since the fighter commentator is a friend they're like "I don't know who's winning".
That’s why there would be a committee deciding the judges for certain fights and making sure there is no bias. Same way referees in soccer don’t ref when their nationality is playing
"Here we start round 4 in this Lightweight Match and unfortunately Lee is going to give Nurmagomedov his back in this new ufc rule set" "OH HE'S HURT!!"
Beautiful answers , I feel like your getting a better understanding of what people are trying to express and addressing that your leveling up constantly sir
They should have the scores live. So if a fighter sees they are behind it will force more action. I think this would be a good move for both boxing and mma. They should also establish some type of rubric or rule set so fighters know why they are losing and what is more valuable.
How Is demanding that a judge be knowledgeable and competent over what they’re judging a weak argument? I agree they don’t need to be former fighters but if they don’t have a clue about grappling they can’t accurately access who deserves more credit for a grappling exchange. Coaches like Jackson/wink/Rufus/zahabi/etc would make the best judges.
I could get into trouble for saying this. I’m a licensed MMA judge in the state of Missouri. I can attest that the judges I’ve worked shows with have very low fight knowledge and 95% of them have never trained themselves. There definitely needs to be more accountability and it needs to be harder to become a judge. Ive only been a licensed judge for couple years, so I’m not trying to act like my opinion is a matter of fact. I’ve grappled my whole life and trained a lot of MMA. I have never taken an MMA fight before and it does make me feel like a fraud as a judge sometimes. The problem with judging is that it doesn’t pay much at all...so there isn’t a big financial incentive to entice quality judges.
It wouldn’t hurt. You would have to be careful about which retired fighters judged which fights. They couldn’t have any history or connection to the fighters they are judging. A better solution would be the removal of the 10 point must system and judge the fight as a whole. I’m calling this the one question must system, who got their ass whooped? This will always tell you who won and who lost.
I’d like to see more ex-fighters become judges too but being an ex-fighter won’t automatically make you a better judge. Like, would Warmachine or Tito have made great judges? I don’t think so. Also, even if more ex-fighters become judges, there still needs to be better testing and certification criteria for judges. In Nevada, for example, only 1 of the 11 judge requirements has anything to do with scoring ability and the rest are like, "are you older than 21" and "ability to show up on time". So, let’s start by updating the judge certification criteria to include more competencies on MMA techniques, which will favor ex-fighters but won’t exclude non-fighters who are knowledgeable.
I think the scoring format is fine. What’s not fine is the fact that judges who have never been in a fist fight before, much less an mma fight aren’t even fucking using it. One example. Round 3 of Robbie Lawler vs Carlos Condit. Slow round. No takedowns or anything. Both landed their own good shit but Carlos doubled Robbie’s output. It was like 20-10 or some shit and 2 of the judges gave that round to Robbie who landed half as many strikes. Like what the fuck??
What’s up UNCLE CHAEL! Me and my bro watch you from Mexico. Much respect to you and I think retired fighters should be judged that’s a brilliant idea amigo.
Former mma fighters would be a better alternative, but they will need to screened for bias. If a former teammate is fighting, the judge shouldn't officiate.
Not sure screening for biases would help all that much because they would still have them. In addition to gym alliances, they might dislike a former rival or someone who talked trash to them or their friends. The masses who are so quick to say yes to this are extremely short sighted. They also have biases toward and against specific fighting styles. More regulated and competent judges are needed, but former fighters are about the worst possible candidates.
Or a former rival, teamates rival, someone who left their gym on bad terms, etc.... Like in fight picks teamates will pick eachother everytime aslong as they aint colby, imagine them judging....
@@Willie-C Yeah IDK what's wrong with boxing. IDK if it's the corruption or it's just judges looking at different than the public. IDK much about boxing, but most of the time if they call it different than I would've in the UFC I can understand it. Like the recent Aldo fight I had Aldo, but I can understand it going the other way. People like Joe Rogan are always talking about something different than the 10-9 system but never give you a comprehensive way to do it different. Glory does some interesting things like open scoring but like Chael said before there's drawbacks for that too.
it's a great idea but the ex fighters who are going to judge should be long retired, have no chance of making a comeback or have no affiliations with current fighters or camps? eg: Bas Rutten, yves edwards and don't hate me when I say this but brendan schaub. might not be the best examples but along those lines? open to interpretation
Yes the judges should 100 percent be ex mma fighters that actually know what they are watching. The points system needs to be changed. It’s not boxing it’s a different sport, and there should be 5 judges and they take the 3 closest score cards out of the 5 to determine who wins. Sometime judges think a fighter is winning a round just because he’s advancing more. With how different some judges score cards are for the same fight something need to change.
Change the scoring to be simple knockout, choke out or tie, the ref should be there only for fighter safety. This is more fair since no judge bias, rewards being a tough SOB and gives a true measure of who really is the best.
Ocasio-Cortez4prez2022 I agree and it’s crazy that it has flipped back and forth all through out time. Wanderlei has no way too lose Then later his chin goes and he really doesn’t have a chance too win.Now once again he is the better fighter all these years later it’s wierd.
Nah, not particularly. Too many have a bias towards their preferred discipline. Also, they better have no gym/training affiliations with anyone fighting or thats gonna cause controversises too
As for positioning the only way that this would make sense is if there wasn't around system. At the end of the round they start back neutral. Heart of the arsenal of weapons that a fighter has is time management. Sometimes just defending to get out of the round is very necessary and I don't think it would benefit any Fighters too greatly if that wasn't an option.
The issue is that there's no such thing as "mma judges" there are just commission judges and they can be sent to boxing or mm5or muay thai matches regardless of which sport they're more familiar with
No, fighters (retired or not) have too many connections that could easily prejudice their objectivity. I'm thinking the "answer" to the "problem" would be a combination of two things...…(1) Fundamental changes to the method by which points are accumulated; something that encourages substantial offense and rewards accordingly for robust defensive prowess as well. (2) A training and certification program for judges and referee's.
i love the argument "you're not a pro fighter so you cant judge..." (or something along those lines) because i respond with "have you ever said a movie was bad? are you a director?" its the exact same situation but in a different sector of entertainment
It would be better if there were more than three judges on the panel to mitigate for poor decisions. One bad call can not only fuck up a fighter's record, but it can also make or break their ability to obtain any win bonuses.
The only problem I see with former fighters being judges is they can still have favoritism towards a fighter they used to have as a team mate or have some sort of connection with. MMA fighting is a small community so it would be tedious to have to research the judge before assigning them to a fight and make sure it can be more objective.
The problem is the fans dont get to see the punishment or responsibility taken after the fight towards a judge... the fight is already over and the bad call has been made.
Change the judging from 3 judges to 5 judges and use retired fighters. Filter out any bias by avoiding employing retired fighters with relations to fighters on the card, easier said than done though.
10 point rounds are a massive problem in MMA. Boxing has only gloves as weapons. It's easy to call a fight. MMA has fists, elbows, shoulders, knees and feet. That's just striking! Add ground game into it and a 10/9 round doesn't seem like a realistic reflection of what happened over a 300 second round.
A better scoring system is needed regardless of who does the judging. How much should a power shot be rewarded, should a takedown be rewarded the same etc. What about leg kicks. Theres so many different variables in mma and I can understand why the judging is sometimes off
Also, I think the ufc should allow fan voting during fights to see how the fans felt. Don’t let them determine the outcome but just to show how off the judges can be. Only make it accessible for people with espn plus also. During the fights and the end of every round let the people who pay for the service score the round and show it at the end of the fight. I’m only saying people who pay for ESPN+ just to give us more of an incentive to buy it and fan involvement would make the service more fun.
Guys, tighten up your questions. A lot of you haven't even rolled it out in your own head before videoing it. Do a couple of practices to make it smoother and concise.
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Former fighters could certainly be judges, but the real question as Chael points out is whether you are a good judge. Judges simply need a peer review process like everyone else.
Speaking from experience... I can say, despite contrary opinion, those judges are usually right on the money with each other. I've rarely seen much disparity on the score cards in the way they see and judge the rounds.
This is awesome to see-- I've had these ideas/questions for awhile now. Not only retired fighters as refs, but there are SO many old, out of shape men working security-- almost every female fighter could knock them out, let a lone the men-- these could be transition jobs for retiring fighters. Have also been hoping to see the ref-cam (PFL used it this weekend and a sky-cam would be nice too)-- if UFC added those & mics for sound bytes you can only hear through a certain package on ESPN? Would get more subs. Obviously the gloves need to be addressed but that's a broken record. Long list of things that could improve it-- but none more than the rankings. If they're not going to be legit/accurate/have any credibility, a fan vote/fighter vote should form those rather than the PROMOTER lol.
We don’t usually see a fourth fight because there’s no need for one imo. One way or another it’s always been settled by the third plus trilogies take place over a number of years so quite often a fourth would be ruled out by time.
I think having fighters as judges would be good and bad . Good cause they know what they’re talking about , but bad because if say the judge , judges the fight wrong and that fighter than holds a grudge with a fighter / judge .
No, too many personal biases are likely to influence results, sure, the current crop of MMA judges need a cleanout and the scoring system needs to be made concrete. With either of those circumstances there will always be influences, the disparity in scorecards in the present time shows exactly that.
In other sports (football, tennis etc etc.) the referees, umpires etc. go through lots of training and generally have to work their way up from the bottom as the athletes do, I'm unclear as to what qualifications or experience MMA judges (and boxing judges too) are required to have to work for major promotions. Also personally I find it ridiculous that anyone can say the judging right now is fine and should be left alone, when we are getting scorecards that have 2 judges scoring it 29-28 and 30-27 for one fighter and then the third judge has it 30-27 for the other, that in my eyes is just ridiculous, to have two judges score a fight completely opposite ways means that the judging system, the requirements to become a judge, the judges themselves, or all three of these things need to be adjusted and improved so that we don't have fighters, fans and analysts almost universally disagreeing with the judges on at least 1 fight a week now it seems. As the guy said, this is not only affecting fighters records, but also their paychecks, and that definitely doesn't seem fair in any way.
I think it would be cool to hear me out if Masvidal and another fighter fought for the BMF belt and agreed to each other to weigh in at 165 pounds. They could promote it that way in the media and go over Dana's head and then find another opponent willing to carry on the 165 weight when fighting whoever posses the bmf. Cons they might get a pay cut and probably other things i havent thought of.
Hey chael , did you fight at the the Taj Mahal in New Jersey around 15-18 years ago in a non ufc event? Just found a photo in a photo album with you from when I was 9
Playing devil's advocate, having retired fighters, judge could possibly lead to baised judging due to possible affiliations or friends, another issue could be that fighters sometime make comebacks and this could possibly affect judging as fighting could become stale
thats very interesting point, but an obvious fix, although hard, is finding some that arent affiliated in any way. Another devils advocate point is going to be post fight callouts and "beef" with some judges
@North American RUclipsr
It doesn't balance out at all. It can only balance out if there's an even number of judges. If the two other judges have different scores then the third (hypothetically biased) judge can end up being the one with the final say, so to speak.
@oMFg Wonder
The judges now are mostly old dudes with nothing better to do. From what I understand they're mostly volunteers.
@@Benlikesstuff Sal D'Amato has been on some questionable calls for decisions. I agree that judges are not held responsible for their decisions.
@oMFg Wonder
Probably a good option. I also think the ten point must system is pretty flawed so maybe they could look at that also.
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I love the idea of former fighters being judges as long as they also come up with a unified MMA exclusive point system.
@Dan Addy No shit, that's why he said he'd like to see both.
@Dan Addy no shit
Flashy Paws his right thats the most stupid thing I’ve read too. So. Dc and dominik cruz and the list can go on. Are. Trash commentators ? Nah. U sound stupid asf buddy. Am not talking about judges just the commentary part
Someone else already said this but if there’s an objective, unified scoring system then there’s it doesn’t matter who judges
Fighters are too biased to be judges, this is clear when they're commentating.
Sometimes a fighter is clearly losing but since the fighter commentator is a friend they're like "I don't know who's winning".
liverpoolJFT96 lol DC with the 5-0 shutout max v volko fight
zadegets faded 5-0???? Cmon bro really? You must be that one judge.
Timothy Woods volko clearly won 5-0
zadegets faded Yeah volk clearly won, DC was hoping for a robbery
That’s why there would be a committee deciding the judges for certain fights and making sure there is no bias. Same way referees in soccer don’t ref when their nationality is playing
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Did Rampage ever pay you the 30k that he owed you for your guys fight?
I think Chael refused the money but might be wrong.
@@chiboiscool3583 you are correct
Rampage gave him the check, but chael said he’s not going to cash it
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@@laytonkane6717 He didn't cash it. He deposited it
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Ok great
"Here we start round 4 in this Lightweight Match and unfortunately Lee is going to give Nurmagomedov his back in this new ufc rule set" "OH HE'S HURT!!"
I loved that question. Firas Zahabi talked about this on JRE because, or having longer rounds, because it better suits a real life scenario.
No they def shouldn’t judge fights could u imagine chael judging a Jon Jones fight 🤣🤣🤣
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Even better hahaha A RETIRE DANIEL CORMIER judging Jon Jones fight if he stays champion. Haha what a slap to his face
Chael, let's do some fan questions.
Me, OK GREAT!
Beautiful answers , I feel like your getting a better understanding of what people are trying to express and addressing that your leveling up constantly sir
Ok great
Lad at the end should have his own show
They should have the scores live. So if a fighter sees they are behind it will force more action. I think this would be a good move for both boxing and mma. They should also establish some type of rubric or rule set so fighters know why they are losing and what is more valuable.
How Is demanding that a judge be knowledgeable and competent over what they’re judging a weak argument?
I agree they don’t need to be former fighters but if they don’t have a clue about grappling they can’t accurately access who deserves more credit for a grappling exchange.
Coaches like Jackson/wink/Rufus/zahabi/etc would make the best judges.
Damn even Gustafson getting in on the fan questions lol
Which one are u referring to haha
Hey, producers who are screening questions, you're doing a better job selecting interesting questions than a month ago. Keep it up
If you want to see Chael's answer to the title question, the question is posed at 11:04 and he answers it at 12:54
I could get into trouble for saying this. I’m a licensed MMA judge in the state of Missouri. I can attest that the judges I’ve worked shows with have very low fight knowledge and 95% of them have never trained themselves. There definitely needs to be more accountability and it needs to be harder to become a judge. Ive only been a licensed judge for couple years, so I’m not trying to act like my opinion is a matter of fact. I’ve grappled my whole life and trained a lot of MMA. I have never taken an MMA fight before and it does make me feel like a fraud as a judge sometimes. The problem with judging is that it doesn’t pay much at all...so there isn’t a big financial incentive to entice quality judges.
Very important points
It wouldn’t hurt. You would have to be careful about which retired fighters judged which fights. They couldn’t have any history or connection to the fighters they are judging. A better solution would be the removal of the 10 point must system and judge the fight as a whole. I’m calling this the one question must system, who got their ass whooped? This will always tell you who won and who lost.
I’d like to see more ex-fighters become judges too but being an ex-fighter won’t automatically make you a better judge. Like, would Warmachine or Tito have made great judges? I don’t think so. Also, even if more ex-fighters become judges, there still needs to be better testing and certification criteria for judges. In Nevada, for example, only 1 of the 11 judge requirements has anything to do with scoring ability and the rest are like, "are you older than 21" and "ability to show up on time". So, let’s start by updating the judge certification criteria to include more competencies on MMA techniques, which will favor ex-fighters but won’t exclude non-fighters who are knowledgeable.
With every fight night there are about 6 refs working and only 1 in the octogon so why not have the off duty refs judging???
I swear Chael sees ppl talk about stuff on Reddit then goes and makes a video about it
Oh my god YES!!!!!! And change the scoring format!!!!!!
I think the scoring format is fine. What’s not fine is the fact that judges who have never been in a fist fight before, much less an mma fight aren’t even fucking using it.
One example.
Round 3 of Robbie Lawler vs Carlos Condit. Slow round. No takedowns or anything. Both landed their own good shit but Carlos doubled Robbie’s output. It was like 20-10 or some shit and 2 of the judges gave that round to Robbie who landed half as many strikes. Like what the fuck??
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What’s up UNCLE CHAEL! Me and my bro watch you from Mexico. Much respect to you and I think retired fighters should be judged that’s a brilliant idea amigo.
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Former mma fighters would be a better alternative, but they will need to screened for bias. If a former teammate is fighting, the judge shouldn't officiate.
Not sure screening for biases would help all that much because they would still have them. In addition to gym alliances, they might dislike a former rival or someone who talked trash to them or their friends. The masses who are so quick to say yes to this are extremely short sighted. They also have biases toward and against specific fighting styles. More regulated and competent judges are needed, but former fighters are about the worst possible candidates.
@@joshnagel8819 I agree with you.
Or a former rival, teamates rival, someone who left their gym on bad terms, etc.... Like in fight picks teamates will pick eachother everytime aslong as they aint colby, imagine them judging....
Thanks for the fights and the videos you gave us this decade Chael!!
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I agree with Chael I think the judging problems in the UFC are exaggerated. Come on it's not boxing or One Championship..
Same judges
@@Willie-C Yeah IDK what's wrong with boxing. IDK if it's the corruption or it's just judges looking at different than the public. IDK much about boxing, but most of the time if they call it different than I would've in the UFC I can understand it. Like the recent Aldo fight I had Aldo, but I can understand it going the other way. People like Joe Rogan are always talking about something different than the 10-9 system but never give you a comprehensive way to do it different. Glory does some interesting things like open scoring but like Chael said before there's drawbacks for that too.
Chaels talk about prime is pretty good. There are physical limitations but motivation is huge.
Keep the fan questions coming!
it's a great idea but the ex fighters who are going to judge should be long retired, have no chance of making a comeback or have no affiliations with current fighters or camps? eg: Bas Rutten, yves edwards and don't hate me when I say this but brendan schaub. might not be the best examples but along those lines? open to interpretation
What's the difference between Uncle Chael and Superman?
I do not know the answer either.
Superman has a weakness!
Uncle Chael has stronger arms
Hey chael, who was your favorite dance partner (favorite guy to fight/trash talk)?
Yes the judges should 100 percent be ex mma fighters that actually know what they are watching. The points system needs to be changed. It’s not boxing it’s a different sport, and there should be 5 judges and they take the 3 closest score cards out of the 5 to determine who wins. Sometime judges think a fighter is winning a round just because he’s advancing more. With how different some judges score cards are for the same fight something need to change.
as long as the fighters wont be biased. make it so they cant judge fighters they fought etc
Absolutely judging needs to change.
love these videos Cheal its great to get the opinion of such a genius at all aspects of the sport keep up the great work man.
Happy new year Chael sir
And happy new year Guys
Happy new year chael!!!!! 🤘 thank you
Change the scoring to be simple knockout, choke out or tie, the ref should be there only for fighter safety. This is more fair since no judge bias, rewards being a tough SOB and gives a true measure of who really is the best.
A fighters "prime" to me isn't when they are their biggest or fastest but when they can weave all the skills they have together the best.
Absolutely! Until there is a more MMA specific scoring system. Retired fighters makes the most logical sense for the short term.
Too many grudges / bias towards friends or former teammates.
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I agree and it’s crazy that it has flipped back and forth all through out time.
Wanderlei has no way too lose
Then later his chin goes and he really doesn’t have a chance too win.Now once again he is the better fighter all these years later it’s wierd.
Nah, not particularly. Too many have a bias towards their preferred discipline. Also, they better have no gym/training affiliations with anyone fighting or thats gonna cause controversises too
Agreed. It would cause a lot more controversy than it already has.
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I see this mostly being a problem with former wrestlers.
Can't wait to see Chaels comeback fight in 2020
As for positioning the only way that this would make sense is if there wasn't around system. At the end of the round they start back neutral. Heart of the arsenal of weapons that a fighter has is time management. Sometimes just defending to get out of the round is very necessary and I don't think it would benefit any Fighters too greatly if that wasn't an option.
The answer is yes, they can judge it at a higher level than the non athletes
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The issue is that there's no such thing as "mma judges" there are just commission judges and they can be sent to boxing or mm5or muay thai matches regardless of which sport they're more familiar with
Just turned on espn two seconds later it's off and im listening to Mr Sonnens words of wisdom.
Definitely not. A retired fighter could be biased against someone for many reasons. A change in the scoring system is needed. At the least
No, fighters (retired or not) have too many connections that could easily prejudice their objectivity. I'm thinking the "answer" to the "problem" would be a combination of two things...…(1) Fundamental changes to the method by which points are accumulated; something that encourages substantial offense and rewards accordingly for robust defensive prowess as well. (2) A training and certification program for judges and referee's.
i love the argument "you're not a pro fighter so you cant judge..." (or something along those lines) because i respond with "have you ever said a movie was bad? are you a director?" its the exact same situation but in a different sector of entertainment
It would be better if there were more than three judges on the panel to mitigate for poor decisions. One bad call can not only fuck up a fighter's record, but it can also make or break their ability to obtain any win bonuses.
The only problem I see with former fighters being judges is they can still have favoritism towards a fighter they used to have as a team mate or have some sort of connection with. MMA fighting is a small community so it would be tedious to have to research the judge before assigning them to a fight and make sure it can be more objective.
Love the prime question. It really is about mind motivation & body firing together
They should stop scoring takedowns so high if they can’t keep the opponent down
The problem is the fans dont get to see the punishment or responsibility taken after the fight towards a judge... the fight is already over and the bad call has been made.
Change the judging from 3 judges to 5 judges and use retired fighters. Filter out any bias by avoiding employing retired fighters with relations to fighters on the card, easier said than done though.
No. You, should replace all mma judges, who better than the undisputed, undefeated, biggest arms in West Linn Oregon uncle Chael P. Sonnen
10 point rounds are a massive problem in MMA.
Boxing has only gloves as weapons. It's easy to call a fight.
MMA has fists, elbows, shoulders, knees and feet. That's just striking! Add ground game into it and a 10/9 round doesn't seem like a realistic reflection of what happened over a 300 second round.
A better scoring system is needed regardless of who does the judging. How much should a power shot be rewarded, should a takedown be rewarded the same etc. What about leg kicks. Theres so many different variables in mma and I can understand why the judging is sometimes off
Also, I think the ufc should allow fan voting during fights to see how the fans felt. Don’t let them determine the outcome but just to show how off the judges can be. Only make it accessible for people with espn plus also. During the fights and the end of every round let the people who pay for the service score the round and show it at the end of the fight. I’m only saying people who pay for ESPN+ just to give us more of an incentive to buy it and fan involvement would make the service more fun.
Guys, tighten up your questions. A lot of you haven't even rolled it out in your own head before videoing it. Do a couple of practices to make it smoother and concise.
In a perfect world yes they should. But they just don’t do it. No one is stopping them.
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Former fighters could certainly be judges, but the real question as Chael points out is whether you are a good judge. Judges simply need a peer review process like everyone else.
Speaking from experience... I can say, despite contrary opinion, those judges are usually right on the money with each other.
I've rarely seen much disparity on the score cards in the way they see and judge the rounds.
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Retired fighters should always be the judges. Makes total sense.
This is awesome to see-- I've had these ideas/questions for awhile now. Not only retired fighters as refs, but there are SO many old, out of shape men working security-- almost every female fighter could knock them out, let a lone the men-- these could be transition jobs for retiring fighters.
Have also been hoping to see the ref-cam (PFL used it this weekend and a sky-cam would be nice too)-- if UFC added those & mics for sound bytes you can only hear through a certain package on ESPN? Would get more subs.
Obviously the gloves need to be addressed but that's a broken record.
Long list of things that could improve it-- but none more than the rankings. If they're not going to be legit/accurate/have any credibility, a fan vote/fighter vote should form those rather than the PROMOTER lol.
We don’t usually see a fourth fight because there’s no need for one imo. One way or another it’s always been settled by the third plus trilogies take place over a number of years so quite often a fourth would be ruled out by time.
Participation is needed from the promoters. I hope all fighters get treated the way they deserve.
Yeah for sure uncle chael. Retired fighters should replace the judges.
biased judging
It would be great unless there was conflict of interest upon previous fights or beefs.
I think having fighters as judges would be good and bad . Good cause they know what they’re talking about , but bad because if say the judge , judges the fight wrong and that fighter than holds a grudge with a fighter / judge .
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Can’t wait for the judges grudge matches.
No, too many personal biases are likely to influence results, sure, the current crop of MMA judges need a cleanout and the scoring system needs to be made concrete. With either of those circumstances there will always be influences, the disparity in scorecards in the present time shows exactly that.
"on first glance..." No not on first glance. Adelaide Bird is still judging, and Matt Hughes is not. That's not just a paper problem.
In other sports (football, tennis etc etc.) the referees, umpires etc. go through lots of training and generally have to work their way up from the bottom as the athletes do, I'm unclear as to what qualifications or experience MMA judges (and boxing judges too) are required to have to work for major promotions.
Also personally I find it ridiculous that anyone can say the judging right now is fine and should be left alone, when we are getting scorecards that have 2 judges scoring it 29-28 and 30-27 for one fighter and then the third judge has it 30-27 for the other, that in my eyes is just ridiculous, to have two judges score a fight completely opposite ways means that the judging system, the requirements to become a judge, the judges themselves, or all three of these things need to be adjusted and improved so that we don't have fighters, fans and analysts almost universally disagreeing with the judges on at least 1 fight a week now it seems. As the guy said, this is not only affecting fighters records, but also their paychecks, and that definitely doesn't seem fair in any way.
Aaaaaahh!! Listening to those questions about judging was like binge watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Spit it out already!
Yes that’s a great idea....as far as dropping weight...I always felt weight cutting was not cool fighters should be weighed 5 mins before a fight...
Trust
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Charl has said in the past motivation doesn’t matter
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I would argue that Roy knows how to wrestle. The problem is that commisions have judges that don't know how to fight.
I think it would be cool to hear me out if Masvidal and another fighter fought for the BMF belt and agreed to each other to weigh in at 165 pounds. They could promote it that way in the media and go over Dana's head and then find another opponent willing to carry on the 165 weight when fighting whoever posses the bmf. Cons they might get a pay cut and probably other things i havent thought of.
I really enjoy his insight in all issues of ufc
Size matters
Hey Chael, Matt again. Hope everything is going well and just curious if you thought about that whole job thing. Thanks hope to hear from ya
Chris Campbell was 37-38 when he won the bronze.
Good idea , until guy or two who u beat/retire judge ur fight .
Hey chael , did you fight at the the Taj Mahal in New Jersey around 15-18 years ago in a non ufc event? Just found a photo in a photo album with you from when I was 9
I’ll dm it to you on IG
Lemme know if there’s any other families faces
Def never because of swinging a fight one way towards bets
I know this is an older post but I think the judges should really be trained by the UFC/other promotions in the value of aspects outside of striking.