Knuckle Dusters: Underrated or Overdesigned?
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"Brass knuckles" are banned in many countries, and apparently they have even scared lawmakers in many American states...
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Obviously the main reason they are regarded with suspicion is their association with gangsters and thugs. But how dangerous are they really as a weapon, or how useful are they as self-defense tools? Some people view them as gimmicky and useless. But is the problem simply that they are not shaped right? Let's talk about it!
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ah skall is now doing asmr i see
Bro chill on the fitness, your making the rest of us look bad!
We see those hands bro... 👀
Hoodie
+2 stealth
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why dont you try beveling the front of the wooden duster into a curved or even sharp edge?
In my humble opinion knuckle guard is very good provided that it has a sabre on one side.
What about a trench knife?
Basket hilt?
I’m sure he’s done it, but I’d like to hear a discussion of naval style cutlasses, with the basket/bell hilts.
Surprise pommel is my favourite
@@Marky-Mark1337 These I like! They have a history, which I appreciate (note: I am German, so yeah WW1 is something we remember well - not as well as WW2, but still!) and they are practical, too!
According to my local law i can open carry a loaded shotgun as long as the mag can hold no more than 5 rounds but i cnt carry Brass knuckles or switchblade knives and need a permit for pepper stray/ tazor .... the world we live in xD
Clearly the primary attribute required to become a lawmaker is a highly rational analytical mind equipped with remarkable common sense. /s
I can conceal a handgun with no permit whatsoever.
BUT IF I HAVE A BLADE LONGER THAN 3 INCHES AND TRY TO HIDE IT THAT'S JAIL TIME.
Edit: I could, however, open carry a full size Zweihander with no consequence aside from making people uncomfortable.
@@senounatsuru6453 They're down to 2 inches in my area where people will occasionally do protest walks through cities near schools and guns don't have consequences
Firearms have a great deal more legislative influence than sensible tools or public needs.
you canadian?
my homeland is such a funny country to me. instead of making a genuine effort in making a safer society where people wouldn't have to carry these things to feel prepared, we pass silly little laws like this that are so easy to get around.
This is why I love this channel. There's something about watching a soft spoken, mild mannered, kind looking, intelligent weapons enthusiast punch skull analogues with blunt force weapons until their bones shatter like glass... It's just so peaceful, like comfort food.
So nice to have a weapons RUclipsr who's just a normal humble unassuming guy who likes weapons. Shad and Metatron have both gone off the deep end.
@@willowmoon7gone off? Meh, always has been. It’s just gone worse in the past few years
@willowmoon7 I don't disagree, but I'm curious what your gripe is with Shad?
@@shadowangel2375 many reasons, but his pro-AI stance and queerphobic rhetoric are two big ones
@@shadowangel2375 Shad is extremely obsessed with stupid anti-katana dogwhistle. I dropped him when he went to that "I make Katana BETTER" by adding a cross hilt. Screw that guy.
You're really out here playing minecraft in real life, punching trees for wood.
Still have to work on the technique though... can't pop out chunks of it yet that leave the rest of the tree suspended in the air.
@@Skallagrim Skill issue
@@justjoe5373 Still more than I can do. Least with my left hand , thank you very much random terrorist #2347
@@Skallagrim I've had that problem once with a saw. I took a couple of metres out of the bottom of the tree and the rest of it stayed up there, waiting for someone to go where it could fall on them. I had to use another dead tree as a lever to pry that dead tree out of the branches of the living tree that had caught it.
It's not so bad when the tree's small enough to get your hands round, but there's a fallen willow that's stuck its branches into the ground and resumed growing right across the path and it must have a 125 cm girth four metres above the path and I just don't fancy trying to deal with that one at all.
@@Sableagle Damn, you two are on one heck of a Minecraft-off
You actually have pretty good punching form and I think it’s cool that you can actually do handiwork. Cool design and good video on a more optimal duster.
Thanks!
@@SkallagrimHow long have you been crafting?
No response, classic Skallagrim moment.
@@TwistedFireX In all fairness, thats simply how it goes in the comment section, much like forums that are too busy to read every thread and topic, your presence on it, is momentarily.
I'm not calling you out or anything (I am somewhat, but in good faith), can relate, you got a response, but not a conversation, they dont happen here sadly.
If you'd meet him in the passing, Im sure he'd be happy to talk with you, like he would to most of his subscribers, or any decent person willing to converse based on good faith.
Skallagrim's reality is that he has a life like all of us, that keeps us busy for the largest degree, but the difference is: His notifaction list is unreadable like a companies 'general' mailbox, when he engages take it as a "oh I see you" moment. That really is all we can ask for as audience, thats the grim reality of being audience, like interacting with a mime trapped in a glass cube. But thats not by choice, thats the outcome.
You might view me as a mere detractor, the most prominent kind of conversation here in comment sections, and that is also largely, why no conversation exists here.
If you'd email him, you might get a reply every time, just might take a long time.
People rarely go back to the video of days ago, let alone to check out the comment section, expecting your favourite content creator to do so is unrealistic, sadly.
Bandwidth in terms of means of interacting is low, especially on a place like youtube.
Try and picture it like this: If your phone rings the entire day, how long before you stop picking up every call?
@@TwistedFireX You (crying): "Notice me, senpai!"
Have some dignity, man!
Most of the traditional knuckle duster designs are uncomfortable because they're tiny flea market crap. I think it's a cost reduction thing. Designs like those found during WWI and with late 19th to early 20th century police are way better. I've got several pairs of knucks from East Coast Knuckles. People that down play the effectiveness forget that most materials are much harder than your hand. Not too mention all the force is concentrated into a much smaller surface area. Now you've got me thinking about making a D shaped duster out of hickory.
I was about to post something very similar. One of the chief advantages of the "classic" design that he shows here is that when made of actual metal the studs/spikes concentrate a lot of force. Given that it's metal and metal is hard ... that is not a good day for you. One thing that is very well demonstrated is that the design allows you to do "jabs" (relatively light punches) that do a lot of damage relative to effort. Which is one of the big reasons trench knives became a thing. Punch and stab in one compact package!
I think plywood is better, because of the varied grain direction, even hickory would be at a great disadvantage with the grain direction, making it liable to snap if you hit wrong, unless you make it very bulky. A hickey striking plate could work though 🤔
@@brendandor Watched a video about a wooden cup called a Noggin, what if you made the D shape knuckle guard out of said Knot burl?
@@brendandor I've never thought about trying to make light brass style knuckles! Now I'm thinking titanium jabs!
I got to mess with an old knuckle duster from the late 1800s, one thing I noticed is the finger holes were straight across, and the palm stop was really comfortable. I could hold it without changing the way I punch. They really do make them worse nowadays.
Gotta love watching one of the most chill people on this platform nonchalantly breaking an imitation skull and punching down a rotted tree for edutainment purposes.
This channel has always been and continues to be freakin rad!
Punch trees for survival lmao
@@RobotronSage When this world becomes Minecraft, homeboy is gonna be ready to THRIVE
The way tou said "this is just for entertainment" got me 😂 you sounded like some old grandpa telling his grandchildren something for 1000nd time
His name is tou😮
If you're not training your fists, punching someone in the face can break your hand. Hence tape, gloves, or better knuckle duster.
Even people who train their fists can easily break their hands from punching too hard. Hands aren't the most durable.
Especially when they try punching the head. People tend to forget our skulls are a dense boi to protect our brains.
I'm told that's part of the reason why old-school boxers are usually pictured with that arms-down guard stance, it's a gamble to swing at the head that's definitely harder than your fists, so since no one will swing for the head or below the belt you only have to block your torso.
@@Lucky-bg1di Yeah, the only mildly soft parts are the nose, temples and eyes. which are quite tiny thus easy to miss if not sucker punching. The jaws and teeth are still pretty dang hard.
Best way not to break your hand is a hammer fist strike instead of the knuckles, but still.
You're gonna hurt yourself worse if you dont train punching and use those things thinking you're safe. Seen plenty of people break hands and wrist even with those safety measures.
The legal angle and the accessibility are the reason in my teen-age, provincial town, everybody started to carry as "keychain" some massive sailing karabiner. Perfectly legal, safe and efficient knuckle dusters. (I can't recall anyone actually using one of those, it was just to pretend to be tough guys)
if enough people started carrying them around to word it as "everybody", it might've been that the karabiners had done their job of dissuading minor conflicts. fist fights are one thing, a sufficiently big enough piece of metal is another, even if you also carried one you really do not want to get hit seriously with one, on any part of your body
I remember asking Skall about using a knuckle duster as a buckler or sword catching device like a shuko. Yeah, not ideal, lol.
But a buckler would make for a decent knuckle duster.
@@Notmyname1593 the legendary knuckle buckler
@@lewisse_8966perhaps a buckle duster
@@lewisse_8966the knuckle buckle
In the shuko it is the claws in the palm side of the hand that protects against swordcuts
At 7:56 I know your not a professional but I’d say after being in martial arts for over a decade your punches are pretty good for a under trained person, their quick hit with force and efficient and well placed. Secondly your first punch on the tree the crouch down and spring up ( that’s at least what I like to call it) was probably the most impressive
*You're not a professional
@@dfgdfg_ oh… alright thank you for the spelling and grammar check. I still find it funny that I enjoy writing and I still make mistakes like that.
@@primitivescott6712- I've done that, also. Spell check doesn't always catch it when you use the wrong word.
I’ve found that the traditional brass ones work better when hitting a target with a knocking motion as opposed to a jab or punch. It’s not the best way to hit, but it is intuitive for an untrained or panicked person. Basically align the second knuckles in the center of the finger holes and the palm rest on the base of the thumb, then take a wide swing like knocking on a door. I think that the untrained or panicked person is actually the intended use case, as these were (if I’m not mistaken) were issued to troops in WWI as a last resort trench fighting weapon. Not meant as lethal per-se, but meant to give an edge in a pinch
But this is exactly how brass knuckles are meant to be used. It should be placed against the middle knuckles of the fingers, rather than pushing the fingers all the way through. And the blows are delivered as you described, like a cat paw or a knock on the door, as well as hooks,or using a hammer fist strikes or the butt from the side of index finger. There is enough information about this, articles and videos explaining how to use it correctly, but people continue to make fun of this weapon.
Something that would be nice is the full type of cestus like the one in the manga,CAESTUS,the one that covers the entire forearms and truly empowers the fist.
every weapon is also a restriction/limitation...everything has a downside
the human hand is the most versatile weapon possible add a knife and movements get limited to certain swings and shapes...grabbing catching and pushing and twisting all get limited
@@kazzxtrismuslol OK buddy
@@kazzxtrismusarmored claw gloves for everyone!
I have some of them, and just like with trench knives, having holes for each finger makes it more unconfortable and slow you if you have to grab it quickly.
The one you use in this video is the best design.
❤ absolutely agree❤
I wonder if he got the idea from reviewing the Hawaiian weapon. They have a knuckle duster that's identical... Sometimes with shark teeth😨😱
Right, I totally forgot to mention the issue that the fingerholes make it slower to grab.
With traditional design brass knuckles the force of the punch is concentrated into a much smaller area than with the one that he is using, so the actual impact onto the bad guys jaw will be much more damaging with them. The design for traditional brassies has been worked on for a long time and there is a reason that they are shaped as they are.
They are a ridiculously effective self defence weapon. Or offence if that’s your thing.
Fun fact regarding physics and combat of shock absorbtion.
There is a theory that humans, one of three apes, evolved the ability have such mobile wrists in order to apply more force while limiting the amount of shock on the arm when wielding a club.
Makes sense. Hundreds of thousands of years practicing how to swing a stick better, and we're still stubborn to the point of wanting to use the less effective method of punching.
Throwing weapons would also benefit from a better wrist, both in combat and in hunting.
This makes a lot more sense than that "human hands evolved to make fists for punching" study a while back.
The evolved difference we have over the other apes was driven by an increasing need for the hand to be more dextrous, this extra dexterity enabled us to manipulate and exploit the environment more effectively and efficiently... But if man and ape went at it with clubs, my money wouldn't be on the home team
I was taught to place them on the first knuckle, place the rear into ur palm and try to push it into the sky. Then to prevent finger breakage, your fist is now used as a pick with wide and arching swings. Jabs and straights could turn the tool preventing you from maintaining your grip. I was told early boxers designed this way of use so they could fight outside the ring without injuring their hands. Old people stories.
Your punching form was actually solid, so no worries there Skal.
There used to be a weapon sold, that doubled up as an ice scraper for windscreens. It had a similar design to the duster in the video, but with a plastic blade.
With a few cosmetic changes, the duster in the video could double up as a handle to help you carry multiple plastic bags full of shopping, in comfort......Perhaps a couple of metal hooks screwed in the front, to hang the bags on.....Which would also cause damage if you 'accidentally' hit someone 😊
I will try to CAD something up, ice scraper, grocery bag holder (I'm not fond of the hooks, if I need to ... ah hem "carry groceries" that hard I'll use a 9mm "shopping cart", but to each their own, but I think a hole through the handle could have it triple as a emergency fishing rod ..... or with steaks and rope multiple ones could be a makeshift lever (given the right filament, which I don't have)
Hell the hole is already the shape of a protractor
Jesus this is genius man, I wonder if these would sell .... with a bit more complications you could have a plumb (or force multiplier in a pinch) and level.
I forsee navigational uses that I cannot predict with a protractor/plumb/level with a sight hole.
If I actually get to this I'll drop you a link to the code
The metals hooks are simply too vicious 😂
If concealing is an issue, just drill a hole in the middle, and now it's a handle for cable machines, you didn't like the ones at the gym so you made your own 😇
@@Metayoii 😄 That's an idea. I'll have a think on it.
@@abstractapproach634 Some good ideas, there. That made me think of something else that's commercially available and similar....Kite line handles for stunt kites. They've just got a hole in, too. A more 'robust' version could be made......
@@jeffreybarton1297There are multiple types of innocuous toys and sports items with similar handle shapes, including some skipping ropes rubber band trainers and small toy kites . Then there's sticks for picking up litter and spare WC pull handles .
This was a really cool design for knuckle dusters! The tests really demonstrate how much damage that they could do.
People underestimate wooded weapons. I see your version as more practical and less likely to harm the wielder. Any weapon that has a high risk of breaking the hand (and disabling it) won’t be able to be used more than once or twice. Thus, the person using it had better hope they can get an ideal hit in before their hand becomes ineffective.
Ironically Icy Mike came to a similar conclusion on brass knuckles. That big looping knock out punches hurt you alot, but faster punches like light jabs do alot of superficial cutting and obviously can break teeth, nose, etc.
You have absolutely the best video ideas! As a person who punches stuff as a hobby, this was fascinating for me.
I think the main advantage of brass knuckles over other fistloads/brawling aids is concealability. It's easy to hide on your person, and it's not all that obvious at a glance that you're using them.
Also, I was having flashbacks to the Knuckle Dusters from EverQuest (which look absolutely nothing like actual knuckle dusters).
But... If you make a "D" shaped knuckle duster like Skall, you can beat people with your "D". LOL
I think the wood knuckle duster would see a bit of improvement if the front were slightly triangular so that it ended in a “point”. Fun video.
Your Knuckle Duster design is really good. It’s reminiscent of the traditional Japanese or Okinawan Kobudo Knuckles. Very nice good design 🙏🏼
Skall, please review 'The Liver Punch' - yes the actual blow to the liver seen all across all forms of pugilism lol
And then add it to your arsenal. Liver shot is one of the leading causes of knockouts from seemingly light blows to the head - turns the next punch into a punch you don't see and can't prepare for... And, then see if you can find anything on the liver shot in old pugilism manuals if any exist :D
5:37 nothing quite like the sound of a pulverised zygomatic arch.
It’s like Rice Krispies from hell.
I like the design you made, man. Great video as always
Thanks!
@@Skallagrim You're very welcome, man.
skall, after following you for so many years I forgot how long I'm really happy to say that your editing has improved considerably.
I remember that you were concerned because people think that you were too ramble-y, while I personally don't mind it, it's cool to see that the editing now has been snappy and crisp
keep up the good work man
50 years ago I put a small C-clamp together with a short section of pipe and had a very nice, very legal, hand protection device. Great video!
I think the greatest thing about knuckle dusters is mass. Just increasing the inertia in a punch is already such a big buff.
their weight is a very minor benefit vs the weight of your arm and knowing how to punch properly
better off with weighted wrist bands for training and eating more steaks for the weight gains
Not to be a desk physicist but faster objects will have more kinetic energy than more massive objects by an exponential degree.
@@Pacemaker_fgc this is not true.
Adding a little extra zip to your zap
@@vyor8837depends on the math. Everything could have the same inertia. How the energy is imparted depends on the objects.
It might cut/ pass through, smash or harmlessly deform.
No arguments here, increase mass or density inertia is the same.
Never mind surface are. I hate math
Actually, taking the Indian Katar even further, you could have the leading edge be tapered like you suggested, but also pointy so that it comes to a point in all 4 directions. Effectively a bit like a broad pyramid. It doesn't have to be particularly long (like a real katar) but even if it came to a point 1 or 2" from the leading edge of your hand, it would create a pressure point that would be extremely painful with a very light punch.
Not that I'm advocating this of course, just, like, for my role playing games, for entertainment purposes only.
Loved the video, Skal! Great job as always! I clicked on it as soon as I saw it.
Best video and showmanship in some time, great job mate.
It's hard to doubt the efficacy of knuckleduster. It's a fairly straight-forward concept. Its efficacy as a weapon is one aspect but its discrete nature just as much. It's a rogue's weapon, one you can slip on quietly without bringing attention to yourself.
Looking at the US legality map was interesting. I'm curious about the "with permit" states. I imagine most of those are bundled with Self Defense or Concealed Carry permits of some sort: maybe gun, maybe "from this list of things other than guns". But are there any states with a specific knuckle duster permit?
As far as Colorado is concerned, the only weapon you can legally conceal is a handgun. It's interesting how specific laws have to be to eliminate loopholes whilst backing themselves into awkward corners where weirdly specific things are prohibited. I'd bet there are some wild certifications out there, and I'd love to have some nonsense permit for carrying spoons or something as a reference to show people how ridiculous laws can end up when being put into practice.
In Kentucky, you can basically carry anything. Gun. Knife. Sword.
@@kevinfogle7929 Colorado is an open carry state, if your weapon is visible from three sides of your body you can carry whatever. Knife, sword, handgun, long gun dealer’s choice. I think the funny thing is you have to have a permit to hide your weapon, and the only available permit is for a handgun, so you can legally conceal a firearm in places where some pocket knives are prohibited.
In the People's Republic of Illinois, I was told my CCW covered switchblades and stelletos. I want to double check before buying one though.
@@babbiification so holster the knife lol
Great Video my man, I've watched you for years and you are looking good and the videos are always great keep it up Skal
Thanks for the video. I am currently playing a D&D campaign where my main weapon is a pair of knuckle dusters.
here in $hile (southamerica) retractable batons, and sticks are the most common weapons, knuckle dusters (manoplas in here) are an easy way to block them, i even saw a guy block a machete with one! and if you bring the fight close and personal you have a very good change of winning, on the downside if you fight against someone with a knife or a bottle, your best shot is throw it and ran away, great video!
As someone who doesn't live in the Americas let alone Chile, I have to ask - how common are fights/assaults over there for this to be such a concern?
@@Neion8 Very.
A tactical whip is a good defense against a knife, Sharpe object attack. Tactical whips give you the ability to strike at a distance and fast strikes. Getting in several strikes in seconds
Ideas:
Put a bit of metal on the front of the hitting part, to maximize hardness and minimize cross section.
Put some sort of cushion between the knuckles and the striking end, to allow some of the force to travel down the hand instead of through the palm. Not sure if this would help, but it'd be worth trying.
Attack a blade to it above the thumb, 90 degree angle. Length, I dunno, 3 to 36 inches.
I wouldnt add a blade ANYWHERE to one of these cause in a fight your hand could easily be manipulated to hurt yourself either by your own error or by your opponent. Plus that would be a legal nightmare, but that doesnt always stop people I suppose
@@deaglan6641That last one was a joke about making it into a sword.
@@robertlewis6915 fuck
I made a knuckle duster of bamboo… it’s amazing what you can build with a vice, clamp, jigsaw, drill press & table mounted belt sander.
Anyway, bamboo is light, strong & very easy to work with. Focus on the principle of concealment & extending a palm strike. If you put anything in your hand & hit someone with it, you just upped your charges…
One of the biggest misconceptions about knuckle dusters or brass knuckles is that people think you could hurt your hands easily.
If you know how to direct energy precisely in a punch or swing, angle your fist with the right grip, then finally exert enough inertia to the delivered target. You can control the punch, angle, and do it precisely and effectively without hurting your hand or wrist.
Hey skallagrim, apparently knuckle dusters (despite movie appearances) are meant to be worn on the 2nd knuckle instead of the 3rd and punching using a sword of "tiger claw" fist. It transfers the energy in a way that you can hit much harder and not risk breaking the hand
I've heard this too but I do wonder if this was the original technique or an alternative technique that was developed after to address some issues with the knuckle duster design.
@@dtester The same technique exist in ancient India and China using actual "tiger claw" knuckles. So it's just modern knuckle duster being weird AF.
@@dtester It's the original technique, strangely enough there's actually an old looney toons cartoon showing a character wearing them correctly.
@@dtester Considering the oldest knuckle dusters that are recognized as purpose-made thug weapons are 18th century metal loops in British museums. It likely is an adaptation to the new shape, based on what wannabe gansters saw Indian and Chinese criminals doing with their own version of the weapon.
How and why the metal loop turned into four holes "classic" is another question altogether.
Yes, you can see the difference in the video, where I demonstrate both the correct and the wrong way to hold them.
Wasn't expecting the ASMR with the ballistic head It could be some new content on your channel
That head sounds nothing like Bob Ross.
I think you look in better shape already, mind & body :) and you're videos are getting really good again, hope you keep going at it
great vid. i had to laugh a bit when you were punching the second tree and the camera focus made it it look like the tree next to you in the background is watching you suspiciously :D
I don't think your punching form was bad. Your jabs seemed good enough, especially for someone who doesn't practice unarmed fighting regularly. I really liked when you threw two jabs and then had this abrupt rhythm disruption like you wanted to throw the cross. Boxing's fun, man. :)
Might not be in your best shape, but doing well on that front, at least visually.
On the case of dusters, a cane would work better, but carrying is less comfortable, unless you do need the cane.
Side benefit you can carry a sword in the cane...or rig it to be a gun if laws and or desire allow.
I carry a walking stick. Its always legal and people dont question me atleast. Metal tipped would make it even better and its something i am working towards.
The cane can block an incoming tire iron, which dusters can't do. And the reach advantage is significant
@@stevenscott2136 Not to mention the most important benefit that knuckle dusters could never match; the right cane can make you look fancy as hell on the daily. Especially if paired with a suit and top hat - though that might be a bit much to wear in a McDonalds. It's all well and good to carry a weapon for the one-in-a-million chance that something bad happens that you can respond to, but if it's useless normally then it's useless the other 999,999 times.
To that end, I would say a sturdy umbrella with a metal tip is probably the best choice not only can you bash, stab, parry and unless you live in a desert it'd be an easy sell for your lawyer to cast as a makeshift weapon used in a moment of desperation as long as you haven't obviously modify it to be more lethal (e.g. sharpened the tip), but you can also use it to prevent yourself getting soaked on a rainy day.
Cold Steel makes some polypenco canes...same material as many riot batons. Very tough...
I love the way you do ads, quite metal!
Dude! You’re already looking healthier! Great work, inspiring
Even with all the padding, bare knuckle boxers get way less fractures than padded boxers. Its all about the power you out into the punch and padding encourages recklessness. Not to mention how concussions are more permanen and debilitating than superficial tissue damage. All things considered and despite being bloodier, bare knuckle boxing is safer and I consider head rocking, floor-eating knock outs to look more gruesome than some skin tears & blood.
Yes, and also the more powerful punches with larges gloves in boxing increase the risk of concussions (i.e. brain damage) significantly.
@@Skallagrim True, because of the added mass
"I can remove his teeth-"...."just cosmetic damage"
As a human who needs teeth to chew food id say thats a little more than cosmetic, but in the context of reusing the head for other tests I'll allow it
i do enjoy and apprishiate the time and effort you put into each of your videos to educate us about weapons usefullness and weaknesses
Great video. I really enjoyed watching
From what I heard it’s banned due to people not realizing how much more lethal it makes them
I'm sure they were banned because they had tons of casualties for an easily hidden weapon, pretty much like gravity knives.
@@fordesponjaGravity knives kinda suck for fighting though.
@@Aliyah_666Some gravity knives and most butterfly knives lock open to remove that weakness .
@@fordesponjai believe gravity knives are mostly banned because A: they seem scary and B: idiots will hurt themselves with them.
@@johndododoe1411as a weapon: butterfly knives are only good as weapons if they are double edged as it's really the only advantage it has over normal opening knives. Butterfly knives take more dexterity to open than normal knives (something you may lose or mess up in a high stakes scenario) and have no speed advantage (unless you're super skilled: they're almost always slower). It's very hard to get faster than pressing your thumb upwards against a thumbstud or opening hole on a knife with a semi decent decent detent. The only thing that's quicker and easier I can think of would be the emerson wave but very few knives have that.
I remember from somewhere (though I genuinely have no idea where at this point) that knuckle dusters evolved out of links of anchor chain, then later became bent strips of metal for ease of manufacture if you weren't in a port. I genuinely don't know who came up with the 'traditional design' that got banned, they certainly look better than a poorly bent loop of steel bar though.
Looks better performs worse arguably.
I think the "classic" duster design came from the 1918 US army trench knife.
They were trying all kinds of things in the trench raids, where fighting frequently went extremely close. The idea was to protect the knife-hand and make for a more secure grip when you were covered with slippery blood and mud.
The purpose-built dusters bulked up the rods between fingers, to stand up to the strain of being used to actually punch hard, thus making the things uncomfortable.
Some sources claim the best trench weapon was actually the small shovels they were issued... clubs of various sorts were also popular. The pump-action shotgun was the only weapon so effective the enemy made a formal protest about it, though.
I find it interesting how the design we're talking about here is effectively just a handle, not too different from some door or gate handles, ideally with a wedge on the opposite side so it effectively acts as a tool for...let's just say "picking" at solid and squishy materials.
I could definitely see that design with a wedge/taper to it effectively making cuts in a lot of different materials, and it would make fracturing a lot easier.
It's interesting because it wouldn't necessarily be a "stabbing" weapon but more akin to something serrated, meant to cause more lacerations, with the added bonus of focusing pressure on bone.
Loving the jacket paired with the hat for the topic of knuckledusters. Very on theme.
Not only are those Oaken Knuckles effective being a hardwood, they also look quite good with that stain you used. No reason why a weapon or tool can't look good as well as be functional.
FWIW, the way I was taught about knuckle dusters is that you have to punch differently with them. You don't put your fingers all the way in, but you want your 2nd knuckles to be even with the holes. You use the duster for the structure against your palm to transmit the force through the knucks, so your hand shouldn't be taking much shock anywhere but the fleshy heel. The closed, tight fist that you would use for normal punching isn't the way to go, instead pretend you are doing a kung fu movie throat strike or something.
Yeah you're supposed to hold them the way you describe and kinda whip your arm instead of punching
Yup, that's how I was demonstrating it too.
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I live in one of those states where they are legal to carry and conceal and I can say that it is my everyday carry. I haven't had to carry a firearm in quite a while because the knuckle dusters that I have covered the "I need to do lethal force potentially" base without putting me in the situation where I could be responsible for someone getting shot. I put a parachord wrap around mine because I found that put them into a more comfortable position when I hold them, and forced me into a grip that didn't break my finger when I tested them on something hard.
That design is pretty much a blunt salad chopper. The first time I saw a salad chopper I thought "This might make a gnarly melee weapon." Might be an interesting video actually, see if it has any use in that respect. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they're banned in Canada lol.
Is "salad chopper" a synonym for a mezzaluna knife? The curved blades with handles on either sides?
There's an Alaskan/Eskimo design called ulu that looks a lot like it too
@@jurtheorc8117It's quite a literal term. Blunt Ceramic or plastic choppers are quite popular with Chefs because lettuce isn't that tough and the non metallic edge means the lettuce won't oxidize and turn that nasty brown after a few minutes.
And the ceramic ones are definitely good improvised weapons.
I feel that knuckle dusters are just inferior to some sort of baton.
There's lots of ways improper usage (Or design) of knuckle dusters can cause more injury to the user than the target. Meanwhile, you don't even get a reach advantage which is one of the more important aspects of weapons, especially for defence. Keep the mean person as far away as possible = you're safer.
Yeah even back when they were used i think it was mainly gangsters sucker punching someone or such beatings just like the small essentially leather pouches filled with some metal (often coins if i remember correctly) they used as short beating implements basicly just something that fits in pocket when ypu beat someone up. For self defence theres so many more items that work better. Knuckleduster mainly is just cool looking
@@SashraanMusic These days, there's options for telescopic batons allowing them to fit in a pocket, but when used extend into something longer.
Thus, undermining the point about concealability/portability.
As for training... It doesn't take a lot of training to figure out how to bash someone with a stick.
There's just no real advantage for a knuckle duster over other (Often more legal) alternatives.
If someone wants to do some crime, knives offer more lethality.
If someone wants something for self defence, batons are safer, easier to use and more effective.
If it comes down to extreme levels of concealability... Makeshift weapons are just better (Like a roll of coins or holding a key in your fist)
Please DON'T try that thing where you put keys between your fingers like half-a$$ Wolverine claws. I saw a guy tear up his hand just showing a girl how to do it.
If forced to use a key, hold it against your thumb and sort of slash with the tip. Extreme last-resort, because you're going to make ugly, lawyer-friendly marks on his face, while having almost zero stopping power.
@@stevenscott2136 That dude probably was doing it wrong.
A single key between your fingers in a fist creates a potentially lethal weapon if you can punch somewhere vulnerable like the neck.
Brass knuckles are a ridiculously effective self defence weapon. One shot situation enders. Problem is that there are so many shit ones on the market and people also don’t know to either size them properly or use them properly. As well as a massive force enhancer and force concentrator, a proper pair gives protection with the force of the blow bypassing the metacarpal bones in the hand straight to the forearm.
Looking good Skallagrim your hard work has been paying off!
Great vid! The one he made reminds me of the Okinawan Tekko
Minecraft punching down trees!
I’ve heard it said that the duster’s are not really for punching head on, but raking the spikes across the face.
That may be true for spiked knuckles, but is not true generally of knuckle dusters.
A proper made-for-purpose metal knuckle duster has a comparatively wide handle and a tapered front bar almost like a blade but without an edge. It is designed to concentrate the force of your punch down as small as possible while retaining rigidity. The odd shapes of the handle end are to add weight to add force. The metal being harder than bone means you are more likely to break their bones than yours when you punch them.
So Skall there's this cooking tool called bear claws aka bbq claws aka meat claws which are basically just a handle with knives attached to them. For some reason owning and carrying around a pair of those is perfectly legal. Those things can easily shred though large game so they would easily tear through a human.
Looking good skall, keep it up mate.
You can just use a large padlock. It only gives you one knuckle loop, but it'll do the trick and probably isn't illegal to carry anywhere.
If you punch something hard with traditionally designed knuckledusters that don't fit well - you will have a bad time.
I punched a bag twice and it split every webbing between my fingers and they were bleeding up a storm. NEVER AGAIN
Well yeah, that's common sense but many people are too dumb to understand that
@bloodsportscombat I wouldn't call many 13-14 year olds "smart" or full of common sense, and I was no exception
12:30 "All right, so that's what I think of Knuckles"
Meanwhile in Canada
Knuckles rubberstamps a paper then shows it to you and proclaims "It is now illegal..."
Skall pushing that cheekbone around, the asmr we never knew we needed? :P
It's pretty sad actually. Back in the good old days, very artistic knuckle dusters could be found that almost could be considered as jewelry even if they could bust your face up. Of course then you had the more eccentric ones that would have a knife and or short pistol attached to it.
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If im not mistaken, the original knuckle dusters were the stirrups (the place where you put your foot when riding a horse), and they were very much like the wooden one he showed here! But with metal and stuff, of course. Usually had a bigger loop, so you got a few extra centimeters too!
In Japan, they have the Tekken or Tekko, which I believe it means Iron fist. Usually ninjas and sometimes samurai use them from reusing horseshoes as other methods of concealed weaponry
I know you don't like having to put disclaimers about legality and stuff, but honestly I really like that you do. I like being informed about the legal stuff regarding whatever weapon that you're talking, and you're great at it.
Over here in germany, knuckle dusters are also banned.
But you can buy astonishingly big and padded carbine hooks.
also, blades of 10cm or longer are banned. technically, you
are not allowed to buy a bread knife and bring it home with you
from the shop where you got it, because you are, in most likely
cases, carrying a way too long and pointed blade in a hidden
case . .
And yes, our popo does actually pay attention to this, as i had
the misfortune of finding out, when i bought my naginata and
took it home from the shop in my hands.
Do you still have your naginata? :(
This reminds me of 30 years ago, when in elementary school a schoolmate of mine made a cast for knuckle duster and then we scavanged enough lead to melt it and pour it, cast gave up at the third pouring. They were crude, but they were something we made ourselves. There were no laws regulating them back then, but there was no one selling them around here. Not that we needed them, it was just something cool we wanted. Mine was later sacrificed when I needed to make weights for the tractor wheels.
Did you just do broken skull asmr style ? Loved it :D
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Been carrying around a black oversized carabiner style clip used for hanging keys. It’s made out of solid metal (not hollow) and it wraps perfectly around my right fist. Wrapped some textured grip tape around it and it’s surprisingly effective at punching and protecting my hand. I’ve punched chunks of wood out of dead trees without issue. It’s also just a carabiner, meaning I have carried it on a backpack into interesting places after being frisked by security all over the city of Chicago. Never been asked about it once. Been doing it for 4 years now.
Great video. I would love it if you could do a video on Blackjacks, and Saps. It would make a great complement to this video, I think. Covers the 3 basic Modern North American impact weapons. I suppose, if you add in flashlights and batons, you could call it five NA impact weapons.
Great Video man!
I once saw a man make a purse with a handle like that, yet it had sharp edges at the top and bottom of your hand. the purse was REALLY small and light and the handle was twice as big, so he didnt say this but it was obvious that you could wrap the fabric around the "grip" and be holding not only a punching weapon but you can do downward or inward strikes that would pernitrate. I kinda got the idea that he was unaware of his design though, it was TV show and he got "kicked off" I will never forget it though because it was one of the most subtle weapons I have ever seen.
I’d recommend having a long hole cut on the end you punch with to wrap leather or some form of cushion between where you put your hand and the side that would hit the knuckles to make a bit of a snug fit in order to allow you to (in theory) punch harder without hurting your hand by having a cushion against your knuckles/fingers
7:11 - I'd also recommend wrist wraps when doing these sorts of tests. It's very very easy to mess up your wrist punching something as unforgiving as a tree (dead or otherwise), or even a heavy bag.
The Indian Vajra-mushti is a good compromise : doesn’t separate the fingers, isnt metal, but horn, which is light but more flexible and resiliant than wood. It has been used in a blood sport for centuries, quite neat design.
The nice thing about Horas (The knuckle duster used in this video) is that they can be pointy and spiky if needed, just small bumps in the contact zone already greatly improves their effect :)
Relentlessly and ruthlessly practical. Joerg would be proud!
This style of 'knuckle duster' shows up historically, one of which i've seen as a museum piece that's origin was hawaii.
Also seen a gnarly one that had shark's teeth lining the knuckle bar it like obsidian shards on a macahuitl.
I'm from MI. Our knuckleduster law was put into effect as an anti-strike /anti-protest ordinance. Too many factory owners and scabs got ambushed with them in the Great Depression, so of course, those same factory owners called their Congressmen, presumably offered an appropriate bribe (an essential part of getting laws passed in America), and had blackjacks, knuckledusters, and virtually all bludgeoning weapons added to the firearm law of '31. The original intent of the law was to ban bombs, silencers, and machine guns.
Even if they were technically legal, it still wouldn't be worth it IMO. Folding knives under 3" are legal to carry in MI. But that didn't stop me from being arrested for it, held over an entire weekend, dragged into court, and then when it became clear they couldn't actually charge me with anything, they kept my knife and all the cash I had on me.
Best knuckle duster I ever saw was a homeade job, short piece of sharpened motorcycle chain wired onto half a welding gauntlet. Nasty piece.
This was a popular design in Mexico cause street thugs and hooligans used metal saddle stirrups strewn aplenty by the revolution.
And yeah the idea was to hold the thicker foot rest and hit with the much slimmer joint that often had protuberances or sharp corners.
This is so crazy, I was looking at these this morning.
We live in a simulation
That we do!
A couple people have already mentioned it but you had some pretty decent form while throwing those Jabs at the tree. It's always cool to see your branch out and talk about different kinds of weapons and give your perspectives on them. I totally agree about the standard form of Knuckles being very uncomfortable. I would probably prefer something closer to your design.
Immediately replying to my own comment, I totally immediately basically thought of an idea for like a Fantasy character who is like a druid monk but uses their derivative abilities to make fancy wooden fighting Knuckles to help them beat the dog piss out of enemies.