EP-133 K.O.II Broken Fader (Fadergate)
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How to fix the EP-133 K.O.II fader: ruclips.net/video/Z1aze7ySnxc/видео.html
Appreciate you sharing this, right now everyone it’s hyped up about this sampler, but in the upcoming weeks we will be able to have more balanced and real opinions and reviews about it
100% true
This is unfortunately standard with TE's products and we'll probably see more issues with the fader, knobs, buttons, and screen over the next few weeks.
I'm sure TE run some reliability and quality testing but because they ship in batches it seems they're OK with selling hardware that hasn't fully been validated with the idea that they'll fix it in later batches with post-ramp design changes.
That said, I'm excited to get mine in the next week or two still, but if I do run into an issue I'll return it 100%.
I have to wonder why they didn't send out review units before launching it, though. I'm not buying anything that makes sound, until I see a walktrough from loopop.
All Ep-133 Factory Sounds here: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1lqHracO15q4tDPq2FWmVHpW-x6wMKaYH
thanks, hope they make the option to see the sample name in the display available but till then I'll just be using these as a guide.
Each folder has only around 20 samples inside. Shouldn't there be 100 files in each folder?
@@ramskiramski how are these organized?
Thanks for this. I plan to load them on my 404 and pretend I have the Ep-133.
@@ramskiramski I guess they're leaving room in each category for your own samples.
I figured there would be an issue like this on the first rounds. Worst part is I still want one. However I'll wait until this is sorted out.
Could have ordered this before it sold out but I saw someone say "wait for the real reviews" - good advice...
Appreciated the sharing, especially for the sample pack, I'll pin your video to my channel for the community, thank you!
I had to deal with TE customer support once when I got a PO 400 that was mangled in shipping and they were an absolute dream. They will stand behind their product and make things right. Course it may take longer now since there are agagillion of these new devices being shipped but I would not worry about it at all.
Thanks glad to hear
Their reputation isn't what you claim. My understanding is they have very poor customer support.
You are correct i pressed my luck one too many times. I bought a TX-6 from them about 3 weeks ago. It arrived with a malfunctioning screen. It too 5 days to even get the first contact. then a week to get another response. then 4 more days to get a RMA number. I shipped it back its been two weeks and now NOTHING. Absolute worse case scenario customer service. Will never buy another TE product ever again. @@DetroitMicroSound
The EP-133 has a big profit margin because it’s still just a cheap single-sided PCB like a Pocket Operator. Every jack, knob and button is directly mounted to the board. But you’re not going to get a good fader in that thin form factor.
PO’s aren’t single sided…where on earth are you getting that idea? There’s not an ice cubes chance in hell it’s single sided. I’d wager money it’s minimum but likely 4 layers. Signal-Power-Ground-Signal if not 6 layers. Unless you mean a single sided board that meets up with a higher layer count LGA with the micro/dsp on it. That’s possible but I’d be surprised because even if you didn’t route having pads both sides and plate thru holes makes the thing immensely stronger and doesn’t add a lot of cost. You’re talking maybe $0.05 per square inch for 2 layer.
@@JamesReedy 4 layer gold pcb according to TE website
Expense also based on development costs, just sayin 🤙
Not entirely accurate as in the chip shortage caused problems
Yeah I was wrong about half those things! And the fader is even on a metal track. My EP-133 is fine, but … it’s still frustrating how incredibly cheap and bendy the thing is. I have a lot of pro audio gear and not-so-pro audio gear, and the TE stuff is BY FAR the cheapest build quality. I like the workflow of the EP-133 a lot. It’s just a shame that for $300 they can’t make something that’s safe to throw in a backpack.
Oh, no. Those factory sounds are going straight to my Koala Sampler :D
DO IT
there is a 12 month limited warranty, making a video is worth it for making other consumers aware however I'm sure the warranty department and TE team would like to receive the defective unit for repairs
The fader will not be an individual slide potentiometer that we would normally expect. Due to the thinness of the EP-133 form factor, I'd put money on the fader being a printed-on-the-board resistive film and a few plastic pieces that are either separate or molded into the top case. This is a space, manufacturing ease and money saving move that will likely bite TE in the end. Alesis made an analog mixer (model 1622) some years back where every single fader, knob and switch was printed on the large PCB of the unit with plastic moving parts for the knobs/switches and all of it was sandwiched to the front panel and 100+ plastic welds were holding it in place. Nearly impossible to fix without damage. It was a bad idea and Alesis dropped the concept altogether. TE might have a mess on their hands if more EP-133s have this problem. I'll see how it goes for me when mine arrives next week.
What you are staying is that it is highly likely I cannot fix this on my own?
@@DECIMA1 It's difficult to say without getting into the unit. It's probably a simple mechanical issue that could be fixed and possibly improved to prevent it from happening again, but it could also be the start of bigger issues. Hopefully we will see some teardown videos soon so we don't have to risk our own units to discover the cause of the problems.
I might be that person doing the tear down video BTW depending on how the return of the unit goes and warranty etc. Thanks for your input it is helping@@notsofastener
@@DECIMA1 Worst case: we can bypass it, wire a standard metal fader on top and make a hole for it trough the case. It won't be pretty and stick out, but that fader might be a reliability issue with all of the boards at some point. Or replace it with a standard pot - probably requires less case mangling.
TE engineers might be shitting bricks around now, but I had issues with my filter pot on my electribe2, all of my audio interfaces and mixers have had a buzzing audio pot or fader at some point. They pulled off an amazing form factor for this machine with newly engineered switches, there was bound to be an Achille's heel somewhere.
I guess it's a slider-encoder. So maybe there is some electronic issue in it. Maybe even a broken solder joint... Are you sure that it can't be a low profile slider?
To everyone starting to freak out as I just did:
Thought for a moment I had the same issue after rebooting my unit.
Turned out the fader was stuck on 100% only in group D on →fx! Seems like I accidentally recorded some automation and I couldn't seem to get rid of it, even after erasing it with erase+fader. After pushing shift+fader, I was able to use it again.
Prob not gonna solve it for you as you did a hard reset tho... Fingers crossed you find a solution soon.
Greetings from 🇩🇪
Good luck finding a resolution. If you have to go back and deal with TE customer service maybe make a video on that experience, might be handy for other who encounter this issue
I will 100% be making a video every step of the way. If they can't do anything I will open it up and fix it myself and film the whole process.
I received mine today and so far I have no problem with the fader issue but I also did not fully push the knobs all the way down. But I noticed something else about the black screen. If you hold it up to your eye level, the right hand bottom edge corner of the black screen does not flush as nicely as the left bottom edge corner of the screen. It seems slightly raised…Other than that I am really enjoying it! Thanks for bringing it to our attention about the fader issue so the rest of us know what to look out for! Cheers 😊
I’m definitely gonna get one, but I’m gonna wait for all the beta testers to work out all the bugs. 😅
Thanks for sharing this issue! Looks like several others are having the same, and for sure it makes me worried about the build quality. I've already ordered one from my local synth shop and not sure when it will be here... Subbed and hope they get you sorted ASAP!! 😁👊
Man thanks for sharing this. I thought you were hyping up something that was going to be disappointing like most RUclipsrs do when they keep eluding to “another video coming” glad that wasn’t the case.
I'm sorry I did not make the video sooner, I was doing everything I could software wise to fix it. I love the device but a slider that doesn't work is a big issue.
If shipping risks its damage in a protective box then its not going to last average consumer use, let alone the rough hands of DJs and beatmakers 😅😅😅
God forbid you put this portable sampler in a backpack, no way it would survive
@@selfharmonicwill literally defeat the whole point of buying it. The po-33 was crazy portable especially in a case. This being THIS fragile is concerning.
I had a feeling that something like this would happen with this device! That's why I didn't get one. Between the cheap build quality of the parts that TE used in their modules (every pot they use is garbage, and the plastic crap instead of knobs isn't "whimsical," it's wasteful), the fake environmental message they espouse while their PO screens are not able to be replaced by off-the-shelf parts (rendering them basically useless garbage if it breaks), their using terrible application on their website to load samples (instead of a free, open source application), and no sd card storage! This thing is exactly what I thought it would be. Glad that I passed. Some other company needs to step in, and eat their lunch.
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you are not the only one my friend. same thing for me, you can even see it in my unboxing video.
funny to hear you say your temptation to open and fix it i feel the same way but i also refrained from it. waiting on my store to get back to me on a return but i dont know im kinda tempted to just do a complete teardown and make a video about it for the good of the community. i have a feeling this unit is the most repairable one TE have ever done yet.
btw are you in montreal by any chance? i also bought it from moogaudio. if so we should meet up one day
I'm in Toronto bud thanks for the info! I am tempted to do a teardown video as well. If I'm ever in MTL we can meet up!!
@@DECIMA1 awesome!
Maybe moog audio put something heavy on a stack of ep-133’s 😂
Can you use an external fader and get the same functionality? I ordered before they sold out. If you return it they will just send an identical unit. Probably it will break if used a lot.
Thanks for sharing this. I’m feverishly awaiting mine in the mail. It was the first impulse gear purchase I’ve ever done so I’m a bit nervous. 😬
do not put the slider knob on when you get it
haha me too! I'm normally a 'wait and see' guy but for some reason I went for this one immediately. Lets hope my fader works lol
lol same!! Impatiently waiting 😂 I’ll definitely not add the knob yet
@@DECIMA1 sorry but how is putting a the slider knob on the mount an issue?
@@firstandlast4415apparently it takes quite a bit of force to get it on, if you watch a few unboxing videos you’ll see a lot of them comment on that. The two prevailing theories are that putting the knob on or shipping damage are causing the issue.
Apparently pushing that button on to the slider is a bit hard to do. The 4 buttons/knobs come loose in the box and need to be installed by the owner. It might have been damaged when it was installed by pushing it too hard.
It was working for a bit
You forgot to LOL on that
This sounds like a legit explanation tbh. I won't be installing my slider cap that's for sure.
EDIT: Cancelled my order. Going to wait to see if TE update the devices. Such a shame they've got this problem because it seems great otherwise but I can't be doing with dodgy controls. 😑
yeah not worth it LOL@@Some_Cat_
I was going to make the same comment about installing the slider cap. I noticed a video with someone having trouble installing the cap and pressing very firmly and commenting that it didn’t feel right. I thought “that’s probably not good.” Sorry for your trouble . I hope TE resolves the issue.
That really sucks! I'd love to see the inside tho 👀
SO tempting
Same issue with mine straight out the box. Seeing a ton of people with this problem online. Hopefully TE can modify the design of the fader housing or strengthen this weak point for future batches. If it's this fragile on a portable device, I dont see how it doesnt break for most people at some point down the line. Customer support has a busy week ahead!
My first concern which is why I wanted to figure out midi implementation. Less touching the better for anything from them
I’d rather beat on a cheap controller I can replace easier and keep hardware with cases and dust covers.
Do you have a vid on the usb c sampling work flow? How does lt combine with Ableton of any DAW?
Crud, hopefully this isn’t a widespread issue because I think this is a big hit for TE. Hope mine is shipped on Monday but haven’t heard yet.
Thanks for the sounds!
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I wonder, looking at unboxing videos, if it would be very easy for the stems of the slider and the pots to be pushed down by the boxes , without much pressure, could easily damage?
Has anyone done an analysis of the packaging?
Nothing worse than getting new gear and it develops an issue. Happened to me with my Rossum SP1200 twice (!!) but fair play, Rossum sorted it. Hope you fix it or get your KO fixed:
Thanks for the information and for the factory sounds
Hey just checked the google drive. It looks like the each folder only has about 35 or so samples rather than the full 100!
Thousands of broken screens on PO's comes to mind. ...and still TE refuses to just PUT IT'S PRODUCTS ALL IN BOXES LIKE EVERY OTHER COMPANY.
The product is the important item here, not the packaging. Packages should be designed to PROTECT the machine inside.
After seeing the repair, they clearly didn't think the fader through very well. Easy fix is just a couple of foam wedges under the arms to stop them from settling too high.
No good for a TE product, but does explain why it's so cheap.
Mine was also extremely hard to push on compared to the other knobs The part that the knob attaches to was probably manufactured out of tolerance. So far no issues with my fader . It seems That single fader/slider controls a lot and especially if you want to record motion. Hopefully. You get yours replaced quickly.
Same issue with my EP-133, such a bummer.
Oh no sorry to hear :/
I've got one of these coming on Thursday and when I see videos like this and others commenting that theirs is the same , it's making me worried
I owned their Modular 400 and sold it because of problems , the Modular 400 was a piece of garbage
I ordered my EP133 directly from TE and I've heard their customer service is terrible , I'm in the Uk so I'd have the hassle of sending it back to Sweden , so fingers crossed . Thanks for the putting the video up though dude
Just don't put the slider knob on it and hope it works!!
Do you reckon that's what knackered it ? @@DECIMA1
I'm having the same thought process, but if it does end up being a hugely widespread problem necessitating a mass recall, they'll have the foresight to use a UK distributor to handle returns.
I'm also a bit confused as to why they didn't charge for VAT for us UK buyers... I have this odd feeling the postman won't hand it over if I don't cough up 20% on the doorstep or something.
Oh Im thinking the same no VAT …. But actually they sold it like that..
Now I am worry about the fader 😪 mine is coming on Thursday too
@@ColonelForkEyes I got email from UPS today they want £75 in fees on delivery
I got a feeling they froze shipments this week. Mines stuck in Sweden still
I opened mine today and before even putting the knobs on, that the slider wouldn't go all the way up, only about 60%. Took a closer look and saw a small black piece floating in the slider hole, still wasn't 100% sure what was going on so started playing with it and noticed it wasn't responsive. Watched Cuokoo's video and immediately realized his works immediately on the Main page so. Womp womp, gonna contact B&H when they open and see what I can do about getting my $ back. Honestly even before the slider I was really surprised with the materials, and felt a little disappointed in the build quality and button feel. The design is really cool but yeah all rattling plastic pieces :-(
For $300 dollars, I would tell people to manage their expectations better and not to expect the world. I get mine Tues, and I'm not expecting a metal case with carbon fiber accents, or other high quality parts. No, I'm expecting plastic.
@@all.day.day-dreamer I definitely wasn’t expecting a metal body or soft buttons, I saw a few vids before and it still caught me by surprise when I opened. I’d actually rather pay $100-200 more to have something more robust. Apparently the fader knob is already becoming a common issue with these units, so I wouldn’t say I’m totally off here. Think I’ll be covered by the retailer but hope you don’t experience any of the above issues!
Some say it hard putting the knob on the fader so maybe damaged from that??
stumbed upon this, glad i did. was interested in buying but thanks, i'll pass / wait.
This is super helpful. There is SO much hype around this machine. Teenage Engineering has this reputation for exquisite design, but Dieter Rahms would not be pleased. Form follows function, and good design would be affordable but also use good design within those price constraints to ensure basic functions would not fail. Good design wouldn’t even use a part that would move this much and fail so fast. Thank you for posting this video. TE needs to make this right.
Mine has this issue as well. My enter button changes the slider value temporarily (increases above 50). My 3 button temporarily decreaes it. Also, moving the device...picking it up or putting it down triggers it temporarily.
So that's why it's $299. Shitballs, I just assumed it would be a quality unit but the more I see the cheaper I looks. Their pocket operators are also flakey, I just hoped the ko2 would have evolved out of those problems. For us Canadians it's over $400 so not chump money. Maybe I should cancel my backorder until the jury is in. Early adoption is always risky.
yikes ... that doesn't inspire confidence at all. Hope you manage to get it refunded/replaced.
I’m happy I didn’t buy it but I’m very grateful of what your doing showing us the unit to its full extent. Honestly from the antemons review I thought he said 2099. The fact it’s 299 is pretty tempting
It's under warranty. Send it back.
Holding onto it to make more videos appears to me to be 1 of 2 things.
I have what seems like the exact same issue. I bought two of them and my other one does not have the issue so I can clearly see what it looks like when it works compared to my other one they does not work. The fader only registers small changes that are not predictable nor do much to control the fx like it should. So I’m going to take mine back to the physical store I ordered mine from tomorrow when they are open, and have them send me a new one.
Watch my newest video
Should be getting mine on Monday from Musicians Friend. I’m not too big on sliders to begin with but I hope its not screwed up! Definitely will not be installing the slider cap.
Good call!!
@@DECIMA1Alright sooooo open it up right?
And use the ad revenue to buy another
@@john_schex I'm thinking about it let me wait a few days
Ouch. Can we please have a simple guide re exactly 😅what / how to check when our machines arrive.so we can can check thanks
Its simple do not install the knob on the fader
Oh sorry to go on. I thought some people had broken slider in the box ( before knob putting on-ing)
If this is a design / hardware issue, I would be really questioning TE's new product testing process and protocols. Like - Why was this not caught in testing? The answer, too often these days is - actual physical product testing was limited or nearly non-existent. The "Damaged in Shipping" is probably a cover story to save face concerning the above. Mega kudos to you, D. for all the indepth vids covering the TE KO2. You Rule! And, thank you. 👍👏😎❤😎👏👍
get off your knees
@@BrickBrxin LOLz. Right we should NEVER give creators any credit for providing us with informative FREE and valuable info. on products we may own or would like to buy... Giving accolades to a YT creator who goes above and beyond time and time again - is equal to a BJ? Really... Hey, I see you're actually a NOOB, having an account on YT for ONE week... I think you have a bit of growing up to do, concerning how to respond with some level of civility and kindness, which you obviously lack. Well, a very Happy Holidays to you too @BrickBrxin, and may I leave you with this - Duck a Sick! Duck a Sick, NOOB. 😂🙃😉😉🙃🤣
Having the same issues! Did you ever hear back from TE support?
I tried contacting my local shop who I got it from with no luck so far. I fixed it myself check out my other videos
I‘m surprised this cheap, lightweight, made somewhere in east Asia made device is having QC issues.
It's made in Spain (though mine has this issue 😂)
@@andrewyeung7317 oh it is? well my bad .. thought since the TX-6 was that this would be too. anyway it was the weakest argument anyway because stuff can and is manufactured just fine anywhere these days. However the cheap and lightweight part still stands... hope you sort yours out soon!
Dont be a hero and go in first. Wait and see
I WANT TO BE THE HERO
Bill Burr’s advice resonates!😂
Mine is broken as well :/
Sorry to hear
my slider didnt work out of the box, i thought i was just not using it right somehow and was losing my mind..
its only after searching around a bit ive found this video and see that others in the comments have it too.. what a shame this is because this is such a cool product
the place i got it from are offering a replacement but it wont be until they get a new batch of them now because they sold out so i just accepted a return and refund instead
will hold off now until we find out what the situation is and why its happening
Same here.
Wtf??
I'm sorry damn it!
Obviously you don’t want to open it up, but have you tried to contact cleaner? failing that it’s more than likely pins bent when you installed the knob
I'm going to open it up as a last resort
@@DECIMA1 probably best to try the contact cleaner first though as it could just be packing dust or something in the runners and it shouldn’t affect your warranty
Ok will do and I will report back in a future video @@hollownation
Dang! I spotted another user with this issue. Would be interested to know if it’s widespread?
It not all units but what will happen after weeks of use?
Yes top one works as link
I can't thank you enough to post the samples... I am happy to pay you for your work. Do you have a patreon? Also it says 1-99, 100-199, etc... there are not 99 samples in each folder is that correct?
Hundreds of thousands of devices? That seems like a ton. If it’s an issue from shipping maybe they didn’t do adequate testing for it being shaken around.
I misspoke i ment hundreds to thousands not hundreds of thousands
@@DECIMA1 gotcha - I was doing the math in my head like uhhh lol. Hope you get it repaired!
Np, thanks bud!@@MrStetsonator
I wonder if this is a design error that causes you to need to put to much force on the fader when installing the knob? Seen a couple of videos with people using unreasonable force(more force than I would dare) to be able to get the knob on.
I think this is the fundimental issue also its a slider, you are not supposd to push down on a slider. But for example the sliders on my Dreadbox synth Nymphes are very soild and will not get busted.
I wonder what percent of these units will have issues in the first 1-2 weeks ?
Hey decimal. I apparently lost my defaults sounds aswell. Can you post them somewhere so we can download them also does the speaker not work on this device. I can’t get it to work.
Watch my newest video it will be up in a few mins
Said he had to bend back fader legs that were t making contact with slider
are there any void seals on the machine?
I don't know but I want to know
Damn this is worrying.
that is a shame. I wasn't able to purchase immediately on release and the extra week or so will let us get some actual feedback from multiple people to get an actual idea on build quality. I hope they do something to resolve your issue either where you purchased it or if they repair it at TE.
Electronic music producers seem to be impulse buyers who get really upset immediately and you had a really reasonable approach to the situation. I think if more electronic musicians had more experience with instruments other than synths drum machines and samplers they would find that concessions have to be made to hit a price point like this. That doesn't mean immediate failures should be accepted either.
I think TE heard loud and clear that the OP stuff was overpriced but we would like a line more capable then pocket operators. it will take them time to get it right and perfect a price to quality ratio that doesn't make everyone on the internet cry.
Be the first to open it up and show us the guts!
Thinking about it 😉
OPEN IT. Do it NOW. Then use duct tape. It solves everything.
YES
😂😂aye, you know you want to open it. We can watch you open it. Do it for youtube 😂👍🏾
Imgur pics someones opened and fixed
It was from a Reddit thread on the slider issue. I can't seem to share the imagur pics here but he said it was easy
No way
Can you send me a link please?!
HOW DID YOU BREAK IT!!
So it worked after you unboxed it, then suddenly it won't work anymore ?
Yea it worked for a bit yes.
Maybe a wire is loose? 🙄
Whenever I post link here it disappears
decima1musician @ gmail.com send it here
Done
Since hearing about this sampler I have got back into Koala sampler on the iPad and all is good. Thanks TE.
Uh oh... have you tried rolling back the firmware?
No but it was busted on the orginal firmware too
@@DECIMA1 Dang... let us know, I'm waiting for mine to arrive. Cheers
Bummer...i was thinking about getting one, but will pass for now. Issues like this will take a while to fix...will be months until we're able to buy a fixed revision
The comment from 256k_ just now, as well as the video he posted, seems to confirm that this issue is a result of shipping damage, not a design flaw. Both users reporting this issue are located in Canada. It will be interesting to see if users from any other region experience this same issue, or if it was limited to a single cargo shipment.
@@byronyoung6335 I think that's highly unlikely. Shipping damage that causes faders to break this quick? Design/Manufacturing Error is far more likely.
If you watch 256k_’s unboxing video, you can see right at about 2:50 there are two black marks from where the slider and top left pot were compressed against the inside of the box. When he opens the lid, you can see that those two black impressions line up exactly. I'm not an expert, and am also concerned if this is the only reason they're not working (makes me wonder about the design/construction just like you), but in at lease this case, that slider post was definitely crunched before the box was even opened.@@patrickbateman7444
disappointing , hopefully the part is not to hard to get
Sounds like people are breaking it by pushing too hard on the fader cap when installing. I've had no issue with mine at all
I am worried about build quality at the price point. I’d paid double if I knew quality was more solid…
Think TE when too far in opposite pricing…
If this was Elektron grade durability, and same workflow, I’d pay triple really
You don't need to "pay double" for kit with the same/better specs. Get a Sonicware Smpltrek or a Roland SP404mkII or a Novation Circuit Rhythm or even a Sonicware Liven Lofi-12.
@@dinogoldie9716 I’ve tried two of those and they never clicked… I also prefer TE and Elektron workflows
Did youtry a factory reset ? It should have one
Yup, I mention that in the video
I have the same problem .
Did you have to use much force to get cap onto slider?
Et cetera, not “eX etera”. T, not X. Remember, no X in et cetera.
English is my second lang fam 😆
@@DECIMA1 It’s not an English word fam.
What?! It is latin or some shit
😂@@deepseadiver8191
Don't open it yet....save the warranty for people who may get one in the future!
Exactly why I refuse to buy tech at release
Good reason to purchase extra warranty.
Why would you need to get an extended warranty if you just purchased it?
If something like this happens after you've had it for a while?
@@DECIMA1 - right and that's usually after a year or two...especially for something that's not wear-n-tear related!
I can email pics etc
decima1musician@gmail.com please
Lol, heard from others already
I wish I had seen this two hours ago when I unboxed mine...now I have to return my unit. What a terrible design.
Same here
Hmmm...if the slider is set up as a "soft" control, my bet is on the software being the culprit. This sort of fail could also be hardware, but faders don't just "die" without a bunch of glitchy crud preceding the inevitable.
Hilarious, though. And very TE. Style over substance never works out well when the "stylish" aspects outweigh things like, oh, durability, functionality, practicality...those silly, nitpicky things like that.
Let's face it: Teenage Engineering got ONE thing right, that being the original OP-1. Everything we've seen since has either been based directly on it, or it's some sort of nonsense...such as their "modular" or the IKEA Chorus-things. And now, they put out something that looks like Elektron by way of Bang & Olufsen that...ok, I saw the first clip on it about an hour ago. Now this is the very next one I've encountered...and lo and behold, it's about component failure.
NOT GOOD.
Even the original OP-1 has its problems. Faulty batteries, sluggish/sticky buttons, broken power button, oversensitive power button often result from a broken/faulty connector board which could turn off your device just by slightly moving the OP-1 or nudging the power button, random factory resets. These were just a few problems that some people had to go through with the OP-1, me being one of them, and Teenage Engineering's support were super slow, barely helped out, we're even located in the same country so shipments took like 1 day, but actually getting to the point where anything was shipped took about 14 days, and this went on for about 2-3 months. I had bought an OP-1, had a few problems, had to deal with their support, send it in, got it back, same problem again, and this went on for about 5 times. Luckily my OP-1 worked after that, but it is insane how dogshit their quality assurance is
Yet, I ordered this sampler impulsively...
@@cjak4682 I look at things like this as follows:
I have a Kawai K3. It's the second one I've had. These are very much creatures of the mid-1980s, so we'll say it's around 40 years old.
It works perfectly. So did the first one, which I (stupidly) sold then realized how useful it was for live work. They're built like a brick s**thouse, the sound engine (think PPG minus the wavetable scanning) is bulletproof... basically, it works now like it did out of the box brand new.
And this was actually more indicative of synths of that time. But NOW...yeeeesh...QC seems to just be a couple of letters in the alphabet.
Worse still is that peoples' chances to have that "nailed it out of the box" excitement seemingly lessens each NAMM cycle. And that's sad, really. Yeah, you can still have that rush...latest go-round for me with that was when my Sonicware Texture Lab showed up a couple of months ago...but it feels more difficult to get that magic experience.
But as for customer service? Given what some of TE's devices go for, it's sort of alarming that support is that spotty. And that's an even bigger red flag, since devices like the OP1 don't have anywhere near the degree of serviceability that my tech (who fixed my Brüel and Kjær filterbank without the schematic!) would want to deal with.
It's ultimately kind of sad. The OP1's interface is such a design success, but everything since then has either been style over substance (the modulars, the widget choir, etc) or sort of arcane (OP-Z comes to mind) to a point where it just doesn't make sense anymore. Are these musical instruments or postmodern tchochkies?
I like the portability of the OP1, also...but it's possible to have that in other instruments, too. I got an Argon8 a few years back. It's heavy, mainly due to the steel case, but at the overall size of a Roland SH101 plus a little extra, it slaps. It slaps HARD. There's a lot of power in that thing, but where size is concerned, it works nicely for live gigging PLUS it's got raw power in spades. Sucks about what's been going on with Modal this past year, as I feel as if they were trying to push the envelope in "portable" synths to new territories.
Seriously, tho...the Texture Lab is one of the best "raw power" synths in a hot minute. Check into it; for $250 with tax, nothing even comes close. Plus its granular engine is off the chain...samples, messes with samples, messes with inputted audio LIVE, freezes inputted audio, and on and on. Even after a couple months, I still feel as if I'm scratching the surface on it!
Baffling that they didn't add more memory to this.
It's more than it seems. A bigger issue is that there seems to be a universal mechanical issue.
I like this limitation as it forces you to be creative with every sound coming in finish your track or idea. Some of the greatest songs were born on machines with only seconds of sample memory.
@@angelfmusic That's true, and restrictions do trigger creative solutions, but an sd card slot to save things wouldn't have hurt.
OP-Z is also bad design
Horrible design...I had the warp issue as well as the on/off switch cracking issue. At least TE was nice about replacing parts...I suppose they have to deal with this a lot.
@DECIMA1 Open it up ... OFF CAMERA / UNPUBLISHED... but still recording. Be very careful NOT to strip out / damage the head of the screws and, if you can fix the slider issue, publish the video and whatever process that you used. If you cannot fix it, return the unit. I get mine Tue and I will be sure to be very careful. If you can fix it, list the part number please and using your "electronics" experience, and provide 2 or 3 businesses we can source this part from both in Canada and the USA. It's important from your own standpoint and conviction that you open this up. You said it yourself, you want to help as many people as you can. Here is your chance to do just that.
I completely expected this from TE once again. Disappointed
Bro i dont know how youtube monies work but if you're the first one posting a video of it's guts i think youre gonna get some views. Now lets see whats inside.
The screw driver is getting closer and closer
not good :-/
TE have terrible build quality
299 bucks for a reason.
II was thinking if the pads will bug out over time.
@@thegroove2000 if they do they should be easy enough to replace since they're mechanical keyboard switches lol
Kool.@@FayezButts
@@FayezButtsthey have pressure and velocity sensors underneath though. Not standard mechanical switches either