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he could have a legendary titan, as in go's token episode he encounters a regiice. Since all of the regis are supposed to be held by brandon, this could mean that there are multiple of the titan pokemon
also we have had no indication that there were more then 1 hoho, but since there are multiple lugias it could be a possibility, but then again tobias has a darkrai which we never knew there was more then one of them until x and y
Why does having Latios imply he has Latias, but Entei means he doesn’t have his counterparts! That seems like a double standard. Especially for Darkrai and Cresselia! If he can’t have Ho-oh, he can’t have Lugia! My take would keep the same 1st 3 as yours, Heatran, Zapdos(I agree with your reasoning for those 2) & Deoxys (because I consider Regigigas as the land version of Ho-oh & Lugia & agreed with the rest of your comments throughout the video & found it the most probable.)
I think he has a Lucario because Pikachu is seen battleling Lucario in the Japanese opening during the sinnoh league rigth after the shots of Darkrai and Entei
By Speculations, Half of his team is Legendary. 1) Darkrai {Ace} 2) Latios 3) Entei - Opening Song of Sinnoh League Victors where Ash's Pokemon were battling Darkrai & Entei. Only Tobias had Darkrai in Sinnoh League so most probably He also has Entei. 4) Lucario - This can be as well. Cuz in Japanese Opening of 4th Season of DP series. Pikachu was actually battling an unknown Lucario + Tobias is capable of training a Lucario. 5) Latias or Cresselia - Can't Say but Cresselia won't be cuz she is featured in Recent episodes 6) Any Sinnoh Starter.
@@jugalkishor4569 there are multiple Cresselia because there are multiple Darkrai. Lugia or one of the legendary birds would also be Pokémon Tobias would own.
I think he can return in masters 8...or maybe in hyper class as they don't have to revil his full team if he return in hyper class they can revil only 3 Pokemon 🤔🤔🤔
In the Japanese intro it showed Pikachu fighting a lucario. I think it’s possibly confirmed he had a strong Lucario who helped him catch those legendaries
@@MisanthropicHaze We've seen the way Legendaries can bond with people in the movies, especially Latias and Latios. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if his first Pokemon was a Fateful Encounter with one of those two.
@@flamboyantwarlock7101 That would not only be hard to believe, it would honestly also take away from his talent. He would go from being a dude who conquered legendaries to just a dude who got picked by one. It just makes more sense narratively for him to have an actual starter.
@@vegetalover9297 Its not confirmed in a straight manner, but Cynthia was STILL a champion in Pokemon black and white, which means no one has defeated her, so there is only three options : 1. Tobias did not want to fight Cynthia 2. Tobias lost to Cynthia 3. Tobias lost to a elite four member
@@ivandekad7249 Could be? The whole plot of the Deoxys film is that one deoxys is looking for another. It's primary ability is being able to make a few thousand clones of itself for an alien invasion. Brendon then catches a completely different deoxys right after Ryquaza smashes the meteor apart. And then Max makes friends with yet another baby deoxys over in kanto! Within a single generation we saw four of the damn things crash into the planet, and any one of them might come across tobias.
I agree, specially because if he has one it doesn't mess with any previous event that happened in the anime as Deoxys is not an important part of the Hoenn story. If there was multiple Deoxys or Tobias just having the only Deoxys in existence won't contradict anything so it's fair game.
By Speculations, Half of his team is Legendary. 1) Darkrai {Ace} 2) Latios 3) Entei - Opening Song of Sinnoh League Victors where Ash's Pokemon were battling Darkrai & Entei. Only Tobias had Darkrai in Sinnoh League so most probably He also has Entei. 4) Lucario - This can be as well. Cuz in Japanese Opening of 4th Season of DP series. Pikachu was actually battling an unknown Lucario + Tobias is capable of training a Lucario. 5) Latias or Cresselia - Can't Say but Cresselia won't be cuz she is featured in Recent episodes 6) Any Sinnoh Starter.
We know that Cynthia comes back later, and is still the champion. I wonder if that means that Tobias doesn’t have a full legendary team - because “logically” nobody is clapping 6 legendaries. But then again, maybe he didn’t even challenge the Elite 4 and Cynthia so that he could continue his travels and not be tied down in Sinnoh as the regions champion? I hope we get to see him again another day
dont underestimate cynthia, she is hyped up in the games and the show as basically the second most powerful trainer on the planet, now the third after he defeat at ashe's hands, who's become a master, with leon as number 2 and cynthia number 3. even then, as the third strongest trainer, if ANYONE can solo a team of legendary pokemon, its the likes of cynthia. especially if others on tobias's team were weak to dragon types, like garchomp.
@@prodecks6654yeah. And Cynthia is someone who studies legends. That woman was probably prepping for that fight like batman. And he had to beat the elite four first, which were shown in the show to already be leagues above Ash. So by battling them he may have revealed more of his team making prep even more possible.
@@ernest292 dude did you not read the comment carefully, I said we joked that what if his remaining Pokemon were magikarp because all we knew he had was Darkrai. This was before he sent out Latios to the battle. Also we didn’t watch Diamond and Pearl all the way through, we only saw bits and pieces and most sites would cut out the opening theme.
literally my least favorite episode and worst part of the sinnoh campaign was this guy. seeing ash go out like a chump after beating paul was sooooo bad
I loved seeing a character like Tobias, someone who is skilled enough to capture legendaries and smart enough to use them in the league. Seriously, he feels like a player character who, just like most of us, decided to get the best team he could and then use it to win. I think for the anime they wanted a cool "boss" fight for Ash, but Tobias is honestly just a very interesting character - how DID he catch those pokemon? Where did he come from? What are his goals now that he's won? I'd love to see him return, even though it is unlikely. I wanna see the rest of his team haha
I like the idea of what you said that “he feels like a player character who, just like most of us” and I can see that. Maybe that’s the idea they were going for on here?
He was just introduced to stop ash from winning. They wanted to continue the anime and if they let ash win the sinnoh league they wouldn’t be able to do that. He also completely disappeared after that episode.
Always hoped and wished they would put Tobias in the remakes or even in B2/W2's PWT. Would definitely have been dope to see his full team and to battle him.
Awesome video!! I definitely agree on some of your options, especially Entei & Latias! I never used to be too big on the Lugia suggestion because I felt like it would overshadow Darkrai, but I liked your reasoning behind it. I personally think his full team is Darkrai, Latios, Latias, Entei, Lucario and then maybe Heatran or Zapdos. I know Lucario isn't a Legendary Pokemon, but it's pretty legendary nonetheless haha. Let's hope we see his full team someday! Keep up the great videos, I really enjoyed this one!
Yea I'm leaning more towards this because Lucario is a pseudo legendary still having the legendary title. It's possible that it's heatran because the trainer with the heatran was never shown again so assuming that the anime writers was trying to show a pokemon that Tobias has but with another trainer to throw us off. I'm not sure about regigigas because of Brandon. Trainers have lots of the legendary birds.
The entei one is something that always caught my attention as it very much could have been a part of Tobias' team imo. As right after Infernape clashes with it we see Buizel clash with Darkrai which we know belongs to Ash as no one else at that point uses Buizel. It is interesting how so many legendaries showed up at that point of the series. Idk if Journeys will show him but it would be nice to see him again even though we know what he did...afterall Ash did reference Tobias during the Cresselia/Darkrai 2 parter with Dawn!
He'd have one non-legendary Pokemon. His starter, but this Pokemon would probably be his strongest since it enabled him to catch legendary and mythical Pokemon. So Ash the 2nd strongest trainer in the tournament was in no shape to confront the best of Tobias' A game. OOF.
But his starter could very well have been a legendary or mythical. Pokemon like Darkrai, Latias, Latios, Phione, Shaymin or Celebi come to mind as they're one of the few legendaries and mythicals confirmed to be in multiples in the anime. I don't personally think he has a full team of legendaries, but doesn't mean he couldn't. Also it's possible to ditch a starter when doing a competitive team.
Which is exactly why he'll never return. There is no good storyline you can craft with a character like that. Anything that a normal trainer struggles with, or even Ash, Tobias easily crushes, and anything that Tobias actually struggles with absolutely CRUSHES normal trainers. The only people that can really challenge Tobias are likely elite 4 members or region champions.
I remember being a young kid watching that episode & as soon as I seen he had a legendary & then another I was sooo pissed cause I knew my boy ash was gonna take that L…
I don't watch Pokemon that often, so my first time hearing Tobias' character was when my friend literally said: "That one guy in the anime who treated the anime like it was the Pokemon games" This actually being my first time seeing Tobias' 1/4 full power, I could say that he is correct.
I've always imagined Tobias's full team being Darkrai, Latios, Heatran, Suicune, Zapdos, and Mewtwo, but I can understand your choices and do respect your opinion.
Getting mewtwo would be the only one that doesn't make sense. All of the others are a species with a population, and multiple individuals some with drastly different personalities. Mewtwo on the other hand, there are only two of them in existence, and whether it's the boy mewtwo or the girl one, the only way you're keeping them in the ball is diplomacy. Red manages to "sorta" catch the first mewtwo, and in the manga they go on adventures together using a giant spoon as a club. The second mewtwo is more stable, less insane, but also not very combative.
his is a conjecture, it's yours that is just an opinion. Entei is confirmed. So Heatran cannot be there due to being another fire type, and Mewtwo there's only 2 in existence. One of which belongs to Red
Raf meant that Tobias wouldn't have only relied on only bringing 2 Pokemon or less than 6 so he definitely had 6 Pokemon. The point is Cameron didn't realize a full battle was 6 Pokemon and ONLY brought 5 Pokemon so therefore had Ash defeated 5 Pokemon, Cameron would've lost, likewise Tobias would have had a FULL team so its not like if Ash did outright defeat Latios, Tobias would've shrugged his shoulders and said "I have no more Pokemon"
@@dustinbenzel8704 wait, that's what happened in the anime? I thought he had 6 the whole time and the reason it was blank was because they hadn't decided at the time what Cameron's sixth would be but, he did have six. Where is it stated he only brought 5 to his battle with Ash?
@@michaeldaniels642 No what happened is Cameron only had 5 Pokemon with him when he battled Ash because he thought a full battle was only 5 Pokemon, upon learning it was 6 Pokemon he used 6 Pokemon against Virgil. So had Ash defeated Lucario he would've won the battle. There's a reason why the battle with Cameron is the most hated league battle, even more than Tobias. Know that these episodes especially back to back episodes are made far in advance. So it makes no sense that they wouldn't have decided on Cameron's 6th Pokemon when fully animating the episode, and just randomly gave him a Watchog against Virgil. Episodes are made months in advance.
Interesting idea, but I would keep the legendary titans on the list. We already know multiple of legendary Pokémon can exist (moltres being seen in Kanto, Orange Islands, Sevii Islands, and Kalos, for example) and I can definitely see Tobias having a regirock or regice.
This does not confirm that they are different Moltes though, technically it could be the same one every time. I do agree that it has been showed that there could be more than one of these legendary species but we do not know which one there are multiple unless it has been explicitly confirmed and to be honest if there's only one or multiple of these mons is only decided based on the plot that the anime needs.
I don't think there are multiple titans, though Given that they were made by regigigas, and that arceus didn't like it, I think they are all the only ones of their species
is there only one legendary in the whole regions? one is to one in other word? if you catch suicune, there is no suicune now in other regions because u already catch one and only suicune right? correct me if i am wrong
Tobias is an AR Code User Player. Perfect for The Cheat Engine Generation. We haven't seen any trainer like him. It's like they were promoting AR Cheat Engine.
This is very interesting and I think this could be Tobias’s full team also The opening also showed Pikachu fighting a Lucario so Tobias could’ve had a Lucario as a member and probably the only Noun legendary of his team.
Except for Torkoal and Swellow, Ash and his team did a fantastic job against Tobias. Both Trainers were pretty good sports about the battle afterwards and I liked how Ash wished Tobias luck for the finals.
If Ash and Tobias will have a future rematch. I would love to see the him having the following vs Ash's team. Tobias. Vs. Ash 1 DARKRAI vs Gengar 2 LATIOS vs Pikachu 3 Latias vs Dragonite 4 ENTEI vs Greninja 5 ZERAORA vs INFERNAPE 6 REGIGAS vs MELMETAL
"A team chalk full of legendary pokemon" does not mean it's made entirely of legendaries, just a lot compared to other trainers, especially seeing as that quote is translated and overexaggerated for that occasion. Considering the draco meteor comment, I think it's safe to assume that Tobias had Latias, and then the rest of his team was entirely dragon types (Garchomp, Dragonite, etc).
It isn't safe to assume that at all, the draco meteor comment was just to say that Ash made a good play, it wasn't even referring to his own team and even if it was that doesn't necessarily mean super-effectiveness. Why would his ace be darkrai if he is a dragon trainer? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense
I would just introduce 2 changes. Instead of Latias, give him Regigigas. He already has Latios, latias along with latios being same type is.... meh! Also, Zapdos is trash. Give him Rayquaza/Deoxys.
We saw Tobias using just 2 Pokemon, and both mythical. So let's assume mythical Pokemon is his theme. If he returns , i think this will be his best all mythical team, with minimal type overlap and proper battle worthy Pokemon .. Darkrai, Latios, Volcanion, Zeraora, Marshadow, Magearna.
I actually think it's pretty likely that Tobias could have had a Deoxys on his team, in my opinion. Deoxys has appeared multiple times, whether it be in the movies or in the show. One of its show appearances was actually in the Sinnoh region. Plus, it fits in with Tobias' battle style of using fast Pokémon. I wouldn't put it past him if he had one.
plot twist: He won't return for the world cup, he will return for project mew, and be the one to catch mew right infront of goh seeing he doesn't have enough mythical pokemon already
Here's an interesting fact. The screenplay of the episode "League Unleashed", which was the episode where we first see Tobias and his Darkrai, was written by Shinzō Fujita who wrote the screenplay for the episodes where Ash lost to Cameron who forgot to bring 6 Pokémon and the episode where Ash lost the Kalos League Finals.
@@ashgreninja-flurriko2173 why did he get fired did the people were sick of him writing the episodes for the league and making ash lose and then fired him
@@YlO414 Look at this. This was 3 days ago. "Literally the worst Anipoke writer in existence. SO glad he got fired after making Ash/Satoshi lose the Kalos League."
@@ashgreninja-flurriko2173 it's a good thing he got fired for a good because if the people that work for the show didn't fire him he could have made Ash lost the Aloha league and the show would have been different than today so now we all know this writer is responsible for writing the first 6 of Ash League losses
It is nice if Tobias' will appear on future episode's of shord and shield, he will be a tough contender for ash or go for the project mew as we all knew tobias love to collect a over power pokemon.
Him using the legendaries is a mercy. Whatever his start pokemon was, now that's the menace. He caught those legendaries somehow guys and we saw Red on screen and in manga take down a Mewtwo with a Charizard so we know it's possible for skilled trainers to pull it off
having 1 legendary in the anime is rare enough let alone an entire team i know the writers made him too op but giving him something like a lugia is just too op
If ash and tobioas has an rematch I’ll love to see ash pick greninja infernape charizard pikachu dragonite and Lucario man ohhh man that would be a fight to see
An encounter with Tobias would be the perfect time to introduce gigantamax melmetal into the series, so if he and ash clashed, I think ash would be best off using definitely Melmetal and if he’s able to contact the Aether Foundation, he could try reconnect with Naganadel. Or he might be able to reconnect with Nebby, and add Nebby to his team, a good time to show off solgaleo’s z move again!
Amazing video That aside, I'll also consider gen 5 leggies and mythicals since we usually see post-gen pokemon in the current gen (minus in gen 7-8). So if we look at them, Victini being victory pokemon seems like a good fit with Tobias imo
Big disagree on latias, for the same reasons you excluded the other legendary beasts and birds. Big disagree on regigigas and lugia too, simply because I think they are _way_ too strong and important to go on his team. Outside of that, I disagree with the lineup because of its horrible type coverage, 3 pokemon weak to rock, 3 weak to dark, 4 weak to ice... I get that type coverage matters way less in the anime, but I still don't think it makes much sense given his skill/power. Otherwise I agree for the most part, and it was a solid analysis. Good vid 👍
They had to bring a trainer with legendaries to make Ash lose this league, there is no other purpose... that's how strong was Ash in this season, not even the dude in the final could beat the Darkrai of Tobias meanwhile Ash has beaten not only his Darkrai but also his Latios. Is also the first and only league where Ash finally used his old strong mons (Except Torkoal) to have a better chance winning it. Tobias will never make an apperance again, nobody remembers him in the anime... like it never existed, not even a flashback, it was a badly written character just with the purpose to make Ash lose, nothing else, he was never mentioned again after the league... in the moment I saw Tobias with his Darkrai I already knew that Ash was gonna lose against him.
After the episode was aired, the director leaked who the rest of team was and they were 3. Mewtwo 4. Wargreymon 5. Perfect Cell 6. Galactos So yeah ash aint winning
The introduction of Tobias made me think ash should’ve finally started catching mythical and/or legendaries in the series like meloetta. Mean 3 pkmn each to take down 1 of Tobias’s and normally they were 1 hit KOs. Also both pkmn Tobias had were mythical not legendaries, and I could definitely see cresselia still before any of the legendary birds
Ash technically did catch a legendary and a mythical Pokémon Melmetal and sogaleo as showing in the last battle vs Leon I would of liked to see Tobias make a return but there would be to much hate towards it then
@@Savitar11111 sogolao, who’s that? And honestly even if he did go against Tobias again, he’d most likely lose. The first actual region pokemon league was alola, which was a newly formed one. I’d accept him winning the Orange islands league before it. Ntm Tobias’ line-up we really don’t know all of them, but it’s pretty much comparable to Steven with his fossil pkmn and metagross
@@sabre4382 sogaleo is the sun Pokémon in Pokémon sun and moon and yeah I think Tobias would still win in a fight against ash but he would have to use all 6 Pokémon to defeat ash
Theory:I think the reason why Tobias might own an entei is because if you remember in the diamond and Pearl Sinnoh league victors opening,we see ash sending out infernape to battle an entei but in the anime it never happened,so I think in a future episode,Tobias will return to battle ash and maybe infernape will return to battle entei
I love the headcanon that Tobias is an Arceus in disguise who felt the need to endure Ash would continue journeying after Sinnoh. E.g after Ash won the League in Alola, he stops traveling for a while until he gets the job as research assistant. Then after the World Cup victory, he seems to just be wandering around places he's already been for the sake of it. If he won the Sinnoh Cup and settled down, he'd have gotten none of the character development he got in the other regions, and a lot of tragedies that Ash stopped would happen now. So Arceus, being a benevolent deity, decides to ensure the better timeline by humbling one Pallet Boi. In this hypothetical timeline, I'd pitch his team as Darkrai, Latios, Entei, Regigigas, Giratina, and then himself. So if Ash brought the right team and knocked out the first five, Tobias himself would step onto the field and take his true form.
I think he can return in masters 8...or maybe in hyper class as they don't have to revil his full team if he return in hyper class they can revil only 3 Pokemon 🤔🤔🤔
There's no saying that they won't bump up the Pokemon when Ash gets to the final hyper class. And also remember we've only seen masters class having only 1 vs 1. The point is, the writers entirely decide the match ups, so Tobias could reveal 6 Pokemon and just like Bea as well just choose three if it is a 3 vs 3. Remember Leon did say "I wish there was more to see" when talking about Ash vs Bea, so maybe they'll increase the number.
Honestly, I'm in support of your theory for his full team. Definitely makes sense for him to have the Legendaries you mentioned. I feel like Tobias winning the Sinnoh League represented how so many of us (who played Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum) cheated to get early access to Darkrai, Shaymin, and even Arceus. Who else used an Action Replay for DPP? (raises hand)
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he could have a legendary titan, as in go's token episode he encounters a regiice. Since all of the regis are supposed to be held by brandon, this could mean that there are multiple of the titan pokemon
also we have had no indication that there were more then 1 hoho, but since there are multiple lugias it could be a possibility, but then again tobias has a darkrai which we never knew there was more then one of them until x and y
Thank you :)
Why does having Latios imply he has Latias, but Entei means he doesn’t have his counterparts! That seems like a double standard. Especially for Darkrai and Cresselia!
If he can’t have Ho-oh, he can’t have Lugia!
My take would keep the same 1st 3 as yours, Heatran, Zapdos(I agree with your reasoning for those 2) & Deoxys (because I consider Regigigas as the land version of Ho-oh & Lugia & agreed with the rest of your comments throughout the video & found it the most probable.)
I think he has a Lucario
because Pikachu is seen battleling Lucario in the Japanese opening during the sinnoh league rigth after the shots of Darkrai and Entei
if he has a full team of legendaries, i'm taking away his action replay.
By Speculations, Half of his team is Legendary.
1) Darkrai {Ace}
2) Latios
3) Entei - Opening Song of Sinnoh League Victors where Ash's Pokemon were battling Darkrai & Entei. Only Tobias had Darkrai in Sinnoh League so most probably He also has Entei.
4) Lucario - This can be as well. Cuz in Japanese Opening of 4th Season of DP series. Pikachu was actually battling an unknown Lucario + Tobias is capable of training a Lucario.
5) Latias or Cresselia - Can't Say but Cresselia won't be cuz she is featured in Recent episodes
6) Any Sinnoh Starter.
If you do that he'll just pkhex them in with Powersaves.
@@jugalkishor4569 alakazam since tobias name in japanese means prodigy
@@jugalkishor4569 I imagine Tobiad's starter was Infernape
@@jugalkishor4569 there are multiple Cresselia because there are multiple Darkrai. Lugia or one of the legendary birds would also be Pokémon Tobias would own.
Tobias needs to get a Pokémon evolutions episode.
THIS
Plugging an action replay into his computer ain't that exciting lol
Actual Tobias complete team:
1. Darkrai
2: Latios
3. Chuck Norris
4. Thanos
5. Sauron
6. Jesus Christ
LMAO
Does Sauron have his held item the One Ring
Just imagine he returns in JN, & have a rematch battle with Ash!!!
I have been waiting like forever for that
I starting watching journeys only bcoz there is the faintest possibility of him returning
I think he can return in masters 8...or maybe in hyper class as they don't have to revil his full team if he return in hyper class they can revil only 3 Pokemon 🤔🤔🤔
Oh no. I hope not.
I want ash to win against tobias and that would be a fitting redemption after what he did in lily of valley conference
Tobias: *reveals All His Legendaries*
Ash-Greninja: Satoshi Sensei, I Will Not Dissapoint You.
Greninja can start proving himself by coming back already!!
Ye
*Brings out Arceus, Origin Palkia and*
*Dialga, Giratina, Necrozma*
@@xXPIEATERXxultra necrozma
@@xXPIEATERXx no bid oof and clodsire
In the Japanese intro it showed Pikachu fighting a lucario. I think it’s possibly confirmed he had a strong Lucario who helped him catch those legendaries
Not even close
@@brendonharris9310 I mean logically he had a non-legendary he used to catch the legendaries.. VERY doubtful his starter was Darkrai or Latios lol.
@@MisanthropicHaze We've seen the way Legendaries can bond with people in the movies, especially Latias and Latios. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if his first Pokemon was a Fateful Encounter with one of those two.
@@flamboyantwarlock7101 That would not only be hard to believe, it would honestly also take away from his talent. He would go from being a dude who conquered legendaries to just a dude who got picked by one. It just makes more sense narratively for him to have an actual starter.
@@MisanthropicHazeOr he's just too talented Legendaries goes to HIM to be trained by HIM
I would like us to see how Tobias encountered and caught all of his legendaries if and when he comes back.
you didnt know he caught a bunch of starly and used PKHEX to change them to legendaries LOL
nah, some things are better if left as an mystery.
@@igorgiuseppe1862 that’s what I think their plan is to never reveal anything else about him because he was so mysterious
@@jld12er30 😂😂
Apparently he won all 8 badges using Darkrai... so he caught it with his starter pokemon...?
If he is having a full legendary team, then he is literally a legendary spammer in Showdown. BTW great video mate
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And he still lost to Cynthia
@@vegetalover9297 It wasn't confirmed whether he fought Cynthia or not.
@@SpiritedFalcon I thought it was
@@vegetalover9297 Its not confirmed in a straight manner, but Cynthia was STILL a champion in Pokemon black and white, which means no one has defeated her, so there is only three options :
1. Tobias did not want to fight Cynthia
2. Tobias lost to Cynthia
3. Tobias lost to a elite four member
Dunno why but I think Deoxys would fit really nice in his team.
RIGHT? cause we know for a fact there could be multiple Deoxys
@@ivandekad7249 Could be? The whole plot of the Deoxys film is that one deoxys is looking for another. It's primary ability is being able to make a few thousand clones of itself for an alien invasion. Brendon then catches a completely different deoxys right after Ryquaza smashes the meteor apart. And then Max makes friends with yet another baby deoxys over in kanto! Within a single generation we saw four of the damn things crash into the planet, and any one of them might come across tobias.
I agree, specially because if he has one it doesn't mess with any previous event that happened in the anime as Deoxys is not an important part of the Hoenn story. If there was multiple Deoxys or Tobias just having the only Deoxys in existence won't contradict anything so it's fair game.
By Speculations, Half of his team is Legendary.
1) Darkrai {Ace}
2) Latios
3) Entei - Opening Song of Sinnoh League Victors where Ash's Pokemon were battling Darkrai & Entei. Only Tobias had Darkrai in Sinnoh League so most probably He also has Entei.
4) Lucario - This can be as well. Cuz in Japanese Opening of 4th Season of DP series. Pikachu was actually battling an unknown Lucario + Tobias is capable of training a Lucario.
5) Latias or Cresselia - Can't Say but Cresselia won't be cuz she is featured in Recent episodes
6) Any Sinnoh Starter.
It kinda work in a way
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Bidoof
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Tobias was born in Hoenn. So I think he started with a Mudkip.
I would say his team would be:
- Swampert
- Lucario
- Latios
- Latias
- Entei
- Darkrai
We know that Cynthia comes back later, and is still the champion. I wonder if that means that Tobias doesn’t have a full legendary team - because “logically” nobody is clapping 6 legendaries.
But then again, maybe he didn’t even challenge the Elite 4 and Cynthia so that he could continue his travels and not be tied down in Sinnoh as the regions champion?
I hope we get to see him again another day
dont underestimate cynthia, she is hyped up in the games and the show as basically the second most powerful trainer on the planet, now the third after he defeat at ashe's hands, who's become a master, with leon as number 2 and cynthia number 3.
even then, as the third strongest trainer, if ANYONE can solo a team of legendary pokemon, its the likes of cynthia. especially if others on tobias's team were weak to dragon types, like garchomp.
@@prodecks6654yeah. And Cynthia is someone who studies legends. That woman was probably prepping for that fight like batman. And he had to beat the elite four first, which were shown in the show to already be leagues above Ash. So by battling them he may have revealed more of his team making prep even more possible.
I think Cynthia would kick his ass
@@elise6894 Never
Before we knew he had Latios, my bro and I joked about what his team would be. So we said “watch the remaining 5 slots are all shiny Magikarp”
Darkrai was his 1st Legendary capture. So Before Latios he would have that Lucario in the Japanese opening then Caught Latios & Entei
@@ernest292 dude did you not read the comment carefully, I said we joked that what if his remaining Pokemon were magikarp because all we knew he had was Darkrai. This was before he sent out Latios to the battle.
Also we didn’t watch Diamond and Pearl all the way through, we only saw bits and pieces and most sites would cut out the opening theme.
We need a return of Tobias I enjoyed him being so mysterious and trying to find out his team.
literally my least favorite episode and worst part of the sinnoh campaign was this guy. seeing ash go out like a chump after beating paul was sooooo bad
I loved seeing a character like Tobias, someone who is skilled enough to capture legendaries and smart enough to use them in the league. Seriously, he feels like a player character who, just like most of us, decided to get the best team he could and then use it to win.
I think for the anime they wanted a cool "boss" fight for Ash, but Tobias is honestly just a very interesting character - how DID he catch those pokemon? Where did he come from? What are his goals now that he's won? I'd love to see him return, even though it is unlikely. I wanna see the rest of his team haha
I like the idea of what you said that “he feels like a player character who, just like most of us” and I can see that.
Maybe that’s the idea they were going for on here?
@@Nitro2393 Never have I used a legendary Pokémon in my main team even as a child decades ago. I remember finding them too slow to level up. XD
@@Nitro2393 the idea they were going for is preventing ash from winning sinnoh
He was just introduced to stop ash from winning. They wanted to continue the anime and if they let ash win the sinnoh league they wouldn’t be able to do that. He also completely disappeared after that episode.
Yeah it’s a gold mine they’re never going to let us see
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Lmao imagine he shows back up for the next league with a UltraNecrozma, mega Rayquaza, and an Origin arceus.
Flee
Bro gonna catch the god of pokemon 💀
@@jonnyrico3583he probably will considering he had 2 confirmed legendaries IN THE 4TH SERIES
That would actually be kinda dope, ngl
They honestly have to really bring back non game characters like Paul, Tobias and Alain back already
ash is trolling for bringing a fcking gibble in a tournament 😂
If he would’ve captured non legendary Pokémon Ash would’ve been the next champion of the Sinno region
Always hoped and wished they would put Tobias in the remakes or even in B2/W2's PWT.
Would definitely have been dope to see his full team and to battle him.
Awesome video!! I definitely agree on some of your options, especially Entei & Latias! I never used to be too big on the Lugia suggestion because I felt like it would overshadow Darkrai, but I liked your reasoning behind it. I personally think his full team is Darkrai, Latios, Latias, Entei, Lucario and then maybe Heatran or Zapdos. I know Lucario isn't a Legendary Pokemon, but it's pretty legendary nonetheless haha. Let's hope we see his full team someday! Keep up the great videos, I really enjoyed this one!
Thank you!
Yea I'm leaning more towards this because Lucario is a pseudo legendary still having the legendary title. It's possible that it's heatran because the trainer with the heatran was never shown again so assuming that the anime writers was trying to show a pokemon that Tobias has but with another trainer to throw us off. I'm not sure about regigigas because of Brandon. Trainers have lots of the legendary birds.
Lucario appears right after Entei and Darkrai, so it could be a possible candidate.
@@venjustice6666 Lucario isn't pseudo legendary.
@@SpiritedFalcon oh damn I thought I saw somebody say that I don’t remember
One of his best videos yet, and he's worked really hard on this, so please show him all the love you've got!
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@@ThePokeRaf he still lost his battle vs the champing so he most likey did not get a chance to to enter the champ torment
The entei one is something that always caught my attention as it very much could have been a part of Tobias' team imo. As right after Infernape clashes with it we see Buizel clash with Darkrai which we know belongs to Ash as no one else at that point uses Buizel. It is interesting how so many legendaries showed up at that point of the series. Idk if Journeys will show him but it would be nice to see him again even though we know what he did...afterall Ash did reference Tobias during the Cresselia/Darkrai 2 parter with Dawn!
He'd have one non-legendary Pokemon. His starter, but this Pokemon would probably be his strongest since it enabled him to catch legendary and mythical Pokemon. So Ash the 2nd strongest trainer in the tournament was in no shape to confront the best of Tobias' A game. OOF.
But his starter could very well have been a legendary or mythical. Pokemon like Darkrai, Latias, Latios, Phione, Shaymin or Celebi come to mind as they're one of the few legendaries and mythicals confirmed to be in multiples in the anime. I don't personally think he has a full team of legendaries, but doesn't mean he couldn't. Also it's possible to ditch a starter when doing a competitive team.
@@matheussandbakk9959 Paul did ditch Chimchar, but I think Tobias isn't like Paul tho.
@@ultraomenmurat9937 Meant more like putting it in the pc or at home instead of the team, not literally releasing it
Wasnt it mentioned that he defeated al the gyms with only his darkrai?
Not everyone keeps their first pokemon in their party dude
Lugia? Yeah my man deserved to win
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good list! if tobias returns in journeys with a team like this...holy crap ash and so many others would have a tough time being able to defeat him
Thank you
Which is exactly why he'll never return. There is no good storyline you can craft with a character like that. Anything that a normal trainer struggles with, or even Ash, Tobias easily crushes, and anything that Tobias actually struggles with absolutely CRUSHES normal trainers. The only people that can really challenge Tobias are likely elite 4 members or region champions.
After reading ashes of the past, I have a hard time thinking of Tobias's starter not being a Delphox.
I remember being a young kid watching that episode & as soon as I seen he had a legendary & then another I was sooo pissed cause I knew my boy ash was gonna take that L…
Lucario being in the English opening behind Entie always made me think it eas on his team
I don't watch Pokemon that often, so my first time hearing Tobias' character was when my friend literally said: "That one guy in the anime who treated the anime like it was the Pokemon games"
This actually being my first time seeing Tobias' 1/4 full power, I could say that he is correct.
You all have it wrong. His confirmed team is Darkrai, Latios, and the rest are kakuna.
Actually Entei and A Lucario was confirmed in Japanese opening. Possibly Lugia
It was a joke
I heard even Tobias uses Mansacaped😎Fantastic video bro!❤
😂 thank you bro! ❤️
How I’ve waited to see this video
Thank you lad
Thank you
I've always imagined Tobias's full team being Darkrai, Latios, Heatran, Suicune, Zapdos, and Mewtwo, but I can understand your choices and do respect your opinion.
Getting mewtwo would be the only one that doesn't make sense. All of the others are a species with a population, and multiple individuals some with drastly different personalities. Mewtwo on the other hand, there are only two of them in existence, and whether it's the boy mewtwo or the girl one, the only way you're keeping them in the ball is diplomacy. Red manages to "sorta" catch the first mewtwo, and in the manga they go on adventures together using a giant spoon as a club. The second mewtwo is more stable, less insane, but also not very combative.
but suicune is with the gang
Not sure about Heatran & Zapdos. But Entei is confirmed in Japanese Opening. Also Mewtwo is elusive so no chance on that.
his is a conjecture, it's yours that is just an opinion.
Entei is confirmed. So Heatran cannot be there due to being another fire type, and Mewtwo there's only 2 in existence. One of which belongs to Red
@@animorph17nah it’s just he’s him
tobias was stressing over losing latios because his other pokemon were three magikarp
Cameron had 6 Pokémon. His next battle showed it to be Watchog. It was clearly seen with the rest of his knocked out Pokémon when he lost.
Raf meant that Tobias wouldn't have only relied on only bringing 2 Pokemon or less than 6 so he definitely had 6 Pokemon.
The point is Cameron didn't realize a full battle was 6 Pokemon and ONLY brought 5 Pokemon so therefore had Ash defeated 5 Pokemon, Cameron would've lost, likewise Tobias would have had a FULL team so its not like if Ash did outright defeat Latios, Tobias would've shrugged his shoulders and said "I have no more Pokemon"
@@dustinbenzel8704 wait, that's what happened in the anime? I thought he had 6 the whole time and the reason it was blank was because they hadn't decided at the time what Cameron's sixth would be but, he did have six. Where is it stated he only brought 5 to his battle with Ash?
@@michaeldaniels642 No what happened is Cameron only had 5 Pokemon with him when he battled Ash because he thought a full battle was only 5 Pokemon, upon learning it was 6 Pokemon he used 6 Pokemon against Virgil. So had Ash defeated Lucario he would've won the battle. There's a reason why the battle with Cameron is the most hated league battle, even more than Tobias.
Know that these episodes especially back to back episodes are made far in advance. So it makes no sense that they wouldn't have decided on Cameron's 6th Pokemon when fully animating the episode, and just randomly gave him a Watchog against Virgil. Episodes are made months in advance.
@@dustinbenzel8704 oh, well that's dumb. Did they really need to make him so dumb?
@@michaeldaniels642 No but they did, so it is what it is.
Interesting idea, but I would keep the legendary titans on the list. We already know multiple of legendary Pokémon can exist (moltres being seen in Kanto, Orange Islands, Sevii Islands, and Kalos, for example) and I can definitely see Tobias having a regirock or regice.
This does not confirm that they are different Moltes though, technically it could be the same one every time. I do agree that it has been showed that there could be more than one of these legendary species but we do not know which one there are multiple unless it has been explicitly confirmed and to be honest if there's only one or multiple of these mons is only decided based on the plot that the anime needs.
I don't think there are multiple titans, though
Given that they were made by regigigas, and that arceus didn't like it, I think they are all the only ones of their species
is there only one legendary in the whole regions? one is to one in other word? if you catch suicune, there is no suicune now in other regions because u already catch one and only suicune right? correct me if i am wrong
If ever ash would have a rematch with Tobias and hopefully he does, he better bring his *A-Game*
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Tobias is basically every 10 year old's team. The second they get a legendary/mythical, instantly on the team.
Tobias is an AR Code User Player.
Perfect for The Cheat Engine Generation. We haven't seen any trainer like him. It's like they were promoting AR Cheat Engine.
He's basically us as the main character of the game, thrashing his rival with straight legends lmao
This is very interesting and I think this could be Tobias’s full team also The opening also showed Pikachu fighting a Lucario so Tobias could’ve had a Lucario as a member and probably the only Noun legendary of his team.
I would had replaced lugia with lucario if that was the case. Lugia is too ace material imo to be in the back end of his team.
writers be like:CRAP WE MADE ASH TO OP TIME TO ADD A LAST MINUTE TRAINER WITH LEGENDS TOBIAS
Except for Torkoal and Swellow, Ash and his team did a fantastic job against Tobias. Both Trainers were pretty good sports about the battle afterwards and I liked how Ash wished Tobias luck for the finals.
plot twist: the rest of tobias' party was four level 100 magikarp that only knew splash
Watch Tobias return after Ash beats Leon and just sweep him easily again for no reason.
This was a great video of what Pokémon Tobias could've owned. I really loved it. I hope he returns sometime and we learn more about him.
Thank you
@@ThePokeRaf you're welcome 👍 as always love your videos
If Ash and Tobias will have a future rematch. I would love to see the him having the following vs Ash's team.
Tobias. Vs. Ash
1 DARKRAI vs Gengar
2 LATIOS vs Pikachu
3 Latias vs Dragonite
4 ENTEI vs Greninja
5 ZERAORA vs INFERNAPE
6 REGIGAS vs MELMETAL
I’d change gengar to sceptile make it 2 rematches for two of ashes pokemon
Tobias still wins with 3 pokemon left over
Great video, Raf! Thanks for explaining Tobias and his OP team!
Thank you
"A team chalk full of legendary pokemon" does not mean it's made entirely of legendaries, just a lot compared to other trainers, especially seeing as that quote is translated and overexaggerated for that occasion. Considering the draco meteor comment, I think it's safe to assume that Tobias had Latias, and then the rest of his team was entirely dragon types (Garchomp, Dragonite, etc).
It isn't safe to assume that at all, the draco meteor comment was just to say that Ash made a good play, it wasn't even referring to his own team and even if it was that doesn't necessarily mean super-effectiveness.
Why would his ace be darkrai if he is a dragon trainer? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense
I would just introduce 2 changes.
Instead of Latias, give him Regigigas. He already has Latios, latias along with latios being same type is.... meh!
Also, Zapdos is trash. Give him Rayquaza/Deoxys.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Heatran is one of his Pokemon.
Great video bro 👏🏼
Thank you bro
We saw Tobias using just 2 Pokemon, and both mythical. So let's assume mythical Pokemon is his theme.
If he returns , i think this will be his best all mythical team, with minimal type overlap and proper battle worthy Pokemon ..
Darkrai, Latios, Volcanion, Zeraora, Marshadow, Magearna.
Latios isn't mythical
Good video raf looking forward to the next one
Thank you
@@ThePokeRaf yep
I would love for his return and Ash bringing back Greninja and beating him.
Infernape greninja charizard lucario dragonite and pikachu
Septile needs to be in that lineup
I think his remaining pokemon are four magikarps because when he saw that Latios was losing he suddenly got nervous
I actually think it's pretty likely that Tobias could have had a Deoxys on his team, in my opinion. Deoxys has appeared multiple times, whether it be in the movies or in the show. One of its show appearances was actually in the Sinnoh region. Plus, it fits in with Tobias' battle style of using fast Pokémon. I wouldn't put it past him if he had one.
plot twist: He won't return for the world cup, he will return for project mew, and be the one to catch mew right infront of goh seeing he doesn't have enough mythical pokemon already
Here's an interesting fact. The screenplay of the episode "League Unleashed", which was the episode where we first see Tobias and his Darkrai, was written by Shinzō Fujita who wrote the screenplay for the episodes where Ash lost to Cameron who forgot to bring 6 Pokémon and the episode where Ash lost the Kalos League Finals.
Did he get fired in the Aloha season
@@YlO414 guess what? Rightfully so since there's no Sun and Moon or Journeys episode written by him.
@@ashgreninja-flurriko2173 why did he get fired did the people were sick of him writing the episodes for the league and making ash lose and then fired him
@@YlO414 Look at this. This was 3 days ago.
"Literally the worst Anipoke writer in existence. SO glad he got fired after making Ash/Satoshi lose the Kalos League."
@@ashgreninja-flurriko2173 it's a good thing he got fired for a good because if the people that work for the show didn't fire him he could have made Ash lost the Aloha league and the show would have been different than today so now we all know this writer is responsible for writing the first 6 of Ash League losses
You actually worked really hard for the video....... really well done bro😊
Thank you
It is nice if Tobias' will appear on future episode's of shord and shield, he will be a tough contender for ash or go for the project mew as we all knew tobias love to collect a over power pokemon.
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Him using the legendaries is a mercy. Whatever his start pokemon was, now that's the menace. He caught those legendaries somehow guys and we saw Red on screen and in manga take down a Mewtwo with a Charizard so we know it's possible for skilled trainers to pull it off
having 1 legendary in the anime is rare enough let alone an entire team i know the writers made him too op but giving him something like a lugia is just too op
Anyone that can beat a team like that with non legendaries is a true Pokemon Master with massive bragging rights.
Maybe he has a marshadow it kinda fits him and its like darkrai
If ash and tobioas has an rematch I’ll love to see ash pick greninja infernape charizard pikachu dragonite and Lucario man ohhh man that would be a fight to see
Amazing video Raf ✨
and I finally saw your face 😄
Thank you
Tobias didn't show up in master 8 because that's too weak for Tobias to participate.
Darkrai, Latios, Landorus, Necrozma, Optimus Prime and Wargreymon
An encounter with Tobias would be the perfect time to introduce gigantamax melmetal into the series, so if he and ash clashed, I think ash would be best off using definitely Melmetal and if he’s able to contact the Aether Foundation, he could try reconnect with Naganadel. Or he might be able to reconnect with Nebby, and add Nebby to his team, a good time to show off solgaleo’s z move again!
Tobias was a pokemon who decided to shapeshift into human and asked his homies to help him win and flex . . . in an alternate universe
There is an episode where zapdos is spotted flying above some trainer with a ditto I wonder if this could be Tobias's Zapdos
Which one?
Imagine if Tobias only had just 2 pokemon and his battle with ash was secretly a draw.
Amazing video
That aside, I'll also consider gen 5 leggies and mythicals since we usually see post-gen pokemon in the current gen (minus in gen 7-8). So if we look at them, Victini being victory pokemon seems like a good fit with Tobias imo
Thank you
Tobias is basically me, in every pokemon game.
Big disagree on latias, for the same reasons you excluded the other legendary beasts and birds.
Big disagree on regigigas and lugia too, simply because I think they are _way_ too strong and important to go on his team.
Outside of that, I disagree with the lineup because of its horrible type coverage, 3 pokemon weak to rock, 3 weak to dark, 4 weak to ice... I get that type coverage matters way less in the anime, but I still don't think it makes much sense given his skill/power.
Otherwise I agree for the most part, and it was a solid analysis. Good vid 👍
"he captured these pokemons unwillingly" aren't most of them caught that way? lmaaoo
Based on the logic used to rule out the other legendary beasts, how come you didn't rule out Latias and instead put it in his team? Great video btw!
Watch and learn
Thanks for your hard work, Raf
And thank you always for your kindness ❤️
They had to bring a trainer with legendaries to make Ash lose this league, there is no other purpose... that's how strong was Ash in this season, not even the dude in the final could beat the Darkrai of Tobias meanwhile Ash has beaten not only his Darkrai but also his Latios.
Is also the first and only league where Ash finally used his old strong mons (Except Torkoal) to have a better chance winning it.
Tobias will never make an apperance again, nobody remembers him in the anime... like it never existed, not even a flashback, it was a badly written character just with the purpose to make Ash lose, nothing else, he was never mentioned again after the league... in the moment I saw Tobias with his Darkrai I already knew that Ash was gonna lose against him.
Tobias has hacks this man knows pokemon is a anime and a game he knows
After the episode was aired, the director leaked who the rest of team was and they were
3. Mewtwo
4. Wargreymon
5. Perfect Cell
6. Galactos
So yeah ash aint winning
We all know that Tobias is that one kid with hacked legendaries at level 100 that everyone hated
The introduction of Tobias made me think ash should’ve finally started catching mythical and/or legendaries in the series like meloetta. Mean 3 pkmn each to take down 1 of Tobias’s and normally they were 1 hit KOs. Also both pkmn Tobias had were mythical not legendaries, and I could definitely see cresselia still before any of the legendary birds
Ash technically did catch a legendary and a mythical Pokémon Melmetal and sogaleo as showing in the last battle vs Leon I would of liked to see Tobias make a return but there would be to much hate towards it then
@@Savitar11111 sogolao, who’s that? And honestly even if he did go against Tobias again, he’d most likely lose. The first actual region pokemon league was alola, which was a newly formed one. I’d accept him winning the Orange islands league before it. Ntm Tobias’ line-up we really don’t know all of them, but it’s pretty much comparable to Steven with his fossil pkmn and metagross
@@sabre4382 sogaleo is the sun Pokémon in Pokémon sun and moon and yeah I think Tobias would still win in a fight against ash but he would have to use all 6 Pokémon to defeat ash
Darkrai
Latios
Latias
Rayquaza
Palkia
Dialga
He said Ashs Gible could beat anyone except Darkrai so they all have to be Dragons
This would be good to see Tobias return
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This is literally the player character you play as in the games. Nobody but Cynthia had a chance at this point.
His actual team darkrai,latios,caterpie,magikarp,feebas,kakuna,
I remember saying out loud “wait isn’t latios dead or something” when I saw him pull it out
Dude manscaping sponsoring for an audience that is probably around 14 years old?
Lmaoooooo
I am fuxkin 24
Tobias must have a Cresselia so he can't have bad dreams whenever he falls asleep.
Theory:I think the reason why Tobias might own an entei is because if you remember in the diamond and Pearl Sinnoh league victors opening,we see ash sending out infernape to battle an entei but in the anime it never happened,so I think in a future episode,Tobias will return to battle ash and maybe infernape will return to battle entei
And coincidently the winter teaser of journeys mentions ash infernape return
True,but it could either mean that Tobias might not appear so let’s not get our hopes up a little to much
@@cursedswalot9713 yeah
I always hoped that Tobias just had a bidoof, a magikarp, a luvdisc, and an unknown just to troll
Is Tobias returning in the pwc? I hope Ash gets his revenge battle
I love the headcanon that Tobias is an Arceus in disguise who felt the need to endure Ash would continue journeying after Sinnoh. E.g after Ash won the League in Alola, he stops traveling for a while until he gets the job as research assistant. Then after the World Cup victory, he seems to just be wandering around places he's already been for the sake of it. If he won the Sinnoh Cup and settled down, he'd have gotten none of the character development he got in the other regions, and a lot of tragedies that Ash stopped would happen now. So Arceus, being a benevolent deity, decides to ensure the better timeline by humbling one Pallet Boi.
In this hypothetical timeline, I'd pitch his team as Darkrai, Latios, Entei, Regigigas, Giratina, and then himself. So if Ash brought the right team and knocked out the first five, Tobias himself would step onto the field and take his true form.
I think he can return in masters 8...or maybe in hyper class as they don't have to revil his full team if he return in hyper class they can revil only 3 Pokemon 🤔🤔🤔
There's no saying that they won't bump up the Pokemon when Ash gets to the final hyper class.
And also remember we've only seen masters class having only 1 vs 1. The point is, the writers entirely decide the match ups, so Tobias could reveal 6 Pokemon and just like Bea as well just choose three if it is a 3 vs 3.
Remember Leon did say "I wish there was more to see" when talking about Ash vs Bea, so maybe they'll increase the number.
Honestly, I'm in support of your theory for his full team. Definitely makes sense for him to have the Legendaries you mentioned. I feel like Tobias winning the Sinnoh League represented how so many of us (who played Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum) cheated to get early access to Darkrai, Shaymin, and even Arceus. Who else used an Action Replay for DPP? (raises hand)
No cap, I was literally shaving much of my hair as that ad came on. XD
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Quite frankly, I’m pretty firm in my belief that he has a Mew. I can’t say why, but I have a real feeling about it.