Michael Franzese on Being Locked Up with Menendez Brothers after They Killed Parents (Part 12)
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It bothers me so much when someone says a molesting paedophile father wasn't enough of a reason to kill him. What!? How does anyone in 2023 have such a profound lack of understanding of how deeply traumatizing sexual abuse/incest is.
They claimed abuse. They also lied a lot.
You can’t go around killing people crazy.
I know it makes my blood boil I can’t even stomach the verbal description of that level of abuse a gunshot death is a easy way out for the abuser victims they’re already psychologically dead after no wonder most turn to drugs and then suicide if only traumatic memories could be erased
@@lefthandwarlock8503peados are the exception idc what a silly abuser sympathiser like you says
@@elijahFree2000 the father's molestation wasnt fully known at the time. have a look at some of the recent info that came out on him. He was a monster
Maybe they did society a favour - he was no longer around to destroy other kids' lives.
I realize murder is wrong but child molestation is evil also.
@@judithwerner5301 maybe they should redefine 'molestation' as the word seems to imply that it is not that serious to what it really was - what it really was, was systematic, persistent longterm rape (physical, emotional and psychological rape). If money was not involved in this case, the sentences would have bern lighter. But money or no money, rape is wrong. Perhaps they should have sought a posthumous conviction for what their father did, because he was never charged or tried, it has always been referred to as 'allegations'.
You never know, maybe
I can’t believe how misinformed these people rooting for killers are.
@@SaveManWomanwhere is your information to support otherwise.
If they would’ve been the Menendez SISTERS they would be free today
Absolutely!
Hopefully they get out soon. Now that Roy Rosello from Menudo says that Jose Menéndez raped him too. And both his story and the story Lyle Menéndez have said coincide with each other.
They’re literally murderers and threatened to kill the therapist but they should be free?…
He doesn't know what he's talking about they did not threaten to kill their therapist the therapist girlfriend told the police she overheard the conversation where the brother confessed
@@Wo7dup If they were women nobody would call them murderers for killing their abusers. If a woman was being sexual assaulted by her father growing up and it damaged her so much that she murders him when she grew up, she’d be looked at as a victim and the father deserved it.
Damn. Vlad almost made it sound like molestation is not a big deal. Like he’s done it himself. That entertainment industry is nuts.
yes, I undertand your point but no exscuse for murder-double murder!!!!
There is absolute defense for self defense. Jose and Kitty got exactly what they deserved.
@johnmahland363 in your opinion.
@@johnmahland363 Well if raping children is no excuse then wtf is???
Hes part of illuminati so of course its normal to him
I believe they were molested. You couldn't speak about abuse in the 80s. The victim would be sent to mental institution and told they were lying. So nobody spoke up about it. It was shameful to say anything. Victims were shut down. So where does all that anger go.
Powerful comment there Stephen ! 👍
That’s wild how dismissive you are of the two boys’ molestation. I know male victims aren’t usually taken seriously anyway but that’s just sad.
Welcome to mens world
The guy from Menudo said he also molested by the Menendez father, who was a record executive.
He was also r*ped
indeed so that is a clue that they are likely to have been.
Probably Ricky Martin too, that's why he ended up being bully too.
It’s crazy how desensitized Vlad is to the whole molestation thing 😬 These industry people truly are different.
He is desensitized to everything he’s like a doctor or cop even a robot alll 3 all 1 thing in common no emotion
He is sick
Scumbag , those 2 were raped by a psychopath since they were children
Even the prosecution said it was impossible for a man to rape another man cause “they don’t have the proper equipment “. If that trial would’ve happened today they would’ve looked at it differently.
He’s a diddler too
Love how Michael clearly says he was on the way out when OJ got locked up, then proceeds to talk about spending almost a year with the Menendez brothers. Then Vlad "was that before the OJ case?"
Oh my god.....the thing at the end where Fanzese's kid sees the Menendez brothers on the cover of The National Enquirer and says, "Look Mommy - Daddy's friends!" That killed me, man.
Vlad really doesn’t research his topics!! Neither of the Menendez brothers threatened their therapist! The therapist let his then mistress listen in on his conversations with the brothers without their knowledge. When the therapist started abusing his mistress and threatened her that her life was in danger from what she knew about the confessions she got spooked and went to the police. She then agreed to wear a wire where the therapist was caught on tape discussing the confessions. Because he broke the doctor/patient privilege by letting her listen in on private sessions with the brothers..he was not compelled by that privilege. He then took little convincing to become the star witness for the prosecution.
The therapist then lost his license to practice a few years after as he was having sex with his female patients!
If he just did a little research he would have known that they literally have a movie and TV show about it 😂
Right And also .. the Melendez brothers were never together in prison . They spilt them up .. they didn’t see eachother again for 20 years
@@madigrace4732 So Michael's story is all made up of his being in the hold with the both of them? He did say that they later split them up. Maybe it was after that point that they didn't see each other for 20 years.
@@NJcruiser
Yeah it was after that point
Yeah…lol🙄
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I think his lying . Why don’t he say we’re have he has done time with ? They been in California state prison in sandiego DONOVAN! Michael only done federal prison ? I know
A lot of personal people who have done time with them personally
This interview is SHIT and makes me angry how you laugh about that. Disgusting
@4:57 "Whether he was molested or not I don't think that was a justification for what happened" I can't believe Vlad just said that. Thats some insensitive shit. You cant tell a victim that was was molested and raped , how to react when it comes to their abuser, smh 🤦♂. If my Dad did that shit to me and my mom let it happen, trust me i'm blowing both of their fucking heads off also.
Well it’s true!
Yea Vlad is a fed he can't agree with crimes lol
@@CantTellYou Their pre-planning and their actions and behavior after the murders show that they not only planned out the murders but took numerous steps to cover their tracks so that they wouldn't be caught. If evading justice was never their intent for example, why did they collect all the spent shotgun shells from the scene of the crime before the police arrived? Why did they dispose of the rifles they used somewhere in Mulholland Drive before they made their 911 call to the police? Why did they call 911 and say that someone murdered their parents but left out one crucial detail -- that they were the someone who murdered their parents? Why did they tell detectives that the mafia put a hit on their parents? Most people know why, but these folks, including the brothers, they have dozens of excuses on hand to explain and excuse their actions in the hopes that they can make an argument for having their life sentences overturned on appeal.
And keep in mind that the defense tried to claim imperfect self defense in order to secure manslaughter convictions. You purchase your weapons with someone else's ID, murder your parents by storming into their living room with guns blazing and then claim imperfect self defense, irregardless of whatever "future" threat they believed their parents posed to them. If they believed that their parents posed a threat to them in the future, they should have just gotten up and left, call the police, etc..
Unless the parents were in the commission of threatening their lives or well being in that moment they really have no leg to stand on. That's the central question that should be at the heart of the defense, but instead all the defense offered was innuendo, crocodile tears, and unfound claims that the parents were posing an imminent threat to them at the time they were murdered. Sociopaths are accomplished liars and they can conjure up whatever pent up emotion they need to get what they want. I love how supporters like to pretend that there has never been a sociopath in history who ever cried convincingly in court, or in regular life in general. Just look at a number of youtubers. The tears may be real, but the sincerity is absent.
it was premeditated and took advantage of their inheritance
@@CantTellYou Also, keep in mind that right after the brothers murdered their parents in cold blood, they proceeded to shower effusive praise about their parents to the press and during their funeral services. It wasn't until they were being tried for murder that they began wth character assassinating them. Just something worth pondering over, seeing as how the groupies claim that their behavior after their murders were nothing out of the ordinary. There are reasons why the brothers' activities raised the eyebrow of detectives and it wasn't because the brothers were being singled out and persecuted by the Beverly Hills Police Department.
When he said "entertainment industry", that pretty much proves it.
There are too many friends, relatives, coaches, teachers, etc WHO WITNESSED the abuse and Kitty DID have a hand in it. They were legitimately in fear for their lives. It was sadistic abuse. Jose also abused boy bands
Why didn't all these people report the abuse? I don't believe not 1 of them, including the menendez boys, to say they were being so abused they sure did enjoy spending those millions of dollars with a big Cheshire cat smile on their face.
@@annc6046 Well, never let the truth get in the way of your hate
@nonyabiz550 hate for who? 2 ungrateful liars that killed their parents to gain unbridled access to their parents' wealth. I guess murdering the people that gave you life is alright 👍
No there wasn’t and like he said wether they were molested, does not justified for them to kill their parents.
@@malegi29 There were numerous family, friends, coaches, etc who testified to witnessing not only the physical abuse but sexual abuse. You're not even competent to watch the trial and comprehend what's happening. There was a coach who saw Jose punch Lyle as a child. There were cousins and aunts and uncles who saw Jose take Eric in the bedroom while they were staying there. That old ghoul, Dominic Dunn and Diane Dimond both admitted the SA happened. You must be a pedo to say that's not what Jose deserved
This dude is ridiculously attractive for his age
He looks more attractive now then when he was younger
He looks better now but I think it's because he's had his teeth done and it's changed his face shape a bit.
Ok now i dont feel so weird lol
How old is he ?
This time period is probably the last time Erik & Lyle were ever together 😔
They are together now. Lyle was transferred to Erik's prison it only took 22 years for that to happen tho.
Vlad did you just say that if they were molested killing their molester isn't the right thing to do I bet you wouldn't be saying that if someone you loved was molested
But it isn't the right thing to do, and certainly not going on a lavish shopping spree after. What's that saying about all sins being the same? They could have left and given up the access to a fortune. Money was priority #1 or at the very least a secondary motivation. The abuse likely had become normal to them as they didn't appear remorseful or traumatised until after they got caught. Also, at what point did they even begin to use the abuse angle because like most things in the judicial system; it was an angle they used for sympathy regardless of how true it was or wasn't.
@@tamauroget3950they couldn't leave as their father was well connected and said to them if they did leave, he would hire someone to find them and kill them. Its victim blaming to say oh they should just leave! When you're free from your abusers you don't act perfectly, they spent money as that was normal to them, shopping sprees are a way for some victims to cope. Women have done the same after they have killed their husbands or whatever, it is common. They shown empathy and they have recently as they teach therapy for abuse victims in prison. They've said themselves as their family has said too, money motivation makes no sense.
@@tamauroget3950I think the shopping spree was a way of destroying what he had built he was very boastful about what he had earned but the abuse is never normal they wanted it to end and professionals said they had to mental capacity of a 10 year old I think they thought it was a way out without ever having to see their abuser again
@@tamauroget3950 bro, if you've just killed the devil and got millions as a reward, you'd splash the cash too.
@@hussainmartins5985 I've watched enough movies to know that, when you suddenly gain a ton of cash through nefarious or illegal means, you don't go on shopping sprees. You lay low.
hard to believe they're still locked up when this psycho murderer raised to murder walked out. That's screwed up.
Did had nothing to offer the government
The father who worked at a division of RCA did horrible things not just molest them but horrific sexual acts.
Saying 'its still not an excuse' when most us don't know what its like to be in such a harrowing situation where your protectors are your predators is wildly insensitive. We don't know how we would react after enduring that level of abuse over 10-15 years.
Exactly people shouldn’t judge if they never been in such a painful situation like they were 😣
They weren’t in danger at the time they deleted their parents, therefore, this was not self defense. They were also adults and could’ve gotten jobs and moved out on their own. They could’ve gone to the police or told a counselor or told someone! Their family members are now saying that they knew what was happening. So WHY didn’t they do something to save them from the ALLEGED abuse? No. Zero sympathy for them.
@@lostwoods5687 I'm sure many people must have said this to you somewhere, but here goes.
When you're abused in THAT way from age 6, it significantly affects your judgement and reasoning. it's easy to say "move out and get a job", when you have the luxury of rational thinking, but the brothers didn't. For years they were abused and had their minds twisted, and for years they were denied proper counselling to fix their minds (only got counseling as young adults, just before killing their parents). How were they just meant to suddenly gain the wisdom of the ordinary person after a decade of torment? Soldiers struggle for years to return to civilian mindset after months away on a campaign. Same goes for other PTSD sufferers
Regarding the other family members, remember this was the 80s and José was powerful and rich. In the 80s, you can do what you want to your kids without anyone caring. The family members have also said that they never believed it because the idea of their successful relative raping his kids was too outrageous to believe, no matter how many warning signs there were.
Was parricide wrong? Objectively yes. But if you're father did to you or your brother what José did to his boys, you're definitely gonna consider murdering him and then spending his money in celebration.
We never know what we would become given the same situation. If I was being raped by one parent with the other parents blessing from Kindergarten on I’d be fucked up too. Most people go on to hurt strangers, their own kids, and themselves but these two went to the source. Pick your evil - there wasn’t any help and this was the result.
Don’t you know? Everyone on the internet is perfect and they woulda did this and they woulda did that?
The brother were never raped. Their sob story is obviously fabricated. I can't believe so many people actually bought it.
@@ProLifeAtheistXX come on man, have some remorse, you weren’t there so you don’t know, neither do I, so don’t judge these guys, you would’ve most likely did the same, no matter how perfect you THINK you are
@@Cassius-m5v
1. I'm not a man.
2. I don't think I'm perfect, in fact I know I'm not.
3. Murder is unacceptable and the Menendez brothers deserve to rot in prison.
@@ProLifeAtheistXX you really seriously think you would NEVER under ANY circumstances Murder someone???? Come on bro be honest, you can’t say what you won’t do in a situation you’ve never been in , sorry to break it to you but not everyone gets to live a privileged life well protected 24/7 . Anyone who says “murder is unacceptable they must rot” you’ve GOT TO BE living in a fantasy fairy tale land to think there’s never a situation where you must do what you gotta do to LIVE. Kill or be killed & have a fair chance in trial to get out free and be with your family once again. So you mean to tell me if a man of my size ?? (6’0 200 pounds) if a man of my size were to attempt to r@pe you…. You wouldn’t at least TRY to K!ll him ???? I don’t believe it… sorry
The mother knew what the father was doing. Also the mother was molesting Lyle. While Erik wasn’t being molested he was being R’d all the way thru high school. Learn your facts before making such confident claims.
Wild asf
The abuse excuse
“I was on Death Row.”
Lol. Such a rare statement to hear.
Franceese was never on death row. He cooperated with the federal government in 1989 and was never charged with murder. Why would he be on death row? All lies.
If jails are crowded you might be put in a certain section that you normally would not be in. Does not make him a liar
Love listening to Mike great story teller
And liar
Do I feel bad for their parents? Not even slightly. If the testimony is true, and I do believe it is, they deserved far worse.. may they burn in hell
They are murderers. Convicted.
@@lenaS-n2p Blaming the victims is lame. It's the oldest game in criminal trials.
@@elijahFree2000 I don't see anyone NOT blaming Epstein who was also a child mol*ster lmao. And he could never defend himself cuz he was guilty af. Same with the brothers' father Jose
I dont believe nothing those brothers said , other than yes they killed them. They were money hungry period. They hated there parents.
Vlad doesn't think child molestation justifies murder. Well, I do. I think a lot of people do.
Rosie O’Donnell says it’s time to release them. I refused to watch the video or read the article, but that’s what the headline said. She’s gotten rather close with one of the brothers
but what is your view om the case ?
These interviews are amazing! I could listen to Michael all day long!!
His body language tells me he didnt believe them when they said they didnt do it
He said they have child Ms but y’all showing sb who killed their parents in cold blood mercy wow
He is so handsome oh my gosh!
They are both on the same yard together now. I believe they are at Donavan.
They’re in a prison in San Diego. And I think it’s a medium security prison. They get phone calls whenever and don’t use prison uniforms .
They do a lot of good work within the prison too x
5:08
I don’t know about that. We’re talking about molestation which is a major violation.
So what does that tell you .
I always thought if you confessed to a murder that Dr. patient confidentiality was out the door I guess not. Obviously threatening to kill the therapist you're done.
They didn’t threaten the therapist. The therapist told his girlfriend all about it. Then when they broke up she went to the cops and that’s when they opened up the investigation again.
@@dariog36th I never knew that,what a crazy situation altogether. I thought Michael said something about threatening to kill the therapist.
The therapist, Dr Oziel, made up that Lyle threatened him.@@Pops1811
Very unfair assessment though Val of the boys. Very inappropriate not to vehemently condemn child abusers. If you were informed on what happened to the boys you would feel ashamed for what you’re saying. Multiple other people and family have confirmed that they were abused and Jose abused other people as well. Everyone can’t be lying. I hope you or one of your loved ones never has to experience that to understand why they did what they did. Not only was it incest but child s.a. That started for one of the brothers when they were 6 years old. Horrific. Not a laughing matter.
My Lord Michael Framzese is freaking gorgeous 🤣😂
Lyle Menendez is if Sam Harris and Ben Stiller had a baby.
What about the time Franzese was on the Titanic moments before it sank 😅
I truly believe the brothers were belittled and molested. When being interviewed it’s like they are right back there in time and it affects them still. Pops was a sick puppy and ma turned her head. Criminey I feel bad for them!
Good to see that not everybody sees this killers as saints and victims
well they are victims, this case did help teach me that male could be victims too, didn't even know that before.
Great interview!
Michael keeps getting more and more interesting....🤔
I feel really bad for the two brothers they have gon through hell ever since they were born I don’t know if the parents plan on making kids for them to enjoy putting their pain on to their own kids if that was the plan I’m just thinking this might be their way of putting their stress out and it’s really disturbing and very horrifying
X-Raided was locked up with tha brothers too..
Yeah and Lyle helped with his case to get out early.
Every now and then Vlad will say something i didn't know
I felt Erick was the victim of a lot of manipulation. He wasn’t a sociopath or psychopath since he was the one who had the conscience to speak on it.
Calling spending the dead parents money "just not smart" shows you how this dude really thinks
The man the legend. Mikey is one cool mutha
This the interviews we want. Not these goofy as rappers that all faded all interview
Its what you want. Dont speak for everybody.
@@michaelgundersen2982 you speak for yourself not everyone.
Contradicted yourself there a bit goofy
@@yodaddy9362 Go away.
@@369pendulum go make me a sambich 🥪
After they killed there parents they apparently went on a shopping spree bought houses and lofts in NY and other places but in 1991 I believe not sure the brothers bought court side seats to the Knicks at Madison square garden, if you look up I believe John starks there they are front row... Crazy bet that card is worth something or nothing but it's real. Edit: it's Mark Jackson not John starks
It actually is worth money because they are on it
They had always spent alot of money! The parents gave them money to keep up appearances throughout their entire lives. Also their parents family members were executors of the will, money etc every purchase had to be agreed
Mark Geragos is working to get them freed right now. He thinks he has a case that they’ve served enough time and aren’t a danger to society.
They have like a 5% chance.
Lyle Menendez Helped The Homie X-Raided Get Out Of Prison
I always love Vlad’s laugh.
all I can say is good riddance, Menendez brothers. no child deserves any abuse from their parents.
That’s kind of crazy that the brothers got to stay together
They didn't
I absolutely love listening to Michael Franzese talk
Crazy
I disagree with Vlad. If your parents are molesting you then you're definitely justified in killing them. I'm not saying that's what happened to the Mendez brothers though.
@@CantTellYou they failed to convict them the first time. Half the jury did not believe it was 1st degree murder. It took another trial where the judge did not allow any of the evidence that they were molested in their defense.
@@dariog36th still murder
@@mike04574 it would’ve been manslaughter. That’s what half the jury agreed on.
@@dariog36thManslaughter is when you don’t have the intention to kill somebody but you accidentally do such as self defense which is the reason they used, however the defense proved that they planned ahead (premeditated) by buying the guns a week before the murders, using another person’s identity and they ambushed their parents while they were sitting on the couch watching Tv (no self defense).
@@malegi29 well in the 1st trial half the jury agreed it was manslaughter.
So uncle junior was right to be paranoid about Tony's shrink as he was venting to Mikey Palmice in golf club locker room..." Remember those 2 who killed their parents...the shrink was in the fuckin witness chair"
They were raped since they were 6 yrs old I would have done the same thing too
That is crazy trauma to live with
4:57 wether he was molested or not that’s not justification 😂 what is justification for that vlad what do you think is proper punishment for that type of shit
I’m sure any of the rappers Vlad interviews would agree, if you molest me I’m killing you.
I worked in a jail with a guy who 💀 his parents, came home, got the parents and his brother. Interesting character that guy was
His name?
Question if your parents are clearly trying to kill you off because you threaten to tell the police what they’ve been doing to you for so many years what would you do?
Wow this is so gross. These kids WERE raped by the father and the mother knew. Those parents deserved just what they got and the kids certainly do NOT deserve to be in prison for this long. The two of you sound just terrible talking like this about that situation. You sound clueless and detached from reality.
Prove it
It's insensitive how ignorant people can be about this case after all these years and get facts wrong. The OJ trial didn't happen before the Menendez case, it happened after it. And that impacted tremendously on the rulings and defense. The issue with the mother, spending spree all of it are common questions that are answered again and again.
It's funny how you'll be more okay and open with interviewing and laughing with a mob boss than believing these boys who were violently abused throughout their lives.
The truth is that it's already in your heart. And if I said they are innocent and God knows that they are innocent, you will not believe them. And if I said they are liars but they are not liars, you will believe me. And so I'm not gonna say a word like Leslie did other than have patience.
The jury convicted them. They are murderers. They are liars.
You was there right lol..
This comment section can’t be real
My thoughts exactly
michael is so great guy!
Threatening the therapist wasn't what broke the Dr patient contract. Admitting to murder did that.
One of the brothers had confessed to the murders months before the therapist mistress finally told the police that is the only reason they got caught because the mistress was mad that you wouldn't leave his wife for her
Wasn't the father the rapist?
His brother threatened the therapist
Yep, but they were gentle and harmless fellas.
There was no actual proof that the therapist was threatened. He said he felt threatened yet kept visiting with the brothers, never called the police to report what happened, and was actually recorded laughing about the whole situation and using it to threaten his wife and mistress. He wanted his mistress to disguise her voice as Erik’s to threaten his own wife. And he was joking about this. I honestly don’t believe he was threatened.
Once is too much with that kind of abuse.
Dats wild 👀
Why would they keep the brothers together in prison? That shit ain't summer camp...
Hard to pay attention when the drum set is not set up good in background
DAMN MIKE WAS IN PC IN LA COUNTY JAIL IS WHAT I HEAR BECAUSE OJ & THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS WERE IN PROTECTED CUSTODY.
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I heard family killers in general have it tough. I heard about a case where a teenage son killed his parents for the life insurance and he got beat down his first day on the yard and had to pc up.
Vlad you are misinformed regarding the mistress informant. Also Erik was being R’d by Jose all the way thru high school. These boys suffered severely at the hands of their father.
Was he locked up with the Rapper X Raided? He was locked up with the Menendez Bros.
He was on death row lol thats PC ain't no death row in the county
Michael Franzenes looks like Ra’s Al Ghul .
LMFAOOOOO YOOO
How are you gonna ask a question when you clearly don’t even know enough about the topic? 🤣 That’s not what happened at all
A person goes to the psychologist/therapist because suffers from the trauma of being molested for years. He trusts the therapist with all the details. How come and everybody is accepting the information that they killed the parents and do not accept as truth the information that they have being molested. Both were given to the therapist by Erik.
I'm only here for the drum kit.
I was in there with the ninja killers. Vlad: Wait.. what?
Got a good laugh at the end there! xD
Thank you Swety for the Audio. 🐄 🐖 🐇
You did not pronounce Tony soprano right
talking to a former mafia dude about justification of murder or not is insane😂
Wasn't TK Locked Up With Them 2pac & Rick James Also.
Yes he was, according to TK
That’s a lie ? They serving in cdcr. They never did fed time
DJGlad Flashback coming soon
So that's what Junior Soprano was talking about when he found out Tony was seeing a psychiatrist
Great example of listening more and talking less.
Make sure you start doing your research before posting about a situation you clearly know nothing about.
The menendez brothers were being abused by the parents .
Judalon Smythe tattled to the authorities, that’s how the police found out about Eric Menendez as the killer
if it was the menandaz sisters, it would be a wholeeeeeee diiiiiiffffereeeeent story.
How can you make a video about the case if you only know the headlights in the new?the explained on the stand why they killed their mother too. She abused them just as bad as the father