Hells teeth, Penny!!! You haven't let 'Monkey Boy' spill a drop of oil on the new benches .… have you? 😱 (Even though he did (fair do's) wipe it up straight away! (Good boy, Del! 😜) Loving ALL your vids and the new look, 'operating theatre'-clean motor-sickle laboratory. Keep up the excellent work guys, but don't forget to schedule in some riding days out now that weather is getting much less British! Have fun guys, and appreciate all the (unseen) 'perspiration' that goes on behind the scenes. 👍👍
Thanks Mark, you're too kind.. and yeah, we get some ride time in when we can... the new cabinets are all over the place at the moment, i need to shift them about a bit to make some more room across the work end of the garage.... kind of a "Cabinet Reshuffle" lol
Hope you're doing it to music 😜 and make sure there are no cobwebs or (perish the thought) any dust behind the cabs, before they go back against the wall. Have great fun, and looking forward to the new 'new look'. You two are SUCH a great pair, and SOOO giving of your time, knowledge, experience and yes.… seriously good entertainment value, too. Don't change anything, will ya! 👍👍
Dude! You quite possibly saved me big $$$ at the Harley dealership. Been struggling to get my bike in neutral forever. Pulled the cover off and shined my flashlight in and BINGO!! Way too much oil in there so I drained it, put the proper amount and good to go. Now I can shift into neutral at a stop light.... crazy shit man! Thanks for these videos!
haha you're most welcome brother, that is exactly what we load the videos for, so glad the information could help you and save you some bucks! Ride safe and enjoy the weekend...
Original owner of a 2002 FatBoy. Been doing my own service after the initial 1000 mile by dealer. I’m not an expert, but can hold my own on maintenance and parts changing. I actually worked up the courage to do my own rotor/brake pad replacement and caliper service recently. Took some time, but I did it and glad I did it. On a side note, my primary case has the tapered drain plug that needs pipe tape. I always thought that was a weird/stupid idea on Harley’s part since the rest are NOT. Glad to see that they have corrected/updated that with the parallel plug and gasket, much better. (Good to know if I ever crack my case the new cases will be updated). Great vids. Always enjoy watching and learning things I thought I knew ;))
Sure thing buddy, I have the tapered plug on my Dyna now (99 model), but it's never given me any problems, you should never crack it unless you go swinging on it... you're more likely to mince the thread first, as only a very shallow taper... good luck with it buddy!
Its very very rare for someone that actually knows what they're talking about when it comes to a bike, and then on top of that its even more rare to find someone who is willing to make a video about what they are doing.... and to top it all off your doing what most never would do, your sharing your knowledge and doing it in a video, all while sharing tips and tricks that no one will ever share with you, they all just let you mess it up yourself and charge your a shit ton to fix it instead of telling you the correct way to do stuff... that Sir is why I watch your videos and have subscribed to your channel.. keep up the great work buddy stay pleasant, and stay safe but above all... have fun
Hey man, just wanted to say thank you I’m watching this video six years later on a custom Bilt Evo hundred cubic inch chopper. I just did the primary oil tank in the very bottom drain plug on mine these videos help me walk through the whole process next up is the transmission but it’s Sunday, so I’m just in time for sunset Road. Thanks again for posting these things there, timeless and helping people all over the world. Greetings from California !!
i'm so impressed you've taken the time to reply to so many comments. At 76 yrs. i'm petrofied of screwing something up, but thank you for the instruction and i'll give it a go.
Thanks to you and your daughter! I am 62 years young & this past November have just bought my 1st road bike... 2005 Ultra Classic. I'm hungry & excited to be able to do a lot of the repairs & maintenance myself and I have been enjoying your video's very much!! Because of your video's and how you explain what your doing, I'm feeling more and more confident that I can learn this information! Thanks again!!
Me and my daughter Rob?? Penny likes you very much lol - seriously, thank you for your kind words, and glad the videos can help you, enjoy your new bike !
I want to thank you so much! You just literally explained an issue I'm having on a bike I just bought. No one has been able to tell me in the last 3 days what the issue is. From what you just described, I'm going to assume the guy I bought it from overfilled the primary. So hard to shift into gear and can't get it in neutral, and when I have the clutch lever pulled in, it still tries to roll far ward. I have to constantly keep my hand on the brake. Going to drain the fluid and start over! Thanks so much!!!
lmpeccable !! A long lifetime of owning and maintaining every shape and form of motorcycle has taught me they all indeed stir the spirit .Two wheels is two wheels and your vast array of work on all styles of steed is a back catalogue of knowledge to be universally consumed and taken advantage of .. You are truly the most selfless couple I have ever had the enormous pleasure of calling friends. Thank you on behalf of all the viewers. Peace and Love to all xxx
Why thank you most kindly Captain Springy Sir... we always appreciate your lyrical medication to help the day flow... so has the XJR not turned up yet, the one you arent getting..???
Moonfleet41 aha yes the one that doesn't exist definitely isn't coming Monday while I'm at work and I certainly won't be rushing home to receive it as I'm only 10 mins away...they are not going to call me when they set off and when they're nearly here...I'm absolutely not getting very exited and definitely under no circumstances be doing a walk around check it out video in the excitement which obviously won't exist as of course it's all hyperthetical .... ps... just polishing Pinky at present (now that just sounds wrong) I mean just putting a shine on the gsx of course... and cleaning out the garage /Shed to make room for no other bike whatsoever of course...Big Love !!!!🤘
thank you very much for the great video. I haven't had a Harely since 1974, and that one was a 1950 pan, that I did a top end job on. I did it with the confidence of a 20 something,, teenager,, No book, no videos, no instructions,, pretty much put it back the same way you took it off. I am the proud owner of a 2006 softail deuce now, and have lost that mentality years ago. to save money and learn, I prefer to do things on my own. Your videos are a benchmark to follow, keep up the good work and sharing.
Than you my friend and welcome back tot he world of bikes, that was a great mentality to have and no reason to lose it, but I understand what you say, we all develop more caution and anxiety about things over the years... the MoCo produces some awesome manuals now, so get yourself one from the main dealer, they're a big thick A4 book, should cost you about £60 equivalent, which is quite a lot but they are the best manual you can get for a Harley, it will walk you through every job you can imagine, step by step, along with torque values and any warnings you need to know! Good luck with your projects and enjoy your bike, keep safe, Del
as a first time 1994 Harley owner; had/have been paranoid about doing things right and not messing anything up since I do not have prior mechanical experience on motorcycles ... your series of videos (of course this one included)... simply takes all that paranoia away and instead give this great amount of confidence to do all the mechanical work myself ... I just wanted to thank you very much, thank you!
Dude I found you!!! Took me like 10 min to find your on RUclips. I wanted to leave you a comment because you saved the day at my work place! Yes, I did subscribe, because you're awesome and you saved me a huge headache. You see, I normally don't subscribe, rarely like anything either on RUclips, but it's the least I could do for the cool trick you taught me. I'm an automation technician and I deal with stripped screws all the time. I bought some of that valve polish stuff (can't remember at the moment what it's called, sorry.) My partner thought I was a genius. It worked awesome! I did credit you for the teaching me this awesome trick. Just wanted to say thank you and keep up the good work. Still wish I had more confidence working more on my own bike more but I encounter very expressive mistakes over the years and it could be my life if I mess up. I would attempt to do it if I could find someone local to guide me as I go. I know I could do it.. anyway, thanks a bunch!!
This is fantastic! THANK YOU for considering those of us who are just starting out! I appreciate the back knowledge so I can begin to see a more full picture.
@@Moonfleet41 Actually, I ride...NOT my husband! And I enjoyed your video because I want to learn to take care of my bike on my own. But many videos make the assumption the viewer is already an established mechanic. So, thank you, again, for explaining very basics as you go!
@@gardennurse1588 So sorry for the Gender assumption Gardennurse, What a clumsy chauvinist faux pas there.. Must try harder.. ! Glad you can find use in the videos, and always feel free to drop us a line if you need a tip of second opinion on something... Take care and ride safe.. Del.
@@Moonfleet41 No worries, just caused me to chuckle. I get that a lot actually. I found your help incredibly valuable, and I subscribed for sure. Thank you for taking the time to teach! 😉
Been riding bikes for over 30years and do the oils on my harley but love the vid Dell and have pick up one or two tips from you.thanks from an old dog!
Hi Vincent, good to hear from you... thanks so much for your support, it's an honour to be able to reach out to the experienced riders out there and have their respect... ride safe, and keep yer boots in the breeze brother...
My hats off to you mate… you’ve actually turned me into a halfway decent mechanic.. I already was mechanically inclined but I combine that with what I’m learning from you and I’m actually turning into a decent mechanic thanks to you no kidding..
Thanks Steven, glad to hear that mate.. remember it's your hands on the job mat, so you must have had skills untapped and just woken to it with practice.. Thanks for the kind feedback buddy.
Sir, your videos are great. I do follow the service manual, it specifies torque for the drain bold and derby cover screws. Also it specifies (my bike is a 2006 heritage) 32oz of primary fluid. I always follow the book. Thank yo uagain.
I just found your channel today and hope to be able to perform some of the more simple maintenance tasks on my 2006 Heritage Softail Classic. For more complex procedures, like changing out the cam chain tensioners, I guess it means a trip to the dealership. The woman running your camera is great, she zooms in and out perfectly, this allows the novice to better understand your actions. THANKS!
Hi there, thanks for your cool feedback, it's entirely what we intended to be share some knowledge on basic housekeeping maintenance, and yes, for jobs like your cam chain tensioners, unless you're familiar with that kind of work, I would invest in the time of a professional to do that for you, the peace of mind is worth it and at the same time you're still saving time on the basic jobs! Have fun with it, ride safe!
My manual says 14 - 21ft-lbs for the primary drain plug (13 Fat Bob 103). Always drain cool. All the fluid is at the bottom where the plug is. That warming the engine up is from the old days before synthetics. Thanks for the tip on the screws; good stuff.
You're dead right buddy, not only that, warming up an engine sends all the sediment up round the motor, leaving plenty of it in there when you come to drain it out... if an engine's sat for a while, all the sediment makes it's way to the lowest point, so gets pushed out by the oil first... good luck with your projects, and thanks for your support.
Hi Del & Penny, been a long time since I caught up on your videos, I still have my Ducati but also just bought a 2008 Buell XB12X 9k miles and love the thunderstorm engine, Primary oil and engine oil separate also fuel tank is the air box, fuel is in the frame and oil in the swing arm whaaaa, I gotta learn new skills on the engine and bike . Love it . Also love getting back to your vids,. Ride safe folks. ❤️
Hi Del all done, changed the oil so thought i might as well go for the couch adjustment while the cover is off, unfortunately the jam nut on the adjuster will not budge i cannot move it at all, so i gave that up, i may have to take it along to the dealer and get them to adjust it. once again thanks for the quality videos i couldn't have done it without you. next on the list is the engine oil and then my daughters sportster will get its brake fluid changed. Thanks
Just a side note. (Great Videos.) When I replaced the drain plug on my 2000 Dyna(Primary) , I wrapped the plug with Teflon and then started tightening the plug, it felt like it was not getting tight enough. As I carefully tightened it, it went in too far, right into the primary case and the oil began leaking out. I had to remove the primary case, replace the gasket and the oil and reinstall the plug until it was snug. The plug on mine does not have an o ring and is not tapered, so it's easy to go in too far. Lesson learned.. I check for leaks often and it does not leak or drip. Hope this comment helps make others aware of this simple mistake. Cheers; Shan O'Hara..
If I can offer a suggestion Shan, next time you check that plug you'll find that it is tapered. People expect there to be an obvious slant to the thread, but it's extremely subtle, if you get a dial gauge and measure the thread top to bottom, it's maybe only 1mm wider at best, but that's enough for it to wedge and not fall out... if it wasn't tapered it'd have a flat flange like a normal bolt and bolt up tight... but if it bothers you you can fit a regular plug in place of it. Cheers mate, and thanks for your input.
I love your videos man. They are so informative and so easy to follow. Good camera angles. Good clear instructions. A big thumbs up from me. Keep up the good work. 👍🤜
Thank you for the videos!! You confirmed my longtime suspicion that changing the oil when cold and stationary removes more of the oil than when warm. Your measuring the output of oil was really a good idea! I plan to do that next time. THANKS!
Hi there, Yes its a bit of a debate that one, i have always held the view that oil will creep its way down to the sum constantly over days... but it will initially cling to the inner metal parts even when its hot...after all, its designed to do that...
Nice work Del and Penny. This will help lots of harley owners, by giving them the confidence to service their bikes and save big dollars along the way. Here in Oz, dealers charge big dollars for a service just like over there.
He talks funny but he knows his stuff...I like the info and the way he makes it idiot proof...plus I got an 06 softtail and the info is all usable to me....thanks dude. .. I'll keep watching...
If only mate,my better half worried too much when I was out and about and to be honest it was becoming an obsession!,but I get my fix watching videos like yours.Hope you are both well and as always look forward to your next instalment.
This is likely a dumb question but here goes….. where do you get those glass jugs for measuring the oil you took out and put back in? Did you just steal the wifey’s measuring cup and give it back afterwards or did you buy a pair for the garage specifically?
Interesting the mythology that surrounds the name of things like the Fat boy name. I had always understood that the Derby cover was so named because back in 1957, there was a prominent motorcycle club that had begun a ritual if riding to the Kentucky Derby annually and selling custom motorcycle parts. During this particular derby, for some reason, they sold mor of the season covers than anything else. The name stuck. 🤷♂️ who knows. 🤔 perhaps we should come up with our own anecdotes and see if they become popularised 🤣. Here’s the first one then - it’s called a derby cover because back in the day when you entered a race derby you would get a special decorated winners derby cover to put on your bike. 🤣 Cheers Del. Keep up the awesome videos you and the essential camera expert 😊 Ride safe. 🤜👍
Hi John..The way i heard it..Derby covers are apparently so called because they resemble the shape of the 'Derby" hat..later called the Bowler hat ! at least the Derby covers used to resemble Derby hats back in 1957 !! google an image, you'll see the resemblance ! Thanks for your support mate, good to hear from you.
My Street Bob has the same drain plug in all three holes. It's a 5/8" hex head with an allen key hole in it as well. Not sure when it changed, however. As usual, your videos are outstanding, and informational. Thanks!
Although I had to go back out and check what 30oz is in metric, I got 900ml out too and was at perfect level prior to drain...cleaning off plug after I pulled it and the magnet came loose... $4.10 U.S. for a new one...the cheapest HD part on the planet!!! Evidently the MoCo knew it was an issue as the new one has a shorter magnet bonded in on all sides and bottom. Time to fill and check chain! Thanks Del and Penny! I'll square up after my full purge tomorrow...you folks are the best!!! Oh and they Hylomar Blue came just in time today so I have a thin film of U.K. parts on my Worldly H-D. ;)
Hey Wolco, good to hear from you buddy, it's great to get jobs done yourself and it's great to hear you have a little of the UK on your bike, glad it went well, all the very best, thanks for your D&Px
Thanks again Del, Im rewatching the Full Purge and hoping you are still around today...You mentioned checking oil tank level cold as you are putting cold oil back, you didnt take it for a ride after that right? Cold oil change right? Oh and my primary chain only had a 1/4" of slack! Along with a clutch adjustment, the hard shifting and extreme loud clunk gone!
900 ml is about 30 oz. My owner's manual says to put in 38 oz. Love your videos. You always learn more when you know the "why" part of the job as Delboy says.
Yeah, it seems to vary all over the place.... but if your bike performs right, no clutch drag and Neutral is easy to select... then jjust put that much back in ... how hard can it be aye..lol!
Concerning the primary drain plug you will find the torque specification in Softail Model service manual 99482-09 chapter 1 page 24 14-21 ft-lbs (19.0-28.5 Nm). Thank you for all your great videos. I have a 2008 Fat Boy and watch your individual videos before starting each maintenance chore. John from Lake Tishomingo, Hillsboro Missouri USA
Good comment on draining cold oil. I have noticed the same outcome as well on both of my Triumphs. I also think that it is possible when you drain cold oil, you are giving the contaminants time to collect undisturbed which you get on then drain out. On another note, I am not sure if you have heard H-Ds new motto..."Hardley-Dangerous - The thunderous noise without dealing with the nuisance of horsepower!!" HA!!!!
Take a Dyna Lowrider S out for a test ride... you laugh at that old worn out mantra then buddy.. !!! and yeah, i always get more oil out when drained cold..!
keep an eye on draining and checking to place back. There is some loss of oil over time from several sources within the primary. Fill with the recommended fluid ounces to insure proper full. Use the service manual and use what is recommended. Great video.
Slightly disagree buddy.. filling with a specified quantity from a manual presumes that every ounce it drained out first, it's easy to end up over filled by going to a manual spec and blindly following it... the very best and only way to avoid over filling is to get close, then check the level on the clutch plates and adjust as needed so its perfect... if you check the level before you drain.. and its dead right, then you can mirror the amount drained out with the amount refilled, and it should be the same...
@@Moonfleet41 Been doing this for 50+ years. Riding bike for 30-45 min prior to draining ensures oil is to operating temp. This ensures adequate drainage of reservoir. Any residual remaining is inconsequential. Never had an issue with dragging clutch, or plate saturation. If you start and continue to do your own service you ensure proper oil return. If you have service done by an outside source, you can have issues with over/under fill. First service and subsequent one's done by yourself ensures proper procedure. Never had a saturation problem with clutch plates due to over fill. With all service you should check multiple systems and clutch function is one. This may require adjustment due to wear and normal usage. As well as braking systems and all other fluids. If done properly there is a lot more to service than changing primary, oil, transmission fluids at intervals. Just saying if you ever have a problem with a warranty issue, saying I only placed xyz amounts of fluid back into the case after I measured it upon emptying, Well you may have an issue with warranty.
Very comprehensively explained. It's funny isn't it but there's nothing more passionate than the nonsense on Harley Forums, and to an extent Triumphrat is similar. Whenever I delve for something I end up more confused than when I started. That's where experience and common sense come in, so thank goodness for some light in the dark, and you've always provided that. Hoorah!
Thanks Pete, you explain that dead right buddy.. Passion... all the worry on those forums comes from confusion, and passion for taking care of their bikes.. both Triumph and Harley, (plus of course many other makes too) suffer with this passion to take care of the bike at home.. and side step the ever spiraling costs of dealer servicing..offset also, against the wish to be more involved with their pride and joy... so its just a hunger for reliable and consistent information that makes it such a hullabaloo..!
DEL !! All your videos I've watched are sooo informative. I'm getting use to your accent and can understand you much better now. I'm from the states in Illinois and i see you have our plates with your name on it,very cool! Keep up the good work and love the information your awesome and want to let you know you are appreciated! P.S. Your wife is a Queen for putting up with you! LOL
Nicely done as always. Minor suggestion: Showing a proper final "button up" of the primary cover (showing how to torque it, etc) would have been nice, so the whole process is shown start-to-finish all in one video. Most people will be fine with the verbal "button up" instruction given at the end, but showing it for real would be good for newbies to see.
Next video Richard i made that point in the video, ill do the clutch adjustment next, which anyone would do while they have the cover off, then ill show the full torque down of the cover in sequence.... This is a series, that once its done, will work together as 5 or 6 individual videos to cover a full service... you wouldn't torque the cover up without doing the clutch adjustment, so check that next, and then the task will be complete..! Thanks for your kind comment buddy, much appreciated. Del
As a Yank I get great appreciation listening to a Brit. An Englishman always seems to have a more scientific and precise manner of doing blue collar activities. You've got a excellent organizational habits and you should be proud of that. Guys over here are always attempting to prove how tough and manly they are. Lol and it doesnt matter how tough you are unless you find yourself in combat (war) or some one is bringing harm to you or your family. And we all know that the U S.A. and Great Britain are brothers who must stick together!!!! Because our two countries have almost all the same things that we hold dear to our heart. In this world everyone is against us if all goes to hell and Sir Winston Churchill (God rest his soul) understood this; our two countries have only eachother to stand beside eachother and keep our awsome way of life to continue!!!
Thank you Carl, and i agree with your sentiments entirely, over half of our audience demographic is in the USA, and we get constant and generous support and kindness from our US viewers.. So thank you for your kind words Brother, keep safe and stay in touch.. Del.
Another top video. Obviously two measuring jugs is the way to go, (congratulating myself on not going for the obvious gag there!) I only have a small polythene one and a big black opaque one for oil.
Nice one Del & Penny. Another real informative & well explained video. Always good to learn about different makes/models of bikes. 'See' you soon. Cheers Al.
Hey Del...love your vids buddy. This one is perfect, I have a 2005 , 15 Anniv fatboy. I just changed my oil/primary this weekend. Engine: 2 qts Valvoline 20w-50 mc oil & 3/4 Lucas oil stabilizer primary: Castrol GTX 20w-50 Dino Tran: Bel ray 85-140 gear saver ps..My manual does say 26 oz, for that fatboy though. But we all are putting in 27-28oz, to reach clutch hub!
Hey Rich... good to hear from you buddy.. thats awesome ,exactly the same bike.. and im so glad we have been able to help you with these videos... we just filmed video #5, the main oil change and a full system purge today, ill be doing the post production tomorrow and the video will be up Wednesday on schedule... its going to be a really popular video, because so many people don't realise just how much filthy oil is left in your motor if you don't purge it (almost a whole litre), and the dealers don't do it..my bike's service history has 6 recorded services, and the oil quantity each time it 2.8 litres... and i got 3.4 litres in as i always do.... also the manuals don't say to purge the motor when you change oil, so 90% of "trusting Joes" who swear the manual is gospel will argue its wrong....but wont be able to deny thats 30% sump oil mixed in with your new oil is all bad..... We're looking forward to the fire works in the comments from the Keyboard mechanics..lol Thanks for you support buddy.. its good to know we could help..! Del.
love em' all pal....just watched the "clutch adjustment" vid, and the job came out FLAWELESS! My clutch /gears shift with ease, a neutral is cake!! just hear some clicking goin through the gears, normal eh?ps-love ya, brother! b safe Richie Rich-over and out! tell Pen, she does a great job with the video producing!!!
Yes..that purging is the way to go. mine needs one real bad!!19,000miles . I know there is a lot of stipulation with that whole statement you added, it all depends on who is running/feeding the oil companys, you know that Del...all about the almighty dollar my good man!!
Thanks Rich.. glad we could help you out with yours buddy.. glad to see you taking care of your wheels yourself... expands the pride of ownership aye.!
Hi De, I don't have a Harley but love to lern new things and this was different and easy to understand . You've been too tidy and clean with your new bench hahh. Thanks, gus
Thanks Gus, a lot of the information will translate across to other bikes, like the sump plug advice, thats the same for any engine, even a truck..! and dont worry, the benches will soon get filled up and dirty..lol
Ur videos helped me tremendously and saved me thousands I really appreciate all ur help 🙏u are amazing at explaining and made me understand very easy god bless u
Really good videos man. I'm going to change my fluids on my 88' Softail tomorrow. I think mine is pretty much the same? I just got this bike a few weeks ago and I cant wait to get the trans and primary oil changed so I know its all fresh fluids! Great job... "happy riding from Michigan!" 👍
G'day both, couldn't sleep due to back pain so great delight on finding new Softsil vlog notification on my computer. Watched the vlog on my 42" tv & it's amazing how good the garage looks, I normally watch them on my tablet. I don't know if this is of any use to you but in the 2016 factory service manual they do give s torque setting for the primary drain plug -----14-------21 ft/lb. .Also no inspection cover on the 103 motor, as there's an automatic chain tensioner I suppose. Really enjoying the series, great help 👍😎
Hi Geoff, You new bike is a totally different motor buddy, read through your service schedule and it will tel lyou whether you must adjust the primary chain or not..? the newest Harley motor i had was a 96"ci back a few years ago.. so not been inside a 103 yet..!
Hello from across the pond. Great videos. I was curious about you servicing the level back to what came out as opposed to what the manual calls for. Working on aircraft, I've often found a job done incorrectly by the previous mechanic. So I feel wrong doing things the way it was instead of the manual requirements. So...why do you not service to the quantity the manual calls for? The previous mechanic could have overserviced it. Thanks for the videos.
Hey there brother Very well done videos my man self explanatory very clearly explained and shown! Did my primary oil change today on my 2000 Fatboy and sure thing it was entire 1L of dirty scum oil came out Lol Just found one piece of siver chip on plug itself do you think this may it indicate something as you mentioned in this video? Also my drain plug wasn't neither you are described here .Same size of wrench tho it was T30 however it was just a little bolt which came out with no gasket or taper kind of thread. It was just regular one you are showing here however like i said way smaller and no rubber oring! Anyway thank you so much again very pleased watching your videos RIDE SAFE &CHEERS Oliver
How do you know the amount of oil that was in the primary was the correct amount to begin with? What if the amount that was in there was wrong to begin with?
On my 2006 Fat boy they must have changed because it's the same parallel plug as your 2005, but it takes a 3/16ths allen wrench. And my service manual has a torque setting of 30-60in/lbs (4.1-6.8 Nm).
Well explained! I am very happy with your videos. Do I have one more question, namely instead of Hylomar Blue I used Loctite 5926 to seal the threads during the engine oil change. Did I use the right product? I hope you can help me with this. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Wilfred
Once again Del you show us biker on how easy it is to do simple job on any bike for a fraction of the cost from a garage.....watch and listen folks Mr Del is making sense here...
awesome vid once again mate i got a thumb ratchet just for the feel of the fitment and the light torque and penny thanks your camera work is also under valued and really good give credit where credit is due
Hi Dell n Pen Thank you for your easy to follow instruction. I have serviced my Softail and purged the old oil as you demonstrated, wow fancy leaving all that crap in their. I also have a 2002 Road King, how do I purge the oil from that please
First time viewer and found your video's 1 and 2 very informative. Your video's are a real confidence builder. Thank you Both so much, very much appreciated.
Thanks for your videos, they are very helpful. My question; you've made it clear that with regard to the gearbox oil the amount that I replace should be the amount that I have removed. But, what if the amount that was removed was the wrong amount, either too much or too little? Someone else changed the oil before I did. So if I'm replacing the oil with the same amount as was there, I am going to just perpetuate the problem. Any suggestions?
Hi mate 👍😉 What if you put a little to much oil to the tranny? I always measure the oil level on the dipstick when the bike is straight -not on the kickstand . I put like 950 ml in to the gear box.
Great video brother I have a question? Mine is a 97 road king with a 1340 Evo 5 speed do you fill up to the same spot? Do you know about these primary's? Or no, appreciate it man have a good day!
No Sir, if you check the primary on the side stand, it will all pour out the derby cover hole, some oil checks are upright and some are on the jiffy stand, generally the only one on the jiffy stand is the engine oil, but gearbox and primary on most bikes are upright... but check your manual if you're not sure.
@@Moonfleet41 Ok, thanks for the info. Really enjoy the video's. Always learning something new. I have a 2013 Heritage Softail Classic FLSTC Love It! I want to take good care of the bike. And you help me do that.
Hi, i change primär oil today, and it was 1 liter in it🤔i think it is to much, and it's not easy for me to see if it is to much, is it to little with 7,6dl? Fatboy 02.
I recently bought a 07 FLSTC and am changing the fluids for the first time. My question to you is about the amount of primary case oil you are recommending. You and others on RUclips are saying 26 oz. but the official (and expensive) HD book on my model definitely says that 36 oz. is required. The factory trained mechanics agree emphatically. Very nice job with your video though. I look forward to learning from you about other maintenance related goodies for my new baby.
Hi there, what is far more critical with any Harley Davidson primary, any model from Sportster to Tourer, rather than the quantity is the actual oil level, it is absolutely imperative that the oil level must be no higher than the bottom of the clutch plates, this will be advised and diagrammed in your manual so set the level to this regardless of how much it takes.
Just found this video today, I know it’s old! I’m no Harley mechanic but I found it useful to watch. Question? Are all Harleys fill the primary to the bottom of the clutch spring typically the correct level? Working on my dads 86 FLST Heritage Softail that I inherited. RIP Dad! The manual says to fill the level to the bottom opening of the Derby cover. It’s about 1.5 quarts and visually a lot higher then the bottom of the spring clutch. Any thoughts? Thank you kindly……..
Hi Jesse, firstly, the actual quantity of oil you put in in ounces is less relevant than the level itself... the quantity is a guide that more than anything else helps you to know how much oil to buy before you start the job but you always fill to the correct level... the bike in this video is an 88 twin cam and your EVO has a different shaped primary set up (very slightly), the clutch itself sits a little higher in relation to the hole, but most importantly of all, you fill to the bottom of the clutch plates on all Harleys... if you fill less than that, then the clutch can overheat as it needs oil to cool it, and if you fill higher than that, then the clutch can drag and be very difficult to get in to gear, so ' bottom of the clutch plates always'... in your EVO that is almost at the lip edge of the hole, but in a twin cam it's lower down due to where the clutch pack sits.
Great video Del. Wish I would have watched prior to filling my primary up to the top and then starting the engine. Now I’m thinking I should drain it and put the correct amount in. I’m thinking my clutch plates will be soaked. Arrrgh !! Any tips on how to correct my screw up ?
Hi, as an expat Harley owner living in the US many people I know change the engine oil more frequently than the primary and transmission. Oil changed at 2500 miles and primary and trans at 5000. What are your thoughts on this? Thx
My thoughts would be that 2,500 for engine is a little over zealous, but only in terms of it being unnecessary, not wrong... it's never wrong to change oil too early! As for the others, that sounds about bang on... Primary oil gets contaminated with clutch dust and the Gear oil gets mushed, you'll always detect an improvement when you change it, so it must be relevant.
I can see that i'm going to have to start wearing a hard hat with a little light on the front,....because your a mine of information. Great series of videos, especially as iv'e got a softail.cheers, Del
Great tutorial as always! At 10k miles service, is there a point in removing the entire primary cover to see what's there? Or do you recommend just using the 2 covers like in this video? It's a 2003 Fatboy
I would only bother if there was tell tail swarf in the oil when i drained it, or the oil was very dark grey indicating possible clutch plates wear... but if it's just to "see what's there"...Remember it's over £35 for a primary gasket..! Your choice thought.!
@@Moonfleet41 Thanks a lot mate. I already have one in silicone I think. They are expensive, I am just scared to not make it sealed tight. I know you love Hylomar , so I was thinking if I did it, I would put that on the gasket so it would stick to the primary when putting it back on :)
Hells teeth, Penny!!! You haven't let 'Monkey Boy' spill a drop of oil on the new benches .… have you? 😱 (Even though he did (fair do's) wipe it up straight away! (Good boy, Del! 😜) Loving ALL your vids and the new look, 'operating theatre'-clean motor-sickle laboratory. Keep up the excellent work guys, but don't forget to schedule in some riding days out now that weather is getting much less British! Have fun guys, and appreciate all the (unseen) 'perspiration' that goes on behind the scenes. 👍👍
Thanks Mark, you're too kind.. and yeah, we get some ride time in when we can... the new cabinets are all over the place at the moment, i need to shift them about a bit to make some more room across the work end of the garage.... kind of a "Cabinet Reshuffle" lol
Hope you're doing it to music 😜 and make sure there are no cobwebs or (perish the thought) any dust behind the cabs, before they go back against the wall. Have great fun, and looking forward to the new 'new look'. You two are SUCH a great pair, and SOOO giving of your time, knowledge, experience and yes.… seriously good entertainment value, too. Don't change anything, will ya! 👍👍
Dude! You quite possibly saved me big $$$ at the Harley dealership. Been struggling to get my bike in neutral forever. Pulled the cover off and shined my flashlight in and BINGO!! Way too much oil in there so I drained it, put the proper amount and good to go. Now I can shift into neutral at a stop light.... crazy shit man! Thanks for these videos!
haha you're most welcome brother, that is exactly what we load the videos for, so glad the information could help you and save you some bucks! Ride safe and enjoy the weekend...
fk....i'm gonna need to do this also....pain in the ass to find neutral
Original owner of a 2002 FatBoy. Been doing my own service after the initial 1000 mile by dealer. I’m not an expert, but can hold my own on maintenance and parts changing. I actually worked up the courage to do my own rotor/brake pad replacement and caliper service recently. Took some time, but I did it and glad I did it.
On a side note, my primary case has the tapered drain plug that needs pipe tape. I always thought that was a weird/stupid idea on Harley’s part since the rest are NOT. Glad to see that they have corrected/updated that with the parallel plug and gasket, much better. (Good to know if I ever crack my case the new cases will be updated).
Great vids. Always enjoy watching and learning things I thought I knew ;))
Sure thing buddy, I have the tapered plug on my Dyna now (99 model), but it's never given me any problems, you should never crack it unless you go swinging on it... you're more likely to mince the thread first, as only a very shallow taper... good luck with it buddy!
Its very very rare for someone that actually knows what they're talking about when it comes to a bike, and then on top of that its even more rare to find someone who is willing to make a video about what they are doing.... and to top it all off your doing what most never would do, your sharing your knowledge and doing it in a video, all while sharing tips and tricks that no one will ever share with you, they all just let you mess it up yourself and charge your a shit ton to fix it instead of telling you the correct way to do stuff... that Sir is why I watch your videos and have subscribed to your channel.. keep up the great work buddy stay pleasant, and stay safe but above all... have fun
Thank you SM for you kind words, it's very much appreciated, ride safe and enjoy the miles!
Hey man, just wanted to say thank you I’m watching this video six years later on a custom Bilt Evo hundred cubic inch chopper. I just did the primary oil tank in the very bottom drain plug on mine these videos help me walk through the whole process next up is the transmission but it’s Sunday, so I’m just in time for sunset Road. Thanks again for posting these things there, timeless and helping people all over the world. Greetings from California !!
Most welcome and thank you so much for your kind words of support.. Glad I could help! Ride safe and enjoy your projects..!
i'm so impressed you've taken the time to reply to so many comments. At 76 yrs. i'm petrofied of screwing something up, but thank you for the instruction and i'll give it a go.
Good luck with it my friend, hope it goes well...
Thanks to you and your daughter! I am 62 years young & this past November have just bought my 1st road bike... 2005 Ultra Classic. I'm hungry & excited to be able to do a lot of the repairs & maintenance myself and I have been enjoying your video's very much!! Because of your video's and how you explain what your doing, I'm feeling more and more confident that I can learn this information! Thanks again!!
Me and my daughter Rob?? Penny likes you very much lol - seriously, thank you for your kind words, and glad the videos can help you, enjoy your new bike !
I want to thank you so much! You just literally explained an issue I'm having on a bike I just bought. No one has been able to tell me in the last 3 days what the issue is. From what you just described, I'm going to assume the guy I bought it from overfilled the primary. So hard to shift into gear and can't get it in neutral, and when I have the clutch lever pulled in, it still tries to roll far ward. I have to constantly keep my hand on the brake. Going to drain the fluid and start over! Thanks so much!!!
Hi Mike.. those symptoms sound very much like an overfilled primary case... good luck wit it, let us know how you get on mate.. !
lmpeccable !!
A long lifetime of owning and maintaining every shape and form of motorcycle has taught me they all indeed stir the spirit .Two wheels is two wheels and your vast array of work on all styles of steed is a back catalogue of knowledge to be universally consumed and taken advantage of ..
You are truly the most selfless couple I have ever had the enormous pleasure of calling friends.
Thank you on behalf of all the viewers. Peace and Love to all xxx
Why thank you most kindly Captain Springy Sir... we always appreciate your lyrical medication to help the day flow... so has the XJR not turned up yet, the one you arent getting..???
Moonfleet41
aha yes the one that doesn't exist definitely isn't coming Monday while I'm at work and I certainly won't be rushing home to receive it as I'm only 10 mins away...they are not going to call me when they set off and when they're nearly here...I'm absolutely not getting very exited and definitely under no circumstances be doing a walk around check it out video in the excitement which obviously won't exist as of course it's all hyperthetical ....
ps... just polishing Pinky at present (now that just sounds wrong) I mean just putting a shine on the gsx of course...
and cleaning out the garage /Shed to make room for no other bike whatsoever of course...Big Love !!!!🤘
I'm a Yank but you are a very cool guy. Your passion and intelligence is appreciated from anyone who has love for Harleys!
Thank you most kindly Carl, thats very generous of you to say, and we really appreciate your support Brother.. take care and ride safe.. Del.
thank you very much for the great video. I haven't had a Harely since 1974, and that one was a 1950 pan, that I did a top end job on. I did it with the confidence of a 20 something,, teenager,, No book, no videos, no instructions,, pretty much put it back the same way you took it off. I am the proud owner of a 2006 softail deuce now, and have lost that mentality years ago. to save money and learn, I prefer to do things on my own. Your videos are a benchmark to follow, keep up the good work and sharing.
Than you my friend and welcome back tot he world of bikes, that was a great mentality to have and no reason to lose it, but I understand what you say, we all develop more caution and anxiety about things over the years... the MoCo produces some awesome manuals now, so get yourself one from the main dealer, they're a big thick A4 book, should cost you about £60 equivalent, which is quite a lot but they are the best manual you can get for a Harley, it will walk you through every job you can imagine, step by step, along with torque values and any warnings you need to know! Good luck with your projects and enjoy your bike, keep safe, Del
as a first time 1994 Harley owner; had/have been paranoid about doing things right and not messing anything up since I do not have prior mechanical experience on motorcycles ... your series of videos (of course this one included)... simply takes all that paranoia away and instead give this great amount of confidence to do all the mechanical work myself ...
I just wanted to thank you very much, thank you!
Dude I found you!!! Took me like 10 min to find your on RUclips. I wanted to leave you a comment because you saved the day at my work place! Yes, I did subscribe, because you're awesome and you saved me a huge headache. You see, I normally don't subscribe, rarely like anything either on RUclips, but it's the least I could do for the cool trick you taught me. I'm an automation technician and I deal with stripped screws all the time. I bought some of that valve polish stuff (can't remember at the moment what it's called, sorry.) My partner thought I was a genius. It worked awesome! I did credit you for the teaching me this awesome trick. Just wanted to say thank you and keep up the good work. Still wish I had more confidence working more on my own bike more but I encounter very expressive mistakes over the years and it could be my life if I mess up. I would attempt to do it if I could find someone local to guide me as I go. I know I could do it.. anyway, thanks a bunch!!
Thanks buddy, appreciate the feedback and the shout out... every day's a school day aye, we should all learn from each other!
This is fantastic! THANK YOU for considering those of us who are just starting out! I appreciate the back knowledge so I can begin to see a more full picture.
Most welcome Sir, am glad it could be of help!
@@Moonfleet41 Actually, I ride...NOT my husband! And I enjoyed your video because I want to learn to take care of my bike on my own. But many videos make the assumption the viewer is already an established mechanic. So, thank you, again, for explaining very basics as you go!
@@gardennurse1588 So sorry for the Gender assumption Gardennurse, What a clumsy chauvinist faux pas there.. Must try harder.. ! Glad you can find use in the videos, and always feel free to drop us a line if you need a tip of second opinion on something... Take care and ride safe.. Del.
@@Moonfleet41 No worries, just caused me to chuckle. I get that a lot actually. I found your help incredibly valuable, and I subscribed for sure. Thank you for taking the time to teach! 😉
Been riding bikes for over 30years and do the oils on my harley but love the vid Dell and have pick up one or two tips from you.thanks from an old dog!
Hi Vincent, good to hear from you... thanks so much for your support, it's an honour to be able to reach out to the experienced riders out there and have their respect... ride safe, and keep yer boots in the breeze brother...
My hats off to you mate… you’ve actually turned me into a halfway decent mechanic.. I already was mechanically inclined but I combine that with what I’m learning from you and I’m actually turning into a decent mechanic thanks to you no kidding..
Thanks Steven, glad to hear that mate.. remember it's your hands on the job mat, so you must have had skills untapped and just woken to it with practice.. Thanks for the kind feedback buddy.
Sir, your videos are great. I do follow the service manual, it specifies torque for the drain bold and derby cover screws. Also it specifies (my bike is a 2006 heritage) 32oz of primary fluid. I always follow the book. Thank yo uagain.
I just found your channel today and hope to be able to perform some of the more simple maintenance tasks on my 2006 Heritage Softail Classic. For more complex procedures, like changing out the cam chain tensioners, I guess it means a trip to the dealership. The woman running your camera is great, she zooms in and out perfectly, this allows the novice to better understand your actions. THANKS!
Hi there, thanks for your cool feedback, it's entirely what we intended to be share some knowledge on basic housekeeping maintenance, and yes, for jobs like your cam chain tensioners, unless you're familiar with that kind of work, I would invest in the time of a professional to do that for you, the peace of mind is worth it and at the same time you're still saving time on the basic jobs! Have fun with it, ride safe!
My manual says 14 - 21ft-lbs for the primary drain plug (13 Fat Bob 103). Always drain cool. All the fluid is at the bottom where the plug is. That warming the engine up is from the old days before synthetics. Thanks for the tip on the screws; good stuff.
You're dead right buddy, not only that, warming up an engine sends all the sediment up round the motor, leaving plenty of it in there when you come to drain it out... if an engine's sat for a while, all the sediment makes it's way to the lowest point, so gets pushed out by the oil first... good luck with your projects, and thanks for your support.
Hi Del & Penny, been a long time since I caught up on your videos, I still have my Ducati but also just bought a 2008 Buell XB12X 9k miles and love the thunderstorm engine, Primary oil and engine oil separate also fuel tank is the air box, fuel is in the frame and oil in the swing arm whaaaa, I gotta learn new skills on the engine and bike . Love it . Also love getting back to your vids,. Ride safe folks. ❤️
Congratulations on the Buell and good to hear from you! What a fabulous bike... and very rare now! Enjoy many happy miles on it, ride safe, D&Px
Hi Del
all done, changed the oil so thought i might as well go for the couch adjustment while the cover is off, unfortunately the jam nut on the adjuster will not budge i cannot move it at all, so i gave that up, i may have to take it along to the dealer and get them to adjust it. once again thanks for the quality videos i couldn't have done it without you. next on the list is the engine oil and then my daughters sportster will get its brake fluid changed. Thanks
Just a side note. (Great Videos.) When I replaced the drain plug on my 2000 Dyna(Primary) , I wrapped the plug with Teflon and then started tightening the plug, it felt like it was not getting tight enough. As I carefully tightened it, it went in too far, right into the primary case and the oil began leaking out. I had to remove the primary case, replace the gasket and the oil and reinstall the plug until it was snug. The plug on mine does not have an o ring and is not tapered, so it's easy to go in too far. Lesson learned.. I check for leaks often and it does not leak or drip. Hope this comment helps make others aware of this simple mistake. Cheers; Shan O'Hara..
If I can offer a suggestion Shan, next time you check that plug you'll find that it is tapered. People expect there to be an obvious slant to the thread, but it's extremely subtle, if you get a dial gauge and measure the thread top to bottom, it's maybe only 1mm wider at best, but that's enough for it to wedge and not fall out... if it wasn't tapered it'd have a flat flange like a normal bolt and bolt up tight... but if it bothers you you can fit a regular plug in place of it. Cheers mate, and thanks for your input.
Awesome job, not a bunch of rambling talk, educational, held my attention and made me eager to learn more. Thanks, well done.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I just bought a 2019 Road King and this was vary educational I loved it.
I love your videos man. They are so informative and so easy to follow. Good camera angles. Good clear instructions. A big thumbs up from me. Keep up the good work. 👍🤜
Thank you for your kind feedback John, that's very kind, we're glad the videos can help!
Thank you for the videos!! You confirmed my longtime suspicion that changing the oil when cold and stationary removes more of the oil than when warm. Your measuring the output of oil was really a good idea! I plan to do that next time. THANKS!
Hi there, Yes its a bit of a debate that one, i have always held the view that oil will creep its way down to the sum constantly over days... but it will initially cling to the inner metal parts even when its hot...after all, its designed to do that...
@@Moonfleet41 i agree
reminds me so much of Triumph and BSA pre-unit construction bikes. Loads of really useful information. Thank you Del and Penny.
Same old technology i suppose.. these just dont leak so much..lol!
Excellent information on oil level
Thanks for sharing
Nice work Del and Penny. This will help lots of harley owners, by giving them the confidence to service their bikes and save big dollars along the way. Here in Oz, dealers charge big dollars for a service just like over there.
Same all over the motor trade mate.. even cars.. Mercedes now charge £200 an hour here.... damn it, even Surgeons done earn that much money...lol!
He talks funny but he knows his stuff...I like the info and the way he makes it idiot proof...plus I got an 06 softtail and the info is all usable to me....thanks dude. .. I'll keep watching...
Del & Penny you are knocking it out of the park! With this instructional videos,dam I miss my 48!😩.
Great viewing,as always.
Respect to you both.
Thanks buddy... sounds like you need another Harley in your life..??!!!
If only mate,my better half worried too much when I was out and about and to be honest it was becoming an obsession!,but I get my fix watching videos like yours.Hope you are both well and as always look forward to your next instalment.
This is likely a dumb question but here goes….. where do you get those glass jugs for measuring the oil you took out and put back in? Did you just steal the wifey’s measuring cup and give it back afterwards or did you buy a pair for the garage specifically?
Got those specifically for the garage, and they're from IKEA of all places.. spotted them when i was in there and throught.."ooh, handy" !
@@Moonfleet41 ahhh…. excellent idea! Got an Ikea 15 minutes away from my place!
Interesting the mythology that surrounds the name of things like the Fat boy name.
I had always understood that the Derby cover was so named because back in 1957, there was a prominent motorcycle club that had begun a ritual if riding to the Kentucky Derby annually and selling custom motorcycle parts. During this particular derby, for some reason, they sold mor of the season covers than anything else.
The name stuck. 🤷♂️ who knows.
🤔 perhaps we should come up with our own anecdotes and see if they become popularised 🤣. Here’s the first one then - it’s called a derby cover because back in the day when you entered a race derby you would get a special decorated winners derby cover to put on your bike. 🤣
Cheers Del.
Keep up the awesome videos you and the essential camera expert 😊
Ride safe. 🤜👍
Hi John..The way i heard it..Derby covers are apparently so called because they resemble the shape of the 'Derby" hat..later called the Bowler hat ! at least the Derby covers used to resemble Derby hats back in 1957 !! google an image, you'll see the resemblance ! Thanks for your support mate, good to hear from you.
My Street Bob has the same drain plug in all three holes. It's a 5/8" hex head with an allen key hole in it as well. Not sure when it changed, however. As usual, your videos are outstanding, and informational. Thanks!
Yes buddy.. thats right.. the Dyna motors make it easier.. its just the Softail engines that are all different.!
Although I had to go back out and check what 30oz is in metric, I got 900ml out too and was at perfect level prior to drain...cleaning off plug after I pulled it and the magnet came loose... $4.10 U.S. for a new one...the cheapest HD part on the planet!!! Evidently the MoCo knew it was an issue as the new one has a shorter magnet bonded in on all sides and bottom. Time to fill and check chain! Thanks Del and Penny! I'll square up after my full purge tomorrow...you folks are the best!!! Oh and they Hylomar Blue came just in time today so I have a thin film of U.K. parts on my Worldly H-D. ;)
Hey Wolco, good to hear from you buddy, it's great to get jobs done yourself and it's great to hear you have a little of the UK on your bike, glad it went well, all the very best, thanks for your D&Px
Thanks again Del, Im rewatching the Full Purge and hoping you are still around today...You mentioned checking oil tank level cold as you are putting cold oil back, you didnt take it for a ride after that right? Cold oil change right? Oh and my primary chain only had a 1/4" of slack! Along with a clutch adjustment, the hard shifting and extreme loud clunk gone!
Hi Wolco, have sent you an email which we hope you got ok ! Ride safe... D&Px
I did! Thanks, and you and Penny too!
900 ml is about 30 oz. My owner's manual says to put in 38 oz. Love your videos. You always learn more when you know the "why" part of the job as Delboy says.
Yeah, it seems to vary all over the place.... but if your bike performs right, no clutch drag and Neutral is easy to select... then jjust put that much back in ... how hard can it be aye..lol!
As a new fat boy owner, this series is awesome! Thank you so much Del and penny!
Most welcome Sir, glad it could help you and congratulations on the new bike!
Concerning the primary drain plug you will find the torque specification in Softail Model service manual 99482-09 chapter 1 page 24 14-21 ft-lbs (19.0-28.5 Nm). Thank you for all your great videos. I have a 2008 Fat Boy and watch your individual videos before starting each maintenance chore. John from Lake Tishomingo, Hillsboro Missouri USA
Thank you for your time, knowledge and extreme diligence. These videos are invaluable.
You are very welcome Jay, im glad the videos can help you sir..
Dear sir , I really enjoy your videos , down to earth and very clear , thank from a first timer
Hey David, Great to hear from you Sir, Thank you for your kind feedback, and welcome aboard...
Good comment on draining cold oil. I have noticed the same outcome as well on both of my Triumphs. I also think that it is possible when you drain cold oil, you are giving the contaminants time to collect undisturbed which you get on then drain out. On another note, I am not sure if you have heard H-Ds new motto..."Hardley-Dangerous - The thunderous noise without dealing with the nuisance of horsepower!!" HA!!!!
Take a Dyna Lowrider S out for a test ride... you laugh at that old worn out mantra then buddy.. !!!
and yeah, i always get more oil out when drained cold..!
keep an eye on draining and checking to place back. There is some loss of oil over time from several sources within the primary. Fill with the recommended fluid ounces to insure proper full. Use the service manual and use what is recommended. Great video.
Slightly disagree buddy.. filling with a specified quantity from a manual presumes that every ounce it drained out first, it's easy to end up over filled by going to a manual spec and blindly following it... the very best and only way to avoid over filling is to get close, then check the level on the clutch plates and adjust as needed so its perfect... if you check the level before you drain.. and its dead right, then you can mirror the amount drained out with the amount refilled, and it should be the same...
@@Moonfleet41 Been doing this for 50+ years. Riding bike for 30-45 min prior to draining ensures oil is to operating temp. This ensures adequate drainage of reservoir. Any residual remaining is inconsequential. Never had an issue with dragging clutch, or plate saturation. If you start and continue to do your own service you ensure proper oil return. If you have service done by an outside source, you can have issues with over/under fill. First service and subsequent one's done by yourself ensures proper procedure. Never had a saturation problem with clutch plates due to over fill. With all service you should check multiple systems and clutch function is one. This may require adjustment due to wear and normal usage. As well as braking systems and all other fluids. If done properly there is a lot more to service than changing primary, oil, transmission fluids at intervals. Just saying if you ever have a problem with a warranty issue, saying I only placed xyz amounts of fluid back into the case after I measured it upon emptying, Well you may have an issue with warranty.
@@Frostytravels All sound points... i think we'd both agree that correct oil level it always important...
@@Moonfleet41 Absolutely, I wholehearted agree.
Very comprehensively explained. It's funny isn't it but there's nothing more passionate than the nonsense on Harley Forums, and to an extent Triumphrat is similar. Whenever I delve for something I end up more confused than when I started. That's where experience and common sense come in, so thank goodness for some light in the dark, and you've always provided that. Hoorah!
Thanks Pete, you explain that dead right buddy.. Passion... all the worry on those forums comes from confusion, and passion for taking care of their bikes.. both Triumph and Harley, (plus of course many other makes too) suffer with this passion to take care of the bike at home.. and side step the ever spiraling costs of dealer servicing..offset also, against the wish to be more involved with their pride and joy... so its just a hunger for reliable and consistent information that makes it such a hullabaloo..!
DEL !! All your videos I've watched are sooo informative. I'm getting use to your accent and can understand you much better now. I'm from the states in Illinois and i see you have our plates with your name on it,very cool! Keep up the good work and love the information your awesome and want to let you know you are appreciated! P.S. Your wife is a Queen for putting up with you! LOL
Thank you John, good to hear from you, and really appreciate the cool feedback.. keep warm and have a great weekend.. Del.
Nicely done as always. Minor suggestion: Showing a proper final "button up" of the primary cover (showing how to torque it, etc) would have been nice, so the whole process is shown start-to-finish all in one video. Most people will be fine with the verbal "button up" instruction given at the end, but showing it for real would be good for newbies to see.
Next video Richard i made that point in the video, ill do the clutch adjustment next, which anyone would do while they have the cover off, then ill show the full torque down of the cover in sequence....
This is a series, that once its done, will work together as 5 or 6 individual videos to cover a full service... you wouldn't torque the cover up without doing the clutch adjustment, so check that next, and then the task will be complete..! Thanks for your kind comment buddy, much appreciated. Del
As a Yank I get great appreciation listening to a Brit. An Englishman always seems to have a more scientific and precise manner of doing blue collar activities. You've got a excellent organizational habits and you should be proud of that. Guys over here are always attempting to prove how tough and manly they are. Lol and it doesnt matter how tough you are unless you find yourself in combat (war) or some one is bringing harm to you or your family. And we all know that the U S.A. and Great Britain are brothers who must stick together!!!! Because our two countries have almost all the same things that we hold dear to our heart. In this world everyone is against us if all goes to hell and Sir Winston Churchill (God rest his soul) understood this; our two countries have only eachother to stand beside eachother and keep our awsome way of life to continue!!!
Thank you Carl, and i agree with your sentiments entirely, over half of our audience demographic is in the USA, and we get constant and generous support and kindness from our US viewers.. So thank you for your kind words Brother, keep safe and stay in touch.. Del.
Hi Folks, absolutely luv the clear & concise, easy to understand knowledge you are passing on!! Keep it up. Thank you :)
Thank you , glad you enjoyed...!
Thank you for what you do!!....your detailed explanation is excellent..
Your tutorial help me answer some questions I had...
Another top video. Obviously two measuring jugs is the way to go, (congratulating myself on not going for the obvious gag there!) I only have a small polythene one and a big black opaque one for oil.
I did make that joke in the video.. but Penny made me edit it out.. boo humbug..!
Good video. I just replaced my derby cover and the conversion from In/lb to Ft /lb was about 8.3. 12 seem a little high
I've never owned a Harley and suspect I never will but I'm still watching these videos as they're so well done they're still interesting. 👍
Thanks David, and never say never buddy... take care. Del.
Cheers, if they make something like a Street Triple I might be tempted! 😉
Nice one Del & Penny. Another real informative & well explained video. Always good to learn about different makes/models of bikes. 'See' you soon. Cheers Al.
I love your channel. Lots and lots of information about HD maintenance. It's High Tech. Keep it up Del and Penny!
Thanks Jeffrey, You are very kind... Del.
Hey Del...love your vids buddy. This one is perfect, I have a 2005 , 15 Anniv fatboy.
I just changed my oil/primary this weekend.
Engine: 2 qts Valvoline 20w-50 mc oil & 3/4 Lucas oil stabilizer
primary: Castrol GTX 20w-50 Dino
Tran: Bel ray 85-140 gear saver
ps..My manual does say 26 oz, for that fatboy though. But we all are putting in 27-28oz, to reach clutch hub!
Hey Rich... good to hear from you buddy.. thats awesome ,exactly the same bike.. and im so glad we have been able to help you with these videos... we just filmed video #5, the main oil change and a full system purge today, ill be doing the post production tomorrow and the video will be up Wednesday on schedule...
its going to be a really popular video, because so many people don't realise just how much filthy oil is left in your motor if you don't purge it (almost a whole litre), and the dealers don't do it..my bike's service history has 6 recorded services, and the oil quantity each time it 2.8 litres... and i got 3.4 litres in as i always do.... also the manuals don't say to purge the motor when you change oil, so 90% of "trusting Joes" who swear the manual is gospel will argue its wrong....but wont be able to deny thats 30% sump oil mixed in with your new oil is all bad..... We're looking forward to the fire works in the comments from the Keyboard mechanics..lol
Thanks for you support buddy.. its good to know we could help..! Del.
love em' all pal....just watched the "clutch adjustment" vid, and the job came out FLAWELESS! My clutch /gears shift with ease, a neutral is cake!! just hear some clicking goin through the gears, normal eh?ps-love ya, brother! b safe Richie Rich-over and out! tell Pen, she does a great job with the video producing!!!
Yes..that purging is the way to go. mine needs one real bad!!19,000miles . I know there is a lot of stipulation with that whole statement you added, it all depends on who is running/feeding the oil companys, you know that Del...all about the almighty dollar my good man!!
Thanks Rich.. glad we could help you out with yours buddy.. glad to see you taking care of your wheels yourself... expands the pride of ownership aye.!
Your tips are more than just helpfull, thanks for all your videos, respect.
My pleasure, and thank you for the kind feedback.
Hi De, I don't have a Harley but love to lern new things and this was different and easy to understand . You've been too tidy and clean with your new bench hahh. Thanks, gus
Thanks Gus, a lot of the information will translate across to other bikes, like the sump plug advice, thats the same for any engine, even a truck..! and dont worry, the benches will soon get filled up and dirty..lol
Ur videos helped me tremendously and saved me thousands I really appreciate all ur help 🙏u are amazing at explaining and made me understand very easy god bless u
Happy to hear that, im glad the videos can help you out..
Really good videos man. I'm going to change my fluids on my 88' Softail tomorrow. I think mine is pretty much the same? I just got this bike a few weeks ago and I cant wait to get the trans and primary oil changed so I know its all fresh fluids! Great job... "happy riding from Michigan!" 👍
G'day both, couldn't sleep due to back pain so great delight on finding new Softsil vlog notification on my computer. Watched the vlog on my 42" tv & it's amazing how good the garage looks, I normally watch them on my tablet. I don't know if this is of any use to you but in the 2016 factory service manual they do give s torque setting for the primary drain plug -----14-------21 ft/lb. .Also no inspection cover on the 103 motor, as there's an automatic chain tensioner I suppose. Really enjoying the series, great help 👍😎
Hi Geoff, You new bike is a totally different motor buddy, read through your service schedule and it will tel lyou whether you must adjust the primary chain or not..? the newest Harley motor i had was a 96"ci back a few years ago.. so not been inside a 103 yet..!
38 oz of primary oil go in the primary on a O7 Ultra Classic. All three Drain plugs get torqued to 14-24 Ft pounds.Derby cover 80-90 inch pounds
Most informative. Many thanks. Keep up the great work. Your efforts are appreciated.
Thanks mate. So nice of you to say.
Hello from across the pond. Great videos. I was curious about you servicing the level back to what came out as opposed to what the manual calls for. Working on aircraft, I've often found a job done incorrectly by the previous mechanic. So I feel wrong doing things the way it was instead of the manual requirements. So...why do you not service to the quantity the manual calls for? The previous mechanic could have overserviced it. Thanks for the videos.
Hey there brother
Very well done videos my man self explanatory very clearly explained and shown!
Did my primary oil change today on my 2000 Fatboy and sure thing it was entire 1L of dirty scum oil came out Lol
Just found one piece of siver chip on plug itself do you think this may it indicate something as you mentioned in this video?
Also my drain plug wasn't neither you are described here .Same size of wrench tho it was T30 however it was just a little bolt which came out with no gasket or taper kind of thread. It was just regular one you are showing here however like i said way smaller and no rubber oring!
Anyway thank you so much again very pleased watching your videos
RIDE SAFE &CHEERS
Oliver
Great video thanks for taking the time!
How do you know the amount of oil that was in the primary was the correct amount to begin with? What if the amount that was in there was wrong to begin with?
On my 2006 Fat boy they must have changed because it's the same parallel plug as your 2005, but it takes a 3/16ths allen wrench. And my service manual has a torque setting of 30-60in/lbs (4.1-6.8 Nm).
Thank you for your videos. I have a 2004 softail. Very informative. Cheers from Ontario.
Thank you my friend, great to have viewers all the way from Canada !
Well explained! I am very happy with your videos. Do I have one more question, namely instead of Hylomar Blue I used Loctite 5926 to seal the threads during the engine oil change. Did I use the right product?
I hope you can help me with this. Thanks in advance.
Best Regards, Wilfred
cracking video mate..never serviced a Hog ..but you never which bike may cross your path in the Future..cracking work guys
Cheers Dave, its all free knowledge aye.
Some great tips here...like replacing the crappy torx screws with stainless steel Allen screws for the Derby cover. Subscribed 👍
Thanks for your subscription, welcome aboard!
Wow this is amazing your awesome Brother very thorough and leave nothing to question Thank You for taking the time to share your expertise ❤👍👍👍👍
Glad it was helpful buddy, thank you for your kind feedback.
Once again Del you show us biker on how easy it is to do simple job on any bike for a fraction of the cost from a garage.....watch and listen folks Mr Del is making sense here...
Ha ha, thanks Dean.. its just house keeping aye..!
awesome vid once again mate
i got a thumb ratchet just for the feel of the fitment and the light torque
and penny thanks your camera work is also under valued
and really good
give credit where credit is due
err on the side of caution
Thanks buddy... Penny is the driving force behind this channel for sure..!
Absolutly beautiful video. Thank you very much. I learned so much.
You are very welcome Martin.
Hi Dell n Pen
Thank you for your easy to follow instruction. I have serviced my Softail and purged the old oil as you demonstrated, wow fancy leaving all that crap in their. I also have a 2002 Road King, how do I purge the oil from that please
Only necessary on Softails David. No oil tank on your RK, just drain from the sump and you'll get it all.
First time viewer and found your video's 1 and 2 very informative. Your video's are a real confidence builder. Thank you Both so much, very much appreciated.
Hi Gary, thank you so much for your kind feedback, you're most welcome and glad the videos can help you out!
What are you using for fluid measurement glass container
With a pour spout?
Thanks for your videos, they are very helpful. My question; you've made it clear that with regard to the gearbox oil the amount that I replace should be the amount that I have removed. But, what if the amount that was removed was the wrong amount, either too much or too little? Someone else changed the oil before I did. So if I'm replacing the oil with the same amount as was there, I am going to just perpetuate the problem. Any suggestions?
Yes mate.. check the level is correct first.... then, if you replace what you drain out.. it will return to the correct level when you refill it.!
What is correct level and thanks great video
'Knowledge dispels fear' eh? - & it's a great growing medium . . . excellent series Del, required viewing. Salute : )
Thanks buddy.. Just spreading the love..!
Hi mate 👍😉
What if you put a little to much oil to the tranny?
I always measure the oil level on the dipstick when the bike is straight -not on the kickstand . I put like 950 ml in to the gear box.
Great vid, very thorough explanation
Great video brother I have a question? Mine is a 97 road king with a 1340 Evo 5 speed do you fill up to the same spot? Do you know about these primary's? Or no, appreciate it man have a good day!
Just been through the service schedule for the primary & no mention of chain adjustment, that's putting a lot of trust in the tensioner ay D
Trust in the manufacture Geoff.. no other bike has an adjustable primary chain does it..?
Will do oh mighty guru,have good weekend
Great video, learned a lot. You've taught this old dog a few new tricks.
Semper fi!
Liking your maintenance videos, I find them interesting. Thank you very much for sharing
Aren't you suppose to check fluids on side stand, not upright on lift table.
No Sir, if you check the primary on the side stand, it will all pour out the derby cover hole, some oil checks are upright and some are on the jiffy stand, generally the only one on the jiffy stand is the engine oil, but gearbox and primary on most bikes are upright... but check your manual if you're not sure.
@@Moonfleet41 Ok, thanks for the info. Really enjoy the video's. Always learning something new. I have a 2013 Heritage Softail Classic FLSTC Love It! I want to take good care of the bike. And you help me do that.
Perfect, just the level I needed, thank you.
Hi, i change primär oil today, and it was 1 liter in it🤔i think it is to much, and it's not easy for me to see if it is to much, is it to little with 7,6dl?
Fatboy 02.
Fill to the bottom of the clutch outer plate, regardless of the amount.
Ok, thank's🙏🙏🙏
Does it really matter if your bike is on the side stand if you are measuring the fluid?
I recently bought a 07 FLSTC and am changing the fluids for the first time. My question to you is about the amount of primary case oil you are recommending. You and others on RUclips are saying 26 oz. but the official (and expensive) HD book on my model definitely says that 36 oz. is required. The factory trained mechanics agree emphatically. Very nice job with your video though. I look forward to learning from you about other maintenance related goodies for my new baby.
Hi there, what is far more critical with any Harley Davidson primary, any model from Sportster to Tourer, rather than the quantity is the actual oil level, it is absolutely imperative that the oil level must be no higher than the bottom of the clutch plates, this will be advised and diagrammed in your manual so set the level to this regardless of how much it takes.
Just found this video today, I know it’s old! I’m no Harley mechanic but I found it useful to watch.
Question? Are all Harleys fill the primary to the bottom of the clutch spring typically the correct level? Working on my dads 86 FLST Heritage Softail that I inherited. RIP Dad! The manual says to fill the level to the bottom opening of the Derby cover. It’s about 1.5 quarts and visually a lot higher then the bottom of the spring clutch. Any thoughts? Thank you kindly……..
Hi Jesse, firstly, the actual quantity of oil you put in in ounces is less relevant than the level itself... the quantity is a guide that more than anything else helps you to know how much oil to buy before you start the job but you always fill to the correct level... the bike in this video is an 88 twin cam and your EVO has a different shaped primary set up (very slightly), the clutch itself sits a little higher in relation to the hole, but most importantly of all, you fill to the bottom of the clutch plates on all Harleys... if you fill less than that, then the clutch can overheat as it needs oil to cool it, and if you fill higher than that, then the clutch can drag and be very difficult to get in to gear, so ' bottom of the clutch plates always'... in your EVO that is almost at the lip edge of the hole, but in a twin cam it's lower down due to where the clutch pack sits.
Great video Del. Wish I would have watched prior to filling my primary up to the top and then starting the engine. Now I’m thinking I should drain it and put the correct amount in. I’m thinking my clutch plates will be soaked. Arrrgh !! Any tips on how to correct my screw up ?
what do i do if its a secondhand bike ,?how can i trust the oil level as you suggest when replaicing it with fresh oil??
Hello.
How many times can I use clutch protection towards?
Nice Q- card on your rt hand!
Hi, as an expat Harley owner living in the US many people I know change the engine oil more frequently than the primary and transmission.
Oil changed at 2500 miles and primary and trans at 5000.
What are your thoughts on this?
Thx
My thoughts would be that 2,500 for engine is a little over zealous, but only in terms of it being unnecessary, not wrong... it's never wrong to change oil too early! As for the others, that sounds about bang on... Primary oil gets contaminated with clutch dust and the Gear oil gets mushed, you'll always detect an improvement when you change it, so it must be relevant.
Hi the primary and engine use same oil?
I can see that i'm going to have to start wearing a hard hat with a little light on the front,....because your a mine of information. Great series of videos, especially as iv'e got a softail.cheers, Del
Ha ha, i like that. Thanks for your support buddy.. and we're glad the videos can help...! Del.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Great tutorial as always! At 10k miles service, is there a point in removing the entire primary cover to see what's there? Or do you recommend just using the 2 covers like in this video? It's a 2003 Fatboy
I would only bother if there was tell tail swarf in the oil when i drained it, or the oil was very dark grey indicating possible clutch plates wear... but if it's just to "see what's there"...Remember it's over £35 for a primary gasket..! Your choice thought.!
@@Moonfleet41 Thanks a lot mate. I already have one in silicone I think. They are expensive, I am just scared to not make it sealed tight. I know you love Hylomar , so I was thinking if I did it, I would put that on the gasket so it would stick to the primary when putting it back on :)